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Speaker 1: The Hunting Collective is presented by Element. I guess I

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Speaker 1: grew up on an old row. Hey, everybody, welcome to

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Speaker 1: another episode of The Hunting Collective. We're an episode Philip,

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Speaker 1: of course, of Benjamin Patrick O'Brien. Phil say hello to everybody.

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Speaker 1: Hello Benjamin Patrick O'Brien. How's it going, buddy, It's going

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Speaker 1: pretty good. Yeah, I'm gonna break some news here. We

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Speaker 1: have a new podcast engineer. Oh boy, he's an associate. Um,

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Speaker 1: oh boy. So, I mean it's up to you. He

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Speaker 1: might pop up on the show eventually. We'll see, well,

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Speaker 1: uh should we, like, how do we audition him? Since

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Speaker 1: you have is he a hunter? Does he already have

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Speaker 1: his Hunter's Safety course complete? He actually is? Yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: a he's a b J member. Um moved in from Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: He he's already ahead of me. I can. I can

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Speaker 1: already feel him filling the filling the spot in your

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Speaker 1: heart that was once occupied by me. I'm being gonna

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Speaker 1: be kicked out. How do you feel about it? You're

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Speaker 1: probably like encouraged by this development. You get a little

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Speaker 1: little lag time, You don't have to really hang around

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Speaker 1: me all that much, and you at least have a

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Speaker 1: little pressure release about the new guests. Exactly, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't have to be the the the the engineer

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Speaker 1: hunter anymore. We've got someone to do that. I fear change,

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Speaker 1: especially in this regard I've become. You've become quite the

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Speaker 1: safety blanket for me here on the show. And and

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Speaker 1: I fear this gentleman Will is going to try to

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Speaker 1: move in, and I will, I will, I will reject

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Speaker 1: his affection if he tries to. Um, yeah, I will

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Speaker 1: reject him. That makes me feel really nice. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: hope he's listening to this. It doesn't even matter. I

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Speaker 1: was to say, what's his name? But doesn't really matter

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Speaker 1: what his name. You're not. You're never going to learn

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Speaker 1: it anyway, don't. I would have come up with another

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Speaker 1: how he takes to it. Um. I actually might call

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Speaker 1: him Phil, just to see. I might ask him questions like, hey,

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Speaker 1: how's the mango doing, and see if he'll he'll play along.

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Speaker 1: If he does, he might, he might be good. If not, well,

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Speaker 1: we might have to let him, let him go. Well,

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Speaker 1: people don't know that I have absolutely zero to do

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Speaker 1: going for for this new guy. So, uh, nothing there,

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Speaker 1: but I Phil, I'm way under the weather man. I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm feeling pretty pretty low right now. I'm sorry, I

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Speaker 1: can hear it. I wasn't gonna say anything, but I'll

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Speaker 1: go ahead and sat. Yeah. Well, you know, uh what

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Speaker 1: it did do for me is remind me how much

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Speaker 1: of people care. Because we didn't launch this podcast on

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Speaker 1: reached out like where's my THHC, what's going on. I

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Speaker 1: didn't know anybody really cared that much. I thought, whatever,

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Speaker 1: it's fine, but people are really, uh really really yearning

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Speaker 1: for a little me and you, so just pump your

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Speaker 1: ego up in a little bit. Yeah, yeah, it's gonna

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Speaker 1: even even after all of the ship stories and drawings

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Speaker 1: of me. You thought nobody listened to this show. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I try to, Like, I made that up my head.

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Speaker 1: So I so because if I thought it was that

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Speaker 1: I if I end up screwing this up, yeah yeah, alright,

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Speaker 1: Well we got a lot to get to. I'm a

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Speaker 1: little under the weather, so if I don't quite get

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Speaker 1: that the words out right. Please excuse me. We'll do

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Speaker 1: our best. We have Robbie Kroger coming up. Robbie. If

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Speaker 1: you don't know Robbie, Uh, he's from a little a

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Speaker 1: He's recently, like during the pandemic and during the last

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Speaker 1: probably six to eight months, he's had some some killer

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Speaker 1: commentaries on some of the hardest issues in hunting in

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Speaker 1: He's talked about things like trophy hunting, hunting in Africa,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot going on real Briefly, Uh, Philip Weeder, hold,

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Speaker 1: I'll give you another reason to stick around with us

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Speaker 1: are we just gonna what are we gonna call this?

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Speaker 1: Because if people, you know, we have to be good marketers,

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Speaker 1: we have to call our listeners who they are. I

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Speaker 1: think we all know you love a good contest. So

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Speaker 1: what we call the th HC Hive. Maybe that's it.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's just hi T H A C. I've all right,

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Speaker 1: I feel you anyway, UM, let me think about that,

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Speaker 1: because I gotta we gotta some other contests from the summer.

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Speaker 1: We still gotta fill the prizes. Um, We've been slacking

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Speaker 1: So keep thinking about that. But anyway, Philip Weeder hold

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Speaker 1: podcasts and I heard where you finished your Hunter's Safety.

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Speaker 1: Phil As a THHC listener, I speak for myself, but

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Speaker 1: perhaps a number of the listeners, I feel confident in

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Speaker 1: as part of the hunting community. Philip um a commentary

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Speaker 1: has in his name. I only have one. It's very important.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Philip, Philip Weeder hole two ls, double L. Is

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Speaker 1: any more ship stories. Um, they have listened. They have

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Speaker 1: I I laid down to the law, and um, people

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Speaker 1: what we got here. This one is from Keaton Quinn.

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Speaker 1: He says, longtime listener, first time emailer, now This story

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Speaker 1: sex muffin. Um. She her son, she said, wasn't. We

428
00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 1: asked about how her family wasn't. She said her son

429
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,159
Speaker 1: was an entrepreneur. But and I said, well, like what

430
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. She says that he does some things

431
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 1: around the way here, which I thought, well, I'm not

432
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,439
Speaker 1: gonna ask what those things are. I'd say in northern

433
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 1: Montana that could go several directions. Yeah, you'll like this part.

434
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 1: She had a cat named Mittens and Mittens Yeah, Mittens

435
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,919
Speaker 1: had apparently gone fifteen miles north to the Missouri breaks

436
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 1: to another person's house, and found her way back to

437
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 1: the gas station twice in the last you know, year

438
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 1: or so, to Jolene's gas station. So we we said

439
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 1: she was a gas station angel. She's racking torour, she's

440
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,120
Speaker 1: sex mother, mother, It's really just one of a kind.

441
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 1: So she gave us her whole pretty much our whole

442
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 1: life story. I'm sure I'm forgetting some of the things

443
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 1: that I felt like we were there for hours, like

444
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 1: we were in some kind of time work with Jeo Line.

445
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 1: But Jolene really just gave us the gas. We're there

446
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 1: for maybe five minutes. We we learned her about her

447
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 1: entire life. She told us about all the elk that

448
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 1: we might be able to hunt around there. So we

449
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 1: got a little dope from Joe Lene for elk and

450
00:22:58,040 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 1: we were on our way. But we're like, oh man, Jolene,

451
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 1: thank you so much. She was great. I got a

452
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 1: couple of hugs from her. She wasn't really a psycho

453
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 1: bitch at all. Although when we first saw her inside

454
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 1: the glass window of her gas station, we held the

455
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 1: beers up to the window. She looked at us like

456
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,120
Speaker 1: she was gonna kill us. So I just like said,

457
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,880
Speaker 1: do you like Miller Lite? And she said yes, Um

458
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 1: and all. He said, we got cash and she said,

459
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:29,159
Speaker 1: I figured. So the relationship blossom from there. Phil. So

460
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 1: that was Joe Lene. So we pushed forward into the night.

461
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 1: After we met Jolene, we were talking about on the

462
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 1: way that we would write a song called Jolene about

463
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 1: this wonderful it's wonderful town of roy Montana and her

464
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 1: their psycho bitch queen Joe Lene. As we as we

465
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 1: were driving, we got a call from our buddy Joe

466
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:51,159
Speaker 1: Joe Ferronado Jamie formerly of this program. He was behind us.

467
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 1: He said, hey man, Um, he had decided to stay

468
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 1: in camp while we left. He said, hey man, I'm

469
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 1: right behind you. So what's going on? He said, Well,

470
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 1: we got a call from our buddies. Dad. You said

471
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,120
Speaker 1: there is a straight up blizzard coming and it's coming

472
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 1: right now. And he told us get the hell out

473
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 1: of camp, get to somewhere safe. It's a bad one.

474
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,360
Speaker 1: And they had also gotten. He had also gotten pulled

475
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 1: over by a cop who told him get off the road.

476
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 1: There's a bad blizzard coming. At this point, we didn't

477
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 1: know anything about that. We figured we're just driving home.

478
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 1: We're beating a storm. The storm is not that bad,

479
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,239
Speaker 1: no big deal, three to six inches, nothing for that

480
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 1: part of the world. When we get going as sure

481
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 1: as ship does, the blizzard get awful. Like we're going

482
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 1: down a little spot called Judith, pass through a town

483
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 1: called Jude Gap, and the snow starts blowing so damn

484
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 1: thick phil that we cannot see shit. Like I We're

485
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 1: literally going three miles an hour. I've stick on my

486
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 1: head out the window like a like a labrador a tree,

487
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: or like manga might do. And I'm looking. I'm I'm

488
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: looking at the rumble strip in the middle of the

489
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,120
Speaker 1: road to see if we're actually on a road, because

490
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: I can't tell. I can't see in front of my

491
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 1: the hood of my truck, and I can't tell where

492
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 1: the roads arts and everything else hands is just a

493
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: white out, full white out. Anyway, felt I'd like to

494
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 1: make a long story short. I feel like this is

495
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 1: a long story, but to make it shorter, we got stranded, dude.

496
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 1: We got stuck in the middle of nowhere at eleven

497
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: thirty two hours from home, three miles from the nearest town.

498
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: We got stuck. We couldn't do anything, We couldn't see

499
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: anything to move, We couldn't drive in any direction because

500
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell what was the road and what wasn't.

501
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 1: So we had to literally just park in the middle

502
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: of the road and sit there and get pounded by

503
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: the wind for hours. And we weren't sleeping because it's

504
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: so damned loud outside. We were just basically stuck in

505
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 1: maroon there. Felt like we were like lost at sea

506
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 1: or something. And so a couple of hours went by,

507
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: luckily for us to snow plow comes eching past us

508
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: and we're able to kind of sneak out behind it

509
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: and follow it back to the town of Jude. Grab

510
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: sleep all night in the with the truck run in

511
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 1: the gas station parking lot, which is incredibly uncomfortable, and uh,

512
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: we made it. We made it. And but the next

513
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: morning we stayed in our trucks still. About eight am,

514
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: finally the snow cleared enough for us to like get out.

515
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: There was an eight foot snow drift behind my truck.

516
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,719
Speaker 1: We had to wait for somebody to come plow us out,

517
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 1: and then we were able to slowly inch home once

518
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: the roads were open. But that was my adventure. Phil.

519
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: I just hear story after story on the show about

520
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 1: people having just awful hunting experiences. Even if I have

521
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: like a bad hunting experience, it'll feel good compared to

522
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 1: all these stories that yeah, I've heard. Yeah, you know,

523
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: you know, every once a while you gotta take a

524
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 1: step back and see what the direction in your head.

525
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: And we had, you know, a whole thing about wounding

526
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: game every every week's and not a short moment I'm

527
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: telling this story. Maybe maybe we should throw a few

528
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 1: positive notes in there for you, Phil, for everything that

529
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: would be great. I would appreciate that. Well, I hate

530
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 1: to tell you, I gotta get there's another story that

531
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: a few that many, actually I would say a few

532
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 1: of many people sent me. Maybe it's because we're Montana

533
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: based program, but I think also this is one of

534
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: those things that seems like it should be illegal, but

535
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: it is actually just an unethical hunt and a few

536
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: citations were issued. But let me tell you a little

537
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: story about at a white soft for springs um. This

538
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: is it's I'll tell you it's. Um. It's something we

539
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 1: should discuss and we should highlight only because it's one

540
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 1: of those things that a community of people were outraged

541
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 1: and a lot of hunters messed up big time, big,

542
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 1: big time. It's as I'm reading off of k r

543
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: T k R TV news out of great Falls. They

544
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: say an incident occurred on October twenty five, involving about

545
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: one hundred hunters. Let me repeat that, one hundred hunters. Phil,

546
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 1: Do you even know one hundred people that you would

547
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: go hunting with? Nope. I can't imagine like getting together

548
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: with your group of one hundred friends to go hunting. Um,

549
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: that seems patently ridiculous. I don't know how you would

550
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, it seems not only unsafe, but

551
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 1: incredibly ineffective. Yeah, And I don't really understand. And so

552
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: they said they these a hundred hunters were shooting and

553
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: an heard of elk in Meager County. According to Montana

554
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: Fish Wildlife in Parks, several citations were issued, but many

555
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: people are more upset about the incident itself rather than

556
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: the legal aspect. Montana hunting community is not only shocked,

557
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: but angry. To learn fellow hunters surrounded a herd of elk,

558
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 1: shooting consistently, killing fifty of them. Fwpces the incident occurred

559
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: near White so Softa Springs in a block management area,

560
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,360
Speaker 1: and FTBP says it was legal but perhaps not ethical. Now,

561
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: a block management area, if you're not aware, fill is

562
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: an area that's private land, but that the as an

563
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: arrangement with the state to allow hunting based on some restriction.

564
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: A lot of them have signed in boxes where you

565
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: can sign in, a lot of them have restrictions on

566
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: what roads you can use, whatever. But it's a it's

567
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: a really cool thing that the state of Montana does

568
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: to allow hunters access to private land, and certain situations

569
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: are Buddy Greg Lemon, there's an FWC spokespersons, but on

570
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: the show before he said, this is really one of

571
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,719
Speaker 1: those places where the line between doing what's legal and

572
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: doing what's ethical is really troubling. It's one of the

573
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: main commandments of hunter education. Phil will know this is

574
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: to know your target what's beyond it before you fire.

575
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: When you're shooting out a herd of elk, that's hardly

576
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: ever possible. The other one of the other commandments of

577
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: hunter ed is to take good ethical shots. A lot

578
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: of times when you have heard of elk running back

579
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: and forth, hunters are going to be shooting. They have

580
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: to be shooting at moving animals, which isn't frequently a

581
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: high percentage shot and results in wounding. So while it

582
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: might be legal, it's truly not ethical. He added on

583
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: ethical actions by hunters, and a circumstance like this gives

584
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: hunting as an activity a real black eye. Lemon told

585
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: the news station here that the online rumors that surface

586
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: shortly after claiming that thirty thirty to forty elk into

587
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: waste we're not true. Lemon said only one elk went

588
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: unclaimed and two were compisicated due to hunting violations. All

589
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: three of those elk were went to a food bank.

590
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: Lemon also noted that the majority of the response that

591
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: he's seen to the event was similar to the FWP

592
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: observation of the situation, meaning that a lot of hunters

593
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: were real piste off about this. A lot of people

594
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: vented their frustrations, private landowners um and everything. And fifty

595
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: elk were killed here and one, like we said, one

596
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,959
Speaker 1: was unclaimed, two were confiscated. Those three elk that weren't taken,

597
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: were donated to a food bank. UM. And that this is,

598
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: this says jeopardized in that area of the state and

599
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: probably possibly other areas of our state. UH. Landowners like

600
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: the Gult brothers who owned the famous Gult ranch are

601
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: reviewing whether they should keep their block management areas where

602
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: they should keep their deal with the state to allow

603
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: hunters onto their land. UM. And so in this case,

604
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: you know these uh, we'll call them dumbasses. We have

605
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: jeopardized the standing of of the hunting public with the

606
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: private landowners who have block management in our state. So UM,

607
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: it's it's it's hard to imagine a hundred people with

608
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: rifles surrounding a herd of elk and just firing away

609
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: until fifty of them were laying on the ground. I

610
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: can't imagine. I just can't imagine being a part of

611
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: that and not just being sickened by this, by the site,

612
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: by the action. UM. But apparently there were a hundred

613
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: people somehow that we're willing to take part in this.

614
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: There was a few violations, but the citations were where

615
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: nothing very serious. UM. Shooting from a road was one

616
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: of them. Failed to properly validate a license, which probably

617
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: meant that he didn't sign it and then using the

618
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: license from another district. But these are only three of

619
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: the fifty elks. So the other forty seven were taken legally.

620
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: So here's the thing where when I say, or somebody

621
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: on this show or this company says, do what's legal,

622
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: that it doesn't always. Uh, it doesn't always track. It's

623
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: not always something that we can count on. Um, this

624
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: was a legal situation, and forty seven legal elk are

625
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: dead and probably gonna be eaten by well who knows. Well,

626
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: guess maybe they're gonna eat a couple of these elk.

627
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: Who knows what the point of this whole thing was.

628
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,479
Speaker 1: But here's an issue where ethics comes into play, as

629
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: we often talk about on this program, and um, something

630
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: that folks should be aware of. I certainly that there's

631
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: no it's not surprising people here that I would condemn

632
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: something like this. I mean, obviously, uh, it's borderline sick.

633
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure what the motivation was. Um, I'd

634
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: like to talk to these hunters and see what the

635
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: hell is going on. But what's your what's your perspective

636
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: as a as a soon to be hunter when you

637
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,959
Speaker 1: hear something like this film, I don't know. I mean

638
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: you summed it up pretty well. Yeah, it's it's something

639
00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: that the non hunting or even anti hunting community you

640
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: will latch onto and you know, spread and it's it's uh,

641
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:10,719
Speaker 1: it really does affect the public perception of all hunters. Um,

642
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: when something like this happens, it's really selfish. And I

643
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: mean even putting the motivation aside, which you know, like

644
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,959
Speaker 1: like you said before, like even you thinking about yourself

645
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: in the situation makes you sick. Like just putting that

646
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: aside because it was legal. Um, it's just a large

647
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: scale event like this is not good for the community. Yeah,

648
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: it's it's it's tough. You know, we always arrived the

649
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: line of nobody wants to be holier on now tell

650
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: people what to do not to do. But in this case,

651
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: you know, it's really really easy to understand, um, why

652
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: this isn't right or good and why we have to

653
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: push back on this as a hunting community. You know,

654
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: whether somebody takes a certain type of photo or whether

655
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: somebody looks a certain way on on social media is

656
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: more of a preference thing, I think, um, and more

657
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: of a taste thing. But this. This is a actively

658
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: unethical act, and I just wanted to highlight it because

659
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: the gray area between those folks who said I've seen

660
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: a lot of people say this, and a couple of

661
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: people emailed into to to ask this question. Hey, UM,

662
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: if we say just do what's legal, aren't we opening

663
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: a can of worms that looks just about like this one? Um?

664
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: And what you know, what do I do if I'm

665
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 1: around somebody who does something legal that I think it

666
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: is unethical? I don't think I have an answer for

667
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: that particular question, but I will tell you that something

668
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: disagree just wouldn't go unnoticed that I was around. And so, um,

669
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: it's it's a shame, it's just and it's shameful. So

670
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: we'll keep keep you updated. Well, maybe shoot a note

671
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: to Grade Lemon and have him answer some of the

672
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: questions and some of the emails that wrote in about

673
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: this situation. And I appreciate everybody hanging in there for

674
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 1: a local story that I think has implications for hunting

675
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: ethics across the board. And so now we're going to

676
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: go to our good friend Robbie Kroger from Blood Origins.

677
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about this and many other things he

678
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: really wants to be and I think it's becoming the

679
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: voice for hunters um and why we do what we do,

680
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: much like this program tries to achieve. So I love

681
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 1: to have him in the landscape. You're gonna enjoy, Robbie Krueger, Robbie,

682
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:28,439
Speaker 1: how's it going? Man? Better than I deserve? Better than friend?

683
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: So you are you are enjoying. And by being in

684
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: a little whiskey here on a on a Tuesday night,

685
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,720
Speaker 1: Huh yep, we restocked this weekend. We're fully out of whiskey.

686
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: I was down to some some crazy bourbon moonshine that

687
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 1: my doctor gave me. Since I live in Mississippi, we

688
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: get given those kinds of things. And uh, but no,

689
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: I've got some some good whiskey back in the house

690
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: and it's just easy way to finish out the day.

691
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, well, I was just telling you. Then

692
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 1: everybody that's listening already knows. I've been under the weather

693
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: after it's getting stuck in a blizzard and I came

694
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: back and I have been pretty much. I had an

695
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,240
Speaker 1: ivy connected with hot toddies going on, so I can't

696
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: really complain about being out of the weather when it's

697
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: Netflix and Hot Toddies. You know, I wonder how much

698
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: nowadays people kids. I don't remember as I don't even

699
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: know how young I was that moment. Dad would give

700
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: us a whiskey with honey and lemon heat it up.

701
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: We must have been thirteen fourteen when we felt bad,

702
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, Yeah, that's the hot Toddy man. Yeah, whiskey, honey,

703
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: lemon juice. Put a cinnamon stick in there if you're

704
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: getting a real fancy which I do not. We do

705
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: not have fancy cinnamon sticks in Africa. We didn't. We

706
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,479
Speaker 1: didn't have it in Maryland either, but oh I guess, uh,

707
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: downtown Bosman might be doing that nowadays. Well, it's good

708
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: to have you drink a little whiskey. We're gonna we're

709
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 1: just gonna beat beat around the hunting industry and everything

710
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: that you've done. You've done a lot of amazing things. Yeah,

711
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: And I want to start by saying, um, you know

712
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: the stuff you've been doing on Instagram, particularly the videos

713
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: where you have kind of taken on, um, initially the

714
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: why of hunting with your Blood Origin series, but I

715
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: think more recently, especially I believe just kind of during

716
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: the pandemic but you can correct me if I'm wrong.

717
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: Even You've had a lot of videos where you just

718
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: kind of set the camera up and you're talking about

719
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: these these super complicated, really important topics, And I gotta

720
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: tell you, almost every time I watch it, I feel

721
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: like you hit the nail directly on the head. And yeah,

722
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: and I know there's a there's a comedian. I don't

723
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: know if you're familiar with the comedian Andrew Schultz. Uh yeah,

724
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: look him up. It's a very it feels very parallel.

725
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: He kind of He started doing a much at social

726
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: commentary comedy during the pandemic on his Instagram channel. It

727
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: became hugely popular, millions and millions of views, and it

728
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: kind of set the tone for the time, like what

729
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: are we saying? Who? Who's talking about what issues? And

730
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 1: I feel similar to what you've done on your Instagram

731
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 1: over their blood origins. So so good on you for

732
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: for wading into these topics. Man, Well, I appreciate it.

733
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 1: You know, it's as I sit you over Instagram. Yeah,

734
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: I may be the talking head that gets up there

735
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: on a Sunday now and talks about a current event,

736
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: but really this isn't Robbie Kroeger saying, hey, this is

737
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: Robbie Kroeger, right, this is Robbie Kroeger just being the

738
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: the spearhead essentially to what we're trying to do with

739
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: the origins, which is really just exposed and convey the

740
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: truth around hunting. And there's a lot of things happening

741
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: on a weekly basis that are just not truthful. And

742
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: I was just like, man, this is ridiculous, and I thought, well,

743
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: why don't we just do a simple, very simple talking head,

744
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: do a little bit of editing on it, and speak

745
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: from your heart, show that you're authentic, show that it's

746
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: not scripted, and just tackle these really complicated topics and

747
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: try and break them down into their simplest components so

748
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: that people can understand it. And really, the talking head

749
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 1: is for anyone listening to it to really take those

750
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: kernels of information, those seeds, and plant them in their

751
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: brains so that when the topic of conversation comes up

752
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: through their social media feeds, through bar conversations, through the

753
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: coffee shop grapevine, that they're like, oh, I know a

754
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 1: little bit about that topic, and they can eloquently put

755
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: a point of view across that is a little bit informative.

756
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: But also it doesn't and I think, what again, the

757
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: stance that we took with those talking heads purposefully, is

758
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: your not this brow beating, chest beating hunter. That's like

759
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: we are the greatest. It's like, hey, this is what

760
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: we see. You know. Sometimes we don't agree with what

761
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: heart and it may be going in disagreement to a

762
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 1: hunter per se, but we explain why we're in disagreement,

763
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 1: and we do it amicably, and we do it with respect,

764
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: and we do it with a little bit of reverence.

765
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,240
Speaker 1: And it seems to be as you said, it seems

766
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: to be resonating. Yeah, it's where it's working too. And

767
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: I know it takes it takes some level of bravery

768
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: to just to jump right into Man, I've been there.

769
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: There's been some pocket factor on some of those videos.

770
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, man, Any any video that I

771
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: do with about wolves, Oh my gosh, I'm just like

772
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: I tell my wife, I'm like, hey, I'm about to

773
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: a wolf video, and I'm like, there's a bunch of

774
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: crazies out there that if they just get ahold of

775
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,919
Speaker 1: the video, we may be in for a world of hurt.

776
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: But again, we try to put it in such a

777
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: way that you know, you're not really offending anyone either

778
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: on the left or the right. You're just essentially pointing

779
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: out the truth that sits in the middle. Yeah, have

780
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: you have you found yourself? You know, I certainly have

781
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: done this. I don't know instinctually or I'm not sure

782
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: how I've came to this, but I start to think

783
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: about kind of the dogma of the hunting industry and

784
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: kind of some of the worthodoxy that that lives within

785
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: our world. I like to push on that a little bit,

786
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: and I have in some ways, and I know you are. Um,

787
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: have you gotten pushedback from inside the hunting space for

788
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: taking some of these stances? Um, what do you feel like,

789
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 1: you know, generally the reaction from your peers within within

790
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: hunting or or the audience of Blood Origins. You know,

791
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: it's it's a super interesting question because I would have

792
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 1: expected a lot more. And the reason why I don't

793
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,399
Speaker 1: think we've had more of it is that, again, I'm

794
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: not expressing. Blood Origins is not a personal page for

795
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: Robbie Kroeger. That's not the point of Blood Origins. The

796
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: point of Blood Origins is to convey the truth around hunting.

797
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: For everyone, for us, for our community, and as such,

798
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: when I put forth a a piece of information, a

799
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: piece of content that I may happen to be talking about,

800
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: it's not my opinion. It's really this thing that i've

801
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's my opinion, it's my perspective

802
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: on this topic. And I come at it very neutrally.

803
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: And what I've found is because I've come at it mutually,

804
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: of the comments are respectful, comments are in favor and positive. However,

805
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: the one percent that does seem to get up a

806
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: little of their hackles and push back on me. I

807
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: think what's what has been what is becoming the norm

808
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,280
Speaker 1: in our social media space, especially in the hunting space,

809
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: is that when somebody someone says something that's a against

810
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 1: the grain of what the piece of content is saying,

811
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: people automatically jump on the comment instead of saying, man,

812
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 1: I appreciate that point of view, I appreciate the perspective.

813
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: Let me push a little bit on your perspective. I

814
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 1: want to know a little bit more about your perspective.

815
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: And then they get to push back on you at

816
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: the same time. And what you're creating is this intellectual

817
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:30,959
Speaker 1: dialogue that is amicable and respectful. Then I cannot tell

818
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: you I probably count on my hands the times that

819
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: that's happened, maybe half a dozen times, maybe a dozen times,

820
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: every single time that person has slid into my d

821
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: M S and said, Hey, I don't mean to be

822
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: an arshole. I love your stuff. I'm not trying to

823
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: be an arshole, and I say you're not. I appreciate

824
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: you pushing a little bit. I appreciate you thinking a

825
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: little bit, because that's what's missing is people. People don't

826
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: sit back and think anymore. They just accept we'll just

827
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: stop for a second and think on a specific topic

828
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: or a specific viewpoint and try to understand it a

829
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: little bit more. That's why that's where I think we're winning,

830
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: and we're winning across the board. We you know, we

831
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: pride ourselves on you know, we're not in it for

832
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,240
Speaker 1: the r o I. We're not in it for the engagement.

833
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 1: We're not in it for the followers, not in it

834
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: for the likes, and so we don't when people say, well,

835
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: what's your engagement? Myself? Right, I don't care. But the

836
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: way that I measure how how good we're doing is

837
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: when you start a empty hunting stream of consciousness on

838
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: your Facebook page where they're starting off calling you an

839
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: MF for this, m F for that, And at the

840
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: end of the time of the guy wants to d

841
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: M you because he's never had someone intellectually debate you

842
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: the way that we intellectually debated him. And then he

843
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: slides into the d M saying, Hey, I'm doing a

844
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: PhD in Africa. Can I can I throw some questions

845
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: your way to help me figure out a problem that

846
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: I'm having. Yeah, that's that's real change, man. You know

847
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: that that I I We've had so many conversations on

848
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: this program where we tend to bang on social media

849
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 1: pretty heavily and for good reason many times. But what

850
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: you're saying, I think just to note that there are

851
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: real changes that can occur, and I would agree with you.

852
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: My experience is that when you really engage someone respectfully,

853
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: even if they don't respect you in the initial commentary,

854
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: most of the time they'll admit to just wanting to

855
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: get your attention. Um and and I think then you

856
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: can it'll it'll grow into something a bit more than that.

857
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: So I appreciate the positive generally, the positive outlook there.

858
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: And and again I mean you know, someone has to

859
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: do it. And when I say bravery, I mean it

860
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,919
Speaker 1: because you know to to to walk out, to walk

861
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: into the issue of wolves. You know, at at the

862
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: moment that you did here last week on your social

863
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 1: media where people you know, the vote just went down

864
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,399
Speaker 1: and people it's you know, it's kind of hat it's

865
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: heightened sense. Um, everybody has their hackles up as you say, Um,

866
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: so you want to I want to talk about what

867
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: Blood Origins is and go through that. But I think

868
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: just because it's it's on the tip of my tongue,

869
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: your video and folks can go to at Blood Origins

870
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: and see it. But the video your commentary about um,

871
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: the ballot initiative on wolves. Can you just give us

872
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: a rundown of what you presented there. Yeah, so, you know,

873
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: we want to we're trying to be we're trying to

874
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: be current with our talking heads. So this Sunday I

875
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I was getting pushed, well, you

876
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 1: should do something around the elections, and I was like,

877
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: we don't touch politics with the ten football and because

878
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 1: and the way and people like you have to Robbie,

879
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: this is for the it's for the the good of

880
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 1: the country. I said, no, I don't, because hunters are

881
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: blue and red, hunters of purple as well, So I'm

882
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: gonna as everyone were four hunters, um, so one one

883
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: four got voted on in Colorado. And that should already

884
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: be sort of giving you sirens or ringing any bells

885
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: in your brains, because no wildlife management decision should ever

886
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: be left up to the public perception. It could never,

887
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: should never be left up for the public ballot. But

888
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: that's what happened with wolves, and that they don't know

889
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: the actual legal mechanisms and how much it took. But

890
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: obviously a petition went around. They had to get a

891
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: certain number of signatures in that petition, and by getting

892
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: that they were allowed to put this decision on the ballot.

893
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: And the decision really came down to whether or not

894
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: the folks of Colorado would vote the Commission of Parks

895
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: and Wildlife to put a plan in place to reintroduce

896
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 1: and manage wolves. And it's not just a plan, and

897
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: in reading it it may look like that, but when

898
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: you go down into the details, it's actually a plan

899
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: and a carrying out of that plan by December thirty

900
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: one three, So in three years time, I have to

901
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: do a bunch of things. They have to address that

902
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: the public which is where the key points of hunters

903
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 1: and hunting and ranching are going to have to be seen,

904
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 1: and they're going to have to be heard, and they're

905
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: gonna have to be addressed. That's part of the plan.

906
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: They have to address public comment. They also have to

907
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: address the economic impacts of the reintroduction on the state

908
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: of Colorado. Um the other very interesting thing that they

909
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: have to do is they have to evaluate the economic

910
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: impacts of it of no introduction, So they have to

911
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: do both economic analyses. Interestingly enough, and I did not

912
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: put this in my talking head and I should have,

913
00:48:53,920 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: is obviously Colorado has voted to have legal marijuana and

914
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 1: that is a huge windfall for funding in the state

915
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: of Colorado. So one of the arguments that US as

916
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: hunters and hunting community will make is that wolves will

917
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 1: have a significant detrimental economic impact on the state of

918
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: Colorado in terms of conservation, the licenses and all the

919
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: stuff that we know goes along with it. But the

920
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: state of Colorado more than likely has enough money now

921
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: two backfill that lack of funding because of a lack

922
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: of hunting. So I don't think that there's not going

923
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,280
Speaker 1: to be money available. I think there would be because

924
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: obviously Colorado is in a very unique position then most

925
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: other states. And so the ballot passed thirty votes, so

926
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: it goes forward. Yeah, and that's I think a lot

927
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: of us. You know, when I looked at that, I

928
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 1: really did think, well, it seems like this is going

929
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 1: to pass. And again this gets into a lot of

930
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 1: the population dynamics, and as you said, with the hunting community,

931
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 1: even UM and outdoor recreationists and the outdoor economy, it's

932
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: it's very red some places, very blue in some places,

933
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: and and many times, like many ballot initiatives or many elections, UM,

934
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: places like Denver, you know, dominate the conversation, dominate the

935
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 1: ballot initiative. UM for sure in ballot box. UH. Biology

936
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: is something that just goes against, as you well know,

937
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: our North American model wildlife conservation. This is not how

938
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: we managed. So do you you know when you think

939
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 1: of the future of this UM, where does it where

940
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: does it go? In your opinion, do you feel like

941
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 1: we're we're headed down UM, We're obviously in my opinion,

942
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: headed down the wrong road with this. But is there

943
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 1: something to be done within the public comment period and

944
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: then the three year plan. But three years, I'll had

945
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 1: to make that plan, Um that that will be good

946
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: for wolves and for these ecosystems and trophic cascade and

947
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: all these other parts of the puzzle with wolves. So

948
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: I think I'll hit a couple of things that I

949
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: think are a detrimental. One is the precedence that has

950
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: been set, the precedents that wildlife management can go to

951
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: the to the ballot, to the vote. I think that

952
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: that precedence is dangerous. I think that other states, and

953
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 1: and and and and other anti hunting organizations are probably

954
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: the same. Anti hunting organizations are going to see that

955
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: as a windfall, and I'm going to push that in

956
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,879
Speaker 1: other states. So that precedence is very dangerous, if not

957
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: already causing, gonna have to it's gonna since they create

958
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: some very sticky situations in other states. Yeah. One fourteen,

959
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: in fact, is the is the first time voters have

960
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: made this call to reintroduce an animal ever history of

961
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: our country. Um, that's definitely Colorado, And I was just

962
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: looking it up. I just looked it up just to check, um,

963
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 1: And you know, the vote was split between those big

964
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: urban areas we talked about Denver, Boulder, Colorado Springs, those

965
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: were the votes that pushed this over the edge, um

966
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: to reintroduce. So it's this is this is a tough thing,

967
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: and this I think if we continue to see this,

968
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,720
Speaker 1: we're in trouble. Um. You know, wildlife management is in trouble.

969
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: We have a system in place that is sound, that

970
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 1: has been sound, that has worked. Um. Not saying that,

971
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that the reintroduction of wolves in any

972
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: case should always be argued against. I think there's some

973
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: dogma within the hunting industry that needs to be challenged there.

974
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,919
Speaker 1: But um, we we've definitely looked at it on this show,

975
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: where you know that it's a complicated issue no matter

976
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: where it happens, especially out the back door of my

977
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: house here Yellowstone. We've seen it. And so it's tough

978
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 1: ballot box biology. If if that is what we're going

979
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: to see, and as you said, if the precedent stands,

980
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: we are in trouble. Well, it's it's sad. All you know,

981
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 1: your land grund institutes of this country, the ones that

982
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 1: have the wildlife fisheries departments that have are essentially the

983
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: backbone of wildlife science for their their respective states. The

984
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 1: graduate students, the undergraduates that are coming out of those

985
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: departments wanting to become the resource managers that the biologists

986
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 1: for the state. That would you know, when I was

987
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 1: a professor at Mississippi State, I used to tell my kids,

988
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: I said, the reason I take this job so seriously

989
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: and I want you guys to learn is because you

990
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: guys will be managing my resources for me and my

991
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 1: kids and my grandkids one day. Well, that job, that

992
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: idea of being in charge of resources has essentially been

993
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 1: stripped from them and has been turned over to people

994
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 1: who wouldn't ever interact essentially in that landscape. You talked

995
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,919
Speaker 1: about the urban populace driving home the vote, Well, that's

996
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 1: not where the wolves are gonna go. They're going to

997
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: go west of the continental divide um. You know, maybe

998
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: a vote limited to the west of the Continental divide

999
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 1: would have shown a much different scenario in terms of

1000
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: it's populoust, it's popular opinion on whether a vote a

1001
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:16,760
Speaker 1: vote four wolves or against wolves, was it was even necessary? Yeah,

1002
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: that's that's will continue to happen. I think this is

1003
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: this dynamic both politically and just like you said within

1004
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: the population, and most of these states, pretty much every

1005
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 1: state I've lived in save Montana, has been has been

1006
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 1: primarily read throughout the rural areas, but controlled politically and

1007
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 1: in elections and these initiatives by this the urban centers.

1008
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,280
Speaker 1: And I think that's we saw that in our presidential election,

1009
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 1: and we see that um throughout. But you know, proper

1010
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: and fourteen does stipulate. I know that ranchers are going

1011
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: to be compensated for any livestock they lose. I've had

1012
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: experiences with wolves in my hunting spots here in Montana,

1013
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: killing livestock. And I've got to look at the aphis,

1014
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: trappers and the government and agencies that get involved here.

1015
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: And so I wonder how many people in Denver, in Bowler,

1016
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 1: in Colorado Springs understand the dynamics here, um, the elements

1017
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: of cohabitation, and as you said, I mean those you know,

1018
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: it seems almost traite in a way to say I

1019
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: want to give these ranchers, we're gonna compensate you. We're

1020
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: clearly gonna put uh you know, so wolves back on

1021
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: this landscape and they're clearly going to kill your cattle.

1022
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,800
Speaker 1: But we're gonna we're gonna compensation, you don't worry. Um,

1023
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: that just can't be enough for those folks. There's gotta

1024
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: be more to it. So I do hope in the

1025
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: in the months and years ahead that that we can

1026
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: get some clarity and a plan can be built and

1027
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: and Colorado can even though the ballot box biology just

1028
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: can't stand. Um, maybe we we can get a good

1029
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 1: result here and use this as a way forward. Um.

1030
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 1: Because to be clear, do you know, do you feel

1031
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 1: like the dogma within hunting is anti wolf or is

1032
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: there more nuanced to it than than don't kill my elk,

1033
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,399
Speaker 1: don't kill my cattle? You know? Where do you feel

1034
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: like we stand as a community there? Well, let me

1035
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:05,399
Speaker 1: before I answer that question, I want to be sure

1036
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: that I wasn't too negative on the whole one one four,

1037
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: and that the positive aspect of it is that there's

1038
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: still a very much a rigorous public comment period, and

1039
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: there's very much a semblance of a viewpoint being heard

1040
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: and having to be reconciled with, which will be the

1041
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 1: ranches and the hunting community in Colorado. So that is

1042
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 1: one very positive point. The other very positive point is

1043
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 1: the fact that wolves are gonna you know, hopefully we'll

1044
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 1: be delisted. Uh, and so those those management strings will

1045
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: be lifted from the state of Colorado to be able

1046
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: to do the things that they that they need to do.

1047
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: I did see yesterday that two of the big anti

1048
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: hunting organizations are planning to sue the government on that

1049
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: day listing um. But I don't think that'll it'll work.

1050
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: I think that they've gone past the rule. But again

1051
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: I don't know much of the evil authorities there and

1052
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 1: how that actually works. Um to your question about the dogma,

1053
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: I think again, just like everything in this world right now,

1054
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: is that you are. You have a split camp people

1055
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: that hate wolves, and rightfully so right I've had so

1056
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,919
Speaker 1: many people reach out to me and comment about I've

1057
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: seen what it's done in Montana. I've seen what it's

1058
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: done in Idaho. You don't want to go there, Like

1059
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: there is a significant I haven't seen the data, but

1060
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: there's in terms of perception, significant decrease in Elk and

1061
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Speaker 1: Meal Deal populations because of wolves being in those areas.

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00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: That's the truth, right, That's that's you don't need science.

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00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: You don't need data too. If someone's been hunting the

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00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: same area for fifteen years and things have slowly gone down.

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00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: Doesn't take much to understand what's going on. Um I

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00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: will I will say that. UM, so go ahead, and

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00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: sorry to interrupt you continue. No, I just wanted to say,

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00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: but the other side of you know, hunters is being educated,

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00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: you know, in terms of ecology and ecosystem management and

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00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: realizing that there's a place for alpha predators just like

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00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: a mountain lion and wolf. But I think that's where

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00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: the big butt is and that's what I pointed on

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00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: the video is that management is the key right, being

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00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: able to manage h and being able to manage specific

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00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: populations in specific areas for specific reasons. And so if

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00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: it's going to be managed for elk, then there's going

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00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 1: to be a larger harvest quota on wolves. If it's

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00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 1: being managed for balance, then there's not so but that's

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00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: whildlif management agency decision that is typically driven by the

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00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: tax paying public of that said state. Yeah, then there's

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00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: a lot of there's a lot of the stakeholders here.

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00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: You got like as we mentioned ranchers, you have the

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00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 1: Native American community h hunters. Of course, um and I

1084
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: just I agree with you this is these are real stakeholders.

1085
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: These are people that are really dealing with these issues

1086
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 1: and wrestling with him. And we've had I've had Dr

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00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: Vlarious Geist on the show. And the first time he

1088
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: came on the show. The first time he came to

1089
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: the show, he was he's a rapidly anti wolf and

1090
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 1: talked about predator pits and having seen with his decades

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00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: of study, I mean, he is almost replete with with

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00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: knowledge on this subject that he felt that, um, and

1093
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: and and it's hard to argue with Dr hilarious case

1094
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,919
Speaker 1: that wolves are a scourge to the landscape. And and

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00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 1: I got a lot of a lot of commentary around

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00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 1: that from conservationists and everyone the first time. Then he

1097
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: came back the second time and did and and clarified

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00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: it a bit in terms of feeling like exactly what

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00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: you just expressed, which was intelligent intervention. You know, wolves

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00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 1: do belong in the landscape. I believe that our company

1101
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: here at Media to believes that, um, we do believe

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00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: they belong in the landscape in some shape or form,

1103
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 1: but only if we're allowed to consider all the factors

1104
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: at play and and not treat them as if we

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01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 1: we need to put them on the landscape and then

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01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 1: leave them alone as as somehow nature will balance you

1107
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: know nature. You've probably heard or seeing wolves. Wolves do not.

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01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: They don't have a governor when it comes to what

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01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: they kill and how they kill. I've seen it. I

1110
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 1: know it, and and that is that's that's uh, something

1111
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 1: that might not be quite clear to the folks that

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01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: are voting here. I was just looking, Uh it looked

1113
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: like the vote was one million, four hundred and twelve thousand,

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01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: five hundred and seven to one million, four hundred thousand

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01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 1: and four hundred thousand to eight to zero. So I

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01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 1: mean it was close as close as it could possibly get,

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01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 1: which to your earlier point, man, maybe that's just shows

1118
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 1: where we are as a country. We're pretty damn divided

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01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 1: on almost everything. Yeah, that's so, it's it's crazy. But

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Speaker 1: you know this, this reminds me too of another thing

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Speaker 1: I you've talked about, and I know we mentioned anti hunters.

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01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 1: We've had some some vegans and some animal rights activists

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01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 1: on this program, and something that has struck me, you know,

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01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 1: and I think it does transition well from the wolf

1125
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 1: topic is is there's just a lot of folks out

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01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 1: there who who don't quite display what I believe objectively

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01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: as an understanding of the natural world, and they might

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Speaker 1: call themselves vegans or animal rights activists. I've tried to

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01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: go out personally and and find some of the top

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01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 1: folks in the animal rights space and try to, you know,

1131
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: suss out what they're really what the angle is. Is

1132
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 1: there something I can learn? I generally found that there isn't. Um.

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01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: It's been tough, kind of funny sometimes, um, but compelling.

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Speaker 1: On the last Dude, So you you've discussed this, You've

1135
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 1: thought about this. You know, blood origins is something that

1136
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: discusses the why of hunters through other people's perspectives. But also,

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01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 1: like you said, you've you've turned to these other issues.

1138
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 1: Do you feel, um that the anti hunting movement itself

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01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 1: is a it's not a monolith. But how would you

1140
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 1: describe anti hunting as as a thought process and something

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01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 1: that you would address, you know, to to your followers

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01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 1: or to anybody who would listen on Instagram. That's a

1143
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 1: that's a good question, um, and I'll answer it. The

1144
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 1: swift anti hunters are like hunters, very much a minority,

1145
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 1: but they don't sound like a minority. They sound very

1146
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 1: very loud. And the reason they sound sound loud is

1147
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 1: because they have a bunch of celebrity mouthpieces that somehow

1148
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 1: have hooked into the rhetoric. And my biggest, my biggest

1149
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 1: pet peeve in this world right now is that people

1150
01:02:52,920 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 1: can see hunting dying all over the world, and we

1151
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 1: have celebrities ourselves that hunt. And you will be surprised

1152
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 1: ben of the celebrities that hunt, the biggest names out

1153
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 1: there hunt. But are they willing to say something about it? No,

1154
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 1: because it's not cool. But how about, you know, we

1155
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 1: try and make it cool. How about they say something

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01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 1: that's a little bit less, you know, I go out

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01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 1: and kill something. Rather it's this is why I go

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01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 1: do it, which is the whole point of that origins.

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01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 1: We all of a sudden, then we can have our

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Speaker 1: own army and our own cheerleading squad or celebrity mouthpieces. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I devolved from what you were saying, but it's the whiskey.

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01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 1: I'll say this. This is what I say. If an

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01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 1: anti hunting comes on and starts running rhetoric, we've we've

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01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: we typically give them two strikes or three strikes. We'll

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01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 1: we'll try and be even killed in the response. If

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01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 1: they still don't understand the choose to understand it and

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01:03:57,800 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 1: choose to listen. We'll do it again, and we'll do

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01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 1: it again. After that we're done, will delete the post

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01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 1: or will bannd the person doesn't whatever it is, because

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01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, when it comes down

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01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 1: to voting, when it comes down to the ballot boxes,

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01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 1: there is a set of anti hunters on the left,

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01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: there's a set of hunters on the right, and they's

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Speaker 1: just call it. We know it's not that, but it

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01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 1: could be. And there's a six block in the middle,

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01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 1: and it's block in the middle that is keeping us

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Speaker 1: in our lifestyle, in play, and that's pretty much general

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01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 1: across the world, and that's who we speak with. That's

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01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 1: who we need to talk with. That is the people

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Speaker 1: that we need to convince. And here's the critical thing

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01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: about the six that I believe is also true. Is

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01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 1: willing to reason. The six has a little bit more

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01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 1: intellect to them and is willing to listen. And they

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01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 1: also have a very very very good bullshit me now.

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01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 1: And they can tell when you're being authentic, when you're

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01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 1: being genuine, or when you're just flat out you know, lying,

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01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 1: And they help poke questions that you to test you.

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01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 1: So that's our approach. That's our approach. It's worked thus far,

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01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 1: it seems to be working in our social media spaces, um,

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01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 1: and that's what we're gonna That's what we're gonna do.

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01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 1: And I think again, the type of content that we

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01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 1: created Blood Origins is it's very great content. It's very

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01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 1: even killed content. It's very digestible content to specifically to

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Speaker 1: that six because that's what we build Bood Origins for.

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01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 1: We didn't build it for you and me as a hunter. Yes,

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Speaker 1: hunters are getting something out of it. They're watching us.

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01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 1: And again, that's the other thing that is blowing my

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01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 1: mind is how many people are watching us. They don't

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01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 1: necessarily follow us, but they watch us. I think you're

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01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 1: one of them. You watch us, You see what we do.

1201
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 1: It comes across your feet and so places, and people

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01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 1: watch how we interact with people. They watch our rhetoric,

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01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 1: they watch our narrative. And I think that that is

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01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 1: the most important thing that is coming across to people

1205
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 1: is that there's a new way to tackle issues, in

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01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 1: a new way to speak, in a new way to

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01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 1: portray things in a new storyline. And they it's again,

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Speaker 1: it seems to resonate. Yeah, the reson is with me. Um.

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01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 1: You know, I'm a fan of it. I think that

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01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 1: you know, I'm proud to be a part of of

1211
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: what I would deem just a new space in the

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Speaker 1: hunting world where we can do these things. And and

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Speaker 1: I'm proud to have folks like you and modern huntsmen.

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01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 1: And I mean I could go down the list of

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01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 1: all the people that I think are really deliberate about

1216
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 1: this stuff and and are proud of it. And I

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01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 1: think that is a huge part of it. And one

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01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:51,480
Speaker 1: thing we talk about here a lot, and I'd love

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Speaker 1: to hear your take on this, because I know you'll

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01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 1: have a good one, is that what do you think

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01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 1: the question is if you talk about that six if

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01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 1: you could oiled down the one question they have for

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01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 1: us as hunters, what what would that question be? I

1224
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: know that's a that's probably a tough one to boil down.

1225
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 1: But is there something that you've a refrain you've heard

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01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 1: from from agnostic individuals in this case, I think it's

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01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 1: the standard one that anti hunters use, which is that hunters,

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01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 1: you enjoy killing and that's why you hunt. Yeah, that's

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01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 1: a stronger or that's a stronger piece of rhetoric, Like,

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01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,240
Speaker 1: there's no rhetoric that we have that's pro hunting that's

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01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 1: as strong as as that is in the anti sense.

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01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 1: I think we have several rhetorics that are equally as strong.

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01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 1: I think the conservation rhetoric is strong. I think the

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01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 1: benefit to communities is strong. I think the benefit to

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01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 1: people's mental health is strong. Just those three things are

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01:07:57,160 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 1: as equal to that rhetoric. The problem is m and

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01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 1: this is something we're starting to tackle, and it came

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01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 1: out of COVID as well, is that people started saying

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01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 1: to me on those specific three things. Okay, we use

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01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 1: the word, we used the phrase hunting is conservation. You

1241
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 1: have used it right. What if somebody says, prove it,

1242
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 1: then prove it. Show me proof. Show me proof in Africa,

1243
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 1: show me proof in Argentina, show me proof in Spain,

1244
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 1: show me proof in Australia, show me proof of how

1245
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 1: someone's mental state changed. How about video recording? Someone UM

1246
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:40,639
Speaker 1: that said, and I can use this because he's he's

1247
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 1: told me this. UM I wouldn't tell his name. But

1248
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 1: someone who comes up to me and says, Robbie, I

1249
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 1: had a pistol in my mouth. Three years ago, and

1250
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 1: if it wasn't for hunting, I wouldn't be here today.

1251
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 1: How do we captured that story front and center, full

1252
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:02,559
Speaker 1: of emotion, full of passion, full of authenticity, and deliver

1253
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 1: it the way that we deliver it. That's proof right there.

1254
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:11,160
Speaker 1: You can't argue with someone's heart. That's the proof. And

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01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 1: we've unfortunately shied away from it. And our story has

1256
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 1: not been around this is going to get me into trouble.

1257
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 1: But that's a story has not been about mental health,

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01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 1: spiritual health, conservation, feeding kids, rural kids, you know, changing

1259
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 1: people's lives across the world. That has not been our

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01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 1: rhetoric in the hunting industry. The Rhetorican hunting industry is

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01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:43,839
Speaker 1: how quickly can we kill something? With the industry marketing

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01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 1: beast mentality, uh stuff. That's what we focused on in

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01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 1: the last twenty five years. And there's this Why would

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01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 1: you question where we've landed today when someone's rhetoric against

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01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 1: us is hunting all about killing? Okay? I get it

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01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 1: when I look at everything. I get when you say

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01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 1: that didn't we Yeah, didn't we just fall right into

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Speaker 1: that trap? You know? They would? Are we still falling

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01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 1: into it? You know, it's it's a hard that's a

1270
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 1: hard thing to measure. But I can tell you when

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01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 1: I am as a kid that that's what I saw,

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01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 1: and that's what the media was, and that's what was

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01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 1: presented to me as a young man was real tree,

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01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 1: monster bucks. No offense to real tree, but kills and

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01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,720
Speaker 1: twenty five minutes or whatever they would do, you know,

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01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:32,599
Speaker 1: And that's it was all big bucks, all the time,

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01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:35,599
Speaker 1: and that's what would get you a claim. And that's

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01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 1: so that's kind of that became a bedrock of the

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01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 1: hunting culture. And so when the anti hunter said you're

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01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 1: all about killing, it's all about ego, it's all about

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01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:47,639
Speaker 1: the game, like winning the game, like quality of hunting,

1282
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 1: you know, getting the high score in the video game

1283
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:53,599
Speaker 1: of hunting. They weren't wrong about that, right, I mean

1284
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 1: from your perspective, you know, you grew up in an

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01:10:56,479 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 1: entirely different place. But but did you see that from

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01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:02,639
Speaker 1: a young age or did you know because I didn't

1287
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:04,759
Speaker 1: grow up around hunting. I grew up in a city

1288
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 1: like Los Angeles. Johannes's Books of Africa eight and a

1289
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 1: half million people. So if you had asked me as

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01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:12,960
Speaker 1: a seventeen year old what hunting was. One I couldn't

1291
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 1: have told you because I wasn't exposed to it, which

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01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 1: is almost the reason why I built that origins because

1293
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:21,720
Speaker 1: of that non exposure. And Two, I didn't have a

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01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 1: perspective on it. I was in that sixty percent brackets.

1295
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:26,920
Speaker 1: Just like my wife here in America, if didn't have

1296
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 1: a perspective un hunting. She didn't care about hunting, but

1297
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:33,240
Speaker 1: she did care when something came front and center about hunting,

1298
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:37,919
Speaker 1: which sued her perspective on what hunters are and who

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01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 1: and what they represent. Yeah, well I loved that we

1300
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 1: should we should hit on your story because I've seen

1301
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:45,639
Speaker 1: some of the content you made about your own story.

1302
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 1: And and I'll tell you, man, when I remember when

1303
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:49,519
Speaker 1: I first met you, I want to say, was that

1304
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:52,200
Speaker 1: a trade show or something? So many of the trade

1305
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 1: shows during my YETTI years, and I could just feel

1306
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:55,720
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know who this guy is,

1307
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 1: but I can feel his passion. I don't know what

1308
01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:01,600
Speaker 1: he's gonna do with it, but it seems he's like

1309
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 1: he's infectious. I'm not sure where he's what direction he's going,

1310
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:08,759
Speaker 1: but it's going to be something. Well, and I knew

1311
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:19,040
Speaker 1: um I knew it for sure. Your your story, I

1312
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:23,200
Speaker 1: think is emblematic of of your own content too, because

1313
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 1: growing up in a place where you weren't exposed to hunting,

1314
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:30,600
Speaker 1: but now decades later, hunting is what you do. It

1315
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:33,000
Speaker 1: is a huge part of your identity in your life

1316
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 1: and your business and your day to day. So give

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01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 1: people kind of the you know, the transformative story of

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01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:41,920
Speaker 1: not having that and then today being so immersed in

1319
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 1: what we do. You know, I didn't grow up hunting.

1320
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 1: I didn't know what hunting was, but my my blood,

1321
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 1: my my blood origins essentially was steeped and hunting heritage.

1322
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 1: My grandfather was born in in Russia in nineteen twelve.

1323
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:00,840
Speaker 1: As he said in one of his stories, he grew

1324
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 1: up in the two wildlife paradises that this world had

1325
01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 1: to offer in the last century. One was northern China,

1326
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 1: sort of Mongolian stepe, Siberian tiger. He's the only person

1327
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 1: that I know. I'm not that well read, but he's

1328
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 1: the only person I know that's hunted pheasants white. He

1329
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:24,160
Speaker 1: had pheasants in tibet Um. He hunted that in the

1330
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:28,639
Speaker 1: thirties and forties and went through multiple revolutions and World

1331
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:31,559
Speaker 1: Wars and whatnot, and then decided to move his entire

1332
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:36,600
Speaker 1: family too um Portuguese East Africa at the time in

1333
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 1: the fifty four now Mozambique, and then lived the heyday

1334
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:42,320
Speaker 1: of African hunting in the sixties and seventies until revolution

1335
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 1: hit there. My graham, my father, grew up as a

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01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:48,960
Speaker 1: sixteen year old, as a teenager, really in hunting camp

1337
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 1: with my grandfather. And then I guess you know what's

1338
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 1: interesting is everyone talks about you know, hunters are supposed

1339
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 1: to be the best story tellers in the world. And

1340
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 1: you would have thought sitting in Africa and a barbecue

1341
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 1: or brie we called it outside and father their grandfather there,

1342
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:07,879
Speaker 1: he would have they would have regaled us some stories

1343
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:11,120
Speaker 1: of them, you know, and their antics out of the bush.

1344
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:14,640
Speaker 1: I honestly, we didn't get a single fireside story from

1345
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 1: my grandfather my father growing up. And I think the

1346
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 1: reason was is that they realized that that paradise that

1347
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 1: they experienced was gone. It was gone out of Mozambique,

1348
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:26,680
Speaker 1: and obviously in South Africa it's very difficult to do

1349
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:29,600
Speaker 1: because there's no public land essentially, and so I just

1350
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:31,679
Speaker 1: didn't get exposed to it and there was nothing wrong

1351
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 1: with it. I didn't feel like I was missing out

1352
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 1: or anything. I had. I've got a trip, a treasure

1353
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:39,639
Speaker 1: trope of stories written by my grandfather, and I've got

1354
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:42,639
Speaker 1: trophies from my grandfather, and I've got a two seventies

1355
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:45,559
Speaker 1: Saco that he used for planes game here in the States.

1356
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 1: Fast forward, I fell in love with swamps and wetlands

1357
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 1: as a sixteen year old and did a Bachelor of

1358
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:57,600
Speaker 1: Science and environmental conservation biology, a Master of Science and

1359
01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 1: wetland ecology. Came to the States to Mississippi actually to

1360
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:11,080
Speaker 1: study aquatic by geochemistry as a PhD student from Johanna's Mississippi. Yeah,

1361
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 1: so it's really funny people. If I had a dollar

1362
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 1: every time someone said that, or at least I would

1363
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:19,840
Speaker 1: have been able to didn't have to get like two

1364
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:23,719
Speaker 1: or three jobs as a PhD student in Oxford. But yeah,

1365
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:25,800
Speaker 1: if you had asked me, like where Mississippi was in

1366
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 1: the States, I couldn't have told you. I couldn't have

1367
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 1: told you it was a coastal state. I just knew

1368
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 1: New York was in the east, California's on the west,

1369
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 1: and Missippy was somewhere in the middle. But yeah, it

1370
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 1: was all divine intervention in terms of how I landed

1371
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:44,040
Speaker 1: here and who I worked under. And um, I've got

1372
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:47,720
Speaker 1: a PhD essentially, and as I said, acquatd by geochemistry,

1373
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:50,680
Speaker 1: but it was mainly tied with water quality and agriculture

1374
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 1: and wetlands. Um that met my wife in Oxford. She

1375
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:00,080
Speaker 1: was doing a PhD in eighteenth century Gothic literat just

1376
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:04,760
Speaker 1: so she's way more intelligent than I am. And google's

1377
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 1: every day how she plans to kill me for a

1378
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 1: book obviously, Um, and yeah, he just and I just

1379
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 1: at that time, I had some friends, some some redneck

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01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:22,680
Speaker 1: friends and you know, typical Mississippi. How you want to

1381
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 1: go hunting? I was like, yeah, I'd love to go hunting.

1382
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:26,759
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, here's the gun. Here's a launcher

1383
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:29,600
Speaker 1: cur under the tree. If something walks by, shoot it.

1384
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, sounds good. And uh, I fell

1385
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:35,840
Speaker 1: in love with it. I fell in love with the

1386
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:41,600
Speaker 1: whole you know, camaraderie aspect of it. And there was

1387
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 1: some sort there was a certain bloodlust associated with it.

1388
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:45,880
Speaker 1: Obviously in the young age, because I was, you know,

1389
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:48,360
Speaker 1: twenty five years old experiencing what a twelve year old

1390
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 1: boy in America typically goes through and I fell in

1391
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:56,800
Speaker 1: love with it and finished my PhD. You got a

1392
01:16:56,840 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 1: professorship at Mississippi State University. Move my family there had

1393
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:07,879
Speaker 1: two boys, and then the BP the BP oil spill happened,

1394
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 1: and I was asked to be the chief scientist of

1395
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:14,360
Speaker 1: that council that was born out of the BP oil

1396
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 1: spilled to stand up a restoration framework from Texas to

1397
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 1: Florida in terms of how essentially a billion dollars was

1398
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:23,439
Speaker 1: going to be spent utilizing the best available science as

1399
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:30,800
Speaker 1: well as marrying politics into the whole framework. Um. And

1400
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 1: so that's what lended me where I lived today. I

1401
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 1: living based in Lewis, Mississippi, and I work as the

1402
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:38,080
Speaker 1: chief scientists for a small consulting company essentially doing that

1403
01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 1: work for the state of Mississippi. And in that time

1404
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 1: I got more and more and more interested in hunting

1405
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 1: because as I was, as I was maturing, I had

1406
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:52,559
Speaker 1: more resources, I got to know more people, and just

1407
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:55,599
Speaker 1: the idea of hunting different things in different places started

1408
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 1: exciting me. And I also was raising two boys that

1409
01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:03,800
Speaker 1: I just ready is keen on its introducing them to

1410
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:06,600
Speaker 1: what this this thing was that I missed out on.

1411
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:08,920
Speaker 1: And I think that's the crux of the matter is

1412
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:11,360
Speaker 1: that I was like, Okay, I want my boys to

1413
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:15,400
Speaker 1: know what it means to hunt. I want my boys

1414
01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:20,760
Speaker 1: to really think deeply about this exercise of hunting, and

1415
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 1: they could have easily fallen into the trap. And not

1416
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:27,280
Speaker 1: that it's a bad trap, but your narrative of what

1417
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 1: you train the next generation of hunters is based on

1418
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:33,400
Speaker 1: who you are and what you think about hunting. And

1419
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:35,680
Speaker 1: if you don't think about hunting too deeply and you

1420
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 1: just think of it as a a blood lust and

1421
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 1: you're still in that space, then that's what you're gonna,

1422
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 1: you know, teach your kids, and that's how your kids

1423
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 1: are going to be raised in Again, I'm not I'm

1424
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 1: not down in that. I can't down that because I

1425
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:54,920
Speaker 1: was there and and that's just part of hunting um.

1426
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:57,120
Speaker 1: And so at the time, I just started thinking more

1427
01:18:57,160 --> 01:18:58,800
Speaker 1: and more about it, and I was like, Okay, I

1428
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:01,080
Speaker 1: need to figure out this for myself. So I started

1429
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:04,760
Speaker 1: looking around the space of you know, where can I

1430
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 1: get this information? Where can I hear from other hunters

1431
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:11,040
Speaker 1: about like why do they do this? And I couldn't

1432
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:15,800
Speaker 1: find it, you know, Stephen Ronella was just he had

1433
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:18,080
Speaker 1: just hammered on me either, I think at the times

1434
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 1: as five six years ago, and um Shocky had just

1435
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 1: I think started uncharted. Those the only two really pieces

1436
01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 1: out there that I could I could really feel um

1437
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:33,120
Speaker 1: and the other thing I was I had also come

1438
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 1: into my faith at the same time, and I was

1439
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:39,759
Speaker 1: really exploring my my, my, my faith as a Christian.

1440
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 1: And there was this project. I don't know if you've

1441
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 1: heard of, this project called I Am Second, and I

1442
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 1: Am Second is just as beautifully filmed testimonial project around

1443
01:19:54,360 --> 01:20:00,200
Speaker 1: famous people, unknown people on their why essentially but a

1444
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:05,640
Speaker 1: while being a Christian, and it just filmed beautifully and

1445
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:09,640
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's short, and it pulls you in

1446
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:12,000
Speaker 1: and you just resonated with the story of The one

1447
01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:14,240
Speaker 1: story that I watched the first and I'd still recommend

1448
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:16,479
Speaker 1: people go watch it today is Josh Hamilton's the Picture

1449
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,639
Speaker 1: of the Texas Rangers, and I can still remember him

1450
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:23,840
Speaker 1: in his interview saying he was obviously Josh Hamilton's story.

1451
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:25,920
Speaker 1: Both his parents died in a car accident that he

1452
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 1: was in, and he became a druggie and an alcoholic,

1453
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:31,519
Speaker 1: and he was lying in bed. He was living at

1454
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:33,400
Speaker 1: his grandmother at the time. He was lying in bed

1455
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 1: and he was having this dream that he was fighting

1456
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:38,200
Speaker 1: the devil and it was just fighting, and he kept

1457
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 1: getting knocked down, he kept fighting back, and he just

1458
01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:42,600
Speaker 1: knew that he was never going to win. And he

1459
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:45,560
Speaker 1: woke up and he went and climbed into his grandmother's

1460
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:47,280
Speaker 1: bed at twenty six years old, saying, and I sleep

1461
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 1: with you tonight. And it just was just And I

1462
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 1: watched that then, probably nine years ago, and I still

1463
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:58,120
Speaker 1: remember it, that's how much it impacted me. And I

1464
01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 1: was like, Man, I want that for Hunt. I want

1465
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 1: people to resonate with people's stories that they can see

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01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:06,800
Speaker 1: themselves in the story, they could feel that person's story,

1467
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:09,600
Speaker 1: that could feel how authentic and genuine that story is.

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01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 1: And so I decided to build it. I'm not a cinematographer.

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01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 1: I'm just I have a vision for what I want,

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01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:21,599
Speaker 1: and as you figured it out, I'm a pretty determined individual. Yeah,

1471
01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 1: And I can tell that for the first time I

1472
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:26,559
Speaker 1: met you, man, I was like, Wow, um, this guy's

1473
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 1: gonna punch a hole for the through the industry wall

1474
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:32,559
Speaker 1: here and see what happens. Because but it's inspiring to

1475
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:37,720
Speaker 1: hear you talk about, you know, wanting to see that

1476
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:40,720
Speaker 1: reflected in the hunting community and not and then not

1477
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:43,800
Speaker 1: being there because I had a similar kind of I

1478
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:45,640
Speaker 1: don't know what you would call it epiphany or a

1479
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:48,000
Speaker 1: kind of experience. And I had been in the hunting

1480
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:51,960
Speaker 1: industry for half a decade, six six seven years, and

1481
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:54,760
Speaker 1: I had just never found myself, and I would I

1482
01:21:54,840 --> 01:22:00,200
Speaker 1: found myself kind of like molding into what the thing

1483
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:02,479
Speaker 1: wanted me to be, you know, what the industry wanted

1484
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:04,080
Speaker 1: me to be, the way they wanted me to talk,

1485
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:05,519
Speaker 1: the way they wanted me to look what I had

1486
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:08,599
Speaker 1: to wear, and I just at some point I thought, Man,

1487
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 1: this isn't you know, this isn't the way that I

1488
01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:14,040
Speaker 1: can move through this, and I've got to do it

1489
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:16,280
Speaker 1: my own way. And it sounds like you you kind

1490
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 1: of had the same, you know, the same feeling. I

1491
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:21,639
Speaker 1: like you. You said like he used the word feeling,

1492
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:27,479
Speaker 1: because hunting until recently never had much feeling to it,

1493
01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 1: you know, never had much emotion to it other than

1494
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:34,360
Speaker 1: like I killed a big buck emotion. Well, those things

1495
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 1: that we're not supposed to be vulnerable, then we're not

1496
01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 1: supposed to be emotional. We're not supposed to be passionate

1497
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:42,760
Speaker 1: in that in that sense, um, all the things that

1498
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 1: aren't typically sexy, we're not supposed to be transparent, all

1499
01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 1: the things that typically on sexy for the industry was

1500
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:51,400
Speaker 1: what I wanted. It was the ninety nine percent that

1501
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 1: we had forgotten. And you know, honestly, it's it's again

1502
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:59,920
Speaker 1: I think the Lord's fingerprints on anything. But those initially

1503
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:03,600
Speaker 1: years of me when I met you at A T

1504
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:06,519
Speaker 1: A and and all the others, and I was just like,

1505
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:08,000
Speaker 1: I said, Okay, this is the way that I need

1506
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:10,280
Speaker 1: to do. I need to meet all these people and

1507
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:12,720
Speaker 1: I'm going to do the typical industry thing and I'm

1508
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:14,680
Speaker 1: going to get all these sponsorships, and that's how it's

1509
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:19,920
Speaker 1: going to work. And because we were so new, it

1510
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:21,840
Speaker 1: was almost like, and you can, you can tell me

1511
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 1: if this is true or not, but I think it

1512
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 1: is true. It was because we're so new, everyone was like, oh,

1513
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:28,599
Speaker 1: that's a great idea, but we've heard a thousand of them,

1514
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 1: so it sounds great, go do and come back and

1515
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:38,639
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. I'm not I'm not a I'm

1516
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:43,320
Speaker 1: not a you know, do your time dues kind of guy.

1517
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:46,760
Speaker 1: If if it's a good idea jump on board kind

1518
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:49,280
Speaker 1: of deal. But I understood now you know why the

1519
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:51,479
Speaker 1: dudes and the time needed in terms of was just

1520
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 1: just needed to prove yourself and and and honestly it

1521
01:23:56,240 --> 01:23:59,679
Speaker 1: was for the best because the more that we've matured

1522
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:02,720
Speaker 1: and large and it's the more that we've realized that

1523
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 1: blood origins doesn't belong to anyone. Blood origins belongs to us,

1524
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:14,240
Speaker 1: belongs to you, belongs to your boy, belongs to the

1525
01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 1: people of the hunters of Colorado, the non hunters. It

1526
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:21,479
Speaker 1: doesn't belong to a yetti, it doesn't belong to a

1527
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:23,679
Speaker 1: weather be it doesn't belong to a queue, it doesn't

1528
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:28,360
Speaker 1: belong to any industry partner. And so we've purposely just

1529
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:31,479
Speaker 1: stayed away from it. We haven't received any money from anyone.

1530
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:35,640
Speaker 1: And what we do is we have this year, specifically,

1531
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:37,880
Speaker 1: we have turned ourselves into a Fiber one C three,

1532
01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:42,360
Speaker 1: so we are in a federal nonprofit and now we

1533
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 1: can get the generous donations of you know, philanthropic individuals

1534
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:48,880
Speaker 1: that see what we do and what we're doing and

1535
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:50,280
Speaker 1: how we're doing it, and they said, we love what

1536
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:53,960
Speaker 1: you're doing, Robbie. We want to support you. M. Yeah,

1537
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:56,320
Speaker 1: what a beautiful way to look at things. And again

1538
01:24:56,439 --> 01:25:00,120
Speaker 1: too to just do it your own way, U to

1539
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:02,800
Speaker 1: create a path and not have to And I I

1540
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:05,439
Speaker 1: feel you man, having been in a position, having been

1541
01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:09,280
Speaker 1: in both positions. One to have this marketing budget that

1542
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:12,559
Speaker 1: felt like more than a marketing budget. It felt like,

1543
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:16,720
Speaker 1: you know, there's opportunities I could hand people, you know,

1544
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:20,479
Speaker 1: and that responsibility. I don't know that I always had

1545
01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:23,840
Speaker 1: an eye on how much that meant um until it,

1546
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:26,479
Speaker 1: you know, until I moved on from it. But you know,

1547
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:29,360
Speaker 1: the same same way now is is I have this

1548
01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 1: program and I work for a corporation and then you know,

1549
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 1: meat eat or ink and they have sponsors and and

1550
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:39,639
Speaker 1: things that they want to do. They are so awesome

1551
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 1: to me and let me, you know, talk to you

1552
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:47,719
Speaker 1: and say whatever the hell I want most times. Um.

1553
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 1: But but in today's media age, within hunting and without

1554
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:56,600
Speaker 1: to have somebody like you who one has the expertise

1555
01:25:56,960 --> 01:26:02,760
Speaker 1: from a conservation level, from an ecologic level, to to

1556
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 1: have also the freedom of thought, the freedom to say

1557
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:09,439
Speaker 1: what you want to say because you're passionate about what

1558
01:26:09,479 --> 01:26:11,880
Speaker 1: you're saying, not because it's gonna get you more money,

1559
01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:14,920
Speaker 1: not because you're gonna be rich and famous, not because

1560
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:17,479
Speaker 1: it's gonna up your engagement, but because you know, and

1561
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:20,160
Speaker 1: hopefully people can hear this, and as you describe this

1562
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:24,040
Speaker 1: in your voice, I can like, this is what the

1563
01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:27,519
Speaker 1: world needs a whole ship ton more of in my opinion, Um,

1564
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:31,520
Speaker 1: because everybody has a voice, but everybody's voice is sponsored

1565
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:35,599
Speaker 1: by some other entity. And the influences on our speech

1566
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:40,080
Speaker 1: are can are very profound, um and have a huge impact.

1567
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:42,800
Speaker 1: And that that remains true for hunting. What we can

1568
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 1: and can't say is governed by how much we want

1569
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:48,880
Speaker 1: to put ourselves out there to get beat up, because

1570
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:51,519
Speaker 1: corporations don't like people that say whatever they want and

1571
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:54,839
Speaker 1: get you know, have people cancel them on the internet

1572
01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:57,120
Speaker 1: and have people pissed at them, and they receive emails

1573
01:26:57,160 --> 01:26:59,640
Speaker 1: you know, oh my gosh, Ben O'Brien voted for this

1574
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:03,280
Speaker 1: person and he said this, or Robbie said this, And

1575
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:07,200
Speaker 1: so to see see the path that you've taken, Um,

1576
01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:09,920
Speaker 1: it's important man. And and for those that want to

1577
01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:13,759
Speaker 1: get in the industry like you should be willing, like Robbie,

1578
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:18,920
Speaker 1: just explain take your lumps um, because it could it

1579
01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:21,599
Speaker 1: could lead to something really cool and really great. So

1580
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:23,479
Speaker 1: you know, I guess I say all that to say

1581
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:25,760
Speaker 1: kudos to you man for for sticking it out and

1582
01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 1: continuing to do and what you're doing well, I appreciate it.

1583
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:32,280
Speaker 1: And it's funny, you know. In in the reason We're

1584
01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:34,479
Speaker 1: five or one c three, my wife told me, I

1585
01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:36,599
Speaker 1: think two years into the process. We're only four years

1586
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:41,479
Speaker 1: into the process. Um, two years and she was like, hey, Robbie,

1587
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:44,240
Speaker 1: I appreciate if I could get a savings account back

1588
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:51,320
Speaker 1: for the house. Um, and uh so I had to

1589
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 1: start looking for money. But again I didn't want to

1590
01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:57,800
Speaker 1: tire myself to two industries per se. And so I

1591
01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:01,080
Speaker 1: did start doing like some interview type work for people.

1592
01:28:02,240 --> 01:28:06,720
Speaker 1: And even then I belonged to someone, and so I

1593
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:08,760
Speaker 1: would interview someone and I would come up with this

1594
01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:11,200
Speaker 1: like this is what it looks like and this is amazing,

1595
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:13,800
Speaker 1: and I'd send it off and it would come back

1596
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:17,920
Speaker 1: and go, it's too short. I'm like, what do you

1597
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:21,640
Speaker 1: mean it's too short? It's like everything he said in

1598
01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:24,240
Speaker 1: the most succinct way, and it's so punching. Now we

1599
01:28:24,280 --> 01:28:27,839
Speaker 1: wanted at least four minutes. And even at those points,

1600
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:31,800
Speaker 1: I'm just like that's not what I'm doing. This is,

1601
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:35,559
Speaker 1: that's not why I do this. I don't you know,

1602
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 1: I just do what we do. And so anyway, I

1603
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:41,120
Speaker 1: say that to say that I appreciate what you said. Um,

1604
01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:44,000
Speaker 1: we don't want to we don't want to belong to anyone.

1605
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:46,760
Speaker 1: Cheers cheers to that. I'll take a drink of my

1606
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:49,280
Speaker 1: whiskey too. I'm having a little templeton rye over here.

1607
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:54,880
Speaker 1: I think I had nough creek. Um. Yeah, I mean,

1608
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:57,600
Speaker 1: I think this is an important topic too, because I

1609
01:28:57,680 --> 01:28:59,800
Speaker 1: know that you'll get that. You get I'm sure you

1610
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:01,400
Speaker 1: it's I guess I don't know, but I'm sure that

1611
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:04,760
Speaker 1: you get this. And I get this quite often where um,

1612
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:08,920
Speaker 1: whether it's somebody who's a youngster, or somebody who's up

1613
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:11,559
Speaker 1: and coming, or somebody who's who's had another career, and

1614
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:13,400
Speaker 1: once they get in the hunting industry, people ask you

1615
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:17,280
Speaker 1: on what is the thing, what do I have to do? Um?

1616
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:20,240
Speaker 1: What can I do? And I and I always just

1617
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:23,240
Speaker 1: this is something I've I've developed Lately's like, man, I

1618
01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:26,080
Speaker 1: really appreciate people that don't try to fit a mold,

1619
01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 1: that don't try to be what they think the world wants.

1620
01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:33,360
Speaker 1: Them to be as hard as that is. Sometimes sometimes

1621
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:36,519
Speaker 1: it is hard to just say I believe this, I

1622
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:39,920
Speaker 1: think this, I have faith in God. I like I

1623
01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:43,320
Speaker 1: believe in climate change, or I don't or this, like

1624
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:48,479
Speaker 1: those some of those really tough issues. Uh, maybe I

1625
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:52,000
Speaker 1: got a problem, but I think those are where we really,

1626
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:57,400
Speaker 1: uh find interest and and so yeah, I think have

1627
01:29:57,520 --> 01:29:59,840
Speaker 1: you had conversation with folks or it's like, you don't

1628
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:02,640
Speaker 1: have to fit into this model, you don't have to

1629
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:06,320
Speaker 1: fit into what you see elsewhere. You can chart your

1630
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 1: own path. You know, it's interesting you say, I don't. Gosh, honestly,

1631
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:14,280
Speaker 1: I don't think we've had anyone reach out to us

1632
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:17,280
Speaker 1: to ask us that question. And I think the reason

1633
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:22,320
Speaker 1: is this is that you've got to remember blood origins.

1634
01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:24,920
Speaker 1: Though I'm again and I've said this to you a

1635
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:26,920
Speaker 1: couple of times already, and I know I texted it

1636
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:29,120
Speaker 1: to you. I'm just the guy pushing the stone up

1637
01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:32,960
Speaker 1: the mountain. Then this project is not about Robbie Kroeger,

1638
01:30:33,479 --> 01:30:35,600
Speaker 1: and so I don't think that's I think that's the

1639
01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:39,439
Speaker 1: reason why we haven't had individuals come to me say

1640
01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:41,040
Speaker 1: how do I get into the industry, Because I don't

1641
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:43,879
Speaker 1: think people see me as in the industry. Quote unquote,

1642
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:46,559
Speaker 1: I don't see myself as in the industry. All I

1643
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:52,559
Speaker 1: see myself is is a storyteller telling hunters stories, the

1644
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:58,320
Speaker 1: proof around hunting, the truth around hunting. And I don't

1645
01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:00,439
Speaker 1: want to tell my story. That's not the point. My

1646
01:31:00,479 --> 01:31:02,920
Speaker 1: story was episode one, season one, that's the last time

1647
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:07,160
Speaker 1: you saw Robbie Kroeger. From then on, it's being about us.

1648
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:10,200
Speaker 1: So that's why I don't think we get the whole.

1649
01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:12,599
Speaker 1: How do I get in? What do I do? Kind

1650
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:15,599
Speaker 1: of think because they see us as a they see

1651
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:17,400
Speaker 1: us as an entity, right, they see us as this

1652
01:31:17,479 --> 01:31:21,719
Speaker 1: nebut this sort of cloud. I guess this organization, this,

1653
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:26,600
Speaker 1: this platform that, And that's what we've done. And I

1654
01:31:26,640 --> 01:31:31,519
Speaker 1: think we're very we are very flexible, we are very nimble,

1655
01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:33,519
Speaker 1: and I think that's where Blood origins, is that it's

1656
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:36,800
Speaker 1: best is that we are able to tackle subjects that

1657
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:40,720
Speaker 1: come up very very quickly, like the task situation in

1658
01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:43,519
Speaker 1: New Zealand. We were able to. And this is what

1659
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:47,680
Speaker 1: I pride myself in. I think I have I have

1660
01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:50,920
Speaker 1: an ability to connect with people, and I have an

1661
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:54,280
Speaker 1: ability to create relationships with people without them even speaking

1662
01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:56,599
Speaker 1: to me over the phone. And so when the task

1663
01:31:56,640 --> 01:32:00,200
Speaker 1: situation occurred three days before the opera operational plan was

1664
01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:03,720
Speaker 1: to go into place, I've had three or four conversations

1665
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:07,680
Speaker 1: with very high ranking individuals in the hunting industry in

1666
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:09,880
Speaker 1: New Zealand about what the situation was and where it

1667
01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:13,320
Speaker 1: was going. I even got access to the draft operational

1668
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:16,960
Speaker 1: plan that nobody in the United States could get their

1669
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:21,880
Speaker 1: hands on. Now let me say that again, nobody. You've

1670
01:32:21,880 --> 01:32:24,280
Speaker 1: got a You've got a South African living in the

1671
01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:26,479
Speaker 1: coast of Mississippi that was able to get the draft

1672
01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:30,400
Speaker 1: operational plan of the Department of Conservation in New Zealand.

1673
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:34,559
Speaker 1: Nobody else could get it. And that's the beauty about

1674
01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:40,280
Speaker 1: lad origins. As we're building this relationship community around the world,

1675
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:44,680
Speaker 1: that all we're doing is creating an opportunity for their

1676
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:48,679
Speaker 1: voices to be heard. And that's where we're going. It's

1677
01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:51,240
Speaker 1: just this, this platform is just getting bigger and bigger

1678
01:32:51,280 --> 01:32:54,920
Speaker 1: and bigger. And this week, for instance, this is this

1679
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:57,240
Speaker 1: is the culmination of a lot of work this week.

1680
01:32:57,320 --> 01:33:00,680
Speaker 1: But this week we've on Monday wed up a we

1681
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:04,160
Speaker 1: call them this is my wives, and which is I

1682
01:33:04,240 --> 01:33:07,680
Speaker 1: can't be everywhere and tell everyone's story the way that

1683
01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:11,439
Speaker 1: we like to tell the origins. I just can't. But

1684
01:33:11,560 --> 01:33:15,960
Speaker 1: everyone has cell phones, everyone has cameras all around the world.

1685
01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:19,479
Speaker 1: So once you just turn it on yourself and send

1686
01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:23,160
Speaker 1: me your video. And that's what we've done. And we've

1687
01:33:23,160 --> 01:33:25,639
Speaker 1: got very strict guidelines of what we do to make

1688
01:33:25,680 --> 01:33:28,360
Speaker 1: it look the way that we want. But Monday we

1689
01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:32,680
Speaker 1: dropped the girl from Finland. Today we dropped actually from

1690
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:37,040
Speaker 1: New Zealand, who is a vegetarian that hunts. Tomorrow we're

1691
01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:42,639
Speaker 1: dropping a knife maker from Victoria, Australia. Thursday we're dropping

1692
01:33:42,680 --> 01:33:48,200
Speaker 1: a ferret from the United Kingdom, and Friday we're dropping

1693
01:33:48,479 --> 01:33:55,840
Speaker 1: a outstanding transplant Norwegian in the state of Wyoming. That's

1694
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:58,720
Speaker 1: a that's a tapestry, man, that's a quilt. That is

1695
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:02,320
Speaker 1: that's the tapestry of unting in Nobody thinks about it,

1696
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:05,920
Speaker 1: nobody sees it, nobody feels it. Now all of a sudden,

1697
01:34:05,960 --> 01:34:09,440
Speaker 1: you're hearing these voices from around the world speaking your language.

1698
01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:13,280
Speaker 1: Somebody's sitting in Backwards, Idaho listening to Ashley from New

1699
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:15,720
Speaker 1: Zealand speak about hunting the way that he or she

1700
01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:20,800
Speaker 1: speaks about hunting. Well, not speaks thinks about hunting. Have

1701
01:34:20,920 --> 01:34:23,000
Speaker 1: you listen a question that just strikes me. I didn't

1702
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:25,320
Speaker 1: really think about asking you this, but I like it

1703
01:34:25,439 --> 01:34:27,519
Speaker 1: just strikes me and hearing you talk about this, I

1704
01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:31,559
Speaker 1: wonder have you thought about it? We we've we've broached

1705
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:34,760
Speaker 1: the issue of gender and race and hunting on this

1706
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:39,080
Speaker 1: podcast a few times. UM. It's been fraught, as you

1707
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:44,200
Speaker 1: would imagine. UM. I always try to think of this

1708
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:48,240
Speaker 1: as people want to see themselves reflected in hunting. And

1709
01:34:48,280 --> 01:34:51,759
Speaker 1: I think that's what you're describing here with your with

1710
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:55,519
Speaker 1: with with that initiative, have you thought about, you know,

1711
01:34:55,680 --> 01:35:00,240
Speaker 1: female hunters, African American hunters. Have you thought about how

1712
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:04,200
Speaker 1: it is we can we can move the football I

1713
01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:06,640
Speaker 1: guess the football down the field in this case the

1714
01:35:06,680 --> 01:35:12,559
Speaker 1: American football. UM, how we can kind of improve how

1715
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:17,600
Speaker 1: we think about, you know, inclusivity and this diverse landscape

1716
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:23,479
Speaker 1: of hunters. I think that there their voices have to

1717
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:27,880
Speaker 1: be heard. UM. We purposely from the get go, I

1718
01:35:27,960 --> 01:35:32,760
Speaker 1: wanted diversity in blood origins. I wanted to show the

1719
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:43,519
Speaker 1: diversity of ethnicity, UM, religion, race, nationality. UM. I think

1720
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:46,519
Speaker 1: it just takes time to to to get that bubble

1721
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:49,000
Speaker 1: out there. You know, the industry again, we backed ourselves

1722
01:35:49,080 --> 01:35:54,360
Speaker 1: into a corner. Not that it was maybe called itself imposed,

1723
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:59,200
Speaker 1: but I don't think anybody was purposely making it Midwest

1724
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:04,280
Speaker 1: and white male as the face and thought. And this

1725
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:06,719
Speaker 1: is what hunting is supposed to look like. It just happened.

1726
01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:10,720
Speaker 1: But you know, we've got we've you know, we've had

1727
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:17,000
Speaker 1: African Americans on the origins. We've got a phenomenal episode

1728
01:36:17,080 --> 01:36:21,400
Speaker 1: that's coming around Thanksgiving, which is an African American male

1729
01:36:21,400 --> 01:36:25,160
Speaker 1: out of Nashville, Tennessee hunting for the first time, and

1730
01:36:25,200 --> 01:36:27,920
Speaker 1: he talks about himself as Hey, I'm not supposed to

1731
01:36:27,960 --> 01:36:31,559
Speaker 1: do this. I'm an urban African American. I'm not supposed

1732
01:36:31,560 --> 01:36:35,080
Speaker 1: to hunt. That's for white folks. But that's what he

1733
01:36:35,120 --> 01:36:40,160
Speaker 1: wants to do. Um female hunters, the diversity of female hunters,

1734
01:36:40,240 --> 01:36:45,240
Speaker 1: not just pretty girls, but girls from all across you know,

1735
01:36:45,280 --> 01:36:53,880
Speaker 1: the entire spectrum. Um, you know, lesbians, gaze, they're all hunters. Democrats,

1736
01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:58,160
Speaker 1: Republicans are all hunters. And I'm not going to bias

1737
01:36:59,080 --> 01:37:02,000
Speaker 1: anything to me. That just makes our voice even stronger.

1738
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:05,200
Speaker 1: And we've got a couple of people of all those

1739
01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:08,759
Speaker 1: demographics that are laid out to you, you know, lined

1740
01:37:08,840 --> 01:37:11,559
Speaker 1: up essentially ready to tell their stories, and it's just

1741
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:16,439
Speaker 1: a matter of getting around to telling their stories. It's

1742
01:37:16,439 --> 01:37:18,400
Speaker 1: not an easy answer. I know that wasn't a great

1743
01:37:18,439 --> 01:37:21,360
Speaker 1: answer to your question. That was a great answer man.

1744
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:24,800
Speaker 1: To me, it's just getting their voice out there, like

1745
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:29,000
Speaker 1: you know, being able to see people of color on

1746
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:31,880
Speaker 1: you know. I don't know if it will be TV

1747
01:37:32,280 --> 01:37:36,120
Speaker 1: because TVs, we all know, TV is probably dying very quickly.

1748
01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:40,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. But to us, all I can control

1749
01:37:40,120 --> 01:37:46,920
Speaker 1: is blood origins, and blood origins will continue to showcase

1750
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:51,800
Speaker 1: the diversity. And I'll just say, of everything, of of

1751
01:37:52,240 --> 01:37:57,599
Speaker 1: of of everything. Yeah, I think it's you know, if

1752
01:37:57,680 --> 01:38:01,120
Speaker 1: hunting can become a mirror for people, you know, for

1753
01:38:01,160 --> 01:38:04,000
Speaker 1: people to see themselves, you know that that I think

1754
01:38:04,040 --> 01:38:07,559
Speaker 1: that's ultimately the best we can do. And to your point,

1755
01:38:08,439 --> 01:38:12,360
Speaker 1: I would completely agree. We we're in the position we're in.

1756
01:38:12,439 --> 01:38:17,600
Speaker 1: You know, we're mail on this program, white male. I

1757
01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:21,599
Speaker 1: think it is um that's not intentional, but we certainly

1758
01:38:21,640 --> 01:38:25,240
Speaker 1: can start by by acknowledging that and saying, hey, we

1759
01:38:25,240 --> 01:38:30,519
Speaker 1: we have to um move this forward. We can't sit

1760
01:38:30,720 --> 01:38:34,280
Speaker 1: we can't sit around and stew on what where we

1761
01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:37,320
Speaker 1: are currently, just like this this country has done throughout

1762
01:38:37,320 --> 01:38:40,600
Speaker 1: its history. We have to move forward with pride and

1763
01:38:40,720 --> 01:38:45,360
Speaker 1: move forward with conviction. We know, Um, I think your

1764
01:38:45,400 --> 01:38:48,840
Speaker 1: story personally shows people, and I think mine as well.

1765
01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:53,040
Speaker 1: It just shows people that hunting. There's something about hunting

1766
01:38:53,120 --> 01:38:57,760
Speaker 1: that that converts people to this full on passion for

1767
01:38:57,800 --> 01:39:00,920
Speaker 1: the worldview because it brings in so much right, it

1768
01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:03,160
Speaker 1: brings in so many other passions and so many other

1769
01:39:03,200 --> 01:39:07,720
Speaker 1: knowledge bases, and so great relationships with people. Um. And

1770
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:11,400
Speaker 1: so that passion that you have and that I certainly have,

1771
01:39:11,680 --> 01:39:15,519
Speaker 1: that we share is in itself, I think an important

1772
01:39:15,520 --> 01:39:18,760
Speaker 1: thing to recognize. Like, you know, people love skiing, but

1773
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:20,280
Speaker 1: do they love skiing as much as you and I

1774
01:39:20,280 --> 01:39:22,640
Speaker 1: love hunting. I'm not sure. I'd probably say no. I

1775
01:39:23,200 --> 01:39:26,200
Speaker 1: don't know, haven't met everybody that skis, But hunting just

1776
01:39:26,280 --> 01:39:30,479
Speaker 1: has a certain pull to it for me. I think

1777
01:39:30,479 --> 01:39:32,960
Speaker 1: to your question, one of the things and we've actually

1778
01:39:33,160 --> 01:39:35,800
Speaker 1: I haven't thought about the answer like you asked me too,

1779
01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:39,320
Speaker 1: but we have thought about how we do it. And

1780
01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:42,360
Speaker 1: one of the things that we've we've built implood origins

1781
01:39:42,439 --> 01:39:46,559
Speaker 1: is this mechanism about which we can implement one of

1782
01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:48,479
Speaker 1: the one of the reasons why we're going to stay

1783
01:39:48,640 --> 01:39:51,200
Speaker 1: very numble and very flexible that we can implement conservation

1784
01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:55,240
Speaker 1: We call them conservation projects, but really the documentaries there,

1785
01:39:56,280 --> 01:40:01,519
Speaker 1: resource specific projects there, you know, community as hunter enrichment projects.

1786
01:40:02,120 --> 01:40:03,840
Speaker 1: But one of the projects that we're putting on this

1787
01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:08,320
Speaker 1: late in and I'm working on fundraising for it, is

1788
01:40:09,280 --> 01:40:14,320
Speaker 1: I want to have a pool of money in which

1789
01:40:14,720 --> 01:40:20,640
Speaker 1: we because the social media space, especially on Instagram is

1790
01:40:20,680 --> 01:40:24,600
Speaker 1: such a dynamic space and the tentacles of who you

1791
01:40:24,720 --> 01:40:29,080
Speaker 1: interact with is outstanding. You know, you felt it, everyone's

1792
01:40:29,120 --> 01:40:32,160
Speaker 1: felt it. It's an amazing little community. And when you

1793
01:40:32,200 --> 01:40:35,840
Speaker 1: can harness the power of that community, wonderful things can happen.

1794
01:40:36,600 --> 01:40:39,000
Speaker 1: So we obviously have a lot of people that we

1795
01:40:39,080 --> 01:40:41,880
Speaker 1: interact with. Number one, we have a lot of outfitters

1796
01:40:41,880 --> 01:40:44,040
Speaker 1: and people that have private land and we interact with.

1797
01:40:44,920 --> 01:40:47,120
Speaker 1: So we want to have a pool of money by

1798
01:40:47,160 --> 01:40:52,519
Speaker 1: which when people get touched by a non hunter, whether

1799
01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:57,080
Speaker 1: it's a black guy, female, whatever it is, we want

1800
01:40:57,320 --> 01:40:59,880
Speaker 1: the people of our audience and our community and us

1801
01:41:00,080 --> 01:41:03,479
Speaker 1: year to know that immediately they reach out to us

1802
01:41:04,640 --> 01:41:08,240
Speaker 1: and say it's California and an urban guy out of

1803
01:41:08,280 --> 01:41:12,439
Speaker 1: all a has reached out to someone and has said

1804
01:41:12,960 --> 01:41:16,400
Speaker 1: I'm interested in hunting. I see that you hunt. Immediately

1805
01:41:16,439 --> 01:41:19,040
Speaker 1: they turned around to us and they say, hey, we've

1806
01:41:19,080 --> 01:41:21,880
Speaker 1: got someone. We obviously do the vetting, We do all

1807
01:41:21,880 --> 01:41:23,439
Speaker 1: the things that we need to make sure that this

1808
01:41:23,560 --> 01:41:30,120
Speaker 1: is legit, and we put in place the place a mentor.

1809
01:41:31,760 --> 01:41:33,160
Speaker 1: And I don't know if we're getting too the whole

1810
01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:34,960
Speaker 1: gear thing. I don't think we will. But if if

1811
01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:37,880
Speaker 1: gears needed, we'll go find it, yea. And what we

1812
01:41:37,960 --> 01:41:43,400
Speaker 1: do is we pay for that experience. And what I've

1813
01:41:43,439 --> 01:41:47,040
Speaker 1: just said is not new, Ben, that happens all the time,

1814
01:41:48,280 --> 01:41:50,480
Speaker 1: hear Mefore what I'm saying, I'm not. I'm not reinventing

1815
01:41:50,479 --> 01:41:53,920
Speaker 1: the wheel there. But what we do differently is that

1816
01:41:53,960 --> 01:41:57,479
Speaker 1: we purposely are going to story tell the hell out

1817
01:41:57,520 --> 01:42:01,920
Speaker 1: of it. Is that we're to build this beautiful piece

1818
01:42:02,200 --> 01:42:06,680
Speaker 1: of documentary footage around that individual and in their experience,

1819
01:42:06,960 --> 01:42:09,840
Speaker 1: we're going to purposely understand why they decided to go

1820
01:42:09,920 --> 01:42:14,800
Speaker 1: from a non hunter two a hunter and all of that,

1821
01:42:15,080 --> 01:42:17,360
Speaker 1: all of that content will then get pushed out into

1822
01:42:17,439 --> 01:42:19,760
Speaker 1: the space to show non hunters this is who we are,

1823
01:42:20,240 --> 01:42:23,080
Speaker 1: and it will be a diversity of people. So that's

1824
01:42:23,120 --> 01:42:25,120
Speaker 1: what we want in twenty one is just to have

1825
01:42:25,200 --> 01:42:29,080
Speaker 1: this ability to be super flexible and pick up someone

1826
01:42:29,120 --> 01:42:31,280
Speaker 1: in Maryland, or pick up someone in California, or pick

1827
01:42:31,360 --> 01:42:34,360
Speaker 1: up someone wherever it is, and to say, Okay, yeah,

1828
01:42:34,360 --> 01:42:36,800
Speaker 1: we've got the place, We've got the person, let's do it.

1829
01:42:36,920 --> 01:42:39,800
Speaker 1: We've got the production crew on the ground. Which is

1830
01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:43,559
Speaker 1: another thing we're not. We're not building a beast above origins.

1831
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:46,559
Speaker 1: What we like is we like to hire the best

1832
01:42:46,600 --> 01:42:49,880
Speaker 1: cameraman out there, the best cinematographers out there, and let

1833
01:42:49,880 --> 01:42:51,880
Speaker 1: them go to work with them do what they do best,

1834
01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:55,720
Speaker 1: and we just we just we just mold them to

1835
01:42:56,240 --> 01:42:58,000
Speaker 1: you know what we are trying to translate out the

1836
01:42:58,080 --> 01:43:00,519
Speaker 1: end of the camera. And so for us, so good.

1837
01:43:01,400 --> 01:43:04,759
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, like I said earlier, passion

1838
01:43:04,840 --> 01:43:07,519
Speaker 1: for the sake of passion, you know, storytelling for the

1839
01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:12,120
Speaker 1: sake of storytelling is I would say, rare in this

1840
01:43:12,200 --> 01:43:15,360
Speaker 1: day and age. Um, and I that's a's some thing

1841
01:43:15,400 --> 01:43:17,240
Speaker 1: for me to say. It's been hard for me, you know,

1842
01:43:17,320 --> 01:43:20,080
Speaker 1: as in my career as a journalist. Thank God for

1843
01:43:20,120 --> 01:43:23,280
Speaker 1: this podcast. Um, It's tough for me in my career

1844
01:43:23,360 --> 01:43:25,840
Speaker 1: to find a place where I felt comfortable to tell

1845
01:43:25,960 --> 01:43:29,320
Speaker 1: stories and to take risks and to be passionate in

1846
01:43:29,360 --> 01:43:32,080
Speaker 1: my own way. UM it's been tough for me to

1847
01:43:32,120 --> 01:43:35,640
Speaker 1: find that place, and you have it. Man. Passion for

1848
01:43:35,640 --> 01:43:39,400
Speaker 1: the sake of passion is is a powerful thing. Um.

1849
01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:42,280
Speaker 1: Wherever it's applied, and and certainly in the hunting community,

1850
01:43:42,280 --> 01:43:44,800
Speaker 1: there's where's lots of space for it. UM. So I

1851
01:43:44,840 --> 01:43:47,519
Speaker 1: would anybody listening, I occourage you to go check out

1852
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:51,040
Speaker 1: Blood Origins, go check out Robbie and all the things

1853
01:43:51,040 --> 01:43:54,640
Speaker 1: that he does. UM. I certainly think for something to

1854
01:43:54,680 --> 01:43:57,800
Speaker 1: grow organically like you have is a testament to the

1855
01:43:57,880 --> 01:44:01,240
Speaker 1: message and that people are looking for their why and

1856
01:44:01,360 --> 01:44:05,240
Speaker 1: looking to hear other people's perspective. UM. So, I really

1857
01:44:05,280 --> 01:44:07,519
Speaker 1: appreciate you coming on man and sharing what you have.

1858
01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:10,800
Speaker 1: And uh, hopefully your whiskey is just about done, because

1859
01:44:10,840 --> 01:44:14,320
Speaker 1: I just let me finished the last sip of the

1860
01:44:14,360 --> 01:44:19,200
Speaker 1: old my whiskey was fifteen minutes ago, so I was like,

1861
01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:21,240
Speaker 1: am I going to stop this recording and tell them

1862
01:44:21,240 --> 01:44:23,280
Speaker 1: I need to go get a refresher? That would have

1863
01:44:23,320 --> 01:44:27,559
Speaker 1: been Okay, that's absolutely a lot on this program, but

1864
01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:34,960
Speaker 1: an encouraged. I'm incredibly humbled grateful that you reached out, um,

1865
01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:37,160
Speaker 1: And I'll just you know, leave one point is that

1866
01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:39,760
Speaker 1: you know the folks that are listening or listened thus far,

1867
01:44:40,320 --> 01:44:41,920
Speaker 1: you know the two or three people that are still

1868
01:44:41,960 --> 01:44:45,360
Speaker 1: hanging on at the end here. Um, you know, get

1869
01:44:45,360 --> 01:44:48,960
Speaker 1: involved with us. We're here to represent you. We want

1870
01:44:49,000 --> 01:44:51,280
Speaker 1: to hear from you. Reach out to us. If you

1871
01:44:51,320 --> 01:44:55,519
Speaker 1: think you've got a thoughtful story about why you hunt,

1872
01:44:56,200 --> 01:44:58,320
Speaker 1: we want to hear it. This isn't you know. We

1873
01:44:58,360 --> 01:45:02,000
Speaker 1: don't just pick and choose. We tell everyone's why. And

1874
01:45:02,080 --> 01:45:05,000
Speaker 1: our desire is one day to have a YouTube playlist

1875
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:08,559
Speaker 1: that has a thousand This is my wife. Just we

1876
01:45:08,680 --> 01:45:11,720
Speaker 1: just want to convey the heart of who we are

1877
01:45:11,720 --> 01:45:15,320
Speaker 1: as hunters and who we are that convey the truth

1878
01:45:15,400 --> 01:45:17,800
Speaker 1: really of what hunting does. So I just want to

1879
01:45:17,800 --> 01:45:20,519
Speaker 1: say thank you again Ben, oh no, thank you Robbie,

1880
01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:22,880
Speaker 1: and again there's so much room in our industry and

1881
01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:26,320
Speaker 1: in our world, in our community for what you do.

1882
01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:29,639
Speaker 1: And if we can add a little bit to that here,

1883
01:45:29,800 --> 01:45:32,680
Speaker 1: I'm happy and proud to do that because I think

1884
01:45:32,720 --> 01:45:36,520
Speaker 1: it's it's important work all the way around. So, um,

1885
01:45:36,520 --> 01:45:38,640
Speaker 1: thanks for hanging with us, and we'll catch up with

1886
01:45:38,680 --> 01:45:51,520
Speaker 1: you real soon, I mean all right, So yeah, so yeah,

1887
01:45:52,040 --> 01:45:55,479
Speaker 1: that's it. That is all another episode in the books.

1888
01:45:56,320 --> 01:45:59,599
Speaker 1: Thank you to Robbie, thank you to everybody that creates

1889
01:45:59,640 --> 01:46:03,400
Speaker 1: content from blood origins. And thanks of Philip t engineer,

1890
01:46:03,439 --> 01:46:06,639
Speaker 1: our favorite engineer to pick for him. Now that there's two,

1891
01:46:07,840 --> 01:46:10,600
Speaker 1: well that thanks, Thanks Ben. But let's not count your

1892
01:46:10,640 --> 01:46:13,280
Speaker 1: chickens here. I mean, I think there's a good possibility

1893
01:46:13,320 --> 01:46:16,200
Speaker 1: you'll warm up to this guy more than me. So

1894
01:46:17,160 --> 01:46:20,240
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not seeing it. But we'll have him on. Well, well,

1895
01:46:20,360 --> 01:46:22,920
Speaker 1: never mind, I'm not gonna change. We're not gonna have

1896
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:25,120
Speaker 1: him on. I'm not gonna be nice to this guy.

1897
01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:27,559
Speaker 1: I can't let him into my heart. I have no room,

1898
01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:31,080
Speaker 1: um for something like this, this new engineer, this person

1899
01:46:31,120 --> 01:46:34,599
Speaker 1: who comes in here to just do his job quote unquote.

1900
01:46:34,640 --> 01:46:38,200
Speaker 1: You know, um, I I understand what's going on. I know,

1901
01:46:39,960 --> 01:46:42,920
Speaker 1: so phil Before we go, we have to only because

1902
01:46:42,960 --> 01:46:44,800
Speaker 1: so many people wrote in, Only that so many people

1903
01:46:44,840 --> 01:46:48,920
Speaker 1: have been asking and talking about this um talk about

1904
01:46:48,920 --> 01:46:52,920
Speaker 1: the election very briefly. I would I would rather not

1905
01:46:53,000 --> 01:46:55,519
Speaker 1: even even discuss it. But so many people wrote in

1906
01:46:55,520 --> 01:46:57,559
Speaker 1: with lots of as as. I'm very proud to say

1907
01:46:57,560 --> 01:47:03,040
Speaker 1: about this program. So much thoughtful commentary and so so

1908
01:47:03,120 --> 01:47:07,200
Speaker 1: much so many questions about my choices, and the folks

1909
01:47:07,360 --> 01:47:09,280
Speaker 1: seem to care about what I who I voted for

1910
01:47:09,320 --> 01:47:12,760
Speaker 1: and all that good stuff. Um, which is great. I

1911
01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:16,320
Speaker 1: love it. I don't know if I love it. Yeah,

1912
01:47:16,560 --> 01:47:19,120
Speaker 1: that would probably be overstating it. Um, that's one of

1913
01:47:19,120 --> 01:47:21,200
Speaker 1: the things I just I don't know. It's kind of

1914
01:47:21,200 --> 01:47:22,920
Speaker 1: ab porran in the way that that we have to

1915
01:47:22,920 --> 01:47:25,000
Speaker 1: discuss politics. But I will say I'm very proud of

1916
01:47:25,280 --> 01:47:27,519
Speaker 1: the audience of this show. Who you guys come to

1917
01:47:27,560 --> 01:47:31,360
Speaker 1: the table with a really good commentary, really thoughtful questions,

1918
01:47:31,600 --> 01:47:33,519
Speaker 1: and when you beat us up, when you beat me up,

1919
01:47:33,560 --> 01:47:36,960
Speaker 1: you do it in a way that is productive and constructive.

1920
01:47:37,000 --> 01:47:40,479
Speaker 1: So thank you for that. Phil. You voted right, Yeah, man,

1921
01:47:40,520 --> 01:47:44,240
Speaker 1: I voted three weeks before the election, because Montana makes

1922
01:47:44,240 --> 01:47:47,800
Speaker 1: you in three weeks. It's very nice. Yeah, it was nice.

1923
01:47:47,960 --> 01:47:50,479
Speaker 1: I voted on the day of the election. Um, I

1924
01:47:50,680 --> 01:47:53,840
Speaker 1: felt I felt like I just wanted that to see

1925
01:47:53,920 --> 01:47:56,080
Speaker 1: what was going on. I wanted to see how it felt.

1926
01:47:56,160 --> 01:48:00,719
Speaker 1: I wanted to see what it was like. Um. There

1927
01:48:00,920 --> 01:48:03,200
Speaker 1: the tenor of the volunteers and some of the paid

1928
01:48:03,800 --> 01:48:06,479
Speaker 1: uh posters and things like that. Um, the people in

1929
01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:09,120
Speaker 1: line and everything, and I gotta tell you, man, if

1930
01:48:09,200 --> 01:48:11,959
Speaker 1: you were to you know, if you have an iPhone

1931
01:48:12,320 --> 01:48:14,200
Speaker 1: and you have a TV and you happen to watch

1932
01:48:14,960 --> 01:48:17,160
Speaker 1: cable TV news or any type of news, you might

1933
01:48:17,200 --> 01:48:19,439
Speaker 1: think that you have a good reason to be angry.

1934
01:48:19,479 --> 01:48:24,599
Speaker 1: You're scared UM around this election and my experience going

1935
01:48:24,640 --> 01:48:29,639
Speaker 1: and voting in person was everybody's super helpful, safe, friendly UM,

1936
01:48:29,800 --> 01:48:34,000
Speaker 1: answered questions, chatted with each other, where are you from?

1937
01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:36,800
Speaker 1: All this stuff? There was no animosity. I know this

1938
01:48:36,880 --> 01:48:39,240
Speaker 1: is one only my perspective from the where I was

1939
01:48:39,280 --> 01:48:42,200
Speaker 1: in Bozeman, but I was proud to be a part

1940
01:48:42,280 --> 01:48:45,200
Speaker 1: of that. I got off and started interviewing a lot

1941
01:48:45,240 --> 01:48:47,960
Speaker 1: of the folks that were there, taking my ballad and

1942
01:48:48,360 --> 01:48:50,640
Speaker 1: leading me to the right spots and asking where are

1943
01:48:50,640 --> 01:48:52,120
Speaker 1: you from? How long you've been doing this? You like

1944
01:48:52,200 --> 01:48:54,920
Speaker 1: doing this? Um? And all of them said they loved

1945
01:48:54,920 --> 01:48:58,200
Speaker 1: doing it. They felt it was important work, UM. And

1946
01:48:58,240 --> 01:49:01,120
Speaker 1: so I will say that part of it was incredibly cool,

1947
01:49:01,560 --> 01:49:04,679
Speaker 1: I would say even inspiring to me to see everybody

1948
01:49:04,760 --> 01:49:08,880
Speaker 1: engaged UM and in politics like that, and just in

1949
01:49:08,920 --> 01:49:11,880
Speaker 1: a real constructive cool way. I thought really hard about

1950
01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:14,040
Speaker 1: my decision, and I took it seriously, and I had

1951
01:49:14,040 --> 01:49:17,320
Speaker 1: a wonderful experience with all the people, um, the Polsters

1952
01:49:17,360 --> 01:49:19,559
Speaker 1: and Bozeman, and I felt really good about it after

1953
01:49:19,560 --> 01:49:23,400
Speaker 1: the fact, um, And I'm not I'm not too shy

1954
01:49:23,439 --> 01:49:28,320
Speaker 1: to say that I was, um, really proud to be

1955
01:49:28,439 --> 01:49:32,920
Speaker 1: part of all that and um ultimately not certainly prideful

1956
01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:37,000
Speaker 1: in the process and really even the aftermath, but feeling

1957
01:49:37,040 --> 01:49:39,479
Speaker 1: like on the ground, no matter what the news media

1958
01:49:39,520 --> 01:49:41,160
Speaker 1: tells you, you you don't have to be scared, you don't

1959
01:49:41,200 --> 01:49:44,920
Speaker 1: have to be angry. You can be proud um of

1960
01:49:44,960 --> 01:49:47,559
Speaker 1: the process, as I was. And so that's my story.

1961
01:49:47,600 --> 01:49:50,600
Speaker 1: I'm sticking to it. Phil. What do you think I

1962
01:49:51,880 --> 01:49:54,599
Speaker 1: really enjoyed hearing that, Ben, Thanks for sharing that. Um,

1963
01:49:54,680 --> 01:50:00,559
Speaker 1: this is this is philis sincere part two. Yeah, yeah,

1964
01:50:00,560 --> 01:50:02,280
Speaker 1: I was really moving. And I'd like to say also

1965
01:50:02,360 --> 01:50:07,280
Speaker 1: on the on the topic of poll workers, um, election workers,

1966
01:50:07,560 --> 01:50:09,920
Speaker 1: especially in this environment. You you pulled the word right

1967
01:50:09,920 --> 01:50:12,320
Speaker 1: out of my mouth, which is inspiring. I couldn't imagine

1968
01:50:12,360 --> 01:50:16,760
Speaker 1: doing doing work like that, um right now, especially in

1969
01:50:16,800 --> 01:50:20,400
Speaker 1: an election that's heated and contentious. UM. I mean we're

1970
01:50:20,479 --> 01:50:23,720
Speaker 1: days after weeks after the election right now, and it's

1971
01:50:23,720 --> 01:50:27,320
Speaker 1: still heated and contentious. So uh yeah, thank you to

1972
01:50:27,360 --> 01:50:31,719
Speaker 1: anybody who who worked at the polls this year. Yeah. Yeah,

1973
01:50:31,720 --> 01:50:33,639
Speaker 1: there's a reality of the world we live in where

1974
01:50:33,640 --> 01:50:36,519
Speaker 1: it is not what it seems on TV and our

1975
01:50:36,560 --> 01:50:39,960
Speaker 1: news media and social media, and all these people are

1976
01:50:40,040 --> 01:50:42,720
Speaker 1: are trying to get your attention. They need your emotions,

1977
01:50:42,880 --> 01:50:46,439
Speaker 1: they need you robbed up. You know, maybe some of

1978
01:50:46,479 --> 01:50:48,400
Speaker 1: it's true, most of it just isn't. And when you

1979
01:50:48,439 --> 01:50:51,360
Speaker 1: look on the ground level, and you look around yourself

1980
01:50:51,520 --> 01:50:54,840
Speaker 1: and talk to the people around you and and act

1981
01:50:54,880 --> 01:50:58,240
Speaker 1: pragmatically and show that you care about our nation and

1982
01:50:58,280 --> 01:51:00,960
Speaker 1: our democracy, it should be okay to vote for whomever

1983
01:51:01,040 --> 01:51:03,639
Speaker 1: you'd like. Um. And I'll tell you, when I said

1984
01:51:03,640 --> 01:51:06,280
Speaker 1: I was gonna vote for Trump publicly on my Instagram,

1985
01:51:06,479 --> 01:51:09,679
Speaker 1: so many people just couldn't understand how I could even

1986
01:51:09,800 --> 01:51:13,720
Speaker 1: possibly approach that that option. And all I would say

1987
01:51:13,720 --> 01:51:16,559
Speaker 1: to those people is, hey, look, man, seventy plus million

1988
01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:20,479
Speaker 1: people voted for that guy. They can't all be lunatics. Um.

1989
01:51:20,560 --> 01:51:23,240
Speaker 1: We need to come together and understand each other way better.

1990
01:51:23,280 --> 01:51:27,000
Speaker 1: Because if if seventy six million people can't understand the

1991
01:51:27,040 --> 01:51:30,519
Speaker 1: other seventy million, boy, even at some level, you don't

1992
01:51:30,520 --> 01:51:32,640
Speaker 1: have to agree with them, but just having some understanding

1993
01:51:32,680 --> 01:51:34,880
Speaker 1: of what why they voted the way they did, and

1994
01:51:34,920 --> 01:51:39,040
Speaker 1: not trying to demonize them, UM for for making that choice.

1995
01:51:39,080 --> 01:51:41,040
Speaker 1: Maybe you think they're wrong, and maybe you're right about that.

1996
01:51:41,360 --> 01:51:44,560
Speaker 1: Maybe you think I'm wrong for voting for Biden. That's fine. UM.

1997
01:51:44,600 --> 01:51:46,280
Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of you will will tell me that,

1998
01:51:47,160 --> 01:51:49,000
Speaker 1: you'll call me names and things like that. That's fine,

1999
01:51:49,800 --> 01:51:51,640
Speaker 1: but those are my thoughts man, and we'll move on

2000
01:51:51,720 --> 01:51:55,320
Speaker 1: and hopefully UM, our country can calm down and come

2001
01:51:55,360 --> 01:51:57,840
Speaker 1: together and try to find ways to appreciate each other,

2002
01:51:58,640 --> 01:52:00,880
Speaker 1: UM on our day to day lives. And that's my

2003
01:52:01,520 --> 01:52:04,320
Speaker 1: that's hopefully. We'll leave you guys on a really good note.

2004
01:52:04,880 --> 01:52:06,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to go back to bed and have a

2005
01:52:06,840 --> 01:52:10,360
Speaker 1: hot toddy and hopefully I don't have the COVID. I'll

2006
01:52:10,439 --> 01:52:14,920
Speaker 1: let you guys know next week. Al alright, I really

2007
01:52:14,960 --> 01:52:16,800
Speaker 1: like this. I really like this new series you have

2008
01:52:16,880 --> 01:52:19,720
Speaker 1: going on, which is every month or two. Ben thinks

2009
01:52:19,760 --> 01:52:22,839
Speaker 1: he might have COVID, and then we the alital listeners

2010
01:52:22,880 --> 01:52:24,679
Speaker 1: are are on the edge of their seats to find

2011
01:52:24,680 --> 01:52:28,880
Speaker 1: out next week doesn COVID cod Ben's yeah, I'm right

2012
01:52:28,880 --> 01:52:31,280
Speaker 1: now in my underwear, sweating in the bedroom, quarantine for

2013
01:52:31,360 --> 01:52:34,160
Speaker 1: my children. You're gonna love it next week on The

2014
01:52:34,200 --> 01:52:36,840
Speaker 1: Hunting Collective. Al Right, Phil, you tell everybody bye. Be

2015
01:52:36,960 --> 01:52:43,080
Speaker 1: sincere goodbye everybody, because I can't go a week without

2016
01:52:43,280 --> 01:53:01,640
Speaker 1: doing right yular da