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Speaker 1: Dear listener, before we start, a warning there's gonna be

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Speaker 1: some explicit language in this episode. Okay, here we go. Well, hello, hello, Hello,

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Speaker 1: Missa Halita's Cheese May. I'm I hope you're ready and

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Speaker 1: rested for your next assignment.

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Speaker 2: Of course, we were literally born ready for this.

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Speaker 1: Well that's good to know, because I think this cheesema

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Speaker 1: conversation is going to take.

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Speaker 3: Us on a wild ride.

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Speaker 1: All right, Miss Guetida's Elisa and Monica, you are the

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Speaker 1: angels of Cheese. Me a La Charlie's Angels. Now, off

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Speaker 1: you go, my little angels of cheese May from Vuduro

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Speaker 1: Media and PRX. It's Latino Usa. I'm Maria noo Hoosa

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Speaker 1: today el cheese me why we love it, why we're

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Speaker 1: ashamed of it, and why we won't stop gossiping anyway.

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Speaker 1: So I'm here speaking with our Latino USA fellows, Elisa

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Speaker 1: Bayena and Monica Mores Garcia, and I think I have

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Speaker 1: a pretty good idea as to why you brought me

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Speaker 1: here today.

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Speaker 3: I think it has to do with it.

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Speaker 4: Jeez me, how did you know?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's the only thing that you girls have been

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Speaker 3: talking about, is it? Cheees me?

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Speaker 2: Well, it all started seven months ago on our first

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Speaker 2: day as Latina USA Fellows. It was after our first

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Speaker 2: Elisa is in Miami, we jumped on a Google meet

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Speaker 2: and almost immediately we began cheese manimal or how we

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Speaker 2: say in English gossiping.

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Speaker 4: We realized that we were kindred spirits and we immediately

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Speaker 4: felt comfortable with each other because we felt like we

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Speaker 3: A risk you mean by talking to each.

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Speaker 2: Other, yes, to talk about souda what else?

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Speaker 3: Because it was clearly a cheese man Okay.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's just something that we fell into without

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Speaker 4: even trying. So there we are. We're feeling bonded, we're

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Speaker 4: feeling connected, and then I started to feel guilty. I

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Speaker 4: think it has something to do with the fact that

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Speaker 4: I was raised Catholic. I went to Catholic school for

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Speaker 4: fourteen years, so I was taught from a very early

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Speaker 4: age that gossip is harmful and a moral But I

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Speaker 2: Elisa Maria, can I be brave yet controversial?

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Speaker 4: Obviously?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I didn't feel that guilty.

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Speaker 6: Choose me on the butter coworkers.

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Speaker 2: Oh, we didn't say anything bad about them. With some context,

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Speaker 2: I was a cousin in the family that had a

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Speaker 2: bond of cheese may and me being me, I've always

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Speaker 2: handled those situations by doubling down. So I'm was trying

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Speaker 2: to make some judgment and was like, I know, you

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Speaker 2: moved out to be with your boyfriend. I would be like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: and a girlfriend too, Like if they wanted the sunt

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Speaker 2: I was going to give it to that.

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Speaker 4: So, Maria, what is your relationship to cheese me?

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Speaker 3: I think, like you, I kind of love it chees me.

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Speaker 1: I have very specific memories about sitting with my mom

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Speaker 1: moment when we could say buen o Mama, ill chees me.

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Speaker 1: And so it became a way of like really embodying

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Speaker 1: my mexicanness, you know, because I was growing up as

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Speaker 2: Hmm, what I'm hearing is that cheese me is a

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Speaker 2: little bit more complicated than we realized it is.

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Speaker 3: I think I think cheese may is complicated.

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Speaker 4: Even though cheeseman, though comes so naturally to us, we've

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Speaker 4: actually been struggling to define cheese may. So we wanted

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Speaker 4: to ask you, Mariya, how would you define cheese may?

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Speaker 1: Well, if you had to translate it, the simplest way

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Speaker 1: is to say, it's gossip. But there's something about cheesemay

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Speaker 1: which is about storytelling. It's something that is very present

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Speaker 1: in our reality as Latinos and Latinas in the United States,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's the way we're looking at it,

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Speaker 1: or at least that's the way I think you're going

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Speaker 3: In this conversation.

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Speaker 2: Wow, you've literally read our minds.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's hard to define because cheese may can

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Speaker 4: mean different things to different people in different contexts. But

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Speaker 4: if we're thinking about cheese may on a very basic level,

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Speaker 4: it's talking about someone in their absence. So you're sharing

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Speaker 4: information that you don't necessarily know to be true, but

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Speaker 4: the tea is just too hot for you to not

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Speaker 2: In that first conversation we had, we were already asking

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Speaker 2: all those questions, is it good?

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Speaker 6: Is it bad?

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Speaker 2: How can it be so fun when it's so bad?

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Speaker 2: And is she's not the same as rumor?

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Speaker 4: And I remember I was being very dramatic with Monica

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Speaker 4: and I was telling her that I really believe sometimes

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Speaker 4: that I'm evil at my core because I love to

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Speaker 3: Dude, evil at the core? Oh my god, what did

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Speaker 3: the mong Has do to you?

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Speaker 2: Mi?

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Speaker 3: No, No, that's a bit much.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So Alisa and I clearly had different feelings about

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Speaker 2: cheese men, but how we were still able to recognize

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Speaker 2: that it was a language we both spoke, and despite

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Speaker 2: growing up in different places and belonging to different communities,

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Speaker 2: I'm Mexican and Salvadoran and lisas Cuban American, cheesema was

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Speaker 2: and we felt like that was probably really special.

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Speaker 4: We could already feel that as Latina's gossip isn't just gossip,

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Speaker 4: it's an identity, it's a way of life.

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Speaker 2: Well, to get some answers to some of our questions,

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Speaker 2: we need hardcore data. So in the name of cheesema science,

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Speaker 2: we're conducting an experiment where we create a chiesemy and

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Speaker 2: see how far it'll spread. A cheese may about you,

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Speaker 2: Maria me, oh.

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Speaker 4: M hm, it's going to be something harmless, but something crazy.

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Speaker 4: As you know, it's actually harder than you would think

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Speaker 4: because we've been workshopping a few ideas with you.

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Speaker 7: Maria was in a dr for so long because she

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Speaker 7: was filming a movie with Linn Men Mel Miranda, and

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Speaker 7: she's going to be the next star, like a sexy

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Speaker 1: What I thought you were going to say was Maria

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Speaker 1: was in the Dominican Republic so long. We think she

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Speaker 1: just had a baby. Okay, well I want to hear

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Speaker 1: the other ideas.

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Speaker 2: We didn't have any other ideas. Those were all of

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Speaker 4: But I think I have something, Madia. So you know

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Speaker 4: how you have this big, bouncy, voluminous hair.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's all about the hair and the hoops.

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Speaker 4: Yes, so if we see it, it's always done up.

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Speaker 4: But if we don't see it, it's always wrapped up

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Speaker 4: in a turmine. So how about we make people believe

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Speaker 4: that your big bouncy locks actually don't belong to you.

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Speaker 4: It's not your real hair. It's a wig.

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Speaker 1: You know, I have my tricks as to how I

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Speaker 1: make it voluminous, but I could see how that could

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Speaker 8: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: So this is what we're gonna do. Since we have

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a cheeze mquest. And to do that,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna have to speak to some cheese my experts

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Speaker 2: from different fields to find out why cheese met is

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Speaker 4: And finally, we're gonna get a little bit sneaky and

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Speaker 1: Like Firela when Monica, so you have your assignment. You've

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Speaker 1: pried a lot out of me regarding cheesema so far,

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Speaker 1: and I'm very intrigada.

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Speaker 3: I'm using the cheese my voice.

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Speaker 1: I'm very intrigued about what you're gonna come up with

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Speaker 1: in your journey into a cheese mes. So off you

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Speaker 1: go and I'll see you on the other side, Maso.

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Speaker 4: When we first set off on our cheese mequest, Monica

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Speaker 4: and I realized that we had something else in common.

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Speaker 4: We're both huge fans of the Real Housewives guys.

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Speaker 9: I've heard that and someone did at this table has

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Speaker 9: been talking about how her bad Gizelle, you tacky is hell,

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Speaker 9: you didn't come as a friend at all.

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Speaker 10: You're done.

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Speaker 4: So it's a reality TV franchise on Bravo that follows

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Speaker 4: the everyday lives of wealthy women from different areas. So

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Speaker 4: trips obviously, but of course they look really good and

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Speaker 2: And while Lisa and I were watching the new season

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Speaker 2: of the Real Housewives of Miami, what are you talking about?

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Speaker 3: You know where?

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Speaker 4: We had an epiphany. We thought maybe we love Housewives

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Speaker 4: because chiefment is everything on the show. We realized it's

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Speaker 4: builds so much tension that a screaming match is the

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Speaker 4: most appropriate form of conflict resolution.

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Speaker 2: So we set up a conversation with two Real Housewives

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Speaker 2: of Miami, Marisol Patton and Alexia Chevarria.

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Speaker 9: So today starring on this show is my best friend

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Speaker 9: Alexi Cheria Santra Mohito, carrier of the Real Housewives of Miami.

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Speaker 10: Thank you for that beautiful introduction. And on the other side,

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Speaker 10: we have my best friend Marisol.

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Speaker 4: We want to set the scene really quick. Marisola is

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Speaker 2: There have only been a few Latinas across the Real

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Speaker 2: as we were watching the show, it became obvious that

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Speaker 2: there were parallels between how She's mosas and how housewives

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Speaker 2: are perceived as they're scene as tacky, simple minded and flamboyant.

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Speaker 10: Should I introduce you?

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Speaker 6: No, No, because the only thing that we are not

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Speaker 11: I know that because we live in Miami and Pueblo

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Speaker 11: met CenTra exactly I like to call it. We share information, yes,

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Speaker 11: and when it's amongst us good friends, it's not cheesemay,

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Speaker 11: It's just information and we need to be educated.

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Speaker 4: So do you think that Latina women have a reputation

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Speaker 4: of gossiping more than non Latinas.

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Speaker 10: I know they're all terrible, I know, but she's asking

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Speaker 10: if you think they have a reputation. I think yes.

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Speaker 10: I think we're stereotyped because it comes from history, like from.

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Speaker 6: Back in the day, more than gring us.

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Speaker 8: Yea.

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Speaker 10: At the end of the day, if you're a woman,

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Speaker 10: you're a chimosa. Oh wait, but there's meg. I know

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Speaker 10: some men get so much emoso it's crazy, Like when

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Speaker 10: there's a guy that's such amoso, like be careful, like

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Speaker 10: they're like the worst.

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Speaker 2: They are the worst. So why do you think that

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Speaker 2: cheese may is so addicting?

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Speaker 9: I think it's a mindless conversation. It's the easiest conversation

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Speaker 9: for anyone to have. You're not talking about politics, religion.

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Speaker 9: You don't have to be educated to chimad Anybody across

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Speaker 9: the board can make a comment about somebody else and

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Speaker 9: another person will jump in and they get into it.

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Speaker 10: Right and you know, all so white. It's so easy

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Speaker 9: Stop saying we all do it like you're waiting for

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Speaker 11: Right, Alexia, Right, exactly, that's your story.

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Speaker 4: So there's something else we wanted to ask you about.

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Speaker 4: We wanted to come to you for some professional advice.

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Speaker 6: I have an idea. How you make this fun.

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Speaker 9: You tell her we're gonna start saying you have a

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Speaker 6: Let's see how many people fall into the trap. I

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Speaker 10: Ooh, you sound like an expert, Marazon, and then you

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Speaker 1: Coming up on Latino USA, our Cheese may Angels continue

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Speaker 1: their investigation into how gossip has shaped their identity as

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Speaker 3: Stay with us, Yes Hey, We're back.

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Speaker 1: And before the break, Latino USA fellows Elisa Bayena and

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Speaker 1: Monica Moreles Garcia launched their quest to understand the significance

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Speaker 1: Real Housewives of Miami Here are Elisa and Monica.

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Speaker 3: Once again.

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Speaker 4: Monica. The Miami Housewives really wanted us to form with

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Speaker 2: Fake lag Aside, they did have some interesting points. The

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Speaker 4: I think that I know someone who's really good at

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Speaker 12: Hi, everybody, I am Lelana Vascas. Formerly I was the

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Speaker 4: So monicatt you know how. I graduated from college in

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Speaker 8: This is just talk, Okay, that's just talk, quarantee.

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Speaker 6: You know, I think it could be possibility.

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Speaker 4: I would describe it as a live goss ob session

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm not a doctor, I'm only a cheesema scientist,

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Speaker 12: When it comes to entertainment news, there's two different types

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Speaker 13: There is a story that always has to be.

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Speaker 12: Led with allegedly, and then there is the stories that

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Speaker 4: Yes, I love those.

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Speaker 12: But I do believe where there is smoke, there is fire,

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Speaker 2: Ooh, so, why is celebrity cheese man such big business?

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Speaker 12: I think people sometimes forget that these celebrities are true brands,

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Speaker 13: They want to really control when.

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Speaker 12: A story breaks, how it breaks, how much you know

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Speaker 13: And it's not just them, the media is also in

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Speaker 12: I've gotten to call ten minutes before I'm about to

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Speaker 12: go on air. That's like, we're killing the story because

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Speaker 12: so and so's person called and they don't want to

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Speaker 12: They want it gone and I'm like, well, I don't

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Speaker 12: want it gone. They're like, right, well, we've got to

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Speaker 4: So just like there's big tech, there's big cheese.

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Speaker 13: Mead, I mean, is what makes the world go round.

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Speaker 2: So like, which celebrity does the best job of curating

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Speaker 12: Jlo and a Rod You're talking like exponential coverage.

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Speaker 6: She's one of the biggest stars in the world.

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Speaker 5: And he is one of the biggest athletes of all time.

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Speaker 6: Could the two of them now be striking up a new.

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Speaker 12: Romance, amazing for business, good for both of them. I

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Speaker 6: It was great for him.

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Speaker 12: It was great for her because I always think that

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Speaker 13: They blended the families.

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Speaker 12: Jlo was co parenting with Mark Anthony and then they

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Speaker 13: Oh my god. It was a win win for everybody.

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Speaker 2: If you add Jlo and a Rod's net worths, it's

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Speaker 2: And just as they sold that power couple narrative to

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Speaker 2: Wow, that Che's my baiting never ends. So what do

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Speaker 12: Is storytelling is just refined Cheeseman. And it kind of

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Speaker 12: makes sense that I went into this field because I

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Speaker 13: And if you are the one.

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Speaker 12: Leading that, there definitely is a performance aspect of that.

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Speaker 4: No, totally. The delivery is super.

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Speaker 12: Important because when you're telling it to an audience, you

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Speaker 12: you want to get the reactions because based on their reactions,

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Speaker 12: what's the next part of the story that you're going

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Speaker 12: Are you going to leave them wanting more. Are you

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Speaker 12: so that they're like.

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Speaker 13: Come back, come back.

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Speaker 12: And that's essential, you know, as a host, as somebody

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Speaker 2: So we took Leniana's advice and used our best storytelling

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Speaker 4: And like the housewives, she was not impressed.

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Speaker 12: No girl next level say that she was just vacationing

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Speaker 12: at mar A Lago, not mar A Lago.

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Speaker 13: Oh my god, that's the mic drop.

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Speaker 10: That's it right there.

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Speaker 2: So it turns out that cheesemak can influence anything from

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Speaker 2: And meanwhile, there are people getting rich from our thirst

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Speaker 7: Man.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, if celebrities are brands, cheese mayth feeds

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Speaker 2: So it's clear that cheesemath can be really influential, and

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Speaker 8: Ana Rodriguez Navas I am an associate professor of Latin

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Speaker 8: we're here.

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Speaker 4: So the tora in your book idle Talk, deadly talk.

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Speaker 4: You look at how gossip in the Caribbean isn't just

446
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 4: a tool, it's a weapon. So while it can build communities,

447
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 4: it can also destabilize them. And something that you also

448
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Speaker 4: get into is a difference between the etymology of gossip

449
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Speaker 4: and cheese may. I'm wondering if you could tell us

450
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Speaker 4: a little bit more about that.

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Speaker 8: So in English we use the word gossip pretty indistinguishably

452
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 8: from the Spanish cheese mate, right, but at its origin

453
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Speaker 8: they're very different. So the word gossip comes from gossip,

454
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Speaker 8: which basically means mavrina. So the word gossip is rooted

455
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Speaker 8: in kinship, in that kind of chatter or talk between

456
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Speaker 8: god parents. It describes a specific act, whereas cheese may

457
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Speaker 8: for us. In Spanish, the origin of the word is

458
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,199
Speaker 8: much more oppositional. It derives either from the word for

459
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 8: that bug, which is obviously an unpleasant, nasty creature, or

460
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Speaker 8: the word for schism, which can mean division, rupture, break.

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Speaker 4: This really surprised me because Chief made to me has

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Speaker 4: more of a positive connotation than gossip. Another distinction that

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Speaker 4: you make in your book is that the terms gossip

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Speaker 4: and rumor are often used interchangeably, but that doesn't mean

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Speaker 4: that they're identical. So with rumors, you don't necessarily know

466
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 4: where they're coming from, and they tend to be more conspiratorial.

467
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Speaker 4: But gossip has almost more credibility because it's more personal

468
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Speaker 4: and it's transmitted from one person to the next, so

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Speaker 4: it's the whole You know, you didn't hear this from me,

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Speaker 4: but yes, exactly.

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Speaker 8: Gossip is very, very, very elastic, and it's really hard

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Speaker 8: to overstate how different it can be and how much

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Speaker 8: it changes while still being recognizable as gossip.

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Speaker 2: So look, Doda, we've actually been speaking to several professional chizmosas,

475
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Speaker 2: and now that I'm thinking about it, we've only wanted

476
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Speaker 2: to talk to women, and we never even.

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Speaker 6: Bothered to ask why that was.

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Speaker 2: I'm starting to think that it might have something to

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Speaker 2: do with the internalized belief that we gossip more or

480
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Speaker 2: Gela muherrees almost masschizmosis. But where does that belief even

481
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Speaker 2: come from.

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Speaker 8: Historically, there's been that suggestion that real men quote unquote

483
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 8: don't gossip. So where does that come from? Well, women

484
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 8: were historically excluded from the public sphere. We weren't the

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Speaker 8: ones writing in newspapers or doing the public speaking, or

486
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Speaker 8: attended political meetings. So it's in the private sphere where

487
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Speaker 8: we found our voice. But it's also important to recognize

488
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Speaker 8: that women were not the only one's gossip. What happens

489
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Speaker 8: is that men use their public speech to label women's

490
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Speaker 8: private speech as inferior while ignoring their own private speech

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Speaker 8: or not agnowing what they're doing as a form of

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00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 8: gossip too interesting.

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Speaker 4: So is that maybe why women have been told that

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Speaker 4: gossiping is bad and something that we should feel guilty

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Speaker 4: about doing.

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Speaker 8: You know, gossip is something that we all do. But

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Speaker 8: what happens is that when people talk about gossip as

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Speaker 8: not respectable or something that is a terrible thing to do,

499
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Speaker 8: it's really what you're seeing as an attempt to police

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00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 8: other people's gossip and to dismiss their voice.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, And as you explore in your research, this isn't

502
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Speaker 2: something new. So throughout history, what has been the relationship

503
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 2: between gossip and power.

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Speaker 8: Gossip has been historically a brush used by the oppressor

505
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 8: to paint the oppressed. So it's happened with indigenous men

506
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 8: with peasants and farmers with gay people, all of whom

507
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Speaker 8: have been talked about as being lazy, good for nothing gossipers.

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Speaker 8: But what is happening in those cases is that those

509
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Speaker 8: in power are first excluding those groups from public discourse

510
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Speaker 8: and then disqualifying their private discourse as nothing but gossip.

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Speaker 4: Oh okay, I see how it is. So can you

512
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Speaker 4: give us an example of what that looks like In

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Speaker 4: Latin America.

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Speaker 8: Whether it's slavery or colonization or dictatorships, our region has

515
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 8: been marked, unfortunately by systems of power that don't represent

516
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Speaker 8: large sectors of the population, precisely because gossip is illicit

517
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 8: and furtive. It is a way for people to circumvent

518
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 8: those controls. They're able to challenge official versions of events,

519
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 8: to say what they think really happen, and to circulate

520
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 8: important knowledge to preserve their voices and their experiences.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean this is really resonating with me. In

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00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 4: the afternoons, I used to sit in the sala of

523
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Speaker 4: my childhood home with my visa Welas and they would,

524
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Speaker 4: you know, tell me a lot of stories. There's usually

525
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 4: a lot of cautionary tales, sometimes about men, but also

526
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 4: so about government repression in Cuba. So it is affirming

527
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 4: to know that that is also a form of cheesemaye.

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00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 8: Gossip is a fundamental part of the kind of information

529
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 8: control of repressive political systems, and it sort of works

530
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 8: both ways. It can be extremely beneficial and it can

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Speaker 8: be extremely repressive. So, for instance, if someone gossip's with

532
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 8: you and tells you, hey, be careful with the neighbor

533
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 8: turns out that he's connected to the authorities, you know

534
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 8: that if you want to be safe, you're not going

535
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 8: to tell anything that might jeopardize you or your family

536
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 8: to this neighbor, right, anything that is against the government.

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Speaker 4: This reminds me of the comites delu in Cuba, which

538
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 4: are basically networks of cheese muscles whose job is to

539
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 4: snitch on their neighbors to the government if they see

540
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 4: or hear or suspect of any illegal activity.

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Speaker 8: Yes, that's a perfect example of that. That's why. And

542
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 8: there are money, and this sadly continues to happen. And

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Speaker 8: I want to point out that in this example we're

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Speaker 8: talking about men right all the way.

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Speaker 6: Yes, all the way.

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00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 2: It's always the men.

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Speaker 8: Gossip for us in the diaspora, is a really important

548
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 8: way to reclaim stories that are at risk. So, for instance,

549
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 8: if you think about family gossip, it's not just chatter.

550
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 8: It's also a way of preserving something important or reclaiming

551
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 8: lost memories, lost history, of filling out silences. There's a

552
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 8: kind of oral history of the community that is authentic

553
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 8: that emerges from gossip.

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Speaker 4: Monica. I think I'm having a moment. Oh my God,

555
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 4: tell me. For maybe selfish reasons, my main goal in

556
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 4: this quest has been to demystify cheese May, because obviously

557
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 4: I'm very desperate to drop my gill. But I think

558
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 4: that it's distracted me from seeing how cheese May has

559
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 4: actually helped me form and craft my Cuban American identity.

560
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 4: How So, when I think about when I feel the

561
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 4: most Latina, it's when I'm Chismanlo with my theas and

562
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 4: my cousins. It's late at night, everybody's defenses are down,

563
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 4: and that's when I'm not trying to check my Miami

564
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 4: accent because I think it makes me sound less educated

565
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 4: or something.

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00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 2: You know, I've only recently been able to think of

567
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 2: myself as respectable, and I think a lot of that

568
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 2: is because so much of my Latinx identity is deeply

569
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 2: tied with class and gender and my experience in being

570
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 2: this working class, flamboyant chi they Latina with a huge butt.

571
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 2: I know that my words have never really carried much weight,

572
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 2: but it has been that act of dismissal that has

573
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 2: always fueled my desire to just own my truths own

574
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 2: my cheese, miss because for me, there's been nothing more

575
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 2: powerful than just living in my truth.

576
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: All right, welcome back, Nissa Helite's the cheese made.

577
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 3: So how did the assignment go?

578
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 2: We have so much to share, my god.

579
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 4: Okay, so we first talked to two reality TV stars

580
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 4: from the Real Housewives of Miami and they had some

581
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 4: interesting suggestions about our Cheesemay Maria.

582
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 6: Oh, Luca, that's not a good one.

583
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 9: Why don't you say she has like a fake leg

584
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 9: or something.

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00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: Okay, that's like the craziest thing I've ever heard that

586
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,719
Speaker 1: what's easier to make people believe is that I have

587
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: a fake leg, not that I'm using weights.

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00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 2: Our second expert was an entertainment journalist and she wanted

589
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Speaker 2: us to take it even.

590
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 12: Further, say that she was just vacationing at mar A Lago.

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00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: Wow, I think she knows me because to that one,

592
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: that's some pretty serious cheese man.

593
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 3: That could destroy my career.

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00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 2: Right, good thing. We spoke to our last expert, Lo

595
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 2: Toro riaz Nevz, who reminded us that cheesemut is supposed

596
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 2: to be organic, it's not supposed to be fabricated. So

597
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 2: in this case, our experiment took an unexpected turn.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm totally confused and intrigued. Now I want to

599
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: know what happened.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So what we're saying is that we didn't end

601
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 4: up telling anybody on our team that you wear a wig.

602
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 6: Oh.

603
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 2: We learned that the space where cheesemu happens is really

604
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: vital because you need to build that intimacy and confienza.

605
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 2: You got to look people in the eye. But because

606
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 2: we're all working remotely, we realized that spreading the cheesemut

607
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 2: wasn't really going to happen as naturally as we wanted.

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Speaker 1: In other words, cheesema has actually taken a hit during

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Speaker 1: the pandemic.

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Speaker 2: It was a really unexpected loss.

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Speaker 1: I did wonder, how do you start cheesema up when

612
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: you're not all in the office, So yeah, the pandemic

613
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: hit again.

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Speaker 4: We were also just thinking what if we did start

615
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 4: spreading this cheese mal What if we started having meetings

616
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 4: with other producers and we were like, hey, guess what,

617
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 4: Madias hair is fake? What if that was an invitation

618
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,240
Speaker 4: for them to say some really mean, nasty things about

619
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Speaker 4: your hair.

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Speaker 1: The thing about cheese may is that it can go dark,

621
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Speaker 1: it can get cruel, and it can be used as

622
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Speaker 1: a takedown.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, we also have to remember that cheese

624
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 4: may is a way that belief systems are built and

625
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 4: also maintained. So for example, if I'm talking to Una

626
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Speaker 4: Senora and she's gossiping to me about how someone gained

627
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Speaker 4: weight and she's framing it as something shameful, that cheese

628
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Speaker 4: may is not going to be fun for me because

629
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Speaker 4: body shaming is against my personal ethical code.

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Speaker 1: And so that is the other side of cheesemay where

631
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Speaker 1: we can be laughing and joking. But then it's like, oh,

632
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: there was a crossover right there, and I understand that

633
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: that would have been hard. Also, if anybody said anything

634
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: bad about my hair, I'd have to come at them,

635
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 1: not just kidding.

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Speaker 4: So even though we didn't end up spreading the wig Cheesemay.

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00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 4: I think that we still came out on top because

638
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 4: we had a breakthrough. We learned that we'd come from

639
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 4: a long line of cheese mosas who, like us, knew

640
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 4: that gossip isn't just silly women's talk. It deserves more

641
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 4: respect because it can be a tool for resistance.

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00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, it's an ancestral language.

643
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 3: A save for cheesemay right there.

644
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 2: And you know, this experiment has made us realize that

645
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 2: it's not even so much what we're cheeseman though about,

646
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 2: but rather the connection that cheese may is creating.

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Speaker 12: My bs and I live such different lives and sometimes

648
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 12: it's hard to find things to talk about, but we

649
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 12: can always talk about that, yeah, always. Cheese May creates

650
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,919
Speaker 12: commonalities for us to discuss and discuss passionately and energetically

651
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 12: and have fun together.

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00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 8: Gossip, for us is a real important connective tissue connecting

653
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 8: us US Latinas to Latin America, connecting us within our communities.

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00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 8: But it can be a bridge so that sense of belonging,

655
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 8: that sense of being part of that community is heightened

656
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 8: with the gossip.

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Speaker 6: I doil me. This is like a therapy session.

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00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 3: See that's it. You know.

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Speaker 1: For me, cheese may is like bonding in particular with

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Speaker 1: family and joy and storytelling. I mean, when I understood

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Speaker 1: that what my mom was doing during the time that

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00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: we were Chiesmiando was actually telling me great stories, it

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Speaker 1: was a turning point for me. I was like, wait,

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Speaker 1: I'm a storyteller too, and that basically changed my whole life.

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Speaker 4: I I think I'm hearing that since we're all professional storytellers,

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Speaker 4: were also professional cheese mosas. And you know what, that

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Speaker 4: is nothing to be ashamed of. It is what gives

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Speaker 4: us our power.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, our powers.

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Speaker 1: It's official because this sientificas that cheese may have told us. So, Elisa, Monica,

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Speaker 1: your assignment is now complete. I am blessing you to

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Speaker 1: go off to cheese Meer until you can't anymore, and

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Speaker 1: that you're spreading the gospel of Cheesemare's resistance. So until

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Speaker 1: your next assignment, off you go, my little Angels of Cheesemas.

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Speaker 1: This episode was produced by Last Cheese Mosas Elisa Bayena

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Speaker 1: and Monica Morales Garcia, and edited by another cheese mos

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Speaker 1: Marta Martinez.

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Speaker 3: It was mixed by cheese Mosas Steffanie Lebau and Julia Caruso.

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Speaker 1: The Latino USA team includes ciz Mosos I Gizmosas, Andrea Lopez, Grussado,

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Speaker 1: Deisy Contreds, Mike Sargent, Julieta Martinelli, Victoria Estrada, Patricia sulbaran

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Speaker 1: Alejandra saasad Renaldo Leanos Junior and Julia Rocha, with help

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Speaker 1: from Raul Perez. Our editorial directors Julio Ricardo Barela. Our

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Speaker 1: associate engineers are j J Carubin and Gabriela Biez. Our

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Speaker 1: marketing manager is Les Luna. Our fellow is Andrew Bignalis.

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Speaker 1: Our theme music was composed by Sega Rubinos. I'm the og,

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Speaker 1: Ciez Mosa host and executive producer Maria Rosa. Join us

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Speaker 1: again on our next episode. Remember comodimos, Les ciz Mosas

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Speaker 1: not deeva, Yes, and we'll see you on our next episode.

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Speaker 3: Ciao.

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Speaker 5: Latino USA is made possible in part by California Endowment,

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Speaker 5: building a strong state by improving the health of all Californians,

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Speaker 5: the John D.

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Speaker 4: And Catherine T.

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Speaker 5: MacArthur Foundation, and the Ford Foundation, working with visionaries on

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Speaker 5: the front lines of social change worldwide.

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Speaker 3: Here's some cheese man for you. You want something to

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Speaker 3: chease me at, I'm about to give you something to

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Speaker 3: chease me at