1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants. Giants Giants Give 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: Me Some Jobs, part of the Giants Podcast Networks. 3 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of The Giants Little Podcast, brought 4 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 2: to you by Citizens, the official bank of the New 5 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 2: York Football Giants. I am John Schmellcappy. Thanksgiving week. Everybody 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 2: getting ready for the Giants and the Cowboys our usual 7 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 2: preview show. We're gonna hear from Brian Dable and Bob Papa. 8 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 2: Mickey Spagnola joins us from Dallas Cowboys dot Com to 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,319 Speaker 2: preview the Dallas Cowboys. But we're gonna lead things off 10 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 2: with Evan Neil, who will be getting his third consecutive 11 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 2: start at right tackle for the Giants this week. Now 12 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 2: we're joined by Giants starting right tackle, Evan Neil. Evan, 13 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 2: how are you man? 14 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 3: I'm doing great, man, I happy to be here. 15 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 2: So first of all, how are you feeling? How you 16 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 2: health wise? I'll ask it this way. This is as 17 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,959 Speaker 2: healthy as Evan Neil has felt since X. 18 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 3: I'll say since let's say, since the beginning of mast 19 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 3: year for sure? 20 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 2: Okay, very good. How do you think being able to 21 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 2: play healthy has impacted your ability to play well? 22 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 3: It's all about feeling good. I mean, when your body 23 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 3: feels good, you're capable of doing a little bit more. 24 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 3: You a bit more confident than your abilities when you're 25 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 3: feeling you know, a bit more healthy. So that's that's 26 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:15,479 Speaker 3: that's definitely been helping me out. 27 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 2: So I gotta imagine too, it's less rehab and it's 28 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 2: more training too, Right when when when you're not out there. 29 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 3: Right, yeah, of course there's more time on the practice field, 30 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 3: less time looking your wounds. I mean, obviously you have 31 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 3: to be proactive because you can't let allow things to 32 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 3: you know, stack up a power up. But yeah, very good. 33 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 2: All right, So let's start with how you've played the 34 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 2: last two games. When you've done your self evaluation of 35 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 2: Evan Neil on the field, what have you seen? 36 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 3: My self evaluation? I think I played okay, just given that, 37 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 3: you know, it's been a year since I've been back 38 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,639 Speaker 3: out there mixing it up. Two games under my belt. 39 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 3: I mean obviously, I you know, gave up some you know, 40 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 3: bad plays things out there that I got to clean up, 41 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 3: but also shot showed signs of progression and that was 42 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 3: that was really exciting and it felt good, you know 43 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 3: what I'm saying. Obviously, you know, I'm not a finished product. 44 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 3: I'm going to continue to work, going to continue to 45 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 3: evaluate and get better. But two games in I feel 46 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 3: pretty solid. 47 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 2: So you said you saw signs of progression, if you 48 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 2: don't mind sharing, where do you think you've seen the 49 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 2: improvement and those signs of progression. 50 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 3: I can just say overall of my movement. I mean, 51 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 3: some of my issues are still there, but just throughout 52 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 3: the duration of a game, I feel like I'm able 53 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 3: to sustain a lot better. I still got, you know, 54 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 3: work to do in pass protection, but I feel like 55 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 3: I've been a bit more consistent in pass protection in 56 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 3: the run game. I feel like I've always, you know, 57 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 3: been a pretty good round blocker, but I feel like, 58 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 3: you know, since I've gotten a bit more healthy, you know, 59 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 3: that has elevated as well. But like I said, it's 60 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 3: always a constant continuation throughout the duration of my career. 61 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 3: But it definitely feels good to show signs of progression 62 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 3: and feel like I'm progressing. 63 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,839 Speaker 2: Do you feel like you've progressed mentally too? In how 64 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 2: you kind of deal with when you do have struggles? 65 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 2: Because I'll go to the last game pass play right, 66 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 2: Gladia Cancie wins and side gets the sack. I didn't 67 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 2: see another quick win against you for the rest of 68 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 2: the game. In past pro, have you trained yourself when 69 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 2: there is a bad play to be able to digest it, 70 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 2: learn from it, and then quickly move on. 71 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, I feel like since I've been in 72 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 3: the league, I mean I've kind of had enough bad plays, 73 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 3: you know, kind of happened to me, kind of dealt 74 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,679 Speaker 3: with enough bad plays, and it kind of just has 75 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 3: me in the mindset of just okay, next play. I mean, 76 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 3: I can allow, you know, the previous play to you know, 77 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 3: affect the drive. So obviously you know that sack. I 78 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 3: felt like I shouldn't have gave it up, you know 79 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 3: what I'm saying, And yeah, I kind of was a 80 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 3: bit frustrated behind it, but I'm like, okay, I'm still 81 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 3: out here in the heat of battle. I gotta finish 82 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 3: this drive, so you know, I better focus on this. 83 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 3: And you know, a critique myself after the game. But 84 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 3: during the game, I gotta play ball. 85 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 2: I thought you're run blocking, especially in your first game 86 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 2: in there was phenomenal. You're moving guys off the ball, 87 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 2: and I feel like the team has navigated a little 88 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 2: bit more towards more of a downhill power duo stuff. 89 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 2: You've mixed something outside zoning into. Do you think that 90 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 2: plays to your strength as a run block, to be 91 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 2: able to get downhill and move people down the field. 92 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 3: Yes, definitely in dual schemes, me and GVR getting those 93 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 3: good deuce blocks, all those backside b blocks on inside 94 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 3: zone plays, just me being able to take a drop 95 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 3: step and being able to just you know, just bear 96 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 3: down on a guy and you know, generate a good movement. 97 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 3: You know, whenever me and GVR get a good double team, 98 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 3: you know you can guarantee that you know we're gonna 99 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 3: get you know, a positive yardage, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, 100 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 3: So it definitely feels uh, it feels good getting those 101 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 3: double team blocks. It plays well into my strengths and 102 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 3: I think it helps us stay on track on offense. 103 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 2: You took me where I wanted to go. Greg Van Roten, 104 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 2: he's played really well this year. He's gotten better as 105 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 2: years gone along. How much does it help you to 106 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 2: have a season vet with so much experience next to 107 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 2: you to help you transition back into the lineup. 108 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 3: It helps a lot. Having a guy like Greg there 109 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 3: to be quite honest with you, I mean his experience. 110 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 3: I think, see, the guy's like thirty four years old 111 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 3: in the league twelve years and he's still doing at 112 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 3: a high level, and he's always talking to me. Just 113 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 3: any kind of tips or porners, you know what I'm 114 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 3: saying that he can give me, whether it's x's and 115 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 3: o's or you know, just kind of anything. He's He's 116 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 3: been a good resource for our entire offensive line room 117 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 3: to have. So uh, that definitely definitely a great guy. 118 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 2: And I know one part of the offensive line play 119 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 2: that requires a lot of chemistry is dealing with those 120 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 2: twisting stunts, right, And I feel like the last couple 121 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 2: of years, and not just you, the whole team has 122 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 2: at issues with twisting stunts and picking that up. But 123 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 2: I feel like even stepping in first couple of games, 124 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 2: you and Greg and the line has done a pretty 125 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 2: good job passing those off and you have for most 126 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 2: of the year. 127 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I felt like we were okay passing up twists 128 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 3: and stunts. 129 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 2: This past game, there were a couple of there that 130 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 2: got I. 131 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 3: Gave up a few, but you just got to get back, 132 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying and and and see what's 133 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 3: in front of you and state square, and really it's 134 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 3: about being patient and just setting, uh, setting the same 135 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 3: level as your guy, you know, so that maybe whenever 136 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 3: they you know, twist, you can pass it off. You're 137 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 3: on the same level and you know a lot of 138 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 3: times you do it correctly. It's kind of sleepy. 139 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 2: Is that some of the stuff that Colin Bursillo new 140 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 2: offensive line coaches helped your group with kind of working 141 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 2: and staying on the same level, doing those fundamental things 142 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 2: that allow you to pick up some of those games wells. 143 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 3: Definitely, I can definitely tell you that he's done that, 144 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 3: just telling us to just stay on the same level, 145 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 3: trust our set, and just you know, be on the 146 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 3: same page. 147 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 2: Where's he helped you as individual player in terms of 148 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 2: technique and things like that, so you can make the 149 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 2: type of progress you've been talking about. 150 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 3: I think Km's a great coach. I feel like he 151 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 3: gives guys uh the freedom to kind of, you know, 152 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 3: play their own style of play, but he also you know, 153 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 3: he has to coach us in the way that they 154 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 3: want us to block. You know what I'm saying, Everything 155 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 3: works together, Everything works together in unison, of course. I 156 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 3: mean he's done a good job of that. I mean, 157 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 3: whether it's you know, hey, whenever you're setting this way, 158 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 3: you know, maybe if you know, you said a little 159 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 3: bit more vertical to posts at an angle going against 160 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 3: this type of Russia, or you know, maybe if you 161 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 3: use your outside hand a little bit more opposed to 162 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 3: using your inside handle a little bit more, you know, 163 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 3: just making sure and never and our past protection and 164 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 3: my odds are in the right place, you know what 165 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 3: I'm saying, and things of that nature were never resorting and 166 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 3: you know I got to you know, squeeze on blitz 167 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 3: and linebackers and that nature. Just making sure that I'm 168 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 3: ironed out on the nextes and O's as well. You know, 169 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 3: Kars done a good job. 170 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 2: Now that he's had his hands on you. Since you've 171 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 2: come back and been healthy in August, do you look 172 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 2: back and say, oh, man, I wish I could have 173 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 2: been doing with this with him all the way back 174 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 2: to March when you're still trying to recover from the 175 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 2: injury last year, and how much further along. 176 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 4: You might be. 177 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 3: I don't really think about it that way, because at 178 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 3: the end of the day, I feel like I'm supposed 179 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 3: to be. Everything happened the way that they were supposed 180 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 3: to happen, and the good thing is I'm here right now, 181 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 3: I'm starting, I'm healthy, and I'm ready to go, and 182 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 3: I thank God for it. 183 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 2: All Right, you talk about areas you still want to 184 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 2: improve on. What's your focus right now? What are some 185 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 2: of the things technique wise as a past protected that 186 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 2: you're still working on week in, week out in practice 187 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 2: on the field by yourself after before practice that you're 188 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 2: trying to find Two. 189 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, just trusted my past and just being there, you 190 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, And I feeling like I got 191 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 3: to get to the spot too early. Yeah, you gotta 192 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 3: respect you know, NFL pass rush speed, for sure, you 193 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 3: gotta respect those guys. But a lot of times, as 194 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 3: Almos like an octaiccle to losion, a guy is not 195 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 3: as close or sometimes he's not as far as you 196 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 3: may think. So just you know, just trusting yourself, finding 197 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 3: that patience and ultimately just finding that just that range. 198 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 3: And that's kind of something you got to get a 199 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 3: feel for, and that comes through repetition and whatnot. So 200 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 3: that's that's what I'm working on. 201 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 2: That's great. I think you're gonna deal with one of 202 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 2: those speed rushers this week that gets on your pretty 203 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 2: fast than Michael Parson's right, he winds the bowl over 204 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 2: the place. When you're going up against a guy like that, 205 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 2: what are the main challenges and trying to keep him 206 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 2: off your quarterback. 207 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 3: Getting off from the snap count and setting under control. 208 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 3: Gotta be inside out of a guy like him. He's slippery, 209 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 3: he's a water rusher. He's gonna take the path at 210 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 3: least resistance. So a big guy like me, man, I 211 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 3: just want to be as big and as imposing as possible. 212 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 3: I want to use my mask and I want to 213 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 3: play my game. I mean, obviously have to respect his strengths, 214 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 3: his quickness, his quickness and all of his attributes as well, 215 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 3: but I have to do a good job of, you know, 216 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 3: using mind. 217 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 2: Also, obviously you a rough game last week against the Bucks. 218 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 2: Team came up. What's the morale been like at the 219 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 2: walkthroughs in the locker room and practice this week? 220 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tough. And then we play on a short week, 221 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 3: you know, so it's really no time to even process 222 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 3: the game, to be quite honest with you, because so 223 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 3: we get on the flight, we fout the Dallas, you know, 224 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 3: for the Thanksgiving game, so you really don't have really 225 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 3: much time to process it. We just kind of got 226 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 3: to move on the road with the punchers. That's where 227 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 3: we're at right now. We just kind of got to 228 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 3: pick up our shovel and dig our way out. 229 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 2: When you looked at the tape, there were some guys 230 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 2: that mentioned maybe there might have been some effort issues. 231 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 2: I gotta be honest, I went through it. I didn't 232 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 2: see a lot of guys like tapping out and not 233 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 2: playing hard. I saw guys playing hard every snap. When 234 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 2: you watch the tape, what did you see from the 235 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 2: offense as a whole, or if you just want to 236 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 2: talk about the offensive line, that's fine too. In the 237 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 2: game last week. 238 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, man, See, effort is one of those things that 239 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 3: can only be judged between you and God. So at 240 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 3: the end of the day, we have a lot of 241 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 3: hard workers on this team, and everybody that went out 242 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 3: there to play, they fight their ass off and they 243 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 3: want to win football games. So my lack of effort, 244 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 3: I didn't see that. 245 00:09:58,200 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 2: What was it like having Tommy and huddle with you 246 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 2: get it was. 247 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:02,719 Speaker 3: Good having to beat up in the huddle man. He 248 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 3: definitely brings his own unique energy for sure. He has 249 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 3: an upbeat guy, got his own you know, kind of 250 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 3: swag to him. So it's dope. It's been dope. 251 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 2: Did you see him hit his rhythm a little bit 252 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 2: in the second half. It seemed like in the first 253 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 2: half things were moving really fast and then get the 254 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 2: ball out a couple of times. But he seemed to 255 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 2: really hit his comfort in the third quarter. 256 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 3: Definitely, we got to do a better job up front 257 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 3: of keeping him comfortable, you know what I'm saying, taking 258 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 3: hits off of him. So just making sure he can 259 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 3: get back and get into a rhythm, go through his 260 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 3: progressions and trust itself and let it fly. 261 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 2: So many things happened last week and now the short 262 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 2: week this week has the team now fully moved on 263 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 2: from the Daniel stuff last week and the quarterbacks. Are 264 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 2: you guys past that and just ready to play on 265 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 2: Thursday at this point? 266 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just ready to go out there, play ball 267 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 3: and get back home and join some turkey with the family. 268 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 2: Are you psyched to play on Thanksgiving? Is this like 269 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 2: for a football guy like you, something that's special. 270 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 3: It's extremely special, Just for everybody back home to be 271 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 3: able to turn on TV and you know, watch me 272 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 3: play ball. I got a chance to go home and 273 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 3: give away turkeys, give everybout three hundred turkeys in my hometown. 274 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 3: So that was dope. So everybody tuning in, it's gonna 275 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 3: be awesome to go out there and play in front 276 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 3: of them. 277 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 2: And final I'll just ask you this, are you guys 278 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 2: a little annoyed? You know? Because I know a lot 279 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 2: of the talk this week about how last week's game 280 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 2: win and everything that's going on. I got to imagine 281 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 2: going into a and this is how I would feel 282 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 2: going into a national game on a Thursday. Everyone's gonna 283 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 2: be watching you everything that was said about you guys 284 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 2: on Sunday. I imagine you guys are gonna play a 285 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 2: little angry on Thursday or obviously under control and do 286 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 2: what you have to do. But I imagine you guys 287 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 2: have a little bit of a proven attitude going into 288 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 2: this game. 289 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 3: No, yeah, we're just gonna go out there and do 290 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 3: our job and uh, you know, prove ourselves right regardless 291 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 3: of whatever the outcome, you know is, you know, I 292 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 3: want to look in the mirror and look at myself 293 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 3: and understand that I did everything that I could to 294 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,079 Speaker 3: go out there and get a win. And I'm sure 295 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 3: everybody on the offense offensive line has the same mentality. 296 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 3: So uh gonna get ready to play ball. 297 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 2: Can't wait to see it, Evan. Great to see it 298 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:47,719 Speaker 2: back in the starting lineup. Thanks so much for the time. 299 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 3: Thank you brother. 300 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 2: Get in here. If you're lined up here, you gotta 301 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 2: go over the middle with at the score. 302 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 5: Great. 303 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 3: How do we make that happen? 304 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 4: I don't know, but. 305 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 2: It makes sense if your money when Citizens, Official Bank 306 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 2: of Eli manning great stuff from Evan. The Giants Total 307 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 2: podcast is brought to you by Citizens, the official Bank 308 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 2: of the Giants. From game day celebrations to your everyday 309 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 2: financial needs. Big Blue fans can get the most out 310 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 2: of every moment with Citizens. Learn more at Citizens bank 311 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 2: dot com slash Giants. Now let's turn our attention to 312 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,439 Speaker 2: the opposing team, Mickey Spagnola from Dallas Cowboys dot com. 313 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 2: And now we turn to our game preview. We are 314 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,599 Speaker 2: joined by the one and only Mickey Spagnola front of 315 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 2: the program from Dallascowboys dot com. Mickey, Happy Thanksgiving, my friend. 316 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 5: How are you I'm doing fine? Happy Thanksgiving to you too. 317 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 2: All right, So let's get into it first. Injury wise, 318 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 2: who should we expect to see on the field for 319 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 2: the Cowboys and who should we not expect to see 320 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 2: in the field for the Cowboys on Thursday. 321 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 5: Now, that's a really good question. And I don't know 322 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 5: that on this short week. They haven't really done anything 323 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 5: till later today, so it's really hard to predict from 324 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 5: an injury standpoint. I think one person that looks like 325 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 5: or maybe two guys that are how awesome. Richards was 326 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 5: alternating at left tackle with Tyler Giton. He got a 327 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 5: high ankle strain, so I think that's gonna end that 328 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:20,839 Speaker 5: rotation during the game. And Jakes Ferguson, their starting tight end, 329 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 5: was in concussion protocol and missed the game Sunday against Washington, 330 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:28,319 Speaker 5: and I don't know if he's going to be able 331 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 5: to clear in time to be able to play on Thursday. 332 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 5: So that's one will continue to look at. And that's 333 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 5: for the other guy and guys. And I'm sure you 334 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 5: saw the loundry list of injuries they had out for yesterday. 335 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 5: The guys that they listed it did not participate and 336 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 5: they really just had to walk through. I'm not sure 337 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 5: of just where they're gonna be. That's kind of a 338 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 5: wait and see thing. Looks like Dron Bland got through 339 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 5: the game. Okay. That was his first game to play 340 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 5: all season at cornerback after a fracturing his fifth meta 341 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 5: tarsal during training camp. So I think he made it through. 342 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 5: So I think he's good to go. And there's a 343 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 5: good chance maybe Brandon Cooks don't know about that for sure. 344 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 5: He's been basically on injured reserve for five weeks, six weeks. Now, 345 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 5: we'll see how that one goes. 346 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 2: All right, I want to talk to you about the defense. 347 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 2: Why were they able to kind of turn things around? 348 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 2: And maybe you can correct me if I'm wrong. Have 349 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 2: their best defensive performance of the year against the Commanders 350 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 2: last week. 351 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, it helped that Deron Bland returned. I think Micah Parsons, 352 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 5: you know, this was his third game back. He looked 353 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 5: more like himself in in that game. And you know, 354 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 5: I think the other thing is is some of the 355 00:14:56,080 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 5: young guys that they were forced to play in injury 356 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 5: absences of other guys maybe starting to come around. And 357 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 5: I don't know, you know, sometimes John, it's a matchup, right, 358 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 5: you just get the right matchup against the right team 359 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 5: and guys are able to perform. But I think the 360 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 5: defense has been showing improvement over the last couple weeks, 361 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 5: even though they didn't win, and if you look at 362 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 5: the score differential, it looks pretty one sided. But they 363 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 5: started to play well, they started to make plays, and 364 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 5: I think that maybe it just came together against Washington, 365 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 5: but they did a really good job of getting pressure 366 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 5: on opposing quarterbacks. And this is two games in a 367 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 5: row now that they've been able to do that, So 368 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 5: maybe they're turning the corner. I don't know. It's one game, 369 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 5: so this team's gotta still got a ways to go. 370 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 2: And we saw even the big play come up again 371 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 2: with that big Terry McLaurin touchdown. Why have the Cowboys 372 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 2: have so much have had so many issues on defense 373 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 2: this year? Mickey giving up big plays both in the 374 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 2: running pass game. 375 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 5: Well, John, I think it comes down to the inability, 376 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 5: especially in the pass game, to get pressure on opposing quarterbacks. 377 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 5: You know, it's really hard when you know, until Micah 378 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 5: Parsons got back a week or so ago, uh, that 379 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 5: you're you're not playing with your top four defensive ends. Uh. 380 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 5: That they went to training camp with. So that's a 381 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 5: lot to replace, and some of the guys that they were, 382 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 5: you know, counting on or trying to count on, like 383 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 5: Carl Lawson, you know, veteran guy, but he never went 384 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 5: to training camp and he didn't get here until late Uh. So, yeah, 385 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 5: they've had their problems up front, uh with the injury situation, 386 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 5: especially at uh, especially at uh, you know, defensive end, 387 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 5: and then the cornerback position. If you look at it, 388 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 5: Deron Blands missing. 389 00:16:58,040 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 4: Uh. 390 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 5: Then they tried to go with their rookie corner Kaylin Carson. 391 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 5: He played decently two games and then he got hurt, 392 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 5: missed four or five games, and when he came back, 393 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 5: he just wasn't the same guy. And now and kind 394 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 5: of miraculously they're out there at left corner starting a 395 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 5: guy they signed off the practice squad who hasn't played 396 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 5: football since the USFL Michigan Panthers, Josh Butler. So yeah, 397 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 5: it was pretty thin at the cornerback position. And on 398 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 5: top of that for a game, they lost Jordan Lewis too, 399 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 5: So they were starting a lot of young puffs at 400 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 5: the cornerback position, or I should say inexperienced puffs there 401 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 5: for a couple of games. 402 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 2: All right, let's jump into the side of the ball. 403 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 2: Mickey won. Staple of the Dallas Cowboys over the course 404 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 2: of their run in probably the last ten to fifteen 405 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 2: years has been a dominant offensive line, a lot of 406 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 2: young guys on that line. Though it's kind of a 407 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 2: year transition there. Mart might not play this week. Where 408 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 2: are the Cowboys in terms of their offensive line? 409 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's been somewhat of growing pains on there. They 410 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 5: started two rookies on the offensive line, and then Zach 411 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 5: Martin's been trying to play through injury broadly for the 412 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,679 Speaker 5: majority of the year, and they finally gave him a 413 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 5: game this path Sunday. 414 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 4: Uh. 415 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 5: And then when you know, replacing two pro gold guards 416 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 5: with two guys that are basically second year that came 417 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 5: into the league as undrafted cre agents. Uh. And then 418 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 5: you've got a rookie at left tackle and a rookie 419 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 5: at center. You're pretty thin on the offensive line. And 420 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 5: I don't know how they did it, but the past game, Uh, 421 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 5: you know, the offensive line actually did a decent job 422 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 5: run blocking, gave Cooper rush you know, I guess acceptable 423 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:59,360 Speaker 5: time in the pocket. But that's a lot of young guys. 424 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 5: Uh that you have to go through growing pains on 425 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 5: the offensive line, and part of the I think just 426 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 5: the coordination of that line deciding and it was their 427 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 5: decision John to play two rookies, one at left tackle, 428 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 5: one at center. The coordination in the run blocking what 429 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 5: hadn't been good all year until the last you know, 430 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 5: a couple of games. So yeah, there's been a lot 431 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 5: of growing pains for this team. 432 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like they've kind of settled on Rico 433 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 2: Daddle here, Mickey. I was kind of surprised they didn't 434 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 2: do it earlier in the year, to be honest with you, 435 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 2: because I always thought he looked like the best running back. 436 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 2: He's averaging around four yards per carrying. Oh, there's not 437 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 2: a lot of explosives there. But how was daddled handled 438 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 2: becoming kind of the number one back there? 439 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think he has been the number one back. 440 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 5: It just didn't look that way because they were searching 441 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 5: for reasons to get that. Our solutions, I should say, 442 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,239 Speaker 5: to get the running game going, and a lot of 443 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 5: it had to do with the running backs. You know, 444 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 5: I watch other games and I see these big you know, 445 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 5: why is a you know, eighty screen television, and then 446 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 5: when I looked at the Cowboys, these guys are getting 447 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 5: hit at the line of scrimmage. So it was more so, 448 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 5: I think the run blocking than it really was the 449 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 5: running back because Rico was the lead back all season long. 450 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 5: It was just a matter of they didn't get many 451 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 5: chances to run the ball after falling behind by double digits. 452 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 5: And when I say double digits, I don't mean I 453 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 5: mean twenty. 454 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 2: Yes, unfortunately, Mickey, I'm very familiar with being down twenty 455 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 2: points this year. I completely understand where you're coming from there. 456 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 2: The passing game, how has Cooper Rush been since he 457 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 2: stepped in? It looked like he really kind of took 458 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 2: a step last week, and I don't see Lamb has 459 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 2: not been quite as explosive this year. He's got a 460 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,360 Speaker 2: lot of catches and targets, but maybe not as many 461 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 2: big plays. Where's Cooper Rush CD in the Cowboys pass 462 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 2: game heading into Thanksgiving? 463 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Cooper Mush played its first his best 464 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 5: game this past so this was his third and start 465 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 5: might have been his best game of his career. I mean, 466 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 5: he completed what seventy five percent of his pases two 467 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 5: hundred and forty some yards two touchdowns, had a one 468 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 5: seventeen quarterback rating. See I think the misconception of him 469 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 5: in twenty twenty two when he ended up starting five 470 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 5: games and they went four and one. Well, in the 471 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 5: games that they went four and one, the defense didn't 472 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 5: give up more than seventeen points. Yeah, that helps, So 473 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 5: that helps. Right, He's only got to score twenty and 474 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 5: it's not like that they were an offensive machine when 475 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 5: he took over, but they were good enough and he 476 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 5: was good enough to not lose the games. So I think, 477 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 5: you know, and as for playing games, you know that 478 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 5: are creditable. He hadn't played in any since that twenty 479 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 5: twenty two season, And if you look at what took 480 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 5: place in training camp, he might have got one series 481 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 5: in each preseason game, and then they turned it over 482 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 5: to Trey Lance to try to give him an opportunity 483 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 5: to finally play some football. So when he came in 484 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 5: those first two games, he looked like a quarterback who 485 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 5: atn't played in quite some time. But I think once 486 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 5: you get in there, you know, and John, you know this, 487 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 5: the backup quarterback doesn't get anything in practice. He may 488 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 5: be running the scout team. 489 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 6: Yep. 490 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 5: He may get a half a dozen during the whole 491 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 5: week with the first team offense, but that's it if 492 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 5: that because Dak Prescott likes to take all the snaps. 493 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 5: So suddenly, now you know, you get two practices basically 494 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 5: and one in pad and you're the starter. So I 495 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 5: think it took him a little while to kind of 496 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 5: warm to the situation, but I think he played his 497 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 5: best game maybe of his career this past Sunday in Washington. 498 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 2: All right, final question, Mickey. We've been doing a lot 499 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 2: of questions here with the season about the head coach 500 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 2: and all that stuff. I'm sure there's been similar questions 501 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 2: down there in Dallas given the team's record as the 502 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 2: last year of Mike McCarthy's contract. And then Jerry Jones 503 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 2: goes on the radio Tuesday morning, I'm sure, to the 504 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 2: delight of Cowboy fans everyone says, oh, I'm not rolling 505 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 2: out of contract extension for the head coach. So has 506 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 2: that kind of cast a shadow and a pall over 507 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 2: a lot of this year and how are the team 508 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 2: and the organization and the players and everyone else kind 509 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,239 Speaker 2: of dealing with that as a backdrop to what's been 510 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 2: a rough year down there. 511 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 5: Well, they dealt with it pretty good on Sunday, didn't 512 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 5: make yes, they did. You know, there's been a lot 513 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 5: of questions about effort, about losing the locker room, you know, 514 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 5: and the sad part about it is that none of 515 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 5: that was true. They just weren't good enough against some 516 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 5: of the teams they played, right, if you look at 517 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 5: the schedule, you know, the majority of the seven losses, 518 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 5: you know, with the exception of New Orleans, have been 519 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 5: the teams in first place or at least in second 520 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 5: place in their divisions. So you know, it's made a 521 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 5: big deal about, you know, can't win at home. Well, 522 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 5: they've played these better teams this year at home. It's 523 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 5: not where they're playing, it's who they're playing. So I 524 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 5: think that had a lot to do with it. Yeah, 525 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 5: And I think Jerry, you know, very boldly this morning, said, 526 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 5: you know, it's not out of the realm the possibilities 527 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 5: that Mike McCarthy goes on as the head coach. He's 528 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,880 Speaker 5: still a very good coach, and I think the team 529 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 5: has responded to him. It hasn't been like you know, 530 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 5: back in what was it, two thousand and ten, when 531 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 5: the Cowboys started off one in seven wayde Phillips had 532 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 5: lost the team and it needed to be a change 533 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 5: in the coaching staff. But this one they've played hard, 534 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 5: you know. And the sad thing is, sometimes you're just 535 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 5: not good enough, and nobody likes to admit that, you know, 536 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 5: it's allays, Well, it's this, it's this, it's that. No, 537 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 5: sometimes you're just not good enough. And they worked good 538 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 5: enough against the teams that were very credible until this game. 539 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 5: And who knows how good Washington is right because they're 540 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 5: tipped til Mary Pats from being six and. 541 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 2: Six right now, Mickey, Also stuff, my friend, Happy Thanksgiving 542 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 2: and enjoy the game, and we'll talk to you down 543 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 2: the road. 544 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 5: All right, look forward to seeing you. Take care. 545 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 2: If you want to know how to manage two minutes 546 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 2: of crunch time football, I'm your Matt. But if you're 547 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 2: wondering about a long term financial plan, you should talk 548 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 2: to Citizens. 549 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 4: Hey, I can also talk long care. 550 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:30,719 Speaker 5: I'd like to learn about Amillia routine. 551 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,719 Speaker 2: Yes, I knew I could help make sense of your 552 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 2: money with Citizens. Great stuff out of Mickey The Giants 553 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 2: Little Podcast has brought to you by Citizens, the official 554 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 2: bank of the Giants. Citizens will donate seven hundred and 555 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 2: fifty dollars of the Giants Foundation for each scoring drive 556 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,719 Speaker 2: during the twenty twenty four season. Learn more at citizensbank 557 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 2: dot com slash Giants. Now let's turn to the head, 558 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 2: go to the Giants Brian Dable with the Voice of 559 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 2: the Giants, Bob Papa. 560 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 1: With that, we welcome in the head coach of the 561 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,439 Speaker 1: New York Giants, Brian Dable and coach. Obviously, Sunday was 562 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 1: a tough one, but really no time for pity parties. 563 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 4: This is a tight week for you, isn't it. 564 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 7: Yeah, Thursday games are always are always tough. 565 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 4: There's a lot of work that needs to be done, 566 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 4: and you know, you kind. 567 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 7: Of put that that game you just played to bed, 568 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 7: unfortunately for us, not the results that we want it. 569 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 4: And then move right on to the Cowboys, because. 570 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 6: Let's jump right into this Cowboys team, because they too 571 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 6: are a team that have some key players missing and 572 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 6: they're trying to just kind of figure out, you know, 573 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 6: how they're going to get the next win. 574 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 4: Too. 575 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 6: They have components though you can never look at them 576 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 6: and say, well, they don't have their quarterback or their 577 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 6: guard or their tackle. They've got players and they've you 578 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 6: know they do have serious. 579 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 4: Threats, right, yeah, no question. 580 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 7: You know, start with Ceedee Lamb on offense, who's as 581 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 7: dynamic of a receiver is in the league. You know, 582 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 7: it leads to the league in receptions. And you go 583 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 7: to the other side of the ball, Michael Parsons, He's 584 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 7: lined up all over the field and it's probably the 585 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 7: hardest guy to block, one of the hardest guys luck 586 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 7: in the National Football League. And those are two really 587 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 7: good center pieces for them. They're high level players, the 588 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 7: elite players at their position, and we're gonna have to 589 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 7: do a good job with both of them. 590 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: You know, on offense, defense, special teams. There was a 591 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: missfield goal by Washington, missed extra point, a missfield goal, 592 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: and then a kickoff return that changed the whole complexion 593 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 1: of the game. What makes Turpen so dynamics. He's got 594 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: unbelievable vision, speed, quickness. I mean the play he made 595 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: to run it back against Washington, this looks like you 596 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: played that. You know, he used the joystick for spins 597 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 1: around and takes off. His speed is elite, His quickness, 598 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: his vision, you know, he's tops in the league. It's 599 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: almost like he set him up too, because he kind 600 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 1: of stopped for a second to see where they were 601 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,479 Speaker 1: coming from, and then he did that pivot and then 602 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: he's gone. 603 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 4: Gone. 604 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 7: You give him a crease, he can take it. He 605 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 7: can change direction, he can go from one side of 606 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 7: the field the next side of the field. He's dynamic 607 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 7: in both areas. He's a huge weapon for. 608 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 1: Him because of injuries and everything else. You played them 609 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: earlier this season, it's so long ago. Do you take 610 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: much from that last meeting or do you just look 611 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: at these last five for them? 612 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 7: No, you definitely look at the tape of the matchups 613 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,439 Speaker 7: that you have on your team versus their team, of 614 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 7: the guys that played and played against one another. You know, 615 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 7: certainly you take that into account. You use some stuff 616 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 7: you did the year before, and then obviously the games 617 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 7: that they've just played here in the last few weeks. 618 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 4: From your experience. 619 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: When you have a game like the game that happened 620 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: on Sunday, is it almost beneficial. 621 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 4: It's almost like baseball where. 622 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: You actually kind of get a chance to get back 623 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: out there and kind of put it in the rear 624 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: view mirror. 625 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, not the results that we wanted. 626 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 7: It was a tough game, obviously, frustrating with the outcome 627 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 7: and look forward to getting ready here as soon as 628 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 7: we can. 629 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: What are some of the things this week that you 630 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: do mentally with your team that you've done to get 631 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: ready for this game, because it's more mental than it 632 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: is being on the field practicing. 633 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 7: Yeah, you make the meetings a little bit longer, you 634 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,239 Speaker 7: do some more walkthroughs, and that's really that's really what 635 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 7: you can do. It's not it's not a physical part 636 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 7: to it. So you you change your meeting schedule just 637 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 7: a little bit, and obviously the meeting time and the 638 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 7: practice of the walkthroughs. 639 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: Final question, Uh, you know there's Thursday night football, but 640 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: then there's Thanksgiving Thursday games. We all grew up watching 641 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: it playing it. What does it mean to you to 642 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: be performing on Thanksgiving? 643 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a it's a privilege. I remember it just 644 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 4: like you do. 645 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 7: Of you listening to Madden and all those type of 646 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 7: things and watching the games. You know, obviously it's expanded 647 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 7: since since I was a kid, but certainly a privilege. 648 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 7: You know, Cowboys, Lions, you know, you you grew up 649 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 7: watching those games and it's great to be part of. 650 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: All the players that will be playing in the game 651 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving. In all three of the games, we'll have 652 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: the John Madden silhouette patch to honor John Madden. You 653 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: think of those Traduccan's and all that other stuff. Pretty 654 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 1: cool stuff, coach. Best of luck on Thursday, and Happy Thanksgiving. 655 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 2: We think Bob Pop. We thank Brian Dable, Mickey Spagnola, 656 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 2: and Evan Neil for joining us on this week's edition 657 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 2: of The Giants Total Podcast, brought to you by Citizens, 658 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 2: the official bank of the Giants. Happy Thanksgiving, everybody, enjoy 659 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 2: your holiday. We'll be back with you after the game 660 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 2: with another Giants Huddle, our Rapid Reaction, and then we'll 661 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 2: be back next week with more on the New York 662 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 2: Football Giants. Happy Thanksgiving everybody. We'll see you next time.