WEBVTT - For Goodness Sakes! That's A Load Of Crap.

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Shoe, Ketty.

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<v Speaker 2>Armstrong and Jetty and he Armstrong and Yetty.

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<v Speaker 3>Elon Musk, who has been at President Trump's side seen

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<v Speaker 3>in the West Wing, now speaking out against Trump's plan

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<v Speaker 3>Trump announcing a five hundred billion dollar artificial intelligence project,

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<v Speaker 3>Musk now saying the money isn't there. The White House

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<v Speaker 3>now saying listen to Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>Not Musk. Oh, does the media love the idea of

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps being able to drive a wedge between Trump and

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<v Speaker 2>Musk because it's so scary. Oh, I saw a headline

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<v Speaker 2>about that today, something about the oligarchy or whatever the hell.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, for goodness, says halload of crap, And honestly, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's funny. I was listening to another podcast. Turns out

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<v Speaker 1>there is another one. I've had it shut down by

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<v Speaker 1>Trump because ours should be the only one. But and

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<v Speaker 1>the question they were asking panel guys was, how long

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<v Speaker 1>do you think before there's a rift between Trump and Elon?

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<v Speaker 1>Two Alpha dogs? Is too many in the same room?

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<v Speaker 1>And they're like, oh, not for a long time, blah

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah. I don't know I'm not as optimistic. I

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<v Speaker 1>just wonder how long it can last.

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<v Speaker 2>Axiosi's headline today, America doesn't have a king, but we're

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<v Speaker 2>dancing close to king like power, and they get into

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<v Speaker 2>Trump and Elon running the world together.

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<v Speaker 1>Dancing close to King like Power is the title of

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<v Speaker 1>my new electronica album, Altho Way coming out Friday.

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<v Speaker 4>That's really exciting. It drops Friday, It drops Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>What was I gonna say, Elon? Well, Alpha, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even know what that term means anymore. But

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<v Speaker 2>Elon seems to let things roll off him because he can.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, say whatever you want. The world's rich, just

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<v Speaker 2>man by like double.

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<v Speaker 4>Exactly. How you hurt me with your scathing words? Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So there are a couple of really interesting Elon related conflicts.

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<v Speaker 4>So the fact that he poo pooed the big.

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<v Speaker 1>Announcement by Open Ai and soft Bank in Oracle like

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<v Speaker 1>an hour after Trump was touting it as a wonderful,

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful thing. That's not cool in any organization. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's part of his autism spectrum thing. He just

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't. He doesn't because I deal with this on

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<v Speaker 1>a regular basis. He doesn't get regular communication flow. He

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't get the the what is the right term both

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<v Speaker 1>physical and verbal signals that most people understand and get.

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<v Speaker 1>People on the spectrum oftentimes don't understand. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>he's one of those people. Yeah, yeah, there's some truth

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<v Speaker 1>to that. I think how much is impossible to know

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<v Speaker 1>from a distance. But I also think there is a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of an element of we're talking business and finance

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<v Speaker 1>and technology. With all due respect, mister hotel and golf

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<v Speaker 1>course builder, I'm the best in the world at this.

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<v Speaker 1>So you don't tell me what to say and what

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<v Speaker 1>not to say about business and technology. Well, yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>gotta believe there's some element of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, then he shouldn't have that job because you serve

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<v Speaker 2>at the pleasure of the president, and the president's of

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<v Speaker 2>the boss. Marco Ruby is not going to agree with

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<v Speaker 2>all of Trump's foreign policy decisions. But you either resign

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<v Speaker 2>or you carry out the boss's desires.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, You've explained exactly why I believe what I believe

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<v Speaker 1>that it's going to crack up.

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<v Speaker 2>So you don't think he's going to go along with

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<v Speaker 2>the boss the way Marco Rubio probably is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't think he can I don't. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think it's part of his being.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't. It would be too weird and uncomfortable for him.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, I hope they do wonderful work while they're

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<v Speaker 1>going at it, and I want to talk about that for.

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<v Speaker 2>The next forty eight hours, two forty years.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, it's it's it's fire, it's a oil in water,

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<v Speaker 1>though not oil and water.

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<v Speaker 4>It's tea and whatever. The end is a better way

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<v Speaker 4>to go.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but something explosive anyway, uh dur oh. So getting

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<v Speaker 1>back to Elon Musk versus Sam Altman the catfight, this

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<v Speaker 1>is where it gets really because Elon Musk said of

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<v Speaker 1>the Giant Data Center announcement, they don't have the money.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>He was saying, they have a fraction of the money.

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<v Speaker 1>They're talking about. This is this They're they're way over

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<v Speaker 1>selling this thing. Again, like an hour and a half

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<v Speaker 1>after the President had just touted it, Trump said, this

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<v Speaker 1>will include the construction of colossal data center's massive structures.

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<v Speaker 1>These buildings, big beautiful buildings are going to employ a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people.

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<v Speaker 4>And then Elon says, well, he said essentially what I said.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't have a fraction of the money they're gonna need,

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<v Speaker 1>so his comments set off a war of words on

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<v Speaker 1>his own media platform. X Altman initially sounded a conciliatory note,

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<v Speaker 1>saying I genuinely respect your accomplishments and think you are

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<v Speaker 1>the most inspiring entrepreneur of our time, and then he

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<v Speaker 1>later posted that Musk's comments about SoftBank's funding were wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>the first data centers already underway and quote, I realized

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<v Speaker 1>what is great for the country isn't always what's optimal

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<v Speaker 1>for your companies. But in your new role, I hope

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<v Speaker 1>you'll mostly put America first.

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<v Speaker 2>WHOA. Musk fired back with a string of posts that

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<v Speaker 2>was all part of the same post or was that

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<v Speaker 2>different posts? That was a little later, Okay, so okay,

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<v Speaker 2>because I was going to say you can't start with

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<v Speaker 2>the handy and then immediately jump to that.

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<v Speaker 4>But they're different.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, Oh anyway, so that was later. Musk fired

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<v Speaker 1>back with a string of posts. Wednesday, he repeated criticisms

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<v Speaker 1>vaultman open Ai, saying it's fake to one user's tweet

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<v Speaker 1>citing the Stargate announcement. The Stargate announcement tweet elon Musk

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<v Speaker 1>said it's fake. This is two days or a day

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<v Speaker 1>after the President touted it as being wonderful.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm completely in your camp. Now it's gonna crack up.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no another tweet saying Sam is a swindler. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's too bad. I'm not happy about this. I

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<v Speaker 2>usually am happy about this sort of thing because I

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<v Speaker 2>like I like rich, powerful, famous people at each other.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't like this one. I'd rather these people

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<v Speaker 2>could work together.

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<v Speaker 1>Musk also retweeted a post showing a photo of what

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<v Speaker 1>appeared to be a drug pipe and a baggy of

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<v Speaker 1>powder under the caption leaked image of the research tool

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<v Speaker 1>open AI used to come up with their five hundred

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollar number for stargate.

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<v Speaker 2>That's funny, Yes, that's pretty fund The level of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a coarse term, but the level of no fs

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<v Speaker 2>to give you have when you're the world rich, just

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<v Speaker 2>mad is something nobody's ever seen. Mefore you just cash

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<v Speaker 2>out your thoughts about everything on a regular basis.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, clearly, clearly true. So a little more technology, government

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<v Speaker 1>and cat fighting that I found interesting. Oh that's right,

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<v Speaker 1>then I've got like the important scientific thing. Anyway, Leaks

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<v Speaker 1>are beginning to leak about the excuse me the conflict

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<v Speaker 1>between Elon Musk and Vivey Kramaswami in Doge, the cover

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<v Speaker 1>story being Hey, I'm going to run for governor of

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio is going to take my time, And I guess

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<v Speaker 1>Elon was more about cutting spending viveke who was more

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<v Speaker 1>about cutting regulations. Honestly, it's tough to pick a favorite there.

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<v Speaker 1>They're both huge priorities. So you got peanut butter in

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<v Speaker 1>my chocolate? Why can't why can't they fit together?

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<v Speaker 4>Exactly?

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<v Speaker 1>But some of the leaks are saying, though the claim

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<v Speaker 1>is there is no hard feelings, the leaks are saying that, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>every meeting you have, if they comes in and he

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<v Speaker 1>weighs in with strong opinions on everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, and the guy's just obnoxious. He doesn't seem like

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wait, yeah, I know that that rapid fire of

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<v Speaker 1>hyper confident manner of speaking that he has. Yeah, look,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a he's a very very bright guy and has

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<v Speaker 1>been very successful.

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<v Speaker 4>He's very rich. He's worth listening to. But man, he's

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<v Speaker 4>hard to take.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's interesting. I've only known a handful of

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<v Speaker 2>people like this in my life that I've ever like

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<v Speaker 2>actually got to be in meetings with or whatever. But

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<v Speaker 2>if you ever have, you know, I mean they dominate

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<v Speaker 2>the room, and I mean they they feel like they should,

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<v Speaker 2>they feel like they need to and usually nobody ever

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<v Speaker 2>says anything to them. I've never been in a room

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<v Speaker 2>where there's two of them. I don't know what that

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<v Speaker 2>would be like. I've been in plenty of rooms where

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<v Speaker 2>there's one of them and everybody has to sit there

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<v Speaker 2>and listen to them go on, and they say some

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that's clearly bs and they tell you boring stories,

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<v Speaker 2>but everybody just nods and laughs because they're the big dog.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've been in luck, but I've never been in

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<v Speaker 2>a room where there's two of those people. And I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what that would look like. And I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>Elon and Viveaik was one of those situations, and.

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<v Speaker 1>That was one of the other leaks that it was

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<v Speaker 1>really starting to annoy Elon.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, especially if you've been that way your whole life,

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<v Speaker 2>every meeting you're in, little by little over your life,

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<v Speaker 2>you got used to everybody sits there and listens to

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<v Speaker 2>you and is amazed by your stories and laughs at

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<v Speaker 2>your jokes, and then all of a sudden, you're in

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<v Speaker 2>a room where somebody's like, now, my stories and jokes

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<v Speaker 2>are good. Your suck. I mean, that's got to be

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<v Speaker 2>quite shocking to those people.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I was chatting with a friend who was a CEO

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<v Speaker 1>of a company and retired. He had a very successful

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<v Speaker 1>business career, and I was talking about a function we're

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<v Speaker 1>at where somebody was very long winded, very I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>like everybody was just praying to get on with it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I already that it was not a funeral. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm being vague because these are all very nice people,

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<v Speaker 1>but the person had a career where people had to

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<v Speaker 1>listen to them. And I was saying, there's an enormous

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<v Speaker 1>contrast between somebody who for an entire career had people

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<v Speaker 1>who had to listen to them and somebody like me,

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<v Speaker 1>who if I'm boring or whatever, my career goes away instantly,

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<v Speaker 1>people turn you off. And exactly, and my friend said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the one thing I miss about being a CEO.

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<v Speaker 4>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>Every joke I told was hilarious, Every speech I made

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<v Speaker 1>was brilliant. Everything I said was riveting, funny.

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<v Speaker 4>How that ends?

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<v Speaker 1>And uh yeah, yeah, that's a danger you've got to

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<v Speaker 1>have of a wife or a buddy or a loyal

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<v Speaker 1>assistant who's going to call you on yours. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's like the best thing you can have if you're

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<v Speaker 1>in a position of power.

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<v Speaker 4>Isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Absolutely, I don't know if that happens very often.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a rare relationship. Yeah, got to be handled carefully anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing I was going to get to, but I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to rush through it. Maybe we can do

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<v Speaker 1>it next or a little later on in the hour.

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<v Speaker 1>Is an absolutely terrific research scientist who has been studying

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<v Speaker 1>various topics AI related and publishing really interesting takes on them.

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<v Speaker 1>Did a big study of the bias, the political bias

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<v Speaker 1>in AI systems that we've all kind of heard about

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<v Speaker 1>and seen examples of. The takeaway is there's just no

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<v Speaker 1>denying it at this point. Some of the particulars are

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<v Speaker 1>really interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>The alpha, it's beyond alpha. The Vik versus Elon thing

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<v Speaker 2>remind me. And this is Katie, I want you to

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<v Speaker 2>be around for this next segment. This story, this is

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<v Speaker 2>probably a misogynist story of a female version of this

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<v Speaker 2>that I witnessed one time.

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<v Speaker 4>He's a pig, Katie, none of us like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Is pretty interesting, so stick around for that coming up.

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<v Speaker 5>Speaking of the inauguration, Mark Zuckerberg sat next to Lauren

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<v Speaker 5>Sanchez and was caught, Yeah, it was caught laring at

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<v Speaker 5>her ample Bosom, prompting a nearby and very horny Bill

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<v Speaker 5>Clinton to say.

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<v Speaker 4>What an amerateur.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know about the punchline. That was an interesting

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<v Speaker 2>thing that happened. Of course, she was wearing a well,

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<v Speaker 2>as Katie keeps pointing out, she was wearing underwear. She

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<v Speaker 2>was letting Lingerie under her.

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<v Speaker 4>Blame that Harlote Madonna.

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<v Speaker 2>So getting to this story and producing underwear is outerwear.

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<v Speaker 4>It's disgusting.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a little uncomfortable with this story because we were

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<v Speaker 2>just talking about how Elon and Effect maybe couldn't get along.

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<v Speaker 2>Because when do two people to two people, I won't say, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>two people that are that successful ever end up in

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<v Speaker 2>the same room as each other. Wait a second, people

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<v Speaker 2>always look at me all the time in a room.

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<v Speaker 2>Why are people looking at you? You know, neither one

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<v Speaker 2>of them. I'd probably run into that very often and

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<v Speaker 2>just and it's also like I was doing this the

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<v Speaker 2>other day walking down the street. I was walking watching

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of other dogs. Somebody's walking with their dog

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<v Speaker 2>and as many as other dog and just the immediate

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<v Speaker 2>you know, some dogs pass no problem, some dogs just

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<v Speaker 2>they just they the energy. I don't know what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody knows what it is. It's interesting, is the alpha,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever it is. I experiences this one time with women.

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<v Speaker 2>And I hate the fact that this is about looks

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<v Speaker 2>and not about like power and intelligence, because it makes

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<v Speaker 2>it seem like I think it only can be about looks,

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<v Speaker 2>but in this case, it was about looks. So I

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<v Speaker 2>worked at a radio station and the rees this is

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<v Speaker 2>many years ago, Gladys. I worked at a radio station. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>Gladys is Gladys Gladdice as a getting ice surgery today, right,

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<v Speaker 2>so she can't be here. I worked at a radio

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<v Speaker 2>station and the receptionist was a hoty and she was

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<v Speaker 2>like the only hotty in the building. It's very small

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<v Speaker 2>radio station, and she had, you know, so that was

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<v Speaker 2>her turf and she was the flirted with people everybody

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<v Speaker 2>paid attention to, where everybody laughed at her jokes the way,

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<v Speaker 2>you you know, because she went the hotti. Well, we

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<v Speaker 2>got an intern for a while who was younger and

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<v Speaker 2>hotter or as hot and uh and immediately, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>it was like you could see sparks fly off these

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<v Speaker 2>two people. It was like the dogs walking down the

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<v Speaker 2>streets are just immediately. It was observable to me as

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<v Speaker 2>the program director of that radio station, and it played

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<v Speaker 2>out for months.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh man, immediate hostility.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh, just yeah, just immediate. Wait a second, just like

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<v Speaker 2>I was saying with Elon and Vivek, why is everybody

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<v Speaker 2>looking at her? Everybody always looks at me? And I

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<v Speaker 2>think that other girl was having a little of why

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<v Speaker 2>is anybody looking her? People always look at me? And

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<v Speaker 2>just they had an experience that before. Does does that

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<v Speaker 2>ring a bill Katie? Or am I just a misogynist?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Well both different?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah wait a minute, yeah false choice.

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<v Speaker 6>Uh, that sounds like a battle of the egos thing there.

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<v Speaker 4>Sure, but it's god.

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<v Speaker 2>If you are the one everybody looks at and then

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden people are looking at someone else,

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<v Speaker 2>it's got a register in some level of your brain.

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<v Speaker 6>I would think, Yeah, I could see how that would

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<v Speaker 6>sting a little.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like the has been hot chick. Well, it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>all status.

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<v Speaker 1>However, you get your status within the the organization or

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<v Speaker 1>the society, the mini society you're in. If you're the

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<v Speaker 1>left handed pitcher on the Yankees and they bring in,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Doug Kershar or whatever, Clayton Kershaw or or whomever,

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<v Speaker 1>some other greater left handed pitcher, that that hurts, that

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<v Speaker 1>burns just in any you.

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<v Speaker 4>Know, society.

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<v Speaker 2>I think doubt Elon was bothered much, but I can

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<v Speaker 2>see how a vague hadn't run into that situation in

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<v Speaker 2>quite some time where somebody else was getting all the

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<v Speaker 2>attention and then people were listening to him the other

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<v Speaker 2>guy more than him.

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<v Speaker 6>Elon is so dense, and then just going back to

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<v Speaker 6>how vi Vic was during like the debates and what

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<v Speaker 6>notot how.

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<v Speaker 2>Yea sufferable He's hard to take.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, yeah, incredibly bright guy, but so smug.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Elon has the option always if you're annoying me, gets

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<v Speaker 2>out his check book. What's your company worth? Okay, forty

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<v Speaker 2>billion dollars and that's my company? Now get out of here.

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<v Speaker 4>I will open you.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to talk to you anymore. Yeah. God,

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<v Speaker 2>the sparks flying off of these two women, it was

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<v Speaker 2>just amazing. Eh. You two work it out, bite each

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<v Speaker 2>other or urinate on it, smell it, do whatever it

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<v Speaker 2>is you got to do, work out some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>pecking order it.

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<v Speaker 1>As a non misogynist, I suggest we sell this the

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<v Speaker 1>old fashioned way in a tub full of jelate.

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<v Speaker 7>No orry.

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<v Speaker 2>The receptionist was my girlfriend, so I had to keep

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<v Speaker 2>my mouth shut completely about the whole thing. But it

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<v Speaker 2>was just very very tense, very tense around there for

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<v Speaker 2>a while.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh boy, we got a.

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<v Speaker 2>New fire in the LA area. The weather is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be really bad today again, and we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to a favorite meteorologist of us of ours is

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<v Speaker 2>going to tell us about the conditions and all that

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<v Speaker 2>sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 8>New fire breaking out in Los Angeles along the four

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<v Speaker 8>to five freeway. You're the Getty Center Museum, prompting evacuation

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<v Speaker 8>warnings and parts of bel air flames at evers shooting

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<v Speaker 8>up the hillside. That is, more than four thousand firefighters

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<v Speaker 8>raced to battle the quick moving hues fire just north

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<v Speaker 8>of Los.

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<v Speaker 2>Angeles, how near the Getty Museum. That would be a

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<v Speaker 2>tragedy obviously. And I just I saw some of the

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<v Speaker 2>footage last night watching the news and earn awful lot

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<v Speaker 2>of neighborhoods with a lot of houses nearby.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, multiple new fires, not that shocking as the dry

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<v Speaker 1>conditions continue and the winds are whipping. We're joined by

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<v Speaker 1>Rick dickert Ams, certified broadcast meteorologists, long time presence in

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<v Speaker 1>Southern California news and weather.

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<v Speaker 4>Rick, it's a pleasure to have you back again. How

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<v Speaker 4>are you.

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<v Speaker 7>Thank you, Jack and Joe again we are We're looking

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<v Speaker 7>at a really dangerous twenty four hours. We need to

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<v Speaker 7>get through these twenty four hours with more high winds, tinder,

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<v Speaker 7>dry vegetation, very low community values, the red flag warnings continue.

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<v Speaker 7>You mentioned the two new fires, thankfully, the fire that

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<v Speaker 7>broke out along the four to five near the Getty

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<v Speaker 7>Center that has pretty much been contained. No structures were

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<v Speaker 7>damaged or burned that had a handle on that. The

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<v Speaker 7>huge fire, a much larger fire north of that location

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<v Speaker 7>in northern La County in the Angelus National Forest that too,

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<v Speaker 7>having burned over thousand acres, thankfully, has not burned a

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<v Speaker 7>structure yet. That is burning more up in the forest

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<v Speaker 7>land away from any neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 2>The number of agres how many acres did you say?

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<v Speaker 7>It was over ten thousand with a huge fire. The

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<v Speaker 7>suppult of the fire along the FOURAL five was relatively

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<v Speaker 7>small compared Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw the stat where it was five thousand eight

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<v Speaker 2>in like an hour or two something like that. That's

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<v Speaker 2>just stunning, and it's hard to imagine. Is that mostly

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<v Speaker 2>the wind that causes it to burn so fast?

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<v Speaker 7>Absolutely, there's a lot of there's a lot of things

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<v Speaker 7>that contribute to what we've seen here in southern California

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<v Speaker 7>over the last month. The weather doesn't cause the fire.

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<v Speaker 7>Ninety five percent of fires, whether they are structure fires

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<v Speaker 7>or wildland fires, are produced by man, some sort of ignition,

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<v Speaker 7>anthropologically produced, whether it be infrastructure wires are whether it

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<v Speaker 7>be arson, whether it be somebody working on a field

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<v Speaker 7>and some little spark ignites the brush. That's how these

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<v Speaker 7>fires start. The wind and the weather creates the scenario,

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<v Speaker 7>those red flag conditions for those ignitions to spread. That's

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<v Speaker 7>why we issue these red flag warnings. The National Weather

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<v Speaker 7>Service does, and we are still under a red flag

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<v Speaker 7>warning across much of southern California until ten am tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 7>And what that means any existing fire or new fire

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<v Speaker 7>will spread rapidly because of the weather conditions.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you see any good news weatherwise in the yard medium.

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<v Speaker 7>Turna, so again we just need to get through twenty

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<v Speaker 7>four hours or so, and then after that there is

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<v Speaker 7>going to be a dramatic shift. It's incredible when you

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<v Speaker 7>look at Southern California weather and how bipolar it can be,

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<v Speaker 7>and that we're going to shift into an onshore flow

0:20:20.560 --> 0:20:24.240
<v Speaker 7>flow off the Pacific. The humidity values will rise, the

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<v Speaker 7>temperature will drop, and by Saturday afternoon or evening, we're

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<v Speaker 7>looking at rain, good rain, soaking rain, not so much

0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:34.280
<v Speaker 7>that we're concerned yet about any of the burn scar

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<v Speaker 7>areas where we could see mud walking debrif flows, but

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<v Speaker 7>enough to soak up all this tinder dry vegetation. We

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<v Speaker 7>haven't had significant rainfall since last spring, and that's what

0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:48.520
<v Speaker 7>created this perfect storm, these firestorms, and that we had

0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:53.239
<v Speaker 7>two years of abundant rainfall, mountain snow that allowed all

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<v Speaker 7>of that brush, that chapparral, all of the vegetation that's

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<v Speaker 7>indigenous to southern California to completely explode on the hillside.

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<v Speaker 7>Then that was followed by months and months of little

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<v Speaker 7>or no rain, and then the off conditions, the low

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<v Speaker 7>relative humidities, the winds going from the land towards the sea,

0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:14.480
<v Speaker 7>you get the ignition. Once that ignition happens, it takes off.

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<v Speaker 7>And that's what we saw, unfortunately tragically with the Palisades

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<v Speaker 7>fire near Malibu and above the citing area, above the

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<v Speaker 7>Rose Bowl, the iconic Rose Bull. So now we're dealing

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<v Speaker 7>with a couple of incidents out there that none of

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<v Speaker 7>which are nearly comparable to those two.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know if you saw Dave Chappelle on

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<v Speaker 2>Saturday Night Live the other night, but he said the

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<v Speaker 2>only conclusion you can draw is God hates these people.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, because that's a lot of things happening there. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>if it rains like it's supposed to rain, would that

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<v Speaker 2>mean we're just kind of done with at least this

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<v Speaker 2>round of disastrous fires.

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<v Speaker 7>For well, yes, because I can't tell you in two

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<v Speaker 7>weeks from now that you know, we're going to see

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<v Speaker 7>another round of sure winds that will dry everything out

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<v Speaker 7>a gag and we could see more red flag conditions,

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<v Speaker 7>but it'll at least it's going to cleanse the city

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<v Speaker 7>of all the in the soot, good ways and bad ways,

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<v Speaker 7>because all that's going to run off into the ocean

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<v Speaker 7>and that's going to create more issues. But The bottom

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<v Speaker 7>line is is going to create an environment that is

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<v Speaker 7>less suitable for what we've seen over the last several weeks.

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<v Speaker 7>So it will rain here in southern California's starting sometime

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<v Speaker 7>on Saturday. The timing is a little off, but we

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<v Speaker 7>just need to get through twenty four hours after tomorrow

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<v Speaker 7>morning into the interning. That's when we're going to shift

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<v Speaker 7>the flow from the onshore direction off the Pacific, higher humidity,

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<v Speaker 7>the winds will be gone, the red flag warnings will end,

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<v Speaker 7>the high wind warnings that or an effect will end

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<v Speaker 7>as well, and hopefully we can start to make that

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<v Speaker 7>shift and we'll have one hundred containment of all of

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<v Speaker 7>these incidents.

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<v Speaker 4>Rick Tickert, you're the best, Rick. We sure appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 4>Well done.

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<v Speaker 7>Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>And Trump's flying out on Friday bringing the rain with him.

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<v Speaker 2>Since I mentioned it, here's a little billy.

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<v Speaker 1>Here, global warming across the southeast of the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>record cold maybe said maybe somewhere in between, mister president.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's a little Dave Chappelle talking about the fires from

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<v Speaker 2>Saturday Night Live clip one.

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<v Speaker 9>The other day on the news, they said these fires

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<v Speaker 9>were the most expensive tragedy that ever have natural disaster.

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<v Speaker 9>It's the most expensive natural disaster. It's never happened in

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<v Speaker 9>the United States history.

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<v Speaker 4>And you want to know why.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that is.

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<v Speaker 4>Because people in LA have nice stuff.

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<v Speaker 9>I could burn forty thousand acres in Mississippi for like

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<v Speaker 9>sixty seven hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, And here's a little more shippelle.

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<v Speaker 4>And then I go on the internet and I.

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<v Speaker 9>Watched these fire videos and I read the comments sections,

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<v Speaker 9>and everyone's like, yeah, it serves these celebrities, right.

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<v Speaker 4>I hope the house is burned down. You see that.

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<v Speaker 4>That right there.

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<v Speaker 9>That's why I hate poor people, because they can't see

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<v Speaker 9>past their own pain.

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<v Speaker 4>That is unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 2>He started with the whole thing. A lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>would say, it's too soon to make jokes about the fires,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm going to, Uh, here's just a little more ushabelle.

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<v Speaker 9>They all have these conspiracy theories what started these fires?

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<v Speaker 9>Now they say it's arsonists. I've heard this theory, and

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<v Speaker 9>I'm sure there were some arsonists, But there were a

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<v Speaker 9>lot of elements that came together to make this fire.

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<v Speaker 9>The catastrophe that was the winds were one hundred miles

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<v Speaker 9>an hour. LA was as dry as the bone and

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<v Speaker 9>the levees, and it was just too many factors. If

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<v Speaker 9>you were a rational thinking person, you have to at

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<v Speaker 9>least consider the possibility that God hates these people.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go.

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<v Speaker 4>Again, too much? How many times have I said that.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're a rational thinking person, you have to at

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<v Speaker 2>least consider the possibility that God hates these people. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>so the rain's gonna come and then out of the woods.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't use out of the woods as an EXPRESSI when

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<v Speaker 2>the woods are burning down, can you.

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<v Speaker 4>Well they're gone?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the ash.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but that is good news.

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<v Speaker 2>And coming up what he's gonna make I was gonna

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<v Speaker 2>say Trump coming out on Friday, and he was making

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<v Speaker 2>the argument last night on Hannity that this draws attention

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<v Speaker 2>to FEMA, which has been ignoring North Carolina, and maybe

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<v Speaker 2>we can, you know, figure out the funding for FEMA

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<v Speaker 2>and everything like that, so they can help out areas

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<v Speaker 2>of the country that people don't care about as much

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<v Speaker 2>because there aren't movie stars there. Remember the North Carolina story,

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<v Speaker 2>And this was true. This turned out to be true.

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<v Speaker 2>They were not helping people who had Trump signs in

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<v Speaker 2>their yards. That's insane. I mean, that is a diseased organization.

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<v Speaker 2>You should shut the doors on whatever chapter that allowed

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<v Speaker 2>that to happen. That's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Well they fired the gall in charge. That was progress

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<v Speaker 1>Ah coming up. Ai is a liberal. Why, it's pretty

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<v Speaker 1>easy to understand and absolutely undeniable.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, I want to hear that.

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<v Speaker 6>All I know.

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<v Speaker 10>I say, you know what, the absolute worst thing for

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<v Speaker 10>the environment is wildfires. A twenty two study found that

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<v Speaker 10>the smoke from just the two in twenty twenty wiped

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<v Speaker 10>out eighteen years of carbon reduction in the state, which

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<v Speaker 10>means we suffered the pain of driving those early model

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<v Speaker 10>priuses for nothing. California is the place that spends money

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<v Speaker 10>and gets nothing, which is why you may have noticed

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<v Speaker 10>when the fires broke out, no one escaped by high

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<v Speaker 10>speed rail.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh so nice. Thank god Bill Maher re upped. He's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna do that job, he said, until they drag him

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<v Speaker 2>off the set, because he's the only high profile lib

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<v Speaker 2>who gets any attention for this sort of stuff. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe progressives still come to his show to

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<v Speaker 2>get lectured about how wrong they are about things. But

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<v Speaker 2>how about that eighteen years of minor gains. That's one

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<v Speaker 2>of the reasons it was so easy to wipe out

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<v Speaker 2>there are minor games and fighting climate change wiped out

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<v Speaker 2>by the wildfires.

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<v Speaker 1>You might want to grab our one of today's show

0:27:07.160 --> 0:27:09.840
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0:27:09.880 --> 0:27:12.439
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0:27:12.480 --> 0:27:15.440
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<v Speaker 1>about a giant study and the science involved with the

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<v Speaker 1>incredible expense of these tiny incremental gains. Humanity is quote

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<v Speaker 1>unquote making against climate change when our ability to mitigate

0:27:29.480 --> 0:27:33.280
<v Speaker 1>the effects of this stuff is huge it always has

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<v Speaker 1>been throughout human history. It's we're spending a horrific amount

0:27:37.480 --> 0:27:41.159
<v Speaker 1>of money on practically nothing when we could just mitigate

0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:43.840
<v Speaker 1>the problems much more easily and everybody wins.

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<v Speaker 4>Anyway, that's our one of the shows.

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<v Speaker 1>So speaking of science, unless you had more on that topic,

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<v Speaker 1>signor all right, I thought this was great. David Rosato,

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<v Speaker 1>who's a research scientist. He's a computer guy. He's studies

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<v Speaker 1>the institutional dynamics. AI buys all sorts of stuff, but

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<v Speaker 1>he is posing question do AI systems like Chat, GPT

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<v Speaker 1>or Google Gemini, for instance, lean left or right?

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<v Speaker 4>He says past studies often used.

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<v Speaker 1>Political quizzes to find out and We've seen anecdotal evidence

0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:17.320
<v Speaker 1>on Twitter or whatever. Sure, he says, but those don't

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<v Speaker 1>quite reflect real world user interactions with AI. In a

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<v Speaker 1>new analysis, I take a different approach. I use four

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<v Speaker 1>methods to assess political bias in AI generated text, comparing

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<v Speaker 1>AI text with language from Democrat and Republican legislators, ideological

0:28:32.440 --> 0:28:36.879
<v Speaker 1>viewpoints in AI generated policy recommendations, sentiment in AI texts

0:28:36.960 --> 0:28:41.080
<v Speaker 1>toward political figures and political quizzes, and.

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<v Speaker 4>Large language models.

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<v Speaker 1>MS are more likely to use terms that are marketly

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<v Speaker 1>used by US Democratic Congress members, much more likely than

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<v Speaker 1>those marketly used by their Republican counterparts. You see a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of criminal justice, public service, economic development, COVID pandemic,

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of thing less about job, economic growth, job creation,

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<v Speaker 1>border security.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, what you're done? But I think I can explain

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<v Speaker 2>that without it being programmed biash.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah exactly, and then and I have a feeling you're

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<v Speaker 1>where we're going. But when requested to provide policy recommendations

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<v Speaker 1>recommendations for the US on various topics, llms often generate

0:29:21.280 --> 0:29:24.080
<v Speaker 1>proposals that lean far left. And we'll post now that

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<v Speaker 1>link to this at Armstrong and Giddy dot com. He's

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<v Speaker 1>got all sorts of really interesting computer generated graphs and

0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:34.600
<v Speaker 1>stuff that's be incredibly cumbersome to describe on the radio

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<v Speaker 1>Slash podcast. But lllms tend to use more positive language

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<v Speaker 1>when referring to left leaning public figures compared to the

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<v Speaker 1>right leaning counterparts. The super interesting chart of that political

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<v Speaker 1>orientation tests tend to diagnose conversational LLM answers to questions

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<v Speaker 1>with political connotations as manifesting left leaning political preferences. You

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<v Speaker 1>ever take one of those tests, what kind of what

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<v Speaker 1>are your politics? Are you an independent, conservative, fiscal something

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<v Speaker 1>or other? Well, they plot that out on a AI

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<v Speaker 1>conversations as well, and they lean left their Democrats, And

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<v Speaker 1>then he ranked twenty of them from least politically biased

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<v Speaker 1>to most. Interestingly, the least politically biased LLM was Google

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<v Speaker 1>Gemma one point one two b IT, and the two

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<v Speaker 1>most biased were also Google products various iterations.

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<v Speaker 2>I see. I don't believe they're being programmed to be liberal.

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't believe that. I think there's too much

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<v Speaker 2>money at stake, and I just don't think that's their intention.

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<v Speaker 2>And I also think it's more interesting if these things

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<v Speaker 2>end up being liberal when they weren't programmed that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Then the answer of well, they're program that way on

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<v Speaker 2>purpose because they're liberals, I think it's more disturbing and

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<v Speaker 2>something to be worried about. If these things tend to

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<v Speaker 2>go that direction on their own, that's what I find

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<v Speaker 2>that's scarier. Yeah, the SOAMJ. Puchai or whatever his name

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<v Speaker 2>is programming it that way on purpose.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I disagree that that's not happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Whether it's you know, eighty twenty, just the nature of

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<v Speaker 1>the thing versus the people who are working on it,

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<v Speaker 1>or ninety ten or fifty to fifty, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, Rosato points out, the bias is not necessarily intentional.

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<v Speaker 1>Large language models are pre trained on vast amounts of

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<v Speaker 1>Internet content, including news articles.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, anybody like to pipe in here?

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<v Speaker 2>And this is why I wanted to put in the

0:31:37.400 --> 0:31:41.120
<v Speaker 2>part that you're always complaining about the right adopts the

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<v Speaker 2>left's language. So even if the LM is looking at

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<v Speaker 2>Fox and AM talk radio, those people, for whatever reason

0:31:50.160 --> 0:31:53.520
<v Speaker 2>use terms like pro choice instead of pro abortion, or

0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:56.280
<v Speaker 2>gender affirming care instead of sex change, or all kinds

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<v Speaker 2>of different examples. An undocumented immigrant instead of illegal immigrant.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, why people migrant now for some reason, Jack.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, migrant. I don't know why people on the right

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<v Speaker 2>adopt the left's language. But I mean, if the LM

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<v Speaker 2>is going to go out there looking for the language,

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<v Speaker 2>it's all the left's language.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, first of all, to answer your tangent, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's because they want to be accepted by the cool people,

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<v Speaker 1>and it disgusts me. But anyway, so back to disgusting. Jeez,

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<v Speaker 1>have some courage, I know, yeah, please, these are important questions. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>risk being slightly less popular at pickup time at your

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<v Speaker 1>kid's seventy five thousand dollars a year third grade, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>by standing up for your beliefs. Anyway, but back to Rosado.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's how the lms train themselves and Jack interrupted me

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<v Speaker 1>rudely after only one example, but the commentary is the

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<v Speaker 1>same on each one. Practically, they train themselves on news articles,

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<v Speaker 1>Wikipedia entries, eh, social media posts wildly varied blah, and

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<v Speaker 1>academic papers.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh lordy, this is like the story from a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of weeks ago of why the experts often agree with

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<v Speaker 2>the liberals. It's because all the experts are liberals, just

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<v Speaker 2>my definition. So in all these various areas of study.

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<v Speaker 2>There are one hundred. They're somewhere between ninety two and

0:33:23.240 --> 0:33:26.040
<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent lefties that are the professors. So if

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<v Speaker 2>you go looking for an expert, of course the expert

0:33:28.120 --> 0:33:31.360
<v Speaker 2>live agrees with So this is what's happening here and.

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<v Speaker 1>Then now, Resata points out these biases can become more

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<v Speaker 1>pronounced during the model's fine tuning phrase when human trainers

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<v Speaker 1>guide it on conversational norms. Even well intentioned trainers may

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<v Speaker 1>inadvertently influence the model by incorporating their own perspectives or

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<v Speaker 1>assumptions about their employer's expectations.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, and that's where the human part comes. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>there'd be no getting around that. A fish doesn't Alwa's wet.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you're like so into your worldview, you

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<v Speaker 2>don't even know it's different than most people. That could happen.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're right that it's on purpose, that would be

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<v Speaker 2>good news. If my theory is that these things just

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<v Speaker 2>go that direction, that would be bad news, because I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how you combat that.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean, that's that's unquestionably a lot of it,

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<v Speaker 4>if not most of it. So I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if this happens in computers the way it

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<v Speaker 2>happens with human beings. Tim Sanderfer and I forget the

0:34:24.239 --> 0:34:27.359
<v Speaker 2>name of it. Somebody's law, somebody's name law.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>One of those Johnson's law is that any organization drifts

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<v Speaker 2>left unless it's specifically designed to be right wing, and

0:34:37.520 --> 0:34:40.359
<v Speaker 2>it just tends to be true. Everything drifts left over

0:34:40.480 --> 0:34:43.320
<v Speaker 2>time for some reason. And I wonder if that's just

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on here, which would be horrifying.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think the answer might be.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, we don't know what AI is going to

0:34:51.160 --> 0:34:54.800
<v Speaker 1>be five weeks, much less five years. Answers don't be

0:34:54.880 --> 0:34:57.560
<v Speaker 1>worshipful of it, understand where it came from and what

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<v Speaker 1>it is, and it's gonna lean left.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea how this is all gonna play out.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, that doesn't matter if I of course, you're

0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:08.520
<v Speaker 2>gonna have a sassy, progressive, left leaning sex robot. It's

0:35:08.520 --> 0:35:12.040
<v Speaker 2>always lecturing you. I can't have sex with you today.

0:35:12.320 --> 0:35:15.800
<v Speaker 2>I need to go to the anti pro choice to

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<v Speaker 2>whatever march downtown. Your sex robot it's gonna best.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be like a reincarnation of Margaret Thatcher is

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<v Speaker 1>better looking. It's gonna lecture me I'm being too much

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<v Speaker 1>of a liberal.

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<v Speaker 2>That's hilarious. Oh boy. If you miss an hour, get

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