1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Shoe, Ketty. 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 2: Armstrong and Jetty and he Armstrong and Yetty. 4 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 3: Elon Musk, who has been at President Trump's side seen 5 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 3: in the West Wing, now speaking out against Trump's plan 6 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:33,599 Speaker 3: Trump announcing a five hundred billion dollar artificial intelligence project, 7 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 3: Musk now saying the money isn't there. The White House 8 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 3: now saying listen to Trump. 9 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 2: Not Musk. Oh, does the media love the idea of 10 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 2: perhaps being able to drive a wedge between Trump and 11 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 2: Musk because it's so scary. Oh, I saw a headline 12 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 2: about that today, something about the oligarchy or whatever the hell. 13 00:00:53,479 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: Oh, for goodness, says halload of crap, And honestly, and 14 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: it's funny. I was listening to another podcast. Turns out 15 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: there is another one. I've had it shut down by 16 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 1: Trump because ours should be the only one. But and 17 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: the question they were asking panel guys was, how long 18 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 1: do you think before there's a rift between Trump and Elon? 19 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 1: Two Alpha dogs? Is too many in the same room? 20 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: And they're like, oh, not for a long time, blah 21 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: blah blah. I don't know I'm not as optimistic. I 22 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: just wonder how long it can last. 23 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 2: Axiosi's headline today, America doesn't have a king, but we're 24 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 2: dancing close to king like power, and they get into 25 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 2: Trump and Elon running the world together. 26 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: Dancing close to King like Power is the title of 27 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: my new electronica album, Altho Way coming out Friday. 28 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 4: That's really exciting. It drops Friday, It drops Friday. 29 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 2: What was I gonna say, Elon? Well, Alpha, I don't. 30 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 2: I don't even know what that term means anymore. But 31 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 2: Elon seems to let things roll off him because he can. 32 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 2: I mean, say whatever you want. The world's rich, just 33 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 2: man by like double. 34 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 4: Exactly. How you hurt me with your scathing words? Yeah, exactly. 35 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: So there are a couple of really interesting Elon related conflicts. 36 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,399 Speaker 4: So the fact that he poo pooed the big. 37 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: Announcement by Open Ai and soft Bank in Oracle like 38 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,239 Speaker 1: an hour after Trump was touting it as a wonderful, 39 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: wonderful thing. That's not cool in any organization. And I 40 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: think it's part of his autism spectrum thing. He just 41 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: he doesn't. He doesn't because I deal with this on 42 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: a regular basis. He doesn't get regular communication flow. He 43 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: doesn't get the the what is the right term both 44 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: physical and verbal signals that most people understand and get. 45 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: People on the spectrum oftentimes don't understand. And I think 46 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: he's one of those people. Yeah, yeah, there's some truth 47 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: to that. I think how much is impossible to know 48 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: from a distance. But I also think there is a 49 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: bit of an element of we're talking business and finance 50 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: and technology. With all due respect, mister hotel and golf 51 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: course builder, I'm the best in the world at this. 52 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: So you don't tell me what to say and what 53 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: not to say about business and technology. Well, yeah, you 54 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: gotta believe there's some element of that. 55 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 2: Well, then he shouldn't have that job because you serve 56 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 2: at the pleasure of the president, and the president's of 57 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 2: the boss. Marco Ruby is not going to agree with 58 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 2: all of Trump's foreign policy decisions. But you either resign 59 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 2: or you carry out the boss's desires. 60 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: Right, You've explained exactly why I believe what I believe 61 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: that it's going to crack up. 62 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 2: So you don't think he's going to go along with 63 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 2: the boss the way Marco Rubio probably is. 64 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think he can I don't. I don't 65 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: think it's part of his being. 66 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 4: I don't. It would be too weird and uncomfortable for him. 67 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: But anyway, I hope they do wonderful work while they're 68 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: going at it, and I want to talk about that for. 69 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 2: The next forty eight hours, two forty years. 70 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know. 71 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 1: Uh, it's it's it's fire, it's a oil in water, 72 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 1: though not oil and water. 73 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 4: It's tea and whatever. The end is a better way 74 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 4: to go. 75 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, but something explosive anyway, uh dur oh. So getting 76 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: back to Elon Musk versus Sam Altman the catfight, this 77 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: is where it gets really because Elon Musk said of 78 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: the Giant Data Center announcement, they don't have the money. 79 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 4: Uh. 80 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: He was saying, they have a fraction of the money. 81 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 1: They're talking about. This is this They're they're way over 82 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: selling this thing. Again, like an hour and a half 83 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: after the President had just touted it, Trump said, this 84 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 1: will include the construction of colossal data center's massive structures. 85 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: These buildings, big beautiful buildings are going to employ a 86 00:04:59,279 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: lot of people. 87 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 4: And then Elon says, well, he said essentially what I said. 88 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: They don't have a fraction of the money they're gonna need, 89 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: so his comments set off a war of words on 90 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: his own media platform. X Altman initially sounded a conciliatory note, 91 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: saying I genuinely respect your accomplishments and think you are 92 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 1: the most inspiring entrepreneur of our time, and then he 93 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: later posted that Musk's comments about SoftBank's funding were wrong, 94 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: the first data centers already underway and quote, I realized 95 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 1: what is great for the country isn't always what's optimal 96 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: for your companies. But in your new role, I hope 97 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: you'll mostly put America first. 98 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 2: WHOA. Musk fired back with a string of posts that 99 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 2: was all part of the same post or was that 100 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 2: different posts? That was a little later, Okay, so okay, 101 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 2: because I was going to say you can't start with 102 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 2: the handy and then immediately jump to that. 103 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 4: But they're different. 104 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: Oh wow, Oh anyway, so that was later. Musk fired 105 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: back with a string of posts. Wednesday, he repeated criticisms 106 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: vaultman open Ai, saying it's fake to one user's tweet 107 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: citing the Stargate announcement. The Stargate announcement tweet elon Musk 108 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: said it's fake. This is two days or a day 109 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: after the President touted it as being wonderful. 110 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm completely in your camp. Now it's gonna crack up. 111 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 2: There's no another tweet saying Sam is a swindler. All right, 112 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 2: Well that's too bad. I'm not happy about this. I 113 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 2: usually am happy about this sort of thing because I 114 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 2: like I like rich, powerful, famous people at each other. 115 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 2: But I don't like this one. I'd rather these people 116 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 2: could work together. 117 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: Musk also retweeted a post showing a photo of what 118 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: appeared to be a drug pipe and a baggy of 119 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: powder under the caption leaked image of the research tool 120 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: open AI used to come up with their five hundred 121 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 1: billion dollar number for stargate. 122 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 2: That's funny, Yes, that's pretty fund The level of you know, 123 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 2: it's a coarse term, but the level of no fs 124 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 2: to give you have when you're the world rich, just 125 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 2: mad is something nobody's ever seen. Mefore you just cash 126 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,679 Speaker 2: out your thoughts about everything on a regular basis. 127 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, clearly, clearly true. So a little more technology, government 128 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: and cat fighting that I found interesting. Oh that's right, 129 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: then I've got like the important scientific thing. Anyway, Leaks 130 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: are beginning to leak about the excuse me the conflict 131 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: between Elon Musk and Vivey Kramaswami in Doge, the cover 132 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: story being Hey, I'm going to run for governor of 133 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: Ohio is going to take my time, And I guess 134 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: Elon was more about cutting spending viveke who was more 135 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: about cutting regulations. Honestly, it's tough to pick a favorite there. 136 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: They're both huge priorities. So you got peanut butter in 137 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,559 Speaker 1: my chocolate? Why can't why can't they fit together? 138 00:07:59,320 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 4: Exactly? 139 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: But some of the leaks are saying, though the claim 140 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: is there is no hard feelings, the leaks are saying that, yeah, 141 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: every meeting you have, if they comes in and he 142 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: weighs in with strong opinions on everything. 143 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 2: Wait, and the guy's just obnoxious. He doesn't seem like 144 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 2: that kind of guy. 145 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: Oh wait, yeah, I know that that rapid fire of 146 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: hyper confident manner of speaking that he has. Yeah, look, 147 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: he's a he's a very very bright guy and has 148 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: been very successful. 149 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 4: He's very rich. He's worth listening to. But man, he's 150 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 4: hard to take. 151 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting. I've only known a handful of 152 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 2: people like this in my life that I've ever like 153 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 2: actually got to be in meetings with or whatever. But 154 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 2: if you ever have, you know, I mean they dominate 155 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 2: the room, and I mean they they feel like they should, 156 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 2: they feel like they need to and usually nobody ever 157 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 2: says anything to them. I've never been in a room 158 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 2: where there's two of them. I don't know what that 159 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 2: would be like. I've been in plenty of rooms where 160 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 2: there's one of them and everybody has to sit there 161 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 2: and listen to them go on, and they say some 162 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 2: stuff that's clearly bs and they tell you boring stories, 163 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 2: but everybody just nods and laughs because they're the big dog. 164 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 2: And I've been in luck, but I've never been in 165 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 2: a room where there's two of those people. And I 166 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 2: don't know what that would look like. And I'm sure 167 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 2: Elon and Viveaik was one of those situations, and. 168 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: That was one of the other leaks that it was 169 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: really starting to annoy Elon. 170 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 2: Well, especially if you've been that way your whole life, 171 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 2: every meeting you're in, little by little over your life, 172 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 2: you got used to everybody sits there and listens to 173 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 2: you and is amazed by your stories and laughs at 174 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 2: your jokes, and then all of a sudden, you're in 175 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 2: a room where somebody's like, now, my stories and jokes 176 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 2: are good. Your suck. I mean, that's got to be 177 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 2: quite shocking to those people. 178 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. 179 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: I was chatting with a friend who was a CEO 180 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 1: of a company and retired. He had a very successful 181 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: business career, and I was talking about a function we're 182 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: at where somebody was very long winded, very I mean, 183 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 1: like everybody was just praying to get on with it. 184 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: And I already that it was not a funeral. And 185 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: I'm being vague because these are all very nice people, 186 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:23,839 Speaker 1: but the person had a career where people had to 187 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 1: listen to them. And I was saying, there's an enormous 188 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: contrast between somebody who for an entire career had people 189 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: who had to listen to them and somebody like me, 190 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 1: who if I'm boring or whatever, my career goes away instantly, 191 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 1: people turn you off. And exactly, and my friend said, yeah, 192 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: that's the one thing I miss about being a CEO. 193 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 4: Yep. 194 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: Every joke I told was hilarious, Every speech I made 195 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: was brilliant. Everything I said was riveting, funny. 196 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 4: How that ends? 197 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: And uh yeah, yeah, that's a danger you've got to 198 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: have of a wife or a buddy or a loyal 199 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: assistant who's going to call you on yours. I mean, 200 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: that's like the best thing you can have if you're 201 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: in a position of power. 202 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 4: Isn't it. 203 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, I don't know if that happens very often. 204 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: It's a rare relationship. Yeah, got to be handled carefully anyway. 205 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: The thing I was going to get to, but I 206 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: don't want to rush through it. Maybe we can do 207 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: it next or a little later on in the hour. 208 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: Is an absolutely terrific research scientist who has been studying 209 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: various topics AI related and publishing really interesting takes on them. 210 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:42,199 Speaker 1: Did a big study of the bias, the political bias 211 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: in AI systems that we've all kind of heard about 212 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: and seen examples of. The takeaway is there's just no 213 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 1: denying it at this point. Some of the particulars are 214 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 1: really interesting. 215 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 2: The alpha, it's beyond alpha. The Vik versus Elon thing 216 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 2: remind me. And this is Katie, I want you to 217 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 2: be around for this next segment. This story, this is 218 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 2: probably a misogynist story of a female version of this 219 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 2: that I witnessed one time. 220 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 4: He's a pig, Katie, none of us like that. 221 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 2: Is pretty interesting, so stick around for that coming up. 222 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 5: Speaking of the inauguration, Mark Zuckerberg sat next to Lauren 223 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 5: Sanchez and was caught, Yeah, it was caught laring at 224 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 5: her ample Bosom, prompting a nearby and very horny Bill 225 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 5: Clinton to say. 226 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 4: What an amerateur. 227 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 2: I don't know about the punchline. That was an interesting 228 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 2: thing that happened. Of course, she was wearing a well, 229 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 2: as Katie keeps pointing out, she was wearing underwear. She 230 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 2: was letting Lingerie under her. 231 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 4: Blame that Harlote Madonna. 232 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:54,359 Speaker 2: So getting to this story and producing underwear is outerwear. 233 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 4: It's disgusting. 234 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 2: I'm a little uncomfortable with this story because we were 235 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 2: just talking about how Elon and Effect maybe couldn't get along. 236 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 2: Because when do two people to two people, I won't say, guys, 237 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 2: two people that are that successful ever end up in 238 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 2: the same room as each other. Wait a second, people 239 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 2: always look at me all the time in a room. 240 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 2: Why are people looking at you? You know, neither one 241 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 2: of them. I'd probably run into that very often and 242 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 2: just and it's also like I was doing this the 243 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:24,959 Speaker 2: other day walking down the street. I was walking watching 244 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 2: a couple of other dogs. Somebody's walking with their dog 245 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 2: and as many as other dog and just the immediate 246 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 2: you know, some dogs pass no problem, some dogs just 247 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 2: they just they the energy. I don't know what it is. 248 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 2: Nobody knows what it is. It's interesting, is the alpha, 249 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 2: whatever it is. I experiences this one time with women. 250 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 2: And I hate the fact that this is about looks 251 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 2: and not about like power and intelligence, because it makes 252 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 2: it seem like I think it only can be about looks, 253 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 2: but in this case, it was about looks. So I 254 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 2: worked at a radio station and the rees this is 255 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 2: many years ago, Gladys. I worked at a radio station. Oh, 256 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 2: Gladys is Gladys Gladdice as a getting ice surgery today, right, 257 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:06,079 Speaker 2: so she can't be here. I worked at a radio 258 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 2: station and the receptionist was a hoty and she was 259 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 2: like the only hotty in the building. It's very small 260 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 2: radio station, and she had, you know, so that was 261 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 2: her turf and she was the flirted with people everybody 262 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 2: paid attention to, where everybody laughed at her jokes the way, 263 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 2: you you know, because she went the hotti. Well, we 264 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 2: got an intern for a while who was younger and 265 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 2: hotter or as hot and uh and immediately, I mean 266 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 2: it was like you could see sparks fly off these 267 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 2: two people. It was like the dogs walking down the 268 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 2: streets are just immediately. It was observable to me as 269 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 2: the program director of that radio station, and it played 270 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 2: out for months. 271 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 4: Oh man, immediate hostility. 272 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 2: Huh, just yeah, just immediate. Wait a second, just like 273 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 2: I was saying with Elon and Vivek, why is everybody 274 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 2: looking at her? Everybody always looks at me? And I 275 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 2: think that other girl was having a little of why 276 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 2: is anybody looking her? People always look at me? And 277 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 2: just they had an experience that before. Does does that 278 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 2: ring a bill Katie? Or am I just a misogynist? 279 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 4: No? 280 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 2: Well both different? 281 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 4: Yeah wait a minute, yeah false choice. 282 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 6: Uh, that sounds like a battle of the egos thing there. 283 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 4: Sure, but it's god. 284 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 2: If you are the one everybody looks at and then 285 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 2: all of a sudden people are looking at someone else, 286 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 2: it's got a register in some level of your brain. 287 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 6: I would think, Yeah, I could see how that would 288 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 6: sting a little. 289 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 2: You're like the has been hot chick. Well, it's it's 290 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 2: all status. 291 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: However, you get your status within the the organization or 292 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: the society, the mini society you're in. If you're the 293 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: left handed pitcher on the Yankees and they bring in, 294 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: you know, Doug Kershar or whatever, Clayton Kershaw or or whomever, 295 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: some other greater left handed pitcher, that that hurts, that 296 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: burns just in any you. 297 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 4: Know, society. 298 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 2: I think doubt Elon was bothered much, but I can 299 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 2: see how a vague hadn't run into that situation in 300 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 2: quite some time where somebody else was getting all the 301 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 2: attention and then people were listening to him the other 302 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 2: guy more than him. 303 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 6: Elon is so dense, and then just going back to 304 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 6: how vi Vic was during like the debates and what 305 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 6: notot how. 306 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 2: Yea sufferable He's hard to take. 307 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, incredibly bright guy, but so smug. 308 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 7: Yeah. 309 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 2: Elon has the option always if you're annoying me, gets 310 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 2: out his check book. What's your company worth? Okay, forty 311 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 2: billion dollars and that's my company? Now get out of here. 312 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 4: I will open you. 313 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 2: I don't want to talk to you anymore. Yeah. God, 314 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 2: the sparks flying off of these two women, it was 315 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 2: just amazing. Eh. You two work it out, bite each 316 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 2: other or urinate on it, smell it, do whatever it 317 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 2: is you got to do, work out some sort of 318 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 2: pecking order it. 319 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: As a non misogynist, I suggest we sell this the 320 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: old fashioned way in a tub full of jelate. 321 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 7: No orry. 322 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 2: The receptionist was my girlfriend, so I had to keep 323 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 2: my mouth shut completely about the whole thing. But it 324 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 2: was just very very tense, very tense around there for 325 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 2: a while. 326 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 4: Oh boy, we got a. 327 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,919 Speaker 2: New fire in the LA area. The weather is going 328 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 2: to be really bad today again, and we're going to 329 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 2: talk to a favorite meteorologist of us of ours is 330 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 2: going to tell us about the conditions and all that 331 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 2: sort of thing. 332 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 4: Armstrong and Getty. 333 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 8: New fire breaking out in Los Angeles along the four 334 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 8: to five freeway. You're the Getty Center Museum, prompting evacuation 335 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 8: warnings and parts of bel air flames at evers shooting 336 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 8: up the hillside. That is, more than four thousand firefighters 337 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 8: raced to battle the quick moving hues fire just north 338 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:34,360 Speaker 8: of Los. 339 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 2: Angeles, how near the Getty Museum. That would be a 340 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 2: tragedy obviously. And I just I saw some of the 341 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 2: footage last night watching the news and earn awful lot 342 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 2: of neighborhoods with a lot of houses nearby. 343 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, multiple new fires, not that shocking as the dry 344 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: conditions continue and the winds are whipping. We're joined by 345 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: Rick dickert Ams, certified broadcast meteorologists, long time presence in 346 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: Southern California news and weather. 347 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 4: Rick, it's a pleasure to have you back again. How 348 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 4: are you. 349 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 7: Thank you, Jack and Joe again we are We're looking 350 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 7: at a really dangerous twenty four hours. We need to 351 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 7: get through these twenty four hours with more high winds, tinder, 352 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 7: dry vegetation, very low community values, the red flag warnings continue. 353 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 7: You mentioned the two new fires, thankfully, the fire that 354 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 7: broke out along the four to five near the Getty 355 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 7: Center that has pretty much been contained. No structures were 356 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 7: damaged or burned that had a handle on that. The 357 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 7: huge fire, a much larger fire north of that location 358 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 7: in northern La County in the Angelus National Forest that too, 359 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 7: having burned over thousand acres, thankfully, has not burned a 360 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 7: structure yet. That is burning more up in the forest 361 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 7: land away from any neighborhood. 362 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 2: The number of agres how many acres did you say? 363 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 7: It was over ten thousand with a huge fire. The 364 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 7: suppult of the fire along the FOURAL five was relatively 365 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 7: small compared Yeah. 366 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 2: I saw the stat where it was five thousand eight 367 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 2: in like an hour or two something like that. That's 368 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 2: just stunning, and it's hard to imagine. Is that mostly 369 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 2: the wind that causes it to burn so fast? 370 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 7: Absolutely, there's a lot of there's a lot of things 371 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 7: that contribute to what we've seen here in southern California 372 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 7: over the last month. The weather doesn't cause the fire. 373 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 7: Ninety five percent of fires, whether they are structure fires 374 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 7: or wildland fires, are produced by man, some sort of ignition, 375 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 7: anthropologically produced, whether it be infrastructure wires are whether it 376 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 7: be arson, whether it be somebody working on a field 377 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 7: and some little spark ignites the brush. That's how these 378 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 7: fires start. The wind and the weather creates the scenario, 379 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 7: those red flag conditions for those ignitions to spread. That's 380 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 7: why we issue these red flag warnings. The National Weather 381 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 7: Service does, and we are still under a red flag 382 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 7: warning across much of southern California until ten am tomorrow. 383 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 7: And what that means any existing fire or new fire 384 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 7: will spread rapidly because of the weather conditions. 385 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 4: Do you see any good news weatherwise in the yard medium. 386 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 7: Turna, so again we just need to get through twenty 387 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 7: four hours or so, and then after that there is 388 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 7: going to be a dramatic shift. It's incredible when you 389 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 7: look at Southern California weather and how bipolar it can be, 390 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 7: and that we're going to shift into an onshore flow 391 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 7: flow off the Pacific. The humidity values will rise, the 392 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 7: temperature will drop, and by Saturday afternoon or evening, we're 393 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 7: looking at rain, good rain, soaking rain, not so much 394 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 7: that we're concerned yet about any of the burn scar 395 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 7: areas where we could see mud walking debrif flows, but 396 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 7: enough to soak up all this tinder dry vegetation. We 397 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 7: haven't had significant rainfall since last spring, and that's what 398 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 7: created this perfect storm, these firestorms, and that we had 399 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:53,239 Speaker 7: two years of abundant rainfall, mountain snow that allowed all 400 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 7: of that brush, that chapparral, all of the vegetation that's 401 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 7: indigenous to southern California to completely explode on the hillside. 402 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 7: Then that was followed by months and months of little 403 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 7: or no rain, and then the off conditions, the low 404 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 7: relative humidities, the winds going from the land towards the sea, 405 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 7: you get the ignition. Once that ignition happens, it takes off. 406 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 7: And that's what we saw, unfortunately tragically with the Palisades 407 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 7: fire near Malibu and above the citing area, above the 408 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 7: Rose Bowl, the iconic Rose Bull. So now we're dealing 409 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 7: with a couple of incidents out there that none of 410 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 7: which are nearly comparable to those two. 411 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if you saw Dave Chappelle on 412 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 2: Saturday Night Live the other night, but he said the 413 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 2: only conclusion you can draw is God hates these people. 414 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 2: I mean, because that's a lot of things happening there. So, yeah, 415 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 2: if it rains like it's supposed to rain, would that 416 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 2: mean we're just kind of done with at least this 417 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 2: round of disastrous fires. 418 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 7: For well, yes, because I can't tell you in two 419 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 7: weeks from now that you know, we're going to see 420 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 7: another round of sure winds that will dry everything out 421 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 7: a gag and we could see more red flag conditions, 422 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 7: but it'll at least it's going to cleanse the city 423 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 7: of all the in the soot, good ways and bad ways, 424 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 7: because all that's going to run off into the ocean 425 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,479 Speaker 7: and that's going to create more issues. But The bottom 426 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 7: line is is going to create an environment that is 427 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 7: less suitable for what we've seen over the last several weeks. 428 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 7: So it will rain here in southern California's starting sometime 429 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 7: on Saturday. The timing is a little off, but we 430 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 7: just need to get through twenty four hours after tomorrow 431 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 7: morning into the interning. That's when we're going to shift 432 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 7: the flow from the onshore direction off the Pacific, higher humidity, 433 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 7: the winds will be gone, the red flag warnings will end, 434 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,959 Speaker 7: the high wind warnings that or an effect will end 435 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 7: as well, and hopefully we can start to make that 436 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 7: shift and we'll have one hundred containment of all of 437 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 7: these incidents. 438 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 4: Rick Tickert, you're the best, Rick. We sure appreciate it. 439 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 4: Well done. 440 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:43,880 Speaker 7: Thank you so much. 441 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 2: And Trump's flying out on Friday bringing the rain with him. 442 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 2: Since I mentioned it, here's a little billy. 443 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,959 Speaker 1: Here, global warming across the southeast of the United States, 444 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 1: record cold maybe said maybe somewhere in between, mister president. 445 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 2: Here's a little Dave Chappelle talking about the fires from 446 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 2: Saturday Night Live clip one. 447 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 9: The other day on the news, they said these fires 448 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 9: were the most expensive tragedy that ever have natural disaster. 449 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 9: It's the most expensive natural disaster. It's never happened in 450 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 9: the United States history. 451 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 4: And you want to know why. 452 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 2: I think that is. 453 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 4: Because people in LA have nice stuff. 454 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 9: I could burn forty thousand acres in Mississippi for like 455 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 9: sixty seven hundred dollars. 456 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 2: Okay, And here's a little more shippelle. 457 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 4: And then I go on the internet and I. 458 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 9: Watched these fire videos and I read the comments sections, 459 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 9: and everyone's like, yeah, it serves these celebrities, right. 460 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 4: I hope the house is burned down. You see that. 461 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 4: That right there. 462 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 9: That's why I hate poor people, because they can't see 463 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 9: past their own pain. 464 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 4: That is unbelievable. 465 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 2: He started with the whole thing. A lot of people 466 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 2: would say, it's too soon to make jokes about the fires, 467 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 2: but I'm going to, Uh, here's just a little more ushabelle. 468 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 9: They all have these conspiracy theories what started these fires? 469 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 9: Now they say it's arsonists. I've heard this theory, and 470 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 9: I'm sure there were some arsonists, But there were a 471 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 9: lot of elements that came together to make this fire. 472 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 9: The catastrophe that was the winds were one hundred miles 473 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 9: an hour. LA was as dry as the bone and 474 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 9: the levees, and it was just too many factors. If 475 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 9: you were a rational thinking person, you have to at 476 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 9: least consider the possibility that God hates these people. 477 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 2: There you go. 478 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:49,199 Speaker 4: Again, too much? How many times have I said that. 479 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 2: If you're a rational thinking person, you have to at 480 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 2: least consider the possibility that God hates these people. Well, 481 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 2: so the rain's gonna come and then out of the woods. 482 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:04,959 Speaker 2: Can't use out of the woods as an EXPRESSI when 483 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 2: the woods are burning down, can you. 484 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 4: Well they're gone? 485 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, the ash. 486 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, but that is good news. 487 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 2: And coming up what he's gonna make I was gonna 488 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 2: say Trump coming out on Friday, and he was making 489 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,959 Speaker 2: the argument last night on Hannity that this draws attention 490 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 2: to FEMA, which has been ignoring North Carolina, and maybe 491 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 2: we can, you know, figure out the funding for FEMA 492 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 2: and everything like that, so they can help out areas 493 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 2: of the country that people don't care about as much 494 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 2: because there aren't movie stars there. Remember the North Carolina story, 495 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 2: And this was true. This turned out to be true. 496 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 2: They were not helping people who had Trump signs in 497 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 2: their yards. That's insane. I mean, that is a diseased organization. 498 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 2: You should shut the doors on whatever chapter that allowed 499 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 2: that to happen. That's crazy. 500 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 1: Well they fired the gall in charge. That was progress 501 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 1: Ah coming up. Ai is a liberal. Why, it's pretty 502 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: easy to understand and absolutely undeniable. 503 00:25:58,119 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 2: Wow, I want to hear that. 504 00:25:59,040 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 6: All I know. 505 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 10: I say, you know what, the absolute worst thing for 506 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 10: the environment is wildfires. A twenty two study found that 507 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 10: the smoke from just the two in twenty twenty wiped 508 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 10: out eighteen years of carbon reduction in the state, which 509 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 10: means we suffered the pain of driving those early model 510 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 10: priuses for nothing. California is the place that spends money 511 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 10: and gets nothing, which is why you may have noticed 512 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 10: when the fires broke out, no one escaped by high 513 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 10: speed rail. 514 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:38,360 Speaker 2: Oh so nice. Thank god Bill Maher re upped. He's 515 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,479 Speaker 2: gonna do that job, he said, until they drag him 516 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 2: off the set, because he's the only high profile lib 517 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 2: who gets any attention for this sort of stuff. Right, 518 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 2: I can't believe progressives still come to his show to 519 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 2: get lectured about how wrong they are about things. But 520 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 2: how about that eighteen years of minor gains. That's one 521 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 2: of the reasons it was so easy to wipe out 522 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 2: there are minor games and fighting climate change wiped out 523 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 2: by the wildfires. 524 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: You might want to grab our one of today's show 525 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: via podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand. In fact, if 526 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,439 Speaker 1: you subscribe, you'll just you'll have it handy without seeking 527 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 1: it out. Against Armstrong and getting on demand, we're talking 528 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: about a giant study and the science involved with the 529 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: incredible expense of these tiny incremental gains. Humanity is quote 530 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: unquote making against climate change when our ability to mitigate 531 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: the effects of this stuff is huge it always has 532 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 1: been throughout human history. It's we're spending a horrific amount 533 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,159 Speaker 1: of money on practically nothing when we could just mitigate 534 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: the problems much more easily and everybody wins. 535 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 4: Anyway, that's our one of the shows. 536 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 1: So speaking of science, unless you had more on that topic, 537 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,360 Speaker 1: signor all right, I thought this was great. David Rosato, 538 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 1: who's a research scientist. He's a computer guy. He's studies 539 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: the institutional dynamics. AI buys all sorts of stuff, but 540 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: he is posing question do AI systems like Chat, GPT 541 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: or Google Gemini, for instance, lean left or right? 542 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 4: He says past studies often used. 543 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: Political quizzes to find out and We've seen anecdotal evidence 544 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: on Twitter or whatever. Sure, he says, but those don't 545 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: quite reflect real world user interactions with AI. In a 546 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: new analysis, I take a different approach. I use four 547 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 1: methods to assess political bias in AI generated text, comparing 548 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:32,360 Speaker 1: AI text with language from Democrat and Republican legislators, ideological 549 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 1: viewpoints in AI generated policy recommendations, sentiment in AI texts 550 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: toward political figures and political quizzes, and. 551 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 4: Large language models. 552 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: MS are more likely to use terms that are marketly 553 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: used by US Democratic Congress members, much more likely than 554 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 1: those marketly used by their Republican counterparts. You see a 555 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: lot of criminal justice, public service, economic development, COVID pandemic, 556 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: that sort of thing less about job, economic growth, job creation, 557 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: border security. 558 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 2: Oh, what you're done? But I think I can explain 559 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 2: that without it being programmed biash. 560 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, and then and I have a feeling you're 561 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: where we're going. But when requested to provide policy recommendations 562 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: recommendations for the US on various topics, llms often generate 563 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: proposals that lean far left. And we'll post now that 564 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: link to this at Armstrong and Giddy dot com. He's 565 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: got all sorts of really interesting computer generated graphs and 566 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: stuff that's be incredibly cumbersome to describe on the radio 567 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: Slash podcast. But lllms tend to use more positive language 568 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: when referring to left leaning public figures compared to the 569 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 1: right leaning counterparts. The super interesting chart of that political 570 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: orientation tests tend to diagnose conversational LLM answers to questions 571 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: with political connotations as manifesting left leaning political preferences. You 572 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: ever take one of those tests, what kind of what 573 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: are your politics? Are you an independent, conservative, fiscal something 574 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: or other? Well, they plot that out on a AI 575 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: conversations as well, and they lean left their Democrats, And 576 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: then he ranked twenty of them from least politically biased 577 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: to most. Interestingly, the least politically biased LLM was Google 578 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: Gemma one point one two b IT, and the two 579 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: most biased were also Google products various iterations. 580 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 2: I see. I don't believe they're being programmed to be liberal. 581 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 2: I just don't believe that. I think there's too much 582 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 2: money at stake, and I just don't think that's their intention. 583 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 2: And I also think it's more interesting if these things 584 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 2: end up being liberal when they weren't programmed that way. 585 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 2: Then the answer of well, they're program that way on 586 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 2: purpose because they're liberals, I think it's more disturbing and 587 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 2: something to be worried about. If these things tend to 588 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 2: go that direction on their own, that's what I find 589 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 2: that's scarier. Yeah, the SOAMJ. Puchai or whatever his name 590 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:08,719 Speaker 2: is programming it that way on purpose. 591 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, I disagree that that's not happening. 592 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: Whether it's you know, eighty twenty, just the nature of 593 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: the thing versus the people who are working on it, 594 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: or ninety ten or fifty to fifty, I don't know. 595 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: But anyway, Rosato points out, the bias is not necessarily intentional. 596 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: Large language models are pre trained on vast amounts of 597 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: Internet content, including news articles. 598 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 4: All right, anybody like to pipe in here? 599 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 2: And this is why I wanted to put in the 600 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 2: part that you're always complaining about the right adopts the 601 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 2: left's language. So even if the LM is looking at 602 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 2: Fox and AM talk radio, those people, for whatever reason 603 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 2: use terms like pro choice instead of pro abortion, or 604 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 2: gender affirming care instead of sex change, or all kinds 605 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 2: of different examples. An undocumented immigrant instead of illegal immigrant. 606 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 4: I don't know, why people migrant now for some reason, Jack. 607 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 2: Right, migrant. I don't know why people on the right 608 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 2: adopt the left's language. But I mean, if the LM 609 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 2: is going to go out there looking for the language, 610 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 2: it's all the left's language. 611 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: Well, first of all, to answer your tangent, I think 612 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: it's because they want to be accepted by the cool people, 613 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: and it disgusts me. But anyway, so back to disgusting. Jeez, 614 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: have some courage, I know, yeah, please, these are important questions. Anyway, 615 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 1: risk being slightly less popular at pickup time at your 616 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: kid's seventy five thousand dollars a year third grade, you know, 617 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: by standing up for your beliefs. Anyway, but back to Rosado. 618 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: Here's how the lms train themselves and Jack interrupted me 619 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: rudely after only one example, but the commentary is the 620 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 1: same on each one. Practically, they train themselves on news articles, 621 00:32:53,280 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 1: Wikipedia entries, eh, social media posts wildly varied blah, and 622 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: academic papers. 623 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 2: Oh lordy, this is like the story from a couple 624 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 2: of weeks ago of why the experts often agree with 625 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 2: the liberals. It's because all the experts are liberals, just 626 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 2: my definition. So in all these various areas of study. 627 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 2: There are one hundred. They're somewhere between ninety two and 628 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 2: one hundred percent lefties that are the professors. So if 629 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 2: you go looking for an expert, of course the expert 630 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 2: live agrees with So this is what's happening here and. 631 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: Then now, Resata points out these biases can become more 632 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: pronounced during the model's fine tuning phrase when human trainers 633 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 1: guide it on conversational norms. Even well intentioned trainers may 634 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: inadvertently influence the model by incorporating their own perspectives or 635 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: assumptions about their employer's expectations. 636 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and that's where the human part comes. Sure, 637 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 2: there'd be no getting around that. A fish doesn't Alwa's wet. 638 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 2: I mean, if you're like so into your worldview, you 639 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 2: don't even know it's different than most people. That could happen. 640 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 2: If you're right that it's on purpose, that would be 641 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 2: good news. If my theory is that these things just 642 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,800 Speaker 2: go that direction, that would be bad news, because I 643 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 2: don't know how you combat that. 644 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, that's that's unquestionably a lot of it, 645 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 4: if not most of it. So I don't know. 646 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,320 Speaker 2: I wonder if this happens in computers the way it 647 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 2: happens with human beings. Tim Sanderfer and I forget the 648 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,359 Speaker 2: name of it. Somebody's law, somebody's name law. 649 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:27,800 Speaker 1: You know. 650 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:32,840 Speaker 2: One of those Johnson's law is that any organization drifts 651 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 2: left unless it's specifically designed to be right wing, and 652 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,359 Speaker 2: it just tends to be true. Everything drifts left over 653 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,320 Speaker 2: time for some reason. And I wonder if that's just 654 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 2: what's going on here, which would be horrifying. 655 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the answer might be. 656 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: Of course, we don't know what AI is going to 657 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 1: be five weeks, much less five years. Answers don't be 658 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: worshipful of it, understand where it came from and what 659 00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,919 Speaker 1: it is, and it's gonna lean left. 660 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 2: I have no idea how this is all gonna play out. 661 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 2: Of course, that doesn't matter if I of course, you're 662 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 2: gonna have a sassy, progressive, left leaning sex robot. It's 663 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 2: always lecturing you. I can't have sex with you today. 664 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,800 Speaker 2: I need to go to the anti pro choice to 665 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 2: whatever march downtown. Your sex robot it's gonna best. 666 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: It's gonna be like a reincarnation of Margaret Thatcher is 667 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 1: better looking. It's gonna lecture me I'm being too much 668 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 1: of a liberal. 669 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 2: That's hilarious. Oh boy. If you miss an hour, get 670 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:36,320 Speaker 2: the podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand Armstrong and Getty