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Speaker 1: Stone's Touring Party is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome Back to Los Angeles. It's Spring nineteen seventy two.

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Speaker 2: Tickets for the Rolling Stones Tour of North America are

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Speaker 2: minutes away from going on sale. If figures from other

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Speaker 2: cities or any indication competition will be fierce. In Detroit,

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Speaker 2: there were one hundred and twenty thousand requests for twelve

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Speaker 2: thousand seats. In Chicago, thirty four thousand tickets sell out

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Speaker 2: in just five and a half hours. There was a

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Speaker 2: similar story in San Francisco where people stood outside the

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Speaker 2: ticket office all day and got nothing but disappointment. All

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Speaker 2: is to say, most people in line at the Tepanga

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Speaker 2: Plaza shopping center waiting for the ticketron counter to open

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Speaker 2: are well aware that he'll probably walk away empty handed,

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Speaker 2: But Jeffrey from Encino's prepared to get creative. This enterprising

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Speaker 2: young freak is determined to get satisfaction. He's been camped

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Speaker 2: out since the night before, along with about two hundred

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Speaker 2: other kids, bundled in sleeping bags and blankets. But even

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Speaker 2: these extreme measures might not be enough. You see, the

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Speaker 2: ticket window can be found within a large department store,

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Speaker 2: and the employees are given early access. In other words,

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Speaker 2: they could just rock up and cut the line. To

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Speaker 2: Jeffrey from Encino, that just doesn't seem fair to everyone

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Speaker 2: who just used the pavement for a pillow. To fight

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Speaker 2: this injustice, Jeffrey from Encino's about to go undercover. A

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Speaker 2: half hour before the ticketron window opens. He changes into

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Speaker 2: a clean white shirt and tie. I'm carefully smoothing out

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Speaker 2: the wrinkles. He marches through a door on the side

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Speaker 2: of the building, mark employees, I'm in personnel. He aily

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Speaker 2: informs the guard and makes it three steps into the

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Speaker 2: store before some sour faced lady at the desk kisses

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Speaker 2: young man, I'm in personnel and I've never seen you before.

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Speaker 2: The guard puts the collar on Jeffrey from Encino and

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Speaker 2: shows them the door. The crowd outside, still bleary eyed

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Speaker 2: in their sleeping bags, cheer them on. I see him

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Speaker 2: being pushed out the door by a guard. Gotta give

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Speaker 2: a fellow stones Van credit for triumph pitchin. Someone yells out,

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Speaker 2: way to go, man yells another. But Jeffrey from Mencino

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Speaker 2: isn't giving up that easily. Enlisting the help of two

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Speaker 2: fellow freaks, he sneaks around the far side of the

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Speaker 2: building to a heavy iron grate. Together they lift it

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Speaker 2: high enough for Jeffrey from Mencino to wiggle under and

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Speaker 2: slip down a back stairway. It looks like he's made

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Speaker 2: it this time, until the stairway brings him out right

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Speaker 2: by the desk where the same old, sour faced lady

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Speaker 2: from Personnel is sitting. She sees Jeffrey and yells for

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Speaker 2: a guard to throw him out. More cheers from the sidewalk. Hey,

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Speaker 2: it's that dude again, someone in the crowd shouts, far out, brother,

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Speaker 2: it's nine point thirty, a half hour before the window opens.

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Speaker 2: It's hot already, and the unsmuged sunshine makes everything look

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Speaker 2: worn and dead. Jeffrey from Mencino's enraged. He knows that

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Speaker 2: somebody's in there, already cutting a corner and waiting online

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Speaker 2: for tickets ahead of him. At this very minute. He's

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Speaker 2: being ripped off, and he hates it, so he tries

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Speaker 2: the other side of the building, where he finds another

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Speaker 2: movable grape. Up it goes and Jeffery from Encino's in

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Speaker 2: and under and down a back stairway that opens out

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Speaker 2: into the boys department. He's nervous, no telling what the

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Speaker 2: sour faced lady will do if she catches him. This time,

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Speaker 2: desperate to blend in, he makes like a floor walker

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Speaker 2: and starts straightening out a pile of Levi's. Then he

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Speaker 2: sees it a plastic name tag, presumably belonging to some

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Speaker 2: salesman or clerk who left it there at closing time.

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Speaker 2: Jeffery from Encino takes the name plate and clips it

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Speaker 2: into his pocket. For the first time all day, he's legal.

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Speaker 2: With renewed confidence, he takes the escalator down to the

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Speaker 2: ticket tron booth. There are already eight people on line there,

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Speaker 2: all suspicions confirmed. Company's got the fix in for its

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Speaker 2: own employees. All these poor kids who've been outside for

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Speaker 2: anywhere from ten to sixteen hours are being ripped off. Jeez,

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Speaker 2: he thinks you have to be a criminal in America

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Speaker 2: these days just to stay even. Who's that One lady

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Speaker 2: in front of Jeffrey from Mensino suddenly says to another,

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Speaker 2: I've never seen him before. These women are clearly not

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Speaker 2: fans of the Stones and are definitely just getting tickets

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Speaker 2: for their grand nieces or something. And they're clearly not

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Speaker 2: fans of his either. And Jeffrey from Mensino can feel

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Speaker 2: the bust coming. He starts to sweat. Oh, he says,

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Speaker 2: in the boys department. I started last week. Well, the

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Speaker 2: guy he works in shirts. The two ladies relax, the

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Speaker 2: freak who pulled them out. Ten o'clock. Now the building's

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Speaker 2: as much as he hears it, thundering across the building

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Speaker 2: towards him and the tickeatron counter. It gets louder with

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Speaker 2: each passing second. Then he sees them, the horde of

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Speaker 2: freaks who will not be denied, hauling through the furniture department,

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Speaker 2: pounding past shells of cut glass decanters and wooden salad bulls,

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Speaker 2: running up the down escalators, tearing away the rope from

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Speaker 2: in front of the ticketron Pooth and obliterating the line

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Speaker 2: for the first time all day. Jeffrey from Encino feels fear.

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Speaker 2: But by the time the thundering stops and the crowd

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Speaker 2: from Encino has the situation in hand in his palm.

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Speaker 2: To be exact, four tickets to the Stones at the

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Speaker 2: LA Forum there is. That story comes courtesy of Robert Greenfield,

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Speaker 2: the legendary rock journalist, was the dedicated Stones correspondent for

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Speaker 2: Rolling Stone Magazine as the twenty something in the early seventies.

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Speaker 2: He was in LA and witnessed the MAVs scrambled to

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Speaker 2: obtain tickets to the Exile on Main Street tour in

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Speaker 2: the spring of seventy two. He was also there in

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Speaker 2: June when the tour rolled through town. This was a

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Speaker 2: big one for the band. La was the dark heart

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Speaker 2: of the music world, where everything was beautiful, but nothing

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Speaker 2: was quite what it seemed. The crimes of Charles Manson

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Speaker 2: and a so called family less than three years earlier

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Speaker 2: it brought that point home. To all appearances, they were

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Speaker 2: a merry band of musical free spirits, pointing the way

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Speaker 2: to a more tolerant and free way of life. Yet

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Speaker 2: they proved capable of unspeakable acts of savagery. It was

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Speaker 2: all about image in La an image can't be trusted.

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Speaker 2: Up to this point of the tour, the band did

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Speaker 2: worry about the Hell's Angels, fearing that the bikers would

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Speaker 2: launch a retaliatory attack for the disaster at Altamont. But

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Speaker 2: here the killers could be anyone. Many ghosts would emerge

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Speaker 2: from the Hollywood Hills during the Stones visit, including the

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Speaker 2: Specter of Death. In addition to Greenfield and has never

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Speaker 2: before heard tapes of the Stones in their seventies exile

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Speaker 2: Eraic Glory will be joined by his friend and fellow

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Speaker 2: STP tour mate Gary Stromberg, the band's pr soprimo, who's

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Speaker 2: represented a whole jukebox of the twentieth century's greatest artists.

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Speaker 2: What's more, he also had a terrifyingly close encounter with

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Speaker 2: Hollywood's most notorious madman. My name's Jordan Runtag. And this

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Speaker 2: is the Stones touring party for the Rolling Stones. Being

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Speaker 2: in la isn't like being the road at all. This

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Speaker 2: was where Exile on Main Street was completed just a

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Speaker 2: few months before and where the tour had been meticulously plauded. Hell,

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Speaker 2: they just left from here less than a week earlier,

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Speaker 2: probably felt like dejav who. Many of the entourage forgo hotels,

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Speaker 2: opting to stay in their own houses instead. As far

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Speaker 2: as Robert Greenfield was concerned, Los Angeles was the stp hometown.

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Speaker 3: Stones always liked La. They'd lived here before. Remember Mick

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Speaker 3: had that house up in the hills with the pool

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Speaker 3: sixty nine. They had lived here in sixty nine, okay,

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Speaker 3: and so they were comfortable here. They came here early.

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Speaker 3: The whiskey and the strip, I mean, this was legend

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Speaker 3: to them. They like going to the Apollo. They understood

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Speaker 3: the Sun's hit strip. It was iconic.

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Speaker 2: The Rolling Stones always had an oversized place in their

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Speaker 2: hearts for Los Angeles. To them, it was the gateway

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Speaker 2: to a America. This was pop culture ground zero, the

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Speaker 2: birthplace of movies and media from which they and their

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Speaker 2: English peers pieced together a fantastical picture of the United States.

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Speaker 2: Compared to gray, deprived postwar Britain. It seemed like the

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Speaker 2: promised land, far off, magical place where everything was colorful

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Speaker 2: and larger than life. Superman, Coca Cola Frank Sinatra, Mickey

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Speaker 2: Mouse and hot dogs. America produced a ceaseless flood of stars, styles,

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Speaker 2: and trends, and the US economic boom made even everyday

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Speaker 2: life seem impossibly glamorous. Big cars with big fins, big

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Speaker 2: houses with big lawns, and big television sets with the

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Speaker 2: biggest celebrities. For Brits, America seemed cooler, richer, and a

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Speaker 2: hell of a lot more fun than anything they had.

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Speaker 2: This America existed more in the mind than on the map.

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Speaker 2: They'd figure that out later. Hollywood didn't have the same

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Speaker 2: sort of luster for local Los Angelos. La made fantasy

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Speaker 2: food for the world and created stars who were the

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Speaker 2: physical embodiments of that fantasy. But familiarity breeds contempt, and

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Speaker 2: those closest to the fantasy making process had few illusions

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Speaker 2: about it all. They always knew which grade star was

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Speaker 2: a junkie, a gambling addict, or a philanderer, or whatever

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Speaker 2: your imagination deems worse Hollywood hype had sold a lot

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Speaker 2: of things, but more than anything else, it sold the

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Speaker 2: image of America to the rest of the world. An

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Speaker 2: image can't be trusted, but still. Guitarist Mick Taylor remembered

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Speaker 2: his childlike excitement during his first trip to the States.

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Speaker 4: Most English kids of my age had sort of fantasies

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Speaker 4: about the where America was, you know, through the movie Is,

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Speaker 4: through television and classive fact that American music was what

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Speaker 4: we admired most of all and what we were most

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Speaker 4: the first time I went there.

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Speaker 2: Despite its disturbing reputation for violence both international and domestic,

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Speaker 2: America continued doing trance. The Stones drummer Charlie Watts freely

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Speaker 2: admitted that the prospect of traveling through the States on

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Speaker 2: the STP tour scared.

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Speaker 3: The hell out of him, But speaking of Robert Greenfield

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Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy two, he admitted a deep affection for

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Speaker 3: the place.

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Speaker 2: Here he is courtesy of our friends at the Northwestern

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Speaker 2: University Archives.

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Speaker 5: I always loved the American I always loved American people.

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Speaker 5: I am a product of America. I'm as English as

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Speaker 5: anybody in a funny sense. You know, my life is

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Speaker 5: not run like an American. My own doesn't look like

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Speaker 5: an American. It's a typical English owned you know, I

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Speaker 5: mean with a tea but Georgian silver, all that shit.

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Speaker 5: I'm not American. I hate those fucking Hollywood owns. I

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Speaker 5: go to them that the same thing, curiosity showing like

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Speaker 5: a mansion. I'll go look at all those pools, man,

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Speaker 5: they really are lovely. If I don't live there, it's

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Speaker 5: not me. But I am a product of America. I

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Speaker 5: totally am purely by what I do and what my

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Speaker 5: interests are. My interests are firstly visual art graphics, which

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Speaker 5: was when I was younger, you know I'm doing. It

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Speaker 5: was all American. It was totally American closed. I used

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Speaker 5: to fucking go crazy about Ivy League.

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Speaker 4: I still do.

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Speaker 5: I thought all I wear man is a fucking Ivy

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Speaker 5: League suit. To me, the only music in the world

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Speaker 5: was black. American still is in a way, funny way,

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Speaker 5: but I mean it's all based around there. I'm a

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Speaker 5: total American product.

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Speaker 2: They adored America as a whole, but La was a

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Speaker 2: special kind of thrill. They'd loved it since they first

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Speaker 2: arrived in the mid sixties. It was here that they

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Speaker 2: recorded their Immortal Satisfaction in nineteen sixty five. The place

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Speaker 2: had always been good to them, and the music coming

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Speaker 2: from here inspired them, especially the country rock sound pioneered

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Speaker 2: by Keith Richards one time, Nelcott House guest, Graham Party

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Speaker 2: Rock Biz lived and breathed the stones. For the second

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Speaker 9: I mean, when you get the twig in that that

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Speaker 10: I mean, you really did you get used to it?

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Speaker 9: It's not that anybody's starting out to sort of make

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Speaker 2: Danny's just seen the Rolling Stones at the Hollywood Palladium,

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Speaker 2: Then he handed over a microphone, claiming that Mick had

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Speaker 5: I was very sad that because it was a non event,

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Speaker 2: It was a non event.

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Speaker 11: It didn't happen.

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Speaker 2: I can't figure it out that was supposed to be

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Speaker 5: Anybody becomes a theoretician digital answer.

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Speaker 4: Why didn't come up?

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Speaker 5: Nobody rioted, No helicopters came.

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Speaker 2: But Danny Man, he was blown away. This is hardly

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Speaker 2: surprising considering Danny as a Stone super fan, He's already

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Speaker 2: worn out five copies of Sticky Fingers. Assuming that records

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Speaker 2: to every one of the Stones concerts in La, the Palladium,

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Speaker 2: even greater peak. I've had my friends tell me about

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Speaker 2: he tells Greenfield. I've even dropped some Reds to listen

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Speaker 2: To some, it's considered positively unseemly for men of their

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Speaker 11: But it's always felt, always felt, I mean, all right,

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Speaker 4: Age the age thing is, I mean you're twice as

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, if somebody I mean kids, Yeah, I

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Speaker 5: I said, I don't know any other way you can

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Speaker 2: Really. Danny's so hip that he even managed to speak

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Speaker 2: Rex concert hoping to meet Mark Bowen, and there was

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Speaker 2: Mick leaning against the door jam, waiting for the action

433
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 2: he felt preordained, almost mythical. Danny tentatively approached him, like

434
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 2: a faithful pilgrim meeting his guru, finally able to ask

435
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 2: that one question that would help guide him through life. Hey, Mick,

436
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 2: If he ventures, hey, how do you keep your head together?

437
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 2: Mixed reply was instantaneous. I don't, man, this blows Danny's mind.

438
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 2: Mick is the man, the one above all else, and

439
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 2: he doesn't have it figured out either. It's just too much,

440
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 2: just too goddamn much. And there you have it. A

441
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 2: tossed off re mark, self deprecating, albeit truthful, becomes a

442
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 2: deeply meaningful co on to an la teenager. That's the

443
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,880
Speaker 2: magic of Mick. A decade of lopsided social interactions has

444
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 2: made him exceedingly good at giving fans a little moment

445
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 2: to hold on to a treasured souvenir for the rest

446
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 2: of their lives. It's a skill one that the rest

447
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 2: of his bandmates, including Charlie Watts, could never be bothered with.

448
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 2: Cares a lord though.

449
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 5: What he does, what he does please, and he puts

450
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,199
Speaker 5: a lot of time that I couldn't be bothered to

451
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 5: grow into and I had nothing but admiration for that,

452
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 5: because it's not fun yet.

453
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 2: Throughout his career, Mick Jaggers displayed an uncanny knack for

454
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 2: being whatever the moment required, both on stage and off.

455
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 2: His image can change from a swaggering front man to

456
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 2: a sensitive little boy, to a cutthroat businessman, to a

457
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 2: manner born aristocrat to a rebel outlaw, to a father

458
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 2: figure for his tour crew, to a rough and ready

459
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 2: bluesman to a psychedelic London dandy. This chameleonic quality is

460
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 2: crucial to Mixed survival, allowing him to connect with everyone

461
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 2: from taxi drivers to Princess Margaret. He's a great poser

462
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 2: and role player, and he knows it.

463
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 12: English paper are always brought up to get on with

464
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Speaker 12: everyone in every circumstance. I mean that's everyone. I mean

465
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 12: a plus everyone in that particular class group.

466
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 10: And uh, I've always found it easy to get on

467
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 10: with most people.

468
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 12: And I mean I've been involved with all that since

469
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 12: I started, you.

470
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 2: Know, ten years ago, more or less.

471
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Speaker 10: I mean that, though I've had my sort of reactions

472
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 10: against it, and I've had my times when I thought

473
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 10: it was nice to dress up, you know, and uh,

474
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 10: it's very flashy clothes and be very fashionable and.

475
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 7: And do all that in London, which I did for years,

476
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 7: you know, and actual.

477
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 12: Fact, I mean, but I guess, I forguess because you know,

478
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 12: after coming from really a drab sort of background, you know,

479
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 12: it was kind of chic, you know, and then go

480
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 12: on the road.

481
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 2: Anyway. I was on the road for years. I never

482
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 2: did anything.

483
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 12: I never spent a lot of time with any one

484
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 12: particular group of people talk I never do.

485
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 2: Some might view this method as inauthentic or even phony,

486
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 2: but it's the only way to hold it together when

487
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,479
Speaker 2: you're on top of the mountain, a mountain made up

488
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 2: of money and people's lives, and you have final say

489
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 2: over every one and everything. You have to compartmentalize. By

490
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 2: way of example, consider the early days of July nineteen

491
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 2: sixty nine. On Wednesday, the second, Brian Jones is found

492
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 2: dead in the swimming pool of his country estate in Sussex,

493
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 2: the same home or author eight A. Milne had written

494
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 2: the Winnie the Pooh books. Jones has been a founding

495
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 2: member of the Rolling Stones, then he became a founding

496
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: member of the twenty seven Club. Though rumors of foul

497
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 2: play will dog Brian's end until the end of time,

498
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 2: the authorities officially rule it that most British of phrases

499
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 2: death by misadventure. The tragedy comes a month after he's

500
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 2: left the band. The night he dies, the Stones are

501
00:28:55,760 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 2: rehearsing with guitarist Mick Taylor, poached from John Mayle's bluesbrid

502
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 2: to be his replacement. There's simply no time. The morn

503
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 2: on Saturday, they're due to play their first concert in

504
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 2: two years. Massive free show in London's Hyde Park slated

505
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 2: the draw upwards of a quarter million people. It was

506
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: intended to be Mick Taylor's grand unveiling to the band's

507
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,719
Speaker 2: fans now it was to be a tribute to Brian.

508
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 2: For Taylor a Stone for less than a month. He

509
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 2: was an inauspicious start to his tenure.

510
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 4: I think we were already rehearsing and recording when we

511
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 4: heard about Brian's death.

512
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 8: That's have really been strange.

513
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 4: It was more strange for everybody else, because after all,

514
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 4: they'd known him for a long time, whereas I'd never

515
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 4: even met the guy before. I think it was a

516
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 4: bit strange for everybody because we'd only had about three

517
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 4: days rehearsal before then, and I was very nervous, as

518
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:50,479
Speaker 4: everybody else was.

519
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 2: Brian died Wednesday night. The Stones learn of his death

520
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 2: on Thursday morning. They take a tea the appearance for

521
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 2: the British music show Top of the Pops that afternoon,

522
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 2: miming their way through their new single honky Tonk Woman,

523
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 2: the last Stone session Brian ever attended. The next day, Friday,

524
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 2: Mick Jagger wakes up with laryngitis. Rest isn't an option.

525
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 2: The next day he has to perform in Hyde Park.

526
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 2: If he doesn't, there'll be two hundred thousand angry youths

527
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 2: uprooting trees and draining the Serpentine. A documentary TV crew

528
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 2: shadows him from the moment he wakes up, following his

529
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 2: every move as a sixth singer prepares to play the

530
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 2: biggest show he's ever done. Kids from all over England

531
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 2: filter into the park until the crowds the size of

532
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 2: a small city. Mick opens the show by reading two

533
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,479
Speaker 2: stanzas from Adende's Shelley's meditation on the death of his

534
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 2: friend John Keats. A ceremonial box of butterflies is opened.

535
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 2: Most died in transport, but the survivors flutter to the

536
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 2: sky in Brian's memory. Then the Stones get to work.

537
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: This is what they do. Next day, Sunday, Mick boards

538
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 2: a one o'clock plane for Australia, where he's scheduled to

539
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 2: film a starring role in the movie Ned Kelly. After

540
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 2: the grueling hours long flight, he's greeted at the airport

541
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 2: by a protest march. Angry Ausies are offended by the

542
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 2: notion of this convicted English long hair playing their national

543
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 2: folk hero. Two days later, barely a week after the

544
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 2: death of Brian Jones, Mix's girlfriend, the singer and actress

545
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 2: Mary N Faithful, attempts suicide by taking a few dozen

546
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 2: sleeping pills in the hotel room they shared in Sydney,

547
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 2: An unscrupulous journalist sneaks into the intensive care unit of

548
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 2: the hospital and takes her photo. When Jagger returns from

549
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 2: filming on location, he discovers her on the front page

550
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: of a newspaper, unconscious and in a coma. Back in England,

551
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 2: they're laying Brian Jones to his final rest, but throughout

552
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: the week, Jagger's on set, working, fulfilling his commitments. Hey Mick,

553
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 2: how do you keep your head together? We all want

554
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: to know. Brian's death marked the beginning of a horrific

555
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,479
Speaker 2: string of casualties that would decimate rock's ranks by nineteen

556
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 2: seventy one. Robert Greenfield remembers that troubling time.

557
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 3: That summer at nell Cut. Jim Marrison died, and of

558
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 3: course Janice and Jimmy had already died. That's earlier, and

559
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 3: again the level of death in rock and roll. You

560
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 3: know so many people who are at nell Cut not

561
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 3: with us anymore. That summer an incredible summer, but it

562
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 3: was his band. They didn't just lose a band member,

563
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 3: They lost the guy who they came together around, who

564
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,719
Speaker 3: was the first star. Brian was the rock idol, and

565
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 3: he fell apart in front of their eyes.

566
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 2: The group were under no illusions that without Brian Jones

567
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: there would have been no Rolling Stones. It was he

568
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 2: who formed the band, naming it after his favorite Muddy

569
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 2: Waters song. It was he who honed the early sound

570
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 2: in the style of the American R and B records.

571
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 2: He's so cherished before they found the manager. It was

572
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 2: he who rang up venues looking for gigs and signed

573
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 2: early contracts. He wasn't merely the leader of the band

574
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 2: for the first few years. He was the heart throw,

575
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 2: the spokesman, the guiding spirit, and the creative engine, and,

576
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 2: according to Bill Wyman, the virtuoso, experimenting with sounds from

577
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 2: Morocco and India as well as the American South.

578
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 5: I think Brian had the bigger ambition to be a

579
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 5: big music a great musician.

580
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 11: He was great, you know, Brian was great.

581
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 2: I didn't go what anybody says from was a very

582
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 2: good musician.

583
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 3: You know, and.

584
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 11: He had a lot of new things that nobody else had.

585
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 5: He was the first bottomneck guitar player.

586
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 11: I mean, nobody knew any about.

587
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 6: The playing with a piece of metal and the guitar.

588
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 11: You know, it was absurd.

589
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 7: He was paying his post Italy stuff.

590
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 4: You know that Saint Tremolos.

591
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 5: Tremlos have been used for and not the way Brian played.

592
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 10: And Brian played it like Bo Diddley did.

593
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 11: I know he got it from America, but.

594
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 10: He was unique in England, you know, And so he

595
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 10: could pick up any instrument and play.

596
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 7: I can play it.

597
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 11: I'm not saying that play gray v book.

598
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,240
Speaker 4: Be able to use it in a recording off or whatever.

599
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 2: He could just pick up a half full.

600
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 7: Sized half and just get something out of a flute or.

601
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 12: So.

602
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 2: Brian's death may have been shocking, it wasn't exactly a surprise.

603
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 2: The fragile guitarists have been slowly slipping away for two years,

604
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 2: retreating further and further into a cocoon of drugs. Most

605
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 2: of the time, he was too stone to attend sessions.

606
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 2: On the occasions when he did show up, he often

607
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 2: knotted off on the studio floor, driven to distraction by substances.

608
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 2: His bandmates would step in, thus exacerbating Brian's in security

609
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,240
Speaker 2: and anxiety, which led him to self medicate with more drugs.

610
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 2: As far as Brian was concerned, everything he loved was

611
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 2: being taken away. He lost girlfriend Anita Pallenberg to Keith Richards,

612
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 2: and he lost the band, the Mick Jagger. As far

613
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 2: as McK and Keith were concerned, Brian just couldn't hack

614
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 2: it anymore.

615
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 3: The thing about Mick and Keith, as much as I

616
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 3: revere them, they moved on like if you couldn't help

617
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 3: them anymore, you were in the rearview mirror and they

618
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 3: were never coming back to say hello again.

619
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 2: Charlie Watts was unapologetic about their decision the part ways

620
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 2: with Brian.

621
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 5: I don't think you could function in the situation we

622
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 5: created for him.

623
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 8: Too much pressure, so much responsibility.

624
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 5: From the session, which is fundamentally obvious, because you ain't

625
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 5: gonna make a thing, ain't, do you know what I mean?

626
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 5: I think that's what they And they didn't want to

627
00:35:58,760 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 5: work amost all day?

628
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 11: Want?

629
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 8: What did he want? Just to gig occasionally or to

630
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 8: just work when he led a nightlight want?

631
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 2: The dilemma was hardly unique to the Stones. By the

632
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 2: late sixties, the occupational hazards of rock and roll had

633
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 2: become clear, as drugs and burnout sapped the exuberance and

634
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 2: promise from many of the decades's brightest creative lights. Brian

635
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 2: Wilson had abdicated his role as the Beach Boys sonic architect,

636
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 2: preferring to work on side projects in his home studio

637
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 2: before ultimately retreating to his bedroom. Sid Barrett departed Pink Floyd, entirely,

638
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 2: living at the remainder of his days in the leafy

639
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 2: English suburb of Cambridge. Moby Grape co founder Skipped Spencer's

640
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 2: drug abuse was so bad that he wound up in

641
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 2: a morgue after overdosing, only to scare the mortician to

642
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 2: death by sitting up, removing his toe tag and asking

643
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 2: for a glass of water. Geene and Michael Clark fled

644
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: the Birds amidst stress and bad blood, and groundbreaking side

645
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 2: rocker Rocky Erickson the Thirteenth Floor Elevators, was sent to

646
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 2: a psychiatric hospital following an on stage breakdown. In nineteen

647
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 2: sixty eight, a pre famed David Bowie befriend at Vince Taylor,

648
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 2: an early British rock pioneer who had been reduced to

649
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,280
Speaker 2: camping outside London subway stations, where he pointed out secret

650
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 2: alien bases on maps and told everyone who would listen

651
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 2: that he was the incarnation of Jesus Christ, sowing the

652
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 2: seeds for Bowie's City Stardust character and an early Fleetwood

653
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 2: Mac struggled to cope with the guitarists with a literal

654
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 2: Messiah complex, Beard and Robes.

655
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 3: And all Peter Green and Fleetwood Mac. Peter Green was

656
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 3: a great guitarist. Then they moved on Michael Bloomfield and

657
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 3: Butterfield Blues Band. And again, you know what, in order

658
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 3: to be a survivor, you often have to be a

659
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 3: son of a bitch. And Mick and Keith could do

660
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 3: this because their path was clear and the cocaine and

661
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 3: the heroine. What they were doing was making music and

662
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 3: that's all they cared about.

663
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 8: Somehow. That kept him alive.

664
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, also to living hard and Diane Young was a

665
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 6: big part of the the ethic.

666
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 8: Fast beautiful shadow.

667
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was an ethic that was revered, romantic kind

668
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 3: of thing.

669
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 2: According to Charlie Watts, Brian just wasn't equipped to handle

670
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 2: the fast living.

671
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 5: Thing that Brian was. He had a total misuse of

672
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 5: his body. Man, he didn't give a shit, you know,

673
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 5: he wasn't like Keith. He was a strong kids. Still

674
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 5: takes care of himself. But Brian had no fucking respect

675
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 5: for his bodily function at all. Unless I feeling ad

676
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 5: about Brian. Everything he did, though, was to he could drink.

677
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,720
Speaker 5: Everything he did was to access and drums on excess people.

678
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 8: But is that where the talent comes from? Too?

679
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 5: Well, his talent, Brian's talent, he do He forgot.

680
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 11: About it all.

681
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 2: So Charlie was sure that firing Brian Jones was the

682
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 2: right decision for the band. As a friend, he remained

683
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 2: haunted by Brian's end and even wondered if they were

684
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 2: in some way responsible for it.

685
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 5: I think we all destroyed Brian in what way?

686
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:05,439
Speaker 4: In what way?

687
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 5: I think he did it, And I think we took

688
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 5: it away because he'd never turn up and it was

689
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 5: his fall, you know, it was his state of mind.

690
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 5: It was what he wanted. It must have been what

691
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 5: he wanted in a very direct way. It was what

692
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 5: he wanted to do was leave, you know. He didn't

693
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 5: want those influences. And I think Mick and Keith were

694
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 5: stronger than he was, and I don't think he could

695
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 5: cope with that. He was always a star, I mean, yeah,

696
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 5: he had tremendous ego. He all, you know, Keith got

697
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 5: a terrific ego. But I meant that I saw him

698
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 5: a few days before I lived up the road for

699
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 5: me at the house he lived in was very close

700
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 5: to mine.

701
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 12: You know.

702
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 5: I loved him a lot. I could have killed him,

703
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 5: and at times he was so objectionable. It's a really

704
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 5: he was one of those blokes man that you could

705
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 5: kill and love about love at relationship. I think anyone

706
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 5: involved with Brian it was a total love a relationship,

707
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 5: but my love was was a more and the night.

708
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 2: The death of Brian Jones could have, and probably should

709
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 2: have been viewed by the Stones as a cautionary tale,

710
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 2: something that very easily could happen to any one of

711
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 2: them if they didn't keep their head and keep their

712
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 2: drug use in check. But no, the discussion of drug

713
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 2: abuse was not especially nuanced in the early seventies. Even

714
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 2: the most basic mental health concepts were largely unknown outside

715
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 2: of professional psychology circles. To the band, it all boiled

716
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 2: down to strength and weakness. Strength was what kept you alive,

717
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 2: not healthy decisions, and weakness killed you. Not addiction but basis.

718
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 2: Bill Wyman recognized the disturbing parallels between Brian Jones and

719
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 2: Keith both in terms of intake and the company they kept.

720
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 8: I talked to Keith about a lot about the mind

721
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 8: is something he said, you.

722
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 2: Know, you could see if Brian Brian was around himself

723
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 2: that people who look sitting looking at the rug one.

724
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 8: Said, are going to get and they rolled it up

725
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 8: and sold.

726
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 3: And Keith saying a hundred sam things surrounded by those

727
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 3: kind of pets.

728
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 8: And yet I don't know how good.

729
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 10: Keith has been about you know, about people who are

730
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 10: really is exciting what Keith does.

731
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 3: Jim Morrison died in a bathtub in Paris and Keith

732
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 3: kept shooting heroine. They didn't see it, you know, the

733
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 3: drug keeps you from seeing it.

734
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 2: The guy at the Palladium stage door claiming to be

735
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 2: Brian Jones was clearly a madman, but to the band

736
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 2: he seemed like a ghost one They desperately tried to

737
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 2: keep it bay. It was a reminder of what it

738
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 2: had cost to get where they were and the consequences

739
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 2: of the path they were on. How do you keep

740
00:41:54,200 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 2: your head together? Man? You don't. As the Stone's La

741
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 2: Visit continues, the concerts are seeing less is the main

742
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 2: event and more as rude interruptions of a long, continuing

743
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 2: party in the bars and big houses of Hollywood and

744
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 2: Beverly Hills. Party, Party, Party, the world is coming to

745
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 2: an end, and all the matters is where the next

746
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 2: drink is coming from the last of their two shows

747
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,280
Speaker 2: at the Forum was livened up with a special guest,

748
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 2: an amazing looking woman. The stp Tax Squad met in

749
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 2: one of the red leather hotel bars Hotelling which one

750
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 2: she insists her name is Joy Bang, and styles herself

751
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 2: in the May West tradition with caked on makeup and

752
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 2: huge false eyelashes. No one's quite sure what to make

753
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 2: of her, but she's got character, so they put her

754
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 2: in a limo and send her out on stage to

755
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 2: present Mick with a bowl of rose pedals for the

756
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 2: Street Fighting Man finale. It probably seemed like a good

757
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 2: idea at the time. The best party of the La

758
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 2: dates took place at the home of Gary Stromberg, the

759
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 2: Stone's recently anointed public relations chief. He'd been absent thus

760
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 2: far on the tour, holding it down in his Sunset

761
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 2: Strip office while his business partner Bob Gibson made the trek.

762
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 2: But road Life didn't agree with Gibson, so he tapped

763
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 2: out and Gary subbed in. Gary's recovering from a case

764
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 2: a hepatitis and was warned by his doctor not to drink,

765
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 2: not to take drugs, and to get plenty of sleep.

766
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 2: Should he fail on any of those first three, he's

767
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 2: to take a vitamin B twelve shot. Gary will get

768
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 2: a lot of B twelve shots over the next few weeks.

769
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 2: He and his condom filled with cocaine fit in immediately.

770
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 2: He heralds his STP arrival with a rager at his

771
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 2: home in the Hollywood Hills, which gets so wild that

772
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 2: he's forced to call in security guards from a nearby

773
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 2: whiskey a go go club. It was a night few

774
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 2: could forget, and fewer still could remember.

775
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 6: It was up in the Woodrow Wilson area of the

776
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 6: Hollywood Hills. I had this incredibly a miniature castle.

777
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,280
Speaker 7: I was living in. I don't know else to describe it.

778
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 6: It was handmade by this one guy who died after

779
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 6: years of building this castle.

780
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 7: It was an incredible place.

781
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 6: Anyways, we had this party there and there must have

782
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 6: been one hundred people there, and after a while it

783
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 6: just turned into a sing along where everybody was singing.

784
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 6: I had a record player playing and people would sing

785
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 6: along with the lyrics of the various songs we were playing,

786
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 6: and then Bobby Womack and Willie Weeks showed up and

787
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 6: they played, and then we all started singing. I don't

788
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 6: know how I'd all evolved, but it went on to

789
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 6: the very late hours, like four o'clock.

790
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 7: In the morning.

791
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 6: I think everybody was singing. And what eventually happened was

792
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 6: it was like the last man standing.

793
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 7: It was like what's that game you played? Musical chairs.

794
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 6: I was the last guy who could still remember lyrics

795
00:44:59,640 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 6: to end.

796
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 8: We're talking. Mick and Keith were there.

797
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 7: Mick and Keith, hell you and they're singing along.

798
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 8: They're singing harmony for you.

799
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 7: Yes, that's what it ended up.

800
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 6: And we were doing a lot of doop songs, which

801
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 6: are great for sing lungs. So my memory was that

802
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 6: the last song went on was in the still of

803
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 6: the night, and I knew all the lyrics and they

804
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 6: just sang along behind me. So I ended up with

805
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 6: a cassette because I was of a mind to record

806
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 6: this thing. Fortunately, but I've lost that cassette.

807
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 8: Gary, can you sing No? No?

808
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 6: But I'm enthusiastic about my even though I can't know

809
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 6: it's awful.

810
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:36,720
Speaker 7: Awful.

811
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 2: Gary's home had a notorious reputation even before the stp Rager.

812
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,919
Speaker 2: It was steeped in seedy, no worry lore. For most

813
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 2: up and comers in the LA music scene. This was

814
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 2: a major selling point, and Gary was no exception.

815
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 7: There was a ghost in my house.

816
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 6: The guy who built the house died in the house,

817
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 6: and I was told when I rented the place that

818
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 6: his ghost was still inhabiting house. And I mean, it

819
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,919
Speaker 6: sounds stupid because I don't believe in ghosts, but this.

820
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 7: Guy was there. There was a dinner party that I

821
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 7: had on another night where there was a noise in

822
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 7: the kitchen.

823
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 6: The kitchen was down a flight and I walked down

824
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 6: to my kitchen. All the burners on the stove on

825
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 6: four of them. Nobody that was in the house could

826
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 6: have done that had to have been the ghost. There

827
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 6: were noises that were just doors would open and stuff

828
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 6: that just were unexplainable. But it was a friendly ghost,

829
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 6: so that's what I was told. He was a friendly ghost.

830
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 6: He just wanted to make sure that you respected the property.

831
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 3: I think this is a Robert Stone really great novels.

832
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 3: Nobody knows what comes out from under the decks of

833
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 3: those houses in the Hollywood Hills that night.

834
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 6: Well, there was a spooky quality to living in Hollywood Hills,

835
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 6: that's for sure.

836
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 7: My street had no street lights.

837
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 6: You had to walk down probably seventy five stairs to

838
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 6: get to my place down at steep hillside. You'd hear

839
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 6: noises in the hills. Yeah, I was aware that it

840
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 6: was a kind of a freaky place to live. But

841
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 6: the Hollywood Hills always were the place of the people in.

842
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,720
Speaker 7: Certainly in the music business. So it was a spooky place.

843
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 3: But having lived in Tapanga for almost a year is

844
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 3: the cost of doing business. You accepted this, and there

845
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 3: were crazy people at the shopping center there. It's never

846
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 3: been any different in these canyon hills.

847
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a spooky quality to living in the hills

848
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 6: in the canyons. And a lot of the evil in

849
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 6: Los Angeles has occurred in the and a lot of

850
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,919
Speaker 6: the artistry has occurred those places too. Laurel Canyon, there's

851
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 6: a lot of all the artistry that we know of

852
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 6: and love.

853
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 8: They kind of go hand in hand.

854
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 3: They're like the dark side, light side, Maniche and the Split.

855
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 8: They're one and the same. You know, if you look

856
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 8: at it that way.

857
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 3: They feed off one another, and maybe the art is

858
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 3: a reaction to the darkness, but it's also a way

859
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:03,439
Speaker 3: of expressing it.

860
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 2: This was an era of paranoia, the anxious inverse of

861
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,439
Speaker 2: the optimism at the dawn of the sixties. In those

862
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 2: happy days, anything seemed possible. Now, after the tumult of

863
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 2: the decade, anything seemed possible. Paul McCartney might be dead,

864
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 2: why not. Jimmy, Jim and Janis were not to mention Brian.

865
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 2: The CIA might have killed the president. Why not? The

866
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 2: Pentagon papers proved the State Department was lying to us

867
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 2: about Vietnam. What else are they hiding? Maybe the government

868
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 2: would try and kill us, why not? The National Guard

869
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 2: had just shot four students to death for peacefully protesting

870
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 2: at Kent State University. Reality was just as troubled as

871
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 2: the most way out conspiracy claim. No one was sure

872
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 2: what to believe, not even the Stones. So Keith.

873
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 3: Certain theories that I always found remarkable with a completely

874
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 3: straight face, and I was not about to argue with him.

875
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 3: He explained to me that this was not the original

876
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 3: Tina Turner, that Ike had murdered the original Tina Turner,

877
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:22,760
Speaker 3: and this was well, I mean, Keith Richards is telling

878
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 3: me this, I'm not going to argue with him. That

879
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 3: was one which I found astonishing back then, and then

880
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 3: the last time I interviewed him on the phone. There's

881
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 3: no controlling Keith. Whatever the subject you begin on, you

882
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,720
Speaker 3: will not end with. He's just gonna it's all coming

883
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 3: through his mind and out of the blue, all of

884
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 3: a sudden, Keith starts speaking about.

885
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 8: I feel so bad about Phil Spectr.

886
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 2: Man.

887
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 3: Phil was in jail at that point for murder right,

888
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 3: And I said, do you want to give him a

889
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 3: cake with a file in it?

890
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 8: He said, no, man a balm okay.

891
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 2: Phil Spector was just one of the most visible Hollywood PARANOIAX.

892
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 2: Los Angeles was full of weirdos of every stripe. Their

893
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 2: presence was unavoidable. They uneasily coexisted with the beautiful people

894
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 2: and the perfectly manicured lawns and freshly polished rolls royces.

895
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 2: The two worlds scraped against one another like a psychic

896
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 2: fault line, and the rumble was palpable throughout LA.

897
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 6: There was an element of danger. I guess you could

898
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,720
Speaker 6: say it was a very volatile city. This was always

899
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 6: a city of people that lived on the fringe, you know,

900
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 6: and this were people the dreamers that came to Alley

901
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 6: was known for it.

902
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 7: You know, there was at the end of the country.

903
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 6: This was the last stop, and so there was always

904
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 6: you know, the potential for violence and craziness that existed here.

905
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 6: We had the Hillside Strangler, we had a lot of

906
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 6: darkness previous to the seventy two tour that existed in

907
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 6: Los Angeles. We've always had serial murders that found residents here.

908
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 6: So it had an element of that. But the city,

909
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 6: I mean people, you know, I was born in I

910
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 6: kind of took that for granted. You know, it was

911
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 6: surprising that not all cities had that. You could go

912
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 6: somewhere else with it, but that wasn't you know, in

913
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 6: the background, So that was sure.

914
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 7: That was the element of that.

915
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 2: The culture quake finally occurred at one oh five oh

916
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 2: Colo Drive just after midnight on August ninth, nineteen sixty nine,

917
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 2: four twenty somethings, acting on orders from Charles Manson Creepy,

918
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 2: crawled their way into the Benedict Canyon home of actress

919
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 2: Sharon Tate, the wife of Blockbuster director Roman Polanski. Once inside,

920
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 2: they murdered Tate and three of her friends, men's hair

921
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:45,879
Speaker 2: stylist Jay Sebring, Coffee Eirass, Abigail Folger, and boy ccheck Frakowski.

922
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 2: They also killed a teenager named Stephen parent stopped by

923
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 2: to visit the groundskeeper. They found him dead in his

924
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 2: car in the driveway. The butchery followed the next day,

925
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 2: when more Manson followers slaughtered middle class supermarket executive Lino

926
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 2: LaBianca and his wife Rosemary. The victims seemingly had nothing

927
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,760
Speaker 2: to do with one another. They traveled in completely different

928
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 2: socioeconomic circles and lived in totally separate parts of the city.

929
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 2: The apparent randomness of the crime, to say nothing of

930
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 2: the brutality, put Los Angeles on high alert.

931
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 3: So I was living here then I was living into Panga, right,

932
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 3: And the impact of the Manson murders were on the

933
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 3: star community bel Air Bev Hill's Hollywood stars who feared

934
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,240
Speaker 3: all of a sudden that they're coming to get us,

935
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 3: right because Sharon Tate, you know, Roman Polanski.

936
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 7: Was Bring the hairstylist.

937
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 3: This is the A list film biz celeb right, and

938
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 3: a lot of those people bailed left and came back,

939
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 3: but left you know, got out of town nervous, and

940
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 3: even once the trials were going on, a lot of

941
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 3: Charlie's people were still on the street, and he was

942
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 3: into panga.

943
00:52:58,400 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 8: You know.

944
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 3: A friend of mine would be hitching and Charlie would

945
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 3: pick him up in him.

946
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 2: Charles Manson was something of a familiar face in the

947
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 2: La music scene. He harbored dreams of being a singer

948
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,280
Speaker 2: and leached on to anyone who might further his ambition.

949
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 2: For a time, Manson lived with Dennis Wilson, the drummer

950
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 2: for the Beach Boys, who famously recorded one of his songs,

951
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,760
Speaker 2: a pairing that perfectly sums up the lightness and darkness

952
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 2: of La in the late sixties. Dennis would take Manson

953
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 2: out clubbing the Whiskey of Go Go, where he no

954
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 2: doubt rubbed shoulders with countless other musical luminaries. Neil Young

955
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 2: would later admit to knowing Manson, as did cass Elliott

956
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 2: of the Mamas and the Papas and sly Stone. Many

957
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 2: others did as well, but they understandably preferred to keep

958
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 2: that association to themselves in the wake of his arrest.

959
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 2: To them, Manson just seemed like another hippie singer songwriter,

960
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 2: but image can't be trusted. Another musical figure of the

961
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 2: era who knew Charles Manson was Gary Stromberg, unbeknownst to

962
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 2: his friend Robert Greenfield.

963
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 6: Do you know my Manson story? I produced the first

964
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:09,959
Speaker 6: Manson album.

965
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,720
Speaker 8: I Have to Leave What's it called?

966
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 7: Lie l I E.

967
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 6: I was at Universal Studios. I had this friend named

968
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 6: Phil Kaufman. He managed Gram Parsons Burn's body of kidnapped

969
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 6: the body out of the cargo. But he was a

970
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 6: very good friend of mine. He got arrested for smuggling

971
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 6: marijuana from Mexico and was thrown into terminal Island here

972
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 6: and he was a cellmate of a guy named Charlie Manson.

973
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 6: And I would go see Phil in prison and write

974
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 6: to him, and he asked if I could get him

975
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 6: some acid. So I would drop acid onto stationary droplets and.

976
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 7: Write letters to lick it.

977
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 6: They'd cut it up into segments and they would he

978
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 6: would pass it around and Charlie got his acid for me.

979
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 6: But when Charlie was out, Phil knew he wanted to

980
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:03,439
Speaker 6: get in the music business. And I was the only

981
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 6: one that Phil knew that was connected to the music

982
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 6: because I was under a contract at Universal Studios at

983
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 6: the time as a boy producer, and I had an

984
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 6: office at the Universal and they just started a record company.

985
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 6: So onto the Universal lot one day pulls Charlie up

986
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 6: in his bus with his girls. Oh really, Guard calls

987
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 6: my office and says, there's a guy here that says

988
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 6: he knows you tells me that story. Phil had told

989
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 6: me that Charlie would, you know, appreciate me helping him.

990
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 6: So I set up a meeting. Charlie comes in, brings guitar,

991
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 6: sits on my desk. He's playing music. He's just wild.

992
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 6: He's got these girls dancing around there all high. And

993
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 6: I call this guy, Russ Reagan, who was the head

994
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 6: of UNI Records. They had just started the label. So

995
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 6: there's a guy here that you know I think he

996
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 6: just listened to. He said, sure, bring him up. So

997
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 6: I went up to his office. Charlie Gunn sits on

998
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:56,359
Speaker 6: his desk, starts playing music and Russ is looking at

999
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 6: me like what is this and Jan Russ, just out

1000
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:02,280
Speaker 6: of embarrassment, says, I'll give you money to do a demo.

1001
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 7: So he set up a demo.

1002
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,399
Speaker 6: Charlie shows up in his bus with the girls and

1003
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 6: He had come to my house a few nights to

1004
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 6: prepare for this thing. And that's when I was married

1005
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 6: to Chelsea Brown, beautiful black girl who at the time

1006
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 6: didn't know, but Charlie had this whole idea that Armageddon

1007
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 6: was going to be, you know, a race war, Helter skelter. Yeah,

1008
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 6: So we did this session. They were all high on acid.

1009
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,359
Speaker 6: It was just ridiculous and I didn't know what I

1010
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 6: was doing. I'm theoretically producing it, but there was an engineer.

1011
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 6: It was just turning on and off the stuff. This

1012
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 6: stuff was terrible and there was about five songs and

1013
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 6: we stopped it and I took it up to Russ.

1014
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 6: The next day. We listened to it and Russ said,

1015
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 6: just get rid of this. This is terrible, and I did.

1016
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 6: And Charlie got really upset with me because I wasn't

1017
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 6: able to help him, and he tried to get me,

1018
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 6: you know, to try other places, and I said, this

1019
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 6: isn't me, that's not what I do, and Charlie we

1020
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:57,280
Speaker 6: just split up on bad terms.

1021
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 2: After striking out with Gary Stromberg, Manson attached himself to

1022
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 2: music producer Terry Melcher, the son of Hollywood royalty Doris

1023
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 2: Day Melcher had made a name for himself working with

1024
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 2: The Birds and Paul Revere and the Raiders. He was

1025
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 2: a good guy for a wannabe pop star to know,

1026
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 2: and Manson pestered him about a recording contract. Like Gary,

1027
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 2: Melcher held a demo session just to be polite, and

1028
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 2: then gave him the slow fade. He was fairly confident

1029
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 2: that Charles Manson didn't have what it took to reach

1030
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 2: the top of the hit parade. Some of theorized that

1031
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 2: Charlie's murderous turn in the summer of sixty nine had

1032
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 2: less to do with half baked theories of a post

1033
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 2: apocalyptic race war and more to do with his rage

1034
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 2: at the Hollywood establishment for turning their back on him

1035
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 2: and his talent. His true motive could never be determined

1036
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 2: for certain, but during the time they worked together, Melcher

1037
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,959
Speaker 2: had lived at one five O Clo Drive, the same

1038
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 2: address he told his followers to visit in August nineteen

1039
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 2: sixty nine, acting them to kill everyone inside. So we

1040
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 2: knew that Melcher had already moved out. His choice of

1041
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 2: house likely wasn't a complete coincidence.

1042
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 6: He got with Melcher that all happened after I failed

1043
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 6: him and when all of that shit went down with

1044
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 6: taits and all, he got arrested. The FBI came to

1045
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 6: me to inform me that when they had arrested Charlie,

1046
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 6: they had found a list of people that he intended

1047
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 6: to murder.

1048
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 7: And then I was on that list, and I tailed

1049
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 7: it out of town. I went to Europe and just

1050
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 7: hung out for how long a month or two how

1051
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 7: long after it, and moved around. I was just afraid.

1052
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 7: I kept I got a van and I just drove

1053
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 7: all over Europe just fearing for my life.

1054
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 8: So you knew he was dangerous.

1055
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 6: I knew there were other guys that were still on

1056
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 6: the street that weren't arrested. They were still part of

1057
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 6: the Manson movement. I mean, I knew Charlie over the

1058
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 6: course of a few months, so I knew, you know,

1059
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 6: a little bit about him, and just him getting arrested

1060
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 6: did not remove the threat.

1061
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 7: That I felt.

1062
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 6: So I just kept moving around in Europe for a

1063
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 6: while until I felt it was safe.

1064
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 7: To come back.

1065
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 3: I am speechless. I have known dary S Trumper for

1066
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 3: fifty years, never heard this. The only thing I can

1067
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 3: contribute to this and this is back to you know,

1068
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 3: everything that rises must converge. The same is true about

1069
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 3: everything that sinks. And at one point Timothy Leary found

1070
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 3: himself in solitary at fulsome prison for marijuana bus but

1071
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 3: everything aggravated by his behavior in court and being Timothy Leary.

1072
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 3: And it was a tapping on the wall and voice said,

1073
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 3: I've been waiting a long time for you to get here.

1074
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 3: Tim Manson was in the next cell. So it all

1075
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 3: kind of I don't know. I mean, what this speaks

1076
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 3: to is the outer edge of rock and roll and

1077
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 3: the insanity that always lies behind the curtain here. Yeah,

1078
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 3: you want to talk about the guy from the thirteenth

1079
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 3: floor elevators. You want to talk about Sid Barrett, you

1080
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 3: want to talk about Peter Green. I could make a list.

1081
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 7: You know, Sympathy for the Devil.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you for linking it all together, you know.

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Speaker 3: But Jagger comes to that song from The Master and

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Speaker 3: the Margarita, a book he read. You know, Jagger is

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Speaker 3: an artist, a real artist who's able to draw on

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Speaker 3: other art. But there are other people, as Gary has

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Speaker 3: just said in this quote unquote business, who are on

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Speaker 3: not just on the edge of madness, who are legit

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Speaker 3: completely crazy. We're not really off topic, because psychosis and

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Speaker 3: rock and roll is like an environmental hazard. You know

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Speaker 3: it's there, it's real.

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Speaker 2: The Stones used la as a home base while they

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Speaker 2: played gigs throughout the Southwest. The usual madness followed in

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Speaker 2: their wake. What was headline news on the first few

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Speaker 2: tour stops now seem predictable and even dull. There's street

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Speaker 2: fighting in San Diego as the kids and cops do

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Speaker 2: battle in the street. Rocks and molotov cocktails are thrown Yawn.

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Speaker 2: There's tear gas and Tucson, when hundreds of fans act

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Speaker 2: up after realizing they've been sold phony tickets by particularly

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Speaker 2: nasty scalpers. A police report is waiting for them in Albuquerque,

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Speaker 2: informing them that a major riot is feared, so three

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Speaker 2: separate law enforcement agencies are called in. Ironically, nothing much happens.

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Speaker 2: When the plane leaves after the concert that night, it

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Speaker 2: turns north for the first time, towards Denver and the

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Speaker 2: open road. There's six weeks of full throttle trucking ahead,

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Speaker 2: and there's no way of saying what's out there. California's

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Speaker 2: been good, but as Jagger says, California doesn't have anything

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Speaker 2: to do with the rest of America does it. That's

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Speaker 2: as good an assessment as any. It's its own unique place,

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Speaker 2: reflecting back your deepest fantasies, whatever they may be. But

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Speaker 2: somehow unknowable, no wonder Mickfield's so at home there for

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Speaker 2: years has provided the image of America to the rest

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Speaker 2: of the world. But it's never been the real thing.

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Speaker 2: As Mick says to Robert Greenfield as their plane takes off,

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Speaker 2: the truth of it is the tour hasn't even really started.

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Speaker 1: Stone's Touring Party has written and hosted by Jordan Runton,

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Speaker 1: co executive produced by Noel Brown and Jordan Runton, Edited

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Speaker 1: and sound designed by Noel Brown and Michael Alder June.

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Speaker 1: Original music composed and performed by Michael Alder June and

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Speaker 1: Noel Brown, with additional instruments performed by Chris Suarez, Nick

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Speaker 1: John's Cooper, and Josh Than. Vintage Rolling Stones audio the

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Speaker 1: courtesy of the Robert Greenfield Archive at the Charles Deering

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Speaker 1: mcam Library and special Collections in Northwestern University Libraries.

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