Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating Wild Broke.
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Colleen, and today we have very special guests,
Speaker 1: aviation entrepreneur, first ever in the building. Ever in the
Speaker 1: history of Eating While Broke? Have you had an entrepreneur
Speaker 1: of aviation? The CEO and founder of Arrows Corporation is
Speaker 1: in the building. Yes, yes, just a little backstory. I
Speaker 1: just happened to be at Igor's house, which was absolutely beautiful.
Speaker 1: You were kind enough to let me tour and invade
Speaker 1: your space a little bit. But just hearing that you
Speaker 1: design airships is you don't come across that every day. So, guys,
Speaker 1: just so you know, all I was there was like, hey,
Speaker 1: what do you think about being on a show where
Speaker 1: we talk about your humble beginnings? And Igor was like,
Speaker 1: I'm a little crazy, and I was like, crazy changes
Speaker 1: the world? World? Yeah, or more Chris, Yeah, I believe
Speaker 1: it changes the world. So I said, what would you
Speaker 1: have me eating if you were to come on Eating
Speaker 1: While Broke? And what are you gonna have me eat today?
Speaker 2: They were eating waste, no restaurants, roads.
Speaker 1: Okay, so what was that?
Speaker 2: It's beautiful, beautiful, unbelievable and beautiful.
Speaker 1: Top Rammer top ramen, and then what else does you
Speaker 1: have us eating?
Speaker 2: Oh no, this is not the food. It's the life saving.
Speaker 1: It's life saving.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you ready to live this life because you're hungry.
Speaker 2: It's called you safe, your wife.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is it our boiled eggs? You gotta cook
Speaker 1: them first. Yeah, so we're gonna have harboiled eggs, guys
Speaker 1: and some ramen. Go ahead. Igor says he never really cooks.
Speaker 1: We now have it on camera that you will be cooking.
Speaker 2: Okay, I always cook.
Speaker 1: Oh, you always cook.
Speaker 2: Of course. Look in reality, right when you're hungry, you're hungry,
Speaker 2: and you're always looking for efficiency in this life. Nothing
Speaker 2: can be more efficient than roman and eggs because you
Speaker 2: can cook and the same time think about something else,
Speaker 2: like your next trip to restaurant.
Speaker 1: Yes, et restaurant.
Speaker 2: Okay, the secret is my secret, but don't tell to anyone.
Speaker 2: You need gently.
Speaker 1: You gotta boil the water personal.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, to boil the water they need fish.
Speaker 1: Just turn both those knobs the other way. Yep, the
Speaker 1: other way. Yeah, yet there, and then do the other
Speaker 1: one because you're boiling. You're boiling both, right.
Speaker 2: Not necessary today to do some experimentation cooking experiment. Okay.
Speaker 1: For some strange reason, I'm nervous about your cooking because
Speaker 1: when we first met, you were like, I don't.
Speaker 2: Cook really cooked sixty one and still wie.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, come on, come on ahead.
Speaker 2: Cook Yeah, yeah, it's supposed to be start start boiling.
Speaker 1: And then what about the hardboiled egs? Do you put.
Speaker 2: The agreed to do some experiments?
Speaker 1: Oh, you're okay, then some Okay, we're gonna see all right,
Speaker 1: do you want to turn off that other part or
Speaker 1: do you want to keep it running? You want to
Speaker 1: turn it off? Yeah, that's that's done. Yep, Okay, we're
Speaker 1: gonna watch it. I think I know what is gonna do.
Speaker 1: By the way, did I say your name? Pastornik? Is
Speaker 1: the I didn't even say your name? Did I?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: I did? Okay, okay, So igor take me back to
Speaker 1: what was going on in the times where you were
Speaker 1: eating this on a more regular basis.
Speaker 2: So he did some more regular really, yes, of course.
Speaker 1: Okay. Take me back to humble times.
Speaker 2: Humble times and still humble, yes, humble times.
Speaker 1: So it's very when times were a little financially strained.
Speaker 2: When you're running small business, yeah, small business, you're always
Speaker 2: financially strength with the issues or problem or happiness. You
Speaker 2: achieve one goal, you already got another goal. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: next goal always bigger than previous one, and next goal
Speaker 2: taking more money. You never become this feeling of financial independency. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because this every project, you just become addictives to the challenge. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now do you think that's more of a life of
Speaker 1: an entrepreneur or do you think people that have nine
Speaker 1: to five's go through that battle.
Speaker 2: Nine you never know what it's right nine to fine
Speaker 2: or they were trying to change the world, or you
Speaker 2: will be know to a second before we die. But unfortunately
Speaker 2: in this moment we cannot talk anymore. You keep the
Speaker 2: secret with us. I think in reality, everyone going through this, Yeah,
Speaker 2: because everyone especially following the American dream or a bigger Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's the probably honor to be American. It's you're trying
Speaker 2: to achieve something more and more for your family, for
Speaker 2: your dream, for yourself, for your friends, and this kind
Speaker 2: of NonStop process because if you stop, we become different.
Speaker 2: You're not longer mankind to become human being. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: everyone's struggling with this. Is you show to me one
Speaker 2: billionaire who will be saying she's okay, it's not true.
Speaker 1: Have you read the book The Psychology of Money?
Speaker 2: No, I never read books.
Speaker 1: You don't. You don't read you're an engineer, and they're
Speaker 1: not really no.
Speaker 2: Very simple and not really books because books as soon
Speaker 2: as the people's opinion, and I got to do everything
Speaker 2: my own opinion.
Speaker 1: Okay, oh, I never thought of it like that. But then,
Speaker 1: but okay, you're an engineer, right. Engineers build off of
Speaker 1: what other people have, kind of trial and error.
Speaker 2: Right, it's probably it's different engineers, right, Okay, different engineers
Speaker 2: probably when what we're doing, I'll consider everyone bodyline between
Speaker 2: science and engineering.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: From one sign, it's more kind of applies science and
Speaker 2: in some way because signs a lot to you to
Speaker 2: operating the real data and saying what I can do
Speaker 2: today what yesterday was impossible. Yes, because I become not
Speaker 2: more smarter, I become more dealing this data. I realize
Speaker 2: something new on this data. Basically, it's the science.
Speaker 1: Yes, when you've.
Speaker 2: Got the data, you observe the data, your knowledge, and
Speaker 2: you find the pattern in this data.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: The engineering portion, it's when you're thinking, okay, now I
Speaker 2: can do something, not just better as device, Right, is
Speaker 2: I can do in principle new device? What can be
Speaker 2: changed something based on this data? You're training your brain
Speaker 2: in some way, right, it's what is uniqueness? Be on
Speaker 2: the borderline, because on the same side you're doing experimental
Speaker 2: in your head. What is engineering? Wine, because much more progressive,
Speaker 2: but again it's more apply science from engineering.
Speaker 1: You just come closer and speak into this mic just
Speaker 1: a little bit, yes, yes, okay, I am closer, a
Speaker 1: little bit closer.
Speaker 2: This morn.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I want you to like less than this much
Speaker 1: away all right? Yeah, sorry, you fascinating me.
Speaker 2: About what for all of it? All of it? Okay.
Speaker 1: I like the way you explain engineering versus the science
Speaker 1: and the engineering and how it all comes together.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, the old ambitions, right, our ambitions when the young,
Speaker 2: the more ambitions when we are sixteen years old. We
Speaker 2: believe it. Our parents, our relatives, especially our clothes relatives
Speaker 2: who much older than they are.
Speaker 1: They wrong, they're wrong.
Speaker 2: They're wrong. Of course we got to move you know
Speaker 2: the world much better. Yeah, yes, especially correct to my
Speaker 2: life experience. Girls starting about twelve years Asian boys about
Speaker 2: a little bit better. They about fifteen. Yeah, but they
Speaker 2: all know the parents wrong in the view of the world,
Speaker 2: and they always yeah, okay, now we're moving next step right,
Speaker 2: reach about eighteen geen and this moment we believe and
Speaker 2: we can change the world because world built wrong and
Speaker 2: they need to only are capable to make world better place.
Speaker 2: And as the growing up and the gaining life experience,
Speaker 2: the realizing it's not about in this world, it's not
Speaker 2: so much about you as revolutionary changing. It's about to
Speaker 2: leave the world better place than you leave. Then you
Speaker 2: come and this point, your ambitionance is built around this.
Speaker 2: You don't have any more ambitions on the base your
Speaker 2: parents stupid. You don't have any more ambitions. Everything in
Speaker 2: the world is wrong and everything needs to be changed.
Speaker 2: You're realizing the beauty of the world. You're realizing the
Speaker 2: beauty of the light. And you're just trying to use
Speaker 2: your talent to make better place for your family, for
Speaker 2: your unity, for your city, for engineers to come in
Speaker 2: with something that make life of the people. But it's
Speaker 2: always something motivating us. This is what is saying is
Speaker 2: difference between mankind and human being. And it's not about
Speaker 2: nine to six jobs or for twenty four hours and
Speaker 2: be world. Yeah, yeah, it's everyone motivating. Same. Yeah, just
Speaker 2: some people stupid like me, they decide the hard ways,
Speaker 2: and people more smart we decide to go more normally.
Speaker 1: Yes, Hold on one second.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see this device is not working.
Speaker 1: You turned off the stove. Hold on, hold on?
Speaker 2: Okay, there, I was planning to ask for school driver.
Speaker 1: And change change and to fix it, do your engineer hack.
Speaker 1: So take me back. You're born in the Ukraine, in
Speaker 1: Soviet Union, in Soviet Union. Okay, Now where did the
Speaker 1: bug for aerosh or aviation come into play?
Speaker 2: It's probably need to step away. What the Soviet Union
Speaker 2: was back there in sixties sixty seventies, right, it's about
Speaker 2: three hundred years ago. There was this was very special
Speaker 2: country had to say special. But let's assume this words
Speaker 2: special and in some way unique.
Speaker 1: Unique, Yeah, unique and noting.
Speaker 2: They go to why notice words of uniqueness and the
Speaker 2: idea of the do something was very limited, right, because
Speaker 2: it's a communist system. It's basically you as individual, you're
Speaker 2: not thinking about money. Money not exist. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 2: because it's only what this exists. As kids watching the
Speaker 2: movie Soviet movie, is you are changing something for a
Speaker 2: better the country? Yes, because it's known as the option,
Speaker 2: the attorney it's not good. The doctors it's okay, but
Speaker 2: not really good. And then in this for people like
Speaker 2: me who has got born with some kind of logical
Speaker 2: structure thinking and Sinata war was born mentally sick. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was not as a way outside of engineering, because
Speaker 2: engineering it was what did you feel? It was not?
Speaker 2: There was no options? Why aviation? I don't know. It
Speaker 2: was probably five years old, and I just said it
Speaker 2: will be aviation because it was fun.
Speaker 1: Because it was fun. Did you just have a fascination
Speaker 1: with airplanes? I think war balloons or helium.
Speaker 2: No, it started to use airplanes of course, okay, because
Speaker 2: you don't see any balloons. Yeah there, but probably because
Speaker 2: this way. Yeah, I already mentioned mentally sick. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: what is I was decided to so you be pilot,
Speaker 2: and I decided to be aviation.
Speaker 1: Engineer okay, okay, versus a pilot, versus a pilot. So
Speaker 1: how do your parents take the news that you want
Speaker 1: to get into building airplanes?
Speaker 2: Probably some way as they take the news when my
Speaker 2: five years old, Some tell me you want to be
Speaker 2: president of the United States.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, okay. So they were very positive about it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, five years old.
Speaker 1: Yea, yeah, yeah, but then when you start to pursue it,
Speaker 1: how did they take it?
Speaker 2: From beginning it was okay. In some point it was
Speaker 2: a little bit not okay because it was there was
Speaker 2: no companies were going to work right, This was more
Speaker 2: hobby line. No one was building airship, insuit union, no
Speaker 2: one design union. And of course there was worried. I'lbeit
Speaker 2: to some kind of dreamers of course, or probably saying
Speaker 2: there's a lot of fantasy in my head because they
Speaker 2: was worried. But eventually not let them any choices.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just had to accept it. Yeah, yeah, now
Speaker 1: you faced. I read online that you okay, go ahead,
Speaker 1: cook for a moment.
Speaker 2: You need to make sure we removed everything from the
Speaker 2: Sometimes they put special packages plas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they put a little seasoning pack in there. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Profession okay, now yeah, just watch me the tree.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna watch. I'm gonna watch okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you see how professionally make hands moving.
Speaker 1: Okay, I see.
Speaker 2: It's years and toms and toms. That's product. Okay, Now gently.
Speaker 1: Success, are you cooking one or two package? Cook too?
Speaker 2: Yeah? You're right, two of us?
Speaker 1: No long yeah, you need to have something for dinner
Speaker 1: to exactly.
Speaker 2: I understand. Oh how these buildings is especially especially pick
Speaker 2: up these packages for me to straggle.
Speaker 1: Yes, you are really struggling with this.
Speaker 2: Are you cheating me? It's required all effort.
Speaker 1: I know you don't make this on a regular Let
Speaker 1: me help you. It's gonna fly everywhere.
Speaker 2: There just using some devices. It's helping the process. By
Speaker 2: the way. Eight and again the most important remove all
Speaker 2: moon cooking parts because they don't just mistaken many times.
Speaker 1: Oh with the packet, you're hilarious.
Speaker 2: Well not me. They just put and there's no warn, acknowledged, nothing.
Speaker 1: Okay, there you got your little package out the way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the same it's awesome.
Speaker 1: No, I need some device right there, yep, use that,
Speaker 1: that's fine, that's fine.
Speaker 2: Something my practice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because when it gets soft, they'll move around through it. Okay.
Speaker 1: I heard I had read online that early on in
Speaker 1: your studies you faced discrimination for being Jewish. Is that true?
Speaker 2: Look back to church union to be jew This was
Speaker 2: not the most popular line. Yeah, but here's the probably
Speaker 2: The point is it's nothing to do with religion. Yeah,
Speaker 2: to be Jewish your bloodline, Yes, it's it was got
Speaker 2: domestic id and kind of domestic pastor. And this was
Speaker 2: line five, what was called nationality. But it's not nationality
Speaker 2: in the way of your citizenship emotionality.
Speaker 1: It's your bloodline, yeah, your DNA, Yeah, yeah, it's and
Speaker 1: it's was.
Speaker 2: Saying and I was saying Juan as people saying Russian
Speaker 2: or Ukrainian. Yes. And for some reason, actually we can
Speaker 2: talk for a long time where jew was not very
Speaker 2: popular in Soviet Union, especially after after Jews started immigrating
Speaker 2: to Israel from the Soviet Union the United States. And
Speaker 2: basically the idea was logical trested logical right, because the
Speaker 2: approach was, okay, if Ju going atviation university and country
Speaker 2: will teach him, he will be exposed to all secrets.
Speaker 2: So the sign and after this goodbye, you can find
Speaker 2: him on Israel in the I mean it was and
Speaker 2: of course Soviet was got anti Semitic policy government, the
Speaker 2: government and not talking about on everyday life. It's always
Speaker 2: wasn't the simitis wasn't present starting from a long time ago.
Speaker 2: It was there, but from the government point, it was
Speaker 2: restriction for Jew which university you can go and which
Speaker 2: position you can obtain and blah, blah blah, a member
Speaker 2: of the party, not a member of the party. And
Speaker 2: it's a lot of this.
Speaker 1: So how do you handle that when you're going to
Speaker 1: into aviation where you need a lot of schooling.
Speaker 2: I was never able to attend aviation. But in my
Speaker 2: seating leave in Ukraine where I grow up was wonderful
Speaker 2: library and it was my education and I was all
Speaker 2: my life. I very lucky. I meet wonderful people. In
Speaker 2: some point when I was probably teenager, A meet people
Speaker 2: who was working in one of the vs large company
Speaker 2: in Soviet Union who built big airplanes, and they was
Speaker 2: got volunteer like volunteer design bureau. They was designing a
Speaker 2: receipts and three times from work there was classical engineers. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's as much you can be engineered.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the one of the guys is no longer with us.
Speaker 2: His name was Alex Blankio. He wrote some article on
Speaker 2: kids technical magazine. In this article or something letter he
Speaker 2: responded and from there every sing begin.
Speaker 1: And so did you start working for the company once
Speaker 1: he's he responded.
Speaker 2: Or no, it was no company. It was was hobby, okay,
Speaker 2: hobby for him, for his colleagues and for me, I
Speaker 2: was this kid who was literally believed, this will be
Speaker 2: my profession. Yeah, through my career.
Speaker 1: She respawned, and it was so what happens when he responds?
Speaker 1: Do you go work for him? Do you intern? Do
Speaker 1: you hang out with him?
Speaker 2: Do you know it's just starts writing technical letter to
Speaker 2: each other. He wasn't ky if I wasn't. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: it's not you remember about the ex.
Speaker 1: Experiment?
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, don't blame me late to.
Speaker 1: The Okay, all right? So he popped egg into the ramen,
Speaker 1: got it.
Speaker 2: Brooking? It was not mindful anyway.
Speaker 1: Do you have to mix it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, before it's become.
Speaker 1: Before it becomes a pie. Okay, okay, and then when
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try and stay out of it. But do
Speaker 1: you have to season it? Or you got to drop
Speaker 1: the seasoning in there? Man, I'm helping you. Man, We've
Speaker 1: all got to eat this.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's secret.
Speaker 1: So as what point do you move to New York?
Speaker 1: Because New York the first place you leave or where's
Speaker 1: the first place you leave to go to in America?
Speaker 2: New York, New York is supposed to be like everyone
Speaker 2: change has become. Garbagioe was a really huge figure in
Speaker 2: this life. He changed a lot of stuff. Francis was
Speaker 2: a very nick moment when Soviets was got Garbachioe and
Speaker 2: in America was Reagan. It was two absolutely outstanding tuberments,
Speaker 2: right and start Pedistroica. In Sweet Union, we start more
Speaker 2: able to create our private company to the airships and
Speaker 2: do the airships and everything was developed. Swears Union collapse
Speaker 2: become not the easy time on Sweet Union collapse because
Speaker 2: the parts we was buying through all the countryan collabs.
Speaker 2: Now economical lateness and supply chain, it's all become distructive.
Speaker 2: And in ninety one was before official s Virginian collapse,
Speaker 2: the Kijibi, the Communists was trying to take over the
Speaker 2: country and at this moment it was start clearly understanding
Speaker 2: they can come back.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it was very simple outside of everything, not acceptance
Speaker 2: of the Soviet system and believing it's really people. It's
Speaker 2: basically believing in this idea. There was not so many
Speaker 2: places and it was really understand me and my colleagues.
Speaker 2: We was clearly understanding at this moment nothing to do there, yeah,
Speaker 2: not because we cannot proceed our dream building the best airship.
Speaker 2: And the same time this evil can come back. And
Speaker 2: we see it's come back in Russia, right, yeah, you
Speaker 2: see the artist startled probably in search Union. We was
Speaker 2: never thinking about this possible. Yeah, and from this point,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, I forgot to mention. In late actually late eighties,
Speaker 2: me and my family and with my parents, my wonderful
Speaker 2: was and my sister, we received the the refuge status
Speaker 2: from United status was able to immigrate to the United States.
Speaker 2: When Perestroica begin and Hope begin, it was hey, it's
Speaker 2: better to stay where you are, right yeah, because you
Speaker 2: could believe it the place where you are that the
Speaker 2: hope become let's say normal place.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And of course in ninety one when it's happening, it
Speaker 2: was pure message, that's it, nothing to do there, okay,
Speaker 2: And I walk to my father, told him that's it.
Speaker 2: They can come back, trying to pack they left before
Speaker 2: me and I arrived in the United State in ninety three.
Speaker 1: And how old were you?
Speaker 2: I was pretty old, okay, I was twenty nine.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, let's stop fairly young, but yeah, yeah, compare years.
Speaker 2: Now young, yeah yah, but back then I was pretty
Speaker 2: anyway ollow trying to confuse me.
Speaker 1: No, I'm shying, you know what you're probably burning down up. Okay,
Speaker 1: I should have left the overhead camera on, man, so
Speaker 1: I could see what you're doing. Do you need to
Speaker 1: add some water to it? It looks like you some help.
Speaker 1: Come on, I'll help you out.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: We're eating some egg and heavily seasoned ramen. You need
Speaker 1: this water, at least a little bit of it. Let's
Speaker 1: use this before No, I think you could stir it
Speaker 1: up and feed us.
Speaker 2: Okay, are ready?
Speaker 1: Let's see does the egg cooked? Does your theory work? Sorry,
Speaker 1: all right, don't feed me. I'm gonna eat it. I'm hungry.
Speaker 2: But how youth?
Speaker 1: I have good health insurance. That's crazy that this is
Speaker 1: the first time someone has ever asked me that. Okay,
Speaker 1: that looks good.
Speaker 2: I give you the best sport someone. Yeah, remember this
Speaker 2: next name?
Speaker 1: Yes, I will remember. This looks good.
Speaker 2: Listeners did best?
Speaker 1: I don't know. It looks good. It looks legit. The
Speaker 1: egg looks cooked.
Speaker 2: Listen, my teeth was growing this. They're still a wife.
Speaker 1: Let's try this.
Speaker 2: I'll whatever less will take this? Mean? Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, ready, yeah, let's take this. Please, little protective bodies,
Speaker 1: we know he cooked this egg right into the pot.
Speaker 1: Please protect it's name Braben. Mhm, what just it is fine? Wow,
Speaker 1: someone someone had to test.
Speaker 2: It had to be me.
Speaker 1: Huh. Honestly, you did pretty good. The noodles are heavily overcooked.
Speaker 1: You know what, I had no expectations for you. I'm
Speaker 1: just happy that you cooked, because I promise you. When
Speaker 1: I met you, you were like, I don't cook.
Speaker 2: It's perfect, it's fun. Yeah, it's the best piece.
Speaker 1: You can't mess up. Romen, It's impossible. Have you done
Speaker 1: it before? You're hilarious. No, that's so the first airship
Speaker 1: you designed, you end up I guess do you end
Speaker 1: up get advertising, ends up being your first client or
Speaker 1: like with the.
Speaker 2: In the Service Union, Yes, okay, in the United States, Yeah,
Speaker 2: because we ended eventually after New York, we ended in
Speaker 2: the Cuttle Air Force Base in central Tolifornia. We was
Speaker 2: lucky big. There was wonderful Governor Pete Wilson who invits
Speaker 2: and the base was on the closure in the protest
Speaker 2: of the closing. But from one point in this base
Speaker 2: was a bunch of the Russians speaking. Nothing was speaking.
Speaker 2: The Russians speaking was building the airship in one corner
Speaker 2: of the Hunger and another corner of the hunger was
Speaker 2: B fifty two EMPTYC one thirty five going through active
Speaker 2: duty flying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you did I know it said that you
Speaker 1: designed the air airship for the military, right can you?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Military, what you're trying to achieve? We build a
Speaker 2: lot of airship advertising for surveillance. Airstarts today the definitely
Speaker 2: the most successful company in the world in this area
Speaker 2: and a lot of styff. The only one, the only
Speaker 2: one company in the United States who achieved and produced
Speaker 2: type certified by a fairship. What type certifying by every airship,
Speaker 2: the only one on the second company in the world
Speaker 2: who actively producing type certifi airships. Basically they a lot
Speaker 2: of commercial flights airplanes. When you're going to flights, the
Speaker 2: same certification on blowing seventy seven or an hour.
Speaker 1: So your airships can do commercial flights, and I know
Speaker 1: it can do cargo, but it can't.
Speaker 2: But seven ceraplace. Yeah, airship is just pot work now,
Speaker 2: it's all about application, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The legis let's put this wing. Let's step away from
Speaker 2: airs if everything right, If you look at the world
Speaker 2: globally right now, they're very lucky. We saw the rise
Speaker 2: of internet is so the rise of the mobile communication.
Speaker 2: Now you're watching the rise of the artificial talents. Yea,
Speaker 2: what it's all about about freedom? Yes, Internet, when internet
Speaker 2: is to make information excestreme information available everywhere. Before we
Speaker 2: uys need to go to library for information. Now it's
Speaker 2: in your hands. You got everything in any book, any
Speaker 2: data well for you, doesn't matter where you are. Yes,
Speaker 2: you don't need to go and laborates infrastructure right same
Speaker 2: heading with mobile communication. Before we was going to need
Speaker 2: to send message. We always need to pick up the
Speaker 2: phone from what's connected with wires or fax machine, what's
Speaker 2: connected with wires.
Speaker 1: To infrastructure infrastructure.
Speaker 2: Right now we can communicate anywhere because of mobile communication. Yes,
Speaker 2: it's freedom without infrastructure or communication. Yes, but only left
Speaker 2: it only left for mankind our development, but only not
Speaker 2: change its transportation of the cargo, Yes, because we're still
Speaker 2: moving the fray same way as.
Speaker 1: Train car the traditional routes. But with your company, you
Speaker 1: don't do it that way, you guys.
Speaker 2: Because here's the point, right because limit your limitation. It's
Speaker 2: not in the truck, it's a freeway. Yeah, your limitation
Speaker 2: not in the airplane. It's where the airport. It's all
Speaker 2: the limitation infrastructure with if you can against say I
Speaker 2: can do the same for logistic what was done Internet
Speaker 2: for information, which yes, because I don't need a restructure.
Speaker 2: Now it's just as a skin equation the nature of
Speaker 2: vership because it's buoys, it's just floating without spending enters.
Speaker 2: But now it's how you make this device and the
Speaker 2: number of the technical challenges to make this device practical.
Speaker 2: One of them you don't need to You must be
Speaker 2: able not to learn to pick up in a float
Speaker 2: cargo because if you're coming to the ground, that's it ground.
Speaker 2: Your infrastruction using everything is one of them. Yes, another
Speaker 2: one of course, this kind of classical everyone was whole boons.
Speaker 2: Now let ballons go, it's goes no imagine if they
Speaker 2: bring the cargo, you'll drop the cargo. And what happened
Speaker 2: to ers is going up. Yes, we need to liam
Speaker 2: how control what is called buoyancy to make sure we're
Speaker 2: not going happ and we stay where we're supposed to
Speaker 2: be stayed. Yes, this was always major to problems. Why
Speaker 2: as today we're looking in the skuis there of course
Speaker 2: military federal government because they got the largest task. It's
Speaker 2: not protect the United States, it's mean resupply of the
Speaker 2: true sports projections and the same time, US military responsible
Speaker 2: for disaster relief around the world. It's when something happened
Speaker 2: in Haiti or Thailand, the fiscal coming, it's US military
Speaker 2: who providing disasters for them. It was natural equation to
Speaker 2: solve this logistical problem of the facing every day. Yes,
Speaker 2: and of course Department of Defense and starting from Dartwin
Speaker 2: with the special Agency who create the Internet and everything
Speaker 2: modern day, put the challenge. Yes, the challenge was can
Speaker 2: someone coming this system, this airship, what can control the points?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: It was competition, yes, but no, no one of our
Speaker 2: competitor has got any chance. That's impossible to learn discwel
Speaker 2: and federal government following with one program next program. They
Speaker 2: help us to build our prototypeical with massive participation and
Speaker 2: honestly is one of the uniques of our government of
Speaker 2: a government, federal government able to facilitate this kind of
Speaker 2: technological change.
Speaker 1: They put they had the initiative, so say let's invest
Speaker 1: in the in the future of where things can because that.
Speaker 2: Poet what I mentioned it was created during the president
Speaker 2: is not how and THEDEA of the Defense Advanced Research
Speaker 2: Progress Agency is when so it launched the Sputnik it's
Speaker 2: start alight and there was a big surprise in the
Speaker 2: United States, and basically in how I created that saying
Speaker 2: no more surprises technological.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 2: This agency ask you these challenges, So find the solution
Speaker 2: for unsolvable solutions. Yes, something, but no, everyone's saying no,
Speaker 2: it's impossible. Yes, and this agency saying, hey, no, you'll try.
Speaker 2: What of the stuff what they're doing, of course, and
Speaker 2: it and the trust can but it is absolutely normal
Speaker 2: and they will be not able to do the significant
Speaker 2: step forward looking internet or steals or GPS all this
Speaker 2: was caring from this agency, Yes, and it was lucky.
Speaker 2: Now be part of this story.
Speaker 1: Yes, now, but where you are today, you are revolutionizing
Speaker 1: the way packages are delivered now, correct, It is very good.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: The thing that I find most interesting about what you're
Speaker 1: doing is you're so far in advance to the future.
Speaker 1: For all you guys listening out there that haven't researched
Speaker 1: Errows Corporation essentially the same right now. When we order
Speaker 1: a package, it comes through truck trained boat with restrictions
Speaker 1: or lack of like you say, a lack of freedom.
Speaker 1: But because there's all these old school infrastructures in place,
Speaker 1: but with Errows Corporation, what they're able to do. And
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna put this in Layman's terms for non
Speaker 1: technical terms so you could correct me. From what I
Speaker 1: understand is you're able to deliver packages from your airship.
Speaker 1: I'm guessing like a via drone and it it air drops.
Speaker 1: That was like the best. I didn't want to. I'm
Speaker 1: so embarrassed to do it in front of you, but
Speaker 1: that's really exciting.
Speaker 2: Rate and simple. Right, It's all about freedom, yes, freedom
Speaker 2: of receiving the package, freedom of civil rights, freedom, right,
Speaker 2: it's all there. It's all about freedom and social or
Speaker 2: technical or economics. It's all about freedom. And as we
Speaker 2: were talking about cell phone, it's your freedom, it's your
Speaker 2: freedom from the virus exactly now today, right, the COVID
Speaker 2: nineteen was horrible dark time, yes, but this kind of
Speaker 2: time always producing some unique solutions, and COD nineteen produce them.
Speaker 2: Online shopping, yeah, yes, from the Amazon. Amazon become Amazon
Speaker 2: during the COVID nineteen because it's much more comfortable for
Speaker 2: us using the online shopping. It's much more effective, much
Speaker 2: more cheaper, and we got more freedom. We're not spending
Speaker 2: time to go to Walmart's story. Spent hours, we got
Speaker 2: more three times spent his family and exactly. Of course,
Speaker 2: it's all about logistics, right in the logistics. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: because we don't have logistics. It doesn't matter how many
Speaker 2: hours you spend on Amazon web page, the package will
Speaker 2: not arrive. Yes, of course we become different, We become
Speaker 2: less patient. We want to have stuff now, wars case
Speaker 2: in two hours from now. Yes, they're no longer willing
Speaker 2: to wait for other Roman.
Speaker 1: Rise exactly in one week.
Speaker 2: Yes, great. Ten years ago, the visionary Jeff Basil, he
Speaker 2: was clearly understand this and he was coming, Hey, here's
Speaker 2: the urban city, right, and how can delivery what people
Speaker 2: order in a couple of hours, Yes, let's a couple
Speaker 2: of hours and the city of drone.
Speaker 1: Oh he did come with the idea of drown.
Speaker 2: The idea, however, becoming to real life, right, And it's
Speaker 2: a yeah picture, it's picture and very simple. You cannot
Speaker 2: fly drown if you don't if remote pilots, pilot or
Speaker 2: the drone don't see the drone exactly, and of course
Speaker 2: on city is impossible. Yes, and it was become real issues.
Speaker 2: Why we don't see drown when we was, and again
Speaker 2: when it was coming to about a year ago, a
Speaker 2: little bit more concludingly saying, okay, we already build the
Speaker 2: best shipsyes. Next we can build another best Yes, but
Speaker 2: it's not fun anymore because you're already done.
Speaker 1: Yes, of course, because you're always moving the goal post, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you constantly feel hungry and poor exactly. The moment
Speaker 2: was you're not feel poor as life ended, and to
Speaker 2: continue to feel poor, we decide to create the industry.
Speaker 2: We have very she was, we're able to do everything. Industry.
Speaker 2: It's about address every human needs, starting with packages.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Now we're saying, okay, great, I grabbed the drone, I
Speaker 2: put on my airship and make my reship as flying
Speaker 2: the house.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now my drawing pick.
Speaker 2: Up the stuff from my airship and flying to your doorstep. Yes,
Speaker 2: and the pilot to the drawn located on airship. You
Speaker 2: always see the drone.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: Whatever. Okay? Is this safety everything okay?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: And you're addressing huge market. Yes, because when you start
Speaker 2: building industry, it's about economy and how much money your
Speaker 2: investor will make and how much money your clients will make. Yes,
Speaker 2: and signe to this economy of course, nothing biggest the
Speaker 2: logistic Yes, words logistics. It's not sexy words, yes, absolutely not,
Speaker 2: but in reality it's huge.
Speaker 1: Yes, we all rely on it. Yeah, it's it's the
Speaker 1: largest thing. Literally, everything we have relies on it.
Speaker 2: And I can to you delivery much cheaper and much lester, exactly.
Speaker 1: But now you see where the with everyone relying on deliveries,
Speaker 1: you already see how logistics is getting crammed up because
Speaker 1: they're trying to cut the cost of logistics, the cost
Speaker 1: to distribute the packages, but at the same time increase
Speaker 1: the speed of which it gets to the person. So
Speaker 1: now if you order a package on Amazon, not trying
Speaker 1: to throw shade at Amazon, but your package can say
Speaker 1: it's gonna arrive in a day, sometimes it's two to
Speaker 1: three days. Is no longer dependable, You can no longer
Speaker 1: depend on it anymore. But now you're This is why
Speaker 1: I said to you the night we met, when you
Speaker 1: said you were crazy, I was like, crazy changes the
Speaker 1: world because what you're able to do is say, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna think so grandiose that I'm gonna say I'm
Speaker 1: gonna use these arrowships that I designed or and we're
Speaker 1: gonna use it to address this solution. It straight reminds
Speaker 1: me of I don't know something so far the Jetsons,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like that far in the
Speaker 1: future obviously not because you're doing it now.
Speaker 2: So it's not because.
Speaker 1: So only deliver packages in California.
Speaker 2: We're doing what we're doing right again to boring stuff
Speaker 2: of logistic right or try to use you got Amazon
Speaker 2: when right? Who by the way, is very inefficient because
Speaker 2: one went delivered two hundred and fifty packages and required
Speaker 2: all day right, yeah, because of traffic, location of the
Speaker 2: houses outside, blah blah blah blah, we can do the
Speaker 2: same only four thousand packages and a couple of hours
Speaker 2: versus ten hours.
Speaker 1: Four thousand and a couple of hours.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's actually lessen a couple hours, much less. But
Speaker 2: because he has hairdship, he has drums and he's just
Speaker 2: flying delivery ups.
Speaker 1: And down and they delivered individual house.
Speaker 2: That's yes, absolutely absolutely this next for this we created
Speaker 2: she would call Ira e mail eight or six. It's
Speaker 2: small and airship everything small. It's huge, it's just four
Speaker 2: hundred feet long. Kids a small one unable to care
Speaker 2: for thousand packages. And we call this last mile because
Speaker 2: last miles, mean delivered it to your doorstep your business.
Speaker 2: The next one, how the stuff moved between the house
Speaker 2: to the house. Yeah, it's from very house to the store.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: This boarding term and logistic it's middle.
Speaker 1: Mile, meadow mile. Okay, I got it, middle mile.
Speaker 2: It's you need to move pallets. We all saw that
Speaker 2: semi trail tracks with care just five six pallets inside,
Speaker 2: but there's six so much space right now we're coming
Speaker 2: with this next model and of other airscraft electrical viable.
Speaker 2: Boy in er see it's sixty six store. It's able
Speaker 2: to move pallets. Wow.
Speaker 1: So wait, what was the one that delivers the pack was?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Metal mile? What was the last one?
Speaker 2: You said, last?
Speaker 1: Last mile? Meadle? Minds last But you've already accomplished last.
Speaker 2: Mile, and now the exploring the build already last mile, Ergy.
Speaker 2: Now the building has been thousand and thousands. Of the vehicles,
Speaker 2: the boat, not one, not too not three because I
Speaker 2: was saying it's boring to build again, Ergy, already done best.
Speaker 1: But now your aerowships and I'm again I've been digging
Speaker 1: doing research. But the aerowships are they kept at one
Speaker 1: thousand pounds per airship?
Speaker 2: No again for last mile on last miles four thousand
Speaker 2: packagees over ten.
Speaker 1: Thousand pounds, ten thousand pounds in the last it's eighteen
Speaker 1: thousand pounds eighteen towns.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because this way today the city of La Yes,
Speaker 2: and they got a bunch of the warehouses around the
Speaker 2: city because deliver it to your district, to your portion outside.
Speaker 2: You can know you need to be close to this
Speaker 2: because delivery across the seat. Everyone trade to drive in
Speaker 2: the traffic hours in the city. And we all understanding
Speaker 2: it's crazy. Yes, it does now, it's right, take a
Speaker 2: long time. Now I can have one biggery house, but
Speaker 2: a lot of small ones.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: And I'm just flying from this big way house with
Speaker 2: my achieve and the distance it's not big, it's it's
Speaker 2: twenty emails fly to max. But be moving all these trucks, wents,
Speaker 2: delivery wents in the street. Yes, and you're having fun.
Speaker 2: It's more secure because I'm going to drop your package
Speaker 2: in your backyard, yes or court yard.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: It's basically the people who are stealing the Amazon packages
Speaker 2: will be retired now they cannot steal. They can find
Speaker 2: different jobs more. It's more productive. I changed complete understanding.
Speaker 2: You don't need to wait you can order and receive.
Speaker 2: Now you ask the business, right you're ordering I don't
Speaker 2: know these microphones? Yes, now I can bring to you
Speaker 2: polots of these microphones now, yes, versus for you to
Speaker 2: wait and wait. Yes, you're making more money because you're
Speaker 2: waiting less, you're paying less for delivery. Yes, your client's
Speaker 2: more happy. You're coming back to everyone's happy.
Speaker 1: And that's what that was gonna be My next question.
Speaker 1: So now you invest all this money into the technology.
Speaker 1: This is where it gets mathematically. This is where I'm curious.
Speaker 1: How does it break down where it costs the client
Speaker 1: it saves the client money in is it in the
Speaker 1: long run or the short run?
Speaker 2: Immediately immediately.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to not use technical of course, go ahead,
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 1: Get passionate about it.
Speaker 2: Okay, think this way today. The cost what you're paying
Speaker 2: sometimes you're paying for this delivery of your package is
Speaker 2: handing payment. Amazon saying to you, for example, free delivery. No,
Speaker 2: it's not the free delivery.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, of.
Speaker 2: Course it's expensive delivery.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You can imagine how much really be couse delivery when
Speaker 2: one guy one went delivery only two hundred fifty packages. Yeah,
Speaker 2: very expensive. Yeah, plus and children's from the way and
Speaker 2: guess on the way. Yeah, working said blah blah, very
Speaker 2: expensive proposition, right, yeah, of course if you will get
Speaker 2: one big win deliveryus versus two hundred fifty packages, if
Speaker 2: you delivered five thousand packages versus one day every hour, Yeah,
Speaker 2: she has your money.
Speaker 1: Yes, I see it. So how do you grow a
Speaker 1: corporation like this? There's a like venture capital? Like, how
Speaker 1: does it? I'm confused, like I don't know, I genuinely
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: But they working in this life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, of course, how do you scale a company
Speaker 1: like yours?
Speaker 2: Money?
Speaker 1: Investment investment?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we, of course we are outside of the
Speaker 2: venture capital.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so how do you fund the company that's outside
Speaker 1: of venture capital?
Speaker 2: Very simple. There's a number of the ways. It's private
Speaker 2: institution of financing England, the large financial company providing investment.
Speaker 2: And of course it's family. It's what the beauty of the.
Speaker 1: Did you say family?
Speaker 2: Public?
Speaker 1: Public? Public? Because they spend all their money on the
Speaker 1: more hilarious did you say they spend all the money
Speaker 1: on the aeroship of course?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah it's the Wall Street right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: The corporation is publicly traded not yet not yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: the personal.
Speaker 2: Visit our web page w w aerosct dot com. Were
Speaker 2: it now, it's called the Security Change Commission. It's called
Speaker 2: test the water. We basically it's no obligated. We're looking
Speaker 2: at how many people willing to buy our stacks if
Speaker 2: you become public? Okay, some kind of register, it's not obligated.
Speaker 2: When people just express the interest.
Speaker 1: Oh where do they go to do that?
Speaker 2: But to our web page. It's again w w irs
Speaker 2: craft A E R O s craft dot com and
Speaker 2: the one tap registered. Now it sounds when you got
Speaker 2: all our story, what will happening? And you can register
Speaker 2: as potential either going public.
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm going to be I'm going to be on
Speaker 1: that list.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're going to watch make sure you I have
Speaker 2: to be on the list.
Speaker 1: You're the future, No, the future?
Speaker 2: What is now?
Speaker 1: You are now?
Speaker 2: Exactly? Yes? Yeah no, but this is the beauty in
Speaker 2: eating when they grab the future.
Speaker 1: And put now, Yeah, the future is now with you,
Speaker 1: The future is now.
Speaker 2: No, I am just one of them. You want to
Speaker 2: including people nine by the way, yes, because all them
Speaker 2: it's not happening.
Speaker 1: And then just for you guys, is gonna You're gonna
Speaker 1: allow us to come to to the hangar and check
Speaker 1: it out. And then do you have an actual pilot
Speaker 1: that sits in the aircraft?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh so there is somebody up there there or is
Speaker 1: there like a million people in the aircraft? Fire?
Speaker 2: Again depends on the model. Yes, the Cargege pilots in
Speaker 2: the airplane, because if you want to fly over to
Speaker 2: the Sieges, yeah, of course you need to have pilots.
Speaker 1: And then when you this is random, this is like
Speaker 1: an ignorant question. But if you ever have to fly somewhere, yeah,
Speaker 1: do you ever just say.
Speaker 2: Yes, my here's the only one solo flight was kept
Speaker 2: him in Chine in ninety five for ninety six because
Speaker 2: of anyway, they was very poor. We built some airsive
Speaker 2: couple of years ago, middle of the nightighties and the
Speaker 2: pilot who was supposed to be coming to China and
Speaker 2: the ship for some reason, she was finding a good
Speaker 2: looking girl and he not arrived, and I got my people.
Speaker 2: I never flyers before, and I tell touchiness, I'm the pilot.
Speaker 2: I arrived in China and they're saying, there's your license.
Speaker 2: I think they don't have license, but I'm the pilot
Speaker 2: and they just showed to me on the one guy
Speaker 2: who's thinking in the corner with white helmet with big
Speaker 2: red star on the helmet. Think it's your co pile
Speaker 2: And look on the I never knew before. And I
Speaker 2: look on this guy and I was just want to
Speaker 2: ask so many kids he has? And can I have
Speaker 2: the phone number of his wife? Because probability of him
Speaker 2: be alive after my flight? Who knows? And I try
Speaker 2: to convince Chinese I am experienced, I know what I'm doing.
Speaker 2: They always need to fly alone in the second, No
Speaker 2: way it's gonna China and never alone. To the former
Speaker 2: flying alone Chinese airspace, I tell them I'm okay, I'm
Speaker 2: from such union. I'm really communist. After Tory minus discussion side,
Speaker 2: after this probably three four hours discussion, this bigin I
Speaker 2: receive approval and I am proud to fears and proba
Speaker 2: or alone in Chinese airspace.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. All right, I can't believe that story.
Speaker 1: All right, thank you Egor for cooking for me and
Speaker 1: spending time with me. I hope you had a good time, absolutely, and.
Speaker 2: Yeah you and your little bit, but.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be able to come out and check out
Speaker 1: your digs okay, cool, and I want to go. Can
Speaker 1: am I able to go inside the airship for real?
Speaker 1: And then the is the outside delicate? I will see Okay,
Speaker 1: I have so many questions. I did a lot of research,
Speaker 1: so I'm very excited and I hope to I will
Speaker 1: see packages being delivered to my home, bea drone, and
Speaker 1: I will never forget this moment. It's every single ying. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: Thank you guys for tuning in, and be sure to
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