WEBVTT - Ep. 61: Hot Dubstep For Bitter Catfishermen 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:07.960 Here's what you do. You buy a cheap pack of 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:10.920 smokes with white filters, and you put your squid and 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:12.760 your sparing on your hook, and then you break off 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:15.120 a filter and you stick it over the point. You 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:17.640 couldn't get your sausage fingers in there to whip finish 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:20.320 on the size w D flour? Do you? I turned 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:22.520 back to look at Bill to ask him if he's 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:25.279 got the fish, and he has gone. So is the 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:27.840 seat to my boat and the pedestal. Here's where we're 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:31.360 gonna go back to those uh the anal rays. Please 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:36.160 take us back to the anal raising. Good morning, degenerate anglers, 0:00:36.200 --> 0:00:38.760 and welcome to Bend, the fishing podcast that got its 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:41.200 first fly tying kid in the sixth grade and twenty 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:43.800 six years later, still can't figure out how to use 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:46.720 a whip finished tool. I'm Joe SURMERII and joining me 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:49.440 to co host today my boy Tim Landwer of Tight 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:53.720 Lions Fly Fishing Company in Wisconsin, who people say looks 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:57.240 like Joe Exotic from Tiger King. Tim. What's going on? Brother? 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:00.800 Not much? Joe? How are you today? Bro? I'm great man. 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:02.600 It's good to see. I'm so pumped to have you 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:06.800 here spectacular. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, And it's fitting that 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:09.759 you're here because we're gonna have some fun leaning towards 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:13.559 the fly side of things today, particularly the tying side, 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:15.520 which is a theme I've never really explored. But it's 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:17.679 all gonna make sense in just a little bit. But 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:20.200 before we move on, um, can you use a whip 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:22.280 finisher or do you do it with your fingers? Like me? 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:25.480 So I can use a whip finish. Yeah, well, whip 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:27.520 finishing tool pretty well because we teach a lot of 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:29.960 fly tying classes and stuff, but personally I just used 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:32.520 my fingers, seeing okay. And for anybody who doesn't tie, 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:34.039 it has no idea what we're talking about. It's the 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:37.240 tool that finishes the fly, like makes the little nott 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:40.800 and I've tried. It's like a Rubik's cube. Whoever invented 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:43.280 its sadistic tool to try to teach it, and then 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:45.119 you've got guys in your class who are left hand 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:47.280 and you're like, dude, I'm sorry, I can't help you. 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:49.640 There are no rebates either, but I can't help you. 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:51.360 And you watch it on video and it's just like 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:53.280 boo boo, But I'm like, I can do that. And 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:56.440 I just Rubik's cube is perfect. It just like falls apart. 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:58.520 It just doesn't work. And then it was it was 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:01.400 like Lefty Cray or somebody years ago, like some old 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:03.840 head was like, just use your fingers, and like I 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:06.600 got the fingers thing down, so I just go with that. 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:08.959 I used my fingers too. But yeah, it's a terrible 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:11.280 tool joke. I also tie large flies. I don't tie 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:14.000 Nimpson ship. So it's pretty big thread. So I can 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:16.239 you know, I can get. You couldn't keep your sausage 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:20.840 fingers in there to finish. I couldn't. That's why I 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:24.160 just buy those. But anyway, so a little backstory. Um 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:26.320 so you and I met last summer while filming an 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:29.440 episode of dost Boat season two together. Um and you 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:32.919 showed me your incredible smallmouth fishery on the Monomitee River. 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:37.200 And that episode, along with the spot Burn video which 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:40.200 sort of spawned out of dost Boat and was running 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:43.040 the fly fishing film tour even help you guys make 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:46.240 some serious gains and stopping a big soulfide mine that 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:48.200 was proposed in the area. It was a big win. 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:51.120 It's a huge win. It's a huge win. I can't think. 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:52.800 I mean, it was awesome getting to fish with you 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:56.160 guys last season. Um, but just shedding light on that 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:58.800 mine and that sulfide mine, it's been a big win. 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:00.720 We've kind of got the Mind Company on the run 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:04.000 a little bit and um, you know, we're we're we're 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:06.040 in a very very good place right now and it's 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:08.520 it's thanks to you know, efforts from you guys and 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:11.040 the film tour and stuff shedding light on that. Yeah. 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:13.400 So it's crazy, like so many people make content that 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:15.320 sort of has a message or is like trying to 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:17.560 push people somewhere, but then to have that first hand 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:20.800 experience where it was like, oh damn, people actually watched 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:24.240 that and that made a difference. It got people to rally, 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:27.840 was very very cool. It was super powerful because our 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:29.840 friends at the Coalition to Save Them a nominee, river 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:32.160 Dale Bury and his wife, they had contacted me and 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:34.280 they're like, I mean there were donations that were sent 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:38.320 in from other countries, you know, like, yeah, the Mediator 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:40.760 Crew and you guys have some crazy reach and have 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:45.920 helped out some pretty significant conservation efforts. Are in particular, 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:48.560 I mean it hits home to me. Yeah, so funny 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:51.200 thing about that, right, So I like the first day 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:55.040 of our shoot within a mile, I grabbed a spinning 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:57.480 rod because we were trying to catch a pike for 0:03:57.520 --> 0:03:59.640 the table, right, and you put me in this little 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:03.120 soft eddie and this monster Smally just hammered this jerk bay, right. 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:05.360 It was not really supposed to be Smally water, and 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:07.280 it was actually it was the first fish you saw 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:10.240 on camera in the dost Boat episode. But when the 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:13.240 footage was recut for the film Tour, we submitted the 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:15.440 sequence of that fish, and I made a joke in 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:17.719 the narration. I was like, sea fly, guys, I'll take 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:20.600 a spinning rod out when I fly fish, and you know, nobody, 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:23.599 It's okay, nobody's gonna die. And even though that video 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:26.800 that the one for the film Tour was point nine 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:30.760 percent fly, they refused to let that one conventional fish 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:33.160 stay in the edit, Like, come on, man, I didn't 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:35.000 even notice that. I got to re look at the end. 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:38.400 I was I have selective, you know, like vision on 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:41.000 on that stuff. I want to see it's all fishing, man, 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:52.240 come on, So what's perfection? And we had such beautiful 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:54.559 footage of me catching it on an omen black spinning 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:57.479 rod from our sponsors, Third Team Fishing. But it was 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:01.400 it was an incredible situation because if you recall, you 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:05.680 threw it into that backwater, a fish eight came unbuttoned 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:10.200 and then big and it was a twenty. It was 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:13.839 a tape twenty. I remember some of the crew, Gregson 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:16.680 and some of those guys like, well, we're all set, 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:20.920 that's wrap done. We're done here. Oh man, Well anyway, 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:23.000 so we'll get back to the fly scene now. So 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:25.680 you run a very successful shop. You have for twenty 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:28.400 years now. Um, so here's a question for you. What, 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:32.279 in your opinion, is the most significant material that has 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:35.000 changed the game in flies and say the last ten 0:05:35.080 --> 0:05:38.960 fifteen years. Man, that's that's a big one. That's it. 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:41.240 You've been in my shop. You know how much time 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:45.280 have you have every day? Yeah, you know, I'd have 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:46.720 to say if we if we take a look at 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:49.960 fifteen years and like impact on my my tying, I'd 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:51.720 have to say it's been some of the feathers, like 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:54.760 like companies like Whiting Farms who have bred such good 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:58.039 feathers and offshoots of those feathers have come out from 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:02.120 big shopping for muskie fly I'm sure, but man, you've 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:04.880 been time for a long time. I remember tying atoms 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:07.080 and it took me like four feathers from a cheap 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:10.280 Indian neck to you know, like right right, and now 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:12.880 you can do it. So i'd have to say feathers 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:17.320 or next and synthetic game stuff because there synthetic walls 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:20.680 have exploded to so I can't just say one. Right. Well, 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:22.960 it's funny you bring up feathers. It's an interesting answer 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:26.640 because I would say it's synthetic dubbing material. Now that's 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:29.440 existed for a very long time, right, But I feel 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:31.599 like it was sort of the simultaneous rise in the 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:35.000 popularity of streamer fishing combode with the advent of like 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:38.920 laser dub that made those materials explode. And I remember 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:40.640 when I first got my hands on laser dub, I 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:44.920 was like, oh mg, like this changes everything. No spinning hair, 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:48.160 no playing with wool, Like this was the ship was 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:50.440 the thing that was a thing that we could you know, 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:52.880 you would just dub that onto a hook and make 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:54.320 a dry fly out of it. We're now we're like 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:56.719 we're taking giant clumps of it and you know, folding 0:06:56.720 --> 0:07:01.000 it back exactly. It's been completely repurposed in that regard. Yeah, 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:04.640 this was like Kelly Gallup's Modern uh Trophy. That's that 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:07.080 book was so impactful to me, a modern streamers for 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:09.960 trophy tub. And even then you look at what is 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:12.600 modified from a lot of his patterns were woolheads, hair 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:14.920 heads and stuff. And now the advent of like you said, 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:18.480 laser dub even in the muskie world, it's a mind bender. Yeah. Yeah, 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:20.440 and the but the funny thing is, all these years later, 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:23.120 now I see people post these bait fish patterns and 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:26.320 they're just all synthetic dub and they look cool and 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:28.600 I know they'll catch. But now I'm like, yeah, it's 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:31.400 just all synthetic dubbing though, Like can you even spin hair? Bro? 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:34.160 Like I'm like complete reverse, like you know what I mean. 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:37.080 It's like it made it too easy, like the days 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:39.880 of Dave Whitelock Chris Helm spinning hair. Like, yeah, we'll 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:42.080 just back on some more laser dub, right right, But 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:44.360 kidding aside, So listen up, because I'm about to drop 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:47.200 a fresh bent contest on you guys that I'm really 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:49.400 excited about. Okay, this is why I bring up these dubbings. 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:52.280 One of my favorite dubbings is made by my budd, 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:55.240 Aaron Littera of American Tide Flies out in Pennsylvania, and 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:58.600 he makes this stuff called magnum dubbing. You familiar with that, 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:02.040 I'm not not seen magnum dubbing, Okay, alright, So the 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:04.680 fibers are really long, and he has all these great 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:07.280 color blends, and if you're into tying streamers, this stuff 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:09.680 is great, better, better than laser dub in my opinion. 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:12.480 But Aaron did a thing for me. Um. Some of 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:14.400 you have already seen this on my Instagram account. I 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:18.080 teased it. Aaron has produced a one off special set 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:23.560 of six magnum dubbing colors, all themed around bent right. 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:26.320 So you cannot buy these. These are not for sale. 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:30.160 This is the only complete I know. This is the 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:32.520 only complete set I have, and I want to give 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:35.840 it to one of you. So here are the colors. Right. So, 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:39.200 we've got a nice light olive e tan called Nicotine 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:44.600 Annis in honor of Bob the garbage Man, even though 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:47.640 that dude would never tie on a fly. Um. We've 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:50.640 got we've got like a nice contrasting flashy light gray 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:54.200 called Mystery Tuna, a nod to the Subway tuna debate, 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:57.679 the fake tuna in the sandwiches um a muted neon 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:00.520 orange called hef a in honor of and V for 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:02.520 all you Lance V fans after I don't know if 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:09.800 you're just love the guy he wanted. Very few was 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:12.559 a big fan of him. So we've got a flashed 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:15.240 up shard truths called Dill Pickle Pringles and that's like 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:18.080 for the serious Bend fans. That goes back to our 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:22.200 our best tournament correspondent Ran Stimpkins. We've got a killer 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:25.880 dark brown with purple accents called Mandy's Live Well after 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:28.240 the Mandy Yorke story of a dude shifting in her 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:30.920 live Well. And my personal favorite, which I will tell 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:33.720 you right now I did not get pre authorized. I 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:36.080 didn't care if he was mad. My favorite one is 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:45.400 like this midnight black with iridescent accents called Ross Robertson's Soul. Yea. 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:50.000 So these are all up for grabs, and here's what 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:52.960 we're gonna do between today, October eight and before the 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:55.800 next show airs on Friday the fifteen. I will be 0:09:55.840 --> 0:10:00.000 monitoring those degenerate Angler and Bent podcast hashtags on Instagram. 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:04.280 But I want to see something you made that helps 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:06.760 you catch more fish, Right, we gotta mix it up 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:08.800 a little bit. I don't want to limit this to 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:11.000 to fly tires, though I'm sure we're gonna see plenty 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:13.079 of awesome flies. But this could be a jig, you 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:16.640 tide allure, you repainted whatever. But I'm looking for something 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:19.199 you made. And remember it's not a beauty contest. Tell 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:22.680 me something about it, like the why often wins these 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:24.920 things over the what, and I will post a winner 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:29.080 on my Instagram page the morning of Saturday, October sixteenth, Tim, 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:31.480 would you like to help me be a judge for this? Oh? 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:33.800 My god, I'd like I'd like nothing more. I want 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:36.920 to see these connections in these creations and and and 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:38.839 the names have to be good too. I mean, it 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:41.079 can't just be the fly like, Yeah, we got have 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:44.640 some some stellar names in here. We're gonna consider all 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:46.840 all things. But remember it's just like, it doesn't have 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:48.439 to be the prettiest. I want to know the why. 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:50.920 It's got to be something you made. Um, I'm looking 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:53.400 forward to it. Huge shout out to AAR because these 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:57.040 are these are awesome dubbings. UM Collector's items. Maybe if 0:10:57.040 --> 0:10:58.800 any I don't, I don't know, maybe you can't even 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:00.840 tie with them anyway, get me some of these I 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:02.439 need some of these dumbings. Yeah, I think I can 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:04.000 hook you up. I'm gonna be able to hook you up. 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:06.240 So what we can do? Uh, But in the meantime 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:08.319 we'll move on to smooth Moves, We'll get away from 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:11.680 tying the flies and uh move along to people feeding 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:14.960 them to fish poorly And joining us today is actually 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:18.440 one of your own guide, Nate Simple, who also works 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:21.640 for Tight Lines. So don't spoil it, but do you 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:25.400 think you know what story of client insanity Nate's gonna tell? 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:27.520 I'll tell you what. Joe. Nate is one of my 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:30.440 closest friends and he's guided for me for about sixteen years. 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:34.560 There is an absolutely train of craziness that I've heard 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:36.960 over the last seventeen years, So I can honestly tell you, like, 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:39.280 I have no idea what the hell he would have said. 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:42.199 But I mean, there's literally hundreds of hilarious stories you 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:52.560 could give us today for Smooth Moves. Why joining me 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:56.400 today on Smooth Moves? Fly Guide Nate Simple One are 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:59.679 the guys with the Tight Lines Fly fishing company crew 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:02.400 out in Wisconsin who I met when I was out 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:05.360 there shooting Dost Boat. How are you man? Not bad? 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:08.960 How are you doing, Joe? I'm good, I'm I'm very good. 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:11.280 It's you know, it's weird. We've hung out together because 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:13.520 you were you were running one of the camera boats 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:16.320 on that shoot, but we've never actually fished together. Like 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:18.640 you sort of watched me fish from a distance, which 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:22.040 is impressive, I know, and almost almost as kid as 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:24.240 being on the boat together, but we never actually got 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:26.559 to fish together. I'm like, do for another trip out there. Man. 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:29.000 For a matter of fact, you were not really supposed 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:30.560 to be in Dost Boat at all. But when it 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:31.920 came to the part where we had to take the 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:35.920 engine off that boat, I was like, somebody grabbed Nate. Okay, 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:38.200 just getting Nat in there. So you actually kind of 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:41.400 worked harder on boat mods in season two than I 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:44.760 did on that episode. But anyway, man, so remind me 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:46.840 how many years guiding? Now, how many years you've been 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:51.439 doing this? This is fifty all right, there you go, 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:54.080 and you've been with with tight lines for that long. Yeah. 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:56.360 It just goes to show you. Man. Our friend Tim 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:57.839 Landwherd who has been on the show many times. It 0:12:57.880 --> 0:12:59.520 must be a good due to work force. Stick around 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:03.040 that long. He can see you can trash him though 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:06.240 on this show. It's okay, Okay, he won't. He won't 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:10.360 listen anyways. Yeah, probably not. Probably won't anyway. So you 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:13.000 know what Smooth Moves is all about. Man, the floor 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:16.319 is yours. Wow me make me laugh? What do you got? 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:18.560 I know you've seen some ship I have. I have 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:21.640 And when you hit me up for this a while ago, 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:23.800 so many things we're running through my head. I was like, 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:26.719 oh man, I've got so many stories. Um. And one 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:28.840 of them that came to mind that that I still have, 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:31.679 like other clients have heard, um, you know, and it's 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:34.079 kind of become a little infamous. Up at camp was 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:38.680 a guy who um, in the interest of anonymity in 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:40.720 this guy actually being a decent dude, and he is 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:43.160 fishing with me again like next month. So I'm going 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:46.040 to use a pseudonym here and we'll call him. We'll 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:48.640 call him Bill for the time being. Bill is good. 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:51.280 Bill is good good. So anyways, Bill and I are 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:53.800 in the boat with one of his buddies, and this 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:58.160 is a preseason small mufflow. So we're we're on a 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:00.800 on a small tributary to one of our big rivers, 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:04.120 and it's May. Uh and this river river happens to 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:08.680 drain a considerable percentage of the upper Peninsula of Michigan, 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:13.079 which in the wintertime is it's cold, you know, to 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:15.720 get a lot of snow. So this water that's coming 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:17.600 down into the system, I mean, it's it's like a 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:19.840 little bit above freezing in the first part of May. 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:23.480 So anyways, we get on the water, everything's going smooth. 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:27.040 And I gotta preface this by saying that I had 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:32.800 just gotten a brand new boat from Adipose wonderful ball. Yeah. 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:35.560 So I've had like two days in this boat. It's 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:38.640 still got that new boat smell. Everything stills, you know, 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:42.560 shiny and ship. There's no cigarette stains and burn marks 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:45.440 all over the place yet. Um So, anyways, we're we're 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:48.800 going down the river and we're fishing small mouth, hoping 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:51.800 to possibly get a shot at a muskie if one 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:56.600 presents itself. And we're going down and because the water 0:14:56.680 --> 0:14:59.000 is high, because the water is cold, we're we're looking 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:02.280 for those those gray, little soft spots, those little eddies, 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:04.120 those little slicks and stuff like that. We finally come 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:06.960 up to one and Bill, as well call him, is 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:09.680 sitting in the back of my boat and he's really 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:12.600 enjoying the day. And by enjoying the day, I mean 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:15.840 he's sitting in one of the wonderful pedestal seats that 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:17.800 at a Post puts in their boats, and he's got 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:19.600 his feet up on the on the side of the 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:23.800 boat and he's just chilling. And he pulls back and 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:27.200 he throws a cast into this greasy, little kind of eddie, 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:29.360 you know, some nice fom on and stuff. But he 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:31.480 doesn't mend right away. It's just it's kind of a 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:34.360 little bit of a lazy cast. And he was sitting 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:37.360 down and casting. He's sitting and casting. Yeah, I can't 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:41.320 sit and cast either. Just doesn't feel right anyway. Maybe 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:43.080 maybe there's a reason why he does that, but if 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:45.840 there's not, he can't do that well. For me, it's 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:48.400 it's that I'm greedy and I want to be able 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:50.240 to see what's going on, and I feel like when 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:54.160 I'm sitting I can't see a damn fact. So Bill 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:57.040 throws this fly into this little eddie and he doesn't 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:59.120 mend or anything, and maybe it's because he's sitting down. 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:03.120 Current catches his line, rips the line right out of there, 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:06.600 and as that fly is vacating this eddie, I see 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:10.080 this big, like like a huge, huge small mouth just 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:13.240 kind of levitate up behind his fly, go right after it, 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:16.600 and then go, you know what, this water is really cold. 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:19.600 I don't feel like working that hard throw this. So 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:22.320 the small mouth goes back into his into his spot, 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:25.320 and I immediately dropped the anchor and I stand up 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:27.800 and I say to Bill, I said, Bill, get that 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:30.640 fly back in there, but work the fly this time. 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:32.520 Throw a mend into it right away. Get that fly 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:36.320 slow down. So I dropped the anchor. I'm now standing up, 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:39.160 looking to my right, right at the right ut of 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:42.360 the shore, right into this eddy, and Bill, still seated, 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:46.280 throws a nice cast right into the eddy. Fly hits 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:50.400 the water, He mends, he mend's, and right on cue this, 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:52.720 the murder minow is just kind of hanging there in 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:55.560 that in that grease. Just suspend it, and this big 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:58.600 small mouth just comes up and it just just disappears 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:02.440 the whole thing, and I, in all my excitement, just 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:05.640 hit him, hit him, hit him, and all of a sudden, 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:10.560 the boat rocks violently. I hear this this ripping noise 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:15.760 followed by a big splash, and there's this moment where 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:19.000 I'm just frozen and I'm like, what the hell just happened? 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:21.600 And I turned back to look at Bill to ask 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:24.080 him if he's got the fish, and he has gone, 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:26.960 so is the seat to my boat and the pedestal. 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:33.400 So I'm doing this moment where I'm like, oh my god. 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:35.960 And I look back at the water and the fish 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:38.840 is still, like I can see it on the line 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:40.639 because the line is it's a floating line, it's a 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:42.480 short line, so I can see the line like bent 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:44.920 into there. And I look back. I've got a bare 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:48.360 boat floor, no seat, no pedestal, nothing in the back 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:51.520 of my brand new boat, and my client is in 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:53.879 the water. Bill is in the water behind me, in 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:57.320 fifty degree water on his back. And if you've ever 0:17:57.359 --> 0:17:59.960 flipped like a snapping turtle on its back in the water, 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:01.800 and you see him doing that thing where they're trying 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:05.240 to right themselves, that's the invitation that I'm getting out 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:09.760 of Bill right now. And thankfully for him, the water 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:12.560 happened to be about three ft deep, so he stands up, 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:15.600 lifts his rod tip up. He's still got the damn 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:18.720 fish on and he he makes his way back to 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:20.320 the boat. He gets a hand on the side of 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:23.680 the boat. I don't know how he's not frantically gasping 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:25.880 for air, because this water is, like I said, it's 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:29.960 a little bo freezing. He got the life right out 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:32.720 of here. Yeah, he kind of hands me the rod 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:35.080 to hold onto the fish. Will he will. He tries 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:38.760 to get himself back into the boat. And he gets 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:41.800 back in the boat. We land the fish, and and 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:43.879 I kind of turned on and I look at him, 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:47.080 and I'm like, what the hell did you do? You know? 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:49.720 And and he, you know, had his feet up on 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:52.639 the gut. And what I know happened was in his 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:56.800 excitement that fish ate and he threw his entire weight 0:18:56.920 --> 0:19:01.040 and pushed with his feet back into that seat and basically, 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:03.080 you know, did his impression of a guy at anytime 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:06.119 fitness on the legs sled machine into the back of 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:09.199 my damn this thing, and still had enough momentum to 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:11.879 throw himself out the backside of the boat, you know. 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:14.919 And oh man, yeah, so it was it was just 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:18.640 I was shocked that a he didn't freeze to death 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:21.480 and be he got himself back in the boat and 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:25.440 and that I didn't kill it because he his first 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:27.760 comment out of his milk was not like, oh ship, dude, 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:30.720 I really messed that up, but it was like, you know, oh, 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:34.359 this is clearly a manufacturer's flaw. And I was like, no, dude, 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:38.840 it wasn't. But on a serious note, right, So that's 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:42.160 that's funny that he went right to manufacturer's defect because 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:45.920 I know who that guy is. I've met that guy before. Um, 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:48.399 did you have to bail? I mean that had to 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:52.400 be a potential hypothermic situation, right, No, So the sun 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:54.480 was actually out, it was it was the air temperature 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:58.760 was like seventy degree. So yeah, back in his big concern, 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:01.920 the main thing that he was concerned about was not 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:04.400