1 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. 2 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,959 Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 2: I am Mike Spofford, joined as always by my trust 4 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 2: and colleague Wes Hodquitz. We're coming to you here from 5 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 2: our studios at lambeau Field and Wes. Since the last 6 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,319 Speaker 2: time we turned the cameras on in this room, a 7 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 2: lot has happened here at twelve sixty five Lombardi Avenue, 8 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: so we might as well just dive right into it. 9 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 2: Of course, the Micah Parsons deal goes down late in 10 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 2: the day On Thursday, the Packers acquire the four time 11 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 2: Pro Bowl, three time All Pro pass rusher from the 12 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys for two first round picks plus Kenny Clark 13 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:47,480 Speaker 2: and no other way to describe it than a seismic 14 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 2: move on the eve of the NFL season. 15 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, they call it an initial fifty three man roster 16 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 3: for a reason. Right. I thought maybe Nick Neeman signing 17 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 3: on Wednesday was going to be the big newsbreaker for 18 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 3: the Green Bay Packers week, But I was obviously very 19 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 3: very wrong. Micah Parsons is a member of the Green 20 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 3: Bay Packers. I did a little tweet. I don't know 21 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 3: if you saw it. But I literally was. It was 22 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 3: like one of those like being extremely present moments where 23 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 3: I'm sitting there at the press conference. 24 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: Yes I did see that tweet, by the way. 25 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 3: And I'm like, not gonna lie, this is all wild. 26 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,839 Speaker 3: I'm like literally staring at Micah Parsons at a green 27 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 3: Bay Packers podium after he'd flown into green Bay that 28 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,839 Speaker 3: day to take a physical sign a very lucrative, well 29 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 3: deserved contract extension and complete one of the most blockbuster trades. 30 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 3: I mean, as big as the Aaron Rodgers one was 31 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 3: two years ago, and the you know DeVante Adams won 32 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 3: Before that, it was always the Packers getting picks back, right. 33 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 3: It was never a player coming back in the trade, 34 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 3: let alone someone of the caliber of Michah Parsons, and 35 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 3: he is I thought one thing that was really stuck 36 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 3: out in those press conferences, Mike and the amount of 37 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 3: times both and Brian Goodikoun said the words rare and unique. 38 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 3: This is not just a you know, good football player. 39 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,239 Speaker 3: This is one of the best football players, a guy 40 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 3: that is still only twenty six years old, in someone 41 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 3: that his former teammate at Penn State, Rashid Walker, even 42 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 3: said he just assumed he was going to be with 43 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 3: the Dallas Cowboys forever. 44 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 1: I think everybody did. 45 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, he comes on the market, he's available, and now 46 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 3: he's wearing number one for the Packers. 47 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 1: I think that's real. 48 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:30,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that was the most stunning thing 49 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 2: to me is aside from the fact that it's the 50 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 2: Packers that got Micah Parsons, it's that the Dallas Cowboys 51 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 2: were actually willing to trade him because we've seen there 52 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 2: have been there are plenty of deals that have gone 53 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 2: down for multiple first round picks and this and that. 54 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 2: Usually it's a player who has been in the league 55 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 2: for say eight or nine years, and is coming up 56 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 2: on that third contract, and the team that has the 57 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 2: player they aren't really sure how much they want to invest. 58 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 2: When that player gets up to the age twenty nine 59 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 2: or thirty or thirty one, and then they're like, hey, 60 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 2: if there's enough interest out there, maybe we get two 61 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 2: first round picks for a thirty year old guy. And 62 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 2: you know, the player helps another team and the team 63 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,519 Speaker 2: moves on from an aging but star player to build 64 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 2: for the future. A twenty six year old player who 65 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 2: has not yet signed his second contract, who was still 66 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 2: technically on his rookie contract with the fifth year option 67 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 2: from the Dallas Cowboys, and a player who essentially is 68 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 2: building Hall of Fame level credentials, not just not just 69 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 2: a star player, not the best player on such and 70 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 2: such defense, but a guy who's on a trajectory for Canton, 71 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 2: Ohio to be available at the age of twenty six. 72 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 2: I mean, I can see why Matt Lafleur, Brian Gudokunz 73 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 2: kept using those words rare and unique. This doesn't happen 74 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 2: in terms of these types of parameters. A lot of 75 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 2: fans out there are looking at it as you know, yeah, 76 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 2: it's reminiscent of the Packers signing Reggie White or signing 77 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 2: you know, Charles Woodson, or even the Ron Wolf's trade 78 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 2: of a first round pick for Brett fav And of 79 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 2: course all of those moves turned out tremendous for Green Bay, 80 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 2: but in a lot of ways, they still don't really 81 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 2: compare to this one when you look at when you 82 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 2: look at all of the all of the circumstances, and 83 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 2: I think the the shock value, the shock level of 84 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 2: it that unless you were unless you were in you know, 85 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 2: the personnel room for the Packers and part of these 86 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,799 Speaker 2: discussions and in a similar room for the Dallas Cowboys 87 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 2: with owner Jerry Jones. You didn't nobody really knew that 88 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 2: this was going down. And when the news actually kind 89 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 2: of got out that the Cowboys were legitimately accepting trade 90 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 2: offers for Micah Parsons, it was less than day and 91 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 2: the deal was done and he was a green Bay Packer. 92 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. As Brian Goodekin said too when he addressed the 93 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 3: media on Friday, this is something the Packers were in 94 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 3: on very ear and if there was anything he was 95 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 3: asked about, you're going back to the Khalil Mack trade 96 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 3: with the with the Bears six years ago, seven years ago, 97 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 3: it was the fact that, you know, he didn't have 98 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:10,559 Speaker 3: any regrets about how that played out. He was happy 99 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 3: with how things went, but he said the problem was 100 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 3: we probably were involved a little too late. Not that 101 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 3: they would have changed anything, but we were too late. 102 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 3: The Packers were right at the front end of this thing. 103 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 3: And one of the real true rarities of this is 104 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 3: you didn't see them attached to any other teams with 105 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 3: this Micah Parsons trade. It was Dallas and it was 106 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 3: green Bay pretty much from the get go, even before 107 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 3: there was real tangible reporting behind it, with Adam Schefter's thing, 108 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 3: you know, suggesting that there could potentially be a trade 109 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 3: out there for him, that Dallas was open to it. 110 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 3: There's few moments in this profession like they happened in 111 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 3: your life, in your daily life, the important parts of 112 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 3: your life that you know, you always think back on, 113 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 3: and they're they're just burned in your brain and see 114 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 3: it in your brain forever. Professionally, there's very few of those. 115 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 3: But the way that this all went down, I'll never 116 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 3: forget it. Because I am literally sitting in the front 117 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 3: row of Mark Murphy's Packers' Hall of Fame press conference. 118 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 3: We just got done talking to his son, Brian. Mark 119 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 3: went up there and gave his initial dialogue, and I 120 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 3: believe it was John Miller from WGBA that was behind 121 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 3: me then, and I'm getting ready to ask, hey, you know, 122 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 3: what did the fans mean to you, you know, in 123 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 3: your time? And John, I believe it was John goes 124 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 3: and says there's a report that the Packers have traded 125 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 3: for Micah Parsons and they're asking for Mark's reaction to it. Now, Mark, 126 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 3: true to form, is like, ah, that's ai, you know, 127 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 3: but because obviously it's not his place anymore. He's the 128 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 3: outgoing and no longer the packer's presence, you know. So 129 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 3: he was just as surprised as all of us. He 130 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 3: was asking who was all involved in the trade, and 131 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 3: going through that press conference and then picking up my 132 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 3: phone as soon as it was done and just seeing 133 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 3: what that looked like. Yeah, text messages, direct messages, just 134 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 3: tweet notifications from various reporters. I've never been a part 135 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 3: of anything like it, So I don't know what it 136 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 3: was like for the city of Green Bay when Reggie 137 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 3: White signed. I don't even really remember what it was 138 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 3: like when Charles Woodson signed. But what you said with 139 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 3: a B, the trade of this magnitude on the literally 140 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 3: the eleventh hour, in thirty minute heading into the regular season, Yeah, 141 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 3: I've never I don't know if I'll ever be a 142 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 3: part of anything like this again. 143 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 2: Well, I certainly I'll certainly never forget it either, because, 144 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 2: as I've outlined in Insider inbox and for those who 145 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 2: have followed these kinds of things over the years, I 146 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 2: have a tendency to be out of town when the 147 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: big things happen with. 148 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: Regard to the Green Bay Packers. 149 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 2: I was actually on a plane family related trip, and 150 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 2: the flight was Thursday afternoon out of Chicago. I turned 151 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 2: off my phone, cracked my book, read a book for 152 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 2: a couple of hours, turned my phone back on when 153 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 2: the plane landed, and went Holy cow. So and this 154 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 2: whole thing, I won't get into it too much, this 155 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 2: whole thing of me being gone when big things happen, 156 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: it all dates back to actually the summer of two 157 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 2: thousand and eight. 158 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: Really, yes it does. 159 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 3: I don't remember that one. 160 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, because in the summer of two thousand and eight, 161 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 2: I was at cub Scout camp with my son when 162 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 2: the news came across my BlackBerry screen that Brett farre 163 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 2: had applied to the Commissioner's office for reinstatement from the 164 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 2: retired list. And so the summer of two thousand and 165 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 2: eight quote unquote began with that moment essentially, And I 166 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 2: was at cub Scout camp with my I guess Robbie 167 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 2: was maybe in second grade then, I don't remember for sure, 168 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 2: second or third grade. 169 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: Anyway, so it dates back to then. 170 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 2: And I also happened to be on a family vacation 171 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 2: when the Packers signed Julius Peppers and I happened to 172 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 2: be on a trip somewhere when DeVante Adams was traded. 173 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 2: Those are the big ones, and there have been several 174 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 2: others over the years that for whatever reason, I happened 175 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 2: to be gone when big news breaks, and so this 176 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 2: one was no different in that regard. But yeah, it's 177 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 2: one of those things that as soon as I saw it, 178 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 2: it was like, yeah, this is huge, you know, because 179 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 2: this is not just huge for the Packers. This changes 180 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 2: the landscape of the NFC North and the NFC and 181 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 2: the playoff chase before the first game is even played 182 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff. So that's the next 183 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 2: thing I want to throw at you in this discussion 184 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 2: is what does this acquisition mean for the Green Bay Packers? 185 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 2: What comes top of mind to you when you think of, Okay, 186 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 2: Micah Parsons is now in Jeff Hafley's defense Championships. 187 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 3: I mean, that's what this is about right now. As 188 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 3: Brian Goodakin said, it's not about one player, and I 189 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 3: agree with him wholeheartedly. There are so many variables with 190 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 3: this game you can never take into account one specific thing. However, 191 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:49,079 Speaker 3: this is moving your chest piece across the board. This 192 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 3: is something we've not seen before, not just with Green Bay, 193 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 3: but I don't I can't think of a situation like 194 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 3: this in the league where it's happened this way, where 195 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 3: a guy wants a trade. All indication are that he's 196 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 3: going to stick around, that they're going to find a 197 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 3: way to make the contract work out despite whatever the 198 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 3: narrative was out there with Jerry Jones and in Parsons camp. 199 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 3: These things always get worked out, right, Guys hold out, 200 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 3: they do extensions. This didn't, and I think it floored everybody. 201 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 3: You saw the reactions down in Dallas to it. For 202 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 3: the Green Bay Packers. This is, as you said, a 203 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 3: seismic event. This is something where you're not just adding 204 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 3: Julius Peppers at thirty four years old. You're not adding 205 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 3: Charles Woodson after numerous Pro Bowls, guy that's been in 206 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 3: the league. Then at that point seven years you are 207 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 3: adding Micah Parsons, who is one of two players in 208 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 3: NFL history since they started recording sacks officially that has 209 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 3: twelve plus sacks in his first four seasons. The other 210 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 3: one's Reggie White. I mean, this is a huge, huge development, 211 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 3: and honestly, talking we were listening to Rashaun Gary in 212 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 3: the locker room on Monday. I mean, it changes the 213 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 3: entire arithmetic of this rush depending on how they want 214 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 3: to use Parsons. Parsons his rookie year. When I was 215 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 3: doing the Five Things, I forgot about this. His rookie year, 216 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 3: they put the communication head set on him. He was 217 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 3: playing off ball linebacker for them in that first year 218 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 3: with the Cowboys. Then they just decided, you know what, 219 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 3: this guy's a really good pass rusher. Maybe we'll just 220 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 3: have a major in that. 221 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. 222 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:20,239 Speaker 3: I mean he can do everything. 223 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, And there had been if I looked it up correctly, 224 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 2: if I saw it correctly. When I looked it up, 225 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 2: the Cowboys rookie record for sacks in a season was 226 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 2: like eight, yeah, by DeMarcus Ware, and Parsons had thirteen 227 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 2: as a rookie. 228 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: I mean, he absolutely shattered the. 229 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 2: Rookie record of a cornerstone franchise in this league. 230 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 3: And I don't know if you've got a chance to 231 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 3: read my five Things, but when I was researching last year, 232 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 3: you know, everyone remembers the ankle injury had at the 233 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 3: middle part of the season, early part of the season 234 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 3: last year, he had eleven sacks in his last nine games. 235 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 3: One of his best games of the season, if not 236 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 3: with the Dallas Cowboys, was his last game. Two and 237 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 3: a half sacks against Washington, a lot of disruption in 238 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 3: that game. So obviously losing a player at Kenny's caliber, 239 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 3: and you know, I can speak to the personal side 240 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 3: of that as well, but it's going to be a 241 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 3: big change for this defensive line. There's a lot of 242 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 3: guys that are gonna have to kind of pull the 243 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 3: boats together and hold that phase of this thing down. 244 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 3: But in terms of edge rush, in terms of third 245 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 3: down nickel packages and passing downs, Packers have some real 246 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 3: horses to get after the quarterback. Now. 247 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And that's the the next question I want 248 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 2: to throw at you in a very general sense, and 249 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 2: you can take this any direction that you want, but 250 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 2: thinking about this move and what it means for the 251 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 2: Packers defense moving forward, what are you most curious about 252 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 2: in terms of how this will look, how this will 253 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 2: play out? 254 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 1: Like, what is that? 255 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 2: What is top of mind? And as far as your 256 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 2: curiosity goes s. 257 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 3: Where this guy lines up? Yeah, I mean, as Rushan 258 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 3: Gary said, you know, he's already had conversation with them. 259 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 3: They can play both sides of line. But realistically, man, 260 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 3: we saw what Jeff Haffley concocted last year with all 261 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 3: these inside linebackers. Kway Walker, Drin Cooper was a defensive 262 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 3: Rookie the Year candidate based on the way he was 263 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 3: utilized in a part time role. Pretty much Parsons can 264 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 3: do those concepts too on third downs. Now, if you 265 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 3: have Parsons on the field, if you have Lucas fans there, 266 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 3: if you ever Sean Gary, can one of those guys 267 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 3: move into the three tech kind of like what Julius 268 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 3: Peppers did early on in his career in Green Bay. 269 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 3: They did some of those NASCAR packages. The opportunities and 270 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 3: the possibilities are endless, And as Mattlafler talked to us 271 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 3: about on Friday night, he said, you know, he can 272 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 3: already envision you know what Jeff Haffley and his coaches 273 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 3: are doing behind the scenes here, you know, dialing some 274 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 3: stuff up and being incredibly energized. Halfley was like the 275 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 3: first guy at the airport welcoming Harmson's off the plane. 276 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,719 Speaker 3: I mean, this is a major piece. Now, I need 277 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 3: to put this out there as well. There is this 278 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 3: back thing that he's working through. We'll have to see 279 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 3: where all those chips fall and what his availability is 280 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 3: really going to be for this game against Detroit. But 281 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 3: long term, the Packers are getting a very hungry, a 282 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 3: very motivated and unworldly gifted pass rusher. This isn't just 283 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 3: the guy works hard, Mike. This is a guy that 284 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 3: works hard and has intangibles that we've rarely seen in 285 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 3: this league. 286 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. 287 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 2: I think for me, the more I the more I 288 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 2: think about this, the more I get curious about just 289 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 2: how similar to what you just said, Just how is 290 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 2: Jeff Haffley going to use this guy and incorporate him 291 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 2: into the mix and you know, times to feature him. 292 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 2: There are times that he's going to be double teamed 293 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 2: and that will you know, affect other players and all 294 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 2: that we saw last year when the plan with Jeff 295 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 2: Haffley in his first year as coordinator was to was 296 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 2: to try to use the straight foreman rush Cover seven 297 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 2: deploy that as as much as possible. But that foreman 298 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 2: rush wasn't getting the job done. So Jeff Haffley got 299 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 2: creative and we saw just how creative he could be. 300 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 2: He came up with more rush for Cover seven packages 301 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 2: than I've ever seen in the course of basically like 302 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 2: have to two thirds of a season. So adding a 303 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 2: guy like Parsons to the mix, on the one hand, 304 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 2: it makes me think, geez, how much more creative can 305 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 2: Jeff Halfley get? Right? But then the other part of 306 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 2: me says, well, maybe he actually won't have to be 307 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 2: as creative because of a guy like Parsons. And that's 308 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 2: where when I think back to last year, it felt 309 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 2: like there were times, especially especially against the teams that 310 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 2: the Packers were playing a second time, the Vikings, the Lions, 311 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 2: the Eagles in the playoffs, it felt like they were 312 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 2: on to Jeff Haffley's tricks. When he was doing a 313 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 2: rush for cover seven where the fourth rusher was the 314 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 2: slot cornerback blitzing and then somebody's dropping off the line 315 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 2: of scrimmage and all the different looks and everything, those 316 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 2: things weren't working as well as they did against other opponents. 317 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 2: There were opponents that had figured had figured that stuff out. 318 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 2: It almost got to the point where those things were 319 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 2: being overused because those were the best options that that 320 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 2: Jeff Halfley had. Well, now that creative stuff, if you 321 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 2: don't have to use it as much, that creative stuff 322 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 2: can be that much more effective because of just what 323 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 2: Micah Parsons does as a straight up here, I come like, 324 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 2: nothing fancy, nothing tricky. This is what we're coming at 325 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 2: you with with Parsons on one edge, Rashan Gary on 326 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 2: the other, and maybe it's Lucas Fanes kicking inside and 327 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 2: you're asking for you know, Carl Brooks or a Coolby 328 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 2: Wooden to be the other inside rusher. Now that Kenny 329 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 2: Clark has gone all sorts of possibilities, of course, but 330 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: that's what goes That's what goes through my mind is 331 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 2: Halfley has the opportunity to be that much more creative, 332 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 2: yet there isn't the necessity that he needs to deploy that. 333 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 2: If I'm making sense there, you are for sure distinction. 334 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. And to be honest with you, 335 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 3: I'm kind of curious too to see how you know Parsons, 336 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 3: you know, the simulated pressures that they were using. Now 337 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 3: you had a guy like Parsons into that mix too, 338 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 3: could be really interesting, right, I mean, even Edrian Cooper 339 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 3: said in the locker room, I mean the nightmares that 340 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,239 Speaker 3: could potentially be cause for offenses here with the utilization 341 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 3: of all these kind of guys that can rush off 342 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 3: the ball in addition to someone like Parsons. But I 343 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 3: think what I enjoy the most, and I've always had 344 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 3: a deep and profound respect for Parsons. You can watch 345 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 3: him in any Sunday and being impressed by what you're 346 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 3: seeing with no doubt. But there's sacks in this league, 347 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:18,959 Speaker 3: and obviously he has a ton of him fifty two 348 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 3: and a half, I believe in his first three seasons, 349 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 3: first four seasons, but he has that rare and tangible 350 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 3: to posterize offensive tackles an offensive linemen in general. Yeah, 351 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 3: Like Reggie White was really, really, really good. He's a 352 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 3: Pro Football Hall of Famer. He put on some of 353 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 3: the most impressive, slash embarrassing tape you're going to ever 354 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 3: see for guys getting bumped around on his hump move 355 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 3: and things like that. Parsons has that type of ability 356 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 3: and he does it at two hundred and forty six, 357 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty pounds. Just remarkable what he's achieved 358 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 3: in this league, and he just has it in him. 359 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 3: So I mean, for the Packers to add a guy 360 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 3: like this and have Forshawn Gart coming back, have Lucas 361 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 3: fanask coming off a strong training camp. They have three 362 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 3: other pass rushers behind that still with Kings Leannigbari, Brenton 363 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:09,959 Speaker 3: Cox Junior, and you know Baron Sorel who's back from 364 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 3: the knee injury. Now there's just different things you can 365 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 3: do with these guys, and again, it's gonna be really 366 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 3: interesting to see what kind of creativity Jeff Hafley and 367 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 3: the Packers' defensive coaches staffs come up with. 368 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, one more thing I have for you before we 369 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 2: move on to a couple of other topics. There are 370 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 2: a lot of answers to this question. You can take 371 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,360 Speaker 2: this any direction you want to. Who is the player 372 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 2: who you believe benefits the most from the addition of 373 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 2: Micah Parsons to this team? 374 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 3: Okay, so it'd be really it would be really easy 375 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 3: to say Rashaan here because he's gonna avoid the double teams. 376 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 3: And if you want to take it that way, I 377 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 3: will leave that open to you. I can't wait to 378 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 3: see Edrin Cooper in this defense with Parsons around. Now. 379 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 3: They play different positions, they're utilizing much different ways, and 380 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 3: I think the Packers are trying to develop the full ensemble, 381 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 3: the all around game of Cooper as an inside linebacker, 382 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 3: as a will linebacker, so that is first and foremost. 383 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 3: His charge this season is developing from the flashes that 384 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 3: he showed last year. But as you talked about with 385 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 3: how offense is adjusted to the Packers, during the second half, 386 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 3: Edrin Cooper was no longer a secret. He was still 387 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 3: very effective, but when he was back and the hamstring 388 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 3: was behind him, he was no longer a secret offenses. 389 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 3: He was one of the guys you are now pinpointing 390 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:30,919 Speaker 3: to try to stop. Yep, this gives you another huge 391 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 3: playmaker that you're gonna have to account for, which means 392 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 3: fewer eyeballs to Cooper and the ways that the Packers 393 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 3: could integrate him in the rush scheme in addition all 394 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 3: the things he does as a linebacker, I think is 395 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 3: really intriguing to me. 396 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and for me and I agree with you that 397 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 2: the easy answer on this is Rashaan Gary because of 398 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 2: all of the chips and the double teams and everything 399 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 2: that he's dealt with on such a high percentage of 400 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 2: snaps that obviously that's going to change. But my answer 401 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 2: to this question is actually Keishawn Nixon. Yeah, for sure, 402 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 2: And I say that and I say that because not 403 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 2: that the Packers play a ton of man to man 404 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 2: where Kishawn is going to be matched up against the 405 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 2: number one receiver for the other team, but there are 406 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 2: going to be times that Jeff Hafley wants to call that, 407 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 2: and if he's going to call Manda man coverage, it's 408 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 2: going to be Kishan lined up across from the number 409 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 2: one guy on the opposing offense. And if Micah Parsons 410 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 2: brings sort of the you know, reverts to the original 411 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 2: Jeff Hafley idea that I was talking about of rush 412 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 2: four and cover seven, and if Halfley wants to play 413 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 2: man to man coverage behind that, if Michah Parsons is 414 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 2: one of those guys in you know, the straight four 415 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 2: man rush and the quarterback doesn't have the kind of 416 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 2: time that quarterbacks had in some of the games against 417 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 2: the Packers last year, I think it's a guy like 418 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 2: Nixon matched up against the number one wide receiver across 419 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 2: from him who's going to benefit because he doesn't have 420 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 2: to cover quite as long he can he can take 421 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 2: a little bit of a different approach to giving to 422 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 2: guarding against giving up the big play when he knows 423 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 2: that a guy like Parsons is not going to give 424 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 2: that quarterback three and a half four and a half 425 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 2: five seconds, you know, in order to try to make 426 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 2: a big play downfield. 427 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 1: So there are. 428 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 2: Numerous ways to look at this, and as you said before, 429 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 2: we don't know how much Parsons is going to be 430 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 2: involved into what extent the Packers can use him right 431 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 2: away in week one and then obviously Week two is 432 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 2: a short week with the Washington game coming up right 433 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 2: after the Detroit games. So there's gonna be a process here. 434 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 2: There's gonna be there's gonna be this long term integration 435 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 2: of incorporating Micah Parsons into this defense before the Packers 436 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 2: actually get to where Okay, he really is a full 437 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 2: fledged member of the defense now, so we have to 438 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 2: see how that unfolds. 439 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,199 Speaker 1: But man, oh man, am I excited to see what 440 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: it looks. 441 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 3: Like if you can get that guy in some third 442 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 3: and six plus situations a dozen times a game. 443 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, these first two weeks exactly. 444 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 3: I mean, he can make a huge impact just doing that. 445 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 1: Question about it, no question. 446 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 2: I mean, look at what the Bears did with Khalil 447 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 2: Mack in the opener in twenty eighteen. Here at lambeau 448 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 2: Field when he hadn't he hadn't practiced all training camp 449 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 2: for the Raiders, he wasn't involved in anything, and he 450 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 2: ends up getting traded right at this before the start 451 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 2: of the regular season. He's on essentially a snap count, 452 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 2: and he completely destroyed Green Bay's offense for the first 453 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 2: two and a half quarters of that game before the 454 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 2: hobbled Aaron Rodgers came back and led this big comeback 455 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:37,360 Speaker 2: for the Packers. So the potential for impact is there 456 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 2: even if he's only out on the field for fifteen 457 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 2: snaps in the opener against it Y. 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The other part of the 471 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 2: Parsons trade that we certainly need to discuss is the 472 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 2: fact that now the Green Bay Packers defense is moving 473 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 2: forward without Kenny Clark, a three time Pro bowler essentially 474 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 2: the anchor of both the run defense and the interior 475 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:50,120 Speaker 2: pass rush for this defense for the last well, really, 476 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 2: i'd say the last eight years. He was kind of 477 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 2: more of a part time players rookie year and then 478 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 2: really by his second season, number ninety seven was the guy. 479 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 2: I know both of us are going to miss him 480 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 2: on a personal level, and I'll let you say what 481 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 2: you'd like to in that regard, but this defense does 482 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 2: have an adjustment to make, especially when it comes to 483 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 2: defending the run and getting pressure on a quarterback from 484 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 2: a defensive tackle on the interior, and that is not 485 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 2: going to be an easy task. 486 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 3: No, it will not be. I mean, Kenny Clark was 487 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 3: the perfect Green Bay Packer and when you go back 488 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 3: and think about that draft pick, I wrote this an 489 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 3: in center inbox. If there was ever anybody that was 490 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 3: more fitting to be the last first round pick of 491 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 3: Ted Thompson, this guy does it. I think it is 492 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 3: somewhat poetic. Some other people have talked about this too, 493 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 3: that Ted's last draft pick on this roster is actually 494 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 3: the one that kind of helps facilitate this huge trade. Yeah, 495 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 3: to get Micah Parsons. Yeah, but what I mean by 496 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 3: that is I mean, obviously, and I'll talk about the 497 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 3: person here in a second, but as a player, Kenny 498 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 3: Clark was never injured, even when he was like last 499 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 3: year with the toe, he played and started every game. 500 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 3: It was a handful of games over nine seasons that 501 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 3: he was not available. And this guy eight snaps. Dude, 502 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 3: how many times did you and I write stories over 503 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 3: the years talking about can the Packers get his playtime 504 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 3: account under eighty percent? Just because he was the known 505 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 3: commodity at a lot of times during his stretch, especially 506 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 3: in that transitionary period after Mike Daniels, where that was 507 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 3: not only your biggest playmaker, that was your best run stopper, 508 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 3: that was the only guy that had a bunch of experience. 509 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 3: He was the leader in the room. He was a 510 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 3: team captain, He was a two time Walter Payton NFL 511 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 3: Man of the Year nominee for the Packers. This guy 512 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 3: did it all, and he did it with a smile 513 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 3: on his face. And he was the same dude every 514 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 3: single day. Carl Brooks was talking about this in the 515 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,479 Speaker 3: locker room afterwards. It is going to be a melee 516 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 3: amongst the Packers' defensive line trying to get Kenny's jersey 517 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 3: next month when the Packers and Cowboys are, you know played. 518 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, they might have to bring a box of Dallas 519 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 2: Cowboy Kenny Clerk jerseys down to the sideline after the 520 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 2: game and start handing him because yeah, all of his 521 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 2: line mates are going to want one. 522 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 3: Everybody wants to do that because it's what Kenny did 523 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 3: to help people in their careers. I mean talking to 524 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,239 Speaker 3: Darryl state Slayton last year. This is a guy that 525 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,199 Speaker 3: came in as a really raw fifth round pick but 526 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 3: had some incredible and tangibles for the National Football League. 527 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 3: Kenny helped bring him along. I think of you know, 528 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 3: Carl Brooks and Kolbe Wooden and would and spent most 529 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 3: of his offseason. He said over at Kenny's house. Kenny 530 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 3: was bringing these guys in for film reviewing these type 531 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 3: of things, and we just. 532 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 2: Saw wouldn't have probably his best training camps as far 533 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 2: as a pro. 534 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. And the moral of the story there is Kenny 535 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 3: wanted these guys to be better. He wanted the group 536 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 3: to be better. He wanted to win that Super Bowl. 537 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 3: He wanted to get back to an NFC championship game again, 538 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 3: and understood it wasn't just on one guy. Oh and 539 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 3: by the way, he was a three time pro bowler 540 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 3: himself and in twenty twenty three had the best year 541 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,479 Speaker 3: of his career with seven and a half sacks. Just 542 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 3: as a human being, as a player, as an athlete, 543 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 3: as a first round pick, this guy carried the torch 544 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:55,640 Speaker 3: better than anybody. 545 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 546 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:56,360 Speaker 1: Absolutely. 547 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 2: I mean the Packers feel that they have the the bodies, 548 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 2: the players, the depth at defensive tackle. When you look 549 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 2: at you have DeVante Wyatt, a first round pick from 550 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 2: a few years back, you have Carl Brooks and Kobe Wooden. 551 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 2: You added two more to that mix now with Warren Brinson, 552 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 2: a six round pick in a Zier stackhouse, an undrafted 553 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 2: rookie who not surprisingly made this roster but they're going 554 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 2: to have to do it without Kenny now, and and 555 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 2: the onus, the onus is on all of them. And 556 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 2: Rashaan Gary spoke in the locker room after Monday's practice saying, hey, 557 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 2: he feels really confident in these guys. He saw them, 558 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 2: he saw them starting to show up that much more 559 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 2: in training camp this year during the joint practices, and 560 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 2: you know, as training camp was winding down and now 561 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:51,239 Speaker 2: that Clark is not here. In Monday's practice, they were 562 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 2: kind of fighting with each other over who was going 563 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 2: to be the first guy in the defensive tackle drills 564 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 2: because that was because Kenny always took the first rep 565 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 2: in every real for how many years. So there's going 566 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 2: to be there's going to be an adjustment there. There 567 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 2: are going to be questions about Green Bay's run defense 568 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 2: and exactly how all this fits personally. As I've said 569 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 2: an insider inbox, I trust Jeff Haffley to figure this 570 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 2: part it out, because Jeff Haffley came in with the 571 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 2: run defense being a question mark here, not that it 572 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 2: was ever a question with Clark, but in terms of 573 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 2: the collective, the run defense was a big question mark 574 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,719 Speaker 2: here for a really long time. Jeff Haffley wasn't handed 575 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 2: a bunch of different personnel and on a bunch of 576 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 2: different pieces, and he figured out how to get the 577 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 2: Packers back up into the top ten and run defense. 578 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 2: So Jeff Haffley will figure this out with the players 579 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 2: that with the players that he's got, But there will 580 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 2: be a leadership void there for somebody to step into. 581 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 2: And and I know you and I are also just 582 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 2: gonna gonna miss the guy in the locker room. You 583 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 2: could you could always just you know, say hi to 584 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 2: Kenny and say hey, what's going on? And you know, 585 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 2: he made in a lot of ways, he made us 586 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 2: feel like one of the guys in the locks sometimes, 587 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 2: even though not all, not all players are necessarily like that, 588 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 2: or that's not even necessarily something we would seek out, Yeah, 589 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 2: but he would kind of make us feel that way. 590 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 3: He was a communal dude. It was the way he 591 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 3: was raised. You know, his mom, his dad did a 592 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 3: tremendous job with him. The way he takes care of 593 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 3: his family. This guy is a plus all across the board. 594 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 3: Just a quick couple of stories. One I have to 595 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 3: make sure I issue an apology here to Joan Melchesky 596 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 3: Megan Robertson and also Scott Thompson. All three of them 597 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 3: had to catch me within minutes of finding out that 598 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 3: Kenny got traded on Thursday, and I was a total jerk, 599 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 3: and I apologize. I was going through it and I 600 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 3: did not want to be by people at that moment, 601 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 3: so I apologized all three of them. I already texted 602 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 3: joeing that, But Kenny's a friend. And there are probably 603 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 3: five guys, six guys and fourteen years covering this team 604 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 3: that I legitimately consider friends. Kenny's one of them, and 605 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 3: it's nothing special about me. It's entire election of him. 606 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 3: And I wrote this an inside or inbox and I'm 607 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 3: just want to tell this quick story now. Last year, 608 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 3: went out to dinner and poor Kenny ended up getting 609 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 3: stuck by my family at a restaurant. And you've met Killian. 610 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 3: He is a rambunctious, extremely extroverted young kiddo. If he 611 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 3: and I don't want to put this all in the air, 612 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 3: but it's true. If he's never met a stranger in 613 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 3: his life, if he meets you once, he's known you forever. Yeah, 614 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 3: And I think my kids successfully ruined like an entire 615 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 3: dinner evening for Kenny Clark without getting into all the details, 616 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 3: just by him being on his shirt tail the entire time. 617 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 3: And it was just a complete coincidence. Just Green Bay, Wisconsin. 618 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 3: You go to a restaurant occasionally you'll run into a 619 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 3: Packer player, right. It was just one of those deals. 620 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 3: And and Kenny was so cool to him and made 621 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 3: such a lasting impression on him at that age that again, 622 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 3: it just speaks to the man, it speaks the individual. 623 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 3: I'm running out of people to talk MMA with. You're 624 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 3: gonna have to start watching UFC for me. 625 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: Oh boy, But I. 626 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 3: Had I had Sadies and then I had Kenny. So 627 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 3: but the last thing, I just want to close on 628 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 3: this because I've seen a lot of people say like, 629 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 3: this was a good trade for the packers. It was 630 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 3: a good trade, but it was also a fair trade. 631 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 3: To get something, you have to give something, and the 632 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 3: Packers gave a big piece of their locker room away 633 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 3: in this trade. And it's not like the Packers just 634 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 3: ran away Scott Free. And I understand Michael Parsons a 635 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 3: big name and he's gonna be on ESPN and people 636 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 3: are going to talk about it. This was a good trade. 637 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 3: It was a fair trade and two first round picks 638 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 3: and someone the caliber, the player and person of Kenny Clark. 639 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 3: I think it shows you what it meant to get 640 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 3: Parsons and what ultimately the Packers field this type of 641 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 3: move can do for them, not just this season, but 642 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 3: now moving into the future. 643 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if it had been up to Brian Gudakunst, 644 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 2: he wouldn't have included Kenny Clark in this deal. But 645 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 2: from everything we've heard, and we've heard it from multiple angles, 646 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 2: the Cowboys insisted that Kenny Clark be the player that 647 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 2: be included with the two first round draft picks, And 648 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 2: so if Guta Kuntz was going to get Parsons, it 649 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 2: was going to cost him Clark. And again, as you said, 650 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 2: that speaks to because of everything that Kenny Clark meant 651 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,239 Speaker 2: to this team and to this locker room over the 652 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 2: course of several years, the fact that Brian Gutakuntz was 653 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 2: willing to do that tells you how he feels about 654 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 2: Micah Parsons and the opportunity that this was and the 655 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 2: opportunity this now creates for the Packers for these multiple 656 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 2: years moving forward. 657 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know Dallas Cowboys you're getting a good one, 658 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 3: so take care of them. 659 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: Well. 660 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 2: We on our next show we'll get to the updates 661 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 2: on the Packers' health and all that, and previewings the 662 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 2: Detroit Lions in week one and all these other things 663 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 2: that we didn't get to because we ended up devoting 664 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 2: this in the show to to the Micah Parsons trade, 665 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 2: but deservedly show. Deservedly so, because I don't think something 666 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 2: like this is ever going to happenrobably not in the 667 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 2: history of Packers Unscripted, so we might as well might 668 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 2: as well dedicate a show to it. But with that 669 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 2: we will call it a rap on this edition of 670 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 2: Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow all of our coverage 671 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 2: of the team as Week one moves along here and 672 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 2: as I said, we will have more on our next 673 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 2: show preview and the Lions and where the Packers stand 674 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 2: and everything heading into the big season opener at lambeau 675 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 2: Field on Sunday afternoon. 676 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 1: For Wes, I am Mike. 677 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 2: Thank you for tuning in everybody, and we will see 678 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 2: you next time.