1 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: Here's what you do. You buy a cheap pack of 2 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: smokes with white filters, and you put your squid and 3 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: your sparing on your hook, and then you break off 4 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: a filter and you stick it over the point. You 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: couldn't get your sausage fingers in there to whip finish 6 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: on the size w D flour? Do you? I turned 7 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: back to look at Bill to ask him if he's 8 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: got the fish, and he has gone. So is the 9 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: seat to my boat and the pedestal. Here's where we're 10 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: gonna go back to those uh the anal rays. Please 11 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 1: take us back to the anal raising. Good morning, degenerate anglers, 12 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: and welcome to Bend, the fishing podcast that got its 13 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: first fly tying kid in the sixth grade and twenty 14 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: six years later, still can't figure out how to use 15 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: a whip finished tool. I'm Joe SURMERII and joining me 16 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: to co host today my boy Tim Landwer of Tight 17 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: Lions Fly Fishing Company in Wisconsin, who people say looks 18 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: like Joe Exotic from Tiger King. Tim. What's going on? Brother? 19 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: Not much? Joe? How are you today? Bro? I'm great man. 20 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: It's good to see. I'm so pumped to have you 21 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: here spectacular. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, And it's fitting that 22 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 1: you're here because we're gonna have some fun leaning towards 23 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:13,559 Speaker 1: the fly side of things today, particularly the tying side, 24 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: which is a theme I've never really explored. But it's 25 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: all gonna make sense in just a little bit. But 26 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: before we move on, um, can you use a whip 27 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: finisher or do you do it with your fingers? Like me? 28 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: So I can use a whip finish. Yeah, well, whip 29 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: finishing tool pretty well because we teach a lot of 30 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: fly tying classes and stuff, but personally I just used 31 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: my fingers, seeing okay. And for anybody who doesn't tie, 32 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 1: it has no idea what we're talking about. It's the 33 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: tool that finishes the fly, like makes the little nott 34 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: and I've tried. It's like a Rubik's cube. Whoever invented 35 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: its sadistic tool to try to teach it, and then 36 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,119 Speaker 1: you've got guys in your class who are left hand 37 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: and you're like, dude, I'm sorry, I can't help you. 38 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: There are no rebates either, but I can't help you. 39 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: And you watch it on video and it's just like 40 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: boo boo, But I'm like, I can do that. And 41 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: I just Rubik's cube is perfect. It just like falls apart. 42 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: It just doesn't work. And then it was it was 43 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: like Lefty Cray or somebody years ago, like some old 44 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: head was like, just use your fingers, and like I 45 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: got the fingers thing down, so I just go with that. 46 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 1: I used my fingers too. But yeah, it's a terrible 47 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: tool joke. I also tie large flies. I don't tie 48 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: Nimpson ship. So it's pretty big thread. So I can 49 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,239 Speaker 1: you know, I can get. You couldn't keep your sausage 50 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: fingers in there to finish. I couldn't. That's why I 51 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: just buy those. But anyway, so a little backstory. Um 52 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: so you and I met last summer while filming an 53 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: episode of dost Boat season two together. Um and you 54 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: showed me your incredible smallmouth fishery on the Monomitee River. 55 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: And that episode, along with the spot Burn video which 56 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: sort of spawned out of dost Boat and was running 57 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: the fly fishing film tour even help you guys make 58 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: some serious gains and stopping a big soulfide mine that 59 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: was proposed in the area. It was a big win. 60 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: It's a huge win. It's a huge win. I can't think. 61 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: I mean, it was awesome getting to fish with you 62 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: guys last season. Um, but just shedding light on that 63 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: mine and that sulfide mine, it's been a big win. 64 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: We've kind of got the Mind Company on the run 65 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: a little bit and um, you know, we're we're we're 66 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: in a very very good place right now and it's 67 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: it's thanks to you know, efforts from you guys and 68 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: the film tour and stuff shedding light on that. Yeah. 69 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: So it's crazy, like so many people make content that 70 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: sort of has a message or is like trying to 71 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: push people somewhere, but then to have that first hand 72 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: experience where it was like, oh damn, people actually watched 73 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: that and that made a difference. It got people to rally, 74 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: was very very cool. It was super powerful because our 75 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: friends at the Coalition to Save Them a nominee, river 76 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: Dale Bury and his wife, they had contacted me and 77 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: they're like, I mean there were donations that were sent 78 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: in from other countries, you know, like, yeah, the Mediator 79 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: Crew and you guys have some crazy reach and have 80 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: helped out some pretty significant conservation efforts. Are in particular, 81 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: I mean it hits home to me. Yeah, so funny 82 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: thing about that, right, So I like the first day 83 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: of our shoot within a mile, I grabbed a spinning 84 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: rod because we were trying to catch a pike for 85 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: the table, right, and you put me in this little 86 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: soft eddie and this monster Smally just hammered this jerk bay, right. 87 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: It was not really supposed to be Smally water, and 88 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: it was actually it was the first fish you saw 89 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: on camera in the dost Boat episode. But when the 90 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: footage was recut for the film Tour, we submitted the 91 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: sequence of that fish, and I made a joke in 92 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 1: the narration. I was like, sea fly, guys, I'll take 93 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: a spinning rod out when I fly fish, and you know, nobody, 94 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 1: It's okay, nobody's gonna die. And even though that video 95 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: that the one for the film Tour was point nine 96 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: percent fly, they refused to let that one conventional fish 97 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: stay in the edit, Like, come on, man, I didn't 98 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: even notice that. I got to re look at the end. 99 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: I was I have selective, you know, like vision on 100 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: on that stuff. I want to see it's all fishing, man, 101 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: come on, So what's perfection? And we had such beautiful 102 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,559 Speaker 1: footage of me catching it on an omen black spinning 103 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 1: rod from our sponsors, Third Team Fishing. But it was 104 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: it was an incredible situation because if you recall, you 105 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: threw it into that backwater, a fish eight came unbuttoned 106 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: and then big and it was a twenty. It was 107 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: a tape twenty. I remember some of the crew, Gregson 108 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: and some of those guys like, well, we're all set, 109 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: that's wrap done. We're done here. Oh man, Well anyway, 110 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: so we'll get back to the fly scene now. So 111 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: you run a very successful shop. You have for twenty 112 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: years now. Um, so here's a question for you. What, 113 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: in your opinion, is the most significant material that has 114 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: changed the game in flies and say the last ten 115 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: fifteen years. Man, that's that's a big one. That's it. 116 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: You've been in my shop. You know how much time 117 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 1: have you have every day? Yeah, you know, I'd have 118 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: to say if we if we take a look at 119 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: fifteen years and like impact on my my tying, I'd 120 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: have to say it's been some of the feathers, like 121 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: like companies like Whiting Farms who have bred such good 122 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 1: feathers and offshoots of those feathers have come out from 123 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: big shopping for muskie fly I'm sure, but man, you've 124 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: been time for a long time. I remember tying atoms 125 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: and it took me like four feathers from a cheap 126 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 1: Indian neck to you know, like right right, and now 127 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: you can do it. So i'd have to say feathers 128 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: or next and synthetic game stuff because there synthetic walls 129 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: have exploded to so I can't just say one. Right. Well, 130 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: it's funny you bring up feathers. It's an interesting answer 131 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: because I would say it's synthetic dubbing material. Now that's 132 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: existed for a very long time, right, But I feel 133 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: like it was sort of the simultaneous rise in the 134 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: popularity of streamer fishing combode with the advent of like 135 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: laser dub that made those materials explode. And I remember 136 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: when I first got my hands on laser dub, I 137 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: was like, oh mg, like this changes everything. No spinning hair, 138 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: no playing with wool, Like this was the ship was 139 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: the thing that was a thing that we could you know, 140 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: you would just dub that onto a hook and make 141 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: a dry fly out of it. We're now we're like 142 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: we're taking giant clumps of it and you know, folding 143 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: it back exactly. It's been completely repurposed in that regard. Yeah, 144 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: this was like Kelly Gallup's Modern uh Trophy. That's that 145 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: book was so impactful to me, a modern streamers for 146 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: trophy tub. And even then you look at what is 147 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: modified from a lot of his patterns were woolheads, hair 148 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: heads and stuff. And now the advent of like you said, 149 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: laser dub even in the muskie world, it's a mind bender. Yeah. Yeah, 150 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: and the but the funny thing is, all these years later, 151 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: now I see people post these bait fish patterns and 152 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: they're just all synthetic dub and they look cool and 153 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: I know they'll catch. But now I'm like, yeah, it's 154 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: just all synthetic dubbing though, Like can you even spin hair? Bro? 155 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: Like I'm like complete reverse, like you know what I mean. 156 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: It's like it made it too easy, like the days 157 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: of Dave Whitelock Chris Helm spinning hair. Like, yeah, we'll 158 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: just back on some more laser dub, right right, But 159 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: kidding aside, So listen up, because I'm about to drop 160 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: a fresh bent contest on you guys that I'm really 161 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: excited about. Okay, this is why I bring up these dubbings. 162 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: One of my favorite dubbings is made by my budd, 163 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: Aaron Littera of American Tide Flies out in Pennsylvania, and 164 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: he makes this stuff called magnum dubbing. You familiar with that, 165 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: I'm not not seen magnum dubbing, Okay, alright, So the 166 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: fibers are really long, and he has all these great 167 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: color blends, and if you're into tying streamers, this stuff 168 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: is great, better, better than laser dub in my opinion. 169 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: But Aaron did a thing for me. Um. Some of 170 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: you have already seen this on my Instagram account. I 171 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: teased it. Aaron has produced a one off special set 172 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: of six magnum dubbing colors, all themed around bent right. 173 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: So you cannot buy these. These are not for sale. 174 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: This is the only complete I know. This is the 175 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: only complete set I have, and I want to give 176 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: it to one of you. So here are the colors. Right. So, 177 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: we've got a nice light olive e tan called Nicotine 178 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: Annis in honor of Bob the garbage Man, even though 179 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: that dude would never tie on a fly. Um. We've 180 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: got we've got like a nice contrasting flashy light gray 181 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 1: called Mystery Tuna, a nod to the Subway tuna debate, 182 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 1: the fake tuna in the sandwiches um a muted neon 183 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: orange called hef a in honor of and V for 184 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: all you Lance V fans after I don't know if 185 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: you're just love the guy he wanted. Very few was 186 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 1: a big fan of him. So we've got a flashed 187 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: up shard truths called Dill Pickle Pringles and that's like 188 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: for the serious Bend fans. That goes back to our 189 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: our best tournament correspondent Ran Stimpkins. We've got a killer 190 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: dark brown with purple accents called Mandy's Live Well after 191 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: the Mandy Yorke story of a dude shifting in her 192 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: live Well. And my personal favorite, which I will tell 193 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: you right now I did not get pre authorized. I 194 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: didn't care if he was mad. My favorite one is 195 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: like this midnight black with iridescent accents called Ross Robertson's Soul. Yea. 196 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: So these are all up for grabs, and here's what 197 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: we're gonna do between today, October eight and before the 198 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: next show airs on Friday the fifteen. I will be 199 00:09:55,840 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: monitoring those degenerate Angler and Bent podcast hashtags on Instagram. 200 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: But I want to see something you made that helps 201 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: you catch more fish, Right, we gotta mix it up 202 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: a little bit. I don't want to limit this to 203 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: to fly tires, though I'm sure we're gonna see plenty 204 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,079 Speaker 1: of awesome flies. But this could be a jig, you 205 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: tide allure, you repainted whatever. But I'm looking for something 206 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 1: you made. And remember it's not a beauty contest. Tell 207 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 1: me something about it, like the why often wins these 208 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: things over the what, and I will post a winner 209 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: on my Instagram page the morning of Saturday, October sixteenth, Tim, 210 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: would you like to help me be a judge for this? Oh? 211 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: My god, I'd like I'd like nothing more. I want 212 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: to see these connections in these creations and and and 213 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 1: the names have to be good too. I mean, it 214 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 1: can't just be the fly like, Yeah, we got have 215 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: some some stellar names in here. We're gonna consider all 216 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: all things. But remember it's just like, it doesn't have 217 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 1: to be the prettiest. I want to know the why. 218 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: It's got to be something you made. Um, I'm looking 219 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: forward to it. Huge shout out to AAR because these 220 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: are these are awesome dubbings. UM Collector's items. Maybe if 221 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: any I don't, I don't know, maybe you can't even 222 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: tie with them anyway, get me some of these I 223 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:02,439 Speaker 1: need some of these dumbings. Yeah, I think I can 224 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: hook you up. I'm gonna be able to hook you up. 225 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: So what we can do? Uh, But in the meantime 226 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 1: we'll move on to smooth Moves, We'll get away from 227 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: tying the flies and uh move along to people feeding 228 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: them to fish poorly And joining us today is actually 229 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: one of your own guide, Nate Simple, who also works 230 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: for Tight Lines. So don't spoil it, but do you 231 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: think you know what story of client insanity Nate's gonna tell? 232 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. Joe. Nate is one of my 233 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: closest friends and he's guided for me for about sixteen years. 234 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: There is an absolutely train of craziness that I've heard 235 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: over the last seventeen years, So I can honestly tell you, like, 236 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: I have no idea what the hell he would have said. 237 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,199 Speaker 1: But I mean, there's literally hundreds of hilarious stories you 238 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: could give us today for Smooth Moves. Why joining me 239 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: today on Smooth Moves? Fly Guide Nate Simple One are 240 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 1: the guys with the Tight Lines Fly fishing company crew 241 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: out in Wisconsin who I met when I was out 242 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: there shooting Dost Boat. How are you man? Not bad? 243 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: How are you doing, Joe? I'm good, I'm I'm very good. 244 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: It's you know, it's weird. We've hung out together because 245 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: you were you were running one of the camera boats 246 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 1: on that shoot, but we've never actually fished together. Like 247 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: you sort of watched me fish from a distance, which 248 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: is impressive, I know, and almost almost as kid as 249 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: being on the boat together, but we never actually got 250 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 1: to fish together. I'm like, do for another trip out there. Man. 251 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: For a matter of fact, you were not really supposed 252 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: to be in Dost Boat at all. But when it 253 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: came to the part where we had to take the 254 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: engine off that boat, I was like, somebody grabbed Nate. Okay, 255 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: just getting Nat in there. So you actually kind of 256 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: worked harder on boat mods in season two than I 257 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: did on that episode. But anyway, man, so remind me 258 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: how many years guiding? Now, how many years you've been 259 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:51,439 Speaker 1: doing this? This is fifty all right, there you go, 260 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: and you've been with with tight lines for that long. Yeah. 261 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: It just goes to show you. Man. Our friend Tim 262 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 1: Landwherd who has been on the show many times. It 263 00:12:57,880 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: must be a good due to work force. Stick around 264 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: that long. He can see you can trash him though 265 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: on this show. It's okay, Okay, he won't. He won't 266 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: listen anyways. Yeah, probably not. Probably won't anyway. So you 267 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: know what Smooth Moves is all about. Man, the floor 268 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 1: is yours. Wow me make me laugh? What do you got? 269 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 1: I know you've seen some ship I have. I have 270 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: And when you hit me up for this a while ago, 271 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: so many things we're running through my head. I was like, 272 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,719 Speaker 1: oh man, I've got so many stories. Um. And one 273 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: of them that came to mind that that I still have, 274 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 1: like other clients have heard, um, you know, and it's 275 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 1: kind of become a little infamous. Up at camp was 276 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: a guy who um, in the interest of anonymity in 277 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: this guy actually being a decent dude, and he is 278 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: fishing with me again like next month. So I'm going 279 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: to use a pseudonym here and we'll call him. We'll 280 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: call him Bill for the time being. Bill is good. 281 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: Bill is good good. So anyways, Bill and I are 282 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: in the boat with one of his buddies, and this 283 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: is a preseason small mufflow. So we're we're on a 284 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: on a small tributary to one of our big rivers, 285 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: and it's May. Uh and this river river happens to 286 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 1: drain a considerable percentage of the upper Peninsula of Michigan, 287 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:13,079 Speaker 1: which in the wintertime is it's cold, you know, to 288 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: get a lot of snow. So this water that's coming 289 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: down into the system, I mean, it's it's like a 290 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: little bit above freezing in the first part of May. 291 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: So anyways, we get on the water, everything's going smooth. 292 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: And I gotta preface this by saying that I had 293 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: just gotten a brand new boat from Adipose wonderful ball. Yeah. 294 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: So I've had like two days in this boat. It's 295 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: still got that new boat smell. Everything stills, you know, 296 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: shiny and ship. There's no cigarette stains and burn marks 297 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: all over the place yet. Um So, anyways, we're we're 298 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: going down the river and we're fishing small mouth, hoping 299 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: to possibly get a shot at a muskie if one 300 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: presents itself. And we're going down and because the water 301 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: is high, because the water is cold, we're we're looking 302 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: for those those gray, little soft spots, those little eddies, 303 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: those little slicks and stuff like that. We finally come 304 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: up to one and Bill, as well call him, is 305 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: sitting in the back of my boat and he's really 306 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: enjoying the day. And by enjoying the day, I mean 307 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: he's sitting in one of the wonderful pedestal seats that 308 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: at a Post puts in their boats, and he's got 309 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: his feet up on the on the side of the 310 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: boat and he's just chilling. And he pulls back and 311 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: he throws a cast into this greasy, little kind of eddie, 312 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: you know, some nice fom on and stuff. But he 313 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: doesn't mend right away. It's just it's kind of a 314 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: little bit of a lazy cast. And he was sitting 315 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: down and casting. He's sitting and casting. Yeah, I can't 316 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: sit and cast either. Just doesn't feel right anyway. Maybe 317 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: maybe there's a reason why he does that, but if 318 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: there's not, he can't do that well. For me, it's 319 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: it's that I'm greedy and I want to be able 320 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: to see what's going on, and I feel like when 321 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: I'm sitting I can't see a damn fact. So Bill 322 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: throws this fly into this little eddie and he doesn't 323 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: mend or anything, and maybe it's because he's sitting down. 324 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: Current catches his line, rips the line right out of there, 325 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: and as that fly is vacating this eddie, I see 326 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: this big, like like a huge, huge small mouth just 327 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: kind of levitate up behind his fly, go right after it, 328 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: and then go, you know what, this water is really cold. 329 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: I don't feel like working that hard throw this. So 330 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: the small mouth goes back into his into his spot, 331 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: and I immediately dropped the anchor and I stand up 332 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: and I say to Bill, I said, Bill, get that 333 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: fly back in there, but work the fly this time. 334 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: Throw a mend into it right away. Get that fly 335 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: slow down. So I dropped the anchor. I'm now standing up, 336 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: looking to my right, right at the right ut of 337 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: the shore, right into this eddy, and Bill, still seated, 338 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: throws a nice cast right into the eddy. Fly hits 339 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: the water, He mends, he mend's, and right on cue this, 340 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: the murder minow is just kind of hanging there in 341 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: that in that grease. Just suspend it, and this big 342 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: small mouth just comes up and it just just disappears 343 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: the whole thing, and I, in all my excitement, just 344 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 1: hit him, hit him, hit him, and all of a sudden, 345 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: the boat rocks violently. I hear this this ripping noise 346 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: followed by a big splash, and there's this moment where 347 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: I'm just frozen and I'm like, what the hell just happened? 348 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: And I turned back to look at Bill to ask 349 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: him if he's got the fish, and he has gone, 350 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: so is the seat to my boat and the pedestal. 351 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 1: So I'm doing this moment where I'm like, oh my god. 352 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: And I look back at the water and the fish 353 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: is still, like I can see it on the line 354 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 1: because the line is it's a floating line, it's a 355 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: short line, so I can see the line like bent 356 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: into there. And I look back. I've got a bare 357 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 1: boat floor, no seat, no pedestal, nothing in the back 358 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: of my brand new boat, and my client is in 359 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: the water. Bill is in the water behind me, in 360 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: fifty degree water on his back. And if you've ever 361 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: flipped like a snapping turtle on its back in the water, 362 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: and you see him doing that thing where they're trying 363 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: to right themselves, that's the invitation that I'm getting out 364 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: of Bill right now. And thankfully for him, the water 365 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: happened to be about three ft deep, so he stands up, 366 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: lifts his rod tip up. He's still got the damn 367 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: fish on and he he makes his way back to 368 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: the boat. He gets a hand on the side of 369 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: the boat. I don't know how he's not frantically gasping 370 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 1: for air, because this water is, like I said, it's 371 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: a little bo freezing. He got the life right out 372 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: of here. Yeah, he kind of hands me the rod 373 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: to hold onto the fish. Will he will. He tries 374 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: to get himself back into the boat. And he gets 375 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: back in the boat. We land the fish, and and 376 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 1: I kind of turned on and I look at him, 377 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: and I'm like, what the hell did you do? You know? 378 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: And and he, you know, had his feet up on 379 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: the gut. And what I know happened was in his 380 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: excitement that fish ate and he threw his entire weight 381 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: and pushed with his feet back into that seat and basically, 382 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: you know, did his impression of a guy at anytime 383 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 1: fitness on the legs sled machine into the back of 384 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,199 Speaker 1: my damn this thing, and still had enough momentum to 385 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 1: throw himself out the backside of the boat, you know. 386 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 1: And oh man, yeah, so it was it was just 387 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 1: I was shocked that a he didn't freeze to death 388 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: and be he got himself back in the boat and 389 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 1: and that I didn't kill it because he his first 390 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: comment out of his milk was not like, oh ship, dude, 391 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: I really messed that up, but it was like, you know, oh, 392 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: this is clearly a manufacturer's flaw. And I was like, no, dude, 393 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: it wasn't. But on a serious note, right, So that's 394 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 1: that's funny that he went right to manufacturer's defect because 395 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: I know who that guy is. I've met that guy before. Um, 396 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: did you have to bail? I mean that had to 397 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 1: be a potential hypothermic situation, right, No, So the sun 398 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: was actually out, it was it was the air temperature 399 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: was like seventy degree. So yeah, back in his big concern, 400 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: the main thing that he was concerned about was not 401 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 1: anybody's comfort or well being the rest of the trip. 402 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 1: It was that the Copenhagen in his breast pocket was 403 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: was was still dry. So once we once we got 404 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 1: that resolved and figured out that we were good there, um, 405 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: you know, we we kind of went on on our way. 406 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 1: So I then had to do the you know, the 407 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: call of shame and call the guys out at adipose 408 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: and and uh, you know, they walked walked me through 409 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: how to kind of resolve it, and and it was 410 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 1: it could have been worse. I mean he could have 411 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: ripped like the whole floor out and had water coming 412 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: in the boat. But you know, they right away I 413 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 1: was justin told me that in their like seventeen years, 414 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: they had never ever seen that happen, never seen one 415 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: getting ripped clean out of the Baltic birch. And the 416 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 1: bolts that hold this sucker in like you know, they 417 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 1: were like the size of my pinkie, these giant coarse 418 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: thread epoxied in and just boom ripped them right out 419 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 1: of there. So the thing you have to understand about 420 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 1: Nate is Nate is about the most I know he's 421 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: listening right now. He's like the most type a you know, 422 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: very particular guy. I mean his truck. He's the guy 423 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: that you want to buy his youth truck from because 424 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: like it's that's like brands banking. Um. So I remember 425 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: he got his new boat as a brand new boat, 426 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 1: you know, only a handful of weeks old. And a 427 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: lot of our guys rotate boats every couple of years. 428 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: They have you know, things with some of the different companies. 429 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: And I remember coming back to camp like completely just 430 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 1: just a train wreck. And in one hand he's got 431 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: the seat with like four bolts of these stainless deal 432 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 1: boats hanging out like and and like this is this 433 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 1: is kind of in the beginning of the guide season. 434 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: I think it was in the beginning of the guy season, 435 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: but like it's pretty tough to guide without a boat 436 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: without a seat at the zero hour the day this happened, 437 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: you saw the initial aftermath. I saw the aftermath. And 438 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: in fact, we have seven or eight guys that worked 439 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: through our operation. We're all cleaning up our boats and 440 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: having beers. And you could see him just kind of 441 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: squeal into the parking lot, you know, makes like a 442 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: big U turn and drops So what the you know, 443 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 1: one of these and it was it was spectacular. So 444 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 1: and I think the worst part is nobody was hurt. 445 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 1: But I think the guy like literally threw himself out 446 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: of the boat like hooks that was so powerful, like 447 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: launch himself out. It's funny because what I actually identified 448 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: with the guy freaking out over his can of dip 449 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: getting wet, because as an ex smoker of cigarettes, I 450 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: feel that pain like I did. I once dropped in 451 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 1: on a ten mile flow years ago and in the 452 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: first quarter mile my lighter fell in and I did 453 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: not have another and it was a miserable day for me. 454 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: And steal that and and looking back on it now, right, like, 455 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: what a stupid thing to ruin a day like That's 456 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: terrible that you could ruin a beautiful day. But if 457 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: you ever smoked or dipped like you get that too, absolutely, 458 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: And if memory serves me correct, like he's doggy paddle 459 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: and left handed and holding his tin up in the 460 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: other hand, I mean he made it work, So I 461 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: don't I don't think that Copenhagen got to drop of 462 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: water on it. True true nicotine addict right there. Anyway, 463 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: guess what else I'm addicted to. That would be winning 464 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: at fish News against my new opponent, Hayden Sammock Fish. 465 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 1: That escalated quickly, so I already gave him a shout 466 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: out on Instagram last week. But I'm not sure that 467 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: listener Dominic de flu Mary is on Instagram, so just 468 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,199 Speaker 1: in case, right, Uh, this New Yorker hit me up 469 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: and said, hey, man, I found something in an old 470 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,199 Speaker 1: tackle box I want to send you and while he 471 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: didn't say what it was, I I just knew and 472 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: I was right. Um, Dom sent me a well used 473 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: hippie spoon, right yeah, right, And for those of you 474 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: that don't know what the hell I'm talking about, I 475 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,360 Speaker 1: did an end of the line segment on these spoons, 476 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: which I grew up using for snapper blue fish. Um. 477 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 1: And when I was a kid, there was a card 478 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: of them on every counter at every Jersey shore tackle shop. 479 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: And then I go to research them and it was 480 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: like they never existed. There was like like, yeah, like 481 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: Mandel effect. Somebody brought that up. They actually said that 482 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: I have outsmarted the Mandela effect because of Dom's generosity. Um. 483 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: But it was like they were just erased from time 484 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 1: and history. But Dom has proven I'm not crazy. And 485 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: of course my bud, Dave Hosler over at Pilecast he 486 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,199 Speaker 1: had to chime in and say like, well, how do 487 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: you know you're actually holding that lord in your hand? 488 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like like Bill Hicks said, 489 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 1: this is all a dream, which which could be true. 490 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I do appreciate it, dude. I 491 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 1: love the bend listeners man say, helping us keep our 492 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: sanity in more ways than one, exactly exactly. So what 493 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: else do we need to talk about? I know lots 494 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: of people think you're high when you record fish and 495 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: I've insisted that you're not. That's just what you sound like. 496 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: What would you like to speak to that at all? 497 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 1: A little bit? I am most certainly not high. This 498 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: is just my This is just what I sound like. 499 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I will say I do have a little 500 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,120 Speaker 1: bit of a cold right now. And I was telling 501 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: you about this this more and Joe about my day 502 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: quill night quill sort of dilemma. Yeah, you have one 503 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: but not the other, so you can't can't you can't 504 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: cancel out the night quill with day quill. It's day 505 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: quill you don't have, Yeah, it's day quill. I don't have. 506 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: I only have night quill, and I've been trying to 507 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: counteract that with copious amounts of coffee. So you know, 508 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: if I sound particularly out of it this episode of 509 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: fish News, rest assured, I am not. I I am 510 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:32,199 Speaker 1: just ill. You said you're sipping on some kind of 511 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: wacky wild game stock you've put together. I am. Me 512 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: and my buddies have been getting out after after some 513 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 1: upland birds as of late, and I am drinking a 514 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: master stock made of Hungarian partridge, sage grouse, some some 515 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: duck feet left over from the duck opener this past Saturday, Montana, 516 00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: and a smoke tamhawk and just you know, various root 517 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 1: vegetables as stock is inclined to be made of. I 518 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: almost bought Canada at Whole Foods over the weekend, but 519 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: it's really expensive. Dude. I couldn't I get high on 520 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: wild game kids, although I couldn't help. But notice suddenly 521 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: you've changed your Instagram profile picture back to fishing, which 522 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: I appreciate. Yeah, you know, I had this one of 523 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: of me when I had just gone out here, and 524 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: I was all, you know, kind of puffy chested, with 525 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: like a big old thirty eight strapped to my hip, 526 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 1: and and and and then I was just kind of like, 527 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: you know what, I just don't feel like that right now. 528 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: And in fact, I you know, we got bears out here, Joe, 529 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: and I've heard, yeah, the grizzy kind. Yeah, And so 530 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 1: I've I've moved to carrying a glock twenty. And man, 531 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 1: I will tell you what I used to like think 532 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: that was the coolest thing to like be out in 533 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: the woods and carrying around like this like strap and now, man, 534 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: it's just it's gone to the point where it's just 535 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 1: heavy and I try to carry that thing nowhere, including 536 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: now my my Instagram profile pictures. So there you go. 537 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: There you go, beautiful, beautiful. Well, well, well hurry you 538 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 1: up here, we'll move on. We'll try and get through 539 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: this before your your coffee and stock wear off and 540 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: you just pass out at the microphone. Uh So remember 541 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: this is a competition, Hayden, and I do not know 542 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,679 Speaker 1: which news stories the other dude is bringing to the table. 543 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 1: And um, at the end we shall be filled with 544 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 1: judgment bullets. Pardon the pun, which is actually a reminder 545 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: to you to pardon your puns because clearly Phil didn't 546 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: appreciate them last week. Um, and our sharp dressed audio 547 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: engineer Phil Taylor will declare a news winner. It is 548 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: your leadoff this week, sir? What you got all right? Man? Well? 549 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: Last week you did a story on a on a 550 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: potential state record being used for bait. Yeah, sure, did 551 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: false alby, yes sir? Yeah, Well this week I have 552 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 1: a story about a potential world record being eaten. Did 553 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 1: you see this, I did, and I didn't grab it 554 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: because it's your leadoff, and I was like, he's gonna 555 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 1: go for it. So I was my my, my street smarts. 556 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 1: I went for it, and h this story is kind 557 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 1: of weird for a few reasons, and in the end, 558 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: I don't actually like know how I feel about it. 559 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna kind of do my best to 560 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: sum it up real quick, and then I want to 561 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: break it down a little bit. Is that cool with you? 562 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: That's cool with me? Man break it down alright. So 563 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: a few weeks ago in Connecticut, this dude, ben Tom 564 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 1: Cooness catches what was believed to be a twenty one 565 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: point three pound catfish, and a lot of people right 566 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 1: now are thinking like, oh, like, you know, so what 567 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: twenty small cat if you're talking blues or channels, you know, 568 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: maybe not channel channels blues and flatheads. I meant, yeah, 569 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: But but this was no ordinary catfish. Uh. It was 570 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: a white catfish, and anyone who knows anything about white 571 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: cats knows that they pretty much never ever, ever, ever 572 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: grow that big. Uh So anyway, the dude takes a 573 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 1: bunch of photos. He gives the fish to his grandfather, 574 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: who eats it, and he later sends all these photos 575 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: to Connecticut's Fish and Wildlife Division, who confirmed as a 576 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: state record, even going so far to announce it on 577 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: their Facebook page. Ye yep, they went for it full send. 578 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: So a couple of weeks past, and now they're saying 579 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: that without examining the fish itself, because Grandpa ate it right, 580 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,959 Speaker 1: they cannot say that Tom cooness Is catch was definitely 581 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: a white catfish. So now Joe, they're res sending the 582 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: record citing that the image, citing the images as ambiguous 583 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: and inconclusive. Yep, yep. So to that end, DEEP, that's 584 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 1: Connecticut's Department of Energy and Environmental Protection, which kind of 585 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: seems like it might be at hides with itself. Yeah, 586 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: put out a statement on Facebook saying, due to questions 587 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: raise both internally and by outside sources, DEEP is recalling 588 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,959 Speaker 1: its initial declaration of a new state record white catfish 589 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: caught in Coventry Lake, and that's the one obviously caught 590 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: by Tom coonas yep. Anyhow, Tom coon is, for his part, 591 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: is really upset about this, like maybe not quite like 592 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: Otter people obsessed about this or upset about it rather, 593 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: but frankly he feels like the whole thing is total 594 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: bullshit and is reportedly so angry. He's quoted as saying 595 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: his teeth hurt from grinding. What do you what do 596 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: you think about that? Joe? Uh, Well, knowing a little 597 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: bit about this story, I um, I think it's a 598 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: bit much because I know you're gonna get into sort 599 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: of both sides of the story here, So I we'll 600 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: let you go on and pass judgment later. Um, but 601 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: I'll just pray like there's there's things he would have 602 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: done better too to stop his teeth. Yeah. Yeah, well, 603 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: I mean, well, well we'll get into that, but like 604 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: I can see both sides of this, and we'll start 605 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: from Tom Cooness's kind of follies. On one hand, all 606 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: the pictures of this dude's catch that I've seen have 607 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: been like shitty, you know, And granted they are night 608 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: fishing pictures, Joe, which is it's always tough. Yeah, yeah, 609 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: those things tend to be shitty, But I mean not 610 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: a single one is in like sharp focus, right, They're 611 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: all kind of like strange, weird sort of angles, and 612 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 1: there aren't any pictures and this is like kind of 613 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: like the one that speaks to you know Deep's point, 614 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: there aren't any pictures of that show really definitive features, 615 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: particularly the rays of the anal fin in great detail, 616 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: because the untrained night, it's very hard to tell channel 617 00:31:58,280 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: from white. Like you really got to know what you 618 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 1: look at for, right yeah. And we're going to get 619 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: to that in just a little bit too. But let 620 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: me bring up the second point right quick, and it's 621 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: that this dude obviously knew that he had a very 622 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: likely record. You know, he had a scale with him, 623 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: He took a bunch uh yeah, I mean it kind 624 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: of seemed to me he knew there was some big 625 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: gass white catfish where he was fishing exactly. Yeah. White 626 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 1: catfish is an obscure is a relatively obscure fish, right yeah, 627 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: And he clearly knew that there were some big ones 628 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: in here. He had a a scale with him. I 629 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: don't know about you, man, but when I'm just like 630 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: going and catfishing off the dock, and I do a 631 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: lot of that, very rarely do I bring like a 632 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: scale with me, And if I do catch one, very 633 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 1: rarely do I make like such extensive effort to like 634 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: document like the fish. If I catch like a big, 635 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: big old cat fish, you have a point, Like the 636 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: only thing I carry a scale for his snakeheads, because like, 637 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: if it's a ten pounder, I want to know. I 638 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: don't want to guess and be like I think that 639 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: one was ten, Like that's a big deal, so I 640 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: want to know. Otherwise I don't never have a scale 641 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: with me. I don't care. Right, So, like I said, 642 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: you know, I think that he knew that he had 643 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: like record potential here and here. But here's the weird thing. 644 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: He took all these pictures, but then he like didn't 645 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: release it right, right, So I mean at that point, 646 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: why not just bring the fishing right, but but to 647 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: give it to his grandfather so to like eat it. 648 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: You're killing the fish anyhow, And if you think you 649 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 1: have a state record, you might as well bring the 650 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: thing in. Well, that's what I'm saying. He's so he's 651 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: so upset about this that his teeth are grinding. But like, 652 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 1: if you cared that much about nailing a state record, 653 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: then do it the right way and document it properly. 654 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: Take the fish in somewhere a fishing will be weighed 655 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: and looked at. So that's what I mean. I don't 656 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: understand how Maddie can be because he didn't do a 657 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: particularly good job of proving it. Bro just like look 658 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: at the pictures that you took, yeah and be like no, 659 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: that one's like blurry, that's not gonna fly. You're like, 660 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: you're dealing with potentially a world record could go beyond 661 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 1: it could go beyond state, right, it was big enough 662 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: that it could have been world Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, 663 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: you know that you have this potential record, like, take 664 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 1: the time to document it appropriately, particularly if you're not 665 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 1: concerned about getting it back into the water you are 666 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 1: alive and well yep, yep. So anyway, so those are 667 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: the strikes that I have against ton coon Iss in 668 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,800 Speaker 1: all of this. Basically it comes down to his inability 669 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: to take a grip and grin and maybe like a 670 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,719 Speaker 1: slip in decision making. It does seem a little weird, 671 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: but looking at all this, I don't think it was 672 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: because he was like trying to get one over on 673 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 1: somebody to like claim a false record. Well, probably not, 674 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 1: but you know, it's also easy to be swayed, like 675 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: you've seen this with records before, where somebody catches something 676 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: and some other guy on the piers like, hey, you know, 677 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,399 Speaker 1: what that is, don't you, And you just like kind 678 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 1: of take their word for it. So I don't know. 679 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 1: Maybe he tooks pictures and later on somebody was like, 680 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 1: that's what. Who knows, We'll never know. That's all speculation. 681 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,879 Speaker 1: It doesn't really matter. I mean, well that that's kind 682 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 1: of the problem with this whole story is like the 683 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,840 Speaker 1: entirety of it is speculation on multiple levels. So anyway, 684 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:12,919 Speaker 1: let's move on to deep here. They should never never 685 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: have announced this publicly. No big mistake. Yeah, I don't 686 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: understand how it got through it all, particularly something is 687 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: potentially controversial as this, And here's where we're gonna go 688 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,760 Speaker 1: back to those, uh the anal rays for those please 689 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,319 Speaker 1: take us back to the anal rays, back to the 690 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 1: anal races. Why do I feel like that's going to 691 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 1: be in the podcast description? It might be for those 692 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:40,879 Speaker 1: who don't know, Uh. Species of catfish, particularly those under 693 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: twenty is pounds, can be really hard to tell apart. 694 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 1: You know, you look for things like head shape, the 695 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: color of like chin barbles. But one of the most 696 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 1: telling features and the one that most biologists look to 697 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 1: in a positive identification, are the numbers of rays on 698 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 1: the annual been of a catfish. Now, like the ray 699 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,360 Speaker 1: is that line that comes down that kind of supports 700 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: like that thin membrane right? Um, Anyhow, blue cats typically 701 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: have thirty to thirty five channel casts typically of twenty 702 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: four to twenty nine, Whites have twenty two to twenty five, 703 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: and flatheads have fourteen to seventeen. Now you can already 704 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 1: see right like whites and channels have a In fact, 705 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,839 Speaker 1: they have a little bit. Yeah, they overlap exactly, so 706 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 1: I mean, so that should speak to you know how 707 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: kind of closely these catfish tend to be an appearance, um, 708 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 1: with the number one distinguishing feature being size. Right, but 709 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:44,720 Speaker 1: you have a twenty pound white catfish, now you're really 710 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 1: in some like gray area, you know what I mean. 711 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 1: All that has to say without being able to count 712 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 1: those anal rays, it can be really hard to tell 713 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,919 Speaker 1: the difference between a channel cat and a white cat. 714 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 1: And without being able to do that, they should have 715 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:07,839 Speaker 1: never announced this record. However, I will say to Tom 716 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 1: Cunas's credit as a dude who has a reputation among 717 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,839 Speaker 1: his pals as a bait chucking catfish enthusiast and someone 718 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,280 Speaker 1: who has seen a ton of twenty pound channel cats. 719 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,279 Speaker 1: I think, based on Tom cunas is pictures shitty as 720 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 1: they are, I have to agree with him, and I 721 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,839 Speaker 1: genuinely think that he caught a world record white cat 722 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: and I think that thus lead Deep's decision to rescind 723 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: that record is in fact bullshit. It looks like a 724 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 1: white catfish to me, you know, particularly like with the 725 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: shape of that head. I mean there's one picture that 726 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 1: you see where like the it's kind of like a 727 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 1: profile view of the catfish on some grass, and man, 728 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 1: that does not look like a channel catfish to me. Well, 729 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,879 Speaker 1: you know what, I'll tell you what, Man, I I'm 730 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 1: not so sure I agree that it's bullshit because it 731 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 1: just seemed like a rushed decision to begin with, you 732 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So again without knowing the backstory, 733 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,719 Speaker 1: like who knows who made that call? And who knows who? 734 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,439 Speaker 1: You're thinking, like, what's does anybody care about this? What's 735 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,359 Speaker 1: the difference? Throw it up there? Like, but then you 736 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,279 Speaker 1: know it takes somebody later record, Yeah, you know what 737 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 1: I mean. So it's it's almost double the previous white 738 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,800 Speaker 1: catfish record. Yeah, and I'm pretty sure that record stood 739 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,880 Speaker 1: for like what like fifty years or something like that. 740 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 1: It's it's an it's an old record. Um. But it's 741 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 1: also just funny how these things always play out because 742 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 1: it's not like UM's it's not like Ben is gonna 743 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,400 Speaker 1: be rolling in in catfish Tackle endorsements over this. What 744 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 1: I mean, like, there's some big money records out there, 745 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 1: like you catch the world record striper, you're famous, you 746 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: catch the world record yellow fin whatever, you're famous. You know. 747 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,360 Speaker 1: But and it all just comes back to if it 748 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:54,839 Speaker 1: mattered that much to you, if it would have meant 749 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,719 Speaker 1: that much for you to hold that record, you could 750 00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 1: have done You should have You should have. Yeah, you know, 751 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,400 Speaker 1: then you wouldn't be on Ben, haven't you talk about him? 752 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:09,520 Speaker 1: So any anyhow, you know, it's a messy story, and 753 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 1: I think both Tom Coonas and Deep could have done well. 754 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,719 Speaker 1: That they could have both been smarter in dealing with 755 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,719 Speaker 1: this potential record. No matter how you look at it, Yes, 756 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 1: one thing is for sure. I bet Tom Coonas is 757 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,760 Speaker 1: pretty annoyed with his buddy for taking such a shitty 758 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,160 Speaker 1: grip and grin beyond the lack of a sweet Instagram post. 759 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,239 Speaker 1: You set me up beautifully because your story ties to 760 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:39,520 Speaker 1: shitty photos uh, mine ties to uh kind of an 761 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,320 Speaker 1: amazing photo crystal clear, like just clear is an unmudded 762 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 1: lake to quote clackwork orange. Um. And And so I 763 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 1: was torn this week, Right, I was gonna go with 764 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,760 Speaker 1: the headline disgraced ex Governor Andrew Cuomo scene fishing with dog, 765 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,799 Speaker 1: But then I was like what I was supposed to 766 00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 1: do with that? Right? So this is this sort of 767 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 1: a goofy little story I came across in the Daily Star, 768 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,719 Speaker 1: and I couldn't leave it alone, right, the headline of 769 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 1: this one fish captured smoking cigarette on camera save before 770 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,920 Speaker 1: gobbling the entire thing. And what this is? Yeah? Right, 771 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,840 Speaker 1: this is one of those classic j C newspieces that 772 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,840 Speaker 1: really it's not the story so much as the dumb 773 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,480 Speaker 1: commentary it will lead to. Uh still a little interesting though, right. 774 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 1: So the fishing question is a blunt nosed lizard fish 775 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 1: and the photo was taken off the coast of Palm Beach, Florida, 776 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:32,600 Speaker 1: by underwater photographer Steve Kovak's earlier this year. Um, it's 777 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,920 Speaker 1: very clear, very vivid, and the little fish even has 778 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 1: the correct end, the filtered end of the heater in 779 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,600 Speaker 1: its tiny little mouth. Um. Now even Kovaks admits he 780 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 1: took the shot because it was funny, right, but he 781 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 1: also felt bad because he figured that the little fellow 782 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,879 Speaker 1: was just seconds away from engulfing the entire cancer stick, 783 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,040 Speaker 1: assuming it was some kind of prey, So as soon 784 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,960 Speaker 1: as he got the shot, he immediately grabbed the butt 785 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 1: um to save the fish. So, just in case you've 786 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,839 Speaker 1: never heard of a lizard fish, there's actually a whole 787 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 1: bunch of different species throughout the Atlantic, and these skinny 788 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,359 Speaker 1: little suckers that lie half buried in the sand with 789 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,560 Speaker 1: their eyes, you know, just sticking out and they wait 790 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,279 Speaker 1: for small crustaceans to drift overhead and stuff like that. 791 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,160 Speaker 1: So clearly this lizard fish um thought that camel was 792 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 1: a shrimp. So what's crazy, though, is that the photo 793 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:25,600 Speaker 1: was so good it got entered into the Ocean Photography Awards, 794 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 1: which curates. Yeah, they curate and judge the most stunning 795 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:35,279 Speaker 1: oceanic photographs from all over the world on a yearly basis. Right, 796 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,320 Speaker 1: and while Kovacs didn't win anything, he got a highly 797 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,040 Speaker 1: commended quote highly commended. I guess it's like an honorable 798 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 1: mention nod for his smoking lizard fish. Uh. And of 799 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,600 Speaker 1: course they didn't. They didn't recognize Kovacs for the beauty 800 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 1: and the shot, but rather as part of a conservation 801 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:57,200 Speaker 1: category that highlights how human waste affects marine environments, right, 802 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,480 Speaker 1: making those fish starts smoking. See exactly, Yeah, I now so, 803 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,479 Speaker 1: And I gotta say, I'm surprised he didn't win, because 804 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,240 Speaker 1: if you're trying to paint a picture of what dirt 805 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,480 Speaker 1: bags humans can be, like to me, like this is 806 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,200 Speaker 1: it because it's very easy to show big things, right, 807 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:16,400 Speaker 1: like discarded commercial fishing nets or giant balls of mono 808 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,960 Speaker 1: or oil spills, like these huge impactful things like the 809 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,440 Speaker 1: one in California this weekend. Exactly, Yeah, there was one 810 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,640 Speaker 1: in California that was newsworthy to um. But people flick 811 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,120 Speaker 1: a button the water so nonchalantly and bam, like there 812 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,560 Speaker 1: it is, like there's the photo. You know what I mean? 813 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,799 Speaker 1: That has to be like this single most frustrating thing 814 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,279 Speaker 1: that I see people do, Like regularly, do you do 815 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,839 Speaker 1: people smoke in Montana anymore? I feel like people don't 816 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:50,680 Speaker 1: smoke anymore? Well, you know, Number one, there is like 817 00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:56,120 Speaker 1: one dude in my apartment building that smokes and I 818 00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,759 Speaker 1: always see him and its just like coming from like 819 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,080 Speaker 1: you know, the East code. That would be something that 820 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,759 Speaker 1: I would have never thought about. But now I like 821 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 1: identify that dude as like the guy who smoked siggs 822 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:08,960 Speaker 1: in the apartment, you know what I mean. And so 823 00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,560 Speaker 1: that's what I'm not coming down on smokers at all, 824 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,279 Speaker 1: but I firmly believe that people are more sympathetic to 825 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,640 Speaker 1: heroin addicts in the year that people who smoked like 826 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,120 Speaker 1: smokers are like hardcore outcast. But we're getting off topic. 827 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,160 Speaker 1: That's not the point. The point is like the impacts 828 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 1: of a single cast off smoke but are right there 829 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,000 Speaker 1: in front of you, right, But the category was actually 830 00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:34,759 Speaker 1: one by a shot I didn't think was nearly as good, um, 831 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,799 Speaker 1: and it was. It was. It was a more a 832 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:41,520 Speaker 1: eel wrapped in old heavy gauge mono dead on the bottom, 833 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,320 Speaker 1: which like that's impactful. But I actually thought the cigarette 834 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,560 Speaker 1: button lizard fish mouth like drove the point home further, 835 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,560 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, to what we were 836 00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,040 Speaker 1: talking about earlier. Man Like in Montana, I don't really 837 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:59,800 Speaker 1: see like people like flicking siggs into like beautiful trout streams. 838 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,520 Speaker 1: But when I was back on the East Coast, I 839 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,000 Speaker 1: almost got in a fight with somebody on the Salmon 840 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,719 Speaker 1: River one time, which is easy to do. Oh man, 841 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,200 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. If you're looking to fish and fight, 842 00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:16,640 Speaker 1: you go up to the Salmon River man the Yeah, 843 00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,360 Speaker 1: this dude was on the other end of the or 844 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,640 Speaker 1: the other side of the bank, and I saw him 845 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,680 Speaker 1: smoking a signal okay, man, smoke your sig, and he 846 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,200 Speaker 1: flicks it into the water. I go, hey man, you know, 847 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,200 Speaker 1: and it's probably because I was on the other side 848 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:31,680 Speaker 1: of the bank, but I go, hey man, you know, 849 00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,520 Speaker 1: you dropped something. And the dude like kind of looks 850 00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,400 Speaker 1: over at me and then looks down pretends not to 851 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:44,120 Speaker 1: hear me. Hey man, you dropped something. And he goes what. 852 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,680 Speaker 1: I go, you dropped your cigarette? And he goes, oh, yeah, 853 00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,000 Speaker 1: I know. I go, Well, don't you think you all 854 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:55,399 Speaker 1: to pick it up? Yeah? So that kind of that 855 00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,520 Speaker 1: kind of a scene straight out of Roadhouse right there. Hayden, 856 00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,600 Speaker 1: good for you. No, No, it wasn't It wasn't that cool. Honestly, 857 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,320 Speaker 1: I was kind of emboldened by the fact that I 858 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,560 Speaker 1: knew that there was really no place to cross from 859 00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,320 Speaker 1: about a quarter mile up in a quarter mile the 860 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,600 Speaker 1: hut at a point. Well, so okays, well so, and 861 00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,960 Speaker 1: I'm not see now I'm gonna get off on that tangent, 862 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,400 Speaker 1: right because the front half of this story, the actual facts. 863 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,120 Speaker 1: That's like the angel on Joe's shoulder telling that part. 864 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,560 Speaker 1: But then here comes the demon because there is a 865 00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,040 Speaker 1: part of me that has to laugh at this slightly 866 00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:29,080 Speaker 1: because on numerous occasions I've seen trout rise to a 867 00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,279 Speaker 1: flicked cigarette butt. And one time, and I will never 868 00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,360 Speaker 1: forget this, I was probably eighteen and and fishing with 869 00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,600 Speaker 1: a buddy in northeast Pennsylvania, matter of fact, and we 870 00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,880 Speaker 1: had a decent hatch going, but I was like a 871 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,600 Speaker 1: knee a fight on fly at the time, and I 872 00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,560 Speaker 1: was trying like hell to feed these fish and they 873 00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't rise to my ship, like let alone rise and 874 00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,320 Speaker 1: snubb it. There was just no response. And my buddy 875 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,600 Speaker 1: flicked a smoke, which, for the record, I do not 876 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,360 Speaker 1: now nor have I ever condoned that. Like I didn't 877 00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,799 Speaker 1: like it at the time, but damn if one of 878 00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,160 Speaker 1: those fish didn't come up and take a shot. And 879 00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,120 Speaker 1: these were holders, not fresh stock, he's like not like 880 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,560 Speaker 1: truck dummies, okay, um, So I tried to float him 881 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,600 Speaker 1: like a white wooly bugger, you know what I mean. Like, 882 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, you want cigarette butts, let me 883 00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,200 Speaker 1: see what I can do here. But it didn't work though, right, 884 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,520 Speaker 1: and then furthermore, and this is even worse. But it's funny. 885 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,640 Speaker 1: When I was a teenager, I worked in the detail 886 00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:20,680 Speaker 1: bay of a car dealership and there was this old 887 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,560 Speaker 1: dude and all he did was party boat fish for fluke, 888 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,279 Speaker 1: and he was a ringer to man, like he caught 889 00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,480 Speaker 1: the ship out of big fluke. And I asked him 890 00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,880 Speaker 1: one time. I was like, done, What's Like, what's the secret? Man? Like? 891 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,520 Speaker 1: How you catching all these dormats? And he says, here's 892 00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,360 Speaker 1: what you do. You buy a cheap pack of smokes 893 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,160 Speaker 1: with white filters, and you put your squid and your 894 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:39,960 Speaker 1: sparing on your hook, and then you break off a 895 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,000 Speaker 1: filter and you stick it over the point. And now 896 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:44,960 Speaker 1: you shoot a little shed of crab oil on in 897 00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:46,840 Speaker 1: that filter, and the filter keeps you a bait on 898 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,200 Speaker 1: the hook. But as it gets wet, it gets all 899 00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,759 Speaker 1: soft and wavy, and the whole time it's releasing that 900 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:57,800 Speaker 1: crab oil. And I was like, damn, now, I definitely 901 00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,480 Speaker 1: I don't condone that either. At all, but I also 902 00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,040 Speaker 1: oddly appreciate the old timing ingenuity like that would have 903 00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,040 Speaker 1: been like a legit taps tip in field and stream 904 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:12,680 Speaker 1: like circu n you know what I mean? Yeah, well, 905 00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,719 Speaker 1: you know what, man, I actually don't really see the 906 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:18,000 Speaker 1: problem with that. In fact, I would pose it that 907 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,680 Speaker 1: that is better than a lot of the soft plastics 908 00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,600 Speaker 1: that we lose in the water all the damn time. Well, 909 00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,319 Speaker 1: you know what if there was a study done like 910 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:33,560 Speaker 1: now again, these are these are these are unsmoked cigarette filters. 911 00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,520 Speaker 1: He wasn't smoking him doing this, He would buy a 912 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,760 Speaker 1: pack of clean smokes. I don't even think he smoked, 913 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,960 Speaker 1: and would just break off the unsmoked filter. Definitely smoked, 914 00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:47,200 Speaker 1: probably I don't remember. But you know what, I bet 915 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,200 Speaker 1: you if you did a study like a bunch of 916 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:53,600 Speaker 1: soft plastics on the bottom or some unsmoked plane cigarette filters, 917 00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,440 Speaker 1: you're right. I mean I think it was mostly cotton. 918 00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,719 Speaker 1: Maybe it's maybe condone it maybe you do. I don't know, 919 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,839 Speaker 1: but I thought I thought it was great. So those 920 00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,000 Speaker 1: are my cigarette butt stories. Uh, Phil could could grab 921 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,640 Speaker 1: a smoke this week, filtered or unfiltered. Um, you know 922 00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,160 Speaker 1: he could. He could could check out the anal rays 923 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,040 Speaker 1: of your story. Whatever he wants to do, we're gonna 924 00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,359 Speaker 1: kick it over to Phil and see who won this week. 925 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,279 Speaker 1: And then after that me and our guest co host 926 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,719 Speaker 1: Tim Land where we're going to get a drink, do 927 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:29,400 Speaker 1: a little that's my bar, Hayden. It's a shame you 928 00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,799 Speaker 1: couldn't stop that guy from throwing his cigarette into the river, 929 00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,560 Speaker 1: because I can only assume that that same cigarette floated 930 00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,279 Speaker 1: downstream right into the mouth of a lizard. Fishing was 931 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:41,120 Speaker 1: eventually photographed by Steve Kovacs, leading to Joe's victory this 932 00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:45,359 Speaker 1: week in fish News, Hayden, I hope you feel better, 933 00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,000 Speaker 1: but to be honest, I'm kind of worried about you, 934 00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:52,360 Speaker 1: and so is a friend of mine. Hayden. It's me McGruff, 935 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,279 Speaker 1: the crime dog. McGruff. What are you doing here? I'm 936 00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:00,000 Speaker 1: just worried about my good friend, Hayden Sammick, who, between 937 00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,879 Speaker 1: his nicotine, his night quill, his coffee, and the fact 938 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,000 Speaker 1: that he's stoned out of his gourd every week on 939 00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:11,080 Speaker 1: fish News, clearly has a problem. Allegedly McGrath allegedly, allegedly 940 00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,640 Speaker 1: allegedly are right. You're right, but even so, I've written 941 00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:23,440 Speaker 1: a song just for the occasion. Hayden listened closely. Try marijuana, 942 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:30,600 Speaker 1: don't try it at all. It's like me eating your 943 00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:39,440 Speaker 1: head on a wall. And if your gamble with life, 944 00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:46,160 Speaker 1: you can lose it because your life is a gift. 945 00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:57,319 Speaker 1: Don't a music best? God damn bartenders from Tim buck 946 00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:02,719 Speaker 1: to to Portland, Maine an argument for that matter. So 947 00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,120 Speaker 1: when I set this up with Tim, he said, hey, man, 948 00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,279 Speaker 1: you know I've got a bar for you, and it's 949 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,600 Speaker 1: been a minute since we've had a quality That's my 950 00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,600 Speaker 1: bar here on Ben I'm always interested in new places 951 00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:17,200 Speaker 1: to drink. So where are you taking us? Oh man? 952 00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,600 Speaker 1: This was this is a tough one, but I'm going 953 00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,960 Speaker 1: to take you to Nelson's Hall in Bidders Club on 954 00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,759 Speaker 1: Washington Island, Wisconsin. Okay, there's a lot of great fish 955 00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,839 Speaker 1: bars in Wisconsin. Man, Like I think that we've had 956 00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,120 Speaker 1: more Wisconsin bars in this segment than anything else. Well 957 00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:33,680 Speaker 1: it should be. I mean, I think you can just 958 00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:38,040 Speaker 1: do a Wisconsin that's my bar bar episode here. But 959 00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,360 Speaker 1: so so this is an interesting place because there's some 960 00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,000 Speaker 1: history to it. So I'll lead up to that. But 961 00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,480 Speaker 1: if you're heading north up the thumb of Wisconsin and 962 00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:50,640 Speaker 1: you travel through what's nor known as the Door County Peninsula. Right. Um, 963 00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,879 Speaker 1: the Bay a Green Bays on your is to your 964 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,720 Speaker 1: east and Lake Michigan's to your west. It's just basically 965 00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:59,719 Speaker 1: a long country road that runs to the absolute tip 966 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,920 Speaker 1: of the thumb um of the Door County Peninsula. Now, 967 00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,399 Speaker 1: the Dor County Peninsula is super popular and it's it's 968 00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,000 Speaker 1: been known as the Cape Cod of the Midwest. I 969 00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:10,960 Speaker 1: mean they didn't know that, Okay, yeah, yeah, it's it's 970 00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,680 Speaker 1: a really cool area. You know. Both sides of the 971 00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,560 Speaker 1: roads are lined with people, little shops, ice cream places, 972 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:24,640 Speaker 1: and they're mostly Illinois plates. Right. No, I would never 973 00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,960 Speaker 1: call that, that would be wrong. Um. But as you 974 00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:29,799 Speaker 1: travel to the tip, you get to the very chip 975 00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,319 Speaker 1: and there's a ferry line there. That's a car ferry 976 00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,480 Speaker 1: and it's a twenty minute ride and it takes you 977 00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:39,480 Speaker 1: to Washington Island. Now, see, I've never heard of Washington Island. 978 00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:44,200 Speaker 1: I just learned something. As a bass fisherman, you need 979 00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,919 Speaker 1: to know because like I hate to do a whole 980 00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,759 Speaker 1: lot of spoiling of some of this stuff. But like 981 00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,799 Speaker 1: Washington Island's bass season doesn't open up until the first 982 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,680 Speaker 1: part of July because the spawn lasts a lot longer, 983 00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:57,840 Speaker 1: you know, into that, so they have kind of some 984 00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,400 Speaker 1: of their own special regulations. But between the Bay of 985 00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,480 Speaker 1: Green Bay, Lake, Michigan, and Washington Island during tournament season 986 00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,160 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, they caught smallmouth bass that 987 00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:10,319 Speaker 1: were eight pounds two ounces. Dude, I broke seven once 988 00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,080 Speaker 1: in my life. That's impressive, and seven is an impossible 989 00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,880 Speaker 1: number hard, you know, for the right and actually funny 990 00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,359 Speaker 1: thing is that one of the places I've done it 991 00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,560 Speaker 1: was in Sturgeon Bay. That's as far out on the 992 00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,440 Speaker 1: peninsula as I've been. So I've only ever been to 993 00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,439 Speaker 1: the middle. I haven't gone any further nor you're close. 994 00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,239 Speaker 1: You just keep heading north and you take that ferry 995 00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,279 Speaker 1: line across. But so that gets me to the bar. 996 00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,440 Speaker 1: You take this ferry boat all the way across to 997 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,840 Speaker 1: the bar, and you run into a small town. Washington 998 00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,319 Speaker 1: Island is not like the Dori County Peninsula. It has 999 00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,840 Speaker 1: a hundred some miles of paved road on it. But 1000 00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:43,319 Speaker 1: there's like downtown is seven buildings and three of them 1001 00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:47,400 Speaker 1: are bars, because that's what it should be. Um. But 1002 00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,960 Speaker 1: what's cool about Nelson's Pub we'll get into the fishy 1003 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,440 Speaker 1: part of this pub. But the interesting couple of facts 1004 00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:57,839 Speaker 1: is number one, it's the oldest bar serving alcohol continually 1005 00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:02,120 Speaker 1: in Wisconsin. Now, it's an interesting statistic because if you 1006 00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,000 Speaker 1: take a look at it, after the Eighteenth Amendment kicked 1007 00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:10,799 Speaker 1: off in ninety effectively prohibiting the production and sale of alcohol, 1008 00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,960 Speaker 1: they were still operating. Now, I'll tell you how this 1009 00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:20,840 Speaker 1: all went down. So this is why this is. People 1010 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:22,440 Speaker 1: like I'd go in there and order the wings and 1011 00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,719 Speaker 1: out and leave. It's great, this is good, ud come on. 1012 00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:32,759 Speaker 1: So um, they have been the largest server of I 1013 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,799 Speaker 1: don't know if I'm botching this up here, but Angustura bidders. 1014 00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,920 Speaker 1: All of us have seen bidders, you know. Um, it 1015 00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,200 Speaker 1: was actually more made of clothes and some other stuff, 1016 00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,040 Speaker 1: but it's ninety proof. Well, the gentleman that opened in 1017 00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,440 Speaker 1: Nelson's Hall was Tom Nelson. And Tom Nelson had opened 1018 00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:53,359 Speaker 1: that place in like eighteen ninety nine, and once prohibition hit, 1019 00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:55,840 Speaker 1: is out of luck, you know, what what are you 1020 00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:59,600 Speaker 1: doing on this island? So he started serving bidders, just 1021 00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,480 Speaker 1: the just the bidders through prohibition. Now that was still 1022 00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,600 Speaker 1: illegal because bidders are ninety proof. Well, here's the fun 1023 00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,799 Speaker 1: part that brings it to my family scheme. My grandfather 1024 00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,160 Speaker 1: was an attorney in Sturgeon Bay and my grandmother was 1025 00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:16,800 Speaker 1: born on Washington Island and through loopholes as a stomach tonic. 1026 00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,640 Speaker 1: They had written it's not really legislation and go, but 1027 00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,959 Speaker 1: they basically worked through a loophole where they were still 1028 00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:31,720 Speaker 1: allowed to serve stomach tonic all through prohibition slick still today, 1029 00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:35,120 Speaker 1: the Bidders Club is the largest consumer of anger store 1030 00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,560 Speaker 1: bidders in the entire world US. Now see, I did 1031 00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,960 Speaker 1: not know much about bidders before this. Right. In fact, 1032 00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,640 Speaker 1: the last time I had bidders was with you. You 1033 00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:45,960 Speaker 1: made me an old fashioned and garnished it with with 1034 00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,000 Speaker 1: pickled ramps your child forage. They were trying to give 1035 00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:50,920 Speaker 1: you the full Wisconsin thing you have to have a 1036 00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,200 Speaker 1: They were delicious, but shame on you for making your 1037 00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:58,759 Speaker 1: kids supply your booze garnages. But that it's good, it's 1038 00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,640 Speaker 1: good racket. We got going beyond that though. My grandmother 1039 00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:03,759 Speaker 1: says she was a Manhattan drinker, which is like another 1040 00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,280 Speaker 1: old school drink, like an old Fashioned. But I remember 1041 00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,600 Speaker 1: every time she ordered one at a restaurant she ordered 1042 00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:12,120 Speaker 1: extra bidders. So I always associated bidders with like old 1043 00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:15,239 Speaker 1: people drinks. So anyway, now I assume obviously you took 1044 00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,080 Speaker 1: the shot. You're part of the bidders club, You're part 1045 00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:18,520 Speaker 1: of the pleader's club. You do the shot, you're part 1046 00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,719 Speaker 1: of the club. And it's still is still history. But 1047 00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,120 Speaker 1: the fishy part of the bar is like the island 1048 00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,320 Speaker 1: itself still is like buried in you know, fishing history. 1049 00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,240 Speaker 1: You know, there's still families that commercial fish for white 1050 00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,759 Speaker 1: fish and stuff like that. But I mean there are 1051 00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:33,640 Speaker 1: so many people that come up. There's kind of still 1052 00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,839 Speaker 1: one of those hidden secrets where these bass guys are 1053 00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,319 Speaker 1: up there and it's like they're catching six pounders. You know, 1054 00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,920 Speaker 1: there's giant northerns and all the harbors. All my islander 1055 00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:45,880 Speaker 1: friends are going to be furious with me talking about 1056 00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,040 Speaker 1: this ship right now, but but you know what I mean. 1057 00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,920 Speaker 1: So so that's my bar, you know, that's that's that's 1058 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,560 Speaker 1: kind of it, And I yeah, man, and I really 1059 00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,720 Speaker 1: appreciate all the history and tradition there. We had. Another 1060 00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,040 Speaker 1: bar might have also been in Wisconsin where you had 1061 00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,319 Speaker 1: to shoot yeager and our crowd juice when you caught 1062 00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,759 Speaker 1: your first muskie. So I like I like the bidders better. 1063 00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,040 Speaker 1: The side note here, though, also is it is also 1064 00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,080 Speaker 1: known as the second most haunted establishment in the state 1065 00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:15,000 Speaker 1: of even Better. Even Better. One of these days, maybe 1066 00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,280 Speaker 1: you can take me there. I will join the Bidders Club. 1067 00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,239 Speaker 1: We'll see a ghost and it'll be great. How if 1068 00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,040 Speaker 1: you have a bar you listening that you want shouted out, 1069 00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,000 Speaker 1: tell us about it in an email to Bent at 1070 00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:30,879 Speaker 1: the meat Eater dot com. So we are almost out 1071 00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:32,440 Speaker 1: of time, but to the bitter end, and see what 1072 00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,880 Speaker 1: I did there. We aim to pump you full of 1073 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,719 Speaker 1: useful information between all the fart jokes and off color humor. 1074 00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:39,640 Speaker 1: So I'm going to close it out with an end 1075 00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,319 Speaker 1: of the line segment that ties did it again? Back 1076 00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,480 Speaker 1: to our very loose theme of fly tying. Uh Tim, 1077 00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,799 Speaker 1: I'll ask you what just what comes to mind when 1078 00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:51,960 Speaker 1: I say sparkle mindow? Oh my god, Well, sparklement a 1079 00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,279 Speaker 1: great trout streamer around our spring creeks. And also, if 1080 00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,520 Speaker 1: I'm in real big trouble on a small mall guide trip, 1081 00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:58,640 Speaker 1: I can wiggle a sparkle middle around in the rapids 1082 00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:02,360 Speaker 1: and catch eight inches like crazy. There you go, there, 1083 00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,280 Speaker 1: you go. Hell, you might even be able to incorporate 1084 00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,800 Speaker 1: a little bit of nicotine annis or mystery tuna dubbing 1085 00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:14,719 Speaker 1: into your sparkle minnows. Here's the fullback story on them. Well, 1086 00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:22,880 Speaker 1: that's not loud enough. Here's the description of Coffee Sparkle 1087 00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:27,800 Speaker 1: Minnow on the Duragler's website. Coffee Sparkle Minnow might be 1088 00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:31,560 Speaker 1: the sleeper streamer often passed up in the fly bin. 1089 00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:36,439 Speaker 1: This fly absolutely destroys trout on almost anybody of water 1090 00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,960 Speaker 1: in the West. I would agree with that statement, though 1091 00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,960 Speaker 1: it messes fish up well beyond the West. But listen, 1092 00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,440 Speaker 1: before I get into this fly, I have to ask 1093 00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:49,640 Speaker 1: who the hell is coffee? Like I like to provide 1094 00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,960 Speaker 1: background on my end of the line choices. Though despite 1095 00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:56,400 Speaker 1: four billion and one references to Coffee Sparkle Minnow on 1096 00:57:56,440 --> 00:58:00,520 Speaker 1: the inner webs, my search for Coffee's first name or 1097 00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:04,600 Speaker 1: his story failed, And maybe I didn't try hard enough. 1098 00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,440 Speaker 1: But then again, like I'm not spending an entire day 1099 00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,160 Speaker 1: looking for that, like that should be easy. I even 1100 00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:14,600 Speaker 1: suffered through many awkward and scripted tying tutorials on YouTube 1101 00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,280 Speaker 1: that sounded like this, today We're gonna be tying the 1102 00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,680 Speaker 1: sparkle mino, one of the most versatile streamer patterns and 1103 00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,440 Speaker 1: beloved by many. Just how did they get it so sparkly? 1104 00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna show you how today. But not one tire 1105 00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,240 Speaker 1: that I watched provided the first name or backstory of 1106 00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,560 Speaker 1: the elusive coffee. I'm sure someone listening knows and will 1107 00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,320 Speaker 1: educate me, so let's just move on to the fly. 1108 00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,440 Speaker 1: The sparkle minnow is what I'd categorized as a guide 1109 00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:44,320 Speaker 1: fly now. God flies are relatively easy and fast to tie, 1110 00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,240 Speaker 1: so a guide can knock out a fresh dozen the 1111 00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,640 Speaker 1: night before a trip. But guide flies also tend to 1112 00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:54,680 Speaker 1: appeal to the fish first and the angler second. As 1113 00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,760 Speaker 1: dur Anglers pointed out in a bin next to drunken, 1114 00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:01,960 Speaker 1: disorderly circus peanuts and flukean zombies, the sparkle minnow is 1115 00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:05,040 Speaker 1: unlikely to grab the attention of the tourist bro full 1116 00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,640 Speaker 1: of piston vinegar in the shop on the Madison that 1117 00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:09,800 Speaker 1: has been dreaming about a brown trout with a hook 1118 00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,120 Speaker 1: jaw that makes up three quarters of its body since 1119 00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:15,240 Speaker 1: he booked this trip a year ago. Jokes on him, though, 1120 00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,520 Speaker 1: because the sparkle minnow is both a numbers fly and 1121 00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:23,320 Speaker 1: a size fly. The sparkle minnow isn't some giant jointed behemoth. 1122 00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:26,440 Speaker 1: It's essentially a modern wooly bugger. It's tied on a 1123 00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,120 Speaker 1: standard size streamer hook. It has a cone head and 1124 00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,680 Speaker 1: a two tone maraboo tail with a bit of flash. 1125 00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:36,080 Speaker 1: The body, on the other hand, is pure flash. In 1126 00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:38,800 Speaker 1: most cases, tires lean on a brush of angel hair 1127 00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,200 Speaker 1: or ice dubbing, but you can also create the pattern 1128 00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:43,720 Speaker 1: with a dubbing loop. The end result is a minnow 1129 00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:48,120 Speaker 1: pattern with a flared, kind of fat, chubby middle. It's 1130 00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:51,120 Speaker 1: a great sculp and imitator in darker colors, and a 1131 00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:54,200 Speaker 1: general bait pattern and lighter colors. But the way I 1132 00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:59,800 Speaker 1: described the action, it's kind of like wattles and wobbles 1133 00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:03,080 Speaker 1: on the strip. Lots of guys also dead drift them 1134 01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:07,040 Speaker 1: simply letting all that soft flash and mariboo pulse and breathe. 1135 01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:11,960 Speaker 1: Bottom line, it's a really really versatile fly. In truth, 1136 01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,000 Speaker 1: I lean on the sparkle minnow more for small mouths 1137 01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,800 Speaker 1: than trout, because they just seem to love killing that 1138 01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:22,000 Speaker 1: thing all season long, regardless of water conditions. For trout fishing, 1139 01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,560 Speaker 1: at least out east where I am it's more of 1140 01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:27,040 Speaker 1: an ace in the hole. And when the sparkle minnow 1141 01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:32,320 Speaker 1: bite is good, it's it's often really really good. Sometimes 1142 01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,800 Speaker 1: in trout fishing you feel the need to reduce your flash, 1143 01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:39,800 Speaker 1: be more subtle, especially in cleaner water. But there have 1144 01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,640 Speaker 1: been many tough days, and you know those days where 1145 01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:46,120 Speaker 1: you're getting flashed and swiped but not pinned, where a 1146 01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,600 Speaker 1: drop in fly size and a ramping up of the 1147 01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:53,480 Speaker 1: metallica we could say makes the play. Often, though not always, 1148 01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:57,640 Speaker 1: I find that a sparkle minnow either catches like all 1149 01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:01,200 Speaker 1: the fish or none at all. Now in the spring, 1150 01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,160 Speaker 1: if there's l wife herrings spilling over the damn on 1151 01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,240 Speaker 1: the west branch of the Delaware, you can damn well 1152 01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,800 Speaker 1: rest ashored. I'm chucking a sparkleman out. It's become one 1153 01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,640 Speaker 1: of my staples, and I suggest you don't overlook them 1154 01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,080 Speaker 1: in the fly bin because it's one of those flies 1155 01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:18,840 Speaker 1: that you don't really need until you do. And that's 1156 01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,000 Speaker 1: vague and weird, but I also know most of you 1157 01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,040 Speaker 1: guys know exactly what I'm talking about. So thanks for 1158 01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:35,000 Speaker 1: this one coffee, whoever you are. So that's it for 1159 01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:38,040 Speaker 1: this week. If you'd like a materials list. Recreating the 1160 01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:41,360 Speaker 1: magic of this episode will require for extremely strong bolts 1161 01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:43,600 Speaker 1: and a fresh can of skull, a few shots of 1162 01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:45,880 Speaker 1: bidders from the Land of Illinois license plate. It's an 1163 01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:47,640 Speaker 1: a p B for a guy named Coffee and an 1164 01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:51,720 Speaker 1: eyebrow piercing just like Joe exotics. Tim cannot thank you 1165 01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,280 Speaker 1: enough for hanging out with me today, man, Thanks for 1166 01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:58,000 Speaker 1: having me brother. I appreciate as Yeah. Man, super good times. 1167 01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:00,000 Speaker 1: Tim not only provided a great bar for us today, 1168 01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,800 Speaker 1: but also a great employee with plenty of client buffoonery 1169 01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,320 Speaker 1: to share. So thanks again to Nate Sipple. And if 1170 01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:07,760 Speaker 1: you guys have anything to share, like bars, salem and items, 1171 01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:11,080 Speaker 1: awkward photos, uh nibble and sip, voice memos and so on, 1172 01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:14,000 Speaker 1: send them to Bent at the Meat Eater dot com. 1173 01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:16,600 Speaker 1: Joehan pumped up to see what these guys come up 1174 01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,600 Speaker 1: with that dubbing on homemade lures and flies. Man, Yes, 1175 01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:23,040 Speaker 1: just make sure you know post hashtag degenerate Angler and 1176 01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:25,760 Speaker 1: Bent podcast. And I'm jealous. I kind of want some 1177 01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:27,840 Speaker 1: of that dubbing. Man, I'm gonna I'm gonna pull some streets. 1178 01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:29,880 Speaker 1: You might be able to do another another run just 1179 01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:32,920 Speaker 1: for you, but I don't know. I make no guarantees. 1180 01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:34,440 Speaker 1: You may have won our hearts today to him, but 1181 01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:36,880 Speaker 1: you may not be eligible to win the dubbing. But 1182 01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:39,200 Speaker 1: for those of you that are eligible to win, remember 1183 01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:42,080 Speaker 1: to let the superglue on your fingers dry before grabbing 1184 01:02:42,080 --> 01:03:05,479 Speaker 1: another pinchon Chew way Back, Love and love