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Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of I Heart

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Speaker 1: Radio Together Everything. So hello, welcome back to the worst

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Speaker 1: year ever. It's fine, it's the welcome back to the

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Speaker 1: year that everybody had fun during, the one that is

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Speaker 1: now welcome to the time of the year. I would

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Speaker 1: say that, actually, I think this is the best year

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Speaker 1: had if we had to pick a year out of

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Speaker 1: that's the best we pick. I would say this this

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Speaker 1: by any metric, this has been the number one that

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Speaker 1: I've experienced. Absolutely, it's wild row different. This feels from

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Speaker 1: the last us time I talked to you in Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, I think we can refer to what's

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Speaker 1: happening right now as an uprising. I think that's broadly

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Speaker 1: pretty fair. Um yeah maybe, I mean, yeah, it's impossible

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Speaker 1: um and and how far any of this is going

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Speaker 1: to go. But I will say I didn't expect it

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Speaker 1: to get like this. Um. Like a lot of people

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Speaker 1: have been messaging me about, um, it could happen here

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Speaker 1: my podcast where I talked about this exact thing happening,

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Speaker 1: and like, oh my god, you were prophetic like you

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Speaker 1: predicted all this, and like, I'm still very surprised by

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Speaker 1: everything that's happening. I'm very surprised by how it's gone down.

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Speaker 1: Even though I did, like I did literally lay out

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Speaker 1: a lot of this very directly, the fact that it's

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Speaker 1: happening is still like deeply bizarre and it's surreal. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was, it could happen here, not it will, It

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Speaker 1: will happen here. Not a year to the day after

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Speaker 1: the episode, almost a year to the day after the

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Speaker 1: episode about the President sending tanks into an American city

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Speaker 1: under revolt. The President sent tanks into an American city

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Speaker 1: under vault for listeners, but for our listeners, just in

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Speaker 1: case you're not aware of what we're talking about, we

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Speaker 1: are talking about the murder of George Floyd and the

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Speaker 1: ensuing protests that have erupted all over this nation every

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Speaker 1: day for the past week. Just about I'm sure you

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Speaker 1: knew that. Yeah, I don't know what you're doing listening

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Speaker 1: to this podcast, but welcome. Yeah, there's there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of different things that we can talk about today. Um, Robert,

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Speaker 1: you have been on the ground in Portland's intensely covering

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Speaker 1: these protests. Last night being a truly remarkable number of

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Speaker 1: people showing up two more than ten thousand people. UM.

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Speaker 1: In l A. We have had protests all over the city. Uh.

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Speaker 1: of the different communities, communities that are never touched by

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Speaker 1: it sure is. UM. I think I've been tear gassed

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Speaker 1: I'm going to say that doesn't sound healthy. In three

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Speaker 1: because they were firing impact munitions at other people. UM.

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Speaker 1: I had a couple of flash bang grenades explode right

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Speaker 1: They've been throwing They've been just shooting the grenades at people.

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Speaker 1: I was with a tear gas grenade yesterday, UM, which

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Speaker 1: bounced up onto my leg. I'm curious if you're seeing

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Speaker 1: a change in the response in some capacity. So I

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Speaker 1: your live streams kept getting interrupted, so it was hard

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Speaker 1: But UM, up until that point, you had seen, from

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Speaker 1: I'm wrong, not wrong, But the police attempted to do

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Speaker 1: They we're seeing that behavior emulated by the police. Um.

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Speaker 1: So it's just, um, I don't even know the word.

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Speaker 1: to looters in the chaos, when what we're seeing in

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Speaker 1: I actually saw Chris Cuomo did a pretty good coverage.

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Speaker 1: was texting Cody while it happened, Like I honestly can't

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Speaker 1: saying like, I can't possibly look at the situation under

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Speaker 1: And it was really pretty powerful. I'm seeing it is

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Speaker 1: it creates um an easier and more digestible narrative. I

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Speaker 1: And people have said that quite a bit up until

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Speaker 1: Is that where we're going with now? Like, when you

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Speaker 1: But the whole idea is that it's not comfortable. It's

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Speaker 1: When this started in l A, I saw and had

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Speaker 1: like he wishes police were trained to shoot people in

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Speaker 1: the leg a loss, I can't like, I cannot think

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Speaker 1: of it. It is amazing that it's not thinking. I

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Speaker 1: cannot think. You couldn't write a better metaphor for the

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00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 1: two parties we have right now. Republicans shoot you in

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Speaker 1: the heart, Democrats shoot you in the leg and expect

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Speaker 1: you to thank them for it. It is amazing that

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Speaker 1: he just it's out loud. It's incredible, like that's that's

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Speaker 1: one of the most darkly humorous things that's happened during

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Speaker 1: and also frustrating just how many people are probably going, yeah,

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Speaker 1: good point, yep, yep, yeah yeah. But at least he's

438
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Speaker 1: not the freaking like what the Blasio walking around tweeting

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Speaker 1: like I saw some protests today. That was nice. It's

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Speaker 1: calm over there. Just saw It's been funny to see

441
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Speaker 1: like what famous people have risen to the occasion. I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have called John Cusack like getting beaten by the

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Speaker 1: police for his year. Let's John all right, John, Okay.

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Speaker 1: It's especially amazing because I I keep seeing people like

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00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 1: in response to that, like yeah, he was at protest.

446
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: You wanted to check it out, and he like got

447
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: like you can get like sucked up by the police,

448
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: but like, uh, just all these people being like, wow,

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Speaker 1: I didn't see this because John Cusack blocked me for

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Speaker 1: not supporting Hillary and the primary. What John, what happened?

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Speaker 1: The Louisville mayor just fired their police chief? I fucking hope.

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Speaker 1: So that'd be good news if that, if that has happened,

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Speaker 1: that is Louisville mayor fires police chief. Good. I have

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Speaker 1: a question. I have a question that's a little different

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Speaker 1: from this, but yeah, they fired the police chief. They're great. Um,

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Speaker 1: you talked earlier about how it was a PR stunt

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Speaker 1: to about all of the police kneeling. They were actually

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Speaker 1: putting on their gear, you know, their gas masks. Um,

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00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: there's a story of I believe it was a New

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Speaker 1: York precinct that kneeled and then later in the day

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Speaker 1: we're beating up protesters. Do you think that that's true

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Speaker 1: across the board, that this is a PR stunt every

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Speaker 1: police precinct that's doing it. Yeah, because that is something

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Speaker 1: that a lot of people bring up, like isn't this heartwarming?

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Speaker 1: And I want to like, in some way it is,

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Speaker 1: I guess you want. That's what you want from the cops,

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Speaker 1: except that it's covering up the actual story here. Yeah,

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00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: well so right, So like I see every day it's like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: here's this pr thing, and then later that night they're

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Speaker 1: just like fucking people up. UM. But I think there's

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Speaker 1: a it's important to make the distinction between um like

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Speaker 1: de escalation and solidarity um the way, because that's what

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Speaker 1: it is, for the most part, is a de escalation thing.

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Speaker 1: It's not like if if like I haven't seen a

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Speaker 1: moment where uh an officer was like, oh I quit, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: that's solidarity. If the police not like their gear and

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Speaker 1: m refusing to attack crowds and in leaving, whether or

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Speaker 1: not they quit, if they just, if they just leave,

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Speaker 1: if they just I would say, yeah, that that that

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Speaker 1: is they get. Then they'd get fired and would qualify

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Speaker 1: for unemployment too, and that they would also qualify In

482
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Speaker 1: my head, I would say the good cops right now,

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Speaker 1: if there are any, are the cops that have been

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Speaker 1: fired for refusing to do violence to citizens. The officer

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00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: that get fired are afforded every opportunity to clear their

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Speaker 1: name and regain their regain their lost jobs, and it happens,

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Speaker 1: getting fired doesn't mean much. Yeah, so many when those

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Speaker 1: four officers were fired, the statistic is that of fired

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Speaker 1: Minneapolis police officers rehired because the union goes to bad

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Speaker 1: for them. And I think there is a good chance

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Speaker 1: that the man who murdered George Floyd will not serve

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Speaker 1: any time for it. Yeah. When I say fired, I

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Speaker 1: mean there's a difference between a police officer that as

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Speaker 1: a leave of duty or is you know, ceremonially fired

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Speaker 1: for and then comes back to the job later, versus

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Speaker 1: if if a police officer decide to just say like

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Speaker 1: I'm out, I support there are police and I refused

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Speaker 1: to order, they will not be getting their jobs back.

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Speaker 1: You can bet that nobody's going to bat for them, right,

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that that's happened. I'm saying this

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Speaker 1: is a theoretical. But like, I can't count the number

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Speaker 1: of times I've seen people just be like, hey, this was,

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Speaker 1: here's these cops um kneeling with everybody and doing this

504
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: nice little moment, and then thirty minutes later they're shooting

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Speaker 1: him with tear gas and rubber bullets. It's a farce,

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Speaker 1: is what it is, but it is a it is

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Speaker 1: an effective de escalation tactic. Like I my talk to

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Speaker 1: my mom the other day, like she was like, what,

509
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: like what do they do? What do they do? I'm like, Oh,

510
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: they do this. This is how you de escalate a situation.

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Speaker 1: You let people protest um and you don't, they'll get

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Speaker 1: tired and they'll go home eventually. Robert, you mentioned earlier

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Speaker 1: that you don't know what will come of this, and

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Speaker 1: of course you don't, none of us. Also, we might

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Speaker 1: not be the people to theorize on this, in which

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Speaker 1: case we can cut it. I'm just what do we

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Speaker 1: think might come from this? What is the best case

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Speaker 1: scenario in the short term in the long term versus

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Speaker 1: the you know, reality of what will probably happen. Do

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Speaker 1: you guys think or is this not our place as

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00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: a bunch of no, no, no, it is. It's our

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00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: places American citizens to want to know what's going to happen,

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Speaker 1: to think about it that that's not it's not a

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Speaker 1: black or white thing, to want to know how this

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Speaker 1: is going to work out. I think that we are

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Speaker 1: what is what has happened? Well, the death, the murder

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Speaker 1: of George Floyd was the inciting incident. This is about

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Speaker 1: more than that, and what we are all being asked

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Speaker 1: as citizens right now is are we going to live

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Speaker 1: under a police state? Are we going to be people?

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Speaker 1: It's one of if there are two directions, we can

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Speaker 1: go from here, um in varying degrees and varying types.

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Speaker 1: But it's two directions and I don't Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 1: know the answer to that. Yeah, it's hard. It's hard

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Speaker 1: to wrap my mind around it because it's like, okay,

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Speaker 1: on the one level, uh, you know when you say

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Speaker 1: the most obvious thing, well, this man should be charged

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Speaker 1: at the appropriate level, as well as all the other officers,

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00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: and then you hear people saying like, well, that's not

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Speaker 1: going to happen because there are these protections in place,

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Speaker 1: and it's really difficult to get that prosecution. So it

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00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: makes more sense to do it this way. Fuck that,

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00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: let's change that. Change why it's so hard to prosecute

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00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: a cop for murdering someone. That's not okay to say

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00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: that's not going to happen. Fucking fix it. So there's

546
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: one thing I can say, but that's like a drop

547
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: in the bucket. I don't want to just be doing

548
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: things that play kate people for the for right now

549
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: without saying like there's some real dramatic reform that has

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00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: to happen, some real change, And that's what's easy to

551
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: get hung up on. I guess for some people, like

552
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: what is the endgame of this? Because it makes again

553
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: it's about comfort and uh and forgetting about it right,

554
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: Like I see that everywhere like well, yeah, they charge

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00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: the officer, so like you did it, why are you

556
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: still protesting? Like, well, it's deeper than that. That's the

557
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: point every time this happens. Do we want to have

558
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: like massive like unrest? Is that is that the game now?

559
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: Like Okay, in order to charge a cop, you gotta

560
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: do this, That's what they're saying basically, um, And it's

561
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: just a weird, like willful dismissal of the actual point,

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00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: Um that this is a thing that keeps happening and

563
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: it's uh worse now because the problem hasn't been taken

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Speaker 1: care of. And if you're just going to say, okay,

565
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,399
Speaker 1: well there are protests, so we're going to charge the cop,

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00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 1: that's not the point. That's not enough. That won't stop

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Speaker 1: the next George Floyd from getting murdered. I mean, the

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00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 1: next Church Floyd. A couple of them have been murdered

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Speaker 1: all already. I mean yes, of the last like twenty

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Speaker 1: four hours. The crackdown is um gonna get worse and worse.

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00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: I don't know where that's gonna ahead, Um, because there

572
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: is that like there are fewer of them quote than us.

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Speaker 1: Quote right, Robert, you tweeted something very true, which is

574
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Speaker 1: now the whole country knows just how easy it is

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Speaker 1: to take over a police precinct. I wouldn't say easy,

576
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: but possible. A thing that has happened now. Um. Yeah,

577
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: and if it's possible, it's easier than you would think. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:25,399
Speaker 1: it can be done. And the the actual power that

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Speaker 1: the police and even the military can exert over the

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Speaker 1: people of this country, Um, if the people are persistent,

581
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: um and and diligent and united, is not what you

582
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: would think it is. Because the police are can be

583
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: out are very outnumbered. The military certainly has the killing power,

584
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: but they don't have the will as a as a

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00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: force to just massacre tens of thousands of people. I'm

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00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: already saying I follow a number of people who are

587
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: active duty soldiers right now who are particularly horrified over

588
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: Republican leaders talking about quarter like I have a bunch

589
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: of people who are active duty soldiers like tweeting right

590
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 1: now saying that like that is a war crime. That's

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00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: not what we do. We can't do that on soldiers

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00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: and a foreign battlefield. You can't declare no quarter. It

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00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,879
Speaker 1: is a war crime. It is a violation of international law.

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Speaker 1: It's murder. I do believe certainly there are national Guards

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00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: people who have already proven willing to fire on protesters. UM.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think as a massive force. I think

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00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: there is. I think that if the protests continue to

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Speaker 1: escalate at the rate that they have for the next week, um,

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00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: two weeks, three weeks, four weeks, um, I think the

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00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 1: police will never get tired of hurting and killing people.

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00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: But I do think the military would hit a point

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00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 1: where they would say no. UM. I don't know if

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00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: it will get that far. Because the police may be

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Speaker 1: able to deploy enough violence to stop this, to crack

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00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: this down, um. The state, the government, you know, by

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00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 1: by going after quote unquote Antifa, may be able to

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00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: arrest and frighten enough people into hiding, and this may

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00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: all get um clamped. Know that that is a possibility,

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00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: but it doesn't appear to be as of as of

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Speaker 1: this Monday at Pacific standard time. I'm not seeing evidence

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00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: that it's slowing down nationwide. No, I don't think it neither.

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Speaker 1: I don't get the sense that it will. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm blown away by the helicopters and sirens going by

614
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: right now. And this isn't even a neighborhood where there

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00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: are protests. We're all I think we're all in different

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00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: areas in l A right now, and it's the same

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Speaker 1: where I'm to Katie. Wow, should we do we take

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00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: a quick break? Guys? Yeah, let's take a break and

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Speaker 1: circle back after a quick break. Just a quick one though,

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00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: just a quick one together. Everything alright. Um, So I've

621
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: been pretty open. I don't I don't always go on

622
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: rants about my own personal politics, but I've been pretty

623
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Speaker 1: open for a while that m I I personally identify

624
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: closer to an anarchist than anything else, you know, kind

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00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 1: of libertarian municipalism is the political system that I think

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Speaker 1: I would most like to live under, which is kind

627
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: of in a system that has come up with a

628
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 1: guy by a guy by the name of Murray book Chin,

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Speaker 1: and a version of it is in what I saw

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00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: enacted over in Rojava. And one of the things that

631
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 1: they had to deal with in Northeast Syria and Rojava

632
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: when the civil war kicked off and Isis rose up,

633
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: is that like the government just left and so suddenly

634
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: the police who had been there weren't there anymore. The

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00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,760
Speaker 1: thebat the secret police you know, kind of their equivalent

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00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: to the c I A FBI, were suddenly gone, and

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00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: they didn't replace it with the same thing um they have.

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00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: They don't have police like we have police over there.

639
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: They have the SISH which man checkpoints, um and are

640
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: the kind of the terrorism police, basically like military police,

641
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 1: and their job is to be an armed presence deal

642
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: with ISIS sleeper cells, because you know, there's violent people

643
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: who want to do harm to the citizenry and they

644
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: do need to be armed people to stop that. But

645
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: the us I should don't do like they don't pull

646
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: you over for speeding. They don't police you know, people

647
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: who were like like in their homes and stuff like.

648
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: That's not their job. Their job is to to stop violence.

649
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: Most of what we we think of his law enforcement

650
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: is done by groups of citizens, local communes and councils

651
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 1: that are like democratic groups that kind of are based

652
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: in neighborhoods UM, who provide patrols and security UM and

653
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,720
Speaker 1: deal with problems of violence, you know, when there's domestic

654
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: violence or something like that. UM. There is a court

655
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: system that things can get escalated to. But the general

656
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: idea is that number one, neighborhoods are policed and and

657
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: kept safe by the people who live in those neighborhoods.

658
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: And number two, UM, things are only escalated to courts

659
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: when people in a local area can't solve a problem. UM.

660
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: So that that's the system I like, and it's the

661
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: system we outline in the Women's War, And it kind

662
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: of gets in with with people ask like what can

663
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 1: we do about these about what's happening with the police?

664
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: And I have two answers, you know. One of them

665
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: is sort of the what do I think is reasonable

666
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: and to agitate for in a way that like we

667
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: can actually I think we have a decent chance of

668
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: maybe making happen UM. And that would be that the

669
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: officers in Minneapolis who killed George Floyd all be jailed

670
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: and tried UM and convicted because they're guilty UM, and

671
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: that officers around the country in places like Louisville, places

672
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: like Portland, places like Los Angeles, d C. Who have

673
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 1: been caught on video assaulting people, breaking the law, beating

674
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: people unlawfully be prosecuted. Um. And that a system of

675
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: civilian review boards be put up around the nation so

676
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: that police are being policed by civilians. Um. So that's

677
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: what I think is a reasonable thing to demand that

678
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: we could actually make happen. What do I really want though, Um,

679
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: I'm a police abolitionist. I do not want police. I

680
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: don't think we need them there. I think there are

681
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: certain jobs that the police do that are necessary. For example,

682
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: we need detectives. When people are murdered, somebody should figure

683
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: out who did the murder, right, that's a that's a

684
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: job that should exist. And I want somebody that I

685
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: can call if I'm being raped. You know, yes, I'm

686
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: being attacked, and there should be uh, you know, some someone.

687
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: But but I don't see. I don't see that the

688
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 1: people investigating murders or the people who will respond if

689
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: you are having violence under you should be, for example,

690
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: the same people who try to make sure that people

691
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:28,479
Speaker 1: aren't driving drunk on the road. Yeah, there's a whole

692
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: conversation right now, about the l A city budget right

693
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: about how uh in the wake of COVID, all these programs, education,

694
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: to schools, everything is being defunded, but the police force

695
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 1: is getting a raise. Um and and they talk about

696
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 1: it like, well, you know the thing about the police

697
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: forces that we've got to have people that are trained

698
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: as trauma responses, you know, for her different crisis. How

699
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: help her, you know, all this stuff, and that's not

700
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: what they should be doing. We need people that are there,

701
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: you know, social workers. I saw this point. Social workers

702
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: don't show up with a gun, like that's not a

703
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: police that that's not what I want those detectives, those

704
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: officers to be doing. Well. And here is another thing Katie,

705
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: that is uncomfortable to talk about but necessary. If you

706
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 1: are being raped, the police won't stop it. That almost

707
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: that that is a thing that virtually never occurs. The

708
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: police can attempt to prosecute people and catch them after

709
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: the rape has been committed, but that also is pretty rare.

710
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: I mean, look, even as I was saying that, I

711
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: was like, would go to the police, you know, I

712
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: mean I would because I feel like it's a duty, uh,

713
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: you know, to report what happened. But it's like, how

714
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: effective is that now. I had an experience fairly recently

715
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 1: where I was being harassed by someone online and it

716
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: was really unnerving, and I filed a police report and

717
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: I was really grateful that they gave me UM the

718
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: time of day, that they paid attention. I'm a white woman.

719
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 1: I'm sure that factored something into it, and UM also

720
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,959
Speaker 1: and nothing really then, but it was also uncomfortable because

721
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: they were asking me questions that it was like, well,

722
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: actually that's pretty personal and I don't need to go

723
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 1: into that information with you. I don't think for the

724
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: purposes of this UM and I don't know, it's just

725
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: all fucked up. I can cut that actually probably, no, no, no,

726
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: that's actually you know Vermin Supreme, who is one of

727
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: the only men in American politics I've ever respected in

728
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: my life because I've been in it's spent a lot

729
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 1: of time or in protests with Vermin watching him keep

730
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: people safe. He has a little chant. He likes to

731
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 1: sing ah. He likes to get the crowd singing UM

732
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 1: when things get tense and the chant goes ships fucked

733
00:43:54,880 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: up in bullshit, Yes it is um, ship's fucked up bullshit,

734
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: Yes it is. Getting the whole crowd chanting that it

735
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 1: really is nice and accurate. Yeah. Um, I just feel

736
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: like there's a video of a guy doing a different

737
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: version of that. That's just like a song that's just

738
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 1: Ship's fucked up over and over and over. It's very catchy.

739
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no that there's a great war in Zevon

740
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: song called My Ship's Fucked Up. It's it's about it's

741
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: cancer diagnosis. Actually, yeah, I went to the doctor. I

742
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: was feeling kind of rough. He said, let me break

743
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 1: it to your son, your Ship's fucked up. It's a

744
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: great song. Think of a different one then, but it's

745
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: always important to remember that ship's fucked up. Um. Yeah,

746
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: ship is fucked up in bullshit and we shouldn't be

747
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: okay with it. And um, you know people were asking

748
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: by either that's something that yeah, it's it's just still

749
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: surreal to see just like why did the police use

750
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: tear gas? Excuse me? Like are you new? And like

751
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: how new are you? It's just a very uh, I

752
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: don't know. We need it's uncomfortable, it is. We need

753
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: to see that, you know, we need to see what's

754
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: happening everywhere and what their potential is if you push

755
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: back on something that in the grand scheme of things.

756
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 1: I mean, this is not in any scheme of things.

757
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: This is a thing that we should be pushing back on.

758
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: This is what we should have been pushing back on

759
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: all along, and and this is the response. I had

760
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: a lot of people asking me on the live stream

761
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: last night, like, hey, I'm and I had. I had

762
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: a lot of people I lost count come up to

763
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: me during the actual march and say they were out

764
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: because of the streams that they've been watching that I've

765
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: been filming. But also people who you know, were in

766
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: other parts of the country were being like, I want

767
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: to get involved, I want to go to a protest,

768
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: but I'm scared. Can you give me any advice? And

769
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: I kind of want to end on on that. Um,

770
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: My first piece of advice is that it is scary

771
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: to be out there. It is scary to be shot

772
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: at by police. It is scary to not know if

773
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 1: they will let you disperse or if they will beat

774
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: and arrest you. It is scary to not know what

775
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: will happen if you wind up in a cell. It

776
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: is scary. Um. They are unpredictable, rabid dogs, and they

777
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 1: are scary to be around. Um, but it is important

778
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: that you get out there and you exercise your legal

779
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: and constitutionally guaranteed right to register your discontent with this situation. UM.

780
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: So again some basic advice for being out in a

781
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: protest like that. Number one. There will always be medics. Uh.

782
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: Medics are good people to rally around. You know, if

783
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: the crowd gets dispersed in situations of chaos, because they

784
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: are helpful people who generally have experience, it will be

785
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: the ones with the big medic sign on their back. Um.

786
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: Water is what you used to wash out tear gas.

787
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: Pour it over your eyes with them closed briefly, then

788
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: open your eyes and continue pouring. Um. Flash bangs are frightening,

789
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: but they do will not harm you generally. UM, So,

790
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 1: just don't panic and stampede. I I want to chime

791
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: in and just say thank you. I I tweeted this,

792
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: so a lot of our fault listeners probably saw it

793
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 1: as well. But I used that. I took that to

794
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: heart when you said that before. And there was a

795
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: big flash bang right by me and everybody panicked and

796
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: started to run, and the people immediately around me, I

797
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: was like, don't run, don't run, it's just a flash

798
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,479
Speaker 1: bang and someone's like, what's a flash bang? I said,

799
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:30,760
Speaker 1: it's loud. That's what it is. Rubber bullets. There's nothing

800
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: to do but try to protect your head. Wear a

801
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: helmet if you have one, If you can, you know

802
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: that that's the only thing that will protect you from

803
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: a rubber bullet. Um. It's not a bad idea if

804
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: you can safely do so to where you know, if

805
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: you have kevlar to wear it and for body blows.

806
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: But if you do that, wear it on the outside

807
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: of your clothes and make it very clear that you're

808
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: a protester, not an undercover police officer, because people get

809
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: kind of jittery and paranoid, and there's always disinformation that

810
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:58,439
Speaker 1: kind of spreads at these events too. Um. Yeah, that's

811
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: that would be my basic advice in and get out there.

812
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: Know that it is scary, um, but that it's not

813
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: always safe to be free. And I'll also say parts

814
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: of it are inspiring too. Yeah. I've never felt threatened

815
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: by a crowd in a crowd at one of these

816
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,760
Speaker 1: types of events, even at riots. The people at riots

817
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: are always very nice and very kind and very supportive

818
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: of each other, and there is a lot of mutual

819
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: aid and taking care of each other. Like a lot

820
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: of this has been described as anarchy. Then there will

821
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: be a picture of like people being gassed and stuff,

822
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: and those photos of like munitions flying through the air

823
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 1: and people fighting. That's not anarchy. Anarchy is the street

824
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: medic clearing your eyes of tear gas? Law and order?

825
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 1: Are the police rolling around in vehicles firing wildly at

826
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: strangers with impact munitions? Um? Yeah, I just can't that

827
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: stuff that like the the the anarchists are trying to

828
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: do the violence, like most of them literally are there

829
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,240
Speaker 1: to help people who get hurt. I don't know. Apparently

830
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 1: the president is giving a speech right now where you

831
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: can hear tear gas being fired off in the distance.

832
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: Very cool. Um Oh. A quick note on the rubber

833
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 1: bullets that I I said that during I think during

834
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: the break that I just it's something to think about,

835
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 1: um in regards to a problem with cops, whether they

836
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: get trained poorly or are violent thugs. Rubber bullets are

837
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: meant to be shot at the ground so that they

838
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: bounce up and then like hit you in the legs

839
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 1: or something like that. They're very big and if you'll

840
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: notice their video after video of people getting shot in

841
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: the chest, of cops literally holding up the gun pointing

842
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: them at people's faces and shooting them in the throat

843
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: or the eye. That's not how they're supposed to be used. Um.

844
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 1: I would posit that they know that and they don't care. Um,

845
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: but if they don't know that, maybe train cops better.

846
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe train cops better. UM. You know.

847
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 1: There there's there's the I always try to split things

848
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: in my head between like what I want as a

849
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 1: person who believes the things I believe to be done,

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Speaker 1: and then what I am I think is reasonable to

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Speaker 1: can't just like I don't think it's always a particularly

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Speaker 1: good idea to just like push for whatever it is

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Speaker 1: you happen to believe, even if it's something that you

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Speaker 1: know you're not going to get enough other people on

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Speaker 1: board with. I do think sometimes that needs to be done, because,

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Speaker 1: for example, that's how the abolition movement started. UM, so

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Speaker 1: maybe that is what we need. Like I am in

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Speaker 1: a police and a prison abolitionist at the same time, like, um,

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Speaker 1: there's a more moderate set of goals that would make

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Speaker 1: things better and save lives right now. And if I

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Speaker 1: I tend to err on the side of whatever I

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Speaker 1: think will reduce the number of people getting hurt and killed,

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Speaker 1: that's what I will push for in the moment. All right,

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Speaker 1: Well do that do it for us today? Mm hmm

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Speaker 1: yeah today? Yeah, so good luck, godspeed you guys. Be

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Speaker 1: safe home if you can when you can utilize your

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Speaker 1: legal right to register your discontent. Yeah, take care of

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Speaker 1: each other. Fuck this ship, this sucked up. Suck it

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Speaker 1: follow us online at worst. I will say I do

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Speaker 1: love the Twitter, and I have to think it must

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Speaker 1: have been Jack Dorsey who had because I can't see

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Speaker 1: a random Twitter employee making the statement, referring last night

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Speaker 1: after the news broke that the president had been taken

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Speaker 1: to a bunker, referring to it as the Presidential Palace. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: does anybody know if they take Miladia and the kid

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Speaker 1: but I love it. So okay, So everyone was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: they turned off the lights. It's like when you're it's

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Speaker 1: Halloween and you want people to go away. Because you

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Speaker 1: don't have any candy, right, Um, and uh, I couldn't.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't stop thinking about an old story about President Trump. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's from a book from to Washington Post reporters from

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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, and how he would in

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Speaker 1: like the eighties and nineties, he would go on these

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Speaker 1: these extravagant dates with women to like go out and

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Speaker 1: get be seen like, oh, I look, it's Trump with

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Speaker 1: a beautiful woman in a restaurant, and he would take

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Speaker 1: them back to his place and leave the woman in

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Speaker 1: the living room to watch TV and he would go

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Speaker 1: into the other room and eat a big bowl of

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Speaker 1: candy by himself. And I it's irrelevant, it does not matter.

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Speaker 1: He's a f cody. That was a very important point

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Speaker 1: to make. And it's so funny. Alright, guys, we're going

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Speaker 1: to get back later, either this week or next. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. Everything so dumb. Everything's so dumb, and it's

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Speaker 1: not again. N I tread. Daniel Worst Year Ever is

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