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Speaker 2: Today's episode will contain spoilers for the entire season of it,

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Derry, b worret.

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Speaker 3: Hello.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jason Gncepcion.

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Speaker 4: And I'm Rosie Knight, and welcome back to Extra.

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Speaker 2: Vision of the podcast or wait id it's your favorite shows, movies,

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Speaker 4: Plus news plus news or such to do. But this

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Speaker 5: Instead, we will have Joelle, one of our Scream Queens,

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Speaker 5: and the Xtra Vision Cinephile to react to the finale

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Speaker 5: of it Welcome to Derry, which was just absolutely astounding.

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Speaker 5: Make sure guys that you listen to our recap that

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Speaker 5: came out with an incredible interview with the Musquetties, and

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Speaker 5: we will also be looking at the higher season and

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Speaker 5: what will season two look like our biggest question, as

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Speaker 5: well as we'll be finishing up with an interview looking

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Speaker 5: back at the whole season with the incredible actress Kimberly

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Speaker 5: Guerrero who plays Rose and talked quite extensively about the

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Speaker 5: realities of putting the show together in a way that

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Speaker 5: was both respectful and engaging. And entertaining for the indigenous community.

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Speaker 5: And before we jump in, guys, a quick production note.

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Speaker 5: This holiday season, we'll be sharing a couple of shorter

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Speaker 5: Stocking Stuff episodes with you. With so many great shows, movies,

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Speaker 5: and TV coming out in the next few months, these

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Speaker 5: episodes will help us cover some extra content we wouldn't

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Speaker 5: be able to get to on our own normal episodes,

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Speaker 5: so keep an eye out for those coming this month.

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Speaker 1: But first up, let's welcome Joelle. Joelle.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, to talk about here so much, I

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Speaker 2: don't even know where to start. But shall we start

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Speaker 2: with what I think is one of the biggest reveal

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Speaker 2: most shocking scenes of the season, which is penny Wise

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Speaker 2: just casually dropping that Marge is Richie from It The

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Speaker 2: Loser Crazy Yeah is Richie's mom, and that Penny Wise

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Speaker 2: the factoid that Marge is the Sarah Connor of the universe.

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Speaker 6: Crazy also like to turn to this Sir Connor at

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Speaker 6: the end too, like I'm gonna killing this fucking class.

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Speaker 4: She's like, She's like, wait a minute, this. I love

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Speaker 5: Like, well, he told me he can see it all

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Speaker 5: at the same time. So she's like, so what if

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Speaker 5: he just went back and tried to kill our parents?

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Speaker 5: Every time, it's like, okay, you sopped the whole show.

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Speaker 5: I respect the mesquechies so much because that goes against

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Speaker 5: every single rule that you ever told in screenplay screenwriter,

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Speaker 5: like do not wait till the finale to set up

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Speaker 5: the entire thesis of your season, guys.

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Speaker 4: But I love that they did it.

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Speaker 5: Also, Joelle, let's talk about after the finale, where does

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Speaker 5: this rank on your best TV shows of the year?

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Speaker 5: Because I think for the finale it really sold me.

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Speaker 5: I ended up adding it to our graphic I made

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Speaker 5: of our best of even though I didn't mention it

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Speaker 4: Where does it rank for you? Joel?

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Speaker 6: It's number three for me, The Pit and or It

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Speaker 6: Welcome to Darry. It's really been angry and I'm waiting

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Speaker 6: I'm waffling back and forth on it. It's a very

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Speaker 6: good show, but there's a fun level. If you're a

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Speaker 6: and I wasn't sure that was possible. One of the

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Speaker 6: I was like, that's really upsetting, genuinely, but the kids

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's when he was gonna go to sleep finally,

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Speaker 4: Okay, Joelle, let me ask you some quick questions. The

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Speaker 6: But I don't know enough about the missed background to speculate.

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Speaker 4: Real horrors of humanity.

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Speaker 5: So I'm I'm very interested to see whether or not

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Speaker 4: Like we have gotten so many connections. Okay, Joelle.

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Speaker 6: He had time to print right up thirty seven missing

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Speaker 6: We do see humans posting the wanted posters for Ronnie's

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Speaker 4: That's yeah, to make people feel really afraid. I love

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Speaker 4: Who's who, guys?

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Speaker 2: I think that the general maguffiness of the final conflict

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Speaker 2: And the whole gamification kind of coach speak monologue about

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Speaker 2: It was a little bit too much and it set

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Speaker 2: But what if we just made it so insane and

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Speaker 1: Of, like Richie coming out of the shining.

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Speaker 2: Help me, why not the war chiefs? Why not all

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Speaker 1: Why not all the people through because why you just

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Speaker 2: And honestly, I'm so mad at Richie still for the

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Speaker 4: Oh, I'm sorry a quitter Jason Silk. It was so.

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Speaker 2: Fucking fittastic, Like the very yeah, I did send a

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Speaker 6: And sorry, please Richie laid.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm want to say there's no way out, and

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Speaker 1: Here's he put in the box and.

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Speaker 2: Then proceeded to tell a whole ask metaphor about truth.

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Speaker 3: He told the whole story.

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Speaker 2: He had to tell a whole two minute story to

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Speaker 2: get to his last words, you use your last energy

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Speaker 6: I believe this is a very valid Okay, listen, last week,

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Speaker 6: I do think that there's something really poignant about a

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 6: Did it absolutely win me over, Like I'm not even

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Speaker 5: This is the kind of hilarious scenario that we've ended

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Speaker 6: Of the major and trying not to have any fear?

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Speaker 4: But I found that very.

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Speaker 6: Because they shows well anyways, eating ahead, we see children's bodies.

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Speaker 5: And we're back, and while I sound happy, we're actually

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Speaker 4: Do I think it was realistic? Depressingly so? Yes?

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Speaker 5: Do I think I wish I had seen Taniell get

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Speaker 2: It's just like it's mysterious in magic, because y'all are

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Speaker 5: I need more time with that, any more time with

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Speaker 4: But I would love if.

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Speaker 4: Were protecting against it.

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Speaker 5: I think there's so many different ways they can broaden

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Speaker 2: It just felt like it was ultimately much salla, and

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Speaker 2: left to presume that it's because he was freed from

444
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 2: the pen and therefore could you know, was like engaged

445
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,360
Speaker 2: in active after his cycle?

446
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 1: But then they lock him in again.

447
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 2: It seems like, but what does so what? How much

448
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:20,119
Speaker 2: does the cycle really count? And where is the limit

449
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 2: of Pennywise's ability to affect things? Because we saw all

450
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 2: throughout this season he had an ability and they muffled

451
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 2: it up. We're not sure of how much of it

452
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,719
Speaker 2: was Ingrid and how much of it was Pennywise, and

453
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 2: how much it was penny Wise influencing Ingrid. Okay, we

454
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 2: don't know, but we saw seemingly lots of circumstances in

455
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 2: which Pennywise was able to reject his influence outside of

456
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 2: where he was penned up. So like, where do we

457
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 2: stand with how does it work?

458
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 1: So Wise?

459
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 5: I have thought about this the law, and I've rewatched

460
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 5: a law of the episodes.

461
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 4: So this is why I think.

462
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 5: I think that if Pennywise is trapped in the pen,

463
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 5: they can only keep him fully sleep for twenty six years, right,

464
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 5: and what they have to do in the meantime is

465
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 5: you know.

466
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 4: Just try and be doing things to make sure he's

467
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 4: not waking up.

468
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 5: And then every twenty six years, his power he gets

469
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 5: is he starts to wake up from his sleep and

470
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 5: he has to kill twenty seven people specifically or something minimal.

471
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 4: And yeah, it's like there's a certain amount.

472
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 5: That he has to kill before he's like his hunger

473
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 5: is sated and he goes back into the ground.

474
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,719
Speaker 4: And that was basically what I got from my rewatches.

475
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 5: But it's definitely the interesting The interesting thing to me

476
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 5: is like the numbers, the code, how much like I

477
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 5: wonder I would love to see if that's gonna shift

478
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 5: when we go back twenty six years, like they're still

479
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 5: trying to work it out.

480
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 1: You know.

481
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 5: Also, okay, twenty six years ago, are we gonna get

482
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 5: young Rose? Because that could be a great way to

483
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 5: continue that storyline, right, you know, so I would like

484
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 5: to see that because yeah, I mean the danger of

485
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 5: broadening out a world like this is that you start

486
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 5: to ask questions, right, we always joke about that, You

487
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 5: start to ask the deeper questions.

488
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 4: It's what happened in the MCU.

489
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 5: How does this.

490
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 4: Character get here? How does this character get here?

491
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 5: But I have to say, for the most part, this

492
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 5: show went so bombastic and crazy that you don't really

493
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 5: end up having those conversations in the moment, Like when

494
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 5: you're watching them, you're just like, yeah, I'm in this

495
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 5: is happening, and it's only after that we start going like, oh, okay, well, actually,

496
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 5: maybe if we talk about this, talk about that.

497
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 4: And I think that is one of the biggest things.

498
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 6: That the numbers feel pretty arbitrary to me. Twenty seven

499
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 6: whatever I do, I'm not sure if that has any

500
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 6: kind of like heavier influence. Well, I'm really intrigued by

501
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:47,439
Speaker 6: is the direction of time flowing for penny Wise? The

502
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 6: line is it my death or my birth doesn't make

503
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 6: a difference. Soul penny Wise really sticks out for me

504
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 6: because also, oh my gosh, you guys, does he think

505
00:25:58,359 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 6: of himself as penny Wise?

506
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 3: Is he it contained in.

507
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 6: The body of the cause? Like it really opened a

508
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 6: lot of questions, including is that his death or his birth?

509
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 6: If that's his birth and he moves backwards in time,

510
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 6: does he move backwards linearly or does he hop around?

511
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 6: Like I my mind was a little bit blown by this.

512
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 5: Like I do like fulimation of an alien that sees

513
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 5: all time at the same time, and I kind of

514
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 5: imagine if you visualize like Pennywise's mouth beam and how.

515
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 4: He freezes people with it, I kind of assume that.

516
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 5: His experiential feeling of time and everything is like kind

517
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 5: of like the beam, where it can just be kind

518
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 5: of flitting in and out of memories throughout the different

519
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 5: time and he's kind of getting little bits and bobs,

520
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 5: which is why it's hard for him to fight against kids,

521
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 5: because he doesn't actually have all the information at all times.

522
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 5: He has multiple pieces of information throughout the story. And

523
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 5: this also I'm very interested about his shape shifting abilities

524
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 5: because here I feel like we don't really see them

525
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 5: to an extreme degree. We really learn a lot about

526
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 5: Bob and about the illusions, but I'm really interested to

527
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 5: see if that can kind of shift and change as

528
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 5: we go on and we'll get to see more, especially

529
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 5: pre Bob Gray. What did penny Wise look like? Obviously

530
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 5: he wasn't penny Wise, was it the Spider? Was it

531
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 5: the slender Mass?

532
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,479
Speaker 6: And we know he kind of jumps around between bodies,

533
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 6: so we saw him as a preacher at one point,

534
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 6: and it seems to me that his shape shifting is

535
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 6: based off of nightmares or like, because like the preest

536
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 6: just gets really tall. There's the elongated creature, there's the

537
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 6: deer with like multiple sets of antlers at one point.

538
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 6: Obviously like the whole mouth deforming thing. I think he

539
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 6: can only inhabit the body of something he eats, but

540
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 6: he can shape shift that body to any kind of

541
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 6: nightmarish form in order to sort of produce the scare.

542
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 4: Makes a lot of sense.

543
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 5: I also think you're right, Joelle, the numbers are kind

544
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 5: of arbitrary if we look at the books as well,

545
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 5: but it is. The idea is always that there is

546
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 5: a horrible event at the beginning and end of the hibernation, right,

547
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 5: So it goes back in the books to like a

548
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 5: disappearance of three hundred and forty settlers in the original

549
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 5: township of Derry, and then one hundred and eight people

550
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 5: who were killed at like an iron works explosion, and

551
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 5: most of those were kids, like an Easter egg hunt

552
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 5: and stuff. So I think it is to do more

553
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,479
Speaker 5: so with like something terrible just has to happen, and

554
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 5: that's the awakening and the sleeping moments, and that's kind

555
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 5: of how you know.

556
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 6: I have another thought, sure, Okay, here's what I would like,

557
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 6: just for some concrete ground underneath my feet. I want

558
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 6: Pennywise to experience time backwards. Hear me out, Oh, it

559
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 6: makes sense why the Losers killed him so easily. If

560
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 6: he experiences time backwards's completely inexperienced. And if your numbers

561
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 6: were on the order of a major experiences you just

562
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 6: listed Rosie, those numbers are going down, which is getting

563
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 6: more violent and more scary the further back we go,

564
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 6: which is an extreme premis for a clown were you

565
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 6: really felt, you know, Georgie's death in chapter one is

566
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 6: so horrific that you kind of feel like you're starting

567
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 6: at the top. But this sort of unravels that and

568
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 6: says like this is the base of Pennywise, and that

569
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 6: makes me really excited for season two.

570
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm really excited.

571
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 5: What what's your biggest pitch now that we've seen how

572
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 5: they handled sixty two? What do you think, Jason, if

573
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 5: you look at the history of American kind of political

574
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 5: spaces and landscapes, what do you think twenty six, twenty

575
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 5: seven years in the past after this they'll be exploring next.

576
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: It's a good question.

577
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 2: I would like to see them go back further, Carmen

578
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 2: has talked a lot about these sewers and they felt

579
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 2: they feel almost purpose built for Penny Wise and I.

580
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: Would love to know.

581
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 2: I think it would be cool to go back to

582
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 2: the era when those are being constructed.

583
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 4: Wow, I would love that, which makes sense.

584
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 6: We're looking at nineteen thirty five for the next set

585
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 6: of stuff, so that could easily be a time when

586
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 6: we're seeing like public works trying to develop.

587
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 5: Industrial resolution in areas and stuff.

588
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 4: Wow.

589
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 5: I mean, that's a really cool, interesting era that I

590
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 5: would love to see them take on.

591
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 6: And I think that is all you're talking widespread famine

592
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 6: and financial ruin. You're also posting at a most landstoon

593
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 6: Flancia and the boom of the Jim Crow era, like

594
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 6: it's a yeah, it's a it's a difficult time culturally

595
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 6: for America, which is gonna make for some really I wonder,

596
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 6: you know, we know there's no air force at that time.

597
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 6: I'm pretty sure military people correct me if I'm wrong.

598
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 6: I don't think there's an air force at the time.

599
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 6: So is it a military base a fort?

600
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, there is air force. We have an air

601
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: force by then, yeah, and one in the twenties. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah,

602
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: we're an air force.

603
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 6: There's a young Air Force base in Derry. I wonder

604
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 6: what kind of like what the presence is for the

605
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 6: military gangsters guys. Oh my god, yeah, we're gonna get gangsters.

606
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 3: I'm so oh my god.

607
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 5: Can you imagine it's gonna be like fucking penny Wise

608
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 5: with a Tommy gun, like the mosque, like.

609
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 6: All the Looney Tune style shenanigans, like I was, well

610
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 6: they have really yeah, six probably happens in the third

611
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 6: the thirties earlier where the Ironworks factory explosion is.

612
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 5: I think that that is in like the early nineteen hundred,

613
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 5: so it could be that could definitely be it. Actually,

614
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 5: because we have the first one is like nineteen oh

615
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 5: five originally, I think where they first have the terrible

616
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 5: penny Wise thing, and then it is like the next

617
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 5: it's nineteen oh six is the Iron Work. So it's

618
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 5: probably going to be another one before that building in

619
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 5: what we see, I mean.

620
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 6: I again, who sort of dealt with that while the

621
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 6: kids are dealing with.

622
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 5: The after, And I'm also interested to see if they

623
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 5: lean into more of like you know in the books,

624
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 5: penny Wise is a were wolf and he is a spider,

625
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 5: and he is all these terrifying kind of tropy horror things,

626
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 5: and that could be really fun to play with in

627
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 5: the thirties. What does fear look like in the thirties

628
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 5: of America?

629
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 6: Those creepy clown massive costumes from the Throne of You

630
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 6: guys are seeing kids in the twenties and thirties. Oh yeah, costumes,

631
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 6: but it's genuinely so terrifying.

632
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 5: Easter Egg with the Easter Bunny, that's some of the

633
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 5: scariest American photography of that era, Like.

634
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 4: The forties Easter Bunny. It's not cute. Finally, if you are.

635
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 5: You know all of this has gone down, You're about

636
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 5: to leave, and Rose says to you, Hey, guys, stay,

637
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 5: you gotta fight Pennywise, please don't leave, Dairy, Please don't

638
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 5: forget what you're doing.

639
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 4: You stay in or you leave in.

640
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 6: The fun deary.

641
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's go.

642
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 6: They did not convince me of why anyone chose.

643
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 5: I appreciate the walk that she's doing that, but I

644
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 5: don't know if me being that is gonna help in

645
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 5: any way, shape or form. I don't think you guys

646
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 5: have got it under control yet.

647
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 2: Even a little bit like Rose, I think that you're

648
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 2: fooling yourself. You got you folks, act like you've got

649
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 2: this under control. Fifty people.

650
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: Ish died this time, and you guys are like pretty

651
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: the numbers.

652
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 2: Guys, kids, it's like.

653
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:32,479
Speaker 6: We don't keep an eye on it.

654
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 3: Who will?

655
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: Yet?

656
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 6: The force you cannot control? Why did you not learn

657
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 6: that this time?

658
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 2: I am not I am in no way, shape or

659
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 2: form taking an unpaid position to keep a demon clown

660
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 2: locked in up a hen that the demon clown is

661
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 2: not even locked into all.

662
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: I want to free him, not doing it.

663
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 4: Leaving Jason said, I'm out, I'm out.

664
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 6: Shit. Wait before we leave, guys, we have to talk

665
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 6: about the final scene and and like what does it

666
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 6: portend for what the future series might give us. I'm

667
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 6: really intrigued seeing why names so hard no other one,

668
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 6: Oh Lady Ingrid, Ingrid, Ingrid. I'm really intrigued by to

669
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 6: see Ingrid as a young nurse, and hopefully we can

670
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 6: get a more solid understanding of like what the fuck

671
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 6: happened to why she's like.

672
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 4: Scene as Ingrid Old.

673
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 6: Yes, but what I'm saying is we spend a lot

674
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 6: of time in that hospital and for them to go

675
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 6: forward and show us.

676
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 4: Oh you would like to see that?

677
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I think, like, why is that the ending scene?

678
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 6: Like you don't need it really, I mean, I guess

679
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 6: they don't know if fans have caught on at this

680
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 6: point as to whether, like you know who she is.

681
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 6: But to me, it's also like an ending point to

682
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 6: showcase like where are we going back to? So I

683
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 6: think by showing us one of the old kids from

684
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 6: the old movies two gives us this idea of like

685
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 6: how deeply rooted and connected these things are. I'm looking

686
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 6: forward to returning to Darry and sort of seeing the

687
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 6: de evolution of the community, but the evolution of Penny Wise,

688
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 6: And I think kind of watching those two things contrast

689
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 6: is going to be really interesting going forward. And I

690
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 6: think too, as we get further away from our understanding

691
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 6: of like morals of today, we're like, it's gonna get

692
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 6: a lot dirtier and nastier than anything we saw in

693
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 6: season one. So I'm excited about it.

694
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 5: Joelle, you actually just inspired me because also I think

695
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 5: you're right. I thought that was just an executive decision

696
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 5: to say, hey, look it's connected to the movies, but no,

697
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 5: March just said penny Wise experiences time, past, present, future

698
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 5: all at the same time.

699
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 4: So I think we could get in.

700
00:35:55,239 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 5: Season two more movie Losers Club joining through time, shifting

701
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 5: time playing around. Maybe that's also what they're hinting at here,

702
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 5: is we're going to get to see how these characters

703
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 5: really connect to that original Losers Club, which I think

704
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 5: is a little.

705
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 6: Bit of that here and there with those little movie

706
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 6: opening scenes. So yeah, definitely I could see that.

707
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 2: Well, you guys, I love it. It's been really fun

708
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 2: talking about this show. My much respect to Richie. I'm

709
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 2: sorry that I had to criticize you and your final names,

710
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 2: but you love what you added to the to the

711
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 2: story this season. Next up, Rosie sits down with Kimberly Guerrero,

712
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 2: who plays Rose in it.

713
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 5: Welcome again, Kimberly, thank you so much for joining us

714
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 5: on X ray Vision.

715
00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 3: Thank you, Rosie, it's great to be here.

716
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, we are just such huge fans of this show.

717
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 5: It has been such an incredible journey to go on

718
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:12,919
Speaker 5: with these newer characters, to kind of recontextualize so much

719
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 5: of Derry and the lore, and also kind of to

720
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 5: root it really in real American history. So what was

721
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 5: your experience with Stephen King before this, what was your

722
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 5: Stephen King entry point?

723
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 3: The entry point was probably just reading as a kid,

724
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 3: you know, like Carrie, and and then of course the

725
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 3: movie started coming along. Being in an eighties kid, Yeah

726
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 3: so you know Kujoe, Yeah, Carrie of course. And then

727
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 3: I probably my favorite Stephen King is actually stand by

728
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 3: Me and Shawshank, The Shining. I can't remember how long

729
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 3: it took me to finally watch The Shining. It was,

730
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 3: you know, just the commercials terrified me, so I never

731
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 3: watched it. But I was really really into horror as

732
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 3: a kid, so it started there.

733
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 5: I think the funny thing is you're not the first

734
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 5: person who's said that to me.

735
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 4: I've spoken to multiple incredible, kind of creative people like

736
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,760
Speaker 4: you who were so scared.

737
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 5: I think Karen Gillen was one of them who told me,

738
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 5: like her dad had told her it was so scary

739
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 5: that by the time she watched it, she was like,

740
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 5: it is, but it's scary in a different way than

741
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 5: I built up in my head. Oh you know, yeah,

742
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 5: so it is. It's kind of the psychological aspects of King.

743
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 5: I think that get us when we're when we're older.

744
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 5: So when you were approached about Welcome to Darry. Obviously

745
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 5: you're a working actress, so first thing's job love that,

746
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 5: Like that's always the first thing, right, Like I'm always

747
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 5: you know, people like why did you take it?

748
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 4: It's like, hey, we all need to work.

749
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 5: But how did it feel when you read the script

750
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 5: and kind of saw this new approach that the show

751
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 5: was taking.

752
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 3: It was really exciting and I I think coming from

753
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 3: my perspective as an Indigenous person, it was an immediate

754
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 3: kind of not a concern, but just to tell me

755
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 3: about the representation. And so I responded to casting pretty

756
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 3: quickly and said, can we talk about representation? And I

757
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 3: think within thirty six hours, I had zoom schedule Andy

758
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 3: and Barbara and we were it was I mean, I'm thinking,

759
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 3: you know, twenty minutes talks and I think we were

760
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 3: on the zoom for an hour and twenty minutes.

761
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:34,439
Speaker 5: Wow.

762
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 3: And it was interesting because I had all of my

763
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 3: you know, I'm a screenwriter as well and a historian,

764
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 3: and so I was kind of going through all of

765
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 3: the questions that I might have because it's so specific

766
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 3: to that tribe and to that region and to that history,

767
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 3: and so they just before I got to any of

768
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 3: the questions. They had already answered those questions not only

769
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 3: in a kind of a respectful way culturally, but also

770
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 3: in an entertaining and compelling way, a story logic way,

771
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 3: so that it was really exciting.

772
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 5: That must have been really nice, because yes, something we've

773
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,280
Speaker 5: definitely talked about throughout this is like you know, many

774
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 5: American North American, you know, kind of white writer Stephen

775
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 5: King people like that, they have used indigenous tropes and

776
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 5: stuff in the past. So it must have been surprising

777
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 5: and satisfying to have that kind of collaborative open mindedness

778
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 5: to this project.

779
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 4: When you had that conversation.

780
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 3: It really was and it was something that again for me,

781
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 3: coming from the perspective of a storyteller, and I mean,

782
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 3: you know, like a storyteller with the capitalist storyteller, that

783
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 3: there's a calling involved and then there's a spiritual reality involved.

784
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 3: It was it was like, yes, it's now is the time,

785
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 3: and I'm so excited that I get to be part

786
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 3: of that conversation. There's so many other extraordinary indigenous folks

787
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 3: on this show that contributed, and we're our true clan.

788
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 3: John Behar, Mitchell Tasbachavas, Sharid Malin and just it just

789
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 3: goes on and on and then even like say the

790
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 3: folks that form the children of Maturin, right, I'm not

791
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 3: even gonna say extras or background. I mean, it was

792
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 3: just that was our team, that was our family. We

793
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 3: had a conversation beforehand, We prayed beforehand, We talked about

794
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 3: what that meant to us, what being a guardian means,

795
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 3: what a warrior society means, and the different issues that

796
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 3: were facing our community and grounding it in that reality.

797
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 3: So you know, what you see, even for a moment

798
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 3: on screen, I think has a depth to it if you,

799
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 3: you know, stick with it long enough, and even if

800
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 3: you don't, I think you automatically feel there's a world there,

801
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 3: there's connection there with centuries of groundedness. And so it

802
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 3: was I knew from the jump, like, wow, Barbaran Andy

803
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 3: and the Stephen King univer is the place to go

804
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 3: very deep and in a way that could hit really hard.

805
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that.

806
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 5: Could you talk a little bit more about that because

807
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 5: I think, you know, storytelling is a tradition that has

808
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 5: been existed as long as humans have existed, right, And

809
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 5: I think that now because of the monetization and kind

810
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 5: of capitalistic nature of entertainment, sometimes the importance and intentionality

811
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 5: of storytelling and its power can be lost. So can

812
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,919
Speaker 5: you talk a little bit about why for you, even

813
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 5: though some people watch the show and think, well, that's fictional,

814
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 5: why does it matter? Could you talk a little bit

815
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 5: about why it was important for you to pray and

816
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 5: to tie it to the things that you're still struggling

817
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 5: with and to make sure that it was both real

818
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 5: on screen but also off screen for the people involved.

819
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, there's kind of a deep, deeper understanding that

820
00:42:54,320 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 3: story is medicine, and when you're speaking of ceremonial medicine,

821
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 3: it has the potential to do harm or the potential

822
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 3: to bring healing and to do good. And so I

823
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 3: think you have to take care with the stories that

824
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 3: you tell and the way that you tell them, the

825
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 3: people that you tell them, with the protocols that you

826
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 3: that you go through with the land, because the land

827
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 3: remembers and so there's a lot of moving parts to

828
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 3: the invisible nature of life and and what's beyond the

829
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 3: life that we know just you know, kind of here

830
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 3: in this in this kind of postmodern, post post modern world.

831
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 3: But so it was kind of locking into all of

832
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 3: those things and making sure that the medicine that we

833
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 3: were that we were creating was good medicine. And I

834
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 3: think that everyone, everyone's heart that worked on this project

835
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 3: is in front of the camera, behind the camera, back

836
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 3: in the office, back in the office office, even back

837
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 3: in Los Angeles, Lily, who's you know pulling all these

838
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 3: interviews together. We all have such a heart for the

839
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 3: kind of compassion, empathy, community building, you know, this kind

840
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 3: of antidote to the dehumanization that's sweeping our world right

841
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 3: now and has been sweeping our world for a while,

842
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 3: and so you know, it's that's why it felt so

843
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 3: important from the jump, and that's why it's always been

844
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 3: important for me as a storyteller, as an actor, as

845
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 3: a screenwriter to choose to work on stories that I

846
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 3: feel like are doing bringing good into the world and

847
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 3: not causing harm. And I don't think that there's really

848
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 3: I love. There's a song Bob Dylan wrote called you

849
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 3: Got to Serve Somebody, and it's like, that's it, right,

850
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 3: It's like maybe the devil or maybe the Lord, but

851
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 3: you gotta be you gotta serve somebody. And I think

852
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,439
Speaker 3: it's the story is the same way I think it's

853
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 3: I don't think there's a neutral story. I think it

854
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 3: has the potential for harm and the potential for good.

855
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 5: I love that so much, And I think the reason

856
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 5: that we have been so attracted to this is you

857
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 5: can feel that care. I can often struggle, especially as

858
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 5: I've grown older, with horror stories that feel too exploitative

859
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 5: or too much pushing tropes that are actually incredibly harmful,

860
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 5: or pushing notions about you know, certain types of people,

861
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 5: or even just like notions about kids. I love the

862
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 5: way the kids in this show are treated as children,

863
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 5: but they're also treated as whole beings with agency. We

864
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 5: rarely ever get to see children treated that way on screen,

865
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 5: and it makes sense to me that this was something

866
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 5: you guys were feeling so intentional about because I spoke

867
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 5: to Chris Chalk, who obviously plays Dick, and he spoke

868
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 5: a lot about making sure that you know, his wife

869
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 5: is actually a herbalist, and making sure that those traditions

870
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 5: were represented proper belief. So what was the working environment

871
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 5: like as you started to realize, like, oh, this really

872
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 5: is a team where everyone is pulling from their own

873
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 5: stories and bringing it to make something good.

874
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 3: I think it feels like that we can. I mean,

875
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 3: I think probably most of us listening to this can

876
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 3: relate to this of when you played as a young

877
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 3: person and you played hard, you know, like on a

878
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 3: really nice summer day where you were going to go

879
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 3: out and you're going to stay out for hours with

880
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 3: your friends and ride bikes or build something or make

881
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 3: a treehouse or you know, discover something in the in

882
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 3: the woods or something like that, and you got around

883
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 3: people that were just as passionate, like they were willing

884
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 3: to go. It didn't matter how uncomfortable it got, it

885
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 3: didn't matter how scary it God, it didn't matter how

886
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,760
Speaker 3: late it got, or how hungry you got or thirsty

887
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 3: you got, like we're gonna go, We're gonna do this thing.

888
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 3: And so that's what it felt like. It felt like,

889
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 3: you know, this really this joy that is deeply childlike

890
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 3: meaning it felt very limitless, but it had that balance

891
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 3: of being an adult and an artist striving for excellence.

892
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 3: So it was everybody kind of bringing this this depth

893
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:19,720
Speaker 3: and this experience and this embodied knowledge to the circle

894
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 3: and bouncing off of each other in a way that,

895
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 3: as you just said, you know, I think the audience

896
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 3: can really feel, and certainly we were feeling on camera.

897
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 3: There's this thing that will happen to us as actors,

898
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 3: and I wonder sometimes if it's behind the camera and

899
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 3: on the set as well, where you know it's clicking

900
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 3: and you know it's feeling great and you're just praying

901
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 3: it translates y, you know, on screen. And I've seen

902
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 3: it work and I've seen it not work, Like I've

903
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 3: shot something like this is the greatest thing. I'm like, oh,

904
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 3: you know, not so much when you see it, but

905
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 3: it was so great when we are doing it. And

906
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 3: so it's been a real gift to watch it and

907
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 3: watch it over and watch it over again and watch

908
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 3: it over again. And it's one of those really special

909
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,720
Speaker 3: shows where the more you watch it, the better it gets.

910
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that you see and that's really exciting.

911
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 5: To what's it like for you then, because that's kind

912
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 5: of really interesting parallel to Rose because Rose is really

913
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 5: the one person who always knows what's going on in Derry.

914
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 5: So what was it like kind of having to shoulder

915
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 5: that responsibility and be that kind of beacon, that watcher,

916
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 5: that person who makes sure that they know what is

917
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 5: coming and when it's coming. How did you kind of

918
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 5: prepare for that role.

919
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 6: We know.

920
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 3: It's kind of interesting because in that initial conversation I

921
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 3: had with Andy and Barbara and I think it was

922
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 3: during that conversation they said, you're a rose like you

923
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 3: were like, we want to work with you. And at

924
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 3: that point I said, I will be the spiritual mother,

925
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 3: like the clan mother of this show. And just know

926
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 3: that you can come to me when you need something,

927
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 3: or things are going wrong with the equipment, or if things,

928
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 3: you know, weird things start happening, which they can on

929
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 3: a set, they can anywhere. Right, don't hesitate to come

930
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 3: to me. It won't just be me. It'll be me

931
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 3: in the community. But we will pray and we will sing,

932
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 3: and we will put out medicine or whatever it is

933
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 3: our different ways are. But just don't you know, don't

934
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,720
Speaker 3: everythink you're alone in this spiritually. And so it started

935
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 3: from the jump, you know, it started there. And then

936
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 3: there were prayers, you know, on October twenty six when

937
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 3: it premiered all over the world, there were prayers that

938
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 3: hearts would be open and minds would be opened. Beyond

939
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 3: it being a quote unquote successful show, so success to

940
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 3: us meant something else. It meant that the medicine gets

941
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 3: to the people, because I think a lot of our

942
00:49:58,239 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 3: hearts are hurting right now.

943
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, it feels really special when people can connect with

944
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 5: something that to some people just seems like entertainment. And

945
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 5: that's absolutely fine as well, Like this can exist on

946
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 5: that plane. But I love when a community and a

947
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 5: fandom is inspired because they can feel that kind of

948
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 5: medicine and that love and that passion and what it's

949
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 5: supposed to do and what it's got to say. Because

950
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 5: by the time the show has makes itself very clear

951
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,280
Speaker 5: early on about what it cares about and what's important.

952
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 5: But you know, by the time we get to episode seven,

953
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 5: episode eight, we are really in that balance of how

954
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,479
Speaker 5: do you showcase the true harm that can be done

955
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 5: by humans and by hatred while not allowing it to

956
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 5: become exploitative and make sure that it is balanced and

957
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 5: that we are getting something that is worthwhile that nobody

958
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 5: dies for no reason, you know. So, could you talk

959
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 5: a little bit about approaching those last couple of episodes

960
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 5: where you knew that the content and the kind of

961
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 5: personal horror was gonna.

962
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,240
Speaker 4: Get a little bit more raw and visceral.

963
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely. For instance, in that scene in episode seven

964
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 3: where you see the Children of Maturin meeting and talking

965
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 3: about what is the final count, and there were a

966
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 3: lot of real tears happening in that circle. Had they

967
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 3: had had we have more time. It's such as you

968
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 3: can see, it's such a big show and there's so

969
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 3: many moving parts to it and they all matter.

970
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 5: We were wishing for a lot more time with you guys,

971
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 5: Like I was going to say, too, I need to know.

972
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 5: I need the Rose spin off where we get to

973
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 5: see what she does when she's off for twenty six years, Like.

974
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 3: That's what we need non stop. It's non stop. Our

975
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 3: work as children of mature and is never ending. And

976
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 3: we and we also care in my you know, in

977
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 3: my worldview, we also care. That's why Rose is running

978
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 3: the secondhand shop because she's helping the care for the

979
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 3: things that the people that have passed. So she's helping

980
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 3: them move, you know, helping their spirits move, especially when

981
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 3: they've gone in such a traumatic way. So it's kind

982
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 3: of interesting because watching it again last night, I was thinking, wow,

983
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,399
Speaker 3: you know, Rose would be a part of helping those

984
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 3: people that are actually around Dick hallerin helping them move on.

985
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 3: You know, which is why when you see in the

986
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 3: final episode when Dick comes to me and he's like,

987
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 3: I'm like, I can help you, you know, and like

988
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 3: you said, I do know, and it's not it's an

989
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 3: earn knowledge, because this is hundreds and hundreds and hundreds

990
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 3: of years of pass down knowledge, and so yeah, it

991
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,359
Speaker 3: was just knowing that. So the children of a torn

992
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 3: regrounded it in what was happening in our own community

993
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 3: with missing and burnered indigenous family members and the crisis

994
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 3: that is ongoing that if you look back through history

995
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 3: really hasn't stopped from the moment of you know, of

996
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 3: the arrival of the first Europeans, So it hasn't ended.

997
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 3: It's just transitioned into you know what it is nowadays

998
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 3: with human trafficking, although you know, you could have called

999
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 3: it that back then as well. So but we were

1000
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 3: talking about, you know, everybody in the circle had a chance.

1001
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,720
Speaker 3: We had a storytelling circle at the big talking circle

1002
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,240
Speaker 3: at the beginning, and everybody had a chance to share

1003
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 3: their feeling. So everything was grounded so that when we

1004
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 3: talked about seventeen young souls were lost, and you see

1005
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 3: Colton Klaus, who was a fantastic actor and his sister Jenna,

1006
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 3: who's a fantastic actor and played my daughter on The

1007
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 3: Wild's Beautiful.

1008
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 4: I love the pitch, such a.

1009
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 3: One of my faves.

1010
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 5: I got to cover it, so such a god was

1011
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 5: a rare.

1012
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 4: Person who got to really dig in.

1013
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 3: It was all so special. But everybody was, you know,

1014
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 3: everybody was ring somebody in their heart, and so that

1015
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:06,240
Speaker 3: was really important to me. And it was really cool

1016
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 3: because this the the folks on set, Andy and whoever

1017
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 3: we were working with, always allowed us the time to

1018
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 3: create ceremony before we you know, before we before action

1019
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 3: was called. So there was time and then and we

1020
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 3: let the lighting folks know and the sound folks know

1021
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 3: that even as they were setting up, like, hey, y'all,

1022
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 3: but there, we would say you were included in this

1023
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 3: as well, like you're not enter like anybody in this

1024
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 3: room is supposed to be here if there's somebody on

1025
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 3: your heart, you know. We talked about that in the

1026
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 3: when you see the sixteen hundreds, and I was playing

1027
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 3: my ancestor in that that when we were praying and singing,

1028
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 3: we were letting everybody know we're singing any is anybody lost,

1029
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 3: anyone what we're praying for you too. We're singing for

1030
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 3: you too. And so that was that that's the the

1031
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 3: best way that we could enter in to especially episode

1032
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 3: eight nine, in a way that losing somebody in such

1033
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 3: a violent way is not. It wasn't for entertainment, yeah,

1034
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 3: but it wasn't looking the other way either, because that

1035
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 3: kind of violence. And that's why I think what you're

1036
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 3: saying is kind of interesting. Is is it so violent

1037
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 3: but not one life that's lost doesn't have a deep,

1038
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 3: deep value to everyone involved.

1039
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:37,399
Speaker 5: Well, I was going to say, as well for you

1040
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 5: with the finale, like so much happens, and we know

1041
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 5: from what we've heard about the way the show is

1042
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 5: going to continue, as each sees each chapter will be

1043
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 5: a prequel to the previous season. So we do leave

1044
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 5: Rose here and we leave her in this in this

1045
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 5: heartbreaking moment of losing Taniel.

1046
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 4: So could you talk a little bit. That was if

1047
00:55:56,680 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 4: there's one thing I could change, I wish Daniel didn't die.

1048
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 5: I do get it, but I wish I was writing

1049
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 5: fanfic in my head. I was like Daniel's going to

1050
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 5: become the leader of this young Loser's club.

1051
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 4: Like I was like, Taniel, that's the next generation obviously

1052
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 4: we leave Rose there. Could you talk a little bit

1053
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 4: about where you.

1054
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 5: Are in that moment and also just like where roses

1055
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 5: in this moment once again of having to sacrifice so

1056
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 5: much to save a world that doesn't even understand the

1057
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 5: work that she is doing for them.

1058
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know that. I think that encapsulates it perfectly.

1059
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 3: Is that's how we feel, That's how anybody feels when

1060
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 3: a young person has taken in a violent way that

1061
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 3: didn't have to happen. We understand disease, we understand like

1062
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 3: a car accident, you know, things like that. We're talking

1063
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 3: about violence that did not have to happen. We're talking

1064
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 3: about people going missing that do not have to go missing,

1065
00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 3: and deaths that are happening that are untimely, and the

1066
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 3: kind of potential and future and joy and impact. You know,

1067
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 3: it really is a stolen, sacred thing, a precious thing

1068
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 3: that isn't just about that one life, but all of

1069
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 3: the lives that that individual would have impacted. And so

1070
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 3: I didn't none of us knew that that was written

1071
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 3: in kind of late, that Taniel was murdered and at

1072
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 3: the hands of the military, and so it hit very hard.

1073
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 3: I cried when I read it, I couldn't believe it.

1074
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 3: It felt like it was happening and I was reading it,

1075
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 3: and I immediately I think, I don't know if I

1076
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 3: called Joshua or texted or something, and I'm like, without

1077
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 3: telling him, because I'm like, you need your own time

1078
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 3: to sit with this, because it's you and it's Taniel

1079
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 3: that you're carrying. But then when we knew we were

1080
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 3: going into it, it was just really it was really challenging.

1081
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 3: I told Andy, you know, this isn't I'm not going

1082
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 3: to be acting like this is going to be really

1083
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 3: tough for Joshua and I and because this is something

1084
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 3: that our communities are going through on a daily basis.

1085
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 3: And so yeah, it was a really tough. It was

1086
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 3: day after day after day of being on the quote

1087
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 3: unquote ice and doing that finale scene. So and it

1088
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 3: was just it did it just did a number on

1089
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 3: my heart, my soul, you know, just to even see

1090
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 3: Joshua in the makeup, you know, with the blood and

1091
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 3: the case. It's just you know. And so I have

1092
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 3: ways I teach acting here at U See Riverside, and

1093
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 3: I have ways of protecting my own spirit and reminding myself.

1094
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Speaker 3: But at the same time, it's like, yeah, this isn't

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Speaker 3: real for Joshua, but it is real for another anti

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Speaker 3: out there. It is real for another mother, another grandmother,

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Speaker 3: another wife, another brother, another sister. I mean, it's it's

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Speaker 3: real for people out that are finding or or not

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Speaker 3: finding their loved ones. So yeah, it was again grounded

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Speaker 3: in a reality that is truly you know just I

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Speaker 3: mean heart destroying, heart crushing, and in doing that and

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Speaker 3: telling the story and showing our real pain, I think

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Speaker 3: it brings honor, It brings acknowledgment, It brings awareness, and

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Speaker 3: you know, hopefully some resolution and some change.

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Speaker 4: Well you and you mentioned, I mean, this is just

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Speaker 4: kind of jumping off what you said, but you'd mentioned

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Speaker 4: about wanting to put good medicine out there. The finale

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Speaker 4: is almost out there, the show is out there.

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Speaker 5: What is your kind of best intention or best hope

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Speaker 5: for what that good medicine brings them?

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Speaker 4: Where it kind of brings people to.

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Speaker 3: Heart, would be that it would help people look to

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Speaker 3: those in their inner circles and say, what would I

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Speaker 3: be willing to do and to start looking at the

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Speaker 3: things that really truly bring us fear and to start

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Speaker 3: to face those fears, to start to ask questions and

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Speaker 3: be aware, is this even true? Is it grounded in reality?

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Speaker 3: You know, if Pennywise was in my life, how would

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Speaker 3: he how would he get to me? And start to

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Speaker 3: build up a resilience and to build up an arsenal,

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Speaker 3: you know, a spiritual arsenal against these attacks, against our

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Speaker 3: own perception of reality and perception of our own fear,

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Speaker 3: so that we're not running so high on emotion, but

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Speaker 3: we can drop into, you know, our logical, practical selves

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Speaker 3: and speak back, right, speak truth back to these lives.

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Speaker 3: And if we don't have that energy to be able

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Speaker 3: to call up a friend or go over to a

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Speaker 3: friend's house or a loved one's house and go, I'm

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Speaker 3: feeling this thing right now, can you please speak truth

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Speaker 3: into my life because I don't have enough to fight

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Speaker 3: this life right now. And then that person can speak

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Speaker 3: that truth and maybe take them, you know, to get

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Speaker 3: something a coffee or do something.

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Speaker 5: I love to shake that because I think when you're

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Speaker 5: a kid, and I think this is part of why

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Speaker 5: we've been so blown away by the show, I'm very

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Speaker 5: I'm a pro kid. I don't I'm not going to

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Speaker 5: have kids, but I'm very pro kids I'm pro kids, right,

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Speaker 5: you know, like I love kids. I'm an auntie with

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Speaker 5: many nephews and nieces, but like, this is a show

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Speaker 5: that like understands the power of when you're a kid

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Speaker 5: and how you can rely on those friendships and you

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Speaker 5: can make these bonds that are so much stronger than

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Speaker 5: you'll ever encouraged to make as an adult.

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Speaker 3: And that's a great way to put it, encourage kind.

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Speaker 5: Of seeing it through that lens, and I love that

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Speaker 5: that would be your thing is like make community.

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Speaker 4: Everyone who listens to this podcast knows I'm very annoying

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Speaker 4: about that. I'm always talking about mutual aid and community.

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Speaker 3: And create your own and sat together exactly.

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Speaker 5: Okay, and Kimberly, I want to give you because you've

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Speaker 5: done such a wonderful job just advocating and being so

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Speaker 5: vuneraillable about it. What are some good resources if people

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Speaker 5: want to support families who've been impacted by their loved

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Speaker 5: ones going missing, Indigenous families and the kind of ongoing space.

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Speaker 5: And also if you don't have an answer right now,

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Speaker 5: we can you can send it to me and I'll

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Speaker 5: put it in the show notes.

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Speaker 3: Great, yes, because right at the top of my head

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Speaker 3: I can't even think.

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Speaker 5: Send us and we'll put them all in the show notes.

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Speaker 3: Great, people can click both in Canada and the US.

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Speaker 3: Are some really wonderful and to follow and yeah focus great.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, don't worry, we'll we'll cut the ending off, but

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Speaker 5: we'll make sure that we put them in the actual

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Speaker 5: show notes so people can click on them.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: This was safe. It was great.

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Speaker 2: On the next episode of xtra Vision, we're diving into

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Speaker 2: the first episode of Fallout season two and that's it

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Speaker 2: for this episode.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 2: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Conteps.

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Speaker 4: Young and Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcast.

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Speaker 5: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is Abu Zafar.

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Speaker 5: Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Fay Wack.

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Speaker 2: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 2: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 5: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman, and

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Speaker 5: Heidi our discord moderator.