1 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:08,959 Speaker 1: It's a very special episode of splash Hit. 2 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 2: We're here in Scottsdale, Arizona, at the Giants spring training 3 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 2: facility for the Giants Fantasy Camp. We're actually in Tony 4 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 2: Vattell's office right now. It's right, he's not here yet, 5 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 2: so we decided to jump in Tony's office. Tony, I 6 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 2: hope you don't mind you're not here yet, so we 7 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 2: jumped into your office real quick. 8 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: We had a long day at fantasy camp. Today. We 9 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: had two seven any games. 10 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 2: So if you guys don't know what fantasy camp is, 11 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 2: we got sixty six campers. They're all Giants fans. They 12 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 2: come to Scottsdale for a week. They pretend like they're 13 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 2: major league players. One day is a combine where we 14 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: sit there with our clipboards and evaluate guys. In the 15 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 2: next day we played games. So today we had two 16 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 2: seven any games. We just got off the field, so 17 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,480 Speaker 2: we're recording this episode of splash Hit. Special guest today, 18 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 2: Jeremy Affel joins the show. 19 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 3: Two and Oh. You're two and O today. 20 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 2: Two and O today we won both games. I don't 21 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 2: know if I could say the name of my team 22 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 2: on here. We have a guy named sach So we're 23 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 2: Saxy Word. That's the name of our team, and the 24 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: announcer is like, and here's the lineup for the Saxy 25 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 2: B word. 26 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, we're not allowed to nineteen, we're not 27 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: allowed to swear on this podcast. 28 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 3: I forgot to second. 29 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: So how'd you do today? And well I beat you 30 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: the first game? 31 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a joke. The uh it was actually 32 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 3: both close games. It was a eight five be this 33 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 3: eight five five. 34 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 4: First game we were down five to two against Hackman Leonard. 35 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 3: We came back in one ten eight. He wasn't very happy. 36 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 3: I was, so it's good. I changed up my. 37 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 4: Defense on him. Hitters started hitting. I tell him line drives. 38 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 4: They're trying to hit bombs. We're gonna go singles and 39 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 4: line drives. Change it up. Now we're one and one. 40 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 4: Tomorrow we're gonna be three and one. 41 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 2: Yeah tomorrow, well, I mean we're just going one to 42 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 2: owe tomorrow. For those of you that don't know about this, 43 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 2: this isn't a commercial for it. We generally love being here. 44 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: This is our best week of the year. These these 45 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 2: people are from eighteen to eighty one. 46 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: We have an eighty one year. 47 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 2: Old camper right now and we just have an absolute 48 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 2: last enough about fantasy camp. If you guys do get 49 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 2: a chance to come down here, I just want to 50 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 2: pick your brain a little bit about relief pitching. Like 51 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 2: I have one of the best relievers in Giant's history 52 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 2: sitting next to me. You went to spring training last year, Busters, 53 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 2: including all the old players. Talk about some of the 54 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 2: guys you work with in your theories and your philosophies 55 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 2: and the wisdom you imparted on these guys. 56 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, coming into camp, I didn't really understand 57 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 4: the spring training. So we haven't been back at camp 58 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 4: for two three years. We just weren't invited. Back Buster 59 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 4: comes in obviously and just says, hey, why don't you 60 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 4: guys coming back into the fold and seeing how they 61 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 4: did camp is not how I did camp. We were 62 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 4: on the field the whole day, all day doing stuff. 63 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 4: They have too many breaks in my opinion. But I 64 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 4: was able to kind of talk to some of the 65 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 4: relievers and just get them to understand, Hey, for me, 66 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 4: you don't overcomplicate the bullpen, but you've got to challenge 67 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 4: hitters and go after it, and you've got to have 68 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 4: that mentality that when you go into the ball game, 69 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 4: it's over. And so when some of these guys are 70 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 4: in the analytics and they're like, well, my spin rate's this, 71 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 4: and I tell them, I have no idea what you're 72 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 4: talking about. All I know is that when a hitter 73 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 4: gets in that box, I need to finish my pitches. 74 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 4: I'm going to throw a wipeout breaking ball and I'm 75 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 4: going to throw to the hole that I need to 76 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 4: throw to to get you out. So you want to 77 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 4: talk analytics, you got to talk to somebody else. I 78 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 4: just think that in some ways, especially bullpen guys, I 79 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 4: understand starters sometimes because they got to face these guys 80 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 4: three four times. They've got to set guys up. How 81 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:32,679 Speaker 4: they set guys up. When I played, it was a 82 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 4: little different. It was probably analytics. It just wasn't called 83 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 4: that right. But for me as a bullpen guy, you 84 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 4: simplify it. I have the opportunity to throw the entire 85 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 4: kitchen sink at you. I can throw whatever I want 86 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 4: my starters, if they've done their job, they have set. 87 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 3: The hitters up. Catcher nose, you know who whatever is. 88 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 4: Bailey should know coming in, Hey, your stuff versus what 89 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 4: we've seen him do. Let's just go after these guys. 90 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 4: You got one shot, don't worry about your spin rate. 91 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 4: Don't worry what does it feel like to finish a fastball? 92 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 4: What is it feel to finish a curveball and be 93 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 4: convicted when you throw the pitch. If you throw a 94 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 4: pitch convicted, I don't care. If you hang a convicted curveball. 95 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 4: Sometimes you'll get a guy out because you sell it. 96 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 4: If you aim it, you're gonna sell that guy that 97 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 4: you're aiming at, he'll see it. If you're gonna throw 98 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 4: a sinker and you miss in but it's convicted, you 99 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 4: can get a. 100 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 3: Guy out a lot of times. 101 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 4: And so for me, it's all about conviction and coming 102 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 4: in there and doing your job and believing that whatever 103 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 4: I'm gonna whenever I come into that game, I'm going 104 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 4: to get you out. 105 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 3: If I don't think that way and you're. 106 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 4: Worried about all these other things analytics or how did 107 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 4: I finish or where's my spin rate or whatever, it's 108 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:38,359 Speaker 4: not gonna work well for you. And that's why I 109 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 4: try to get through to some of these guys that 110 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 4: were a little bit heady in my opinion, and I 111 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 4: think a couple of guys listen. But I think it's 112 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 4: hard right now to kind of get past the whole 113 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 4: analytic stage because of all the stuff they got coming out. 114 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 2: So that you know, I've talked to a lot of 115 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 2: some guys even on the giants, that were starting pitchers 116 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 2: their whole career and now they go to the bullpen. 117 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 2: If you're talking to a young kid that's been a star, 118 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 2: what would be the first thing you would tell them? 119 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 1: The advice you give them about being a relief pitcher. 120 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 3: Now pound the zone. They're already in swing mode. 121 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 4: So as a starter, you're trying to get them into 122 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 4: a certain situation to finish. Well, how you're gonna pitch 123 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 4: them the first is not necessarily, you're gonna pitch them 124 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 4: in the six on the third and bat right. Maddox. 125 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 4: One of the things he told me as a starter 126 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 4: is I said, you never really, you never threw no hitter. 127 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 4: He's like, no, because I wanted to give up hits 128 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 4: early because I'm going to give them. I'm gonna show 129 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 4: them something that I'm gonna say when I need to 130 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 4: get them. 131 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 3: Out in the six and seven. 132 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 4: So I'm gonna throw a lot more strikes early, get 133 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 4: them swinging and when they're swinging, that's when I don't 134 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 4: have to throw a strike because it's about winning the game. 135 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 4: And that stuck with me because, in my opinion, if 136 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 4: you watch him, pay attention to the game, you're literally 137 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 4: gonna see these guys swinging. They're gonna have got guys 138 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 4: pound on the zone. They're in swing mode. They're ready. 139 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 4: You throw a first pitch strike coming out the gate. 140 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 4: Most of the time, sometimes they're gonna say, oh, I'm 141 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 4: gonna swing at this relievers first fast if you know that, 142 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 4: throw first pitch, curveball for a strike or a breaking ball. 143 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 3: But my biggest thing was like, pound the zone. Pound 144 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 3: the zone. 145 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 4: They're in swing mode, and then you don't have to 146 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 4: set guys up, get ahead early, get them thinking, Okay, 147 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 4: I've got to keep myself in swing mode. These guys 148 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 4: are throwing strikes, then you don't have to be so 149 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 4: fine later in the count. But for me, I came 150 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 4: in right away and was like, I'm throwing I'm going 151 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 4: to try to throw strikes as much as possible right away. 152 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 4: I want you swinging in three pitches or less. As 153 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 4: a starter. You're trying to work, you're trying to show 154 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 4: them stuff. I want you out. I don't want to 155 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 4: be out there more than twelve thirteen pitches. If a 156 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 4: reliever's out there for twenty pitches, you're either going to 157 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 4: get away with it or you're in trouble. 158 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 3: Like I don't want to be out there that long, 159 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:42,559 Speaker 3: So get it done early. 160 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 4: I used to fall into the trap of like, every 161 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 4: time I come in, I throw first pitch curveball. Sabian 162 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 4: looked at me one day, He's like, quit throwing first 163 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 4: pitch curve balls. Due the whole league knows. You come in, 164 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 4: throw a first pitch curveball. Someone's gonna sit on it. 165 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 4: Mix it up a little bit. And I said, well, 166 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 4: I'm just trying to keep them off the fastball. He's like, 167 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 4: just throw a good sinker down the way. If they 168 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 4: swing at it, you get them a ground ball on 169 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 4: one pitch. Great, you get out of it. Like So 170 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 4: it changed my whole view on that. So for me, 171 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 4: it's like, what it's filled the strike zone, come after guys, 172 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 4: and and and don't nit. 173 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 3: Pick the strike zone. If you do that, you're fine. 174 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 3: You certainly it pick and you're gonna be in trouble. 175 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 2: See what I'm hearing here is it's like being a 176 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 2: relief pitcher, picture in a successful one like you. It's 177 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 2: more about mentality and makeup. I mean, you gotta have 178 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 2: stuff right. You can't go in there with nothing spitballs. 179 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 2: But it sounds like it's it's it's about a mentality. 180 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 2: And for a starter to go to a reliever, don't 181 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 2: they have to embrace it and have that that. 182 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: F you type of mentality. 183 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, I mean think when you were hitting. 184 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 4: If you're hitting and you knew this reliever came in 185 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 4: and he was like just carrying it, just off doing 186 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 4: just scared. 187 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: You're we're screaming, scared for the top step, scared. 188 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 3: Scared, and you're gonna attack him. You've got a guy 189 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 3: coming in. 190 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 4: He just fuck wham, strike one and then looks at you. 191 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 4: All right, I gotta get going here. He's going to 192 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 4: challenge us. Most closers didn't they come after you? I mean, 193 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 4: what closed are nitpicks? Nobody? Martino Vera threw the same 194 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 4: pitch for twenty years and he just cut her cut. 195 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 4: Everybody knew it, but he kept coming after you kept coming. 196 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 4: You have to be ready, and when you cheat on him, 197 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 4: he goes the other way. Like like for me, if 198 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 4: you come in and a reliever is nitpick, and you're 199 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 4: gonna sit there and work the count because you're like great, 200 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 4: because we're gonna start a rally here, he's gonna walk 201 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 4: the lead off guy, then we can put him over 202 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 4: whatever in a close ball game. But if you have 203 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 4: a reliever that comes in and just fire strike one 204 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 4: right out the gate, my goodness. You might cheat from 205 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 4: time to time a hit, or might cheat from time 206 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 4: to time and get me come in first place, sinker, 207 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 4: he swings hits a ball for a base hit. 208 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 3: Not great. You gotta do that three times. You gotta 209 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 3: do it three times. Beat me? You know you do. 210 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 4: I mean, you do it great. But I'm gonna I'm 211 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 4: or four. You gonna if I give up four singles, 212 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 4: I'm gonna give up a run. But I'm hoping in 213 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 4: that time I'm gonna get a double way ball. So 214 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 4: like you want to come after me and swing early, great, 215 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 4: that's going to help me. And if I go in 216 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 4: there and I throw boom, boom, boom, nine to ten pitches, 217 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 4: twelve pitches and I'm out of my inning, Boach could 218 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 4: use me the next day. 219 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 3: Right, So it's like okay, good. 220 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 4: But if I come in there throw thirty pitches because 221 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 4: I'm nitpicking, I'm tired of the next day, he's not 222 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 4: going to want to use me. And I've shown everybody 223 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 4: my stuff like I want you in. I want to 224 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 4: get in and out, and I'm not afraid of you. 225 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 4: I don't care about the name on your back. I 226 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 4: don't care who you are. My stuff is better than you. 227 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 4: You're a three hundred hitter, which means I still have 228 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 4: a seventy percent chance. And of that, of that three 229 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 4: hits that you got, you probably hit a little dinker 230 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 4: that you should have got out on. So really you 231 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 4: only got two knocks on good pitches. So I'm thinking 232 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 4: I got man, I got an eighty percent chance to 233 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 4: get you out. 234 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 3: Why wouldn't I just throw fastball? 235 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 1: But this is the finished product film, and you're retired. 236 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 2: Now, you've had all the success you can have a set, 237 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 2: you had all the success, You've won three World Series. 238 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: We'll get to your postseason successes at a minute. 239 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 2: But what was the evolution of this process, Like, did 240 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,239 Speaker 2: it take you a while to get to this mentality 241 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 2: where I'm going into games and I'm coming right after 242 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 2: you and here's my best bolt against your best bolt. 243 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. 244 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 4: It took me seventy eight years. I threw four seamers curveball. 245 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 4: It was more of a start out. Twelve to six 246 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 4: ended up being eleven to four, which I like better 247 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 4: because I carried the strikes own and I threw a 248 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 4: split finger. Problem is, my forestinger was ninety nine. Curveball 249 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 4: guys just took it because they're like, he could probably 250 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 4: throw it for a strike, but. 251 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 3: He can't do it twice. It's really hard to throw, 252 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 3: you know. 253 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 4: If you're throwing high four seamers and coming off the 254 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 4: curveball guys are like, he's going to make a mistake. 255 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 4: Here's what telling me that. Todd Hilton told me one day. 256 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 4: He's like, man, you're the hardest throwing lefty that gives 257 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 4: up that many hits I've ever seen in my life, 258 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 4: and it would frustrate me. 259 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 3: I'm like, what. 260 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 4: Well, David Weathers walked up to me and he's like, 261 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 4: you're gonna learn a sinker. I'm like now, he's like, yeah, 262 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 4: you are. You learn a sinker. Here's why, because you're 263 00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 4: gonna throw that sinker up there and they're gonna beat 264 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 4: it in the ground and you're throw ninety four ninety 265 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 4: nine and they're gonna hit it ninety seven feet instead 266 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 4: of three hundred and ninety seven feet. Four seams go far, 267 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 4: two seamers don't. You're gonna learn that and just get out. 268 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 4: And I was like, well, he's like Palmazo the sinker. 269 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 4: First time he showed me a sinker. I ran into 270 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 4: the ball game against Houston. First guy faces Lance Berkman. 271 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 4: I faced him a lot, and I get him into 272 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 4: a I get him into a one to one count, 273 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 4: throw a sinker. I thought, Okay, seventy percent. That's what 274 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 4: David Wethers told me. He's like Stormy. He's like, just 275 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,319 Speaker 4: throw just think seventy percent. 276 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 3: Throw it. See what happens. 277 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 4: Throw a BP sinker up there, squibbler to second base, 278 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 4: and Berkman's running up down and looks over at me. 279 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 3: He's like, you have a sinker. Now. 280 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 4: I'm like, I guess, and he's like, next step back, 281 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 4: next day, comes in two oh count, sinker, sinker, ground 282 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 4: ball to second and I like this and he's like 283 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 4: looking at me, like this is ridiculous. Like then he 284 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 4: ran by me and says the scouting report is obviously 285 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 4: not right, I mean he was. 286 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 3: He was so bad. And then I threw him curveballs 287 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 3: for the next three at bats. 288 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 4: And we got But I was like sinker, sink or 289 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 4: Sinker went to San Francisco through ninety percent sinkers, probably 290 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 4: eight percent curve balls of two percent splitts for the 291 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 4: entire seven years I was there, and I had my 292 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:19,199 Speaker 4: best years. 293 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: And you had to sacrifice some villo, right, you weren't 294 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: throwing ninety. 295 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 4: Ninety ninety two to ninety I was ninety four to 296 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 4: ninety six and O nine with sinkers, and I had 297 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 4: my best year. I had like a one nine. That 298 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 4: was an outlier year, right, that was my best year. 299 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,319 Speaker 4: But most of the time I was ninety two to 300 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 4: ninety four sink throwing seventy nine to eighty one on 301 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 4: a curveball. 302 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 3: In eighty seven to eighty eight minor split. That was 303 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 3: it I threw. I threw ninety percent sinkers. Toll was coming, 304 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 3: all right. 305 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:50,959 Speaker 2: The best thing you guys about Fantasy Camp is we 306 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 2: have a coach's locker room. Sean Dunston and is in there, 307 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 2: Jeffrey Leonard's in there, Jeremy's in there. 308 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 3: JT. 309 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: Snow's in there. 310 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 2: Travis Ischicau was in there, and we just started shooting 311 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:01,079 Speaker 2: the store es Man back and forth. 312 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: And Jeremy and I were talking about. 313 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 2: Three two pitches the other day and his philosophy on 314 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 2: a three to two pitch, and he was talking about 315 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 2: you as a hitter and me as a pitcher. Can 316 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 2: you share that with us that everyone watch it? 317 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I did not know this for the longest time. 318 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 4: One if you look at batting averages of a lot 319 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 4: of players three too, they're not good because they think 320 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 4: they think full count, even bases loaded full count. 321 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 3: It's not good. It's because they get big, they get excited. 322 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 3: So I would be like, well, man, i'm behind the count. 323 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 3: I have to throw this strike. 324 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 4: And Rags looked at me one day, He's like, you're 325 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,319 Speaker 4: not behind in the count, You're ahead in the count. 326 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 4: I'm like, no, I'm not. I'm if anything, I'm even. 327 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 4: He's like, no, you're not, you're not even even. It's 328 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 4: you're you're even in the count, if anything, you might 329 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 4: be ahead in two two, you're heading the count. You're 330 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:53,839 Speaker 4: not even. And I'm like, I looked at him, like 331 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 4: were talking about it. He's like listen, you need three 332 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 4: strikes for a strike out. You need four balls for 333 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 4: a walk. So how is two to an even count? 334 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 4: You need one more. 335 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 3: Strike and two more balls, so you're heading the count. 336 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh, yeah, I've never heard. 337 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: That my life and the count so now I don't 338 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: have to throw. 339 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 4: He's like gay And when you're three two, you're not 340 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 4: behind the count. You're technically even. But those guys are 341 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:18,959 Speaker 4: so thinking, he's got to throw it. I'm gonna hit 342 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 4: the crap out of it. Throw a convicted fastball. Here's 343 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 4: the deal. If it looks like a strike out of 344 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 4: your hand, they have to swing because they have no 345 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 4: they can't take a strike. And every hitter says, the 346 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 4: worst thing you can do is take a fastball for 347 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 4: strike three three two. So you throw one that started 348 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 4: as a strike. Throw if you can throw a breaking ball, 349 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 4: throw a breaking ball looks like a strike. They're going 350 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 4: to swing at more times than not. It's when you 351 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 4: get scared and push it and you throw. It's a 352 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 4: ball out of your hand. 353 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 3: Yeah they won't. 354 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 4: You're not making them do anything if it's a strike 355 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 4: out of your hand. I think I threw as I threw, 356 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 4: so many three to two sinkers that were down that 357 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 4: guy swung at because it's a strike out of my hand, 358 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 4: a three two curve ball that I would just send 359 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 4: over and it would probably be a little bit off. 360 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 3: But I threw a ten. 361 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 4: I threw eleven to four curveball, and I'd started as 362 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 4: a strike, and even though it ended off the plate, 363 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 4: they swung at it because they have to swing. So 364 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 4: you don't have to throw a strike. They have to swing. 365 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 4: And that changed everything on how I Plus, it relaxed me, 366 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 4: and so when I'm relaxed, I don't have to do anything. 367 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 4: And Hobby Lopez was the best at it. Well, bases loaded, 368 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 4: you have to throw a strike. He's like, now you 369 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 4: know you can walk him. Yeah, I'm like what He's like, 370 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 4: you don't have to do anything when you when he's 371 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 4: we call him professor, He's like you, if you tell 372 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 4: yourself I have to your sphincter goes like that. If 373 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 4: you say I want to now, you're like, all right, 374 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 4: I want to throw a strike right here. And I 375 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 4: started using both those mentalities and my whole thought process 376 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 4: on process on pitching changed, Like it just relaxed me. 377 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 4: I don't have to do anything. I can mess it up. 378 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 4: I can walk a guy, I can give up a homer. 379 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 4: He's like, you can do that. You don't want to, 380 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 4: but you don't have to do anything. And I was like, 381 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 4: that is that was the best thing for me. It 382 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 4: relaxed me. And with Rags saying, man, the counts, they're 383 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 4: more aggressive, they're gonna want to swing. You get guys 384 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 4: that want to swing the bat. You're gonna get those 385 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 4: guys that are like three to two hoping to walk. 386 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 4: Flick your little fastball off, take a close pitch. He's like, 387 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 4: you know, those guys three four or five old hitters 388 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 4: do not want to walk. They don't get paid to walk. 389 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 4: It doesn't benefit them to walk. They don't steal bags. 390 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 4: They're gonna want to swing. So throw it up there, 391 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 4: and man, it changed everything. 392 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: That's so valuable. 393 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 2: I mean, if you're watching this right now and you're 394 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 2: a coach, are you watching this and you're a pitcher 395 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 2: and you're a young kid, I mean, that's just some 396 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 2: golden advice from Jeremy Affelt. All right, let's get to 397 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 2: the postseason stuff. 398 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: I had no idea. 399 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 2: This is all in the locker room yesterday and we 400 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 2: were talking about Sean Dunson was saying how great he 401 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 2: was in the postseason and how he's unhittable. Then we 402 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 2: looked it up and he has an eer just seven 403 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 2: point seven six nine, was it? 404 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, they said it as a giant. Yeah, I gave 405 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 3: up a run I think up being like a. 406 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 4: Point eight something overall because Colorado, I gave up a 407 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 4: run to Ryan Howard. 408 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: And the only one with a lower era in the 409 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: history of baseball in the playoffs is Rivera Marcano Rovera. 410 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 3: I passed up Babe Ruth. 411 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 4: Tells you how good Babe Ruth was When you pass 412 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 4: him up to take second, that means he's good. 413 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 2: So you were joking yesterday after we talked about this 414 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 2: that I didn't care about the regular season but the 415 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 2: which you did. 416 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 1: Right, you're just trying to be funny. 417 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 2: But like what happened in the postseason, so it took you, 418 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 2: It took you to the next level. 419 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's mentality, just like we've been talking about. So 420 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 4: I read this book and he's a good friend of 421 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 4: mine by David Cook, and it's called it's called Seven 422 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 4: Days in Utopia. 423 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 3: And they made a movie on it. 424 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 4: Robert Devall's and it's a golf movie actually, and it 425 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 4: and and so I read it. It's a sports psychology book, 426 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 4: but it's a story, and it was a sea I 427 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 4: feel it, trusted, he'd always say, SFT. So he took 428 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 4: this golfer through this process of like why did he implode? 429 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 4: And a turn took him through this deal of like 430 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 4: how do you view a game? And how would you 431 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 4: if it was a blank canvas? How would you paint 432 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 4: the picture on every pitch? So I started visualizing. I 433 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 4: started sitting there and saying, Okay, I'm gonna visualize this. 434 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:19,120 Speaker 4: This is what I want to do to this guy. 435 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,959 Speaker 4: And so I would do it before the game. And 436 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 4: the whole reason you visualize. It's not a hooplah deal. 437 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 4: It's not a weird you know type meditation type deal. 438 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 4: It's just your brain is very powerful and if it 439 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 4: feels like it's already done it, it relaxes. So if 440 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 4: I know the hitters I'm going to face, and you 441 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 4: do most of the time in the big leagues, right, 442 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 4: you know, I'm kind going to face these guys, and 443 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 4: I visualize myself facing them in the situation. When I'm 444 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 4: in that situation, your brain technically goes into that deja 445 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 4: boo status like already done it, So your body relaxes 446 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 4: because you think you've already done it, right, So it's 447 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 4: just that whole like mentality. Well, so I went through 448 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 4: it with him, and this was in two thousand and 449 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 4: six when I met him, and then two thousand and 450 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 4: seven I had a great world series. 451 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 3: That's the first time I've ever been to the playoffs. 452 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 4: And then with the Giants because I approached it the 453 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 4: same way. When you go to the playoffs, it's sixty 454 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 4: feet six inches, it's a seventeen inch plate, just like 455 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 4: the regular season. Okay, mentally, you've got a world class media, 456 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,239 Speaker 4: like from all over the world. Everybody's there. It's like 457 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 4: a Hollywood movie set. During the playoffs. There's wires with 458 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 4: cameras going across. There's cameras everywhere. They got cameras on 459 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 4: the base paths, They've got it's all every media from 460 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 4: every country's there. Well, naturally, your your your mentality is like, 461 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 4: oh my gosh, we're in the playoffs, Like I want 462 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 4: to be the hero, Like I'm gonna be the man. 463 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 4: I'm gonna be on on sports and I'm gonna be 464 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 4: on the cover of freaking ESPN magazine and I'm gonna, 465 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 4: you know, Sports Illustrated, like I'm gonna. And I was like, 466 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 4: or it's sixty feet six inches and it's the seventeen 467 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 4: inch plate, and you. 468 00:19:58,600 --> 00:19:59,959 Speaker 3: As a hitter, want to be the here. 469 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 4: I just want to get you out right, So I'm 470 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 4: gonna keep just throwing it up there like I normally do. 471 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 3: Well. 472 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 4: Then the problem is for the hitter, everything's changed. They're 473 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 4: all excited, there's energy, there's white towels going all over 474 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 4: the place. Fans are streaming decibel levels at like one 475 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 4: hundred and thirty. Babies can't go to the games because 476 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 4: it could without headsets, because it could bust in their 477 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 4: ear drums. That's a lot of energy coming at you. 478 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,719 Speaker 4: If and I just said sixty feet six inches, it's 479 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,719 Speaker 4: a seventeen ins plate busters back there. 480 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 3: I'm gonna throw my sinker like I always do. 481 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 4: The hitter swung at more pitches that they shouldn't have 482 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 4: swung at because they were trying to make something happen. 483 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 4: Where I was just like, the pressure's not on me, 484 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 4: the pressure's on the hitter. 485 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 3: You gotta score the key run. 486 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 4: I just I'm gonna throw strikes because I just looked 487 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 4: at it as I got all this. 488 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 3: Defense behind me. 489 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: I'm not, I don't. 490 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 4: I don't want a big time strike out. I just 491 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 4: want to get you out. I'm gonna get you out. 492 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 4: What is my what is what is my? 493 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 3: What is my? Like I say, my controllable at the 494 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 3: time I. 495 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 4: Come into a game, guys on first and second, Game seven, 496 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 4: I got guys on base. 497 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 3: Hudson's got guys. 498 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 4: What's your controllable with the control war of the guys 499 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 4: on base, I didn't put him there, right, My controllable 500 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 4: is I got aoki, I got a lefty. I'm gonna 501 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 4: throw a sinker, and I need to get a ground ball. 502 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 4: That's my controllable. So what is my control in that situation? 503 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 4: My delivery. I'm just gonna come up, come set, deliver 504 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,199 Speaker 4: like I do and see what happens. And he hit 505 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 4: a ground ball. Great, next inning, get a big time 506 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 4: double play? Why well, I got a run on first, 507 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 4: I got a lefty up, and I'm like, I'm gonna 508 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 4: throw a sinker. I did not throw the best sinker. 509 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 4: I throw a good sinker. He actually barreled it up. 510 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 4: Balls on the ground, that's all I can do. Panic, 511 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 4: lays out, flips it up. That's not my controllable. That's 512 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 4: how I thought about everything. So I relaxed, where everybody 513 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 4: else is like, oh I gotta hit this ball in 514 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 4: the gap, or I gotta make you tighten up at 515 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 4: the plate. I just loosen up on the mound like 516 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 4: I'm great, I'm fine, Like I can't control all these 517 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 4: other things. And that's what David Cook told me. He's like, 518 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 4: if you can simplify it, and what is your controllable, 519 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 4: not think about oh my gosh, it's two to one 520 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 4: or it's a big inning like I got it's the 521 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 4: Game seven of the World Series. 522 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 3: Those are not your controllables. That's already there. That's an uncontrollable. 523 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 3: That's what that's what you mean. What is your controllable? 524 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 4: Sixty feet six inches seventeen inches bust are setting up away, 525 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 4: throw your sinker, finish your pitch and you're delivery the 526 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 4: right way and be convicted when you throw it. 527 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 3: Just do that that pitch. 528 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 1: That's all you can control is that that pitch. 529 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 3: And then what he does, he does. 530 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 4: He might take it, he might swing, he might file 531 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 4: it off, he might pop it up, he might hit 532 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 4: in the ground. I mean, how many times have you 533 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 4: I one of the questions posed to me. I've thrown 534 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 4: a ball right down the middle and the hitter pops 535 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 4: it straight up. I've thrown a ball on the black 536 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 4: and he flicks it out there and hits the ball 537 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 4: for a double because it hit the I can't control 538 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,679 Speaker 4: what the hitter does. I can only control that I 539 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 4: execute my pitch. So I'm going to execute my pitch 540 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 4: the best that I can, and I don't worry about it. 541 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 3: That was how I did it. 542 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 4: That's honestly how I did it because the pressure became 543 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,439 Speaker 4: on the hitter and I had great defense. Did it 544 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 4: work out? 545 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 3: Yes? Absolutely, I could have had a sevn yar a. 546 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 3: I didn't. So I can't sit there and say, well, 547 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 3: this is what. 548 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 4: I did to have this lowly alright. I don't have 549 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 4: a special formula. I just simplified the game. In the 550 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 4: regular season. Even though you try to do that, the 551 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 4: hitters are relaxed because they're like, I got five hundred 552 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 4: at bats, you know, like whatever, this one at bat 553 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 4: is not going to make or break me. In the playoffs, 554 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 4: that one at bat might win a ball game, so 555 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 4: they tightened up. So for me, I'm like, I'm just 556 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 4: going to keep doing the same everything that I did 557 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,959 Speaker 4: during the regular season, and I'm going to make that 558 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 4: hitter tighten up, and I'm just going to stay loose 559 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 4: and let's see what happens. 560 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 1: That's valuable information from Jeremy Affel. 561 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 2: I mean for anybody that plays any sport in a 562 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 2: big game, because a lot of people put pressure. I know, 563 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 2: I only had one playoff experience, not like you, but 564 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 2: I was the type version. I look back at that 565 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 2: and I wish I could have done it differently. And 566 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,199 Speaker 2: I was a big mental game guy. I visualized in 567 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 2: goal set and breathed and all that stuff every day. 568 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 2: And there were some times when I would lay in 569 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 2: my bed before I went to the ballpark with my 570 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 2: headphones on and have Lunatic Fringe on by Red Rider, 571 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 2: that was my song, and I would sit there and 572 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 2: see the guy throwing the pitch and I would see 573 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 2: my barrel hitting it, and I would see me rounding 574 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 2: first for a double and it's going the gap, and 575 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 2: then in the game it happens exactly the way. 576 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 3: It's weird. 577 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 2: It's like I'm deja vu. I'm in a dream. I 578 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 2: can't believe it. I would visualize even the reporters talking 579 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 2: to me after the game, headlines in the newspaper like 580 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:49,959 Speaker 2: Santangeo has a great game, whatever it was. 581 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: But those are all controllables, right, and you think about 582 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: that stuff. But you know me well enough. Now, I 583 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: got real excited. I was the guy that you got 584 00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: out in the big games. 585 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 4: I was this guy because you get up there and 586 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 4: it's you can visualize that, but mentally it is so 587 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 4: hard to control the. 588 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,880 Speaker 3: Brain when it's all excited and you're like, this is it. 589 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 4: And a good hitter, a good hitter in the playoffs, 590 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 4: they don't think like that. They're like, all right, this 591 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 4: guy's gonna throw this, he's gonna work this. I'm just 592 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 4: gonna take a nice easy swing here and see what happens. 593 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 4: The good hitters that play with think about how many 594 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 4: great hitters in the in the Raiders season were and 595 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 4: they go to the playoffs and they're a non factor. 596 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 3: Everybody expects them to get it done. 597 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: Barry was like that for a long time. Every two 598 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 1: thousand and two and he. 599 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 3: Relaxed and he's like, whatever, I got it. And he 600 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 3: was a loose hitter in two thousand and two. 601 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 4: I mean it's almost like he was like, whatever is heasy, 602 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 4: I'm gonna'm gonna I'm gonna take this guy deep, right, 603 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 4: But if you look at all the good hitters, I mean, 604 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 4: come on, man, I mean, Alex Rodriguez had opportunities. 605 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 3: Honestly, he was. He was an unbelievable player, great in 606 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 3: the playoffs. It just is what it is. And I 607 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 3: don't know, I can't say I know why that was. Like, 608 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 3: it doesn't mean he was tight. It just could be. 609 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 4: But those guys, it would be super hard to be 610 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:10,239 Speaker 4: those guys because you are expected to do what you 611 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 4: did in the regular season. So that expectation level. I 612 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 4: don't care how much you get paid, I don't care 613 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 4: how good you are, how many All Star teams you're on, whether. 614 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 3: You're a Hall of Famer or not. 615 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 4: Sometimes that expectation gets in your head and all of 616 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 4: a sudden, that slows your brain down just enough to 617 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 4: wear that little what quarter of a second, and you 618 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 4: get decision. You're late because you're thinking too much. You're 619 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 4: not just reacting. You're like, Okay, everybody wants me to 620 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 4: get this. Oh, like yeah, that's it your brain is. 621 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 4: It's really really hard to do, and if you can 622 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 4: learn how not to, you're gonna see good hitter. I mean, 623 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 4: Cody Ross, Come on, man, I love that guy, but 624 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 4: you're not hitting freaking homers off that guy in the playoffs. 625 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 3: You're not that guy threw a no hitter against the 626 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 3: Red in the playoffs. I mean, you're not. 627 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: You're not. 628 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 4: You're not beating him like he did it. And because 629 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 4: he relaxed, he he literally played relaxed. I mean talking 630 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 4: to him, he was just having fun. He's like, whatever, 631 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 4: we go there and clicks him, you know, like it's 632 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 4: it's crazy, but certain hitters can do it, certain pitchers 633 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 4: can do it. You can train yourself to do it. 634 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 4: But it is not really any secret formula. It's I 635 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 4: just tried to do everything the same and am My 636 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 4: routine going to the ballpark is the same as the 637 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 4: Reglar season. How I got ready for a game was 638 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 4: the same as. I didn't change anything. I just did 639 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,360 Speaker 4: everything the same and then it worked out. 640 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: That's awesome, all right, last one and we got to 641 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 1: get going. 642 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 2: You mentioned your battery mate Bester Posey many times in 643 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 2: this How do you think he's doing his President of 644 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 2: Baseball Operation. I'm a huge fan of the person and 645 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 2: what he's done so far. But is it weird for 646 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 2: you to see him in this role? Did you ever 647 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 2: think he'd be in this role? And how do you 648 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 2: think he's. 649 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: Doing so far? 650 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 3: I did not think he'd be in the role? Does 651 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 3: he Is he doing a job in the role? I do? 652 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 3: I think he has. 653 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 4: He has a very interesting dynamic to work with and 654 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 4: he's made some decisions that people are like, WHOA, that's 655 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 4: putting a lot on the line there. 656 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 3: But that's kind of him in what regard. 657 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 4: So he doesn't make He doesn't make big headlines. So 658 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 4: he's not you will see everybody's like, well, we're not 659 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,199 Speaker 4: doing anything that. He probably is doing a lot. He 660 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 4: just doesn't talk about it. Everything's close to the chest. 661 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 4: But that's how he played. You didn't see him hit 662 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,239 Speaker 4: a homer and run around the bases and be all 663 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 4: hooplob the guy hit a homer, run around the bases. 664 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 4: The only time he saw him give a hug was 665 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 4: when they won the World championshpeah like. He does not 666 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 4: get excited about everything. He doesn't make everything a headline. 667 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 4: He is very professional and how he goes about his 668 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 4: business and he's trying to get things done. What people 669 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 4: need to remember is he won the trade deadline last year. 670 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 4: What he had to give up was what he got 671 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 4: in return to build a team. 672 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 3: He won. 673 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 4: He won against them, the Mets deels genius, Like, he 674 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 4: didn't have to give up a ton, Like he got 675 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 4: prospects to help build you know, upcoming situ which you 676 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 4: will see in probably a year or two down the road. 677 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 4: And he didn't give up the entire team to do it. 678 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 4: And so he's very calculated and how he's doing things 679 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 4: and does he take risks. He does, but they're calculated risks. 680 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 4: It's how he caught. He took a risk when he caught, 681 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 4: but it was a calculated he found. Yeah, like he 682 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 4: he would never call a curveball. I'm like, bustr, I 683 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 4: freaking throw curveballs. 684 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 3: You know that, right? He's like, yeah, I do know that. 685 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 4: Half the time they're off my jugular because you put 686 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 4: them fifty feet into the ground. It's a good curveball short. 687 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 4: So when I call a curveball, I'm calculating that risk. 688 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,479 Speaker 4: It's a better risk for you to throw a sinker 689 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 4: because they can't hit it, I'm gonna get that. 690 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 3: And when I when? 691 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 4: When when when I If you shake me to a 692 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 4: curveball and I keep wanting to go to a fastball, 693 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 4: that means it's not the risk, that it's not the 694 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 4: right risk. I know what they're every every pitch he 695 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 4: calls the risk everything. You don't know that it's gonna work. 696 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 4: You're just saying it's a calculators, it's work. 697 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: So he's doing the same thing as a president. 698 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 3: He's doing the same thing. 699 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 4: He's like, when I decided to go all in on something, 700 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 4: or when I decided to make a big risky move, 701 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:11,719 Speaker 4: it was the time to do it. 702 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 3: But it's not like I. 703 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 4: Just threw it up on the wall and like, okay, 704 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 4: there's everything. Even with the manager, everybody thought the same thing, 705 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 4: like you did what? Then you think about how many 706 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 4: players from Tennessee are on the Giants or who have 707 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 4: played with the guy or against the guy or for 708 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 4: the guy. Then you see all the players Todd Helton, 709 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 4: you don't think I might be wrong, But I watched 710 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 4: Todd Hilton's peach at the Hall of Fame. 711 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 3: He called that guy OUTAI it's one of the best 712 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 3: coaches he's ever. 713 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 4: Seen a Hall of Famer in his Hall of Fame 714 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 4: speech named that guy. Yeah, in the speech, I'm pretty 715 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 4: sure you knew that. Somebody knew it. So it's like, well, 716 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 4: he's got a lot of credibility and maybe, yes, he 717 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 4: comes from the college. Yes, it's a big jump. You 718 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 4: don't think Buster knew all that. He knew all that stuff, 719 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 4: So it's calculated. He sees a lot of different things 720 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 4: going on, and he knows the team, he knows the 721 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 4: energy to the team, he knows the feel of the team, 722 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 4: he knows the risk he took. But it's calculated. So 723 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 4: I look at all those things and I think, man, 724 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 4: you give him. He's going to make moves. Every president 725 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 4: GM makes a move that people are going to question, 726 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 4: will it work out? We'll see what was it calculated? Yes, 727 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 4: was it a risk, Yes, they're all that way. But 728 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 4: I think he's doing a great job. And for him 729 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 4: to say he didn't need to work for us of 730 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 4: his life, everybody knows that enough to do that. He's 731 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 4: a Hall of Famer. He can sit back and relax, 732 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 4: but he cares about the giants enough where he actually 733 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 4: said I kind of want to run it. I kind 734 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,479 Speaker 4: of want to run this gig. I care about this 735 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 4: team enough, I care about this city enough. I care 736 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 4: about the history of the team enough that I want 737 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 4: to be a part of it in the future, and 738 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 4: I want to try to build something. So let me 739 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 4: try to me. You got to respect him just for that. 740 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 4: But I think he's doing a great job. 741 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 2: That was great stuff. All right, we'll let you go, Jeremy. 742 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 2: You're gonna take care of some business here, but thanks 743 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 2: for coming by, and maybe we'll face each other in 744 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 2: the Giants Fantasy Camp League Championship. 745 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 4: My guys better learn how to hit singles. 746 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 3: Singles. 747 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,959 Speaker 1: My guys are good. I'm excited. Thanks for coming to name. 748 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 2: All right, we'll take care of some business here. We 749 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 2: got some merchandise that we want to show you guys 750 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 2: for the podcast, and it's good stuff. It's splash it 751 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 2: territory merchandise here. 752 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: It is there. 753 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 2: It is sorry I pressed the wrong button there for 754 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 2: a second. It's you see the shirts, you see the 755 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 2: boats in the cove. You see another shirt. But it's 756 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 2: good stuff. I loved the name of our podcast. I mean, 757 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 2: we came up with it before we started this whole thing. 758 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 2: I do want the coffee cup, and I haven't had 759 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 2: a cup, I said, cub cup. I haven't got any 760 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 2: merch yet, so maybe maybe I can get some merch 761 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 2: everybody and wear it on the podcast before before the 762 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 2: next episode. We'll see how it goes. I'm still down 763 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 2: here in Scottsdale. We also need some subscribers. We're trying 764 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 2: to get to three thousand. You guys are doing a 765 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 2: great job. We're almost there right now. We want to 766 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 2: get three thousand subscribers. Go to YouTube wherever you find 767 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 2: your podcast, click on like, click on subscribe, and we 768 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 2: will like you very much. We do read the comments. 769 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 2: I read all the comments. 770 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: I go on there. 771 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 2: You guys have been great. You're liking the podcast so far, 772 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 2: and we're having fun. And we're also having fun here 773 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 2: from scotts all right, I gotta go jump in the shower. 774 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 2: It was a long day two and oh baby, we 775 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 2: won both games one of the second one fourteen to 776 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 2: three beat JT. Snow's team. I know how to draft 777 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 2: the ball club, and I know how to coach a 778 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 2: ball club. At least I know how to coach old people. 779 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 2: It's been fun here, all right. Thanks for listening guys 780 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 2: today that's stuff from Jeremy Affelt. I'm going to go 781 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 2: I don't generally rewatch these, but I'm going to go 782 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 2: rewatch this one, just because the mental side of the 783 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 2: game was a big part of my game, and for 784 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 2: him to give that valuable information about big games and 785 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 2: its philosophy. I'm pitching and the sinker and the curveball 786 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 2: in the mindset of a reliever. 787 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: Like if I'm buster. I'm inviting that guy. 788 00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 2: To spring training in a couple of weeks because that 789 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 2: stuff was really, really good, and you know why. He's 790 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 2: a three time World Series champion on the Wall of Fame, 791 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 2: the Core four, and he's becoming one of my friends. 792 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 2: We're having a last year at Fantasy Camp. On and 793 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 2: off the field, all right, I'm out of here, like 794 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 2: I say on the way out. 795 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 1: Every single time swing art in case you hit it.