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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants. Huttle on Giants

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Subtle Podcast. I

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Speaker 1: am John Schmilk. You should recognize this guy as the

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Speaker 1: lead football played by play man for Fox Sports, also

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Speaker 1: does all the studio stuff for their baseball coverage. He's

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Speaker 1: New Jersey native Kevin burk Card who's up at the

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Speaker 1: crack of dawn today talking to Giants coaches and players.

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Speaker 1: What's up, KB, I mean, Spelky, let's go, man, I mean,

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Speaker 1: come on any time to get up and talk to

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Speaker 1: my my former co worker. Let's go. I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: what we're doing here, me and you. It's good to

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Speaker 1: see it. Yeah. Absolutely. By the way, the John Suttle

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Speaker 1: and make sure you go back. Last couple episodes of

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Speaker 1: the Giant Subtle Podcast, folks, we have especially w F

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Speaker 1: fan show. But then my interview with Chris Sims that

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Speaker 1: posted on Wednesday was excellent. Did a great breakdown of

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Speaker 1: that first Vikings Giants game on Christmas Eve. Make sure

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Speaker 1: you go check that out now. Well, kbs Reugh, We'm

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Speaker 1: saying you guys might not know. Back when he was

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Speaker 1: small time and not living large out in Cali. He

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Speaker 1: he was a talk to host over at f A.

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Speaker 1: I needed updates over on eight eighty here in New York,

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Speaker 1: and I produced many of his shows over there, huh,

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Speaker 1: I said, I had a heck of a producer for

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Speaker 1: like you did. You did the majority of my shows,

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Speaker 1: I think, I mean, I think more than anybody else

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Speaker 1: over there. So we had we had a good time.

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Speaker 1: We had we had a lot of fun together. Yeah, absolutely, man,

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun times that we can't really talk

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Speaker 1: about in the basement of the story of Queen. You

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Speaker 1: might have jobs anymore, so we can not talk about that.

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Speaker 1: But we can't talk about the Giants and Vikings here

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Speaker 1: KB and boy. I mean, these two teams, they both

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Speaker 1: played close games all year. I got to imagine you

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Speaker 1: think we're probably in store for another one of those

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Speaker 1: this weekend, right, I'd be surprised if it's not. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, especially when you go back and watch the

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Speaker 1: game from Christmas Eve. I mean it was yeah, it

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Speaker 1: was ultra close. It was pretty much what I expected.

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Speaker 1: It's what these teams do. And I think in that game,

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Speaker 1: you know, there are a couple of things that stood out. Look,

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Speaker 1: Minnesota's play these games all year and we all know

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Speaker 1: they're eleven and all one score games. Credit to them.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they have it. They have a little you know,

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Speaker 1: I know there's part luck involved. It's just like, um,

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Speaker 1: it's almost I equated almost like you know, hitting with

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Speaker 1: runners and scoring position in baseball. You know, one year

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Speaker 1: ye're hitting three fifty and the next year the same

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Speaker 1: team is hitting two ten. But it's just but give

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Speaker 1: them credit. They found a way to do it, and

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Speaker 1: they've been consistent in the fourth quarter and overtime and

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Speaker 1: find a way to win. But I go back, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think the Giants are the same way. The Giants

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Speaker 1: have won one to eight of those games. I mean,

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Speaker 1: so they're not unfamiliar with playing in those close games

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Speaker 1: and and knowing how to win late and make plays late.

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Speaker 1: I think that's so important. And I just think that

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Speaker 1: the Giants aren't gonna be phazed. You know, I actually

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Speaker 1: think that that game helps New York because I know

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Speaker 1: both teams are in both teams, it's an advantage that

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Speaker 1: they played and say, Okay, here's what we did, here's

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Speaker 1: what we're gonna change. But I think for the Giants,

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Speaker 1: like if you're Brian Dable, it's it's a pretty easy sell.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to be you don't have to see

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Speaker 1: they win them, then they have three games this year

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Speaker 1: and I think what will be an issue on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: You know, Brian O'Neill, their best player the right tackles

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Speaker 1: taping this, but he's got back issues. And then that

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Speaker 1: just making enough plays at the critical times to win.

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Speaker 1: In Look, you can't apologize for that, so that I

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be surprised. But he was living in the backfield,

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Speaker 1: Bradbury can't go to your point, boy, Dexter Lawrence, and

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Speaker 1: even Lennard Williams, who are two sacks in the game.

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Speaker 1: to do the damage. Well. The interesting thing is in

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Speaker 1: he is, It's how the Giants defense works, that's why

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Speaker 1: think it does give Mortondale some options, which is important.

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Speaker 1: So what what fuel have you gotten for the Giants?

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Speaker 1: I just think they're confident. I really do. I think

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Speaker 1: I think they're confident for a number of reasons. Obviously

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Speaker 1: games that they've been involved in. Obviously the game Minnesota,

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Speaker 1: I think the Colts game at home where it was

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Speaker 1: I mean for Daniel Jones and to come in and

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Speaker 1: I think this team's battle tested, you know, and we'll

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't think of the Giants, Luig is

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Speaker 1: I don't think that the moment is too big for them.

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Speaker 1: And I certainly get that sense talking to them. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: these past before years, Kevin doing these games, and he

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Speaker 1: In that first game against the Vikings, the Giants threw

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Speaker 1: are more than they have all year. They had fifty

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Speaker 1: two drop back just seventeen runs. Very atypical of how

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Speaker 1: they played, but it worked right. They gained the second

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Speaker 1: field enough of those turnovers you mentioned earlier. Do you

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Speaker 1: it on them. They've allowed the second most plus twenty

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Speaker 1: plus passes in the league. They have allowed the second most,

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Speaker 1: of them, but they've allowed big plays. I think Sakwan

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Speaker 1: not saying that se Quanda isn't involve in the game

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