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Speaker 1: He was injured last season. Stafford's just a weathered thirty five.

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Speaker 1: Any Detroit Lion fans knows he got the shit kicked

429
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Speaker 1: out of him for years. And I have a lot

430
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Speaker 1: of admiration for Stafford's toughness, his gritty, obviously, his fit,

431
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, his arms elite. That's why a lot of

432
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 1: people rooted for him. It's like, God, this guy kind

433
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 1: of looks like a Farvian lion here, but he was

434
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 1: just getting peppered and he's not your typical like thirty

435
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,360
Speaker 1: five year old in the NFL. Some of these guys,

436
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: like when when Mahomes gets there, when Burrow gets there,

437
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 1: when Herbert, when Lawrence, when they get to thirty five,

438
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 1: they're not going to be his weather. To Stafford, they

439
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,959
Speaker 1: played in the league that protected them there, and some

440
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 1: of those guys are obviously have bad injuries. Stafford came

441
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 1: into the league in a time where it still looked

442
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,360
Speaker 1: a lot closer to like the nineteen eighty five Bears,

443
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,880
Speaker 1: where people could get decleted. There was no defenseless receiver.

444
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 1: You know why, he was just called a receiver. There

445
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 1: was no helmet to helmet. It was just called a tackle.

446
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 1: So the football I grew up on and loved, and

447
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 1: I've said forever I understand why the NFL regulated it

448
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 1: out and just got away from that one. Obviously CTE

449
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 1: the lawsuits and just they have to keep their quarterbacks upright.

450
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: But one of the most famous Stafford clips is a

451
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 1: lion is that moment it's either a shoulder or rib

452
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 1: against the Browns, he gets destroyed. It's like he couldn't

453
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: even barely move and he found a way to win

454
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 1: the game. It's like a legendary clip. And that that's

455
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 1: different NFL than now. So this is gonna be a

456
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 1: big story. I can't like whatever. I probably don't have

457
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,239
Speaker 1: that much in common with a twenty two year old.

458
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: It's honestly pretty remarkable. I always thought this about coaches,

459
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: how a guy sixty three years old could get so

460
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,679
Speaker 1: close to someone twenty years old. It's now usually they

461
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 1: got to be good players, but coaches are good at it.

462
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 1: It's it's harder and harder to relate to people that

463
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 1: grew up dramatically different than you in terms of the

464
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: way they look at the world with technology. But that's

465
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 1: just not this. The rams problem is they stink and

466
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 1: Stafford is just probably gonna get hurt and they're probably

467
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 1: not gonna win many games, you know, So this story

468
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 1: is gonna be big for a couple of days. Who cares,

469
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Part of the problem is he has

470
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,199
Speaker 1: to learn these guys' names because they're probably fringe NFL players.

471
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: He didn't have to learn Jalen Ramsey's name or Todd

472
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: Gurley's name. I guess Todd wasn't on the team, but

473
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, right, he didn't. Andrew Whitworth,

474
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Speaker 1: Nice to meet you. I already know who you are,

475
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: so yeah, you just mcveigh's got to learn to be

476
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: a little less emotional when he signs these contracts, and

477
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 1: they just this is going to be a long season.

478
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Speaker 1: It really is. One thing that's about to happen, is

479
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 1: and some of it's slowly been happening, is you're gonna

480
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Speaker 1: cut your roster. You know, not every teams at ninety

481
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Speaker 1: but between eighty five and ninety guys now to fifty

482
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: three man right, and they will quote unquote be your

483
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Speaker 1: official roster, which is obviously very fluid. And just because

484
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Speaker 1: you make the roster on Tuesday or Wednesday does not

485
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Speaker 1: mean you're gonna play week one, does not even mean

486
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Speaker 1: you're gonna make it the practice next Monday. Right, Guys

487
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: are getting cut, guys are getting claimed. But I was

488
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 1: reading Peter King and he had a good point. He said,

489
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Speaker 1: a GM told him, we don't look at it like

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Speaker 1: fifty three guys. We look at it like a sixty

491
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Speaker 1: nine man roster. And it's so true. Obviously, if you

492
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Speaker 1: make the fifty three man roster, it's it's an incredible accomplishment,

493
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: especially as a late round pick, as an undrafted free agent.

494
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Speaker 1: It's just an incredible moment for you individually, for the

495
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: program that you came from, for your family, it's awesome.

496
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Speaker 1: But making the roster tomorrow or Wednesday is a lot

497
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: different than actually playing in a game this year. But

498
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: just because you make a roster, some guys never see action.

499
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:43,199
Speaker 1: Some guys are inactive every single week. Some guys, you know,

500
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Speaker 1: get to play week one, you know, especially if you're

501
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: a high round pick, but you never know. It's a

502
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: very fluid situation. But I thought about like it is

503
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Speaker 1: a sixty nine man roster because the NFL, the amount

504
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: of guys that get injured, the amount of teams that

505
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 1: underwhelm and just bench guys. Most guys on your roster

506
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 1: are not Matt Stafford or Aaron Donald. They aren't just

507
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: on scholarship, are being paid so much money no matter what,

508
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 1: are just gonna play right. And when I say Aaron,

509
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 1: obviously he deserves to play. But like the only way

510
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 1: Matt Stafford is not playing is injury. That's what I

511
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: say about Dak Prescott, like the Trey Lance isn't sniffing

512
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: the field. If Dak Prescott can play on Sundays, even

513
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: if he's banged up, if Dak Prescott is physically able

514
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: to play Sundays, he's a seventeen game starter. Does not

515
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: come out most positions, though, half the league is gonna

516
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 1: go under five hundred, meaning that they're gonna have some

517
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 1: rough stretches, rough losses. Well, most of the guys in

518
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 1: the league are on easy contracts to replace. You're not

519
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: paying that much money. You go, let's bench this guy,

520
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 1: let's cut this guy. And when you do that, the

521
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: sixteen guys on your practice squad, usually one of them

522
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: gets elevated and those guys get a chance to play.

523
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: So while it sucks relative to making the team to

524
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: get cut and then having to go to a practice

525
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: squad relative to the rest of America, pretty good. You

526
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: get paid eleven point five thousand dollars a week if

527
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: you now, it's a week by week contract, so you're

528
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: not guaranteed to make the whole season. You can be

529
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,479
Speaker 1: cut at any moment, but if you play the entire season,

530
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: you make over two hundred thousand dollars, So relative to

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Speaker 1: most of your peers, like most twenty two year olds

532
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: who aren't technically on an NFL roster, two hundred thousand

533
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: dollars pretty good. But if you get called up and

534
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 1: you get your opportunity, which a large percentage of these

535
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: people get. If you think about the ninety man rosters.

536
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this the other day, I would

537
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Speaker 1: say probably on average there is somewhere between like seventy

538
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: five and over just probably don't have any business being

539
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: in the NFL. They're just kind of filling. You know,

540
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: they played in college, but they're not NFL players. They're

541
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: kind of tweeners. Like in baseball they call it like

542
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: the four A guy. Yes, right, they're good enough for TRIPLEA,

543
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: but they're definitely not good enough for the majors. So

544
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: that's a lot of guys, right, you're good enough in

545
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: training camp, the position coaches like you. You play in

546
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter of the preseason games, but you're never

547
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: going to be good enough to play the NFL. They

548
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: don't even honestly really want you for the practice squad.

549
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: They definitely don't want you for your fifty three AAP man.

550
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: Then there's the group from like fifty four to seventy

551
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,959
Speaker 1: five that are all like a snap or two away

552
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: from a year of improvement, from being a backup on

553
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: an NFL team, from having a five to seven year career.

554
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,479
Speaker 1: Every single guy in the NFL, we say this all

555
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: the time about the backup quarterback one snap away. Well,

556
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: if you're on a practice squad, you're literally a bad

557
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: couple games or a couple injuries away from being the starter.

558
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: You're an injury away from getting called up and being

559
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: the backup. So I see a lot of players, and

560
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of you listening fall guys on Instagram,

561
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: fall guys on Twitter. They get very sensitive, like be

562
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: very you know, did you just treat these guys like humans? Right?

563
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: Don't be like, oh yeah, this guy got cut, he sucks.

564
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: And I agree, But most of these guys getting cut

565
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: aren't like being told you're done, give me your key card,

566
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: give me your playbook, get the hell out of our building.

567
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: They're literally being told, keep your playbook, we want to

568
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: resign you. We hope no one else wants to sign

569
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: you for the practice squad, show up tomorrow. That is

570
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: sixteen guys a team. I mean, you're talking there's a

571
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Speaker 1: lot of people one hundred and sixty times or I

572
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: mean sixteen times thirty two. You're talking a lot of

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Speaker 1: players that played in the preseason. While they're being cut,

574
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: they're still being hey, we want to give you two

575
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars and we just need you to show

576
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: you can improve to an X, Y or Z, and

577
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: if there's an injury, if there is underwhelming play at

578
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: your position, we think that you could help us out

579
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Speaker 1: this season. So this notion that I think a lot

580
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: of players when they throw this out there, everyone getting cut,

581
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: nobody wants them. That's just bullshit. That's just not the case.

582
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: From fifty four to sixty nine, those are guys that

583
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: you want around, and really you view you when you

584
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: resign a guy to practice squad, you have to view

585
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: them as having upside to make your roster. If you don't,

586
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,479
Speaker 1: you try to sign someone else. And once I cut you,

587
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: obviously I can claim you. But if I don't want

588
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: to claim you because I have to put you on

589
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: the fifty three man roster, I can sign other guys

590
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: that go unclaim to my practice squad. So I go, hey,

591
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: we have this corner on our team, but this corner

592
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: on the Patriots who Bill cut. We'd rather have that

593
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: guy on our practice squad. And hell, you can offer

594
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: more than eleven to five a week. You could offer

595
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: the rookie minimum. Now, obviously, to make a team as

596
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: a rookie, the lowest amount you can make is seven

597
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty grand, So there is a big gap

598
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: from two hundred grand and seven to fifty Last time

599
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,719
Speaker 1: I check, that's almost four x. So I'm not acting

600
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: like you don't want to make the roster. Clearly that's

601
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: the goal of every young player in a training camp.

602
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: My ultimate point is being cut over the next twenty

603
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: four forty eight hours and being told you got to

604
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: come back on practice squad is not the end of

605
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: the world. I mean, you are. You're closer to playing

606
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: by like week two than you ever realize and it's

607
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: gonna be all over the internet devastation. It's not that

608
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: bad if you're in that group, which, as we just

609
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: did the math, over half the guys on every team

610
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: getting cut are in that group. Let's dive into a

611
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: little mail bag. You guys know the drill at John

612
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: Middlecoff at John Middlecoff is the Instagram Fire in those

613
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: dms and get your question answered. Here a little thing

614
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: we call the Three and Out Podcast. Start with Seid

615
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: not a question, but I'm pretty tired of all the

616
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: outrage over the Niners and these people like Ryan Clark

617
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: asking when will leadership be held accountable for the Trey

618
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: Lance debacle. To me, that's like being critical with Mark

619
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: Cuban because he's had some bad investments along the way

620
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: that lost some money, instead of focusing on the big

621
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: picture that he's a freaking billionaire. Anyway, love the pod,

622
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: Go Niners, don't hate your analogy. I would say the

623
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: equivalent of a billionaire in the GM coaches fhere would

624
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: be Super Bowl champs. So if you want to be

625
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: critical that they can't get over the hump, but I'm

626
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: with you. Like football, the train moves on. Hurdy's way better.

627
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: They like Sam Darnold dramatically more, and they don't think

628
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: Trey Lance is any good. And I give you a

629
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Speaker 1: lot of credit no matter what industry you're in, especially

630
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: in sports, when you invest a lot, and in football

631
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: with a young player, it's always going to be a

632
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: big draft trade. It doesn't work out. You pivot. The

633
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: faster you pivot, the faster it is to move on.

634
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: It's very, very difficult in the Stafford situation if he

635
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: ends up getting injured and can't relate to anybody, and

636
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: it's just kind of over. Like ultimately Sean Payton, even

637
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: if he does move on from Russell Wilson, if it

638
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: turns out he's actually watched, you're kind of stuck. Like

639
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: you can attempt to move on, but that albertross of

640
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: a contract on your books limits you. With these rookie quarterbacks,

641
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: We've been talking about this now for a couple of weeks.

642
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 1: If you're gonna miss now, don't miss on the trade

643
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: to acquire the player because of what it does to

644
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: your limit your ability to make moves with the salary

645
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: cap right, and sometimes that's injury too. Like I think

646
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey has been one of the better corners in

647
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: the league last decade. But once you trade for him

648
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: and he gets injured, like that's pretty devastating. Obviously he

649
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: doesn't want to get injured, but the impact of that

650
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: contract giving you nothing is hard. Now. Luckily, with most players,

651
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: non quarterbacks, you're only stuck for a year or two.

652
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,439
Speaker 1: With these quarterbacks, it's a problem, right, Trey Lance wasn't

653
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: They moved off the contract pretty easily for a fourth

654
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 1: round pick for a guy that was their third quarterback.

655
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: And like I said, with the Cowboys, totally understand it.

656
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: Taking a flyer, Jerry's a wheeler and a dealer. Whatever

657
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 1: works great, If not, screw it, we'll move on. We're

658
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: not really that obligated. But I'm with you held accountable.

659
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 1: What the fuck does that mean that they're rattling off wins.

660
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: I'm a big Mike Tomlin guy, and I think the

661
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: Steelers picking them to win the division. If you wanted

662
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: to be critical, it's like, what's going on there? We

663
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: got to start to win some playoff games. It's time

664
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: to win some playoff games, John Harbaugh, We're gonna win

665
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: twelve thirteen games now we're paying Lamar. This guy's winning

666
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 1: He's won four playoff games last two years. Kot Aaron

667
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 1: Rodgers two years ago on the road, lambeau Field, beat

668
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy two years in a row, once at home,

669
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: once on the road, swept Pete Carroll last year. I

670
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: had put a couple grand on him to win the

671
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: NFC Championship, and I felt pretty good about it until

672
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: the second snap of the game. And maybe it was

673
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: the third snap of the game and Perdy got injured.

674
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: So like held accountable. The whole point of this sport

675
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: is to win. That's the whole point of this thing.

676
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: I don't care what you do in free agency. I

677
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,240
Speaker 1: don't care. I don't care. You could pay Russell Wilson

678
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: seven hundred million dollars if the Broncos were winning fourteen

679
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: games a year, No one would give a shit, No

680
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: one would care. I always love this, like the GM,

681
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: the point that they got to be great at drafting. Yeah,

682
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: they also got other rules. They're usually in charge of

683
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: hiring the coach. They're also usually in charge of free agency,

684
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: like the Ultimately, the goal of a GM, of a coach,

685
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: of any executive in sports is to figure out a

686
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: way to get a winner, whether that's landing Kevin Durant

687
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: or Peyton Manning in free agency or wheeling and Delan

688
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 1: in the draft. But we judge you on the results.

689
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: It's the best part of sports. It's the best part

690
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: of football. All of our jobs, right, all of our

691
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: jobs can be very fluid in how you judge it,

692
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: Like in mind, like how many people are listening? How

693
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:02,439
Speaker 1: much revenue were general? But we also we always could

694
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: be like, well, could we get increase that by ten percent?

695
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: Can we increase that by twenty percent? Can we improve

696
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: can we double our revenue? Can we get two more

697
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:16,479
Speaker 1: sponsors to pay premiums? I mean, we always can search

698
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 1: for more. You could be Google, Apple or Costco and

699
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: want to make more money, right, But in football it's

700
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,240
Speaker 1: like can the Chiefs do anymore? Three Super Bowls? Five years,

701
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: two wins, whether you win twelve games or fourteen games.

702
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 1: If you win the Super Bowl success I've been saying

703
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: it forever. The Eagles last year successful season, Think how

704
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: they got there. They paid Carson Wentz a boatload of

705
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: money and within a couple of years they had pivoted.

706
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: They drafted Jalen Rager over Justin Jefferson. A couple of

707
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: years later they land aj Brown trade Rager. None of

708
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: it matters. None of it matters because they're winning. That's

709
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: all that Batters think how shitty Tampa was forever they

710
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: drafted Jamie Wins the number one overall. I always kind

711
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: of rooted for Jamis in terms of the player. From

712
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 1: an entertainment standpoint, that's a bad pick. It's just he's

713
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: a backup quarterback. But they landed Tom Brady, then they

714
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl, and then they hosted a playoff

715
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: like it was successful. They did they think they were

716
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: gonna end up that way probably in twenty eighteen. Of

717
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: course not, but sometimes you do. The whole point of

718
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 1: this whole thing is to win. There's a golf question.

719
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: I think America's in trouble for the Ryder Cup. If

720
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: you like golf, I think I think we're gonna lose.

721
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: A question for the Pod being at the forty nine

722
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: ers are in win now mode. Can you see a

723
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: scenario where Perty has a short lease if they start

724
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: two and four? Can you see Shanahan going to the

725
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: bullpen and throwing Darnold out? Curious on your thoughts one

726
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 1: thousand percent, like they believe in party. They really think

727
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: highly a party the team. Wait one thing, if you've noticed,

728
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: and I think it feels like sometimes I'm shitting on

729
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: Trey Lance, like this is a big boy business. He's

730
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: paid a premium, we're talking about him as a player.

731
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 1: I just don't think he's any good. But one reason

732
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: I feel pretty confident, like being pretty negative about the

733
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: player because I don't think anyone on the team think

734
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 1: he's any good. And the forty nine ers are littered

735
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: with core star, all pro Pro bowl level guys, not

736
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: the fake Tyler Huntley Pro Bowls, but real Pro bowlers.

737
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: None of them complained, none of them cared, honestly. They

738
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: all talk about party, and they did last year with

739
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo. Last year when Lance got hurt, which no

740
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: one was rooting for, and Jimmy came in, they threw

741
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 1: him a fucking party on the field. You know why,

742
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: cause these guys are trying to win and they didn't

743
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: think Lance was that good. Right, So Purdy, I think

744
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: has a I think in twenty twenty two, I don't

745
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: think Trey Lance would have made it like past September.

746
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: I think they would have started really slow and they

747
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: would have gone to the Bullpen and Jimmy Garoppolo. Well,

748
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: never know, but I feel pretty confident in that if

749
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: it had played out they had started slow, and they

750
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: definitely did. I mean they lost the Bears Week one,

751
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: it would have been difficult for them. Kyle just would

752
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: have gone to Jimmy Garoppolo. I think Party has a

753
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: longer leash because he proved in playoff games toughness with

754
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: I forget the injury a rib or abductor or something

755
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: on a short week in Seattle. Kyle talked about it

756
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: on some podcasts this offseason. Kyle like Sam Darnald in

757
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: this notion of like Sam, Donald sucks yeah for the Jets,

758
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: Adam Gase. Everyone does and listen. He may turn out

759
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: to not be good, but Kyle Shanahan goes, if you

760
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: give me a decent, decent quarterback with some ability. Donald

761
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: is athletic and he has a big arm. I can

762
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: turn you into something, not a soul. Last year on

763
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: you know, heading into Week one, thought anything of Party.

764
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: Now he made the forty nine ers. I'm not saying

765
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers didn't think Kylie of them, but

766
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 1: no one around the league thought that he could become

767
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers starting corps back at a point

768
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: in the season, rattle off wins and he proved it right.

769
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 1: And it's what makes the draft so fascinating. You never

770
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: you never really know, like things change pretty quick. Would

771
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: love to hear some college football before the first week

772
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: this week. Power of Mannings Arch is seventeen years old,

773
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: making three million to ride the Pine. We will dive

774
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: into college football a little later in this week. I

775
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: have already kind of a big take that I think

776
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: I alluded to it a little bit with USC. I

777
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: think I'll pick my final four. I think I got

778
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: a little bit of a sleeper relative to sleepers. I

779
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 1: mean only, let's face it, I would say fifteen teams

780
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 1: have a legit chance to make the playoffs, and after

781
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks it'll be clear. Probably it's that

782
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,919
Speaker 1: number might be closer to ten. But I'm really really

783
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: excited for college football. So this he basically sent me

784
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: a visual of the top and il valuations. I do

785
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: think the hard part about this. It has Arch making

786
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 1: three million, Caleb making two and a half, bo Nicks

787
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: making one to seven, Travis Hunter and Drake May making

788
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: one to five, Dion's kid making one three Marvin Harrison

789
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:20,439
Speaker 1: making over a million. I don't always believe these numbers, right,

790
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: and honestly, some of them might be higher and some

791
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: of them might be lower. I just through doing this

792
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: for a living, I know a lot of guys that

793
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: I've talked about this before, Like, they have these jobs

794
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: called basically gms for college football teams. Now, ultimately the

795
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: coach is in charge of player personnel, but they have

796
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: gms who set the board, who run the transfer portal,

797
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: and who work hand at hand with the coach a

798
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: lot like they do in the NFL and bullshitting with

799
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: them over the last twelve months, A lot of them say,

800
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 1: some of these nil numbers are just so off base,

801
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 1: Like there is a small small segment of guys and

802
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: these are obviously the names, but these numbers are not public, right,

803
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 1: Like just pick an athlete Steph Curry, Aaron Judge, Shoe

804
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: a Otani, Aaron Donald, you name it. We know exactly

805
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: how much they're making on the field. But once you

806
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: get to know, like I get to know agents or

807
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: marketing people, the numbers you hear off the field are

808
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: always like, well he got paid X for this campaign

809
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: or in the neighborhood of like Aaron Rodgers, how much

810
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,240
Speaker 1: does he make for State parm A couple million? Ten million?

811
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes Oakley, Like you don't truly know. Obviously the

812
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: player does. But if you just listen, like if you

813
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,399
Speaker 1: just talk to people about those numbers, they're always kind

814
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: of fluid and no one can ever get an exact number.

815
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: And that's what I think NIL is a little bit

816
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 1: is there are a lot of numbers that get floated

817
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: around the colleges wanted out. The numbers are super high,

818
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 1: but I don't always believe them right. And I got

819
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: no problem with any of these guys make it as

820
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: much win as they can. But I'd be very, very

821
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: fascinated with some of these deals. You know, what's the

822
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: kid gonna do? It's one thing with Arch Manning or

823
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams. It's another thing, like, you know, I committed

824
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: to pay a guy on let's just pick a Team

825
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: Washington a couple hundred grand. What if the company only

826
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: pays him seventy eight thousand dollars, what's he gonna do

827
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 1: Sue them? I think there are a lot of shady

828
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 1: stories behind the scenes on how some of the shit's

829
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: going down. Because the team and the program is not

830
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: the one cutting the checks. I've been listening since you. Sorry,

831
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,919
Speaker 1: let me, I can't even speak. I've been listening since

832
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: you were the only one with the stones to say

833
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: Kaepernick was not any good. My question is, why does

834
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 1: Sean Payton get a pass as such a great coach

835
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: when his teams have lost multiple times to lower seeds

836
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Everyone's the village idiot. Mike McCarthy, Everyone's

837
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: village idiot. Mike McCarthy has more playoff wins than Sean

838
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: the Great. Well, I think pr campaign is always a

839
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: big deal, and Sean Payton is dramatically better with the football, NFL,

840
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: national media than Mike McCarthy. Not arguable, Sean Payton literally

841
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: just spent a year working in the media. He's clearly

842
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: close friends with Colin. But well before that, the Saints

843
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: were always notorious. You remember Ian Rappaport had to apologize

844
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: one time for a report of something that he said

845
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: based on I think the Saints offensive coordinator like they

846
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: have a pretty open door policy with the Saints for

847
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: years with Sean Payton and kind of that crew. Now Mike,

848
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: it's just not really Mike's thing. He's just more tough guy,

849
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: blue collar from Pittsburgh. Right, he's not really on his

850
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: knees making sure the media sing his praises and anytime

851
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 1: in certain positions, I would say politicians, obviously, coaches, even

852
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: players nowadays, that you don't work the quote unquote media game,

853
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,919
Speaker 1: you're just gonna get negative pressed. Now, I'd argue, who

854
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: gives a shit? Honestly? Who cares? Like you said, Mike's

855
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: got more wins? He also has a Super Bowl coach,

856
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, like Green Bay Packers, Dallas Cowboys, does not

857
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: have to mess with Russell Wilson, Like I think sometimes

858
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 1: we overrate the conversation out there. One thing I've learned

859
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 1: on a much much lower level, but like watching Colin

860
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: like he doesn't care when people talk shit about him,

861
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 1: when he has a bad take or misspeaks or because

862
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: none of it matters. The only thing that matters is, like,

863
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: do you find him entertaining? His ratings keep going up,

864
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: people keep listening, Right, The only thing that matters as

865
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: a football coach or a football are you good? Like

866
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 1: even Trey Lance, I'd say what I say about him,

867
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: or even what the forty nine ers say about like Ultimately,

868
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: it's not going to determine his success or failure. If

869
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: he goes to the Cowboys, he works his way up

870
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: the depth chart, maybe there's an injury and then he

871
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: has success. Who gives a shit out? None of this

872
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: actually impacts any of it, right? And like like I

873
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: said with Colin, people say mean shit to me all

874
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,760
Speaker 1: the time online. Why just deleted Twitter from my phone?

875
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: I don't scroll it every day? I don't. I just

876
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: don't really because none of it matters. If I let

877
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: it matter, then it will affect you. But like who

878
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: cares that? People just think Sean Payton's better than Mike McCarthy.

879
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: I in hell, I probably would take Sean Payton over

880
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy. Could be wrong, might not be right. I

881
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: don't know. Uh, it'll be interesting. I think both. Yeah,

882
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you know. It's aroundabout saying is

883
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: a way of saying who cares? Doesn't matter? Found your

884
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: pot off Collins Feet a few months back, and it's

885
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: been my favorite since as a lifelong Bills fan. My

886
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 1: question is how long can we accept the company line

887
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: type answers when McDermott and Bean are asked about the

888
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: very few but glaring holes on our roster. For instance,

889
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 1: every Bills fan knows our big weakness is cornerback two,

890
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,280
Speaker 1: O line, but mainly the guard positions and middle linebacker,

891
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,919
Speaker 1: and reporters look for answers on these positions, we get

892
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: the typical we're still evaluating these positions. Player X has

893
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: done a great job. BB. My gripe is we have

894
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: been evaluating the same core group of guys at cornerback

895
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: two for two or three years, O line for two

896
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: or three years, with the exception of rookie Osiris Torrance,

897
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,919
Speaker 1: and for a middle linebacker. Everyone with a pulse knows

898
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 1: that Traymond Edmonds leaving left a gaping hole in the

899
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: heart of our defense. I guess my real question is

900
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: how long do you need to evaluate a group until

901
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 1: it's clear you don't have the players you need for

902
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,720
Speaker 1: that group. The window is slim, and we are acting

903
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: like it's impossible to find other players that fit better

904
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 1: of the pod Go Bills. I'm going to defend them

905
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: off the bat without knowing all the details. You watch

906
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: their press conferences on a daily basis. I do not

907
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: you have. I can't break down the Bills guard position right,

908
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: and I'll always defend a team on this one. Most teams,

909
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: good teams have one good corner. This notion that is

910
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: normal to have two really good corners is you'd be

911
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 1: an outlier in the league. So if you have one

912
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: really good corner and you just rotate other guys like

913
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: welcome to the NFL, you usually don't get Richard Truman

914
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: and Drel Reeves. You don't get two guys that every

915
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: team would want. That's not the way it works. It's

916
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 1: a very very hard position to find. Now, the guard position,

917
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: I'd argue like after a couple of years, it's the

918
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: easy it's like a running back, easy to replace. Just

919
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: go sign some guys off practice squad, draft guys in

920
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: the late rounds, developed them that should be a really

921
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,760
Speaker 1: easy player to replace. Linebacker can be a little difficult,

922
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: right you let a guy walk in free agency because

923
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: he got a lot of money. It's impossible to fill

924
00:49:58,200 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: every hole, and you guys are paying a lot of

925
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: money to a couple of players. You are limited in

926
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: what you can do. Right, you're drafting in the mid

927
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: twenties in every round, you're not getting the pick of

928
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,439
Speaker 1: the litter of talent in the draft, and with free

929
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: agency you just don't have, you know the amount of

930
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: money that some of these shittier teams are gonna have

931
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,280
Speaker 1: because you got an expensive quarterback, you got an expensive

932
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Don't you pay your left tackle. You paid

933
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: von Miller a lot of money. You just you don't

934
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 1: get to have the perfect team right now. Part of

935
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: this is and this goes to me on bean and

936
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: then McDermott and the staff to develop. It's like, you

937
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: got to develop some young no name guys. What happened

938
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: last year when we looked up in the playoffs in

939
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl with the Chiefs, they were playing all

940
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: these rookies and several late rounders in the secondary, So

941
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 1: they drafted McDuffie really high. But then I look up

942
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: and they got multiple guys that were I think fifth

943
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: and seventh rounders playing at corner and I think like

944
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 1: a hybrid nickel safety position. So like, yeah, it's on

945
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: the coaching staff to develop and being to give them

946
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: players that are developable that you can develop. I was

947
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: gonna say develop alable and that's not a word, but

948
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: a developmental program. And when you pay guys lots of money,

949
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: which the Bills, like the Chiefs do, the Bengals are

950
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: going to You have to hit on mid round picks.

951
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: That's the only way. It's the only way you can function.

952
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 1: If you do not, you got no chance. But it's

953
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: very unlikely to have multiple sweet corners. I will say

954
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: that guard position you got to gripe. You should be

955
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: able to find guards. I guess you said right guard

956
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:50,240
Speaker 1: and right tackle tackle too, like it is difficult. Tackle

957
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: is a hard position to find right because you're not

958
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: look at this year you drafted. I don't know if

959
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: there was really a tackle available there in the mid twenty.

960
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:01,919
Speaker 1: But they're gonna need King Kaine to be a star.

961
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: They just are like a high end tight end. And

962
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 1: if that's the case, then you can kind of get

963
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: around it. Non football question. I was wondering what song

964
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: that comes on after a break. There's like a three

965
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: second song and I really enjoy it. This is Jeff

966
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: using his daughter's instagram. Honestly, I don't know. I'd have

967
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:29,959
Speaker 1: to text my audio producer Michael Holts and find out

968
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: no clue. To be honest with you, Glad you like it,

969
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:39,760
Speaker 1: Love the podcast. Big Broncos fan very worried about Russ,

970
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: even with him having Sean Payton was the previous DM

971
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: or said that you wish he had Mike McCarthy over

972
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: Sean Payton. If Russ doesn't pan out this season, do

973
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: you see the Broncos doing something to move up in

974
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 1: the draft for a quarterback. I think it's very, very

975
00:52:54,360 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: difficult the Russ situation because of the contract. He makes

976
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: so much money and the contract is just starting to

977
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 1: kick in, so and would you want him around like

978
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: these first couple of years. It's really big, But honestly,

979
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: you're kind of stuck with him in twenty twenty four too. Now,

980
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 1: if this year is a disaster like last year and

981
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 1: it clearly doesn't work, what do they do Because his

982
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: dead cap is eighty five million dollars, so you're not

983
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: gonna cut them. But if it doesn't go well, do

984
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: you want him around a young quarterback? I think that's

985
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,240
Speaker 1: one of the most fascinating parts of this twenty twenty

986
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: three season is how this plays out because in the

987
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: in the I think it was two series, but definitely

988
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: the first series he played against the forty nine ers

989
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,399
Speaker 1: in the preseason game he ran one time it was like, oh,

990
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 1: he looks he's clearly smaller, right. I think Peter king Road.

991
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: He's two twelve this year. He was two twenty five

992
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: last year. He's clearly been humbled, just by the situation

993
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 1: last year, losing his office, all the weird stories coming

994
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: out Manshannon Sharp, I remember last year was talking a

995
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: bunch of shit, and rightfully so, and just the worst

996
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,879
Speaker 1: season of his career, right And to me, it's not

997
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 1: just people have down seasons. If you have a down

998
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:18,479
Speaker 1: season after you are traded to a team, after you've

999
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: essentially said your old team was a bunch of idiots,

1000
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: they used you wrong, then that team that trades for you,

1001
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: that only gives several first round picks and players, then

1002
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,240
Speaker 1: pays you a ton of money. One hundred and sixty

1003
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 1: million dollars guaranteed. He got one hundred and twenty five

1004
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 1: million dollars when he signed. His average salary is forty

1005
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: eight million dollars. His signing bonus was fifty million dollars.

1006
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: I know Howie Roseman capologists, but I'm pretty sure a

1007
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: signing bonus the day you sign it. Within fourteen days

1008
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: of that, he got a direct depositive fifty million. Now

1009
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: it might be lessened that with taxes and stuff, but

1010
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: he's not like a ten ninety nine guy. So he

1011
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: got a direct to positive probably thirty million dollars that's net.

1012
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: He does no taxes on that, So yeah, a lot

1013
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,760
Speaker 1: of pressure on the dude this year man a lot, rightfully.

1014
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: So he's been one of the biggest talking points in

1015
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: the NFL for years, his relationship with Pete and Seattle,

1016
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: like Russell was carrying them and he did, but maybe

1017
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 1: it wasn't like we perceived the entire time. And one

1018
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: thing's clear, there was a diva element to this guy.

1019
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: I think a lot of times when you get these

1020
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: overly religious players, and it happens a lot with quarterbacks,

1021
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: you just go, oh, this guy can't be selfish, this

1022
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: guy can't be a diva. It's like, oh, no, he is.

1023
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: He's he. I think he's a pretty big one. Doesn't

1024
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,959
Speaker 1: mean some guys don't like him, doesn't mean he can't

1025
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: relate to some people. But it felt like there was

1026
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 1: a little disconnect and it's not you know that there

1027
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: was a guy's guy element of a lot of quarterbacks, right.

1028
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: I think pretty sure Drew Brees is pretty pretty religious.

1029
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 1: Seems pretty relatable that there was just some gap between

1030
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: Russell in reality and I think it really came to fruition.

1031
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 1: What a win for Pete. What an awesome situation for Pete,

1032
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 1: What a what an ultimate muscle flex of Like, I'm

1033
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,439
Speaker 1: not a fucking idiot, you guys. I know what I'm doing.

1034
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: I've been coaching for four and a half decades, Guys,

1035
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: I've seen it all. I won national championships, I won

1036
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: a super Bowl, and I got back to another. I

1037
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: know what I'm doing, leading the leading the troops here.

1038
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: So when I told you that Russell deserves some blame, now,

1039
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,359
Speaker 1: he would never publicly say that, but it was clear

1040
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: it was kind of coming out right through reporters. Everyone's like, oh,

1041
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: Pete sucks and I'm guilty of this too. I was like,

1042
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 1: fire them all. He was right, man, We all anyone

1043
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: that took Russell's side has a lot of egg on

1044
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: our face. Massive win for Pete, massive win for Seattle,

1045
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: and there's he's really good. Seattle might win ten eleven

1046
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 1: games this year. Big Notre Dame fan, and I like

1047
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: the interview was damn good with Jalen. Hats off to

1048
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 1: both of you. Great questions and Jalen is a solid

1049
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: stand up guy. Totally agree. Question is with the Raiders

1050
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: now looking like Jimmy is healthy at the moment and

1051
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: Jacob signing, how do you see them doing if that

1052
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: plays out. Obviously, any team lose their number one quarterback,

1053
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: it usually derails the season. I feel a little bit

1054
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: better about the Raiders quarterback situation because of this rookie.

1055
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: And we just saw it last year with uh Brock Purty,

1056
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: and we've seen it before with guys like Dak Prescott.

1057
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: This is pretty clear like this guy is a solid

1058
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: player and he's going to play in the league for

1059
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: a long time. Now, is he some lock starter for

1060
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 1: the rest of his career? I'm not saying that, but

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Speaker 1: I hated the Raiders quarterback situation when it's just like, well,

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00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: Jimmy's gonna get hurt and then you're gonna go to

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00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: Brian Hoyer. That will not work. Brian Hory is not

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Speaker 1: gonna be their backup. Hey O'Connor will and with Jacobs,

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00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: with DeVante Adams, you would think at coming off a

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00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: really bad season, Hunter Renfro, who was really good with

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00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: Derek Carr and John Gruden, Hunter Renfro can play. I

1068
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: remember I had a buddy on the staff a couple

1069
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 1: of years ago, I'm like, how's this little guy so good?

1070
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: Like you really underestimate how quick the guy's feet is

1071
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 1: and how great his balance is. Just work in the middle.

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00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 1: And I remember a couple of years ago everyone made

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00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: fun of him, but Derwin James was asking asked like

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00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 1: his top wide receivers and he listed Renfro. Well, shouldn't

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00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 1: he know? Pretty sure Derwin James comes down to cover

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00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 1: some dudes in the slot. Renfro can play. Now. To me,

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00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 1: it's about the Raiders and I've been up close and

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00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 1: personal with them for a decade now. Most of my

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00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: life I didn't really pay that much attention. Beside the

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00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: Gruden years, their defense has been hideous, has been honestly

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00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: an embarrassment. Even the year Khalil Mack won the Defensive

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00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: Player of the Year best of their defense was not

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00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: very good. He was awesome, he was incredible, but their

1084
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: defensive unit was below average average at best. So if

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00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: their defense can just be serviceable and their offense improved

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00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 1: from last year, which is hard to be much worse

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00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: given how terrible Derek and Josh Meshed could they compete

1088
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: to be nine wins. I think that's somewhat realistic to

1089
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 1: me defense the offensive line, their left tackles good, but

1090
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 1: division's hard. Division's difficult. As a Detroit Lions fan, I

1091
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: just finished watching three preseason games without the majority of

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00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: our starters seeing any action. Campbell's justification is that for

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00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: the first two preseason games they held a pair of

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00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: joint practices with the opponent in the lead up to

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00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 1: the contest. Obviously, there's a ton of hype surrounding the Lions,

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00:59:56,320 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: and I've never been more excited heading into a season. However,

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01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 1: I'm nervous at the first time our ones take the

1098
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: field in a live environment is going to be at

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01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 1: Arrowhead staring down the defending champions on opening night, very

1100
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 1: tall order. Do you think it's a mistake for teams

1101
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: to go this route when preparing for the regular season.

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01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 1: I thought Mike Tomlin the other day summed it up perfectly.

1103
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: It's impossible to get into a boxing ring without sparring before.

1104
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: I'm not a big MMA guy, but these guys clearly

1105
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 1: train to build up the callouses on their body before

1106
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: they fight on the Saturday night. Right, And you would

1107
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: say the best coach in the NFL currently, Andy Reid,

1108
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 1: plays his starters and has his entire career. I think

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01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan has gotten away from that, and then he

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01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: saw Tomlin doing it and them looking good. Started playing

1111
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: his starters the last two preseason games because he went,

1112
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: we can't play these guys if our starters don't get

1113
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 1: some sweat in some live game action. And they had

1114
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 1: joint practices as well. So I'm a proponent of playing

1115
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 1: your guys if you feel like I don't know. I

1116
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: guess I'm talking about both sides of my mouth, because

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01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 1: I've said before that I get nervous with injuries. I

1118
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: am inclined to like freak out about injuries. I hated

1119
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 1: that feeling standing on the sideline. But I can't dispute

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Speaker 1: the best coaches in the league are all playing their

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01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 1: players now. Dan Campbell ironically is like an old school

1122
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 1: Bill Parcells guy, topped by Sean Payton, who also plays

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01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 1: as starters. I don't know. I mean there's a large gap.

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01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:44,439
Speaker 1: I mean you're talking August twenty eighth, so you're ten

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01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 1: plus days away as I'm recording this away from opening night.

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01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. Let me. I guess I need to

1127
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: roll that back. I don't know if there's a right

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01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 1: or wrong way to do it. I do know this,

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01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 1: if you do play your starters and they look good

1130
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 1: and you don't have an injury, you feel pretty good

1131
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: about it. You feel really good about it. But I

1132
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 1: do agree with him the joint practices, they're that's a

1133
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 1: big deal, Like that's that's pretty important. So I would say,

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01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: just be excited. I don't think if you underwhelm on

1135
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 1: Thursday night is because of the preseason that that would

1136
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 1: be my take. Can you explain, uh, listening to Chris

1137
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 1: Vernon on the mismatch talking about the hard and Mory situation,

1138
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:34,439
Speaker 1: and I think he captures the jt orsa thing as well.

1139
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 1: They don't want to pay these guys like superstars, yet

1140
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 1: they want a superstar return in a hypothetical trade. No

1141
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 1: matter how you feel about the running backs as a whole,

1142
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: can you explain why this is okay and how running

1143
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: backs are just whining and complaining, Well, do they think

1144
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 1: they have a superstar? I mean last year he was

1145
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 1: injured and not good. To be a superstar player, you

1146
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: have to do it over and over and over again.

1147
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 1: I would be on Jonathan Taylor's side. If Jonathan Taylor

1148
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: had had three straight years of kicking ass and taking names.

1149
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 1: But he didn't. He just had a season where he

1150
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: had played eleven games and looked much more pedestrian than

1151
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 1: he did his first two seasons. Now you can say

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01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: that's just injury. Well, is he injured? Now that's my

1153
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 1: question with Jonathan Taylor? Is he currently injured or is

1154
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 1: he healthy? Because I don't quite understand what's going on,

1155
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 1: Like could he play a game in two weeks if

1156
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 1: I trade for him? Is he ready? Is he just

1157
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 1: doing a hold in so he doesn't get fined? Is

1158
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 1: his ankle good? Would he pass a physical? But these

1159
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 1: are legitimate questions Josh Jacobs and Sae Kwon Barkley. If

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01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 1: I was their teams, I would want to go year

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01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 1: by year. I don't blame the teams, and if I

1162
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 1: was the player, I would want several years, right So,

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Speaker 1: But I also think that if both guys dominate again

1164
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 1: this year, their franchise tag goes up next year to

1165
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 1: like fourteen fourteen and a half a million dollars, and

1166
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 1: they even if they got a plan a second year

1167
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 1: franchise tag, that's back to back years of making twenty

1168
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 1: six twenty seven million dollars that's real money. That's essentially

1169
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Speaker 1: what they would have got paid if they had signed

1170
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 1: the deal right they were not. They didn't have contract

1171
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 1: offers at forty million dollars. So if they play this

1172
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 1: year and have a good season, they will get franchise

1173
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 1: tagged again or extended because a lot of teams, once

1174
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 1: you get to a certain number with a franchise tag

1175
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 1: at certain positions, you feel uncomfortable. Do I think the

1176
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 1: Colts view Jonathan Taylor currently as a star? They did

1177
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, but information changes. Players are

1178
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: like their stock internally and externally around the league is fluid.

1179
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 1: Trust me, I scouted like every year you regrade the player. Obviously,

1180
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 1: sweet players tend to be good all the time, like

1181
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 1: Micah Parsons is probably going to be awesome again, Miles Garrett,

1182
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 1: nick Bosa, Trent Williams. But the majority of the league

1183
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 1: kind of evan flow. So one year Jonathan Taylor's viewed

1184
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 1: as a top two or three running back in the league.

1185
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 1: Next year he gets injured, other guys shine and things change.

1186
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 1: So it's like, does he bounce back? I don't know,

1187
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 1: but I would have a hard time paying him like

1188
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 1: a superstar based on two years. That's just me, especially

1189
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 1: when I think I can replace Now, it could be wrong.

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01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 1: Time will tell. Let's call that a show. Appreciate my guy,

1191
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 1: Mike on the audio, James and Christian on the video.

1192
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 1: We've got a team of people here at the Volume.

1193
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 1: This is not a one man band by any means.

1194
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, hopefully everyone had a good week and

1195
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 1: the game plan is gonna keep just pumping out podcasts

1196
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 1: as information flows. We've got a lot going on in

1197
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 1: the football world, and as news breaks and things happen,

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Speaker 1: I got you covered. The Volume