WEBVTT - TechStuff Classic: TechStuff Tests the Emergency Broadcast System

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to tech Stuff, a production of I Heart Radios,

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<v Speaker 1>How Stuff Works. Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with

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<v Speaker 1>How Stuff Works and I Heart Radio and I love

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<v Speaker 1>all things tech. Today, it's time for another classic episode

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<v Speaker 1>of tech Stuff. This one originally aired on August one,

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand twelve, and it is titled tech Stuff Tests

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<v Speaker 1>the Emergency Broadcast System. Chris Pilette and I decided to

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<v Speaker 1>sit down and really learn about the history of the

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<v Speaker 1>emergency broadcast system. What does it really mean? And maybe

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<v Speaker 1>you've actually turned on the TV when one of those

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<v Speaker 1>tests were going on and wondered what the heck is happening.

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<v Speaker 1>This show should answer all those questions, So take it away,

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<v Speaker 1>Chris and younger me. So, we wanted to do an

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<v Speaker 1>episode about the emergence see broadcast system. This was actually

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<v Speaker 1>a request that was sent in by a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>different listeners, which is interesting because it doesn't really technically

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<v Speaker 1>exist anymore. Now we have a new system in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States called the Emergency Alert System. Also, I should

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<v Speaker 1>apologize to all of our listeners from places other than

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<v Speaker 1>the United States. This is a very United States centric podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's interesting anyway, trust me. Well it's it's become

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<v Speaker 1>something that's, uh, that's important in most situations too. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean they're they're uh tragedies and big events that happen

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<v Speaker 1>in places all over the world, so that the question

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<v Speaker 1>is you've got a country, um, you know, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have to necessarily be the United States. We have a country,

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<v Speaker 1>have millions of people living there, and something is happening,

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<v Speaker 1>there's an earthquake or a tsunami or uh, some other

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<v Speaker 1>kind of accident um or another country is invading or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that. You know, something big where you need

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<v Speaker 1>to tell people, Hey, look out, there's something you need

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<v Speaker 1>to evacuate, you need to get out of there. How

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<v Speaker 1>do you address so many people in a short time? Now,

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<v Speaker 1>for the United States, what inspired this was the need

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<v Speaker 1>to reach out to people during World War two, um,

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<v Speaker 1>and there wasn't a system and subsequently the Cold War.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, well, I mean the the whole uh, the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the the Second World War and it of

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<v Speaker 1>course with the dropping of two atomic bombs on Japan

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<v Speaker 1>and um, you know, it was apparent because other countries

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<v Speaker 1>had that technology pretty much right away, and that that

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<v Speaker 1>The Cold War between the United States and the Soviet

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<v Speaker 1>Union began shortly after that, and then there was a

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<v Speaker 1>UM there was a big fear in the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>but about um, what would happen if the Soviet Union

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<v Speaker 1>launched a nuclear attack on the United States? How do

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<v Speaker 1>you warn people? And they said, well, you know, judging

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<v Speaker 1>by what we did in World War Two, that was

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<v Speaker 1>fairly effective. But we need a system, we need we

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<v Speaker 1>need to plan, we need to figure out how we

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<v Speaker 1>can do this effectively and let everybody know in a

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<v Speaker 1>short period of time because we're not going to have

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<v Speaker 1>long we need to have a short period of time,

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<v Speaker 1>a message in place. How can we reach out to people?

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<v Speaker 1>And that was basically the birth of UM what now

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<v Speaker 1>is the Emergency Alert System, but at that point was

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<v Speaker 1>known as connal rad yes uh in fact, which wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, kind of sort of an acronym for

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<v Speaker 1>a control of electromagnetic radiation which is kind of terrifying, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But that was established in ninety one by under the

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<v Speaker 1>administration of Harry S. Truman. Quick Quick Quick Trivia was

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<v Speaker 1>the S stand for nothing. That's right, Harry S. Truman

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<v Speaker 1>stood for nothing. Wait, no, that's not right. Nothing. He

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<v Speaker 1>just wanted it. He liked it sort of, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like Michael J. So you don't say like the S

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<v Speaker 1>stands for nothing, like nothing isn't spelled with S. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't mean to confuse you. The S doesn't mean anything.

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<v Speaker 1>So control of electromagnetic radiation getting back on track. Prior

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<v Speaker 1>to ninety one, these alerts went out over radio station.

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<v Speaker 1>They would get like an emergency bulletin, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much up to the station whether or not they

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<v Speaker 1>read it. Um conal Red kind of established a specific

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<v Speaker 1>protocol that needed to be followed in the event of

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<v Speaker 1>an emergency, and originally the idea was that it would

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<v Speaker 1>alert citizens of the United States of an impending attack

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<v Speaker 1>from the Soviet Union. In those days, we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>before intercontinental ballistic missiles, so these attacks would take the

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<v Speaker 1>form of bombers flying overhead, and so conal Red had

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<v Speaker 1>two main purposes. Really, one was to issue alerts to

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<v Speaker 1>citizens to try and get them to safety as soon

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<v Speaker 1>as possible in the case of the attack, and the

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<v Speaker 1>second was to minimize the ability of the Soviets to

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<v Speaker 1>target UH specific areas based on radio frequencies. So part

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<v Speaker 1>of the connal Red protocol was that radio stations would

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<v Speaker 1>shut down and they would only uh broadcast in a

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<v Speaker 1>certain amount of time and under certain frequencies. So under

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<v Speaker 1>the Comrade protocol you essentially had this. This is what

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<v Speaker 1>would happen if if someone were to issue alert. By

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<v Speaker 1>the way, no alert was ever issued. It was originally

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<v Speaker 1>called a key station system, and the idea was that

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<v Speaker 1>you had these dedicated telephone circuits that connected the Air

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<v Speaker 1>Defense control centers to certain key radio stations called basic

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<v Speaker 1>key stations. If there were an appending attack, the Air

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<v Speaker 1>Defense Control center would issue the alert to the key

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<v Speaker 1>radio stations, these basic key stations that would then issue

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<v Speaker 1>that same alert to relay key stations. These would be

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<v Speaker 1>smaller regional radio stations. Uh so they it was sort

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<v Speaker 1>of a hierarchy, right, It went from Air Defense Control

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<v Speaker 1>centers to a certain number of basic radio stations to

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<v Speaker 1>every other radio station. Once they received the alert, the

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<v Speaker 1>radio stations would then broadcast a predetermined message out to

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<v Speaker 1>the listeners. And the way it would work is that

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<v Speaker 1>the stations would turn off for five seconds, so they

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<v Speaker 1>had stopped transmitting for five seconds, come back on for

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<v Speaker 1>five seconds, go off for five more seconds, then come

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<v Speaker 1>on and transmit a tone for fifteen seconds. Now, this

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<v Speaker 1>was the the audible alert saying something is up. You

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<v Speaker 1>get the predetermined message. Uh, actually we're really What you

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<v Speaker 1>had to do was tuned to one of two frequencies.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a frequency kill hurts frequency and the forty

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<v Speaker 1>kill hurts frequency. Now, these two frequencies were the only

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<v Speaker 1>two that were authorized to broadcast during one of these emergencies.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, on radios at the time, you would see

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<v Speaker 1>this little symbol over those those frequencies and it was

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<v Speaker 1>a triangle inside a circle, and that's the Civil Defense mark. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you might remember the symbol sort of red, white and

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<v Speaker 1>blue if you've seen it around and uh it's still

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<v Speaker 1>not terribly uncommon to see it every once in a

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<v Speaker 1>while someplace. So yeah, but that was that was saying like,

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<v Speaker 1>these are the two frequencies. If you if your favorite

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<v Speaker 1>radio station isn't on, tune into this station because this

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<v Speaker 1>is where the information is going to come from. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>It was not the best system for a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>different reasons. One was that it was prone to false

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<v Speaker 1>alarms if like an electrical storm could set off a

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<v Speaker 1>false alarm, because you're talking about electricity and radio frequencies.

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<v Speaker 1>There is a relationship there and we have talked about

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<v Speaker 1>that extensively on this podcast. So listen to our episodes

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<v Speaker 1>about radio to learn more about electromagnetism, radio waves, and

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<v Speaker 1>electricity because I can't go into it here. But the

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<v Speaker 1>the lightning strikes could cause false alarms, which is, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a bad thing if if you've been told that this

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<v Speaker 1>alert system means that there's an impending attack from Soviet planes,

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<v Speaker 1>it might cause a little stress. Also, the switching mechanism,

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<v Speaker 1>because it would make transmitters switch on and off in

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<v Speaker 1>this this UH, the sequence could cause transmitters to fail

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<v Speaker 1>over time, just from powering up and powering down so

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<v Speaker 1>frequently within a certain amount of time. And then of

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<v Speaker 1>course UH this whole system, this idea of cutting off

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<v Speaker 1>radio contact so that you could minimize the ability for

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<v Speaker 1>Soviets to target in on specific regions. It became meaningless

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<v Speaker 1>once intercontinental ballistic missiles became a real thing, right because

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<v Speaker 1>now you're not talking about planes anymore. You're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>guided missiles and uh or at least targeted missiles. So

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<v Speaker 1>it became clear that connal red was starting to no

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<v Speaker 1>longer be very relevant. So they the government started to think, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what can we do that will provide a similar method

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<v Speaker 1>for us to message out emergency notices, but use a

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<v Speaker 1>different approach, and that was what sort of led into

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<v Speaker 1>the development of the Emergency Broadcast System e B S.

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<v Speaker 1>YEP in ne EBS made its debut um and uh

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<v Speaker 1>again it it never was used, of course, to uh,

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<v Speaker 1>to communicate the threat of war. Not on purpose. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>get but I'm assuming that you listened to the w

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<v Speaker 1>O w Um. We'll get to that. But yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it was a much more robust system. Um. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's during the Kennedy administration for those of you keeping track, yep,

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<v Speaker 1>yep and um. One of the nice things about it

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<v Speaker 1>is uh here again, well you could kind of tell

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<v Speaker 1>kind of judge the mood too. Um. If you had

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<v Speaker 1>heard something come over conald Rad, you probably immediately would

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<v Speaker 1>have thought war. But EBS was actually used for other

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<v Speaker 1>things too. I remember weather alerts coming in using the

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<v Speaker 1>exact same thing, and so you would hear and this

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<v Speaker 1>was used on multiple radio stations. You didn't necessarily have

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<v Speaker 1>to tune into one radio station to get your information.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be broadcast over TV and radio. Because you

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<v Speaker 1>no longer had to worry about that targeting issue. Then

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<v Speaker 1>meant that all the stations could be used instead of

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<v Speaker 1>having to tune into a specific one while everything else

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<v Speaker 1>is turned off. And hey, that's more effective anyway to

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<v Speaker 1>reach people. Um. But yeah, you would hear this this

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<v Speaker 1>tone which it's hard to explain it if you've never

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<v Speaker 1>heard it. You're splitting other than you're splitting and annoying

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<v Speaker 1>between it does get your attention. Apparently, it's the combined

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<v Speaker 1>the sign waves of eight hundred and fifty three hurts

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<v Speaker 1>and nine sixty hurts specifically chosen because it does grab

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<v Speaker 1>your attention because it's very jarring to hear it. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just you you can't ignore it. If you can hear

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<v Speaker 1>you can't ignore it. That's that's true. Um. And of course, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>those of us who are familiar with it other than

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<v Speaker 1>you know, being living somewhere where they're multiple weather uh

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<v Speaker 1>situations like tornadoes or tornadoes. Yeah, no kidding, Um, you

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<v Speaker 1>would probably have heard this through the the alerts which

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan and I grew up with, which was testing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they would say they would come on and say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a test of the emergency broadcast system and

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<v Speaker 1>the next sixty seconds, we will be testing out the

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<v Speaker 1>emergency broadcast system. It would there was actually a very

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<v Speaker 1>specific script that would fall and then there would be

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<v Speaker 1>after they would tell you there's a test coming. They

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<v Speaker 1>would play this tone, and then there'd be another message

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<v Speaker 1>that would appear at the end saying this was a

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<v Speaker 1>test the emergency broadcast system. If this had been a

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<v Speaker 1>real emergency, you would have received more information at this

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<v Speaker 1>point alerting you to blah blah blah, blah blah, we

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<v Speaker 1>now return you to your regularly scheduled programming type stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And they were required to do this test once a week. Yeah, regular,

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<v Speaker 1>on a regular basis. I didn't think it was quite

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<v Speaker 1>that frequently. It was once a week unless you had

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<v Speaker 1>actually had to issue a real alert. If you had

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<v Speaker 1>to issue a real alert, could skip over some time.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was once a week at essentially a random

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<v Speaker 1>time between eight thirty in the morning and sunset at night, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>sometime during the week. So it wasn't that we'll get

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<v Speaker 1>into this too. There wasn't a time where every single

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<v Speaker 1>station had to do it at the same time. It

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<v Speaker 1>was unique to the various stations. And like you were saying, us,

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<v Speaker 1>you know these alerts went out not just for a

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<v Speaker 1>national emergency. In fact, they never went out on purpose

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<v Speaker 1>for a national emergency instead. Uh so so never it

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<v Speaker 1>was never used purposefully For that reason, even though that

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<v Speaker 1>was the genesis of this system, it was used more

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<v Speaker 1>than oh, I don't know, several thousand times to alert

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<v Speaker 1>for civil emergencies, sometimes an alert about to be on

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<v Speaker 1>the lookout for a suspect in a in a particularly

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<v Speaker 1>nasty crime that could be an alert, or for the

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<v Speaker 1>weather alerts like the ones that Chris and I grew

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<v Speaker 1>up with. I can remember that happening so many times. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>The uh the way the emergency broadcast system worked was

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<v Speaker 1>that the only message that no station could ignore or

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<v Speaker 1>was supposed to ignore, was a national one. Right, So,

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<v Speaker 1>if you are a radio station in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>nowhere and the national alert goes out, you were supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to to broadcast it just like every other station in

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<v Speaker 1>the country, whereas if it were a local or regional

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<v Speaker 1>you may or may not have been able to ignore

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<v Speaker 1>that message and not broadcast it. The way it worked

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<v Speaker 1>was that, again like the Connell red system, where you

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<v Speaker 1>had the key stations, the basic key stations, and the

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<v Speaker 1>relay key stations. There was a similar setup for the

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<v Speaker 1>emergency broadcast system. You had these primary points of contact,

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<v Speaker 1>which would be major broadcast stations usually, but these primary

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<v Speaker 1>points of contact had to issue all broadcast all the

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<v Speaker 1>alerts they got. They had no choice because they were

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<v Speaker 1>a primary point of contact. But if you were further

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<v Speaker 1>down the chain, like you are a secondary point or

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<v Speaker 1>further down, then you could elect whether or not to

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<v Speaker 1>broadcast that alert, assuming it wasn't a national alert that

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<v Speaker 1>was the only one. Of course, everyone had to broadcast.

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<v Speaker 1>So um, you know there were that That explains why

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<v Speaker 1>you might be in an area where a weather service

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<v Speaker 1>alert is being broadcast, asked, and you saw it on

0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:04.280
<v Speaker 1>one channel, but you switched to another local channel, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's nothing that could be why. It may be that

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<v Speaker 1>that other channels not a primary point and therefore was

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<v Speaker 1>not required to broadcast it. Beebe. This is not a test.

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<v Speaker 1>This is actually us going into a commercial break. See

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<v Speaker 1>you on the flip side. Now, the the incident that

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan mentioned, famous incident. Now I read an account of

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<v Speaker 1>this from a person who was working at a radio

0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:40.400
<v Speaker 1>station in St. Louis at the time it happened. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>at the time it happened, by the way, is February.

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<v Speaker 1>And what he had said was that every Saturday at

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<v Speaker 1>ten thirty three, the radio stations would receive a test

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<v Speaker 1>message from Cheyenne Mountain in Colorado. And so basically it

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<v Speaker 1>would say and there was a code word that it

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<v Speaker 1>would include that would let you know that it was

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<v Speaker 1>was genuine. And so at ten thirty three, um, there

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<v Speaker 1>there was a teletype machine in the other room and

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<v Speaker 1>he heard it and and typically it would it would

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<v Speaker 1>dig a couple of times to let you know, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>there's something something on the wire, you know, a news

0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:20.600
<v Speaker 1>story on the wire. But this one rang ten times,

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<v Speaker 1>which he knew was a big deal. Um. And so

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<v Speaker 1>he ran into the other room and got a message

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<v Speaker 1>that said he needed to broadcast a warning that there

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<v Speaker 1>was an announcement coming from the national you know, from

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<v Speaker 1>the federal government and it was something bad and impending,

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<v Speaker 1>and be on the alert because it was time to

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<v Speaker 1>broadcast a message. But they really weren't told what that

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<v Speaker 1>message was. What it was. Well, see here's the thing. Hateful, hateful,

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<v Speaker 1>the you know, which was a code word, meaning that

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<v Speaker 1>the code that was actually a code word. The hateful

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<v Speaker 1>was a code word that meant there's a message is

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<v Speaker 1>coming up, there's an attack coming up, but more details

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<v Speaker 1>will follow. Go ahead and initiate the alert system. And

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<v Speaker 1>it was a mistake that was made by a teletype

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<v Speaker 1>operator who sent this authenticated code out to the system,

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<v Speaker 1>which meant it went to all those those primary points

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<v Speaker 1>of contact, and it didn't say it didn't say a

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<v Speaker 1>minute later, oops, my bad. No, no, it took a while,

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<v Speaker 1>and in fact, the first time they tried to resend it,

0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:28.400
<v Speaker 1>they sent the wrong code, so it didn't resend the message.

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<v Speaker 1>It was only forty minutes after the initial message was

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<v Speaker 1>sent out that the cancelation, the correct cancelation went out.

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<v Speaker 1>So what happened was actually very telling in a way

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<v Speaker 1>because some radio, radio and television stations, actually a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of them, didn't do anything at all, so they did

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<v Speaker 1>not broadcast this message, and that, in a way is

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<v Speaker 1>a problem because the whole purpose of the system is

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<v Speaker 1>to relay a national emergency to everybody. Now. Now, in

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<v Speaker 1>many of these cases, it may be that the people

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<v Speaker 1>in charge said, there's no information here, we have no

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<v Speaker 1>real I mean, it's a confirmed code, but there's no

0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:09.160
<v Speaker 1>confirmed information and we have nothing to share with people.

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<v Speaker 1>So Why would we go ahead and do this when

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<v Speaker 1>we don't have any information we could give them. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they were standing by to broadcast whatever the major announcement

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<v Speaker 1>was about the attack. Right. Some of them hadn't even

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<v Speaker 1>signaled the alert, right, They just the programming just kept

0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:28.920
<v Speaker 1>on going. But other stations did. Some of them didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know what to do, so some of them weren't doing

0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:33.400
<v Speaker 1>it on purpose. Some of them weren't doing it because

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't know what they were supposed to do. And

0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:38.399
<v Speaker 1>a few actually broke into programming and said, we've received

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<v Speaker 1>an alert from the Emergency Broadcast System. We know that

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<v Speaker 1>there is a national emergency. We're a waiting for more information.

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<v Speaker 1>Please stand by. And what Chris was talking about earlier

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<v Speaker 1>was there are a couple of recordings on the internet

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<v Speaker 1>you can listen to that were taken from that day.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of them is from an radio station from

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<v Speaker 1>Fort Wayne, Indiana called w ow OH, and you can

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<v Speaker 1>listen to that and you can find it on the internet.

0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:06.600
<v Speaker 1>The actual it's snippets from that. It's it's been edited.

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<v Speaker 1>It's sorry, it's been edited down so that you get

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<v Speaker 1>uh sections, the important sections of of the broadcast. It's

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<v Speaker 1>about what six minutes or so long, keeping in mind

0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:20.639
<v Speaker 1>that that whole window was more like forty minutes. So

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<v Speaker 1>this is six minutes of footage footage from six minutes

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<v Speaker 1>of content from that forty minute window. Yeah. So basically

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<v Speaker 1>what it said was, you know, hey, there there's something

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<v Speaker 1>coming up. It's it's um. It's one of those things

0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:34.320
<v Speaker 1>that would be funny. If it weren't, if you don't

0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:36.800
<v Speaker 1>put yourself back at that time, I would have been terrifying.

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<v Speaker 1>It would have been terrifying because he's the person who

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<v Speaker 1>was on the air. Was a you could tell, was it, uh,

0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:46.240
<v Speaker 1>seasoned newsperson? Yeah, yeah, he Uh. He was very serious

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<v Speaker 1>and said, you know, there's there's been a message. We're

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<v Speaker 1>waiting word for what's going on. Uh. If you are

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<v Speaker 1>listening and you are one of our reporters, come here immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>We need you here right now. And and basically was talking, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>not only to the audience, but to the the other

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<v Speaker 1>reporters who might be listening. The message itself actually said,

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<v Speaker 1>UM message authenticator, hatefulness, hatefulness. This is an emergency action

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<v Speaker 1>notification directed by the President. Normal broadcasting will cease immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>All stations will broadcast e A N message one preceded

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<v Speaker 1>by the attention signal. Per FCC rules, only stations holding

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<v Speaker 1>nd N D E A may stay on the air

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<v Speaker 1>and according and accord with State E B S plan.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh that would have scared the pants off of me. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And it took a while, as Jonathan said, uh, you know,

0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:38.960
<v Speaker 1>kill e A N message. It was sent in error

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<v Speaker 1>and it took a while for it to uh to

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<v Speaker 1>show up. But the person he the person who I was,

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<v Speaker 1>I was reading, I should have gotten the the U

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<v Speaker 1>R L if I can find it real quick for

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<v Speaker 1>you guys, I will um. The the person who was,

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<v Speaker 1>who has actually posted photos of scans of his copies

0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:02.440
<v Speaker 1>of these messages, was saying, excuse the burn marks. I

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<v Speaker 1>was smoking pretty heavily through this incidents. It was kind

0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:10.320
<v Speaker 1>of stressed out. If you listen to the recording from

0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:15.000
<v Speaker 1>the w O w oh incident, you actually hear the

0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:19.520
<v Speaker 1>the newscaster kind of chuckling once the once the order

0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:22.720
<v Speaker 1>was sent out about this was a mistake, and you know,

0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:24.760
<v Speaker 1>kind of kind of because you know, clearly it was

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<v Speaker 1>one of those stressful things and the chuckling is him

0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:30.000
<v Speaker 1>releasing that stress, and it is an interesting moment in

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<v Speaker 1>history to kind of pick up on that. Um So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>not that was the only time that a national alert

0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:40.000
<v Speaker 1>went out across the system. And again it wasn't a

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<v Speaker 1>real one, it was a mistake. UM. And then what

0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:47.840
<v Speaker 1>was supposed to happen is that, depending upon the nature

0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:51.320
<v Speaker 1>of the emergency UH, stations are supposed to read from

0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:54.840
<v Speaker 1>a predetermined script like it's it's They're not supposed to

0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:57.200
<v Speaker 1>just you know, kind of provide commentary on it. There's

0:20:57.240 --> 0:21:01.680
<v Speaker 1>a specific message that needs to be relayed and um.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was the general purpose of the Emergency Broadcast System,

0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:08.600
<v Speaker 1>but it was starting to show its age, UH, particularly

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<v Speaker 1>in the nineties, because you started to have other methods

0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:17.159
<v Speaker 1>of getting content on your television besides broadcast TV, and

0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:21.520
<v Speaker 1>the Emergency Broadcast System really affected radio and broadcast television.

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<v Speaker 1>So there needed to be an overhaul of the system,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's what happened in the late nineties, and in

0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:31.960
<v Speaker 1>ninety eight you had the Emergency Alert System take its place.

0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:35.360
<v Speaker 1>And now you might say, well, what's the difference. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>for one thing, it doesn't just include broadcast stations. It

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<v Speaker 1>also includes cable and participating satellite systems. So now you've

0:21:43.160 --> 0:21:46.960
<v Speaker 1>got other methods of broadcast or or you know, other

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<v Speaker 1>methods of getting content over your television included in this.

0:21:50.200 --> 0:21:54.480
<v Speaker 1>So that way, if a citizen is watching cable television

0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:57.800
<v Speaker 1>or something on satellite TV, they could still have access

0:21:57.840 --> 0:22:02.080
<v Speaker 1>to an emergency message because clearly, you know, you don't

0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:04.720
<v Speaker 1>want to leave everybody out. As as people have more

0:22:04.720 --> 0:22:07.639
<v Speaker 1>and more ways of watching stuff, it's harder to reach

0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:11.040
<v Speaker 1>them in a centralized way. Yeah, these these systems were

0:22:11.080 --> 0:22:14.760
<v Speaker 1>developed to run on AM and FM radio and the

0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:17.840
<v Speaker 1>local broadcast stations. So now we've gone from in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States, UM, let's say, on average, probably three or

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<v Speaker 1>four regular network broadcast stations, maybe a couple independence in

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<v Speaker 1>the larger you know, larger cities, something in the ultra

0:22:29.240 --> 0:22:33.320
<v Speaker 1>high frequency. Yeah, you know, maybe six or six to

0:22:33.400 --> 0:22:36.119
<v Speaker 1>ten stations in big big markets. Um. Then you go

0:22:36.200 --> 0:22:40.840
<v Speaker 1>to dozens or even hundreds of stations now with cable

0:22:40.880 --> 0:22:44.639
<v Speaker 1>and satellite UM, you know, plus uh, you know the

0:22:44.760 --> 0:22:48.760
<v Speaker 1>radio stations which have exploded in number, um, satellite radio

0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:50.760
<v Speaker 1>and all the other media that we listen to. Now.

0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:53.480
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, the system, there's a lot of people, know,

0:22:53.560 --> 0:22:57.159
<v Speaker 1>the system needed to to evolve with that development, and

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<v Speaker 1>of course even now we're still we're already seeing a

0:23:00.320 --> 0:23:04.440
<v Speaker 1>need for that too, find another way of reaching people,

0:23:04.440 --> 0:23:07.200
<v Speaker 1>because as people start to use the Internet to get content,

0:23:07.400 --> 0:23:11.680
<v Speaker 1>now there's yet another avenue for information to get to them.

0:23:11.720 --> 0:23:14.359
<v Speaker 1>But you know, this system was not designed with that

0:23:14.400 --> 0:23:18.520
<v Speaker 1>in mind, so there's already another need coming out. Chris

0:23:18.560 --> 0:23:19.960
<v Speaker 1>and I have a bit more to say about the

0:23:20.000 --> 0:23:23.480
<v Speaker 1>emergency broadcast system, but first let's take another quick break.

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<v Speaker 1>The way it works now, the National Weather Service actually

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<v Speaker 1>has specific codes that they can attached to notices so

0:23:39.240 --> 0:23:43.119
<v Speaker 1>that those digital codes will send the message just to

0:23:43.280 --> 0:23:46.760
<v Speaker 1>the relevant regions. So that way, if there if the

0:23:46.840 --> 0:23:49.600
<v Speaker 1>National Weather Service detects that there's going to be you know,

0:23:49.960 --> 0:23:53.280
<v Speaker 1>a massive hurricane hitting the panhandle of Florida, it can

0:23:53.359 --> 0:23:59.879
<v Speaker 1>send an alert to say, Texas and Florida and you know, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama,

0:24:00.200 --> 0:24:04.280
<v Speaker 1>all those areas that could potentially be affected by heavy rains, winds,

0:24:04.320 --> 0:24:06.840
<v Speaker 1>that sort of stuff, and the rest of the nation

0:24:06.920 --> 0:24:10.320
<v Speaker 1>is unaffected, or even the rest you know, the rest

0:24:10.359 --> 0:24:12.520
<v Speaker 1>of certain states, like the northern part of the state

0:24:12.600 --> 0:24:15.959
<v Speaker 1>might not be affected because they're far enough away from

0:24:16.000 --> 0:24:17.679
<v Speaker 1>the coast where at least it's not gonna be an

0:24:17.680 --> 0:24:21.359
<v Speaker 1>immediate effect, they might not get the message either. Uh.

0:24:21.640 --> 0:24:23.800
<v Speaker 1>And it's so that the right information gets to the

0:24:23.840 --> 0:24:25.800
<v Speaker 1>right people. And it makes sense, you know, you don't

0:24:25.840 --> 0:24:28.320
<v Speaker 1>want to send out a message to the entire nation

0:24:28.600 --> 0:24:31.040
<v Speaker 1>that for something it's just going to affect a relatively

0:24:31.160 --> 0:24:35.680
<v Speaker 1>small um area of the nation as a whole. United

0:24:35.720 --> 0:24:40.200
<v Speaker 1>States is big, so uh, yeah, it was. It's something

0:24:40.240 --> 0:24:44.239
<v Speaker 1>that that has evolved over time. The and the other

0:24:44.280 --> 0:24:45.800
<v Speaker 1>thing I was going to talk about was what happened

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<v Speaker 1>on November nine. Yeah. Um, there is one sort of

0:24:49.920 --> 0:24:54.359
<v Speaker 1>interesting footnote UM to the the e B S ERA

0:24:54.480 --> 0:24:59.359
<v Speaker 1>passing from to the e A S era. UM. E

0:24:59.480 --> 0:25:02.920
<v Speaker 1>B S was not activated during the September eleven, two

0:25:02.920 --> 0:25:06.880
<v Speaker 1>thousand and one attacks. Um, which is kind of interesting

0:25:07.480 --> 0:25:10.040
<v Speaker 1>that they chose not to do, uh to use the

0:25:10.040 --> 0:25:14.400
<v Speaker 1>alert at that time, particularly since the attacks affected multiple

0:25:14.640 --> 0:25:19.200
<v Speaker 1>targets in multiple cities. So it is would have affected

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<v Speaker 1>even more had not the flight in Pennsylvania gone down.

0:25:24.480 --> 0:25:27.920
<v Speaker 1>So just just sort of an interesting footnote there. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But Yes, on November nine, uh, the e A S

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<v Speaker 1>made its debut. Yeah, and the system had been in place,

0:25:36.440 --> 0:25:42.000
<v Speaker 1>but what happened was because the system was fail the

0:25:42.080 --> 0:25:44.160
<v Speaker 1>E A S was actually what would have been used

0:25:44.320 --> 0:25:48.320
<v Speaker 1>in September eleven, right, So, so on November what happened

0:25:48.359 --> 0:25:51.520
<v Speaker 1>was it was tested nationally and this was the first

0:25:51.600 --> 0:25:54.879
<v Speaker 1>time any of these systems had ever been tested on

0:25:54.920 --> 0:26:00.400
<v Speaker 1>a national level, meaning that every participating station was going

0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:05.320
<v Speaker 1>to display the test at the same time, and that

0:26:05.440 --> 0:26:07.679
<v Speaker 1>time was going to be UM. It was two pm

0:26:07.680 --> 0:26:12.359
<v Speaker 1>Eastern for on November, which means that if you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know about it ahead of time and you turned on

0:26:14.320 --> 0:26:16.840
<v Speaker 1>your television, you would see this alert and you think, oh,

0:26:16.880 --> 0:26:18.920
<v Speaker 1>this is irritating this that one of those stupid tests.

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<v Speaker 1>Change the channel and that alert is still going and

0:26:21.560 --> 0:26:24.840
<v Speaker 1>it's going on this ocean. Oh, this is something. And

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<v Speaker 1>so there were a lot of messages that were sent

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<v Speaker 1>out before two pm November to let people know, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>this is gonna happen. Don't worry, the zombies aren't here yet,

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<v Speaker 1>right or whatever other national emergency you might be able

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<v Speaker 1>to conjure up in your mind. I just cannot imagine

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<v Speaker 1>a national emergency at this point that does not involve zombies,

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<v Speaker 1>right right, Well, there are According to the Christian Science

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<v Speaker 1>Monitor UM, there were fourteen thousand and more broadcast stations,

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<v Speaker 1>both for TV and radio plus more than uh ten

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<v Speaker 1>thousand cable TV station So this is all being done

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time. UM. And uh, it's able to

0:27:06.520 --> 0:27:09.480
<v Speaker 1>reach a lot more people. But they're already talking about

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<v Speaker 1>how they can reach people via text message and in

0:27:13.800 --> 0:27:17.840
<v Speaker 1>other locations. UM. You know, they're they're already talking again

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<v Speaker 1>about how they can improve this this system to make

0:27:21.119 --> 0:27:26.320
<v Speaker 1>it reach more people. UM, which is uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of funny since it probably reaches more now than

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<v Speaker 1>it ever has before. UM. But I can imagine that

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<v Speaker 1>to improve it's going to do things like promoted tweets. Yeah, yeah,

0:27:37.760 --> 0:27:41.239
<v Speaker 1>well there you laugh. But I can easily imagine that.

0:27:41.400 --> 0:27:44.000
<v Speaker 1>It's just you know, and I absolutely see it. Um

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<v Speaker 1>and it Uh. It's also important to to realize that

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<v Speaker 1>this does more than just announced state an attack like

0:27:50.800 --> 0:27:54.040
<v Speaker 1>connal rad would. Um. There are more than I believe

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<v Speaker 1>eighty different kinds of messages they can use. The e

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<v Speaker 1>A s were including things like childhood abduction alerts seen those, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>And here here in Atlanta, we have a highway that

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<v Speaker 1>goes around the outside of the city known as the

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<v Speaker 1>Perimeter Obvious Reasons Highway or Interstate eighty five, and there

0:28:13.440 --> 0:28:15.800
<v Speaker 1>are electronic signs that they can use a lot of

0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:18.920
<v Speaker 1>a lot of times you'll see stuff like, well, there's

0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:21.359
<v Speaker 1>a traffic up ahead, or be you know, be aware

0:28:21.400 --> 0:28:25.960
<v Speaker 1>there's an accident, um. But they also use this messaging

0:28:26.040 --> 0:28:28.280
<v Speaker 1>on those signs as well. So that's a way for

0:28:28.440 --> 0:28:31.399
<v Speaker 1>people to uh, for the authorities to reach us with

0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:33.760
<v Speaker 1>these kinds of messages. On the side, note, how can

0:28:33.800 --> 0:28:38.280
<v Speaker 1>a highway that encircles a city that's all within one

0:28:38.360 --> 0:28:43.360
<v Speaker 1>state be an interstate? Jonathan, I'm just asking these are

0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:46.200
<v Speaker 1>questions that have that that happened in my head, and

0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:48.160
<v Speaker 1>I want to know why do you drive on a

0:28:48.240 --> 0:28:50.400
<v Speaker 1>parkway and parking and driveway? I also want to know

0:28:50.480 --> 0:28:52.800
<v Speaker 1>that I don't name these things, I just report them.

0:28:52.840 --> 0:28:55.360
<v Speaker 1>If our legs bent backwards, what would a chair look like?

0:28:56.880 --> 0:29:00.360
<v Speaker 1>What if there were no hypothetical questions? Oh that's terrible,

0:29:00.360 --> 0:29:03.520
<v Speaker 1>all right, So now now that we've totally killed that.

0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:06.920
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, the the ass is supposed to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to turn on certain types of radios and TVs and

0:29:11.560 --> 0:29:16.760
<v Speaker 1>other devices to allow people to receive these emergency messages,

0:29:17.360 --> 0:29:20.320
<v Speaker 1>which of course will inspire many people to go you know,

0:29:20.680 --> 0:29:24.880
<v Speaker 1>the government is trying to take over our world, um,

0:29:24.920 --> 0:29:26.880
<v Speaker 1>which is all right for them to say, I suppose,

0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:29.480
<v Speaker 1>but um, yeah, I mean they're they're ways for for

0:29:30.400 --> 0:29:32.840
<v Speaker 1>them to reach us in to let us know if

0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:37.000
<v Speaker 1>there's something important that we should be aware of. Um.

0:29:37.040 --> 0:29:39.560
<v Speaker 1>So you know, it really has involved quite a bit

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<v Speaker 1>since the nine fifties when the first system was put

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<v Speaker 1>into place, and similar systems to this are in place

0:29:46.040 --> 0:29:48.960
<v Speaker 1>in other countries around the world. We specifically focus on

0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:52.280
<v Speaker 1>this one because it's the country we live in. So again,

0:29:52.440 --> 0:29:55.560
<v Speaker 1>apologies to all of our listeners overseas. Hopefully this was

0:29:55.600 --> 0:29:58.720
<v Speaker 1>interesting to you, just on on the level of how

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<v Speaker 1>do you take something as simple in in concept as

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<v Speaker 1>getting a message out? How do you take that and

0:30:07.240 --> 0:30:10.760
<v Speaker 1>then apply it to a very complex world. And Uh,

0:30:10.800 --> 0:30:13.680
<v Speaker 1>it's an interesting approach. It's not necessarily the best one either.

0:30:13.720 --> 0:30:16.520
<v Speaker 1>There may be other approaches that would be um that

0:30:16.600 --> 0:30:19.959
<v Speaker 1>would be more efficient and more effective than the emergency

0:30:20.000 --> 0:30:23.760
<v Speaker 1>alert system, but you know, that's what we have. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you guys live in a country that has a

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<v Speaker 1>similar system but it works on a different way, let

0:30:29.280 --> 0:30:31.240
<v Speaker 1>us know, tell us tell us about it, you know,

0:30:31.320 --> 0:30:33.239
<v Speaker 1>if you're familiar with that kind of thing, because I

0:30:33.280 --> 0:30:36.280
<v Speaker 1>find it really interesting. I mean, it's a very important concept.

0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:38.600
<v Speaker 1>And it's, like I said, this is not the only

0:30:38.600 --> 0:30:40.719
<v Speaker 1>way to get it to work. Yeah, and it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>a challenge to reach that many people UM in a

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<v Speaker 1>in a very short time to let them know that

0:30:46.200 --> 0:30:48.719
<v Speaker 1>there's something big and important that they need to know

0:30:48.800 --> 0:30:51.520
<v Speaker 1>it's a matter of public safety or a public concern.

0:30:51.600 --> 0:30:54.440
<v Speaker 1>We've definitely come a long way from a guy on

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<v Speaker 1>horseback writing yelling out the British are coming, the British

0:30:57.320 --> 0:31:01.320
<v Speaker 1>are coming, or or fetivities. Yeah, could you run these

0:31:01.320 --> 0:31:08.360
<v Speaker 1>twenty six miles right come on between marathonors? Yeah. And

0:31:08.400 --> 0:31:11.800
<v Speaker 1>if you are interested in uh in hearing the bits

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<v Speaker 1>about the the e B S accident um search for

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<v Speaker 1>w O w O U e B S and you'll

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<v Speaker 1>probably come up with it pretty quickly. Um. The website

0:31:21.760 --> 0:31:25.280
<v Speaker 1>I mentioned before it is actually STL Radio dot net,

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<v Speaker 1>slash pages slash e B S accident dot htm. Well

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<v Speaker 1>that wraps up this discussion about emergency broadcast system and

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