WEBVTT - Season 09 Episode 11: The Grey Zone

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, It's Richard mcclinsmith here with a couple of announcements.

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<v Speaker 1>You can also find all the links on my website

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<v Speaker 1>at Unexplained podcast dot com. Forward Slash events, The small

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<v Speaker 1>room was filled with a shocked silence. The audience were

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<v Speaker 1>gathered in the back room of an inn for the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenty five annual General Meeting of the Cairn Gorm

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<v Speaker 1>Club in the Scottish Highlands to listen to tales of

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<v Speaker 1>new hikes and climbs in the Cairn Gorm Mountains. But

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<v Speaker 1>they were not expecting to hear a story like this.

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<v Speaker 1>The speaker was Professor John Norman Collie, an experienced mountaineer

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<v Speaker 1>and man of science. Everyone listened intently, some open mouthed,

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<v Speaker 1>as Colligue spoke of his memories from a fateful day

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<v Speaker 1>decades earlier. While hiking on Ben mcdowey, a thick mist

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<v Speaker 1>had suddenly enveloped Collie in it. He experienced something so

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<v Speaker 1>terrifying that he hadn't spoken a word about it for

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<v Speaker 1>thirty five years Collie described how, after reaching the large

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<v Speaker 1>stone cairn that marked the mountain's summit, he was cautiously

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<v Speaker 1>navigating his way back down the path when the mist ascended,

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<v Speaker 1>Swirling thickly by turns, it revealed, then swallowed up the

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<v Speaker 1>dark gray, almost monsterlike shapes of rocky outcrops. With no

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<v Speaker 1>visual cues to guide him other than the thin line

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<v Speaker 1>of rocky path beneath his feet and its compass bearing,

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<v Speaker 1>Collie proceeded slowly. Taking a wrong turn could send him

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<v Speaker 1>towards one of the precipitous cliffs that flanked the peak.

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<v Speaker 1>The crunching of his boots on the trail was the

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<v Speaker 1>only sound to be heard. Then, Collie said, he began

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<v Speaker 1>to think he could hear something besides his own booted feet.

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<v Speaker 1>For every few steps he took, he thought that he

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<v Speaker 1>heard another set of feet making that crunching sound behind him,

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<v Speaker 1>almost like an eerie echo, except that someone or something

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<v Speaker 1>was taking only one giant stride for every three or

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<v Speaker 1>four of his own. Summoning the most rational part of

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<v Speaker 1>his scientist's mind, Collie told himself it was nonsense, he'd

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<v Speaker 1>just imagined it. But to be sure, he then stopped

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<v Speaker 1>and listened. Then he heard the sound once again, then again.

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<v Speaker 1>The timing suggested a very large stride, which paused as

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<v Speaker 1>if waiting for Collie's next move. Trying to pull himself together,

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<v Speaker 1>Professor Colly resumed walking and once more came that eerie crunch, crunch, crunch,

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<v Speaker 1>coming from behind him. This time all reasoning left the

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<v Speaker 1>normally rational Collie seized with terror. As he described it

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<v Speaker 1>to his audience, he started to run, staggering and stumbling

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<v Speaker 1>over the rocky ground as fast as he could for

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<v Speaker 1>almost five miles. He continued on, bumping and ricocheting between

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<v Speaker 1>the boulders that flanked the trail until he finally reached

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<v Speaker 1>the comparative safety of the rothy Murker's forest below. Concluding

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<v Speaker 1>his story, Professor Colly told his stunned audience to make

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<v Speaker 1>of it what they would. All he could say was

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<v Speaker 1>that there was something very strange about the top of

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<v Speaker 1>Ben mcdowey, something that had so frightened him that he

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<v Speaker 1>would never go back there again. You're listening to Unexplained

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm Richard McLean Smith today. If you go hiking

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<v Speaker 1>in the Scottish Highlands, you're unlikely to have the mountain

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<v Speaker 1>paths and peaks to yourself, even in the dead of winter.

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<v Speaker 1>Walking the mountains, along with winter sports like ice climbing

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<v Speaker 1>and skiing, are popular pastimes for locals and tourists alike,

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<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't always this way. In the late eighteen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 1>walking Scotland's mountains for fun was mostly a pastime for

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<v Speaker 1>a small group of wealthy and educated Victorian gentlemen, men

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<v Speaker 1>like Sir Hugh Munroe, who combined his delight in cataloging nature,

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<v Speaker 1>including his collections of butterflies and fossils, with his new

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<v Speaker 1>found hobby of ascending Scottish peaks. He drew up a

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<v Speaker 1>list of all two hundred and eighty two Scottish mountains

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<v Speaker 1>with an elevation of three thousand feet or more, first

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<v Speaker 1>published as Munro's Tables in the Journal of the Scottish

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<v Speaker 1>Mountaineering Club in eighteen ninety one. The list gave rise

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<v Speaker 1>to a new sport reaching the top of all of them,

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<v Speaker 1>known as Monroe bagging. Sadly, Sir Hugh never quite managed

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<v Speaker 1>to summit all two hundred and two himself, dying during

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<v Speaker 1>a flu epidemic at the end of World War One

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<v Speaker 1>with only three peaks left unclimbed. John Norman Collie was

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<v Speaker 1>born in eighteen fifty nine near the city of Manchester

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<v Speaker 1>in the north of England, but he had strong Scottish roots.

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<v Speaker 1>His father was from Aberdeenshire in northeast Scotland, so the

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<v Speaker 1>family moved back there when Collie was still a boy.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Monroe, Collie fell in love with the outdoors and

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<v Speaker 1>Scotland's wild, mountainous country. He would go on to become

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<v Speaker 1>a professor of medicine, conducting pioneering work on the use

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<v Speaker 1>of X ray photography, but he always found time for

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<v Speaker 1>hiking expeditions into the Scottish mountains, especially the Cullins of Sky,

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<v Speaker 1>where he helped establish new routes along with local mountain

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<v Speaker 1>guide John Mackenzie. In eighteen ninety five, he was part

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<v Speaker 1>of the first ever attempt on Nanga Parbat, a twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four thousand foot high peak in the Himalayas. Collie was

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<v Speaker 1>already and experienced and respect figure in Scottish mountaineering when

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<v Speaker 1>he went walking in the Cairngaum Mountains in eighteen ninety.

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<v Speaker 1>Back then, such ventures were much more of an expedition

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<v Speaker 1>than the comparatively easy day trips of today. At the time,

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<v Speaker 1>the Cairn Gorms were relatively remote and in some places

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<v Speaker 1>still relatively unexplored. Rail and good road links had not

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<v Speaker 1>yet been built. You could often be out among the

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<v Speaker 1>rocks and heather all day and not see another human soul.

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<v Speaker 1>The cair Gorms consists of a high plateau reaching almost

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<v Speaker 1>four thousand feet above sea level, pierced here and there

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<v Speaker 1>by domed summits the eroded stumps of once much grander mountains.

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<v Speaker 1>The highest of these is Ben mcdowey, at four thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred and ninety five feet above sea level. It

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<v Speaker 1>is the second highest peak in Britain, behind Ben Nevis,

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<v Speaker 1>on Scotland's northwest coast. The landscape that surrounds Ben mcdowey's

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<v Speaker 1>summit is desolate and bolder strewn scattered here and there

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<v Speaker 1>are free standing rocky outcrops. The Arctic alpine vegetation is sparse.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a place where, apart from the howl of the

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<v Speaker 1>wind and patter of rain on the rocks, the occasional

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<v Speaker 1>calls of birds like ptarmigan, snow buntings and red grouse

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<v Speaker 1>are the only sounds. The weather can change rapidly one

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<v Speaker 1>moment benign, the next harsh. It's a landscape in which

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<v Speaker 1>clouds descend or mists rise. The visibility can fall to

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<v Speaker 1>just a few feet, making it easy to become disorientated

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<v Speaker 1>and lost. Had the tale that Collie told the ken

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<v Speaker 1>Gorm Club that evening in nineteen twenty five been told

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<v Speaker 1>by another man, it might not have been believed. But

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<v Speaker 1>with his status as an experienced mountaineer and rational man

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<v Speaker 1>of science, the story made a great impression on those

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<v Speaker 1>present that day and those who heard of it later.

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<v Speaker 1>This was not a man to imagine phantoms or likely

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<v Speaker 1>to panic on a summit. In time, the sinister being

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<v Speaker 1>was given a name m for Leah Moore in Scott's

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<v Speaker 1>Gallic in English, the Big Gray Man of Ben mcdowey,

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<v Speaker 1>or simply the gray Man, and so for over a

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<v Speaker 1>century something described as a presence or as a creature

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<v Speaker 1>has been said to haunt the summit and surrounding passes

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<v Speaker 1>of Ben mcdowey. The Big Gray Man has joined a

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<v Speaker 1>list of creatures, some of which have existed for centuries

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<v Speaker 1>in the legends and folk talk of mountain peoples around

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<v Speaker 1>the world, like the Yetti from the Himalayas, Bigfoot from

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<v Speaker 1>North of America and the y Ren or wild Man

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<v Speaker 1>of China. Welsh mythology also has its own version of

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<v Speaker 1>the being, called Brennan the Leward in English, the Gray King,

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<v Speaker 1>described as a silent, semi corporeal figure who hides in

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<v Speaker 1>the mountain mists, preying on unsuspecting travelers, especially children. When

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<v Speaker 1>Colly's account was reported in the local press, the professor

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<v Speaker 1>soon discovered, to his immense surprise, that he wasn't the

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<v Speaker 1>only one who'd been terrified on those very same slopes.

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<v Speaker 1>One letter after another arrived through his door, detailing accounts

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<v Speaker 1>from climate who had previously been too afraid or too

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<v Speaker 1>ashamed to share their experiences. Just like Collie, several confessed

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<v Speaker 1>as similar feelings of terror caused by a being that

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<v Speaker 1>they had sensed was with them on the mountain. Hugh

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<v Speaker 1>Welsh was hiking to the summit with his brother in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen oh four, where throughout the day and night they

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<v Speaker 1>heard footsteps that sounded to them as if someone was

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<v Speaker 1>walking nearby through soaking wet gravel. Both men were utterly

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<v Speaker 1>convinced that something was stalking them. Only in a few

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<v Speaker 1>of the cases reported to John Colly did people report

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<v Speaker 1>actually seeing something. Those who did claim to glimpse a large,

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<v Speaker 1>dark shape looming towards them. Others described a very thin

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<v Speaker 1>being over ten feet tall, with long arms and broad shoulders,

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<v Speaker 1>either with dark skin and hair, or else an olive

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<v Speaker 1>complexion or covered with short brown hair. Occasionally some said

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<v Speaker 1>they'd seen an unusual looking footprint, but more often the

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<v Speaker 1>apparent creature seemed to stay hidden in the mist. The

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<v Speaker 1>reports dried up for a time until after the onset

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<v Speaker 1>of the Second World War, several more vivid reports of

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<v Speaker 1>the specter began to surface. From nineteen thirty nine to

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen forty five. Peter Densham was the leader of the

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<v Speaker 1>Cairngorms Royal Air Force Rescue Team. One day towards the

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<v Speaker 1>end of his service, Densham was participating in a rescue

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<v Speaker 1>exercise on Ben mcdowey. As he neared the summit, he

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<v Speaker 1>heard what he described as strange noises on the mountain side,

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<v Speaker 1>although at first he felt sure that they were merely

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<v Speaker 1>caused by stone shifting. Then, around dusk, as the light

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<v Speaker 1>began to fade, a dense mist closed in on his location. Suddenly,

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<v Speaker 1>Densham reported feeling a sensation of pressure increasing around its neck,

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<v Speaker 1>followed by another crunch in the gravel to his left.

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<v Speaker 1>Densham couldn't articulate what was happening in that moment. All

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<v Speaker 1>he knew was that he had to leave immediately. Overcome

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<v Speaker 1>by terror, he began running down the mountain, only to

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<v Speaker 1>find that he was heading straight towards a precipitous ravine.

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<v Speaker 1>As he later told his son, it was as if

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<v Speaker 1>someone was deliberately pushing him in that direction. It was

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<v Speaker 1>with no little effort that he found he had to

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<v Speaker 1>force himself to correct course before continuing his way down

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<v Speaker 1>the mountain safely. Some weeks later, Densham experienced an even

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<v Speaker 1>eeria encounter. This time he was accompanied by a climbing partner,

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<v Speaker 1>Richard Frere. As the two men neared the mountain summit

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<v Speaker 1>once again, the landscape became shrouded in a dense fog.

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<v Speaker 1>The fog became so thick that the two men quickly

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<v Speaker 1>lost sight of each other. As Densham steadily continued on

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<v Speaker 1>his way, he heard the faint sound of Frere's voice

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<v Speaker 1>and another voice to talking to each other. Assuming his

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<v Speaker 1>friend had bumped into another climber, Densham joined in the

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<v Speaker 1>discussion from a distance The conversation continued for a while

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<v Speaker 1>until the other voice dropped out, at which point Densham

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<v Speaker 1>asked Frere who he'd been talking to, but Frere was

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<v Speaker 1>confused the whole time. He thought he was just talking

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<v Speaker 1>to Densham. Three years later, and Richard Frere was back

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<v Speaker 1>on the mountain standing alone. At one point he heard

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<v Speaker 1>the eerie sound of what he took to be someone

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<v Speaker 1>singing a single, high pitched note. On hearing Peter Densham

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<v Speaker 1>and Richard Frere's stories, a mutual friend who wished to

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<v Speaker 1>remain anonymous, confessed that around that same time he had

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<v Speaker 1>been camping on Ben mcdowey one night when he suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>awoke with an inescapable feeling of dread. He opened his

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<v Speaker 1>tent and looked outside. There he saw a large figure

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<v Speaker 1>with dark hair, standing silhouetted in front of the moon.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen fifty eight, the naturalist and mountaineer Alexander Tunian

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<v Speaker 1>published an article in The Scots Magazine in which he

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<v Speaker 1>described a solo climbing trip in the Cairngorms from nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>forty three. One afternoon, he wrote, just as he reached

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<v Speaker 1>the summit of Ben mcdowey, a mist swelled up from

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<v Speaker 1>a famous pass below known as the Larry Grew. Tunian

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<v Speaker 1>pulled on some extra layers as the weather conditions rapidly

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<v Speaker 1>became dark and oppressive, and a fierce wind sprang up,

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<v Speaker 1>feathering and whistling among the boulders around him. Then he

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<v Speaker 1>heard a loud footstep pierce the mist, then another and another.

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<v Speaker 1>Straining his eyes toward where the sound came from, Tunian

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<v Speaker 1>claimed that a strange shape suddenly loomed up out of

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<v Speaker 1>the mist. As he attempted to make out what exactly

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<v Speaker 1>it was, the figure appeared to recede for a moment,

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<v Speaker 1>only to emerge from the mist yet again, and this

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<v Speaker 1>time to charge at the climber. Managing to keep his composure,

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<v Speaker 1>Tunian whipped out a revolver and fired three times at

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<v Speaker 1>the ghostly figure, but this failed to make it retreat.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point, like several men before him, his nerves

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<v Speaker 1>got the better of him and he turned and ran,

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<v Speaker 1>not stopping for breath until he reached the valley of

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<v Speaker 1>Glenderry below. Tunian commented in his article that he'd never

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<v Speaker 1>traveled that path so quickly before or since. He believed

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<v Speaker 1>that what he'd seen was the big gray man. During

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<v Speaker 1>the early nineteen twenties, former president of the Moray Mountaineering

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<v Speaker 1>Club Tom Crowley was descending from a peak to the

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<v Speaker 1>west of Ben mcdowey when a huge, gray, mist shrouded

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<v Speaker 1>figure with pointed ears, long legs, and fingerlike talons on

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<v Speaker 1>its feet came into view. There's no record of whether

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<v Speaker 1>Crowley turned and ran Meanwhile, in his book one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>Strangest Unexplained Mysterets, writer Matt Lammy describes the experience of

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<v Speaker 1>three men who claimed to have come face to face

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<v Speaker 1>with an eerie, dark, human shaped figure in a forest

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<v Speaker 1>in Aberdeenshire, on the eastern side of the Cairngorms. They

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<v Speaker 1>claimed to have seen a face looking at them from

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<v Speaker 1>between tree branches, which was, in their words, human but

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<v Speaker 1>not human. One of the men claimed to have thrown

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<v Speaker 1>a stone at it, causing it to disappear into the trees.

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<v Speaker 1>A few weeks later, the same trio were driving in

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<v Speaker 1>the area when the men alleged that the same bipedal

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<v Speaker 1>creature suddenly appeared from out of the trees and pursued

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<v Speaker 1>their car, running it up to forty five miles per hour.

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<v Speaker 1>After some time, it eventually gave up and apparently stood

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the road, just watching as the

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<v Speaker 1>car and its frightened occupants sped away. Despite the various reports,

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<v Speaker 1>no photographs of the so called Big Gray Man have

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<v Speaker 1>ever been taken. Photographer John Rennie did take shots of

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<v Speaker 1>a series of footprints measuring nineteen inches long and fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>inches white, that he found in the Spey Valley below

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<v Speaker 1>the mountain, believing them to be those of the creature.

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<v Speaker 1>It was only later that he discovered they weren't footprints

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<v Speaker 1>at all, but caused by a natural process that occurs

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<v Speaker 1>when rainfall melts the snow. Some skeptics are of the

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<v Speaker 1>firm belief that there is no Big Gray Man, and

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<v Speaker 1>that he is in stead dead, a manifestation of a

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<v Speaker 1>well known mountain phenomenon. Born in seventeen seventy, James Hogg

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<v Speaker 1>was a Scottish poet, novelist and essayist. In seventeen ninety one,

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<v Speaker 1>the author was walking on Ben mcdowey when he encountered

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<v Speaker 1>what he described as a giant blackamore, an archaic term

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<v Speaker 1>for Muslims from North Africa and the Iberian Peninsula, at

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<v Speaker 1>least thirty feet high. Hogg wrote that it had all

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<v Speaker 1>the appearances of a giant, long limbed, gray silhouette of

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<v Speaker 1>a man, which seemed to stand against the backdrop of

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<v Speaker 1>the clouds behind it. At first, the author was struck

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<v Speaker 1>powerless with astonishment and terror, but his terror began to

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<v Speaker 1>subside when he realized that the figure was aping his gestures.

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<v Speaker 1>When Hogg raised his arm, the gray man raised his.

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<v Speaker 1>When he held its leg to one side, the apparition

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<v Speaker 1>did the same with the exact same timing, took off

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<v Speaker 1>its hat at the same moment he did. With a

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<v Speaker 1>flash of relief and comprehension, Hogg realized that the gray

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<v Speaker 1>Man was just his own shadow. These days, this atmospheric

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<v Speaker 1>phenomenon is well known to hikers and mountaineers. It's called

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<v Speaker 1>a Brocken specter, named after the brock And Peak in

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<v Speaker 1>Germany's Hartz Mountains, where as on many Scottish peaks it's

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<v Speaker 1>a frequent occurrence. It's caused when a low angled sun's

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<v Speaker 1>rays filter through low cloud or fog to produce the

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<v Speaker 1>shadow of a person, which appears elongated, almost like something

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<v Speaker 1>coming out of the mist on which it's projected. The giant,

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<v Speaker 1>gray humanoid shape is often surrounded by a rainbow hued halo,

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<v Speaker 1>giving it a ghostly, almost angelic appearance. Non Believers in

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<v Speaker 1>the Big Gray Man have also pointed out to the

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<v Speaker 1>strange sounds that some climates have heard, that the wind

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<v Speaker 1>can make extraordinary sounds as it howls and whistles over

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<v Speaker 1>exposed rocks, outcrops, and boulders. One mountain on the eastern

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<v Speaker 1>side of the Grampians, called Loch Nagar is even named

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<v Speaker 1>the Lock of the Outcry, or in Gallic, Loch Nagara,

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<v Speaker 1>due to the frequent moaning and howling of the wind

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<v Speaker 1>among its rocks, while a past to the south is

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<v Speaker 1>called baloch and Scarnia, or rocks that make noises. And

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<v Speaker 1>yet experienced mountaineers who've reported hearing the creature would almost

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<v Speaker 1>certainly be familiar with just such a thing. And if

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<v Speaker 1>the Big Gray Man is merely an optical illusion, what

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<v Speaker 1>of the alleged encounters that have happened after sunset, not

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<v Speaker 1>to mention the inexplicable sounds of footsteps and the sudden

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<v Speaker 1>sense of panic that is said to accompany them. Mountain panic,

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<v Speaker 1>more formally known as high place phenomenon, can affect people

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<v Speaker 1>in different ways. Physiologically, is thought to be caused by

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<v Speaker 1>the brain misinterpreting a survival safety signal to back up instead,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes leading to a desire to jump from a high place,

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<v Speaker 1>which only intensifies the sudden onrush of anxiety. It can

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<v Speaker 1>be induced by a lack of oxygen, stress, and fatigue.

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<v Speaker 1>The symptoms, like the feeling of losing control of a situation, dizziness,

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<v Speaker 1>or shallowness of breath, can vary, but a universal symptom

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<v Speaker 1>is a sense of impending doom, which can strike when

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<v Speaker 1>you least expect it. Magazine editor Sarah Collins was alone

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<v Speaker 1>on a chairlift at almost four thousand feet above sea

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<v Speaker 1>level while on holiday in the Canadian Rockies when the

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<v Speaker 1>thought suddenly came into her head to jump. Surveying the

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<v Speaker 1>magnificent array of mountain peaks around her, Collins was gripped

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<v Speaker 1>by a sense of dread and the feeling she was

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<v Speaker 1>about to lose control of her body. A former sufferer

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<v Speaker 1>of obsessive compulsive disorder, she'd successfully developed techniques for suppressing

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<v Speaker 1>recurring intrusive thoughts and had considered herself cured, but on

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<v Speaker 1>this occasion she was experiencing a combination of jet lack

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<v Speaker 1>and the sense of being in an unfamiliar environment. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>she became overwhelmed by a full blown panic attack. Collins

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<v Speaker 1>gripped tighter and tighter onto the metal bar in front

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<v Speaker 1>of her, the only thing between her and the abyss below.

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<v Speaker 1>For ten long minutes, she had the feeling that at

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<v Speaker 1>any moment she might give in to the impulse to

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<v Speaker 1>launch herself off the chair. Eventually, the calming voice of

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<v Speaker 1>mental health professional that she'd been treated by years ago

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<v Speaker 1>came back to her. Collins described the antidote as being

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<v Speaker 1>akin to allowing yourself to just float rather than thrash

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<v Speaker 1>the water when you think you're about to drown. Gradually,

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<v Speaker 1>she persuaded herself to relax her grip on the bar

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<v Speaker 1>and lie back in the chair. She survived the ride.

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<v Speaker 1>Could it be that mountaineers who have seen the Big

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<v Speaker 1>Gray Man have often been suffering from mountain panic, experiencing

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<v Speaker 1>symptoms recognized by psychologists as often brought on by a

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<v Speaker 1>combination of isolation and exhaustion. Even experienced and well trained

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<v Speaker 1>adventurers can succumb to hallucinations under the combined assault of fatigue,

0:24:49.520 --> 0:24:54.480
<v Speaker 1>low oxygen, the cold, and a desolate landscape. There are

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<v Speaker 1>many accounts of hill walkers and climbers experiencing the high

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<v Speaker 1>place phenomenon across the British Isles, in places as far

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<v Speaker 1>afield as the Isle of Sky, the Grampian Highlands and

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<v Speaker 1>the mountains of England and Wales. Almost all accounts of

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<v Speaker 1>the Big Gray Man include a sense of being overtaken

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<v Speaker 1>by feelings of dread, sometimes so much that some on

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<v Speaker 1>Ben mcdowey have reported being drawn towards the precipitous drop

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<v Speaker 1>at a place called lurch Ats Crack, almost prepared to

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<v Speaker 1>throw themselves over the edge. So intense is the feeling.

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<v Speaker 1>And then, of course there is infrasound. It has been

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<v Speaker 1>known for some time that infrasound can affect human physiology

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<v Speaker 1>and psychology. There have even been clinical experiments to test it.

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<v Speaker 1>In two thousand and four, at the School of Mechanical

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<v Speaker 1>Science and Engineering at Waalsong University in wu Han, China,

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<v Speaker 1>a study was carried out to honor to the changes

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<v Speaker 1>of blood pressure, heart rate, and the subjective feelings of

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<v Speaker 1>subjects exposed to infrasound. The study adopted two different infrasonic

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<v Speaker 1>treatments based around the sound wave frequency of two herts

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<v Speaker 1>and four herts. During the experiment, One group was exposed

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<v Speaker 1>to infrasound of two herts at a volume of one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred decibels for one hour, while a second group was

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<v Speaker 1>exposed to four herts at a volume of one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and twenty decibels for one hour. Any noise with a

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<v Speaker 1>frequency over twenty hertz, the lower limit of human hearing

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<v Speaker 1>was minimized. To avoid any interference with the results. A

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<v Speaker 1>blood pressure meter and cardio tachometer were used to measure

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<v Speaker 1>any changes in the subjects blood pressure and heart rate.

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<v Speaker 1>It was found that exposure to both frequencies of infrasound

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<v Speaker 1>made the subjects feel headachey, fretful, and tired. When exposed

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<v Speaker 1>of four hurts over an hour, the blood pressure and

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<v Speaker 1>heart rate of most participants rose. In natural settings, infrasount

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<v Speaker 1>can be generated by the wind. You may remember in

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<v Speaker 1>season seven, episode twenty one, Wild is the Wind, we

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<v Speaker 1>told the story of the Reverend James Pike and his

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<v Speaker 1>wife Diane, who some suspect was driven mad by the

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<v Speaker 1>wind while on a research trip in the Judean Desert.

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<v Speaker 1>Pike died in mysterious circumstances on the expedition. Wind generated

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<v Speaker 1>infrasount has been implicated in causing feelings of uneasiness, anxiety,

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<v Speaker 1>and paranormal sightings for some time, and mountains are frequently

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<v Speaker 1>windy places. In nineteen ninety eight, in the Journal of

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<v Speaker 1>the Society for Psychical Research, researcher Vic Tandy published a

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<v Speaker 1>study showing how a nineteen hertz standing airwave just below

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<v Speaker 1>the human ability to hear it may, under certain conditions

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<v Speaker 1>create sensory for no nomina in humans suggestive of a ghost.

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<v Speaker 1>In the paper titled the Ghost in the Machine, Tandy

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<v Speaker 1>advised researchers of paranoral experiences to try and rule out

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<v Speaker 1>this potential natural explanation for their investigations. All that being said,

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<v Speaker 1>As recently as twenty twenty two, Scottish newspaper The Daily

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<v Speaker 1>Record ran a story about a guest staying at mar

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<v Speaker 1>Lodge in the cair Grants who'd left a post on

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<v Speaker 1>a wildlife sighting board at a ranger's hut. Most posts

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<v Speaker 1>on the board reported things like the sighting of adders

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<v Speaker 1>or eagles, or bemoaned the appearance of biting midgie's, But

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<v Speaker 1>on the twenty seventh of September one spoot guest wrote

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<v Speaker 1>something a little different. According to them, they had spotted

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<v Speaker 1>a creepy gray silhouette standing at the summit of Ben mcdowey.

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<v Speaker 1>Whether it was in fact a Brocken specter, just the

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<v Speaker 1>mind playing tricks on them, or indeed a real living

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<v Speaker 1>thing lurking in the mist, just like the mystery of

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<v Speaker 1>m for Leah Moore, the big gray Man of Ben

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<v Speaker 1>mcdowey that remains to this day unexplained. This episode was

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<v Speaker 1>written by Diane Hope and produced by Richard McClain Smith.

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<v Speaker 1>Diane is an audio producer and sound recordist in her

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<v Speaker 1>own right. You can find out more about her work

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<v Speaker 1>at Dianehope dot com and on Instagram at in the

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