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Speaker 1: and Bill Jones. I ain't messing around. That's it. That's it,
Speaker 1: and we're not messing around here on Talking Cowboys. It
Speaker 1: is gameboy, it is Giants Week, and might this be
Speaker 1: not D Day but E Day? Here Star in Frisco,
Speaker 1: Bill Jones, Mickey Spagnola, Rob Phillips, Brian brought us and
Speaker 1: here we are. It's the two nineteen regular season. And
Speaker 1: that was Jerry Jones on the flagship station one O
Speaker 1: five three the Fan this morning. Mickey, he's not messing around, No,
Speaker 1: he's not. And they read him this long winding tweet
Speaker 1: from a fan and they were saying, this is kind
Speaker 1: of representative of what everybody's thinking out there, that this
Speaker 1: is a really good Cowboys team. You got an easy
Speaker 1: schedule to start the season. We need everybody there, So
Speaker 1: Jerry needs to quit messing around and get Zeke signed.
Speaker 1: So is this day? Yeah, that was saved up, didn't you.
Speaker 1: I just thought of it. I mean, look, I'll believe
Speaker 1: it when I see it. But based on the latest reports,
Speaker 1: they're trying to push to get this done. He's flying
Speaker 1: back reportedly from Cabo to be present in case they
Speaker 1: get it done. And I think we had a mail
Speaker 1: back question this morning Brian about how much time would
Speaker 1: he need to be able to play. Well, they got
Speaker 1: one padded practice tomorrow and he hasn't practiced since minicamp
Speaker 1: in mid June. It'd be, you know, it'd be great
Speaker 1: if you could get him in here and have him
Speaker 1: do that and try to get him ready for the Giants.
Speaker 1: It's asking a lot for him to have to sign
Speaker 1: and play, Yeah, I really do, you know, And just
Speaker 1: studying the Giants a little bit the last couple of days,
Speaker 1: they should be able to beat the Giants. They should.
Speaker 1: The Giants don't match up as well with them as
Speaker 1: some other teams down the road that we'll see. But
Speaker 1: if they can get him signed, get him going, and
Speaker 1: then find a way to get him ready again, I
Speaker 1: just think that this week would be difficult. But knowing him,
Speaker 1: he'll probably try and play if he gets in. But
Speaker 1: I think week two would be more realistic if that
Speaker 1: was me. I think that though, is the fear that
Speaker 1: that Twitter had that led to what Jerry said at
Speaker 1: the beginning is as much as on paper it looks
Speaker 1: like the Cowboys have the better team than the Giants.
Speaker 1: Fans out there are fearful, or at least that tweeter
Speaker 1: is fearful that you need to put your best foot
Speaker 1: forward and don't mess around. Well, you're better not be
Speaker 1: messing around, because you know what, I bet somebody in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three thought, without em and Smith here, they
Speaker 1: had an easy opener with the Washington Redskins, and then
Speaker 1: they go and give up thirty five points and to
Speaker 1: a team that only ended up winning four games that year.
Speaker 1: So I don't subscribe to any theory about this is
Speaker 1: an easy one. We can hold people out, especially how
Speaker 1: long you guys have been covering this team. How much
Speaker 1: of a crapshoot Division games are. Now, that's what you
Speaker 1: start off with the season, two straight division games. I
Speaker 1: don't expect him to go out there and play forty snaps.
Speaker 1: But if he gets into practice tomorrow, and I doubt
Speaker 1: they put him in pads anyway, they're going to ease
Speaker 1: him back in, but by Sunday afternoon, maybe he gets
Speaker 1: twenty snaps. Maybe you put him out there and give
Speaker 1: the Giants something else to think about if he gets
Speaker 1: signed in time. But that's another story. It's interesting because
Speaker 1: we've seen him play on little to no practice time,
Speaker 1: you know, like his rookie year, he missed most of preseason.
Speaker 1: He got but he got a little bit of work.
Speaker 1: In twenty seventeen, he was wondering week to week whether
Speaker 1: he's going to play or not. But he had some background.
Speaker 1: He went to camp, you know, he was in pad something.
Speaker 1: Sure is this is unprecedented for him as much as
Speaker 1: we think he's a professional in terms of getting himself
Speaker 1: ready's body ready to play, I'm with you. I mean
Speaker 1: it's you don't want to risk risk him getting out
Speaker 1: there having no football activity and then something happened where
Speaker 1: he gets hurt, you know, and they will be Well.
Speaker 1: That's why I think tomorrow's the deadline. Yeah, if he
Speaker 1: doesn't get here tomorrow, then I'm not playing him. Like
Speaker 1: if he signs on Friday or Saturday. This isn't like
Speaker 1: Michael Irvin signing on what was it, Thursday before the
Speaker 1: Monday night season opener, and then he went out and played. Sure.
Speaker 1: Do you think Zeke feels like this is the deadline now?
Speaker 1: His deadline's three o'clock Saturday. Why explain that one? Because
Speaker 1: if he's not signed by them, he doesn't get paid
Speaker 1: for the week. Yeah, if he gets if he signs
Speaker 1: at two o'clock, he gets his game check. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think this is I think this is more about Ezekiel
Speaker 1: at now realizing that, you know, the Joneses are going
Speaker 1: to dig in and they haven't dug in like the
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Chargers have. At least they're talking to Zeke.
Speaker 1: At least they're talking about trying to create some type
Speaker 1: of new deal for him. You know, at least they're
Speaker 1: having dialogue. I don't see the Chargers at all. But
Speaker 1: I think it's also to me about more about Zeke.
Speaker 1: Sam Listen, I've it's all right, it's time for me
Speaker 1: to start playing football. You know, I've got to figure
Speaker 1: out how is it under the current situation it is
Speaker 1: under a new deal. I think that I think there's
Speaker 1: a sense of urgency now with his side. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: the Joneses have pretty much said, Okay, this is what
Speaker 1: we'll try and do, We'll try and work with you.
Speaker 1: We've said it all along. You know, we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about Lyle Collins here in a little bit, and
Speaker 1: we've kind of always said the doors open. The cap
Speaker 1: guys said this, that door is open. If you're willing
Speaker 1: to deal with us, we'll deal with you. And we've
Speaker 1: seen that now the last couple of the deals that
Speaker 1: they've done, there hasn't been a pecking order. No, it's
Speaker 1: just you know, I mean, I mean the whole thing
Speaker 1: with Lyle Collins, it's you know, Lyle Collins basically left,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, left about five million dollars a year
Speaker 1: on the on the you know, on the table if
Speaker 1: you look at where where his floor could have been
Speaker 1: for where if he'd got to free agency. You know,
Speaker 1: if this thing turns into where it's say it's a
Speaker 1: ten million dollars year thing, the Cowboys got a heck
Speaker 1: of a deal if that's but we'll see, we'll see
Speaker 1: what the number is. But Lyle Collins is a fifteen
Speaker 1: million dollar year tackle in my opinion, he really is.
Speaker 1: And so if if he came in and said, all right,
Speaker 1: this is what I'm gonna do, is I'm gonna sign
Speaker 1: I'm happy about being here. Then good for him, Good
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. They've got a deal done, and I
Speaker 1: think that's kind of where they're at right now. See.
Speaker 1: I think what everybody needs to remember on this whole
Speaker 1: deal is the Cowboys want to do this deal with Zeke. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: they want to do it. They don't have to do it. No,
Speaker 1: they could wait three more years if they wanted to.
Speaker 1: So it was kind of their idea to get this
Speaker 1: done ahead of time. So the hold up is obviously
Speaker 1: what the other side's asking for. They don't. They don't
Speaker 1: they don't want to make them sit. The Chargers now,
Speaker 1: I think want to make Melvin Gordon site. It doesn't
Speaker 1: sound like they have any interests in signing them, so
Speaker 1: it's time to It's time to get in. And the
Speaker 1: other thing is, if you remember last year, when you
Speaker 1: know when guys hold out, Earl Thomas held out the
Speaker 1: same way Zeke did, and on Wednesday of the season opener,
Speaker 1: he showed up without a new deal, by the way,
Speaker 1: because he was going to lose five hundred thousand dollars,
Speaker 1: and he saved face by saying, I am invested in
Speaker 1: my teammates. I didn't want to leave my teammates down,
Speaker 1: and he came in hat in hand and played the
Speaker 1: season out. So it's time. There are some I'm checking
Speaker 1: Twitter myself, and there are there's some chatter out there
Speaker 1: that they could be close on a deal. I'll just
Speaker 1: put it that way. We've heard that a lot lately.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't think there's any question there's been
Speaker 1: progressed in the last few days to try to get this. Nicky,
Speaker 1: you're kind of our resident cap guy, and I'm not
Speaker 1: asking for a number, I'm asking you. Do you feel
Speaker 1: like it was the difference between the way the contract
Speaker 1: was structured that maybe they were looking for more upfront
Speaker 1: money and the Cowboys are trying to backload this a
Speaker 1: little bit more. Do you think that's kind of what
Speaker 1: the hold up is on this? Not necessarily, because what
Speaker 1: teams have been doing lately with the signing bonus is
Speaker 1: the signing bonus has been smaller, and they've been giving
Speaker 1: roster bonuses that have been guaranteed, right, and so to
Speaker 1: help with the guarantee money that doesn't affect the base salaries. Basically,
Speaker 1: what they're doing is saying we're gonna have these guarantees
Speaker 1: over so many years. Like a lot of these contracts,
Speaker 1: the guarantees have been three or four years, not five
Speaker 1: or six, right, And so some of the guaranteed came
Speaker 1: in roster bonuses that were guaranteed the first the second year,
Speaker 1: and then the third and fourth years. They were guaranteed
Speaker 1: three days into the first league year. So they've been
Speaker 1: kind of messing that around so they can keep the
Speaker 1: base salaries a little bit more reasonable, because what they
Speaker 1: want to do is they don't want that pro ration
Speaker 1: hitting big at the end of the contract. They would
Speaker 1: rather big salaries at the end of the contract. If
Speaker 1: this if okay, then if my next question to the
Speaker 1: panel then or to you, Mickey, then since you do
Speaker 1: understand this and you have a good handle on this
Speaker 1: with the fact that his off the field stuff, would
Speaker 1: you rather have a frontloaded contract with him or a
Speaker 1: backloaded contract? I would rather have frontloaded. But see, you
Speaker 1: have to be careful with the base salaries because they
Speaker 1: can only increase fifteen percent percent rule, right, is that
Speaker 1: we're thteen percent each year. You can increase the did
Speaker 1: I say fifteen or thirty? Now you said I just
Speaker 1: said thirty. I thought it was fifteen percent. That could
Speaker 1: only increase the base salaries that much per year, So
Speaker 1: you got to be careful and where you start that
Speaker 1: base salary. And again, his if it's a five year deal,
Speaker 1: it's probably going to be a seven year deal, because
Speaker 1: he's got two years left on the contract sure worth
Speaker 1: what like twelve thirteen million. So they'll they'll throw him
Speaker 1: some signing bonus for this year and they'll reduce his
Speaker 1: base salary and then he'll get And that's the way
Speaker 1: they did. What was the other contract they kept the
Speaker 1: smith the fifth year deal, the fifth year that they
Speaker 1: picked up, they kept that the same. Okay, So that's
Speaker 1: the way they've been doing these contracts. Now. The difference
Speaker 1: and the thing with Leale Collins is, you know, he
Speaker 1: had a six point five six point five two million
Speaker 1: base salary this year with a two point five million
Speaker 1: dollars escalator. So by signing him to a long term
Speaker 1: deal and giving him whatever the signing bonus was and
Speaker 1: pro rating that over the length of the contract, they
Speaker 1: reduced his supposedly reduced his cap hit for this year
Speaker 1: by five point seven million dollars, which means there's more
Speaker 1: money in there. And that's one of the things we
Speaker 1: talked about trying to get a Mari's deal done at
Speaker 1: some point is if you could, then that would lower
Speaker 1: his base outelyificantly for twenty nine. Seeing the difference is
Speaker 1: would dak it's going to increase it because he's only
Speaker 1: countant right now point one two million against the cabin.
Speaker 1: I'll go ahead and say what's being reported by Pro
Speaker 1: Football Talk out there. It's unconfirmed getting initial chatter of
Speaker 1: a Zeke deal being done six years, ninety million dollar extension,
Speaker 1: extension extension? Who reported that Pro Football Talk? So now
Speaker 1: it's gone to seven. It was seven before, now it's
Speaker 1: eight because it's six years through twenty twenty rest of
Speaker 1: his career, right yew And again the reason I asked
Speaker 1: that I was trying to think of because of his
Speaker 1: off the field stuff or the things that you've had
Speaker 1: to deal with. If you gave him the money later,
Speaker 1: could you get out of a deal if you gave
Speaker 1: him the money now have less to Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Right if you tried to, if you tried
Speaker 1: to backload this deal on him and he doesn't, you know,
Speaker 1: you need a reason if to get out. That's why
Speaker 1: we think because to your point, like we've seen deals
Speaker 1: around the league and Cowboys in the past, where yeah,
Speaker 1: it looks he's got an usual off the field problem.
Speaker 1: It looks like a lot of years, but really when
Speaker 1: you look at the structure of it, maybe it's a
Speaker 1: three year deal. So he's just got to see where
Speaker 1: the guarantees run out. Because you're probably right because the
Speaker 1: last couple of years you can put a balloon amount
Speaker 1: they should never get to, or if you get there,
Speaker 1: you're going to restructure it. Jerry was asked, is the
Speaker 1: off the field stuff a concern in these negotiations recently
Speaker 1: and he said, no, but it is something that he's
Speaker 1: had in the past, and I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: that's one question I have and they've been tight lipped
Speaker 1: on this, but like, has that been part of the
Speaker 1: negotiation where that, you know, maybe he'd that it's an
Speaker 1: issue for him like I'm I'm not I don't need
Speaker 1: protect I don't need you to protect yourself against me,
Speaker 1: you know, and potential issues down the road. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: adds another layer to these. You know, he's he's unusual
Speaker 1: in that regard because he does have run ins, you know,
Speaker 1: with the Commissioner's office, whether it's his fault or not.
Speaker 1: But you know, but you don't get If you do,
Speaker 1: you don't get paid, So it really he's a moot point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I was just thinking about if they had to
Speaker 1: get out of the deal. That's what I was thinking of, Like,
Speaker 1: just get out completely, get out deal completely, if something
Speaker 1: were to happen. And you know, again, I'm not again
Speaker 1: everybody out there has probably accused me right now of
Speaker 1: not liking Seeks. That's not the case. I've been one
Speaker 1: of the few guys that say to pay the man.
Speaker 1: But I also understand though that the team's thought about, Okay,
Speaker 1: if something does happen, you do not want to owe
Speaker 1: a bunch of money on the cap cap money thing is.
Speaker 1: You know, Mickey will come on and tell well, he's
Speaker 1: a thirteen million dollar cap hit. It's kind of like Taco,
Speaker 1: you know, when we were talking about talking about releasing Taco.
Speaker 1: Mickey's telling you in right, so he's guaranteed three and
Speaker 1: a half million dollars. That don't tell me that doesn't
Speaker 1: play into what's going on. He's absolutely right, And so
Speaker 1: are you in a situation with Zeke. If something happens,
Speaker 1: can you structure to get out of it? If it
Speaker 1: in fact, that does happen. That's only if as a protection,
Speaker 1: as I'm saying right now, So anyway, it looks like it.
Speaker 1: And in fact, the fact that Jerry on the radio
Speaker 1: this morning set he was hopeful, that was a very
Speaker 1: positive sign. Yeah, And I've been saying Tuesday, the week
Speaker 1: of the first game, So here we are. I think
Speaker 1: people were saying that July twenty fifth, when the team
Speaker 1: arrived for training camp. The deadline on this thing is
Speaker 1: because three o'clock on Tuesday, Do I get an extension
Speaker 1: to September three? Yes? Rob, No, because it's real now.
Speaker 1: They're getting back to practice, they're in pads tomorrow, and
Speaker 1: the Giants are staring him right in the face. And
Speaker 1: the other thing on Bill's point about three o'clock, because
Speaker 1: they'll have to make room on the fifty three, right,
Speaker 1: somebody's got to go. And if the person's on the
Speaker 1: fifty three after three o'clock on Tuesday, he gets paid
Speaker 1: for this week regardless if he's here, if he doesn't play,
Speaker 1: he gets paid his weekly salary. So you might say, well,
Speaker 1: that's only thirty forty thousand, but every dollar counts against
Speaker 1: this salary cap. It makes a difference. So we're sitting
Speaker 1: here checking Twitter. There any minute bill, but there's a
Speaker 1: there are players on the team also checking Twitter until
Speaker 1: three o'clock this afternoon, especially if you're expendable exactly. That's
Speaker 1: what That's what I mean. All right, we're going to
Speaker 1: should we take a break and come back with the
Speaker 1: LC get deeper into the l Stow thing. Let's do that.
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Speaker 1: what a big week. This is a game week. We're
Speaker 1: going to get into these New York football giants as
Speaker 1: the week goes on. But it's getting some business taken
Speaker 1: care of today. That has been the hot topic around
Speaker 1: these parts. And of course we await news on Ezekiel
Speaker 1: Elliott perhaps being well. He's on his way back here
Speaker 1: according to reports, and we'll see what happens later today
Speaker 1: as far as him perhaps getting signed and then being
Speaker 1: out on the practice field tomorrow as the Cowboys will
Speaker 1: have there. They worked out yesterday. But the game week
Speaker 1: officially begins on Wednesday. For any team playing on a
Speaker 1: Sunday in the league. We're now, you know, in Chicago
Speaker 1: and Green Bay, it's Friday, they're playing. They're playing on
Speaker 1: Thursday night. That's try this one hundredth season of National
Speaker 1: Football League action gets underway as they honor the one
Speaker 1: hundredth year. All right, let's honor else a little bit.
Speaker 1: I've said it's E Day. Well, let's started out as
Speaker 1: ELC Day. As well, and Lyle Collins. He has posted
Speaker 1: on Instagram a picture of him signing his contract and
Speaker 1: saying that he is a cowboy, fertile and good for him. Yes,
Speaker 1: and I think he's very smart on his part too myself,
Speaker 1: if he wants to be a cowboy for life. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's funny how round draft time we were saying, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know if we could, they could get him
Speaker 1: resigned next year when he's set to be an understricted
Speaker 1: free agent, and Connor McGovern wasn't drafted solely for that purpose.
Speaker 1: But then you're thinking, oh, maybe he's a guy could
Speaker 1: move into guard. You kick Connor Williams out at right
Speaker 1: tackle next year. Well, Nole Collins is your is your
Speaker 1: right tackle for the foreseeable future here? Yeahle Collins is
Speaker 1: developing into a top flight tackle. If you if you
Speaker 1: ask me about the way he's playing, the toughness he
Speaker 1: you know, you talk about just the guys that on
Speaker 1: that offensive line, him Frederick Martin Smith. I mean that's
Speaker 1: a that's a one of the better lines in the league.
Speaker 1: And to have him as at right tackle as he
Speaker 1: continues to improve, and you know, he did the right
Speaker 1: thing as you guys were saying, he wants to be here.
Speaker 1: He made a deal. He went in there and told
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, hey, I'm willing to listen to what you
Speaker 1: have to offer, and here's what i'd like, you know,
Speaker 1: and these guy guys are smart, they'll make these things work,
Speaker 1: and they did with him. And you know, I'm one
Speaker 1: of these guys that believed if you took this year
Speaker 1: and then watch Lyle Collins hit free agency, he would
Speaker 1: have got paid very handsomely. And the fact that he
Speaker 1: took a deal that was friendly he believed to himself
Speaker 1: and to the football team. Credit to both of them
Speaker 1: forgetting that done. And it's good that he's part of
Speaker 1: this because I believe he will continue to develop into
Speaker 1: again a top flight right tackle. And he get his
Speaker 1: money early. That means something. Plus you've got now you've
Speaker 1: got some security too at that position. That's why I
Speaker 1: thought everybody was wasting a lot of words and breath
Speaker 1: on this, overthinking the draft choice of McGovern, who kind
Speaker 1: of fell in the Cowboys lap. That wasn't their idea
Speaker 1: and it certainly won their idea to move to Connor
Speaker 1: Williams to right tackle and let this guy walk and
Speaker 1: obviously not since they signed him, well, I didn't go
Speaker 1: to a five year extension and worth reportedly fifty million
Speaker 1: with thirty five million guaranteed. Obviously you want to keep him,
Speaker 1: and they are keeping him. But if he were to
Speaker 1: get to the open market next year, you don't know
Speaker 1: what he could command and whether they could afford it.
Speaker 1: So if it worked out a right year, yeah he was,
Speaker 1: they were probably gonna have to let him go. But again,
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything I seen early you convince
Speaker 1: him to stay. Yeah, And Brian said it that he
Speaker 1: came to them and said I want to be here.
Speaker 1: And you know what, it kind of reminds me of
Speaker 1: the Jalen thing because Jalen talked about how they took
Speaker 1: a chance on me injured. Well, the Cowboys signed Lyle
Speaker 1: Collins and some of the most unprecedented circumstances undrafted a
Speaker 1: first round talent, and I believe two years ago they
Speaker 1: rewarded him with a two year extension, got back some
Speaker 1: of the money he lost so much money not getting drafted.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure he feels loyal to this team for
Speaker 1: what they did there. And you know, he talked to
Speaker 1: the media yesterday a little bit he talked to us.
Speaker 1: Not he didn't break any news on this, but he said,
Speaker 1: you know, the coaching I've gotten here, starting with Frank
Speaker 1: Pollard to Mark Lumbo, he just he thinks it's really
Speaker 1: helped him progress as a player, and he clearly wants
Speaker 1: to be part of this organization. I think these guys
Speaker 1: jail and they see the youth and the talent on
Speaker 1: this team, and they see something special that could be
Speaker 1: brewing here, and they want to say. I just think
Speaker 1: they see money. Now, money now means something. Would you
Speaker 1: want to resign on a bad team just to get money?
Speaker 1: You know? Yeah? Now I don't. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think I think that's the arrow pointing up for this organization.
Speaker 1: Is another reason for these guys to want to buy
Speaker 1: in long But you would hope so, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: you could. He could very well have said I'll just
Speaker 1: play this out if people are on a bad team
Speaker 1: and say I'll get as much money as I can
Speaker 1: next year. Would it would be interested to see his
Speaker 1: thirty five million reported guaranteed on what's that? How many
Speaker 1: years that spread out over? Because the deal with clotting
Speaker 1: this year would be six, So it'll be interested and
Speaker 1: see how that's spring you think Amari Cooper wants his money.
Speaker 1: He was asked he was asked the status of his
Speaker 1: nosing because you know what, he knows he's gonna make
Speaker 1: fourteen million this year thirteen nine. Right, But so the
Speaker 1: incentive would be, what's my signing bonus? Sure is my
Speaker 1: signing bonus is going to be fourteen million, And I
Speaker 1: get it right now. I don't have to wait till
Speaker 1: December till you know. Only thing about Lyle is that
Speaker 1: is he's from this part of the country, okay, And
Speaker 1: so from that standpoint, a family standpoint, he wants to
Speaker 1: be in this part of the country. Okay. The other
Speaker 1: thing is where I give him a lot of credit,
Speaker 1: is him understanding what he is. Yes, okay, he is
Speaker 1: a right tackle. In this league, the left tackles get
Speaker 1: the humongous contracts. Okay. Now he could play it out
Speaker 1: and see what the market is out there for maybe
Speaker 1: and some team might give him a shot to play
Speaker 1: left tackle and pay him left tackle money because he
Speaker 1: did it a lot in college, right, Right. But but
Speaker 1: I think he looks at himself, he understands it. He
Speaker 1: sees that I'm playing for the Dallas Cowboys and the
Speaker 1: opportunities that represents, much like with Jalen Smith on a
Speaker 1: very good Cowboys team, what that could mean in terms
Speaker 1: of more money coming in whatever, and just having that
Speaker 1: stability in his life that okay, I know, I am here, okay,
Speaker 1: and I think I think there's there's value in that.
Speaker 1: And I give him credit for making a mature decision
Speaker 1: when once they came to these terms on it, you know,
Speaker 1: and I bet he still is somewhat grateful that after
Speaker 1: what happened when he was a rookie and the Cowboys
Speaker 1: couldn't redo his contract till after two years, and they
Speaker 1: didn't have to do it because it was a three
Speaker 1: year deal, but Jerry did what he thought was the
Speaker 1: right thing, and they redid the deal after two years
Speaker 1: and gave him a two year extension on what he
Speaker 1: didn't make that first two the total opposite of the
Speaker 1: running back, right, if you look at should be grateful,
Speaker 1: well the deal the thing I was gonna Cooper. I mean,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. If if if again and people
Speaker 1: out there think I'm bashion Zeke, I'm not bashion Zeke.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, though, if if you talk about players
Speaker 1: that should be grateful for opportunity, should be grateful for
Speaker 1: you know, for what they've done for guys having your back.
Speaker 1: This this running back really wasn't very grateful. Now he's
Speaker 1: he's you know, he is what he is because he's
Speaker 1: a he's an elite player, don't get me wrong. But
Speaker 1: if there's anybody that should be appreciate what this owner
Speaker 1: tried to do for him, it's this guy. And I
Speaker 1: don't think he has I really don't, or the agent
Speaker 1: has it yep, or he doesn't, hasn't told the agent,
Speaker 1: hey let's do this. Yeah, and he should and maybe
Speaker 1: he has yeah. Yeah. I think I think this could
Speaker 1: have been I think this deal with with Zeke could
Speaker 1: have been done if Zeke would have reported. I really do.
Speaker 1: I think that they could have worked this out with
Speaker 1: him playing, practicing being part of all this. I think
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones Jerry Jones are reasonable in that way. You know,
Speaker 1: he's like, hey listen, this is where I'm Matt, can
Speaker 1: you help me here? You know, because Jerry Stephen did,
Speaker 1: they did have his back when you know, I said
Speaker 1: it earlier. I don't know what I said on this show.
Speaker 1: I said on one of these radio shows I was
Speaker 1: on that. You know, you look at Jerry Jones went
Speaker 1: after the commissioner on behalf of Ezekiel Elliott. Think about that,
Speaker 1: he's trying to take down the commissioner of the National
Speaker 1: Football League. That was a that was a bizarre season
Speaker 1: and bizarre stretch of weeks. Like I said earlier, we're
Speaker 1: like he didn't know whether he was eligible to play
Speaker 1: up until Friday, and then he'd played, you know, and yeah,
Speaker 1: and they had his back the whole way. A lot
Speaker 1: of its business Brian, as you know, he's twenty four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's looking at it probably and saying, if I have
Speaker 1: another two years on my deal and play those out,
Speaker 1: that's another five hundred, six hundred carries on my tread
Speaker 1: on the tires, and I'm older and I want to
Speaker 1: cash in while I'm at the top of the when
Speaker 1: the Cowboys wanted him to cash in. I'm not saying that.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying what he probably is thinking business wise.
Speaker 1: I understand, I understand, you know, and look, it looks
Speaker 1: like eventually they'll get there. But it would have been
Speaker 1: nice to Brian's point to have him in camp and
Speaker 1: have him We're not discussing how much time he needs
Speaker 1: to be able to play in a game, they'd have
Speaker 1: got this done. I would like to know how how
Speaker 1: far apart they were in the negotiations, because I had
Speaker 1: a giggle that I didn't get to use on the
Speaker 1: pregame show when we had Michael Irvin on, and I
Speaker 1: went back and looked when he held out all of
Speaker 1: training camp and signed the Thursday before the Monday night opener,
Speaker 1: and it came down to they were one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars a partner. And really, when you look
Speaker 1: at it, if it turns out that these unconfirmed reports
Speaker 1: of six year, ninety million dollar extension, it is right.
Speaker 1: It right where anyone could have seen it was going
Speaker 1: to wind up. Yeah, you know that generally is yeah.
Speaker 1: Is it just the path that we took to get
Speaker 1: there wasn't the ideal path, especially if you know, and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys love Ezekie Elliott and they do, they really do.
Speaker 1: I mean, but they also were in a tough spot
Speaker 1: because of drafting so well, and they've got guys to sign.
Speaker 1: They also couldn't just say, like, you know, the Rams
Speaker 1: just rolled over on Todd Gurley to me, they rolled
Speaker 1: over you know, they're moving from Saint Louis. All. I know,
Speaker 1: it happened last year. I get that. But they just
Speaker 1: rolled over on that deal, you know. And now and
Speaker 1: then you know, the Rams are going to give me
Speaker 1: a situation. They've got a bunch of young players that
Speaker 1: you know, they're gonna have to take care of themselves,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, that Gurly deal is not
Speaker 1: going to look as good to them, and all it's
Speaker 1: going to be, you know, oh, well we need to
Speaker 1: do something here. So I just, you know, I understand
Speaker 1: what I understand what the Joneses did, because if they
Speaker 1: if they roll on this deal, they just rolled over,
Speaker 1: then they're gonna have a whole bunch of their players
Speaker 1: trying to do the same thing as Zeke elity and
Speaker 1: you can't do that. You just can't do that. But
Speaker 1: the Girly deal a year ago, where he was at
Speaker 1: the exact same point in his contract that Zeke is
Speaker 1: right now. Sure, that's what gave the Zeke camp conviction
Speaker 1: that this is what we can do right now. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sometimes it works and Melvin and sometimes it doesn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it depends in you know, the bottom line is Cowboys
Speaker 1: need Zeke, you know, there's no question they need Zeke.
Speaker 1: I mean if they've said that, if if you're gonna,
Speaker 1: if you're going to get to where you need to be,
Speaker 1: you need him. Now, let's see what Kellen Moore does.
Speaker 1: Everybody out there who is analytics guys, and I'm not
Speaker 1: an analytics guy. I don't know if anybody in this
Speaker 1: room is an analytics guy. I do know though, that
Speaker 1: with my own eyes, I see what he does for
Speaker 1: this football team. I see how he can affect games.
Speaker 1: You're gonna see a guy this weekend for the Giants
Speaker 1: that can affect games the way he plays. That's sae
Speaker 1: Quon Barkley. So don't tell me elite players can't make
Speaker 1: a difference in these games. And if you're th out
Speaker 1: there and say, oh well, they could just go on
Speaker 1: and do so. She don't need running backs. It's not important. Okay, fine,
Speaker 1: whatever you whatever you want to say, it's great. But
Speaker 1: we don't know what Kellen Moore is, how Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: is gonna call these games. We really don't. We've watched
Speaker 1: thirty practices, we've seen four preseason games. Might have a
Speaker 1: little a bit of an idea, but Kelly Moore might
Speaker 1: say Okay, we're gonna be very very play action heavy.
Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna be very much try and throw
Speaker 1: the football and first down and stuff so which we
Speaker 1: haven't seen before. So to me, you know, if you
Speaker 1: sit there, oh, they can live without the running back.
Speaker 1: What you know, that's that's that's just not accurate. That
Speaker 1: is just not This team needs this running bay win
Speaker 1: six games without him in twenty seventeen and it was
Speaker 1: a challenge. Man, those I think that what they lose
Speaker 1: and then and everybody argue. Everyone will say, oh, he
Speaker 1: only averages five yards to carry. You can throw the
Speaker 1: ball again eight yards to pass. You know, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's it's on and on and on. I'm not an
Speaker 1: analytics guy. And folks, if you're out there and you
Speaker 1: love analytics, good congratulations, But also look at the eye test.
Speaker 1: Just sit down and just watch the damn game. Who
Speaker 1: said that, By the way, somebody said that we well
Speaker 1: before you. Okay, I'm just telling you though, that that's
Speaker 1: where it's right, that's where that's where this this guy
Speaker 1: accounts for two thousand yards of your offense, no question, Jo,
Speaker 1: go try and replace that. Yeah. I love Tony Pollard.
Speaker 1: I'm glad they have him, But don't go try and
Speaker 1: replace two thousand yards. Go out and try and replace
Speaker 1: a guy that could blitz pick up and guy could
Speaker 1: catch the screen and go sixty yards. You know, that's
Speaker 1: my eyes. That's my eyes. That's that's nothing to do
Speaker 1: with analytics. Or throwing the ball on first down, or
Speaker 1: throwing the ball on second down, or throwing the ball
Speaker 1: on third down, or going forward on every fourth down
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with that. In other words, don't
Speaker 1: overthink it. I don't think Yeah, you're right, all right.
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Speaker 1: As we've talked about Zeke a lot and LC a
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Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys. We haven't talked about the fact number one,
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Speaker 1: in mind as we go forward throughout this a regular season.
Speaker 1: We also haven't had an opportunity to talk about what
Speaker 1: happened over the weekend, which is this roster got put together.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, take that takes. It takes all around on
Speaker 1: what happened as this roster got or is getting finalized
Speaker 1: at three o'clock this afternoon. I don't think there were
Speaker 1: really many surprises at all, and I think a lot
Speaker 1: of it has to do with just the depth on
Speaker 1: the team. You kind of had a feeling, give or
Speaker 1: take a couple of spots who was gonna make it,
Speaker 1: and you know guys that probably would have made it anyway,
Speaker 1: or on injured reserve or on pup like a Noah Brown.
Speaker 1: So it kind of sorted things out that way. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's there was not a whole lot of suspense. I
Speaker 1: think there was maybe more suspense on who was going
Speaker 1: to make the practice squad after guy's cleared waiver. I
Speaker 1: didn't see Brandon Night making this team. I'm sorry, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right. I just can't. I can't. I can't go there.
Speaker 1: And you know, and and we kind of talked about
Speaker 1: what was going on, the fact they couldn't figure out
Speaker 1: what happened at safety. Yeah, that that was another thing.
Speaker 1: And maybe it had something to do with injury, maybe
Speaker 1: with Cabon Frasier. The fact that they went five and five,
Speaker 1: I think tells you, you know, that they had problems
Speaker 1: figuring out what was going on at safety. Maybe again,
Speaker 1: maybe because of because of Thotovan Wilson's injury, they had
Speaker 1: to carry the extra guy for a for a This
Speaker 1: first couple of weeks might be the case, but I
Speaker 1: didn't see Brandon Knight making the spell. Let's just remember,
Speaker 1: within two weeks, two more guys have to go. So
Speaker 1: Brandon might in the thinking might be somebody might take
Speaker 1: him on a Sunday, But by Friday, your roster's already
Speaker 1: sure fifth finalized for that first game, and if you
Speaker 1: pick him up then you owe him three games on
Speaker 1: the roster, right, so they may be thinking that might
Speaker 1: be a way to get him from the roster to
Speaker 1: the practice squad. Yeah, because I'm agree with you that
Speaker 1: that that might be the only one I was going.
Speaker 1: I was going nine offensive line and they ended up
Speaker 1: with eleven. I mean I was a little surprised. They
Speaker 1: don't have it, they don't have an extra tackle. But
Speaker 1: it's ten now right? Well, yeah, yeah, recalled I r
Speaker 1: it was a little surprised they cut Jordan Seun running back,
Speaker 1: but then they wound up bringing him back yesterday. So
Speaker 1: how about no love for Mike White, not even for
Speaker 1: the practice squad? For the practice squad? Did someone else
Speaker 1: him not seen it? I mean they lost the Justin Phillips,
Speaker 1: the linebacker to the Oakland Raiders. Did they he went
Speaker 1: to the Raiders practice squad productive? But yeah, he was
Speaker 1: producted the preseason. Did they lose him or did they
Speaker 1: not want to sign him? Well, I'm just saying they
Speaker 1: just want he went he found us no, because if
Speaker 1: the Raiders really wanted him, they could pay him more
Speaker 1: than eight thousand dollars a week. I'm sure I don't
Speaker 1: know what they're paying him, but he's no longer here.
Speaker 1: He's an open that That was my point. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: would have thought that he would have been a Devin
Speaker 1: Smith made the team. We all felt like he earned
Speaker 1: that spot. They cut Cedric Wilson. You know, we thought
Speaker 1: maybe they'd keep six receivers. I mean, there's just there
Speaker 1: wasn't a whole lot of suspense here. Wilson's on the
Speaker 1: practice squad by the way I was. You know, it's
Speaker 1: weird how we always kind of go into this, and
Speaker 1: maybe it's because you're so focused on the team you're
Speaker 1: dealing with, but you're thinking, Okay, there's no way that
Speaker 1: this guy's gonna make it through. There's no way this
Speaker 1: guy's gonna make it through. There's no way this guy's
Speaker 1: gonna make it through. Heck, every one of their guys
Speaker 1: made it through. That just shows these teams like their
Speaker 1: own guys. Now. I will give Will McClay credit for this,
Speaker 1: though he signed a tight end on the practice squad
Speaker 1: that wasn't here, and he went for the quarterback that
Speaker 1: wasn't here. That to me, is a good thing. If
Speaker 1: you're a team that will sign yeah, if you're a
Speaker 1: team that will sign seven of your own and three
Speaker 1: of somebody else's, that's evaluation right there. That's just not
Speaker 1: being married to Justin Phillips and Mike White and those
Speaker 1: guys like that. Even though justin Phillips, I felt like
Speaker 1: deserved to be on at least on the practice squad here.
Speaker 1: You know, well, how about Nate hallt Nate Hall didn't
Speaker 1: make it on the practice squad either, Buffalo Buffalo practice squad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's what I'm saying here, That's what I'm saying here.
Speaker 1: He was, you know, here's there was a there were
Speaker 1: several guys. How about the tight end Cody McElroy. Kind
Speaker 1: of thought maybe Cody McElroy might have a chance to develop,
Speaker 1: But no, he didn't make it. He didn't he it
Speaker 1: was it was waived injured. Yeah, he's gonna be Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Jalen Guyden's not on this practice squad. They went out
Speaker 1: and signed Vientel Bryant. Yeah, from what Cincinnati he was
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati's camp. I think that had more to do
Speaker 1: with Guyden's understanding of the offense or lack of That's
Speaker 1: kind of the impression that I got that there were Yeah,
Speaker 1: the talent is clearly there. Does he fully get what
Speaker 1: they're doing? That was that was a big question right there.
Speaker 1: So with with Mike White, they basically traded off fifth
Speaker 1: round picks right because the guy they signed was a
Speaker 1: fifth round pick this year by the Eagles, right, And
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that about him. He started fifty three
Speaker 1: consecutive games at Northwest Shore. It did ten record and
Speaker 1: tied to Power Five Conference record for consecutive starts, but
Speaker 1: he didn't make it there, so I think, and so
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, we know everything we need to know
Speaker 1: about my White. Let's take a look at this guy.
Speaker 1: We liked him in the draft, and obviously they weren't
Speaker 1: going to pick him because of Mike White being you
Speaker 1: know what, he fell victim too. I think in Philadelphia though,
Speaker 1: is Sudfeld's injury, yes, because they they're keeping Sudfeld, but
Speaker 1: they couldn't have. They couldn't have. Basically they were gonna
Speaker 1: have to keep four quarterbacks if they were going to
Speaker 1: keep their draft pick, because they signed Josh McCown and
Speaker 1: they let Cody Kessler go and so, but Sudfeld does
Speaker 1: not have a season ending injury. He had a broken
Speaker 1: wrist first preseason game, and so you're not keeping four quarterbacks. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: So that credit the Cowboys there again on that one
Speaker 1: is picking up that guy and at least take taking
Speaker 1: a good look at him and see what he's got
Speaker 1: and there's something to be said for being a four
Speaker 1: year starter and having that at Northwestern. No matter where
Speaker 1: you're playing, right, there's a there's a track record of
Speaker 1: guys with a lot of snaps in college being able
Speaker 1: to do something. Yeah, some of these guys ended up
Speaker 1: with for two dis injuries too, Like yeah, Noah Brown
Speaker 1: was they wanted to keep them, but they were able
Speaker 1: to keep him on pup And the same thing with
Speaker 1: Jalen Jelks and john Vay Johnson because I bet if
Speaker 1: Johnson wasn't hurt, I don't know if he would have.
Speaker 1: I think I think Johnson might have made the practice
Speaker 1: Johnson had been on the practice squad. They moved on
Speaker 1: from Guyton, right, But yeah, that was clear. But the
Speaker 1: D line kind of got sorted out with injury Daniel
Speaker 1: Ross on injured reserve. You cut Daniel Wise and brought him.
Speaker 1: It's a rotator cuff, right, yes, Ross Ross? Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So all right, two minute arding goes to both benches.
Speaker 1: Here what you got the final two minutes As we
Speaker 1: look ahead to the rest of this day and the
Speaker 1: Giants coming here this week. I like the fact that
Speaker 1: everybody practiced that was supposed to practice Yester, all the
Speaker 1: guys you thought of. It was nice to see Zack
Speaker 1: Martin out there, Tyren Smith out there. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting to see how they incorporate
Speaker 1: Byron Jones and Byron Jones was running with the twos.
Speaker 1: That mean Anthony Brown if they go the way that,
Speaker 1: if they go a week that way, then likely, uh,
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown could be your starter right cornerback with uh
Speaker 1: with across from a woozy les Dan. Don't you think
Speaker 1: that's smart for the guy coming off the hip and
Speaker 1: haven't been able to do that much. Oh, No, it's
Speaker 1: absolutely And you know, and we might get a situation
Speaker 1: too where we see with with with Barkley being the
Speaker 1: type of player he is was receiver, could we see
Speaker 1: another thing where Jordan Lewis takes that takes that Alvin
Speaker 1: Kamara role. Something to keep an eye on, maybe, you know,
Speaker 1: hint or snoop around see if that's the case at all.
Speaker 1: Anybody else got anything here? No, I was gonna echo
Speaker 1: the wit and the guys that were injured that they
Speaker 1: said would all be ready to go by the start
Speaker 1: of the season. I think ten guys if you include
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence and Tyrone Crawford. All those guys were back
Speaker 1: practicing yesterday in some form or fashion. Uh, the entire
Speaker 1: offensive line back in order, Sean Lee back out there.
Speaker 1: Um so yeah, I think that Annamari Cooper out absolutely now.
Speaker 1: Didn't do a lot, but it's first practice, you ease
Speaker 1: them in. So I think that was very significant in
Speaker 1: the usterria getting ready for that first game. And now
Speaker 1: we wait some more. Yep, Zeke Watch continues forty days,
Speaker 1: forty nights. Will it be a forty first night? And
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