1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 2: Single best idea and the single best idea is in 3 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 2: doing this for decades plural. This has been one of 4 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 2: the most extraordinary weeks. And what you do, it's a blur, folks. 5 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 2: I mean, just to give you a little vignette here, 6 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 2: Cy Benson's in my ears constantly with my headphones on, 7 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,959 Speaker 2: literally telling me what the next thing is, tick by 8 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,599 Speaker 2: tick by tick, because Paul and I are looking at 9 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 2: eight things going on in real time and we can't 10 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 2: keep track of like what's next, or what's out three 11 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 2: things or that. And with the quality of the conversations 12 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 2: that we had this week, given this amazing news flow 13 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 2: culminating in all the terrif announcements today and then this 14 00:00:56,120 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 2: jobs report, it's just the privilege of these conversation. And 15 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 2: you remember one single sentence out there, here's the sentence 16 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 2: of the week, and it's from Lyle Brainer, the vice 17 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 2: chairman of the Fed, thrilled that she could join us 18 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 2: from Harvard, and doctor Brainer said simply, they want to 19 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 2: bring in revenue, and that was the same. I'm not 20 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,839 Speaker 2: saying I agree that that's a public policy with tariffs, 21 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 2: but at half a trillion or four hundred billion, whatever 22 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 2: the number is, it's a big number and that's what 23 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 2: this is about. As all America faces the combination of 24 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 2: this job's economy and the tariff discussion, and then it 25 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 2: redounds back to the market with as we fill this 26 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 2: right now the doubt negative seven hundred, we'll see where 27 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 2: we end up out in the far distance of four PM. 28 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: Single best idea, Stephanie Roth nailed it with Wolf Research. 29 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 2: We had her in quickly for a victory lap. It's 30 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 2: rare that an economist can come in at eightousand, and 31 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 2: when the shock number was seventy three thousand, Stephanie Roth 32 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 2: goes to the Mexican border. 33 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: I think the main thing that we took away from 34 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: this print is that immigration is having a big impact 35 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: on the labor market. And this is not just because 36 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: depressing the July print, but also the reasons for the 37 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: big revisions that are and should be making headlines today. 38 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 1: They are because this is a labor market where headline 39 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 1: job gains. The break even steady state pace of job 40 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: growth has slowed down substantially, and that will be the 41 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: case for quite some time given the immigration policy. Yet 42 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 1: it tightens the labor market keeps the unemployment rate largely steady. 43 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 1: It puts up a pressure on inflation on top of 44 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: the tariff inflation. 45 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 2: In the budget, laby El modeling out a lift in 46 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 2: the unemployment rate out of eighteen months. And who knows 47 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 2: what that migration will be. But I hear four point seven, 48 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 2: four point eight eighty different flavors, different analysis. All I 49 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 2: know is four point nine is distant from five point zero. 50 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 2: Michael Darta knows that as well. Roth Michael Darta bringing 51 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 2: in the markets into our discussion of the American economy. 52 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 3: So the markets have priced in ninety one basis points 53 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 3: over the next twelve months. So does the FMC guide 54 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 3: markets for more than that or less than that? 55 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 2: You know? 56 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: Right now? 57 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 3: I mean, I think you've got quite a bit of 58 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 3: division on the committee. We did get two descents. That's 59 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 3: the first time too. Fed Governor's descent to. 60 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 2: This way genius is this morning. 61 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 3: Since nineteen ninety three, right, But I think the focus 62 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 3: has to be on price stability. I mean, obviously the 63 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 3: FED wants to preserve the business site, but inflation is 64 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 3: still above target. And if the FED is going to 65 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 3: be harangued and cajoled into cutting rates when it's perhaps 66 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 3: inappropriately inappropriate to do so. If inflation expectations go up, 67 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 3: then long term interest rates go up, not down. So 68 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 3: if the president's concerned about debt financing costs, let the 69 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 3: Fed do its job. You know, let's return Plation two. 70 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 3: Target and price stability is the number one way that 71 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 3: you're going to have moderate market interest rates. The other 72 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 3: way is get the fiscal house in order in Washington, 73 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 3: DC has good luck for that fate planted in that regard. 74 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 2: Michael Darter, with wisdom there from Roth Capital, I would 75 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 2: suggest we are deep into August, and all that means 76 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 2: is we're getting towards an election in twenty twenty six. 77 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 2: Some would say it's begun now, but let's be charitable 78 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 2: and saying four or five months. I don't think the 79 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 2: politicians and all of our House of Representatives is going 80 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 2: to be worrying about the inflation dynamic here. They're going 81 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 2: to be looking at that labor market and we're committed 82 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,799 Speaker 2: to covering it here in the coming months. The Shock 83 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 2: revision today, thank you again with the leadership of Anahong 84 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: of Bloomberg Economics, she was brilliant. Today we're on podcasts 85 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 2: it's a new rage. They keep telling me Apple, thank 86 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 2: you so much if I thank you, and on YouTube 87 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 2: podcasts it's the single best idea