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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ Bucky

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Speaker 1: and our good friend Rhet Lewis back with us. Nice.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, it's good. It's gonna be back with you guys.

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Speaker 1: I feel like draft season is an official until I

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Speaker 1: there's been some news that has happened since you've been

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Speaker 1: basketball thing in any out of basketball. I know you

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Speaker 1: Mike Woodson coming back. How do you feel about like

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Speaker 1: that one? Well, here's what I'll say, dj Um. We

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Speaker 1: similar to what Michigan did, but bringing Mike Woodson, relating

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Speaker 1: By the way, everybody everybody tuning in today, I mean

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Speaker 1: It is what it wants. Maybe who bloods you know.

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Speaker 1: So Jared Goff like he's over to stopping for houses

429
00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,720
Speaker 1: and you already trying to have him. I'm just saying, like,

430
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,480
Speaker 1: that's not the Is that crazy? It's not crazy, it's

431
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,480
Speaker 1: not crazy. But for him, man, he's like maybe he's

432
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,960
Speaker 1: maybe she's in an apartment. Yeah, we're still in the

433
00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,960
Speaker 1: rental market right now. I think settle down a bit.

434
00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,520
Speaker 1: I don't rule anything out. I think that that trade

435
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,239
Speaker 1: that Jared Goff was a good you know, they were

436
00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,399
Speaker 1: they're happy about Jared Goff, but that trade was about

437
00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,280
Speaker 1: getting ones. You know, that was trading Matt Stafford and

438
00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,879
Speaker 1: getting ones. And who's to say that the Miami Dolphins

439
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,360
Speaker 1: aren't interested in popping back a slaughter two as well.

440
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,879
Speaker 1: They're sitting at number six, you know, like they've been

441
00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,000
Speaker 1: moving all around like they they seem hell been on

442
00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,760
Speaker 1: getting one of those two guys. They have their eyes

443
00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,080
Speaker 1: on somebody. And I don't know who that somebody is.

444
00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,199
Speaker 1: I don't know whatever is the river scalpis, but it

445
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:05,840
Speaker 1: seems like they have their eyes on someone. If we yeah,

446
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,240
Speaker 1: if we have quarterbacks go one to three, four Bengals

447
00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,320
Speaker 1: stick and pick at five, somebody wants to get your

448
00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 1: quarterback at six, like you know, it's desperate. Yeah, that's

449
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,320
Speaker 1: it's just a thought. I if if five quarterbacks, if

450
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,919
Speaker 1: five quarterbacks go within the top seven, like I like

451
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 1: the quarterback class, I do like the quarterback saying it.

452
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:31,520
Speaker 1: But if five quarterbacks happened to go within the first

453
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:35,720
Speaker 1: seven picks, I think my brain will explode in terms

454
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:40,119
Speaker 1: of just all of it. Have you guys, uh quick

455
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 1: sidebar here? Have we loosened on the on the Bengals

456
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,359
Speaker 1: taken an offensive lineman strangle hold here at number five?

457
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 1: Has that has that started to loosen up? Here? A

458
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 1: little bit. I don't have them taken an offensive linement

459
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,120
Speaker 1: in my mock draft that comes out tomorrow. Put that way.

460
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:56,959
Speaker 1: You know, I've been told by people that you have

461
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 1: to that, you know, you have a gun to your head,

462
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 1: you have to take off. And I've also had it confirmed.

463
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure, but I did have it confirmed the draft. Yes,

464
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 1: let me let me look, it does go beyond the

465
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 1: first round this year. They're actually gonna have seven rounds,

466
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,159
Speaker 1: so you can actually pick offensive linemen. In other places

467
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 1: in the draft it's allowed. So so you think that

468
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 1: being potentially could take a playmaker instead of a protector. Umyeah, like,

469
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,679
Speaker 1: what do is Duke Tobin think? You know? I mean you,

470
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,880
Speaker 1: as an organization, they need interior offensive lineman, they do.

471
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:34,879
Speaker 1: I mean that you took Jonah Williams with what the

472
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 1: twelfth pick to play left tackle and if he played okay,

473
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,719
Speaker 1: he wasn't bad. I mean you you believe that. If

474
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 1: you don't, if you don't trust your evaluation, you just

475
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,199
Speaker 1: took a left tackle with the twelth pick. I can

476
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 1: get it. I can get interior a linement in the second,

477
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 1: third round. They're gonna upgrade what they've been playing with

478
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 1: they got. I mean, Riley Reefs a placeholder is a

479
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 1: right tackle, but at least he gets me through a year. Um,

480
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 1: but they need they need interior guys. He said, I'm

481
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,120
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna draft Penny Soone ask him to play

482
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 1: right on the right side, and I mean, I don't know.

483
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 1: So they're gonna draft another weapon to go with Tyler

484
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 1: boy Te Higgins and so we're saying a wide receiver

485
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 1: or maybe a pass catcher down the middle of so

486
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,159
Speaker 1: cal So cal Pits goes to Cincinnati as opposed to

487
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,199
Speaker 1: Jamaar Chase, Like, guess what we're thinking. It's it's one

488
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 1: of those things. Someone to can, I'm giving away my

489
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 1: whole mock draft here. I mean I don't, I don't,

490
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know what your draft is, but

491
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 1: you just blown my mind. I'm like, what the being

492
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: is gonna pick a playmaker? Yeah? I just had business

493
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 1: with John Ross, who I liked all over again they

494
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 1: picked in the top ten. I mean again, hold on, buck,

495
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 1: I don't have a I don't have an alarm bell

496
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 1: to ring, but to have John Ross's name mentioned within

497
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 1: about two seconds of Kyle Pitts's name Uh, the alarm

498
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 1: bells in my head have just exploded. Well they have to.

499
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 1: He was a top ten pick. I'm just saying he

500
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: won a top ten player. This is the best. But

501
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 1: how many tight ends have you how many buck you've

502
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 1: been doing this, we've been doing this together. Sorry, maybe

503
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 1: a little bit before me twenty years. How many tight

504
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 1: ends have you seen better than this kid? But okay,

505
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 1: but here here's what I would say about that. Right

506
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: when I look at the Pro Bowl caliber type the

507
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl tight ends, George Kettle, Travis Kelsey, Darren Waller,

508
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: all drafted fifth round, the Lord, I haven't seen a

509
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 1: first round tight end come and dominate like we've expected,

510
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 1: particularly T J. Hockenson. Good player, not a great player.

511
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 1: Um Eric E Run did I live up to the

512
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 1: hype as a top ten player? I mean, I love O. J. Howard.

513
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,360
Speaker 1: He hasn't been like, we haven't seen one of those

514
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 1: guys that we've expressed or said, hey, this is a

515
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 1: generational talent at the tight end position that's going to dominate,

516
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 1: dominate when they walked in and I like outfits, and

517
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: I like, I like what he does, but he don't know.

518
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: But no, it's not only him it's the guy who's

519
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: designing plays for him, because that's who you also have

520
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: to scout. How many guys know how to unlock the

521
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: tight end. I don't believe every offensive coordinate in the

522
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 1: league knows how to unlock or utilize a guy that

523
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 1: is like cal Pitts, and so I don't know. So

524
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 1: I'm a little lower on Colpus in terms of what

525
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: he would do coming into the league than others because

526
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 1: I just don't know if someone knows how to play

527
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 1: with him correctly as a video game, here's here's here's

528
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: the good news. Thought. The good news is, if you

529
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: have a coach who's not smart enough to know how

530
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: to feature him as a tight end, just playing with receiver,

531
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: he'd be better than anybody. Higgins. I'd take him at

532
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: number five, even if he never puts his hand in

533
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 1: the dirt. Oh my gosh, he's like he meant corners.

534
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: He played the best corners in the best conference, and

535
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 1: he cooked them all. He cooked all of them, he did.

536
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: I'm all right, no, no, no no, But it's a

537
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: it's a good discussion because I am the lone wolf

538
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: when it comes to the sending. I think he's super talented.

539
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: I like what he does getting in space and all that.

540
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: He's a jumble wide receiver. We have seen that position

541
00:25:55,440 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 1: half success, but we've also seen people find those difference

542
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: makers in later rounds. And so if we talked about

543
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: marquee positions in team building, DJ, that's never been the

544
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 1: position that we talked about. A The pillar of our

545
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,120
Speaker 1: team is tight end. Like we've never said what I'm

546
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 1: not going to mention any names because this got sideways,

547
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: but um, what if what if a certain particular someone

548
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: wasn't popping wheelies on his motorcycle on a mini mall

549
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,719
Speaker 1: uh parking lot? Do you think we'd be having this conversation.

550
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 1: I don't know who's who's popping Willie's and mini mall?

551
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: Remember K two? Do you remember how good K two

552
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: was coming in Miami? They decided he want to be

553
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 1: evil comed Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, I mean

554
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 1: he was, he was. He was the best. I didn't

555
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: have to grade him. I didn't have to grade him.

556
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 1: And obviously no, no, no coming out. He was he was.

557
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 1: He was unbelievable. He was and Jeremy Shocky was uh

558
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: their value. But man, like think back, you know a

559
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: year like this early two thousands, like this a long

560
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: time ago. I don't know that's but that's why I

561
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: was like this guy. I'm like, he's he's just different.

562
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: Man like he Sometimes it's like, hey, I don't want

563
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: to take a guard with the second pick, But darn

564
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: it if I hadn't see anybody like Quentin Nelson before.

565
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: It was the best run blocking offensive lineman I've ever evaluated.

566
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: And I can get positional value, but every now and

567
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: then you get a unicorn that pops up, you got

568
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: to recognize it for what it is. Um, all right,

569
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: you mentioned pen A Sewel there, Buck, Let's get to

570
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: that one there. Um, I have him, I know you

571
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: have him as a top tackle, a him as the

572
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 1: number two tacklety pounds, a big man, you know length,

573
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: you know, it's fine, it's it's a little bit on

574
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: the lower end, but it's it's kind of in line

575
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: with with a lot of these offensive lineman this year,

576
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 1: which is interesting point. We used to have everybody get

577
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: the arms measured at the combine, so it was all

578
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 1: but measured by the same guy, the same standard, and

579
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: talking to some teams around the league, they're like, they're

580
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: not they're not putting quite as much stock into the

581
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: arm length this year, because that's doing it at once

582
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 1: school versus the West Coast scout that's doing it the other.

583
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: It's not a uniform standard here, No it's not. Because

584
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: if you can't find a little notch he's the shoulder right,

585
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 1: it changes and those little inches matter when it comes

586
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 1: to army. So I understand that because without a combine,

587
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: all of these things are different, like how much current

588
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: value can you put into any of these numbers when

589
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: it comes to forty times and all the other stuff

590
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 1: because surfaces of difference hand times are different than official

591
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 1: laser times and and all of this stuff. But in

592
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: terms of pen a soul, you know, it's funny because

593
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 1: he didn't play this year and so there's a little

594
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: out of sight, out of mind nature to him and

595
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: the evaluation. But he is super light on his feet.

596
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: He is a dancing bearrier. He really does a great

597
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: job in the run game. He can climb and you

598
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: those things. We talked to Mario crystal Ball. He just

599
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: raves about him. That said, when I talked to some

600
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: scouts on the West Coast, he's not the number one

601
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: gal on the West Coast on some boards, and to me,

602
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: I think people would be surprised to hear that because

603
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: there's some of people that view Varia Tucker as a

604
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: more higher upset better player than Pine Seul, and I

605
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: don't think anyone would have thought that went into the season.

606
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: Do those people view Varia Tucker as a guard or

607
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: as a tackle? They think as a tackle, but they

608
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: think that he has the insurance policy of being able

609
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: to be a Pro Bowl caliber guard Because you're looking

610
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: at him, I think, yeah, I think he'll be. I

611
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: think he ended up being a Pro Bowl caliber all

612
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: Pro caliber guards what he ended up being. But I

613
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: mean I remember um when I put it out, Gosh,

614
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: maybe November, I don't know when. It was somewhere on

615
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: the November December when I just kind of of the

616
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: offensive lineman I had watched and I had said Rashaan

617
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: Slater was my top offensive lineman and just not having

618
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: pin Ay Seul in that top spot. I mean, people

619
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: lost their minds on that, like they could not understand it.

620
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I like, I I do, I think

621
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: both those guys are where are they on my list? Here?

622
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,719
Speaker 1: I've got uh Slater as my ninth player. Seul as

623
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: my twelfth player. But I wouldn't hate it. Look if

624
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: if the Bengals took Suel with the fifth pick, he's

625
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: a he's a good player, I wouldn't. I understand that

626
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: it's a little bit higher than I have him, but

627
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: I get it. I wouldn't hate it. I just don't think.

628
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: I don't know where you are, Buck, But when I

629
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: stack up and you can go if you want to go, uh,

630
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: you know, for the generation, for the I just don't

631
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: believe he's a generational player, like people have talked about

632
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: him like he's a generational player. And I've been around

633
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: Jonathan Ogden, I've been around Joe Thomas, I've been around

634
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: Jason Peters. He's not in that class for me, not

635
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: not personally. But when I when I look at last

636
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: year's class, I would take McKay Beckton over him. I

637
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: would take worse over him. I'd take Wills over him.

638
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: I think those guys are better players. Go look at again,

639
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: Go look at all the arm length, all the explosive

640
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: numbers that jumps everything. Those guys are all more impressive

641
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: than pene Seul and that stuff. So to me, when

642
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: I hear a generational player, I'm thinking, I haven't seen

643
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: anything like this, dude, And I I go back to

644
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: last year, he'd be the fourth tackle for me. Where

645
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: do where do offensive line coaches stand on pin a

646
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: soul from the aspect of still being like a real

647
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: like multiple ball of Clay's a guy, he's twenty years old.

648
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,719
Speaker 1: He's really played you know, like one real full season

649
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: right as as a starter. So like, is there is

650
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: that sense does that get them excited or does that

651
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: make them like nervous? I mean, I think they're all

652
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: the different because I think you have a faction of

653
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: folks out there that love the teaching and development mental

654
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: process of being able to take someone and and help

655
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: elevate their game by giving them some tools or straight

656
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: now some little things UM that allow them to be

657
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: more consistent, particularly against elite competition. UM. With Pine, I

658
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: think he certainly offers a lot. And in the run game,

659
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: he can match, he can move people, he can play

660
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: in either his own or power based scheme and do

661
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: those things. I think DJ's point, though, is important to remember,

662
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: and I think sometimes we tend to forget it, Like

663
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: when DJ talks about generational talent talents UM and comparing

664
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: guys in this year's class to those. That helps having

665
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: a point of reference having either evaluated or been on

666
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: a team where you've seen a Hall of Fame caliber

667
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: peat player, because you always compare that person to that.

668
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: So DJ will talk about Jonathan Ogden. For me, I

669
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: was in the seatom when Walter Jones was there, and

670
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: so it's hard for me to give out those big

671
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: grades because I saw Walter Jones and Steve Hutchinson completely

672
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: make a wall on the left side of the ball

673
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: and it was impenetrable. They dominated, We ran the ball left.

674
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: Everyone knew the ball was going left, and it didn't matter.

675
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: And so like that is the standard that we still

676
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: have to use for the top five. And so, yeah,

677
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: like Penney Sewell wouldn't rank as the top guy in

678
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: last year's class. He is a very very good player,

679
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: and I haven't ranked as the top offensive tackle. But

680
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: that grading process and historical grades, it certainly should matter

681
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: when it come him to given out the great and

682
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: talking about him when you have an opportunity to move

683
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: off of him in favor of let's say, like cal Piss,

684
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: who you guys are saying as a generational talent, the

685
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: value would be cal pits over him because you're talking

686
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: about someone who we're saying is a gold jacket guy,

687
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: Like that should be the standard when we're talking about

688
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: those guys in the top five. And then the last

689
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: thing I'll say on Soul is like, if not the Bengals,

690
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: then where like you're looking maybe ten to the Cowboys,

691
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: you're looking outside the top ten at that point. Yeah,

692
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: I think so. I think I think he gets on

693
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: the grease pold a little bit and he gets down

694
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: into that conversation the Cowboys, the Giants, two Chargers. He's

695
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: somewhere in that ten to fifteen. I mean, I mentioned, look,

696
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: I have him as a twelfth player. But if I'm

697
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: the Chargers picking at thirteen and he's you know, gets

698
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: to ten, nine, ten, I think, you know, if and

699
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: I'm a Slater, I'm a Slater guy. But Slater could

700
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: very well end up playing inside the Chargers have that

701
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: that whole at left tackle. I would probably still lean

702
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: towards later, but I wouldn't hate it at all if

703
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: the Charges were in at thirteen and traded up to

704
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: nine or ten and took Piney sewell to let him

705
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: protect his old buddy there and Justin Herbert. I think

706
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: that's a I think that's a smart move man. I

707
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: think it's I think it's a really smart movie if

708
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: he's there. And I think if you're the charges, you

709
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: obviously know um doing a lot of work and contributing there.

710
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: It is all about for me, protecting the king. Will

711
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: take a chess reference. The first thing that you learned

712
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: in chess is it's all about protecting the king. And

713
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: so if Justin Herbert is what we say is and

714
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 1: he's shown to be an elite level player, I'm gonna

715
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: make sure that he has protected so he can do

716
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: what he does from the pocket and as a playmaker.

717
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: And so piney Sel was there, and I think you

718
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: run the card up. Yeah. No, I wouldn't think he

719
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: would get by them by any stretch. I'd be curiously

720
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: if they would try and go up and get him

721
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: if he did start to drift a little bit. Um.

722
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: That's an interesting Uh, it's interesting conversation. There's a lot

723
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: of these kind of like inflection points in the draft.

724
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: Um as we look at it. Anything else buck from

725
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: the from the pro day circuit that that stood out

726
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: to you. I thought one thing, jam Johnson of Indiana.

727
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're yeah, we're gonna spend We're gonna devote

728
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: a whole show to that next week. Uh uh did

729
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: you see the Rashod Bateman? Uh he was listed at

730
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: two ten. DJ said was wrong. He's a he's a

731
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 1: hundred ninety pounds Like DJ, it was a really good player.

732
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: But that's like I was like, whoa whether it frustrated

733
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: me right because and here's the thing where you don't

734
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: get a chance to go on the road, and no

735
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: one could get on the road. We couldn't go to

736
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: real games and see him. And so when someone is

737
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: listed in the media got his six to two ten,

738
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: and then you watch him play, the comparisons that I

739
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: was making based on this game, he's like, hey a

740
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: J Brown, Michael Thomas this. Well, then when he shows

741
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: up at a hundred and ninety pounds and he runs

742
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: like that, When that the comparisons go from those beasts

743
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: physically to now we're talking about like I think next

744
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: gen Staffs was Kenny Steeles and Justin Jefferson and those things.

745
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: That's a huge difference in terms of as we're building

746
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: the basketball team style of play. Yeah, like we now

747
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,240
Speaker 1: went from fat lever the post up shooting guard Tony

748
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: I do that. They're floating around like Alex ings like

749
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: it's a completely different deal. And I know the young

750
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: people will know they're gonna be like, who who's fat

751
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: leaving whatever? Like, but but that's what we did, Like

752
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 1: we completely changed stylistically how we're building our basketball team

753
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: on the perimeter. Just from those differences. That's the year though,

754
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: that's the year that that we're in. And that's why

755
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: like when people say, um, I don't understand how you

756
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 1: can have movement the season and it like a couple

757
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: of things that I always laugh at that A couple

758
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: of things. First of all, when this when the season ends,

759
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 1: like college football, they play the national championship games. To

760
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: make another dated reference, we don't go gidget and like

761
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, we've evaluated four hundred players,

762
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: like you know, when we're not done like that, we're

763
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: still getting through them. And then we go through when

764
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: we put the bass layer of paint on the wall,

765
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: and then we got to go through and go back

766
00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: and do a little bit more. We do the neighborhood,

767
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: you know, get him in the neighborhood. Then right now,

768
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: I like the church. One get him in the church.

769
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: We gotta get in the right view, you know. But

770
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: it's it's a long process, and it's especially difficult when

771
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: you don't have any measurements, which we are now starting

772
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: to get okay, So I know, DJ, sometimes you have

773
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: to mute my stuff on Twitter because I tend to

774
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: get in these um dust ups with people um commonly,

775
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: So I I got. I got in the dust up

776
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: uh Friday with a recruiting analyst who took a shot

777
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: about mock drafts, and I wrote a thing about mac

778
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: Jones not being a first round town. I didn't see this,

779
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: So I wrote this thing about mac Jones. I compared

780
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: him to the Avengers. I see it. He's iron Man,

781
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: meaning that when I look at this quarterback class, I

782
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,720
Speaker 1: feel like all these other guys have superpowers right justin

783
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: Field's trade Lands, Zack Wilson, Trevor Lawrence, they all have

784
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: these magical powers either athleticism, armed talent, and those guys

785
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: to make it happen. Mac Jones is iron Man to

786
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: me because all of his powers or the suit, you

787
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: take the suit off, he doesn't have any superpriwers, and

788
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: so the suit to me has been the supporting cast

789
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: of Alabama or whatever. So I said, look, he's not

790
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: a first round talent. I wouldn't grate him as a

791
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: first round talent. If we were working for a team,

792
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 1: I couldn't give him a seven or a higher grade.

793
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: So someone's like, oh, your my draft. You had him

794
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 1: at thirty two, so you thought. I said, okay. For one,

795
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: never never, never judge my opinion on a mob draft.

796
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: And I hated to like pull behind the curtain. I said, look, man,

797
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: my drafts for entertainment. I'n be honest with you, like

798
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: they generate clicks and interest in all those other things.

799
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 1: We can talk about scenarios, but if you want to

800
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: know how I really feel, either read a report or

801
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: look at how I ranked him top top five or whatever.

802
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: That's how I feel. And so I happen to do

803
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 1: something that was very immature. I went, I went down there,

804
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: I went down that person's timeline. I happened to catch

805
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: a thing where he had tweeted in October that Matt

806
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: Jones in his mind was a third round pick, and

807
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: so I was like, I didn't think it was a

808
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: first rounder, and you didn't either, And so then he

809
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 1: was like, oh, boy, But I mean, come on, like

810
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: it was funny. It was Friday, I was feeling frisky.

811
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: I was like, let's have so I've told you. I

812
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: feel like I've coached you through this. Look, man, this

813
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: is what happened. Because I'm a recent convert to coffee, right,

814
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: so now I started drinking coffee, so I get the

815
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,240
Speaker 1: caffeine in me. I get so. But anyway, the bigger

816
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: point of the conversation just so people understand, like when

817
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: you talk about the variance is and how people move

818
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: up and down the board. Typically when we talk about

819
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: making adjustments, we're making tweaks. We don't make wholesale changes

820
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: from oh, this guy is a fourth rounder. Now I'm

821
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: gonna give him a first round grade. It is. Look,

822
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: here's the grade. But now let's get the order right

823
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 1: as it relates to the rest of the people. Guys

824
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 1: don't move up and down the board like that. During

825
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 1: this time of year. We'll do some of this stuff

826
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 1: for TV purposes right where we have these things, but

827
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 1: in real life, we don't change a great dramatically based

828
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: on some of the information that we get. And so

829
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: it's just understanding the scouting process. And you're right, therefore,

830
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: and you guys de great. We won't have everybody done

831
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: at certain checkpoints of the year, but we certainly have

832
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: them done by draft ding. And I think it's just

833
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: important to understand that. So that was the longest story

834
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: to get to that. That was good man, all Rhett

835
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: rhet You're gonna have to step in here. I've tried

836
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: to be Bucky s Twitter life coach and I've failed.

837
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: I've fail failed, definitely failed. Um, it's fun sometimes, it's

838
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: it's fun to go for I've been I've been finding

839
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: myself jumping into the fray a little bit on on

840
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: those who are the poo poo ing our mock draft.

841
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: I'm not our mock draft, our pro day coverage. I

842
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: said that on that. I said that on the air,

843
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: so I can't I can't say anything on that. I

844
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 1: called that out on the air. What what'd you call out? What? What? Well?

845
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: If the people are well, if you know and what

846
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 1: we say right, if if Pro days didn't matter, nobody

847
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: would go that. The umbest things in the world. I'm like,

848
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: they might be the dumbest things in the world, but

849
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Speaker 1: the smartest coach in the history of football just flew

850
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 1: to be at this thing. So I'm gonna go take

851
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: his opinion over yours. I'm sorry, it does actually matter

852
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: a little bit. Um. And then the other thing was

853
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: people like people get uh in their feelings and all

854
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: sad about the fact that that rhet and I were

855
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: getting excited about, you know, some of these throwing displays.

856
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: I saw some particular I saw some particular somebody's reference

857
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: to those things. They might have even posted a video

858
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: to kind of your boy, your boy Colin by the way,

859
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: um over at Fox was talking a lot about how

860
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: he's He's like, I can't remember a pro day, Like

861
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 1: I don't remember Andrew lux pro day. You don't remember

862
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: ever in the rain, driving in the wind, the last

863
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:02,919
Speaker 1: throw of the day he turned around to throw into

864
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: the wind. Yeah, it was very impressive. I was there.

865
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: It was very impressive. Right, So I just I've mentioned that,

866
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: but anyway, that's funny. But the whole right, my whole point,

867
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: My whole point was this, like, let's not live life

868
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: as such a cynical um, you know, just in a

869
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: dour state, Like let's just if you are you the

870
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: same person that sit there and goes this is the

871
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: worst dunk contest. This guy can't play. He's not he can't.

872
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: He's a terrible who cares? Who cares if he just

873
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: I roll emoji, I don't care about this is so dumb.

874
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, I have a I just have a

875
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: a coke and a smile. Put your feet up on

876
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: the dead the dunk contest. That's all we're That's all

877
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: this is. We're not saying this guy's moving up the

878
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 1: draft board and moving down. But a guy that throws

879
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: the ball like Kyle, like Zach Wilson was, it's just

880
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 1: fun to watch. It'd be fun to watch Steph Curry

881
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: go shoot threes up. Just take it for what it

882
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: is that you know, we don't have to be so

883
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: cynical and so you know we have to hate every

884
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: Mark McGuire and like, smile, laugh, enjoy life a little bit.

885
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, it's a way better way to live.

886
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: It is a way better um way to approach it.

887
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: Let's be positive. We don't have to be so negative.

888
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: No negative, everything not so serious. Okay, there's nobody no

889
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: no life or death issues here. We're just watching a

890
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: guy roll left and throw right. It's fun. We're allowed

891
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: to do that, all right, anything else you guys want

892
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: to add before jump out of here. You know, I

893
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: think spirited. But look, let's let's let's button it back

894
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 1: up because we started with basketball, so let's finish with basketball.

895
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about Jalen sut hitting the shot. Um,

896
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,959
Speaker 1: not only about him hitting the shot, but the fact

897
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: that he was a very decorated and accomplished multi sport athlete.

898
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the guy who was I think

899
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: you state player then football and basketball in Minnesota, a

900
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 1: four star recruit as a football player and a five

901
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,959
Speaker 1: star in basketball. Like, what what do we think about

902
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: the multi sport thing and how does it relate to

903
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: like what we're going to be talking about over the

904
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: next it's getting ready for the draft, particularly some of

905
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks. My first thought was, you know they do

906
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: the three sixty series, which is we're gonna have episodes

907
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: coming up here shortly. We're at this year. We're doing

908
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: what Lawrence fields Wilson. But when we do that, we

909
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: go back and we talked to all these these coaches.

910
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: You know, we did it with you know, Herbert last year,

911
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: and you talked to his basketball coach. We've done with

912
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: these guys. Um, and we've learned a lot about just

913
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: you know, the majority of these guys have all played

914
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: multiple sports. And we see it with Sugs being this

915
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: phenomenal basketball player at Gonzaga and he was a you know,

916
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: big time, big time quarterback recruit offered by everybody in

917
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: the country. But you know what got me thinking and

918
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: wasn't it? I think it was Haskins right where the

919
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 1: next quarterback because he was just playing football year round?

920
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: And I thought, you know what, that's that is interesting? Man,

921
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: Like it's to me, the the the the kind of

922
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: the what do we call that specialization that we're kind

923
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: of into now it's not good. I mean, this is

924
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: a great Sucks is another example of that. Like he's

925
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: he's done, Okay, didn't hurt his basketball career. He's playing

926
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,720
Speaker 1: football and Bucky didn't. Uh didn't your in your interview

927
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: with John Beck, didn't John talk about how justin Fields,

928
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: how he they've benefited from his baseball background a little bit.

929
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 1: Absolutely so. So here's the thing, not only that I

930
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 1: think the conversations and getting ready to put together the

931
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: three sixty, but you guys have to check out, um,

932
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: not only justin Fields, but Zack Wilson. So justin fields

933
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: background is in baseball and uh man, look, I think

934
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: he played in the middle of the infield or maybe

935
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: there and we talked about I think we talked to

936
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: David cut Cliffe where Devid Cutcliffe talked about he wanted

937
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in middle He called it middle field their hands,

938
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: meaning when you play shortstop in second base, you always

939
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 1: have to be able to make these transactions in terms

940
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: of turning to and scooping and flipping and all this

941
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: other stuff. So it allows you to do a bunch

942
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: of different things without looking at the ball, hitting your hands.

943
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,280
Speaker 1: And then Zach Wilson being in a cop his basketball player.

944
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: We've talked to Clay Hilton and others about. I mean,

945
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll has always talked about basketball envision and being

946
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 1: able to see it and being able to process and

947
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: do all those things. And so I don't think it

948
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: is a coincidence that when we look at the top

949
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: quarterbacks um in the National Football League that they have

950
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: other sports as part of their background. Pat Mahomes, Russell

951
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: Wilson being baseball players, some of the other guys being

952
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,760
Speaker 1: big time players and other sports. I think it matters,

953
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: and I would like a quarterback that has done more

954
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: than just play seven or seven quarterback his entire upbringing. Well,

955
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's important, man, I think

956
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: it is good. And um, you know, Wilson was a

957
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: really good basketball player, so we talked to his basketball

958
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,919
Speaker 1: coach for this upcoming three six to you guys will

959
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: enjoy that. Ironically, I think Lawrence, I think Trevor only

960
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: played football. I think he played some soccer background going

961
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: he did. He did when when we talked to his parents,

962
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: his parents talked about how he did other things growing

963
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: up and he was great at it. So I mean,

964
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: I think that's the thing. Um, being able to be

965
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: exposed to so many different things, not only different techniques

966
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: and um how it changed. It impacts different parts of

967
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: your body. You develop different levels of athleticism, but different coaching. Um,

968
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 1: just expanding your horizons beyond just football. I think I

969
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: think it matters. By the way, last thing, because we've

970
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: we've gone full circle. We've gone a little bit long,

971
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: longer than we were planning on. But um, I go

972
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: to my first pottery game and over a year. Uh

973
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: so it was last Friday, last Friday night, go to

974
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,240
Speaker 1: the game. So I've got a buddy in the personnel department,

975
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: so I was texting him and just hey, you're excited

976
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: to be back in the ball yard. Um. So he

977
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: comes and grabs me in the seventh inning and takes

978
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: me up to the general managers booth up there with

979
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: a J. Prelor And so I sat up there with

980
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: a J. Pelor for about an inning and a half

981
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: and were He's a big New York Giants fans. We

982
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: were talking about the draft, and then we started talking

983
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: about quarterbacks and we're talking about tattoos and his athleticism

984
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: and what you for middle infielders based off kind of

985
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: he was just talking about how we're talking about how

986
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: important the quick hands are, and he was, you know,

987
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,240
Speaker 1: I was learning. You know, I was kind of selfish.

988
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 1: It's great. I'm a big Pottery fan to be up

989
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: there with him talking about their team. But one of

990
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: the things he said for a shortstop was even more

991
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: important than your athleticism and your arm is your body control.

992
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: And he was talking all about how guys almost can

993
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: be too fast at shortstop because you want to be

994
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: a little bit more under control, always on balance, and

995
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, that's a good quarterback takeaway too

996
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: from you know, we've heard the football guys used the

997
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: baseball comparison. Here's the baseball guy, and I'm like, oh,

998
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 1: you know what that is? Something about always being able

999
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: to be kind of under control and control your body.

1000
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: If that was interesting, Yeah, it is interesting. DJ. I

1001
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: think I think this is funny, right because we are

1002
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: football scouts and we have friendship with those who are

1003
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: in other sports. But I think at the end of

1004
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: the day, I think scouts can be dropped in any

1005
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: arena and they can evaluate talent because I think there's

1006
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 1: a lot of cross referencing when it comes to Yeah,

1007
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: when it comes to look what you're looking for, and

1008
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: you talk about body control and athleticism, particularly in the

1009
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: middle infield and doing those things, how it relates there,

1010
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: I'll talk about looking at dbs and how the first

1011
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 1: thing I do is I go to that background, their bio,

1012
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: and I'm looking for guys that have played baseball because

1013
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: of depth perception of being able to judge the ball

1014
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: then doing those things, because all I told you, I've

1015
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: always wanted safeties that have played baseball because I know,

1016
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: not only from a rain standpoint, but being able to

1017
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: judge the ball I just find it interesting how everything

1018
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: is so intertwined even though we live in these different,

1019
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 1: these different worlds when it comes to evaluate. All right,

1020
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: this is a fun episode rhet. We appreciate you hopping

1021
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 1: back on, and it's great to be with you. We'll

1022
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 1: have it. Yeah, we'll be back with the Path Path

1023
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: every day six Eastern, I believe correct Eastern. Find it

1024
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: on NFL network. Whet does a wonderful job hosting the show. Um, Bucky, myself,

1025
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: a host of characters. I actually do like ready does

1026
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: a good job. But fuck Buck. Last story. Then we'll leave,

1027
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 1: but just to brag on Red for a second. So

1028
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 1: we're at one of these pro days. Oh is the

1029
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: big pro day where the where the trades happened. So

1030
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: he's got he's got he's got Zack Wilson on one

1031
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: TV right that the Niners trade happens. So they trade up.

1032
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:18,320
Speaker 1: So we're talking about the Niners trade. He's watching the monitor.

1033
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: Was Zack Wilson, you know, so kind of juggling those

1034
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: two things. I look, I got my computer open and

1035
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: I see the Eagles website tweet that they have just

1036
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: traded uh with with to go back from six to

1037
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: twelve So he's got one trade, Zach Wilson, and I'm

1038
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: on my laptop seeing another trade. So while he's talking,

1039
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 1: I turned my laptop. You know, you're all the way

1040
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: across the table because of social distancing, I like slide

1041
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: my laptop across the table so he can read it

1042
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 1: that it's the verified Philadelphia Eagles account saying this trade,

1043
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: and son of a gun never stuttered or anything, and

1044
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 1: he just kind of he swallowed all that information and

1045
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: then boom, he announces that trade on the air. It

1046
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 1: was really impressive. I give it. I have fun. I mean,

1047
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: how many years in a business, right? I need to,

1048
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: like fifteen years in business? Okay, So let me take

1049
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: you guys behind the curtain. So I'm watching the Pro

1050
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: Day coverage of you guys on the screen. I have

1051
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: just about completed the notebook and I am doing Who

1052
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 1: is Zach Wilson is my header for the notebook. So

1053
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: I'm about four paragraphs in. I am just waiting for

1054
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: the conclusion of the Pro Day workout to cap it off.

1055
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: That trade comes down. The trade comes down. I get

1056
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: a call from NFL media like are being finished, Like

1057
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: we want to talk about the Niners, And I said yeah,

1058
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: but I got all this stuff on Zack Wilson and

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