1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: you a Charlotte. We are here to recap episode one ten. 3 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: That's season one, episode ten called the Baby Show. I 4 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: remember it. It's a good one, and you're the perfect 5 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: perfect guest. I have the incredible Jenna bush Hager, she 6 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 1: as you all probably know, hosts a whole hour of 7 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: The Today Show now called The Today Show Today with 8 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: Jenna and Friends, which I was just on. I know, 9 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: I loved having you amazing and it's always great to 10 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: see you, and I get to see you twice today, 11 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 1: which is super exciting. And I do think you are 12 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: the perfect person to talk about this episode, the Baby Shower, 13 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: because this is a really interesting and kind of different episode. 14 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: I mean, the first season. I don't know when you 15 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:49,959 Speaker 1: last have seen the beginning. 16 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 2: This is what's so crazy about Sex and the City 17 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 2: is that they were like, Okay, they're going to talk 18 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 2: about this episode and I was like, oh, is that 19 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 2: the one. 20 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: Where shoes get stolen? 21 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 2: Like I've watched it a million times over the years, 22 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 2: but it's crazy how much we can remember. I'm like, 23 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 2: I think it was in the suburbs, and they were like, 24 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 2: I don't know, and then they were like, yes, right. 25 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: It's in the suburbs. I know. That is part of 26 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: the reason I wanted to do the podcast is that 27 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: our writers were just so incredible and wrote so brilliantly 28 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:23,479 Speaker 1: about relationship things, about cultural elements of you know, aging, 29 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: and like, one of the things we really look at 30 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: in this episode is the pressure on women. Do you 31 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: want to become a mother? Do you not want to 32 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: become a mother? That's a pretty big, you know, issue 33 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: and question for women in their twenties and thirties. And 34 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: obviously our characters are mostly in their thirties, and Samantha's 35 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: a little bit older and obviously has a very strong 36 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: point of view. And it's very interesting to look at. 37 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: And you would think that in the twenty seven or 38 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: twenty eight years since this episode aired, things would have changed, 39 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: but I don't really think they have now. 40 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 2: I do have one really good friend who is comfortable 41 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 2: saying she doesn't want Does. 42 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: She live here in Manhattan? No? 43 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 2: She lives in Texas. Wow, good for her, she lives 44 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 2: in Texas. I'm pressed, and I think it was a lot. 45 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 2: It was a lot to get there because there were pressures, 46 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 2: you know, so much pressure from society, but also from 47 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 2: where she lives and from from a lot of different places. 48 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 2: And I was like, I don't I feel like you 49 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 2: just don't want to have kids and that's okay, and 50 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 2: she's like, yeah, but I but one, you know, And 51 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 2: I think the conversation is slightly changing. 52 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: But you're right, we haven't come far enough. No, we 53 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: really haven't. And the thing is as someone I'm a 54 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: single mother, and there's a lot of pressure to be 55 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: in a couple, right, but I think there's even more 56 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: pressure to be a mother, Like people look at you 57 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: sideways if you get to a certain age and you're 58 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: not a mother. It's really interesting what I like about 59 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: this episode, like so many things about it. And I 60 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: don't know if I told you earlier, Like I had 61 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: not seen any of these shows since I know, yeah, 62 00:02:55,880 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: since so you've just started rewatching for the podcast. Yeah, 63 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: and a lot of it. I don't remember some of it. 64 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: I do, like I have a pretty clear memory of 65 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: this because we had to get in fans and drive 66 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 1: out to I think Connecticut. I think we're in Connecticut. 67 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: I would have to check with someone, but it was 68 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: it was a ways and see the Connecticut or long 69 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: island somewhere, yes, and we were out there at that house. 70 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: I mean it felt like for weeks. We didn't have 71 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: that big of a budget to film for weeks, but 72 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: we were out there for quite some time. Yeah, with 73 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: all those ladies and children. You know, oh my gosh, 74 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: very different, very very different. So it was quite a departure. 75 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: And when I look back on it from a writing 76 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: perspective and a you know, just executive producing of the 77 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: show perspective, they were so bold to do it. You know, 78 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: we weren't in the city. Mister Big isn't even in 79 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: the episode. There was really no women for us. Yeah, 80 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: I mean there's some men when we come back. But 81 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: that's also kind of funny, like it's more a reaction 82 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: to having been in this like hop bed of mother 83 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: miss right, Like, you know, people act a little crazy 84 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: when we get back to the city. But I love 85 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: that they already had the kind of like, you know, 86 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: sense of you know, we can do this, and we 87 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: can do that. Because when you think about how the 88 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: show develops, yes, there would be really serious episodes even 89 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: though we're technically a comedy, and there would be you know, 90 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: kind of we go to La we do this we 91 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: do that. I mean, I love that that was kind 92 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: of there was a lot more happening in first season 93 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: than I really really remembered. Yeah, I didn't remember it. 94 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: And also at the time, my sense of it was 95 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: that we were all over the place and that we 96 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: didn't really know what we were doing. Yes, but I 97 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: think that's really came to be our strength, that we 98 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: were kind of open to different things and bolder, and 99 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: HBO was allowing us, you know, to try different stuff out, 100 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 1: which is super cool. Yes, I mean I look back 101 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 1: on it now and it's so much better than I 102 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: thought it was. I mean, don't you love that? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, 103 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: thank God, wouldn't be terrible if I look back and 104 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 1: it wasn't. 105 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 2: So that it does feel relevant even now, like they 106 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 2: you know, I was going to say the younger, but 107 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 2: the next generation that has watched it can see themselves 108 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 2: in these women too. 109 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: Absolutely. Two girls at the airport yesterday said to me, oh, 110 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: you know, I watched this show when I was in 111 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: my twenties, and now I'm in my thirties, I understand 112 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 1: it's so much better than I relate to it so 113 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: much more and it's so much more interesting, and I 114 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 1: was like, that's cool, that's good. I mean you could 115 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: watch it at different times and have different ideas about 116 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 1: what the character's going through. And also just in terms 117 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: of identifying yourself as a character, you can start out 118 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: thinking like I'm a Miranda like Olivia was saying to 119 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: us today, and then later on you're like, oh no, 120 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 1: maybe exactly. Yeah, I mean it's fun. That part of 121 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: it I think is fun. And also I love to 122 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: see what has changed and what has it Yes, you 123 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: know one thing that has changed, and I'm sure you're 124 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: gonna have some thoughts on this is New York. Yeah, 125 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: like when I look at the old show, I love 126 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: that New York. I know, so different. 127 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 2: I lived in New York, like for I was in 128 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 2: school in Texas, but I lived in New York for 129 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 2: the summer. 130 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 1: That's fun. I know. 131 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 2: I was taking classes like shake spear, crossy and it 132 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 2: was so. 133 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: Fun, was so magical. It was magical. 134 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 2: I also worked at a PR firm, which was like 135 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 2: the best thing because I was like, oh, I hate PR. 136 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: PR is a thankless chime, Like this is actually not 137 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: something I try to do. 138 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 2: And I thought that I was into it right right right, 139 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 2: because you don't even know what pr I have. 140 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: No idea what they have to do exactly, but it 141 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: but that New York was so fun. 142 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, well year was that? That was like two thousand? No, yeah, 143 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 2: two thousand and one. I mean, is that too late 144 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 2: or is that too late? 145 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: Am? I know that? That was a glorious summer? That 146 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: summer was like. 147 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 2: What year did you wait? Twenty seven years ago? What 148 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:43,239 Speaker 2: year did you guys start shooting? 149 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: We filmed our pilot in ninety seven, okay, which is 150 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: insane to think about. And then we didn't get picked 151 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: up for a while, and so then when we did 152 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: get picked up, we got picked up in two thousand 153 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: and eight. Oh, we weren't picked up until two thousand 154 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: and eight. Yeah, they took over a year to pick 155 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: us up, can you believe? Yeah, thinking there was some 156 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: behind the scenes brea that is kind of boring, I think, 157 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 1: and I don't totally know for a fact, so I 158 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: shouldn't even say it. But HBO at the time was 159 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: known for having boxing and movies, and they had what 160 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: You Do You Do? And they had a show called 161 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: dream On where every week a different girl would would 162 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: be new. Yeah, it's interesting. You probably weren't watching it. 163 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: I remember it as an actress because I was in 164 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: LA auditioning for things that I was always like, oh 165 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: my god, I can't audition for that. But they didn't 166 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: have female driven things on HBO. And also in general, 167 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: there were not shows where there were four leading women 168 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: who were interesting in different characters. The first. I mean, 169 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: I don't think it was the first, because there's the 170 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: Golden Girls, which people like to compare us to. Yes, 171 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: and obviously an incredible show in its own right, in 172 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: its own way, because they were different, obviously multicam you know, 173 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: blah blah blah, and I don't know how those characters 174 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: were meant to be. They were meant to be in 175 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: their fifties. Oh that's so painful. 176 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 2: And that crazy, and that's so crazy. We've like talked 177 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 2: about that before, Holda and I and we were like, 178 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 2: what that has changed? 179 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: Don't you feel like age aging has changed? Thank god? Yeah, 180 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: no offense to anyone. 181 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 2: No, we love those Golden Girls. Of course they're living 182 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 2: in a retirement. Sorry, believe me, I know it's crazy. 183 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 2: I can't even believe it. 184 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: I know, I thought they were eighty. No, I know 185 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: me too. 186 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 2: Well, I know, Okay, I'm going to recover, recover, recover, Wow, 187 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 2: oh my god. 188 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you know, sometimes it's really good to 189 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: remember these things because these are societal, like pop culture 190 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 1: things elements, right, that are just part of the big 191 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: picture of what society is kind of telling us to 192 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: expect from our lives, and it's not true. Yeah, exactly. 193 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: So I think that's so important and it makes me 194 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: so happy I remember. And this is funny to say. 195 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: Now everyone looks at me sideways when I say this, 196 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: But for me, I've been auditioning. I've been on Melrose 197 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: Place and that was my big job. But then after that, 198 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:17,199 Speaker 1: before that, after that. 199 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 2: We've been Olivia and I've been talking all week about 200 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 2: how obsessed. Well we're the same age, and it's so 201 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 2: fun when you have somebody that has the same point. Yeah, 202 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 2: but we were like of that generation who would watch 203 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 2: nine two and oh and then melrose Place right after 204 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 2: ya and my child just streams television, you know, she's like, yeah, 205 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 2: all of Gray's Anatomy, And I'm like, do you understand 206 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 2: that we would wait for Thursday NIGHTHA Like, no. 207 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:44,839 Speaker 1: They don't understand. I think they're understand what I was 208 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: going to say about aging is that when we got 209 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: the show. For me, it was this huge relief that 210 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: the characters were in their thirties because I was like, oh, 211 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: thank god, I don't have to lie anymore because you're 212 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: Melrose Place. Were you playing up? Is that? Or I 213 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: can't remember. Did we even say how old oh Brooke was? 214 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. I have no idea. I mean, I 215 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: feel like I was the same age as those people. Yeah, 216 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: I think we were supposed to be in our twenties, 217 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: and I feel like I was in my twenties. Yes, 218 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 1: I remember when I remember when Melrose aired. We had 219 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 1: a party. It was my birthday party and I was 220 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 1: turning thirty okay, and it was fun. 221 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt like I'm a successful on television. 222 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: I did it. It's going well. So I was very happy. 223 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: But I remember just it was like kind of unheard 224 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: of that four women who were over thirties would be 225 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: starting a television show about women in their thirties in Manhattan. Yeah, 226 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: it was kind of like what And for us we 227 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: were like, Yay, we don't have to lie anymore. This 228 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: is awesome. And now it's kind of That's something that 229 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 1: I do think has changed, because you know, people are 230 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: working and working and working in you know, so many 231 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: women they were like, you know women O were fifty 232 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: taking over the oscar one hundred percent, right. 233 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 2: I mean we had such a theme in our show 234 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 2: sort of unintentionally when Hoda was on, because Hoda just 235 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 2: turned sixteen. Yeah, and all of these women would come 236 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 2: as guests, including you, and the sort of common theme 237 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 2: as it gets greater later and I feel like, thank goodness, 238 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 2: other people are catching on culture and yes. 239 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:20,839 Speaker 1: And I mean that's part of the reason that we're 240 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: doing and just like that is because there is this 241 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: uh sometimes Hollywood is slow in this way of not 242 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: green lighting or not even I mean, honestly, I don't 243 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: even know what was being pitched, right because I'm not 244 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: in every office all the time. But I know for us, 245 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: you know, everyone thought, well, of course they did. And 246 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: just like that, No, there was no of course, like 247 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: we had to go in there and pitch it. Michael 248 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: Patrick had to have ideas or Jessica had to go 249 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,319 Speaker 1: with him. We had to really convince them like this 250 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: is this is important, we need to do it. These 251 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,319 Speaker 1: are the characters, of course, but like they were like, well, 252 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: what's the story, you know, and the story is that 253 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: your life keeps going and it's more interesting, and different 254 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: things happen and you have to deal with different things 255 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: and they're maybe hard or maybe not hard, like all 256 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: the different things. Right, But why shouldn't we be telling 257 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: those stories exactly? You know, exactly, let's talk about the 258 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: baby shower. Let's go back, but I could talk to 259 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: you about way. This is what's fun about the baby shower. 260 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 1: We begin with Kerry getting the invitation. It's very fancy, 261 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: like a wedding invitation, which I think is interesting. And 262 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: then we show everyone's reaction and of course Samantha Miranda 263 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: not very into it. They don't even want to go. Now, 264 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: apparently this woman Laney, who is pregnant and having the 265 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: baby shower in Connecticut, used to be a party girl, 266 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: and all of us know her, and her claim to 267 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: fame was just bizarre. Is that she would strip at parties. 268 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: I know, it's so and also like this is when 269 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: I also kind of laugh at us in terms of, 270 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 1: you know, we're just super casual about it, you know, like, 271 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: oh yes, and this is what she does. She just 272 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: stand up at parties and just take off her c 273 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,719 Speaker 1: and then it does show a flashback, which I'm not in, 274 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 1: and I remember being so jealous that I couldn't be 275 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 1: in this flashback because I think it's early nineties. 276 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 2: Sir. 277 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:26,719 Speaker 1: Jessica's wearing a pink cowboy hat, a pink one. Samantha's 278 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: got some big, like weirdly spiky hair. I mean, it's 279 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: super funny. Charlotte, I guess is just like at some 280 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: preppy girls. I don't know, but I really wish i'd 281 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: been in that scene when they flash back to the 282 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: pre married lady was there, Yes, take it off the 283 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: clothes and I mean Carrie does look horrified, you know, 284 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: but I mean Samantha at a certain point too, which 285 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,599 Speaker 1: I think is interesting. They do say something about Samantha 286 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: being insecure, which I don't really think that you would 287 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: describe Samantha's insecure, But I think what it is is 288 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: that Laney was kind of in. 289 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 2: Her competitive Yeah, She's like, wait, who is this girl 290 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 2: taking her clothes off? 291 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: Right? And and is she's doing more than I'm doing? 292 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: And do I want to do that? Do I not 293 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: want to do it? Which I think is super interesting 294 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: because we don't see Samantha like that very well, right, 295 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: So that's interesting interesting, through line for her. But so 296 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: this lady lady friend. And I do think it's also 297 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: interesting in the beginning of the show there's all these 298 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: kind of peripheral characters, but we seem to somehow know 299 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: them all really well totally, like every everyone totally, like 300 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: even that we haven't gotten into it, but that Charlotte 301 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: would tell this lady person her secret baby name. Okay 302 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: when how at a party, like well, okay, I mean, 303 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: but I mean, on the other hand, I love it 304 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: that they just drop us in totally. They don't explain anything, totally. 305 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: It's super interesting. Totally. 306 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 2: It was before we needed all the information, Is that right, 307 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 2: do you think? Well, yeah, because now it's like you 308 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 2: talk about something, you're like, wait, google that. 309 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: And let's find out who it is. 310 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 2: That's a good point, and we have all about information 311 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 2: about everything. This was in the time, so true, like 312 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 2: probably right when Internet was, you know, before. 313 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: Barely barely social media. We're not like googling. 314 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 2: Every last detail, so our attention span. 315 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: You could drop us in. That's true. And I think 316 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: Michael Patrick has said that he felt that the exposition 317 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: was not that interesting and that when you did move 318 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: to New York, you were just in life to see 319 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: people you weren't finding out where they were from and 320 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: totally all the things, you know what I mean, you 321 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: were just like at the place with that. Yeah, and 322 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: we didn't have that much time to set that all up. 323 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: So true, yeades. The episodes are twenty two minutes, that's 324 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: what I mean, which is insane. Yeah, I know it's 325 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: and we get a lot done, which is true. The 326 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: writing is so good. No, they're so good. I mean, 327 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: that's really the secret to our whole success. But I 328 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: think that's a boring answer for people, so they thy 329 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: loss over it. But it is the true. Okay, so 330 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: we so everyone has their different reaction. Miranda Samantha don't 331 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: even want to go, which is funny. Of course, Charlotte 332 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: wants to go because we I guess we haven't fully 333 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: said other than the there's an early episode where Carrie's 334 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: dating the marrying guy. Then she decides it's not for her. 335 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: She was trying him on and maybe he would be 336 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: good for me. I go out with him until we 337 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: go shopping at Bergdorf and I don't like his china pattern. 338 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: Then he likes, which really makes me laugh. Okay, so 339 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: we are seeing the beginnings of what is going to 340 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: turn into Charlotte really getting didactic about getting married. Yes, 341 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: but they're not totally. We didn't start with her. 342 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 2: By the way, how interesting that you were so different 343 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 2: than her than the character you played like opposite. 344 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: I was opposite in many ways. I mean as far 345 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: as at least the married part, the traditional part. Yeah, 346 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know, I know. It's interesting. 347 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: So we have all these different reactions. Then we get 348 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: ready to go and we've rented a car, and the 349 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: three of them are there wearing the most ninetiest sunglasses 350 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: I've ever seen in my life. And Samantha brings a 351 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: bottle of Scotch, Miranda brings condoms, which is like so insane, 352 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: and Carrie brings nothing. And this is one of my 353 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 1: most favorite moments that I definitely remember from the early 354 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: early season. I come running around the corner with the 355 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: Bellini baby basket and they made it as big as possible, 356 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 1: and this was a real thing. Look, I remember the 357 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: Ballini baby basket, all the Bellini products, and it's like 358 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: this big and a baby's supposed to sleep in, which 359 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: is also weird and funny. And I'm running and the 360 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: things are like jiggling and funny, and then we all 361 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: get in the car and no one sits in the 362 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: driver's seat and they say, I think Carrie says, can 363 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: anyone drive? Or maybe Samantha can anyone drive? Which is 364 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 1: also pretty funny and so New York. And we have 365 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: so many callbacks to that as time goes on in 366 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: terms of we go to LA and there's a whole 367 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 1: stress about who's going to drive, and then Carrie drives. 368 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 1: But then it doesn't go that great. I mean, so 369 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 1: many different funny things. But you know, this is so early, 370 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: so we go out there. I am immediately Charlotte is 371 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: immediately welcomed into the mom club because I've got the 372 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: Bullini baby baskets my ticket into the mom Club. The 373 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: others are like on the side, drinking and complaining basically 374 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: the whole time. But then we find out also that Carrie, oh, 375 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: I think in the voiceover, we found out that Carrie's 376 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: period is late, which is a really interesting tie in, yes, 377 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 1: and I think so relevant to life in your you know, 378 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: twenties and thirties in a way. And also her relationship 379 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: with Big is pretty new, so she doesn't even tell him, 380 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: which I think makes perfect sense, and she doesn't tell him, 381 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: and she says, she's so smart. And I know people 382 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: sometimes think she's not so smart, but I don't get that. 383 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 1: But she's you know, she she starts to she says, 384 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to ask him or I'm going 385 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 1: to tell it, and then she can't finish the sentence. 386 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: And then she says, I realized, I'm not going to 387 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: talk to him about it until I can finish the sentence. Yes. 388 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 2: So smart, Yeah, totally right, like be able to think 389 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 2: about what you want to say before you yes. 390 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: Yes, And she doesn't even you know, go get a 391 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 1: test or anything until later. But I think being at 392 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 1: the baby shower and like at one point, these kids 393 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: running around the yard and they shoot her with a 394 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: bb gun thingy or whatever, you know, a nerve gun. 395 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: So she's, you know, it's a lot of it's a 396 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:08,360 Speaker 1: lot of children, and she's like, oh, I better find 397 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: out later. But I love that storyline, and I love 398 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 1: the way that they tie it in, and I love 399 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 1: the fact that it's so early in the relationship with 400 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,479 Speaker 1: Big that you know, she doesn't even know. And then 401 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: there's a lot of conversations where she mostly with Miranda 402 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: talks about, you know, do I even want kids? Am 403 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 1: I maternal? Like when they go to the drug store, 404 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: she literally says, do you think I could be a 405 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: good mother? And Miranda looks really nervous, like she's not sure, 406 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: which is interesting. And I think sometimes what's hard for 407 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: me to be objective about is I know Sarah Jessica 408 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: who's super maternal. So I was always like, of course, 409 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: but maybe I just wasn't really able, you know, to 410 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: disassociate exactly, exactly exactly, because I get it when I 411 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: look back, you know, she's out and about you know, yes, yes, 412 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 1: I know, like we were saying yes, yes, yes, yes. 413 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: I mean it's super interesting. There's so many interesting things. 414 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many interesting things said. And I'm okay, wait, 415 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: let's talk about the baby name because it's really funny. 416 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: I mean, just recently, I guess on TikTok and or Instagram, 417 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: there's been this whole sound about this man saying have 418 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: you heard this? What is that? Okay, it's on my 419 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: Instagram if anyone like to see it. I don't know 420 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: where it came from, but it is, you know, the 421 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,199 Speaker 1: baby name that is much discussed in this episode. So 422 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 1: I did it and people loved it. You know, when 423 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: you do you act it out for it. Yes, I 424 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: don't understand the man who's doing it, but he's really funny, 425 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,400 Speaker 1: and I don't know if it came from the show. 426 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 1: I'm perplexed. Yeah, but sometimes little pieces of things come 427 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: out in ways that are just amazing. Yeah, totally, totally, 428 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,439 Speaker 1: so when we're sitting there. Oh, also I need to 429 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: mention this at one point. You know how in a 430 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: baby shower there's a tradition. I don't know if you 431 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: did this where you take all the bows from all 432 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: the packages and you make something in your head. Yes, 433 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: did you do this? No, my baby? My water broke 434 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:08,239 Speaker 1: at my baby shower. Oh yeah, yeah, that's like a 435 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: TV show. No, I know, what did you do? I 436 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: went to the hospital. Did everyone panic? 437 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 2: Everybody panicked? And they called my husband, who was with 438 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 2: some of the other guy thing like coming a beer. 439 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: On the corner. 440 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 2: And we were here in New York on the I 441 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 2: mean we lived here on the rooftop somewhere nearby. It 442 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 2: was like April, so it was beautiful and two twelve 443 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 2: years ago and like two weeks my daughter's. 444 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: About to have her birthday. Oh that's nice. 445 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 2: And they called and they said and everybody was laughing 446 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 2: because it was it was shocking. And there was only 447 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 2: one man in the room and it was the caterer, 448 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 2: and he threw paper towels at us and then walked 449 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 2: out of the door. 450 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: He was just like, I cannot do with this, Oh 451 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: my god. 452 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 2: And it was what was even more comedic about it 453 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 2: is we were in a circle, like I was opening 454 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 2: present right and my friend goes, oh, my gosh, she's 455 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,360 Speaker 2: about to have that baby right here. My stomach made 456 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 2: a weird movement, Oh my god, which I guess is 457 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:06,360 Speaker 2: what happened. 458 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 1: I have no idea. 459 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 2: I have no idea, okay, and it only this has 460 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 2: only happened with my first child. And my water broke 461 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 2: in front of every single person sitting, and everybody's reaction 462 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 2: was so different, Like somebody cried because they were pregnant, 463 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 2: and they were. 464 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: Like they and had so much feeling, so much feeling. 465 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,479 Speaker 1: Other people were dying laughing. 466 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 2: So when they called laughing, well, it was like kind 467 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 2: of funny, okay, because also I. 468 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 1: Was like, what is happening? You know? 469 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 2: But they called my husband and Barbara and my sister 470 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 2: and I have a twin sister. We played so many 471 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 2: pranks on him over the years. Oh no, but he 472 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 2: did not believe, Like he thought this was like a 473 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 2: funny thing. 474 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: Girls were doing. 475 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 2: And also he'd been to the doctor like with me 476 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 2: the day before, where they were like, you have six more. 477 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: Weeks, So he just was the thought. 478 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 2: And then there is a producer that works on our show, 479 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,360 Speaker 2: still now works on our show, who I I've known 480 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 2: all these years, twelve years later, who was so lovely 481 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 2: and earnest and kind, and her husband call was with her. 482 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 2: Henry my husband, and she called and she's like, no, 483 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 2: it's real, it's real. 484 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: And he was like listen. 485 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 2: Her husband was like, I know Barbara and Jenna can lie, 486 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 2: but Carrie cannot. 487 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: So you need to go to the hospital. Wow. Yeah, anyway, 488 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: so I may we put the bow on her. You 489 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: didn't get to under the band. Also, I'm not sure 490 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 1: people still do. 491 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 2: I feel like it was more no. I kind of 492 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 2: remember like it wassing. 493 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: But I just don't know if it still happens. Probably 494 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: so for some reason, Charlotte also manages to get a 495 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: bow on her head, which I really think I probably 496 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: had something to do with because it is one of 497 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: my favorite pictures. It's very funny. I mean, I also 498 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: think because Charlotte just really would like to be part 499 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: of this club, you know what I'm saying. So then 500 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: Laney has a huge amount of bows on her head, 501 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: at which point one of her friends says, oh, little 502 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: Shila is gonna love blah blah blah, whatever gift it was. 503 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: And I'm like what and like, you know, kind of 504 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 1: a big reaction for young Charlotte. I stand up like 505 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: that is my secret baby name that I told you. 506 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 1: She's like, well, I'm just really sorry. I don't remember, 507 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: and this is such an unfair thing that I'm about 508 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 1: to say. But like I back then would have a 509 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 1: lot of trouble separating the actor from the part. 510 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 2: Right. 511 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 1: So like later on when Big has Natasha like I've 512 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: said this to Britain, I'm like, I'm really sorry. I 513 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: just really couldn't look at you. Yeah, I just couldn't. 514 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: I just couldn't like you. I know, it's terrible, it's terrible, 515 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: but luckily I can tell her that. But also with 516 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 1: Dana Willard Nicholson, who played this part of Laney, I 517 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: was just like that was very mad. So I jump 518 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 1: up and I say, that's my secret maybe name? And 519 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 1: I did tell you and she's like, I just don't remember. 520 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: And then Samantha comes in so ready to protect me. 521 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: It's so cute and she's like, you bitch, and we 522 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: stop off, which is adorable, and we go to a 523 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: bar which is so perfect and really funny, and I 524 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 1: don't really remember, like we're at some Irish bar, like 525 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 1: wherever we're, yeah, wherever you were, wherever we were Connecticut, 526 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: Long Island. I don't know where we were. And we 527 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: drink and I go to the bathroom when I'm gone, 528 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 1: and this is kind of heartbreaking in a way. Carry 529 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: doesn't want to tell me that she's late with her period, 530 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: so they talk about it while I'm gone. I'd sad. 531 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: And then because she doesn't want to make you feel 532 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: bad though, right because she knows so. And also I 533 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 1: think they don't know what I might say. You know 534 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: that I say something like you have to hide in 535 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 1: my naive kind of a way or whatever, which I 536 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: can totally see, even though as time goes on, I say, 537 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: every woman can make her own choice. I choose my choice, 538 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 1: which is about many things, obviously, but at that point 539 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: I think because the three of them are very much like, well, 540 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: two of them are like, we don't want that. Carrie's like, 541 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,679 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what I want and I'm like, I 542 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,919 Speaker 1: want to have babies and get married, which is interesting 543 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: and I know it's different, but I do feel like 544 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: there are groups of friends where people want different things 545 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: one hundred right. I don't have to always be people 546 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: who want the same thing. Oh you don't want that boring? Yes, 547 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: And they're super interesting and fascinating. And also Charlotte is 548 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 1: into her job at the gallery, so like she on 549 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,120 Speaker 1: one note, yeah right, no, exactly, thank you too. Exactly 550 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: different people are and back in the day too, people 551 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: would be like, why is Charlotte friends with them? And 552 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: I'd be like, what, why not? 553 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 2: Come on exactly? Yeah, I mean but you had other friends. 554 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 2: Don't like how I say you did? Welcome to my world? 555 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean sometimes I just can't even say that, right, 556 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: you know, I did have other like kind of not 557 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 1: really am right. One time later on, we do see 558 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,360 Speaker 1: these girls that she went to Smith with. She goes 559 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 1: to a brunch with them, and she realizes, to her 560 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,439 Speaker 1: horror that she is now the Samantha of that group. 561 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: It's a wild, fascinating scene. Yes, and I drink too 562 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 1: much and then I throw money at them. I don't 563 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 1: know why exactly. We'll have to or yeah, I guess 564 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: I don't really know. They make me mad for some reason. Yeah, 565 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: I don't know. We're gonna find out when we get there. 566 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: You know, it is wild. I mean, Charlotte has had 567 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 1: quite a development, you know, which is a good thing 568 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 1: obviously as an actor, and you know, yeah, she evolves 569 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: just like humans do, absolutely as have the others, right, 570 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: And I do think it's oh, one of my favorite things. 571 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: When they get so they go back to the city, 572 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: they're kind of having like a reaction to being in 573 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: this mommy club baes. They go back to the city 574 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 1: and Samantha has a I don't have a baby party, 575 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 1: which is so hysterical and also reminds me. Do you 576 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: remember when Carrie later on and I think this is 577 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: when her shoes might get stolen. I'm not sure she 578 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: has a no, no, this one. She has to take 579 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: her shoes off anyway. She has a party that for 580 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: her own engagement or whatever, like I'm engaged to me, yes, 581 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: so that she can get gifts. 582 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 2: Oh, yes, exactly, she's like a register or something. Yes, yes, 583 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:17,719 Speaker 2: it's hysterical us. 584 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 1: Like I love that we took on all these kind 585 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 1: of you know, like traditions, yes, and that we are 586 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: not really fair to everybody, to women, yeah yeah, and 587 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: like I'll put you under pressure and you know, expectations 588 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 1: and whatnot, and somehow also holds you up like this 589 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 1: is your choice or whatever. I think. Samantha even says 590 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: at one point like she's trying to say that she's 591 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: worthy by having a baby, like she's you know, yeah, 592 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: which is really interesting and I think does happen, Yes, 593 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: don't you Yes, totally, which is sad. I know, like 594 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: that's not why you have a baby. 595 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 2: No, no, but people do, I think or or just 596 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 2: feel like it's part of the pressures of being a woman. 597 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: And it is part of the pressures of being a woman, 598 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: and that's why you're worth. Oh it's not a worth 599 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: And I mean then, and this is coming up too 600 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: in a big way, because what Carrie's dealing with would 601 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: be who am I? You know, if I if I 602 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: were to be pregnant and have bigs baby, whether we 603 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: were together or not, Like, will I give up who 604 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: I really am? Has Lane given up who she is. 605 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: Because then we get back to the city and Laney 606 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: calls Carrie and she's like, where should get together? And 607 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: Carrie's like, oh, I'm sorry, I've got to go. I'm 608 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: going to Samantha's party. She's like, Samantha's having a party. 609 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: And then she shows up there with her pregnant self 610 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 1: and she wants to strip off her care. 611 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 2: That's hilarious and it's just so uncomfortable, and everyone of 612 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 2: the party just looks more to yeah, you're like Laney 613 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 2: and that also think about that. What that says about 614 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 2: women too, is that as soon as they become pregnant, 615 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 2: there's somebody else right, and. 616 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: They're not sexual and they're not fun and like you're 617 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: just a different person, which is so unfair. But also 618 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: it is a huge life change. Yes it is, for sure, 619 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: for sure. But she tries to get up on this 620 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: like it's like a coffee table. I guess we're like 621 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: a stuffed thing, but it's big, and she's so pregnant, 622 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: and I remember us being really nervous, even though she 623 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: wasn't pregnant. You were really nervous, turn I mean, and 624 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: all of us are horrified as well. But literally every 625 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: person in the party is hard horrified, and luckily she 626 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: can't do it and she gets down, thank God, thank god. 627 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,719 Speaker 1: But it gets carry all in her head about what 628 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: if I was pregnant, A what would I do? 629 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 2: Be? 630 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: Am I maternal? See? Who would I be? Because I've 631 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: just been career career, career, Yes, And then at a 632 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: certain point she goes to I believe They're in Central 633 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: Park and the trees are blooming. It's just so glorious. 634 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: And she's at like one of the little the little 635 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 1: side you know, playground parks, and she's watching all the 636 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: little kids and they're adorable, and of course they picked 637 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: this kid to us hair like Sir Jessica's color comes 638 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: over and like you know, plays around her feet and 639 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: the mom's like sorry, and she's like no, she's adorable. 640 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: And it's the cutest scene and Sir g Justca is 641 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: so so good in it, and it's what I love 642 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: about it. And again, I just don't remember this happening 643 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: in television shows. I think it was more of kind 644 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: of a film thing that you could have moments where 645 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: the lead character is just in silence, and that I 646 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: think she's got some voiceover, but she's also just sitting 647 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: watching and that wasn't something that you used to really 648 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: see television. Yeah, and it made us feel number one, 649 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: like you could really get inside Carrie's mind, and the 650 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: voiceover of course helped, but also like that you could 651 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: really it had some space to think about the ideas 652 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: which I think we're so central to the writing and 653 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: to the whole development of the show, these ideas, and 654 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: it let the viewer think, yeah, what do I think 655 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: would Carrie be a good mother? Would I be a 656 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: good mother? Do I want to be? You know? It 657 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: let you also have the experience, like the space to think. 658 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: And I remember that being something that Sara Jessica also 659 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: kind of pushed and stood up for ongoingly. You know, 660 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: like we need to remember that she's got to have 661 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: time to be processing, because it would always start with 662 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: the question like I wonder blah blah blah, you know, 663 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: made me think about blah blah. Yeah, but then like 664 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 1: she's trying to work through it too. Yes, she's not 665 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: just theoretically thinking about it, she's like where do I the. 666 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 2: Whole episode it's like the thesis of what she's going through. 667 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: Yep. And eventually those thesises became what we were all 668 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: going through. Yes, exactly. That has not come into play yet, exactly. 669 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: And I do feel like she looks at the camera 670 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: once or twice in this episode. What did you think 671 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: about that? People have very mixed feeling. 672 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,479 Speaker 2: About her breaking the third wall basically, I mean, I 673 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 2: can't what in the she I didn't? That did not 674 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 2: bother me. But did it stop? I remember it at 675 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 2: the beginning? 676 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: Did stop? Halfway through? It does stop, but it's weird. 677 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: It comes back all of a sudden, You're like, it's 678 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: happening again. 679 00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 2: I remember when she would do it, I remember, But 680 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 2: then I feel like it became less break round, yes 681 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 2: for sure. 682 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: And then we also had, you know, the people on 683 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,959 Speaker 1: the street who would talk, which also became not kind 684 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: highly entertaining. 685 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 2: And at the first season, I remember that it kind 686 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 2: of gives you slight It was kind of like Lawn 687 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 2: Order vibes for some reason, do you know what I mean? 688 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: Like at the very beginning. 689 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 2: Of Law and Order, where there's the person that's like 690 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 2: and you're like, are they going to be part of 691 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 2: this anymore? And it was just like because that was 692 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 2: always like the person on the street was not even 693 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 2: an integral part of the. 694 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: You mean the person who gets killed. 695 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 2: Yes, I do the very prom not even what the 696 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 2: show is about, do. 697 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? 698 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 2: And then when you have the person on the street 699 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 2: look at the camera and say something, it would never 700 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 2: have been somebody no been. 701 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: Like a Laney. Yeah, I know, it's someone else. It's 702 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 1: actors who were hired. And as I think, Jenny Bikes, 703 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: who was our first female writer who joined, told me 704 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: it was so much work production wise because the casting 705 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,800 Speaker 1: people would have to cast them and makeup all wardrobe, 706 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: and then we would have to set up different shots 707 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 1: like it would be a whole day of that god, 708 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: which we didn't really have time for, you know, So 709 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: from that perspective it was hard. I think that there 710 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 1: I've met a lot of people who enjoy it, which 711 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 1: really surprised me. Get rid of me. It was a 712 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: little campy, yes, I mean sometimes also I think it 713 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 1: was a little campy because they would give those people 714 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 1: the most extreme thing. Well totally. You know, we're like 715 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 1: like the moms at the Bridle Baby Shower du where 716 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,320 Speaker 1: they're like I tell my son every day that he's 717 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 1: the best. I mean that actually might be part of 718 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: a scene. But he's amazing and he he rules the world. 719 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:52,919 Speaker 1: I tell him every day. And then she walks away, 720 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 1: and Miranda's like, I wonder if any woman is ever 721 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,720 Speaker 1: going to be able to please that man when he's growth. 722 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,439 Speaker 1: You're like, I know, I know, I know. And then 723 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,839 Speaker 1: like another woman is like, you know, I just love 724 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,360 Speaker 1: to play. And then I go in the closet and 725 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: I drink. I can't remember what she said. 726 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,879 Speaker 2: It's, you know, the more strong like of course, because 727 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 2: otherwise what they're like the comical. 728 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: Sort of yes, yes. And also I mean, I do 729 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: think it's true that there's going to be a huge 730 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 1: variety of people on this subject matter, different things totally. Yeah, 731 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: which that part was interesting, but I think because we 732 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 1: didn't get to develop those characters, it's not that interesting, 733 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,760 Speaker 1: which is why we do eventually get rid of it. 734 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 1: So we go. I love the scene they go they 735 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 1: go to the drug store to buy the pregnancy test, 736 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: Miranda and Carrie and I always love Miranda and carry together. 737 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:48,720 Speaker 1: And I hadn't really realized this entire through line. Also, 738 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:53,839 Speaker 1: like they really have these deep talks, the two of them, yea, 739 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 1: the whole time since the beginning that they don't really 740 00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,439 Speaker 1: have with the rest of us, not in the same way. Yeah, 741 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, it's true, and they're so different, and 742 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 1: I think that Miranda really is more I don't know, 743 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,840 Speaker 1: straightforward tells it like it is to carry than the 744 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: rest of us. Obviously. Charlotte is always like cheerleader, yes, yeah, 745 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 1: and how I say, sort of what she wants to 746 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: hear r and positive, like just trying to always put 747 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: the positive on it. And then Samantha might just be like, 748 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,360 Speaker 1: oh no, you know, she just might be like like, 749 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 1: don't do that, you know, you know, like cut to 750 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,919 Speaker 1: the negative. I don't know if that's quite the right word, 751 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 1: but you know what I'm saying, or dismissive or almost 752 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 1: like I'm cynical or whatever, like yeah, that's not going 753 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 1: to work out, you know. And then Miranda is just 754 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,360 Speaker 1: kind of in the middle but very accurate, like she 755 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 1: really knows her wow, which I think is also really 756 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,399 Speaker 1: such a great writing you know that they wrote them 757 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 1: so early on. 758 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 2: And to think about those dynamics separately as well as 759 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 2: as a whole. 760 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: Absolutely and back back in this time. And this is 761 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,320 Speaker 1: also what I love about this episode. All four of 762 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 1: us are together for most of the episode, which I 763 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 1: love because we didn't even have the coffee shop set yet, right, 764 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,320 Speaker 1: so we had had little restaurant scenes that are actually 765 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 1: in little restaurants, but not every episode, which that hadn't 766 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 1: kind of gelled yet either. But this particular episode, we're 767 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 1: all there and then we all go to the bar, 768 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 1: and then we all go to Samantha's I Don't have 769 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 1: a Baby party, which I think is adorable and hilarious, 770 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,760 Speaker 1: and then Lany cms we're all mortified, and then Miranda 771 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 1: starts making out with Samantha's accountant. But I mean, the 772 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 1: thing that's fascinating to me, and this is part of 773 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 1: the reason I did the podcast, is that the topics 774 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 1: that we used way back then in nineteen ninety eight, yes, 775 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 1: are still relevant and interesting. 776 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 2: Right. 777 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 1: That was part of the reason that I thought, yes, 778 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 1: we can do a podcast and we can talk about 779 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 1: that and how it's changed or how it hasn't changed, 780 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,399 Speaker 1: or how does this feel to women now or men 781 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 1: or any anybody. Right, it's super interesting, And then some 782 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,360 Speaker 1: of the things really haven't changed. And I did feel 783 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,720 Speaker 1: also like there was a lot of behind the scenes 784 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 1: stuff that we didn't used to talk about because there 785 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 1: was no social media. I don't think people were necessarily 786 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 1: as interested in how we made film and TV. Yeah, 787 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 1: you know, I agree with you. And we always felt 788 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 1: like we might seem like we were complaining if we 789 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 1: talked about the fact that we were up all night 790 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 1: all the time. Because we were up all night all 791 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,880 Speaker 1: the time, yes, because that's what we had to do. 792 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: And we didn't ever want people to see us as complaining, right, 793 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,360 Speaker 1: because we were so thrilled to have our job. You know, 794 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,360 Speaker 1: our job was like no other job. It was amazing 795 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,320 Speaker 1: and we knew that, you know, so we didn't want 796 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: to be like, oh, we're so tired, you know. We 797 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,600 Speaker 1: thought that would be bad, like bad form, I guess, right. 798 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 1: But I mean, now I feel like everyone knows so 799 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: much more about how things are made. And you know, 800 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: you'll have people out filming when you're you know, filming, 801 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 1: they're filming filming. 802 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 2: We've shown pictures of y'all filming. We've seen it, I know, 803 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 2: But you would never have seen that the first time. 804 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 1: No. Oh no, First of all, it was five in 805 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:02,239 Speaker 1: the morning. Yeah. Second of no, no, the paparazzi didn't come, 806 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 1: and the fans didn't come. I mean, and the movies. 807 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,399 Speaker 1: The movies is when yes, no, no, oh no no, 808 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 1: and Sir Jessica got pregnant. That was when things changed, 809 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 1: and that was so frightening and scary. That was when 810 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:20,120 Speaker 1: there was no sense from the magazines that maybe it 811 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:24,240 Speaker 1: was inappropriate to chase a pregnant woman around the terrible town. 812 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 1: I know, it was very scary to watch, and they 813 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,279 Speaker 1: would sit with us for you know, fourteen hours, like 814 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,320 Speaker 1: it was nuts. Do you feel like that's gotten better? 815 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 1: I do. I don't want to say too much, but 816 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,880 Speaker 1: there's like a few people around town who can be 817 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,360 Speaker 1: like I think, was it last season to Paparazzi? Maybe 818 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,239 Speaker 1: second season of And just like that, two party got 819 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,479 Speaker 1: a fistfight over their positioning to be photographing us during 820 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,840 Speaker 1: a scene like you know, and you we're like, we 821 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 1: got to also focus on our job, right, we need 822 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,640 Speaker 1: to get through the shots. Yeah, we need to get 823 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 1: the shot. We need to not run over you guys. 824 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,799 Speaker 1: I mean, there is to be alive, you know. And 825 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 1: then if there's like fisticus, you're like, oh my gosh, 826 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,400 Speaker 1: what is going on? People? But I mean at this 827 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,400 Speaker 1: point we are kind of used to it in a 828 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 1: really weird way. I'll tell you. What does worry me though, 829 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 1: is that sometimes the fans, like Sir Jessica and I 830 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 1: had a walk and talk towards the end, and our 831 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,839 Speaker 1: production value now is like so way up here, I'm 832 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 1: back to me. I mean we did a lot with 833 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,279 Speaker 1: a little I'm saying, but we use a lot of 834 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 1: handheld cameras in steady cam and like even just on 835 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 1: the shoulder, totally crazy and we would just wheel these 836 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 1: lights down the stream. I mean it was insane, right, 837 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,759 Speaker 1: But now we have huge cranes right and everything's beautifully 838 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,239 Speaker 1: lid and all, thank you, thank you. We try, we try, 839 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,200 Speaker 1: and Michael Patrick feels very strongly about that. He feels 840 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 1: like the fans expect that and he wants to give. 841 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 2: That big fan part of it is so visual, right, 842 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:53,680 Speaker 2: especially in the movies too. 843 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,160 Speaker 1: I think the movie has changed the game for us 844 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 1: and it's hard to go back. We have this fantasy 845 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,399 Speaker 1: that when we came back for it and just like that, 846 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,799 Speaker 1: that we would just be like gorilla filmmaking like we 847 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 1: used to be at the beginning. I don't know what 848 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:09,080 Speaker 1: we were, because it does. Yeah, but we try to 849 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,520 Speaker 1: do our best, but sometimes we don't walk very fast 850 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 1: because we've got the crane, and the crane can only 851 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,360 Speaker 1: move so fast. And I remember seeing somebody watching, a 852 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,839 Speaker 1: fan watching, and saying like, I'm so disappointed. I thought 853 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,920 Speaker 1: they were walking so much faster, and I want to 854 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:24,480 Speaker 1: be like, well, when it's cut together, it's going to 855 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,600 Speaker 1: be okay. Don't don't ruin it for yourself. And also 856 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,399 Speaker 1: they didn't know what we're talking about. We're talking about 857 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,720 Speaker 1: something serious, so we're kind of a little more contemplative 858 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 1: and yeah, right, but like you don't you don't want 859 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:37,760 Speaker 1: to ruin it for the viewers. 860 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I worry about now, Yes, you know, like, 861 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,960 Speaker 2: is it too much a storyline or something? I remember 862 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:48,280 Speaker 2: there was like some photo that everybody completely obsessed. 863 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,160 Speaker 1: Over and now I can't even remember what it was. Right, well, 864 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 1: carry with some man or something? Ready? Aiden was back? 865 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:59,160 Speaker 1: Is Aiden back? Oh? Yeah, babe? That was you got 866 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,480 Speaker 1: to catch out? Was it? Aiden's back? Baby? Can you 867 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,360 Speaker 1: make your notes? I can't tell you anything. He was 868 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,600 Speaker 1: back and now he's kind of gone, Oh. 869 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,359 Speaker 2: You need to catch up the whole first season, which I. 870 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,799 Speaker 1: Was obsessed with. If you like the first season, you'll 871 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:19,319 Speaker 1: really love the third season is coming that's adorable. Yeah, 872 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,719 Speaker 1: Aiden's back. Yeah, I'm not I'm not giving anything. Okay, 873 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,560 Speaker 1: I was like, am I giving something? Aiden came back 874 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:30,040 Speaker 1: and then Aiden left again, and no, okay, watch just 875 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,160 Speaker 1: just watch because there are there are photographs out there. 876 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,200 Speaker 1: So I don't think that I'm telling anything. I shouldn't 877 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,960 Speaker 1: be telling you. No, that's what I'm thinking. Yeah, I mean. Also, 878 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,040 Speaker 1: the funny thing is sometimes Michael Patrick, who is the 879 00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,520 Speaker 1: one who sometimes really wants us to keep secrets, he 880 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,600 Speaker 1: writes these scenes that are on the street. We're trying 881 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:47,920 Speaker 1: to keep a secret, but this is going. 882 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,400 Speaker 2: To give out a lot of people here, like many people. 883 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,440 Speaker 1: And John Corbyn is very very tall. No one's going 884 00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,160 Speaker 1: to miss him out on the street. He is there 885 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:04,120 Speaker 1: in all his glory. But it's great, great interesting storyline, 886 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,640 Speaker 1: storyline involving I'm not getting be any way. I don't 887 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:12,440 Speaker 1: think that was not in season two, parenting and divorce 888 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,400 Speaker 1: and kind of you know, things that we have to 889 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:19,200 Speaker 1: deal with at this age. Yeah, I hope you like it. 890 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:32,279 Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear. I wanted to ask you too, 891 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,440 Speaker 1: and this is kind of you can you don't have 892 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,520 Speaker 1: to answer these what I'm super curious to your thought 893 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,040 Speaker 1: because of the way that we talk about motherhood in 894 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:43,000 Speaker 1: this episode. And obviously I wasn't even thinking about these 895 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,600 Speaker 1: things at the time that we filmed it, right, But 896 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,560 Speaker 1: now many many many years later, and I've got two 897 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 1: kids I adopted and I love so much. But also 898 00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,319 Speaker 1: it is really hard to still have a job. Like 899 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,000 Speaker 1: the whole having it all is really hard. But our 900 00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:00,160 Speaker 1: characters are before that, yes, but also contemplating could I 901 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,480 Speaker 1: possibly do both or not do both? And I'm just 902 00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,640 Speaker 1: curious if you had thoughts on that topic or like 903 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,880 Speaker 1: giving giving up your other life. 904 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think I think obviously you can't 905 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,040 Speaker 2: have it. I think the idea that having it all 906 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,600 Speaker 2: is sort of First of all, nobody's asking, like my 907 00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:24,120 Speaker 2: husband that people aren't asking men. Good if we're giving 908 00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,440 Speaker 2: up things for jobs, you know, yes, I had like 909 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,719 Speaker 2: a even still I don't know nobody's asking that. No, 910 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,839 Speaker 2: and we're talking more about like fair play. And there's 911 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,759 Speaker 2: many friends I have that are doing it on their own. 912 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:42,360 Speaker 2: And but but the point is, I feel like anything 913 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,480 Speaker 2: that sort of separates women and a time where women 914 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,759 Speaker 2: need each other, So like when I was pregnant with 915 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,480 Speaker 2: or maybe my second daughter, somebody was like, now are 916 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:54,799 Speaker 2: you going to take maternity leave? 917 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,200 Speaker 1: And I don't know why it rubbed me the wrong way, 918 00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:58,919 Speaker 1: but I'm like, why do you care? 919 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,160 Speaker 2: Totally, I it's not your business situation is first of all, 920 00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,480 Speaker 2: we should all be able to take as much leave 921 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,719 Speaker 2: as we can, which is not I just found like 922 00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:13,400 Speaker 2: that that conversations around balance were inherently a little elitist. 923 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,640 Speaker 2: Like I worked in inner city d C in West 924 00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,600 Speaker 2: Baltimore with parents who did anything for their kids but 925 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,719 Speaker 2: also worked multiple jobs and of course, you know, and 926 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,920 Speaker 2: nobody was like, so, hey, what's your balance situation? 927 00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,640 Speaker 1: You know? So I found like and also when. 928 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,640 Speaker 2: I first had kids, I was like, when people are 929 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,839 Speaker 2: asking me about that, it made me feel like I 930 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,040 Speaker 2: was doing something. 931 00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,719 Speaker 1: Wrong because there's guilt and here you can't have it all. 932 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,240 Speaker 1: Like what you said is so true. 933 00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:46,239 Speaker 2: It's like something may suffer, and usually what it is 934 00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:50,040 Speaker 2: is our mental health and our mental health and our 935 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,520 Speaker 2: time to like, you know, somebody was like, will you 936 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:53,279 Speaker 2: take your shoes off? 937 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:54,959 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'll take my shoes off, but my toes 938 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:55,680 Speaker 1: looked terrible. 939 00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,440 Speaker 2: You know, Like I'm like, I don't have time to 940 00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,719 Speaker 2: go get a pedicure and listen. 941 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,640 Speaker 1: If I've time for its excited, right, Yeah, and that's 942 00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:06,480 Speaker 1: all fine. Sad, it's sad, it's sad and fine, Yeah, 943 00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,120 Speaker 1: it's fine. Of course have made these choices. 944 00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,840 Speaker 2: And that is and I was thrilled you made those 945 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,000 Speaker 2: choices with those of course, you know, and so but no, 946 00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,319 Speaker 2: And I also had a friend at work who was like, 947 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:18,640 Speaker 2: I don't know about having kids. 948 00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:19,640 Speaker 1: I'm worried. 949 00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,000 Speaker 2: And I will say, in my line of work, having 950 00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,359 Speaker 2: kids is just enriched what we do. 951 00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:26,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. 952 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,319 Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, so I said to this person, I'm like, 953 00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,200 Speaker 2: and also, don't let work be the reason. 954 00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,080 Speaker 1: No, you know, no, I agree. I think you have 955 00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:39,200 Speaker 1: to really deeply listen inside yourself about what you need 956 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,080 Speaker 1: to be happy and think about, you know, are you 957 00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,520 Speaker 1: going to regret not making a decision. You know. 958 00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,840 Speaker 2: Hodi's story is and she wouldn't mind me saying this 959 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,560 Speaker 2: because she said it a million times. She was walking 960 00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,680 Speaker 2: with a friend who and neither one of them had children, 961 00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,960 Speaker 2: and they were in their like, probably late forties, and 962 00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,640 Speaker 2: the friend said, I mean, you and I we just 963 00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:02,520 Speaker 2: never wanted kids. And she stopped and she like internalized 964 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,880 Speaker 2: it and stopped and was like, I mean because nobody 965 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,839 Speaker 2: asked her, I don't think right because she hadn't had 966 00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,799 Speaker 2: a partner, right, And so I feel like, you know, yes, 967 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:13,759 Speaker 2: must resonate a little. It's like, oh, you must have 968 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,400 Speaker 2: a partner to do it. It's like no women can 969 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:20,279 Speaker 2: do things. But she was like, wait, I actually do. 970 00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,040 Speaker 2: And it was like the second she said it out loud, 971 00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,920 Speaker 2: everything changed for her and she now adopted her to 972 00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:26,520 Speaker 2: little girls. 973 00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,880 Speaker 1: So wonderful. Now, I do think it is really interesting, 974 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,800 Speaker 1: the trajectory of all of it. And I think everyone 975 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,400 Speaker 1: is so different and you need to honor your own 976 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:40,160 Speaker 1: self and not be just, you know, trying to satisfy 977 00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,480 Speaker 1: what the society wants or what your parents want, or 978 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,520 Speaker 1: what your friends want or what your friends are doing. 979 00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,760 Speaker 1: And luckily, I think partly because I was an actress 980 00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,040 Speaker 1: and I lived here and then I lived in LA, 981 00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,000 Speaker 1: I had people all over the board. You know what 982 00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,400 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Older moms, younger moms, you know, non moms. 983 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,680 Speaker 1: You know I feel that way too. Yeah, I'm sure 984 00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,279 Speaker 1: not everybody feels no, of course, but it helps to 985 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,879 Speaker 1: have and I do feel and I'm not one hundred 986 00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,759 Speaker 1: percent sure, but I do feel like now out in society. 987 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,399 Speaker 1: Because of social media, you can find your group. Yeah 988 00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,200 Speaker 1: more so, Yeah, I think you're right. I think I hope, 989 00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,160 Speaker 1: I hope that that's true. And I do feel like 990 00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:21,080 Speaker 1: like the worst thing I think could be doing something 991 00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,880 Speaker 1: from a pressured place that you don't feel in your 992 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:28,360 Speaker 1: own gut. Because parenting is no joke. It is amazing, 993 00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:29,120 Speaker 1: but it is. 994 00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:33,080 Speaker 2: It's interesting because I don't, like, I won't feel bad 995 00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:37,040 Speaker 2: about work mistakes or obviously if I've heard somebody's spit 996 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,160 Speaker 2: right or something, you know, that hangs on me. But 997 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,200 Speaker 2: I don't if I'm like, you know, mess up on 998 00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,680 Speaker 2: the prompter or whatever it is, right, ask a question 999 00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:48,000 Speaker 2: that was dumb, I never think about it again, right, right, 1000 00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:52,160 Speaker 2: I'll like stay up all night long or not because 1001 00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:53,040 Speaker 2: I'm not a warrior. 1002 00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:57,480 Speaker 1: But well, you have to think about the right feeling, 1003 00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:57,880 Speaker 1: you know. 1004 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,560 Speaker 2: If I'm like and I'll say, you know, like to 1005 00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,279 Speaker 2: people like God, I need more time here right there. 1006 00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,279 Speaker 2: I think about that way more than I do. 1007 00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:11,120 Speaker 1: The mental weight, the mental weight of parentage is extinct. 1008 00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:15,160 Speaker 1: And I did not. I did not really realize that. 1009 00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,279 Speaker 1: Now me neither, Yeah, because two by myself, I mean, 1010 00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,160 Speaker 1: if you're not thinking about one you're thinking together. 1011 00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,480 Speaker 2: But you're also you've also given them each other. I 1012 00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,360 Speaker 2: have AI, and having a sister is the best. 1013 00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,440 Speaker 1: And I didn't. I was single child, and that's part 1014 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,040 Speaker 1: of why I did it the best. 1015 00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,800 Speaker 2: An only child too, And so she was so thrilled 1016 00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,200 Speaker 2: to be able to have siblings because. 1017 00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,200 Speaker 1: Talk about the book that you wrote with your mom. 1018 00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,680 Speaker 2: With my sister, actually with my sister, which is exactly 1019 00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,440 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. But the amazing there's this article that 1020 00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,840 Speaker 2: called Frank Bruni. It's by Frank Brune in the New 1021 00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,200 Speaker 2: York Times, called the Gift of a Sibling. And yeah, 1022 00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,719 Speaker 2: Barbara and I, like we just adore each other. And 1023 00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,480 Speaker 2: it's called Love Comes First, and it's about that parental 1024 00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,799 Speaker 2: feeling of like it's called I loved you First. 1025 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,600 Speaker 1: I just made up the title, but you know that 1026 00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:04,359 Speaker 1: feeling of. 1027 00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,480 Speaker 2: Having a child and thinking like, oh my gosh, like 1028 00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,960 Speaker 2: the amount of love is so infinite. And I think 1029 00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,960 Speaker 2: all humans have that, absolutely, that possibility. 1030 00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,120 Speaker 1: And I think they have it, you know, whether it's 1031 00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:23,279 Speaker 1: their own child or other children, or their whatever is 1032 00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:27,080 Speaker 1: their creation exactly. But I do love those books. We 1033 00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:31,120 Speaker 1: have a book about adoption that I believe is called 1034 00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:35,200 Speaker 1: something No, I can't remember. It's like a baby version 1035 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:40,120 Speaker 1: about like where love comes from, just like the love 1036 00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,840 Speaker 1: is there and then I had to find you. Yeah, 1037 00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,600 Speaker 1: which I think is great, whether you're having the baby 1038 00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,160 Speaker 1: in the traditional sense or adopting the baby, because I 1039 00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,160 Speaker 1: do feel like that's true, you know, like there's a 1040 00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:54,040 Speaker 1: space in you that opens and then is filled by 1041 00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,560 Speaker 1: that child, and then it's way more than you expected. Totally, yes, 1042 00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:02,680 Speaker 1: and then her sister, Yes, yes, it opens again. And 1043 00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,279 Speaker 1: I don't think there is a limit really, and I 1044 00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,959 Speaker 1: know certainly I was a godmother before I was a mother, 1045 00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,600 Speaker 1: and my goddaughter Arden, who I love so much, who 1046 00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:11,879 Speaker 1: i'd love to have on the show one day, because 1047 00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:15,239 Speaker 1: I won't have like many generations, right, you know I was, 1048 00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,680 Speaker 1: I was Auntie and Andie's great. Oh yeah, so much time. 1049 00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,720 Speaker 2: It is important, yes, like really an important. 1050 00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,640 Speaker 1: Role for because it's a different role and they can 1051 00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,080 Speaker 1: go to you with other things, and you provide a 1052 00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:30,720 Speaker 1: different kind of a safety zone than their own parents. 1053 00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,920 Speaker 2: In this world, and particularly now, I feel like we 1054 00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,759 Speaker 2: need as much love, yeah, to go around. 1055 00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,759 Speaker 1: No joke, this is true, This is true. Well, I 1056 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,600 Speaker 1: can't wait to get your book. Where can I. 1057 00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,799 Speaker 2: Get your book, I'm like, you can get it at 1058 00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,040 Speaker 2: your indie bookstore, and I apologize. 1059 00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,799 Speaker 1: That's okay. I love the indie bookstore. I have a 1060 00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,200 Speaker 1: good one in Brown I go to Yeah local indie 1061 00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,480 Speaker 1: me too, me too cool, so important for communities, I 1062 00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,040 Speaker 1: know for sure. And also you can find really unique 1063 00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,319 Speaker 1: things now, which is so nice. It's nice to just 1064 00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:04,240 Speaker 1: browse in the bookstore like the olden days. Yes, well 1065 00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:08,520 Speaker 1: you are joy, thank you, thank you for I loved here. 1066 00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:13,040 Speaker 1: That was so funisode. I know, I know, And it's 1067 00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,719 Speaker 1: so trippy how related it all is, and how many 1068 00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:20,040 Speaker 1: conversations you could have. This could have been a twelve 1069 00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:20,960 Speaker 1: hour podcast.