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Speaker 2: Today is Tuesday, March twenty sixth, twenty twenty four. And
Speaker 2: I tried to fast forward to this point last week
Speaker 2: because there is thirty days until the NFL droved. Thirty days,
Speaker 2: thirty days officials. It didn't not for me.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's because I was new. It did not go
Speaker 3: by this fast.
Speaker 2: You were along for the ride last year.
Speaker 4: I got my.
Speaker 2: You did a great we always get it.
Speaker 3: It is flying like I just can't believe it. I
Speaker 3: feel like Combine came and went Senior Bowl, snuck up
Speaker 3: on his real quick too.
Speaker 4: I remember that we're.
Speaker 2: In the annual meetings today.
Speaker 5: Yeah, drafting real quick.
Speaker 2: Croda's are like almost over with.
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Speaker 5: She's Ayisha Morrison.
Speaker 2: We've got Brian brought us, Zach Wilchuk, Chris Beam in
Speaker 2: the back, I'm Kyle Yeoman's Nick Harris, Bobby Belt out
Speaker 2: this week, Nick is at the owner's meeting. He's actually
Speaker 2: talking to head coach Mike McCarthy as we speak. So
Speaker 2: we'll get some good insight from Nick here over the
Speaker 2: next couple of days. But here we go, Brian, you
Speaker 2: start hearing some rumblings, You start hearing some rumors and
Speaker 2: even from the front office, some draft possible strategies. Whenever
Speaker 2: you look at.
Speaker 5: It, Yeah, there's people just throwing some chum in the
Speaker 5: water right now and seeing if you're interested in coming
Speaker 5: up or maybe you know, going back if I know.
Speaker 5: There was a big article yesterday at ESPN about how
Speaker 5: Minnesota was going to navigate to get to and they
Speaker 5: threw out a lot of different possibilities of trying to
Speaker 5: get it. All really hinged on that third spot where
Speaker 5: New England and my friend Elliott Wolf is now running
Speaker 5: their draft. And the thing about Elliott is he knows
Speaker 5: his roster needs talent, and he also knows he needs
Speaker 5: a quarterback, but can you entice him? There were a
Speaker 5: couple of different scenarios where man it was and again ESPN,
Speaker 5: I thought I did a really good job Dan Grasiano
Speaker 5: and these guys of kind of playing it out that
Speaker 5: you know, maybe some double trades involved, maybe trades was
Speaker 5: spot then trade again to get there. You know, some
Speaker 5: next year's ones involved. You know, people are trying to
Speaker 5: right now figure out and not everybody's put together their board,
Speaker 5: so you really you know where the players are graded
Speaker 5: when you look at your spreadsheets, you know where there
Speaker 5: are the possibility that got as could be your understanding
Speaker 5: where the pockets are of players. But now it's going
Speaker 5: to be about, okay, how do I get in range
Speaker 5: to get specific players? And I'm not asking you to
Speaker 5: window dress your board, but I think some of the
Speaker 5: cowboys are going to have to look at is, you know,
Speaker 5: with some of the needs that they do have, how
Speaker 5: is their stack going to be set? How is their
Speaker 5: board going to be set? You know, you've got to
Speaker 5: make sure you put these guys in a spot where
Speaker 5: you would absolutely take them. And that's the navigation part
Speaker 5: of this. But like I used to said, there's a
Speaker 5: lot of talking at the pro days. There's talking. There
Speaker 5: was a lot of talking at the combine, and you've
Speaker 5: got these general managers that are kind of visiting with
Speaker 5: each other about Listen, I'm I'm interested in coming up. Hey,
Speaker 5: don't forget me. If you're going back, I'll be here.
Speaker 5: You know, you just want to let everybody know kind
Speaker 5: of where you stand right now. And that's kind of
Speaker 5: the whisperings that we're hearing.
Speaker 2: It really seems like there's a possibility for more movement
Speaker 2: in this draft than even in years past, but there's
Speaker 2: been little movement to this point. By usually combine pro
Speaker 2: Day's owners meetings, you start seeing some sort of movement.
Speaker 2: Let's say Minnesota wants to go up and get a quarterback.
Speaker 2: You can possibly see that Chicago is going to shop
Speaker 2: that pick shop justin fields. Of course, they got rid
Speaker 2: of justin fields. That's probably the number one thing, so
Speaker 2: they're going to stay put at one. But Zach, when
Speaker 2: you look at this first round, there's a domino that
Speaker 2: needs to fall somewhere.
Speaker 5: Who could that domino possibly? Yeah?
Speaker 6: I mean, I think the quarterbacks the top are really
Speaker 6: kind of driving a lot of the trade chatter, like
Speaker 6: is Washington legitimately interested in JJ McCarthy, which is the
Speaker 6: latest rumor that we're hearing a week ago it was
Speaker 6: Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 6: It seems like there's a lot of smoke screen. You
Speaker 6: gotta go ahead and figure out what's the truth there.
Speaker 6: Are they maybe open to move back? Could they possibly?
Speaker 6: You know, I think that they're new offensive coordinator Cliff
Speaker 6: Kingsbury is very interested in Michael Pennix. I know that
Speaker 6: he loves the way that he has the touch on
Speaker 6: his deep ball. So would they be interested in moving back,
Speaker 6: acquiring extra picks and then at the bottom of the
Speaker 6: first round, or if they get an extra pick, maybe
Speaker 6: early in the second of Penix is still on the board,
Speaker 6: do they make that selection. Is New England actually wanting
Speaker 6: to stay in and take a quarterback or to your point,
Speaker 6: do they say, you know what, we do want to
Speaker 6: acquire multiple picks and move back. Arizona is open for
Speaker 6: business at four. So I really do think and to
Speaker 6: your point, you're right, last year we saw, Hey, you
Speaker 6: had the Carolina Panthers make that trade to move up,
Speaker 6: and now they're in the position you had Philadelphia and
Speaker 6: the Rams and that wentz Golf draft. They had already
Speaker 6: solidified that. So maybe we still end up getting a
Speaker 6: trade prior to the draft. But I do think that
Speaker 6: the quarterbacks really kind of driving Okay, what's going to
Speaker 6: happen at the top. Denver's an interesting team at twelve.
Speaker 6: I think they'd love to get up there and get
Speaker 6: a quarterback as well. And then after that we can
Speaker 6: kind of look at, Okay, where will some of these
Speaker 6: offensive tackles fall, Because today there was an interesting report
Speaker 6: about Ryan rams Check, the offensive tackle of the Saints,
Speaker 6: and he might not be medically available to play this year.
Speaker 6: Is that another team we got to look at. They
Speaker 6: could be taking ahead of the Cowboys. They could now
Speaker 6: be in the market to draft an offensive tackle.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the I think the tackle might the
Speaker 5: run at tackles might start at ten with the Jets.
Speaker 5: You know, we're starting to hear some whispers about them that,
Speaker 5: you know, with their uh with their general manager coming
Speaker 5: out and saying, listen, there's really a deep group of
Speaker 5: these tackles here. So I would keep it. I would
Speaker 5: keep a definite eye on the Jets at ten if
Speaker 5: you're looking at offensive linemen. But they're good.
Speaker 2: They got Tyrone Smith's going to be available for seventeen.
Speaker 6: It's true Jets at ten, New Orleans at fourteen, could
Speaker 6: Indye and Seattle at fifteen and sixteen take a tackle
Speaker 6: interior linemen with Miami.
Speaker 3: And y'all, y'all, just y'all just keeping them going. And
Speaker 3: for me, that's no, I'm saying, like, that's how many
Speaker 3: people do really need tackles or to you know, fill
Speaker 3: their offensive line. What I'm curious to see is who
Speaker 3: hits the panic button when they start, because if there
Speaker 3: is a run on tackles and that that you know,
Speaker 3: ten to eighteen frame or whatever going into that latter
Speaker 3: part of things, that's when the cowboys are coming up.
Speaker 3: That's where some teams are, you know, that are a
Speaker 3: little further along, and people's minds are coming up. And
Speaker 3: I want to see if maybe that plays a role
Speaker 3: in some of the decision making. If these tackles start
Speaker 3: flying off the board really quickly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think everybody sees these tackles differently, you know,
Speaker 5: and maybe to you know, you use the word panic,
Speaker 5: and I kind of said, I think, I think, no,
Speaker 5: she's onto something. But also there's a side of me that, like,
Speaker 5: you know what, I could take your tackle list. I
Speaker 5: take all our tackle lists, and I guarantee you they're
Speaker 5: all different, and so maybe you don't, maybe you don't panic,
Speaker 5: maybe you're like, they didn't take our guy. They didn't
Speaker 5: take our guys. They once again didn't take our guy here.
Speaker 5: So everybody sees these guys differently. It's it's almost like
Speaker 5: that to me, where you know were the thing is.
Speaker 5: I was going to circle back real quick if I
Speaker 5: could about the Minnesota trying to get up. There was
Speaker 5: an idea of floating that Minnesota would say, if they
Speaker 5: can't get Justin Jefferson done, they would make him part
Speaker 5: of a trade package. So could Minnesota package their own
Speaker 5: pick at could they package eleven Justin Jefferson or could
Speaker 5: they package Justin Jefferson in twenty three and go up? So, man,
Speaker 5: when you start to hear that, that's serious. When you're saying, hey,
Speaker 5: the best wide receiver in football, sure to in a
Speaker 5: lot of circles is part of a now a trade
Speaker 5: package to go up and get a quarterback. This is
Speaker 5: some serious business going on. But I think this tackle run,
Speaker 5: like I say, everybody's gonna look at it and they're
Speaker 5: gonna go, oh, they got my guy or they didn't
Speaker 5: get my guy there. And so I think I think
Speaker 5: you can see a lot of teams sit and see
Speaker 5: how this tackle market the quarterbacks. I think you have
Speaker 5: to go because you have to get your guy got
Speaker 5: the tackle. I think you sit because there's more, there's
Speaker 5: more of a. There's not as clear of a that's
Speaker 5: the first guy, that's the second guy, that's the third guy.
Speaker 6: And if you're the Cowboys at twenty four, is that
Speaker 6: that that's probably a good situation for you because you're
Speaker 6: now looking at Okay, and you've made this point, Brian
Speaker 6: with Tyler Smith. If you come away with an offensive tackle,
Speaker 6: then you feel good. You can leave Tyler Smith at guard.
Speaker 6: If you don't, you've got a contingency to keep him.
Speaker 6: And if you do get a run where the tackles
Speaker 6: that they like are gone. Now you're sitting in Okay,
Speaker 6: here's the trade back window that's open now because we
Speaker 6: can fall back, maybe get our center, Maybe Edrin Cooper,
Speaker 6: the linebacker from A and M starts to be come
Speaker 6: in play. Maybe if a Byron Murphy slides the defensive
Speaker 6: tackle out of Texas, all of a sudden, more options
Speaker 6: I think are opened. If you do have a run
Speaker 6: on tackle and you get wiped to that position.
Speaker 2: You each bring up a different point. You talked about
Speaker 2: teams that could move up. You talked about teams that
Speaker 2: are going to trade elite level talent to move up,
Speaker 2: like potentially move off to Jafferson, and you talk about
Speaker 2: the Cowboys. Is there a potential and I'm talking like
Speaker 2: sky high, crazy scenario, absolutely off the wall, that Dallas
Speaker 2: would take some elite potential. Let's say Micah Parsons, a
Speaker 2: guy that they're gonna have to pay coming up, ceedeelamb
Speaker 2: one of these two that you have to pay coming up,
Speaker 2: and you do package them together and say, hey, we're
Speaker 2: already in cap trouble. Let's go up and get a guy.
Speaker 2: Let's go up and try and take multiple picks. I
Speaker 2: know it's crazy, but we're talking about justin Jefferson being
Speaker 2: traded in.
Speaker 5: And I tell you what I got in a lot
Speaker 5: of trouble, you know, on the break one day talking
Speaker 5: about Micah Parsons and the possibility of trading. He is
Speaker 5: the best commodity, you have no doubt, you know, He's
Speaker 5: the one that you would that people look at and
Speaker 5: they But the problem that you run into the problem
Speaker 5: you run into here is if you're a team that's
Speaker 5: willing to give premium assets to go get Micah Parsons.
Speaker 5: The problem is, you know you have to pay him. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and you're giving up premium assets. Look what Snead went
Speaker 5: for with Kansas City. Yes, we're all surprised. The corner
Speaker 5: at Kansas City also goes for next year's three and
Speaker 5: we're going.
Speaker 2: Well, wait a minute, why because you gotta pay him.
Speaker 5: Got to pay him. See now, if you had Micah
Speaker 5: Parsons under contract for a couple more years, then maybe
Speaker 5: it makes a little bit more sense for somebody. But
Speaker 5: I wonder, how much, though, can you honestly get for MICHAEH.
Speaker 5: Parsons If knowing that A, I'm gonna have to give
Speaker 5: up premium assets likely a one and I'm or maybe
Speaker 5: a couple of ones, and B I've got to pay
Speaker 5: this guy, that to me is a that's a move
Speaker 5: a general manager makes if he's got security that he
Speaker 5: knows that, you know, I can make this trade and
Speaker 5: that could put me over the top. But that's that
Speaker 5: is a premium ass set. I mean, that is big
Speaker 5: picture thinking right now, folks. I mean you could say
Speaker 5: crazy and all this that, but if you're the Dallas
Speaker 5: Cowboys and players continually walking out the door, and all
Speaker 5: of a sudden, you need you need players that can
Speaker 5: help you right now that you know first round guys,
Speaker 5: you know that that that's an option. You have to
Speaker 5: look at it, especially if you feel like we probably
Speaker 5: Michael Parsons is going to be the highest non paid
Speaker 5: quarterback in the league. Yes, and so get ready for that.
Speaker 5: And can the Cowboys. I'm sure that they've thought about
Speaker 5: this long and hard, but if you had to do
Speaker 5: it right now, you would probably say, man, we probably
Speaker 5: can't replace him, but we need to get something. Now
Speaker 5: they've done this. You know, we've talked about Dak a bunch. Yeah,
Speaker 5: right now, they're just looking at a compensatory three for Dak.
Speaker 5: That's it. You know, if they let this thing play
Speaker 5: out and let it get the free agency, that's it.
Speaker 6: That also brings up another branch to that topic tree
Speaker 6: for me, where okay, everybody is kind of going into
Speaker 6: this year where it we'll see like there's no you
Speaker 6: brought up job security, there's no security. There's so many
Speaker 6: of these players, Dak included, and this coaching staff. Does
Speaker 6: that kind of change any of the drafting When you're
Speaker 6: looking at Okay, I'm talking to an Al Harris or
Speaker 6: you know some of your offensive line coaches or whoever
Speaker 6: it might be the receivers coach Robert Prince, and you're like, Okay,
Speaker 6: who are some guys that you like?
Speaker 5: They're like, well, you know, I like this guy that guy.
Speaker 6: I don't know if I have a multiple years to
Speaker 6: really teach and get out some of the warts from
Speaker 6: these players. So I need more play that are ready
Speaker 6: to hit the ground running then project type of players.
Speaker 3: I wonder what it does for the I mean when
Speaker 3: I think about what does it do for the culture,
Speaker 3: and like the way the team feels when it's a
Speaker 3: lot of uncertainty like that, is that a healthy thing
Speaker 3: to go into a season with.
Speaker 5: I think you have a lot of people over there
Speaker 5: aisha like Zach said that the players, it's a really
Speaker 5: players live that every day. Though players live change potentially
Speaker 5: every day, because you could get to the you could
Speaker 5: get to the trade deadline then all of a sudden.
Speaker 5: I mean, the players talk about the pressure and the
Speaker 5: stress that they feel dealing with that. The uncertainty to
Speaker 5: me is when you're working in a front office or
Speaker 5: you're a coach and now you're thinking, like, man, do
Speaker 5: I need to start thinking about talking to people at
Speaker 5: these pro days about a job next year? Do I
Speaker 5: need to think about Okay, I've got a couple of
Speaker 5: kids in school, do I try and sell the house now?
Speaker 5: You know? I mean that's the uncertainty that you live
Speaker 5: with is coach and none of those guys can feel
Speaker 5: very comfortable right now that their situation. You know, hopefully
Speaker 5: Mike Zimmer comes in and the new coaches and you know,
Speaker 5: things can kind of turn around. I mean, defensively, they
Speaker 5: have to play better than they did against Green Bay.
Speaker 5: Had to have to play better that way. Can Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 5: Brian Schottenheimer. Can they find a way to get another
Speaker 5: MVP type of year out of Dak Prescott? But there
Speaker 5: is so much uncertainty right now with this football team
Speaker 5: that it's I think it's a very very fragile situation
Speaker 5: for them.
Speaker 3: And does it also to play on play in two
Speaker 3: When we start getting into training camp and there's depth
Speaker 3: conversations and stuff like that, who's going to be the
Speaker 3: guy who's going to start, who's going to be backup guys?
Speaker 3: Because if you're trying to make you know, do some
Speaker 3: good for your resume. You're not about to be taking
Speaker 3: as many chances on some of these guys. Maybe some
Speaker 3: of these players right, and see your point, Zach, and
Speaker 3: they're going to need production from their first three picks
Speaker 3: almost immediately league, Yeah, maybe immediately.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Now you've got a situation where you got a lot
Speaker 6: your top three picks from last year all coming off injuries.
Speaker 5: Now you just had Scooney and Mazzie. We find out they.
Speaker 6: Have shoulder surgery, and you are asking you need them
Speaker 6: to come in and be immediate contributors next year. You
Speaker 6: needed them this last year, which you definitely do next year.
Speaker 5: Well, how about the guys like Sam Williams and Shulbert
Speaker 5: and others like that. They, yeah, those guys need to
Speaker 5: step up too. I mean, we focus on what happened
Speaker 5: last year, but they have some other guys that need
Speaker 5: to that need to step up clearly. And you know,
Speaker 5: and to your guys point as well as a coaching staff,
Speaker 5: you might you might sit there and say, you know,
Speaker 5: we can't afford to have a left tackle here that's
Speaker 5: a rookie because it might affect, you know, if our
Speaker 5: jobs are on the line. Even though Dallas has a
Speaker 5: great history of plug and play players. You know, coaches
Speaker 5: might say, you know what, we've got this Tyler Smith
Speaker 5: that could play left tackle. You know, may know who TJ.
Speaker 5: Mass is. Yeah, that's that's the thing. That's the kind
Speaker 5: of thing coaches, if their jobs are on the line,
Speaker 5: maybe they're not going to sit there and say we're
Speaker 5: not an inter just didn't playing in developing like you
Speaker 5: guys are talking sure.
Speaker 4: I mean sorry.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well another person that just came to mind with me
Speaker 3: is even Overshown. Yeah, is the fact that he's coming
Speaker 3: off of an ACL It is gonna take him time.
Speaker 3: And I do think I will say about him, his
Speaker 3: athleticism is so off the charge that I do think
Speaker 3: that he's a step down would still he still be
Speaker 3: explosive to some extent. So, but I was just thinking
Speaker 3: about him coming in and Zim coming in with his
Speaker 3: system and.
Speaker 4: What he maybe wants to do with linebackers.
Speaker 3: Is he going to feel like he has time for
Speaker 3: this this, you know, for him to get comfortable.
Speaker 4: I think over shown will show is what he's capable of.
Speaker 3: But I will say that to me makes a difference
Speaker 3: as well as having some of these guys coming off
Speaker 3: injuries how patient are they going to be if this
Speaker 3: defense needs to take a step forward?
Speaker 2: You know the next year Trayvon Diggs right there as well.
Speaker 2: You need all of those guys to step up. And
Speaker 2: speaking on de Marvin Overshown, with the new kickoff rule change,
Speaker 2: he could be an elite special teams individual.
Speaker 5: You need him on defense.
Speaker 2: But you talk about a size to speed as athleticism
Speaker 2: and the way that that defense or that kickoff scenario
Speaker 2: is going to work out, You're gonna need him to
Speaker 2: step up in that regard as well. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of things that need to fall into place. But when
Speaker 2: we're talking about scenarios in the first round, I don't
Speaker 2: think anything is off the table.
Speaker 5: No, I think it's all.
Speaker 2: On the table at this point.
Speaker 3: And I think that's also a testament to the number
Speaker 3: of first round picks that will first round players that
Speaker 3: we deem in this draft.
Speaker 4: It's to me it's.
Speaker 3: Considerably more than it was last year, where most people
Speaker 3: could barely get out the teams how many people they thought.
Speaker 4: So that plays the fat.
Speaker 2: We haven't brought that up in a while. I'm glad
Speaker 2: you brought that up now that you're further along in
Speaker 2: your evaluation of this draft class. Where do you have
Speaker 2: your your first round grades? How many do you have?
Speaker 4: I would say, let me see.
Speaker 5: Achnology stale twenty two.
Speaker 2: You've got twenty two first round grades.
Speaker 5: That's it.
Speaker 2: That's wild. And last year what was it like fifteen
Speaker 2: or sixteen?
Speaker 5: I think I had eighteen eighteen last year. Okay, so
Speaker 5: you're up by four. Twenty three, okay, that's.
Speaker 2: What I got.
Speaker 3: I have twenty three, so yeah, maybe I have twenty
Speaker 3: four ish. In question, you've got to get along that
Speaker 3: anxiety and up.
Speaker 5: You've got one of those cheater grades.
Speaker 2: It's a one one dash too.
Speaker 5: I've learned that from I've learned that from Dane Burglar.
Speaker 5: Dave Burglar is the fame with Dane will throw a
Speaker 5: three four at you everyone. So you're like, okay, where
Speaker 5: does he?
Speaker 8: Please?
Speaker 5: Wait, we can do that. Sounds good to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how many does that give you? Now?
Speaker 5: If I did that, it would add two more I got.
Speaker 6: I got a couple of tackles that are like fringe there,
Speaker 6: like Jordan Morgan.
Speaker 5: In the Marius Mems.
Speaker 2: They're both right there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're both in the first round or second. I
Speaker 5: think I've got guidance, is it too?
Speaker 3: That's what I was That's something I saw this week
Speaker 3: as well about too. Yeah, people, there's people on the
Speaker 3: fence about memes right now.
Speaker 2: I get that that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that kind of plays into what Brian was
Speaker 3: saying about. Yeah, a lot of people see these guys differently.
Speaker 6: They do well, that's a rock, right, That's one where
Speaker 6: it's like, man, if we're going in with a one
Speaker 6: year do we have time to risk on a Nimarius Mims?
Speaker 6: He might not be really part of the conversation if
Speaker 6: that's kind of the thinking in the room.
Speaker 2: Brian brought it up, who are your top five tackles?
Speaker 2: Then I want to just see how they differ from
Speaker 2: from in the room. Top five tackles that you have
Speaker 2: on your.
Speaker 5: Boarder Fagail shoot fashion, no guiding and Latham okay he
Speaker 5: got Fishanu alt Fulaga, Latham Mims okay, Fatanu. I have
Speaker 5: is a guard moving, but he can he can play.
Speaker 5: See I'm hearing whispers that I'm hearing whispers about Morgan
Speaker 5: being a guard on a lot of teams.
Speaker 2: Lot of teams do look at them that way.
Speaker 6: I think those two probably have flipped as the process
Speaker 6: has gone on because Fatanu certainly he was taller than
Speaker 6: I expected him to be when when he went and
Speaker 6: did measured at the scouting combine. So I think he's
Speaker 6: got more of the tackle flex Morgan. I could see
Speaker 6: kicking inside the guard. So I would if I'm putting
Speaker 6: Fatanu in the conversation with tackles, he would probably be
Speaker 6: my fourth.
Speaker 2: Guy, fourth guy in front of Latham, in.
Speaker 5: Front of Latham.
Speaker 2: Okay, I've got Altashanu, Fuaga, Latham, and then Fatanu, So yeah,
Speaker 2: all different.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that law firm of all those f Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, I have Altu Fuaga and then I have Latham.
Speaker 2: Git there you go, there you go. Yeah, so everybody's different.
Speaker 2: Everybody sees these ts.
Speaker 5: I'm saying, Yeah, it's gonna be crazy if we all
Speaker 5: got a crack at the first one. We always put
Speaker 5: Latham up there, but I mean it's gonna be not Latham,
Speaker 5: but all alt all would be first. And then after
Speaker 5: that it's throw them in a hat and draw them.
Speaker 5: And I think you'd be pretty happy with any one
Speaker 5: of the guys you draw. Yeah, I mean I really do.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't. I wouldn't have a problem with you know,
Speaker 5: like I say that the Washington tackle. I think is
Speaker 5: I think is really I think is really really good.
Speaker 5: The thing with Morgan, you know, the more you talk
Speaker 5: to people, they're like, he's a guard. He's a guard.
Speaker 5: He's a guard. He's a guard. He's a guard, you know.
Speaker 5: And then I talked with scout out in the league
Speaker 5: that does the Southeast. It said that, and I think
Speaker 5: I said this to you guys earlier. He said, Latham
Speaker 5: from Alabama goes, I don't know if he could be
Speaker 5: a left tackle, but I think he'd be an All
Speaker 5: Pro guard. So you know, there's people maybe maybe when
Speaker 5: we at the end of this, when people kind of
Speaker 5: reveal what their board was, that some of these tackles
Speaker 5: will be over on the guard side of the board
Speaker 5: and they really didn't never consider him as tackles.
Speaker 2: Do you think that Latham conversation deals with the fact
Speaker 2: that he's he is a bit heavier, set three forty
Speaker 2: two at the combine and they're all giants.
Speaker 5: All these guys are giants. I mean, I think you.
Speaker 2: Look at the guys around him, three twenty one, three twelve,
Speaker 2: three twenty four, three seventeen, and they got mems that's
Speaker 2: three forty and Latham. That's three forty two.
Speaker 5: So there, I mean there, I would say when he
Speaker 5: pounds off. I think the fact that he went from
Speaker 5: like I was looking, I know, we were all looking
Speaker 5: at him as a three hundred and sixty pound guy
Speaker 5: on tape and now he's the three hundred and forty
Speaker 5: two pound guy. Hopefully he could find a way to
Speaker 5: get down to three thirty three or something like that.
Speaker 5: But man, I mean the guy plays really well. I
Speaker 5: don't see a balanced prom at all. And see everybody
Speaker 5: compares him to like Evan Neil, you know, like well
Speaker 5: no in a way of like no, no, the massive team. Yeah,
Speaker 5: well you know, see they had a chance, they had
Speaker 5: a chance to move when Elvan Neil graduated. They had
Speaker 5: a chance to move Latham to left tackle, and they
Speaker 5: didn't do it. And they didn't want to weaken two
Speaker 5: positions is what they were looking at, and so that's
Speaker 5: why he played right tackle. It's like they said, listen,
Speaker 5: we'll find But man, I just I kind of I
Speaker 5: see a better player than Evan Neil with Latham. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I think that's what I that's I mean, I you know,
Speaker 5: Evan Neil, And I'm not just saying because what I'm
Speaker 5: seeing in the pros. I just see a better Latham.
Speaker 5: I think is a better player.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Darnell Right, that was my comp to him. I
Speaker 2: think he's more closer to a Darnell Right because of
Speaker 2: the lank, the athleticism, the power, the.
Speaker 6: Consistency, a little bit of the violence and aggression in
Speaker 6: his game. I mean, I did write in my notes,
Speaker 6: I wonder if you can kick inside be a good guard.
Speaker 6: I think he can be an elite right tackle, but
Speaker 6: I'm not sure he could ever play on the left,
Speaker 6: and it might just be an athleticism thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, gotta be able to play on an island. Yeah,
Speaker 5: all right.
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Speaker 2: Beamer in the back. Okay, there was a lot of
Speaker 2: conversa and jess uh, there are a lot of convos
Speaker 2: in the Orlando Winter meetings or not Winter meetings but
Speaker 2: owners meetings where you're talking about running back and defensive
Speaker 2: tackle and so a lot of these fans have really
Speaker 2: lined up with those. We're gonna start with defensive tackle.
Speaker 2: Jake wants to know with the rehab news on Monzie
Speaker 2: Smith going through the shoulder surgery, going to have to
Speaker 2: rehab for a significant portion of the off season should
Speaker 2: be ready for training camp, says Mike McCarthy. But are
Speaker 2: we still writing off defensive tackle early in this draft?
Speaker 5: Not at all.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 6: I mean, as I mentioned earlier, especially if you trade
Speaker 6: back and all of a sudden, you know, maybe maybe
Speaker 6: a Johnny Newton comes into play from Illinois who's a
Speaker 6: hell of a player, Byron Murphy starts to slide from Texas.
Speaker 6: I mean, we've talked quite a bit on the g
Speaker 6: back Nation on Arsh one O five through the fan.
Speaker 6: I love Braydon Fisk out of Florida State. Yeah, I
Speaker 6: wouldn't mind him, you know, in the second round. I
Speaker 6: don't know if you could wait and get him in
Speaker 6: the third. But there's several of these guys and if
Speaker 6: you wanted to wait until the you know, day two.
Speaker 6: I mean, we know some of the guys that they've
Speaker 6: met with, you know, whether it's a Mason Smith from
Speaker 6: LSU who's an intriguing player as well.
Speaker 2: Is there a scenario where you could see a defensive
Speaker 2: tackle going to Dallas in the first round or is
Speaker 2: that pretty much out the door at this point with
Speaker 2: offensive line.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think it just really depends on what if Zimmer
Speaker 3: has to say so, and some of the stuff going on,
Speaker 3: because good lord, you don't have any DT depth right now.
Speaker 4: It's not funny. I don't find it amusing at all.
Speaker 3: I mean, you legitimately don't have any depth at that
Speaker 3: position right now. And to with Zimmer in the way
Speaker 3: he likes to play football, it is front seven.
Speaker 4: That's a problem.
Speaker 3: And you really the window was kind of closed to
Speaker 3: be able to get a veteran guy unless you're going
Speaker 3: to do a June first whatever situation. But have mercy
Speaker 3: you might have to. I know, like it shouldn't be
Speaker 3: a need or whatever. But I'm sweating.
Speaker 4: A little bit over here in his jacket.
Speaker 3: So I do want to ask y'all, because it's intriguing
Speaker 3: to me. Is Newton light years above Byron Murphy? Are
Speaker 3: some people going to look at these guys and think that,
Speaker 3: I mean, the explosiveness is similar.
Speaker 4: I mean, like some people might.
Speaker 6: I mean, I know a couple of people that have
Speaker 6: Newton as a top ten player for them in the
Speaker 6: entire draft. Some people really love Newton. I think they're
Speaker 6: pretty close. I mean, I think Byron Murphy's an absolute
Speaker 6: freak show. I love both those I think Byron Murphy's
Speaker 6: a top fifteen player. I think Newton's probably a top
Speaker 6: twenty five player. They're both very good.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. When you look at Newton, it's the size and athleticism,
Speaker 2: whereas Murphy could probably put on a little bit of size,
Speaker 2: you know, to make it work. But I compared Jishan
Speaker 2: Newton to Nick tomikin Sue Like. I think he's just
Speaker 2: just a game wrecker.
Speaker 5: That's just what he does.
Speaker 6: Is in his ability to maintain the double teams. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I mean he can. He can hold blogs plays with
Speaker 6: great leverage, controls the line of scrimmage. I think he
Speaker 6: can move up like a piano player. I learned that
Speaker 6: term Bryan last Wow, I can play up and down
Speaker 6: the line. Yeah. So, I mean the guy and he's
Speaker 6: a team captain. I think he's just super intelligent. The
Speaker 6: way that he uses his hands hand fighting. For me,
Speaker 6: we've talked about that the last couple of years since
Speaker 6: we've been on the show, Aisha, but I mean that
Speaker 6: stands out. I mean I think that means you're a
Speaker 6: guy that can come in and really hit the ground
Speaker 6: running at the NFL because a lot of players that
Speaker 6: take some time to develop. But his ability also to
Speaker 6: show awareness to get his hands up in passing lanes,
Speaker 6: which is and knocked the ball down.
Speaker 5: I think he's one of the best things that he does.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was very impressed with his tape
Speaker 3: last year and he jumped off the page, and so
Speaker 3: this year I felt like this last season, I still
Speaker 3: feel like he played well, but last year was just
Speaker 3: I don't know. I felt like he really really impressed
Speaker 3: me more last year. But it is what it is
Speaker 3: that the Illinois defense has a lot of guys on it.
Speaker 5: You guys looking for one or three.
Speaker 6: I'd like to find a guy that can be a
Speaker 6: little interchangeable, because I think they need that. But I
Speaker 6: think more so I'm looking at more of the bigger
Speaker 6: bodied than the like then than the Leonard Taylor out
Speaker 6: of Miami really quick.
Speaker 2: I think I would have a true nose. True, that's
Speaker 2: what I want.
Speaker 3: That's me because I think we got a little fancy
Speaker 3: smashy with the tweiners. Yes, yeah, And I think that's
Speaker 3: what's hurts you in this last couple of years is
Speaker 3: a lot of the tweeners and things like that.
Speaker 5: I think that's why I.
Speaker 6: Like Braidon fists because I think he can be a one,
Speaker 6: even though he weighed in a little bit.
Speaker 5: Lighter than he looks when you watch him play.
Speaker 2: I'm tired, but he's got passed. I want a big
Speaker 2: body in the middle.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 5: Boy, disruptive though, Man, what do you want?
Speaker 2: Brian?
Speaker 5: You know what I mean to me? I I like
Speaker 5: these three techniques here. I don't trust Mason Smith. And
Speaker 5: I'm sorry. That's from my alma ma. You know him, Yeah,
Speaker 5: and we watched him. And the thing about it is,
Speaker 5: I'll tell you a guy I really like. I like
Speaker 5: McKinley Jackson from Texas A and M six two three
Speaker 5: twenty six. And I see a guy that plays on
Speaker 5: the other side of the line of scrimmage. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 5: I mean he is, you know, but he's not a
Speaker 5: first round guy. He's not a second round guy. I mean,
Speaker 5: maybe somebody will take him, maybe a little bit earlier.
Speaker 5: Maybe this may will take him a second just because
Speaker 5: there's not a lot of depth at the one. But
Speaker 5: to me, this is an explosive guy, and I that's
Speaker 5: what I feel like. This give me the explosive guy
Speaker 5: paired with Osa. You know, we need Osa to play
Speaker 5: more than thirteen games. He gets tired because he plays
Speaker 5: so damn hard. The whole game just brought this up before.
Speaker 5: When he plays next to somebody that's really, really good,
Speaker 5: it helps him, you know, it helps him to take
Speaker 5: some of the pressure off him. But man, I McKinley
Speaker 5: Jackson to me, if you know, if I can't get Fisk,
Speaker 5: and you know, like I say, we talked about Mason
Speaker 5: Smith and I'm I'm out on that one. I'm out
Speaker 5: on Mason Smith. But McKinley Jackson, that's a guy that
Speaker 5: I would that would take a take a crack at.
Speaker 5: And he doesn't have to be It doesn't have to
Speaker 5: be a first or second round guy. I think this
Speaker 5: is probably a third round guy, maybe maybe a fourth
Speaker 5: round guy, maybe the start of the second or the
Speaker 5: third day. But this guy is a hell of a
Speaker 5: football player. He really really is.
Speaker 2: Yeah. He's six foot two three and twenty six pounds. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I mean played a lot of zero techniques and
Speaker 2: he played.
Speaker 5: He played, He can anchor down, he's good against double teams.
Speaker 5: I mean, explosive, he's got.
Speaker 4: Penetration.
Speaker 5: For give me that guy. Give me somebody. I mean,
Speaker 5: I trust me. If Cowboy Nation and maybe all of us,
Speaker 5: if they have to use another first round pick on
Speaker 5: a on a one technique. You know it's gonna be like, damn,
Speaker 5: didn't we just do this?
Speaker 4: It will I mean, it make some people.
Speaker 5: But but I'm not saying anything. Is a damn good
Speaker 5: player from Florida State. You watch him, You watch him.
Speaker 5: He is disruptive. He gets down the line, he throws
Speaker 5: blockers aside, he gets in in the pocket. He could
Speaker 5: run guys down. Just watch the Senior Bowl drills. When
Speaker 5: he's going against really good competition on this offensive line,
Speaker 5: he's he's wrecking shop there. So yeah, I mean to me,
Speaker 5: I know, we we've talked about the other guys. To me,
Speaker 5: the other guys that you're visiting about, you know, when
Speaker 5: you start to talk about Newton and got Jenkins from Michigan,
Speaker 5: guys like that, Murphy, those are all three techniques to me.
Speaker 5: You know, this team needs somebody that's a badass at
Speaker 5: one and it's unfortunate that the guy they drafted last
Speaker 5: year was dealing with a lot of things. You know,
Speaker 5: he just wasn't he just wasn't up to the task
Speaker 5: right now, and hopefully you'll figure that out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was one of the topics of conversation. Steven
Speaker 2: Jones talked about he could they can maybe look at
Speaker 2: adding a veteran in that room, but the defensive tackle
Speaker 2: is definitely a position where they're going to look at
Speaker 2: in the draft. Same thing can be said for running back.
Speaker 2: He talked about Jonathan Brooks extensively. His quote says, it
Speaker 2: always helps when one of the doctors are very familiar
Speaker 2: with does the surgery.
Speaker 5: He's going to be picking the second round for the Cowboys,
Speaker 5: that'd be very do you think so? Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 5: just connect dots. Doctor Cooper did the surgery. He's a
Speaker 5: hell of this kid's a hell of a football player.
Speaker 5: Doctor Cooper, he did he did the surgery for if
Speaker 5: you remember for for Smith. You know our linebacker way
Speaker 5: back in the day. You know, yeah, Jalen Jalen Jones Smith.
Speaker 5: So you know, doctor Cooper's there to tell Jim Mowers
Speaker 5: got the medical information. They know when the rehab is.
Speaker 5: You know, they went and they sent a guy, They
Speaker 5: sent their coach to Austin to work these guys out.
Speaker 5: He had dinner with the guy. He's a thirty visit guy.
Speaker 5: If this ain't lining up like a Cowboy pick, potentially
Speaker 5: at fifty six. I don't know what is you know,
Speaker 5: maybe people think he's the third round guy. I don't.
Speaker 5: I'm in the second.
Speaker 2: Round of him in the second yeah, I mean yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't think he lasts to eighties.
Speaker 6: No, I think him bent probably go off the board
Speaker 6: in the second round. I mean it was a clean
Speaker 6: tear in the ACL. They seem to think that he
Speaker 6: could be ready to go for training camp, which is positive.
Speaker 6: So he's a hell of a player. If it weren't
Speaker 6: for the ACL, I'd have no question about making that
Speaker 6: pick at fifty six.
Speaker 5: But I'm with you.
Speaker 6: It seems like it is trending in that direction, and
Speaker 6: in the second round. The Cowboys have a history of
Speaker 6: doing that with guys coming off of injury.
Speaker 3: Can I definitely want to I want to ask you
Speaker 3: guys though with and I could be wrong, but with
Speaker 3: how the running back position is starting to look.
Speaker 4: Like is being valued?
Speaker 3: Is like get what you need to get out of
Speaker 3: your first contract. Because these teams are doing by committee,
Speaker 3: there's unfortunately less value for the position. Does that make you,
Speaker 3: as a scout or as a team a little more like, well,
Speaker 3: less nervous to take a guy with an ACL or
Speaker 3: a past aco or something because unfortunately, and I'm not
Speaker 3: trying to say this in a bad way, because they
Speaker 3: deserve the respect, but I'm just saying, is it one
Speaker 3: of those things where they're more willing to take some
Speaker 3: of these guys who've come off of ines and things
Speaker 3: like that, because quite frankly, they're not planning on giving
Speaker 3: them a second contract, because that's kind of what the position.
Speaker 2: Is for You're saying, longevity doesn't matter as much, durability
Speaker 2: doesn't matter as much.
Speaker 3: Especially since it's by committee a lot as well, which
Speaker 3: I know sucks to say, but it seems like kind
Speaker 3: of the reality of the position is that maybe why
Speaker 3: they're more teams may be more open to.
Speaker 2: Doing things like this, maybe teams in general. But the
Speaker 2: one thing about across the hall, they need running back
Speaker 2: help now, right, I mean tracking that they need running
Speaker 2: back help now. So if Jonathan Brooks is not ready
Speaker 2: for training camp or not ready for the regular season,
Speaker 2: and they know that, I don't see them spending a
Speaker 2: first or a second round pick on the game.
Speaker 5: They could.
Speaker 2: But if he's but if he's ready and he's as
Speaker 2: explosive on tape and he's back to one hundred percent
Speaker 2: and he's ready to go and he's able to contribute
Speaker 2: week one, then absolutely I think they would take that
Speaker 2: pick and run with it because longevity is not as
Speaker 2: big of a factor and durability in the in the
Speaker 2: short term is good to go.
Speaker 3: Okay, I guess that's why I was trying to ask.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I feel the same way. I love
Speaker 5: Trey Britt Benson from Florida State too, so, but I
Speaker 5: don't know. I don't know if they do. That's the
Speaker 5: thing about it, Like.
Speaker 6: Benson's my number one guy. I mean, I've I've the
Speaker 6: two guys that I fight for. Jalen right out of
Speaker 6: Tennessee I absolutely love to go, and then Ray Davis
Speaker 6: from Kentucky. Those would be my other two fallback options
Speaker 6: that that I like a lot, and then marsh On
Speaker 6: Lloyd from USC seems like he's really made it.
Speaker 5: I like Lloyd a lot too. And to me, I
Speaker 5: just the reason I make the comment about Benson being
Speaker 5: a guy a cowboy, because it's just there's too many
Speaker 5: things lining up for Brooks. Yeah, for Jonathan Brooks, I
Speaker 5: say Benson, Yeah, we were just talking about Brooks. Yeah, Brooks.
Speaker 5: To me, there's just too many things lining up. I
Speaker 5: mean the doctor the thirty visit, the dinners that you know,
Speaker 5: they're they're they're going to bring him in on his
Speaker 5: thirty visit there. Doctor Cooper's probably gonna be downstairs, probably
Speaker 5: gonna take a look at the knee again. You know,
Speaker 5: I'm sure there's been some He's got the indie rechecks
Speaker 5: that they're going to do in April. He'll get that done.
Speaker 5: It just seems like to me if that's what they're
Speaker 5: going to do. But there are a lot of good
Speaker 5: backs in this draft. There are there, I mean, and
Speaker 5: stretches pretty good. And let me ask you this though
Speaker 5: a one technique or running back.
Speaker 2: In the second, in the second, oh whatever, whatever players
Speaker 2: higher on your board, just just give it.
Speaker 5: Didn't do you don't have to be the player. Just
Speaker 5: give me the position. If it would you take a
Speaker 5: running back in the second or a defensive tackle if
Speaker 5: the if the grades were equal.
Speaker 6: Equal a defensive tackle, because I think running back stretches more.
Speaker 6: I don't think that the drop off is big for me.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Because Brian brought up like a McKinley Jackson. There are
Speaker 3: a couple of DT's like even again, call some guys
Speaker 3: that are a little down.
Speaker 5: The Yeah, I don't think there's a many a running back.
Speaker 3: No, And that's one of the.
Speaker 4: I struggle with it.
Speaker 5: It's it's a that's a tough question.
Speaker 6: But I think initially I would rather take a Fisk
Speaker 6: in the second round and the circle back and grab
Speaker 6: Ray Davis from Kentucky and I'd feel really good.
Speaker 3: But also, Toby, how are we running the ball this year?
Speaker 3: Like I'm I think it also depends too, is if
Speaker 3: there are going to be improvements with how they run
Speaker 3: the ball this year periods I'm like, I'm not trying
Speaker 3: to take no offense. She Smitchy running back and he
Speaker 3: gonna get tackled in the backfield every time.
Speaker 5: If you can't blog, it doesn't matter. Well, you're in
Speaker 5: this no way to know it.
Speaker 2: I would assume in the first round, if in this
Speaker 2: you're taking an offensive lineman, that you're taking either a
Speaker 2: tackle or.
Speaker 5: Your center in the first round. I'm trying to I'm
Speaker 5: trying to see how committed you are taking a running
Speaker 5: back in the second round.
Speaker 6: I'm not super committed. I'm not that committed. I do
Speaker 6: think they're going to I mean, I think.
Speaker 5: There's more depth of ice ship running back, say rounds
Speaker 5: three and four than what your tackle is looking at,
Speaker 5: And I sider just screaming at you because I don't
Speaker 5: have a one technique.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, that was what I was about to say.
Speaker 3: Though, I think there's less depth for a real one
Speaker 3: tech in this draft, So I mean there are more
Speaker 3: options at running back later if you do decide to
Speaker 3: do that as well.
Speaker 4: But I mean, you resigned Rico. That's a thing.
Speaker 3: So I wonder also to like, what are what are
Speaker 3: they looking for to package with with Rico?
Speaker 5: You know, when you're looking for your starting running back?
Speaker 3: Yeah, are you looking so? Okay?
Speaker 4: So Rico is going to be you think hasn't.
Speaker 6: Ever played a full season in the NFL, you know,
Speaker 6: I mean I think you're looking for your starter, and
Speaker 6: I like.
Speaker 5: One technique you draft might be the starter. To think
Speaker 5: that the guy that you're drafting, what choice is he
Speaker 5: going to.
Speaker 4: Have right now?
Speaker 3: I mean, you starter in Seattle, he got paid two dollars.
Speaker 4: Two dollars.
Speaker 5: I think I would take your preaching to the choir here.
Speaker 2: If Jonathan Brooks is there, I'm going with an equal
Speaker 2: I have an equal grade on Jonathan Brooks.
Speaker 5: Fisk or Brooks and Fisk I'm taking.
Speaker 2: I think I would take Fisk.
Speaker 4: Fisk is higher on board, it should be.
Speaker 5: What about t Sweat?
Speaker 6: What about the two Texas kids, Devandre Sweater Brooks, Well,
Speaker 6: because there you're talking about a legit big boy to.
Speaker 2: Brooks just because he's higher on my board.
Speaker 5: Brooks probably higher than Sweat too, But that's close.
Speaker 2: You know what I take that they're touching tag take
Speaker 2: it back, give me Sweat taking Sweat, Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: that's a better player.
Speaker 6: See the one guy that I really want to fight for,
Speaker 6: and he's not a true nose, but disruptive as hell.
Speaker 6: And you just Brandon Dorles, the Oregon defensive Like that guy,
Speaker 6: that guy's just freaking have it.
Speaker 2: That's another twin in the middle, and he is he
Speaker 2: has another back outside.
Speaker 6: Yeah he is, because like three four he'd play a
Speaker 6: three four defensive end. But gosh, I watched Brandon Dorles somewhere.
Speaker 5: What the hell I know?
Speaker 6: I know, but gosh, he's disruptive, like you watch him,
Speaker 6: and he's living in the opponent's backfield.
Speaker 5: He's and he's so long. I mean, he's a tough guy.
Speaker 5: To put a late third on him. If he's an
Speaker 5: edge rusher.
Speaker 2: I think I would put a like maybe a second.
Speaker 6: But yeah, he doesn't fit body type into what we're
Speaker 6: talking about in either position.
Speaker 5: He plays the one, but he can.
Speaker 4: Play everywhere, and that y'all loves. I mean, fatanu.
Speaker 3: He said, he said that her Brandon Dorlyss was the
Speaker 3: best player he played play.
Speaker 5: You could see it when you watched him washing too.
Speaker 5: He gave her a fit.
Speaker 4: He said that.
Speaker 3: He said, he literally said that he's the hardest person
Speaker 3: he played against.
Speaker 2: You brought up Gabe Paul from Baylor.
Speaker 5: What did you like about him?
Speaker 2: I think if you're looking at late defensive tackle options,
Speaker 2: that's another one that I think is a little bit
Speaker 2: under the radar. I mean, here, I'll give it based
Speaker 2: off of what I've got. Six foot six, two hundred
Speaker 2: and ninety one pounds. Uh. He was a tall, lengthy
Speaker 2: frame on the interior, used that link to effect the
Speaker 2: passing lane game, leverage on blockers. I liked his hands.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: He was a defensive tackle with Baylor, but he played
Speaker 2: a little bit outside three technique five technique. Kind of
Speaker 2: went back and forth.
Speaker 3: Because yeah, I mean, with me, the one thing I'm
Speaker 3: learning to look at with DTS that I really admire
Speaker 3: the most is how patient they can be, and also
Speaker 3: to the extension very good. And if there are length,
Speaker 3: he has the length, and I think that plays a
Speaker 3: big role in what he's able to do in some
Speaker 3: of the hands. His hands are huge and he has
Speaker 3: heavy hands. So the a lot of these guys, especially
Speaker 3: these DTS and these middle like sometimes that patience takes
Speaker 3: time to develop. Even talking to Hankins and some of
Speaker 3: the guys that played the position, they say that that
Speaker 3: typically takes time. When you see some of these guys
Speaker 3: display patients early, I think that's a good sign of
Speaker 3: their development.
Speaker 4: And he's one of those guys that has some of
Speaker 4: that in his game.
Speaker 2: He's fun, a little bit everywhere, tone.
Speaker 4: And super but his motor but.
Speaker 3: Also the the motor super high with him. He's very
Speaker 3: relentless in his pursuit and that was interesting to me
Speaker 3: as well. And he's not a pretty player. I wrote
Speaker 3: that down as well. It's like he's not pretty. It's
Speaker 3: not always going to look perfect for him. But the
Speaker 3: motor and the effort and the way he just keeps
Speaker 3: playing and fighting with his hands to get separation is
Speaker 3: typically what does it for him. He's not super explosive,
Speaker 3: but he a mad crazy split like he doesn't just
Speaker 3: he doesn't look super explosive on field, but on in
Speaker 3: that at the combine he had a one point seventy
Speaker 3: two split ten yard split, which shows that he can
Speaker 3: get some burst off the line, maybe a little bit
Speaker 3: more than what I thought he was.
Speaker 5: That's pretty impressed watching me. It's Cooper bb.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he did a really good job against bby able
Speaker 6: to get upfield.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he kicked Texas text ass.
Speaker 5: That was the one game.
Speaker 3: And the size, I mean, he has decent size, six
Speaker 3: six two ninety two. Maybe you put a little bit
Speaker 3: more weight on him, he's three hundred pounds. I mean,
Speaker 3: you might be working with something there in the later again,
Speaker 3: in the later rounds because there's not as much fancy
Speaker 3: running back dip down.
Speaker 5: All right. He sounded very much like John Gruden when
Speaker 5: he one time goes he's getting it drinking, proud king
Speaker 5: because he has it drinking. Probably gave me that whiny
Speaker 5: voice one time he's want to punch him. Did that
Speaker 5: player turn out okay? Or oh it was fine? John
Speaker 5: Johns all right. John was arguing with the scouts real
Speaker 5: quick if it could John was arguing with the scouts
Speaker 5: and about a wider and you know he John was
Speaker 5: just going on and on and on, and then he
Speaker 5: stopped and he looked at all the scouts him. He goes, yeah,
Speaker 5: none of you like him because he's getting grab him.
Speaker 5: And then you know we all would just start dying laughing.
Speaker 5: But that was John. John was right about a lot
Speaker 5: of players.
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Speaker 5: Who that player you were talking about?
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Speaker 7: That was.
Speaker 5: The Georgia corner when you get an.
Speaker 6: Hey, we we called that one too. That guy could
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Speaker 2: He also had some medicals last year people didn't like.
Speaker 2: All Right, the biggest under the radar need for this
Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys team entering the draft, and by this point
Speaker 2: usually you've had some some free agent signings, you've made
Speaker 2: some sort of motion, you've done something to sure up
Speaker 2: your holes. What holes are still there that maybe aren't
Speaker 2: being talked about as much as the running back, the
Speaker 2: offensive line, the defensive tackle.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna let I.
Speaker 6: Used to know you've got like you ready, you you
Speaker 6: take this one.
Speaker 5: I know you're ready, and then I'll follow up.
Speaker 3: Listen, you're about to tell us that I am I.
Speaker 4: Think tight end is need.
Speaker 2: Boom boom pal.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: I only say this because, uh, you didn't get much
Speaker 3: from Peyton hinder shot last year. Schoolmaker just had surgery
Speaker 3: and a lot of the things he did for you
Speaker 3: last year were blocking.
Speaker 4: John Stevens is maybe.
Speaker 3: The guy that you're looking at to do some things
Speaker 3: for you. But I think Jake Ferguson needs another rody
Speaker 3: that's gonna be consistent. And I really also feel like
Speaker 3: if you look at last year's tape, Baby, when you
Speaker 3: got in twelve personnel, nobody cared because they like were
Speaker 3: watching tape on this this rookie. We know, y'all not
Speaker 3: throwing him the ball, so they're not they don't care.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: I understand you can run plays and this is the
Speaker 3: look we're gonna do. But if people know that this
Speaker 3: gentleman is not doing anything for you from a receiving standpoint,
Speaker 3: and I'm not saying to just give up on schooning,
Speaker 3: I'm just saying maybe if you do see someone down,
Speaker 3: you know in the later rounds that you're okay taking him.
Speaker 3: So that's just me until laterroun need so like three, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think I think this is something you can do
Speaker 3: a little bit later, depending on what you're doing. I mean,
Speaker 3: I looked at a tip Reemond last night Illinois sixty
Speaker 3: four to two seventy one.
Speaker 4: Very willing blocker. He can get caught up sometimes.
Speaker 3: And sustaining sustaining blocks. He has good straight line speed.
Speaker 3: He has some yack ability, but it's more because of
Speaker 3: the angles he takes than him just being elusive. He
Speaker 3: high points the ball very well though. He is a
Speaker 3: red zone threat and someone that can get after it.
Speaker 3: Dalen Holker, I mean, there's there's some gentlemen that are
Speaker 3: gonna fall down in this uh. I watched aj Barker
Speaker 3: last year, last year, last night, Barn Barner, rather, I
Speaker 3: can't read my own hands right from Michigan. From Michigan,
Speaker 3: I literally wrote down, I said, well, he's a Michigan
Speaker 3: tight end.
Speaker 4: Though, yeah, bell out there blocking, I mean ging the
Speaker 4: guy as well.
Speaker 3: But I don't think I think he'll be gone before
Speaker 3: I'm not. I don't think that it's that much of
Speaker 3: a need that you're gonna pick that early. And I
Speaker 3: think he's gonna.
Speaker 5: He's played a Day two guy, sneak up.
Speaker 6: Like a Cayden Stover from Ohio State. If he slipped
Speaker 6: to the fourth round, I think that'd be a pretty
Speaker 6: good value.
Speaker 4: I really enjoyed his tape.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's slipping to the fourth.
Speaker 5: I think he's a third I think he's probably a
Speaker 5: third round guy, but you never know. He's never known.
Speaker 5: He's well rounded, like both. I thought about it. I
Speaker 5: didn't do it.
Speaker 2: I coward away from it, but I thought about putting
Speaker 2: him in the second. I think he's a legitimate player.
Speaker 2: He's ready to play the block.
Speaker 4: I like, yeah, it's just the temperament, man.
Speaker 3: And I think when you got a badass tight end
Speaker 3: that's not afraid to go toe to toe with some
Speaker 3: of the best DT's d's.
Speaker 2: George is just one v one right here.
Speaker 5: He's not sched over that they have him as a
Speaker 5: lead blocker.
Speaker 3: He's an yeah and tone sett and tight end, like
Speaker 3: I think it's it's valuable, and so I don't know
Speaker 3: if he's I don't think he's gonna be there, and
Speaker 3: that's why I did not mention his name. But I
Speaker 3: do think tight end feels important for what you want
Speaker 3: to do on the ground, but also to what you want.
Speaker 4: To do through the air. If your aerial attack is
Speaker 4: going to be money.
Speaker 3: Hey, honey, bun, people got tape on fer They starting
Speaker 3: to see what's up. They already know, and so you
Speaker 3: can take advantage of when people were rolling coverage to
Speaker 3: him and doing some things with him.
Speaker 4: I'm and also to help preserve.
Speaker 3: His body because Ferg is like and it's not I'm
Speaker 3: not saying they he's a very tough player, but he's
Speaker 3: doing a lot of extra things and he's out there.
Speaker 3: I mean, they ran eleven personnel so much because it
Speaker 3: was one of the only sets they could successfully get
Speaker 3: passing yards out of consistently. It was their go to
Speaker 3: this year, and I just think adding another tight end
Speaker 3: can really open up your playbook a little bit more
Speaker 3: from a receiving standpoint, and you can get some consistent
Speaker 3: stuff from on the ground. And I mean, I don't
Speaker 3: know what Scoon's going to be like, but I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 3: I don't know. The depth behind those two guys is
Speaker 3: very unsure right now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, because you got Steven's coming off that injury.
Speaker 5: So I hear you. I do.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna go with corner and I've been pretty consistent
Speaker 6: with you. It's like, look they move up to you'll
Speaker 6: get Eric Scott Junior. But was that a guy that
Speaker 6: like DQ had a plan for and now he's out
Speaker 6: of the building. I don't know how Al Harris feels
Speaker 6: about him, but I mean he was the guy we liked.
Speaker 6: I mean, I thought he definitely had some ball skills,
Speaker 6: he's got some trades, he's long, he's he's tough. But
Speaker 6: Digg's coming off an injury, right, I mean, I think
Speaker 6: you feel good about him. Jordan Lewis is on a
Speaker 6: one year deal though Bland of Courts you like, but
Speaker 6: the depth behind those pieces there is a ton of
Speaker 6: question marks. Unless do you want to move Makuamu back
Speaker 6: over to corner. I think that's definitely a spot where
Speaker 6: you're looking at this roster and thinking, okay, they do
Speaker 6: they're pretty top heavy right now.
Speaker 5: You don't have a lot of depth if you were to.
Speaker 6: Have some injuries, So corner to me, I think you
Speaker 6: even have that discussion as early as the second round,
Speaker 6: whether it's TJ. Tampat Iowa State, depending on who's there.
Speaker 6: I mentioned Kyrie Jackson the last shot Oregon. Yeah, who's
Speaker 6: a big guy that I like. The Georgia kids are
Speaker 6: all good. Rakestradue of Missoo. If you were to slide
Speaker 6: Chris Abrams Drain as well out of out of Missouri,
Speaker 6: I think it's an interesting player. So there's a lot
Speaker 6: of corners. I mean we've talked about that. Probably wait
Speaker 6: till day three and even get a corner for depth
Speaker 6: purposes that you feel solid about.
Speaker 3: One question before Brian goes, do y'all think that Elijah
Speaker 3: Jones Boston College maybe is going to fall a little
Speaker 3: bit because I think he had a suspension last year
Speaker 3: for something, and it's.
Speaker 5: So to see what it was.
Speaker 4: Would you be.
Speaker 3: Interested in grabbing in m because you're talking corner, I
Speaker 3: think that maybe because of some of the off field stuff,
Speaker 3: that gentleman could be someone that could fall because of that.
Speaker 2: That's your value pick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's that's that's my point. But I just
Speaker 3: real quick, sorry, go ahead, Brian, Yeah, that's what you got.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, to me, when I look at when
Speaker 5: I look at this roster for the Cowboys, initially thought
Speaker 5: I thought safety was going to be an issue. And
Speaker 5: we'll see what they do with Marquis Spell and put
Speaker 5: moving him back. He's going to go from a linebacker
Speaker 5: to to playing safety. And I know that Mike wants
Speaker 5: to play with interchangeable guys. He wants to be able
Speaker 5: to have really smart guys, football intelligent guys. Marquise Bell
Speaker 5: is kind of all that. So I think that's going
Speaker 5: to help who the backup edges on this team.
Speaker 4: That's I know you're gonna say ed facts, big facts.
Speaker 5: Who's I mean? Now we talk about guys that have
Speaker 5: got to step up and Junior FORJKO is a step
Speaker 5: up guy. Sam Williams a step up guy. But if
Speaker 5: you don't get it, now take Michael Parsons and don't
Speaker 5: make him an edge. Now what are you looking at?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're looking at Sam Williams and DeMarcus Lawrence as
Speaker 2: you're starting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and then yeah. But that's the thing.
Speaker 2: With where he needs to be anyways.
Speaker 5: That's the thing with Golston. He's another one of these
Speaker 5: guys that we all like to sit there and back about. Yeah,
Speaker 5: we all sit there and talk about, like, well, what's
Speaker 5: Goldstan gonna do?
Speaker 7: Well?
Speaker 5: He needs to get better too, you know. So this
Speaker 5: edge to me sneaky, very sneaky. The edge that's they better.
Speaker 5: They better find a way to add a guide maybe too,
Speaker 5: to help them with some of their stuff.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you something, I'm tired of watching it again.
Speaker 3: I understand. It's kind of like what I when I.
Speaker 4: Think about the NBA, you cover the NBA just.
Speaker 3: Kind of like what the three point shot is, and
Speaker 3: how like so many guys want to shoot. They don't
Speaker 3: want to like set the game, they don't want to
Speaker 3: set screens, they don't want to do anything, you know.
Speaker 3: I feel that way about d ns that don't like
Speaker 3: to stop the run. And I'm sick of it, and
Speaker 3: I'm really like, I really am exhausted with uh watching
Speaker 3: a lot of the guys, Like if you come across
Speaker 3: a guy that's willing to rush the pastor but can
Speaker 3: stay squared, be patient and be able to still stop
Speaker 3: the run and time it and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: I think that that's becoming.
Speaker 3: A lot more valuable because a lot of these guys
Speaker 3: are just trying to wreck shop to the quarterback and people.
Speaker 4: Are running past them. And as especially when you start
Speaker 4: talking about.
Speaker 3: The NFL, baby, if that team run our po you
Speaker 3: gonna get your feelings hurt.
Speaker 4: Like and so I'm just the that's something that is
Speaker 4: not concerning to me.
Speaker 3: But I am starting to notice, even from last year
Speaker 3: that a lot of these gentlemen ain't really trying to
Speaker 3: stop that run like that. They want to rush the
Speaker 3: passer and that's that's fine, but it ain't gonna get
Speaker 3: you no starting spot consistently.
Speaker 11: Though.
Speaker 2: I like that comparison, like that's really good versus an
Speaker 2: all around player.
Speaker 6: How you getting paid, right, you get the sack, go
Speaker 6: get it. So, I mean that's what they're valuing right now.
Speaker 5: But I hear you. I'm with it.
Speaker 3: But it's just like, hey, dude, but if you set
Speaker 3: this away screen, yep, it's gonna make everybody else better.
Speaker 6: And it's just you'll get your Jared verse, that well
Speaker 6: rounded type of player.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like there's some there's some guys in here and
Speaker 3: and I hopefully maybe we'll talk about it more Thursday.
Speaker 3: Like there's some guys down this d N depth chart
Speaker 3: that do it. But I'm just starting to realize when
Speaker 3: I see it, I'm like, oh, this is nice.
Speaker 4: He's stopping the run.
Speaker 5: You're gonna run the mock drafted on Thursday.
Speaker 9: Oh.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, it's just mock.
Speaker 2: Draft Thursday morning, eleven am Central Time. Have fun, all
Speaker 2: thirty two picks, smellonga shaw.
Speaker 5: We're just gonna sit there.
Speaker 4: And absolutely no, we will be.
Speaker 2: We will be mock drafting on Thursday. Should be a
Speaker 2: whole lot of fun. We'll go through one through thirty
Speaker 2: trading back.
Speaker 5: I usul don't worry about we'll get.
Speaker 2: Off going on, but that'll be a whole lot of fun.
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