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That was spectacular and by. 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:41.400 Arizona Cardinals podcast visit Azycardinals dot com slash podcast. 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:47.560 All Red Sea is rising up, dude, you're rising vision 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:49.920 Blurry Rage take you over. 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:53.800 Here's Paul CALVICI I'm ready. I'm one hundred percent ready. 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:55.320 I'm telling you, I'm ready. 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:56.400 And Ron Wolfley. 0:00:56.600 --> 0:00:58.440 It doesn't get any better than that. 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:05.000 The fjeld All right, Henrywind for a minute. Going into 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:08.600 this draft, how did most of the analysts sum up 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:16.759 this year's class? Starters not stars? Was a popular refrain. 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:21.160 Don't tell the Arizona Cardinals they didn't draft a couple 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:25.199 of potential stars at number sixteen, at number forty seven, 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:27.240 and maybe this is a hot take, but maybe a 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:31.760 couple of potential starters in round four, in round six, 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:34.560 and we're here to talk about it and talk with 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:37.880 the Assistant GM Dave Sears tonight on the Big Red 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:41.600 Rage presented by Santan ford In Gilbert, Paul Calvici, here, 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:46.120 Ron Wolfley. They are talking twenty twenty five NFL Draft. 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:49.560 Oh my goodness, PAULI, how are you doing right now? 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:53.080 Can I tell you? I am jacked up? Thanks for asking, Paul. 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:57.240 I am jacked up right now because of the Arizona 0:01:57.280 --> 0:02:01.120 Cardinals picks, because of the draft, and because I think 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:04.640 they're going to be much better this year than a 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:05.600 lot of people think. 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:07.760 Well, if we don't have time for the greetings and 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:10.080 the salutations, Okay, it's our favorite time of year. Our 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:13.399 favorite hashtag is let the Rooks cook. And in three 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:17.359 drafts now Chef Monty has twenty eight picks in three years, 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:20.560 and right now every one of them is still on 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:22.959 the roster. And before we get into the first round 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:25.520 pick and beyond, before we hear from Dave Sears, I 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:28.240 want to ask you just the competition level, what is 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:30.280 that going to do? For Cardinals camp. Look at the 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:32.520 depth chart. Look at how much deeper it is. Because 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:34.440 if there is one way to motivate in the NFL 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:37.440 and you played ten years, you tell me it's job security. 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:39.760 And there're gonna be some really good dudes who don't 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:41.560 end up on the final fifty three this year. 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:44.200 Oh yeah, Pauli, there's no doubt about it. You know, 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:48.440 once again, one's a point, two's a trend, three's a pattern. 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:51.520 You look at the last two drafts from the Arizona 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:53.960 Cardinals that Manti ausin Fort and the staff of the 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:57.920 Arizona Cardinals have picked. One's a point, two's a trend. 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:02.079 Three's a pattern. Man. There are fourteen guys on this 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:05.280 roster that are only two years into the league that 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:08.560 are either starters for the Arizona Cardinals or in a 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:13.160 heavy rotation getting reps on a game day. Because of that, 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:17.919 paul it's amazing. If the Arizona Cardinals nailed Draft number 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:22.200 three the way that I think they have, it's going 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:25.400 to be a pattern now for the Arizona Cardinals. And 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:30.160 because of that draft that happened three years ago. Because 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:33.920 of that, Pauli, and now the draft that happened last year, 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:36.960 and then this year's draft. You put those three together, 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:43.960 the competition level for the Arizona Cardinals in all three phases, offensively, defensively, 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:48.080 and in transition has skyrocketed. To your point, Paul, and. 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:50.160 I don't know if this is a point or a 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:52.160 pattern or a trend or whatever you call it. We'll 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:56.720 put in the fifteen drafts before monti ascin fort the 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:59.320 Arizona Cardinals in the first two rounds drafted a total 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:03.440 of two defensive linemen and two defensive linemen. That's over 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:07.320 fifteen drafts in the first two rounds. We're talking DJ Jumpries, 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:10.920 Johnathan Cooper, We're talking Robert KIMDCI, Dan Williams. They have 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:14.640 already taken three three first round offensive or defensive lineman 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:19.880 through three drafts, including most recently Walter Nolan at number sixteen. 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:22.719 And here's MANIASA. Ford on what separated Walt from the 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:23.400 rest of the pack. 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:26.600 Disruption And you know, I think you know, we've talked 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:28.440 about it a lot. You know, we wanted to get 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:31.560 more have a more disruptive defensive unit. We think we've 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:34.480 added players that can help us do that. And again, 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:36.920 like when we find a players that can affect the 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:39.200 middle of the pocket. It puts a lot of stress 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:42.200 on the offense. And so Walter is another guy that 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:43.880 we think can do that, can help us do that, 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:46.040 and we're really excited to add him to our team. 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:49.720 Doesn't even turn twenty two until October. Walter Nolan first 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:53.800 Team All American, number one high school recruit. What else 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:56.120 stands about out about the ole Miss All American? 0:04:56.920 --> 0:04:59.440 Yeah, you know, for me, once again, the first question 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:01.200 I have Paul, he is where you're gonna play him? 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:04.680 Where you're gonna play Walter Nolan right now? Just like 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:09.200 Darius Robinson. Darius Robinson, we were talking about this last year. 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:12.279 He could play anywhere across the front. You could literally 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:14.839 line him up on the center, or you could have 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:19.080 him stand out in a wide nine. You could literally 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:21.720 have him do that, and I think that he would 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:24.880 be able to hold up, especially based on the down 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:28.560 and distance. I think Walter Nolan is in the exact 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:32.679 same category as Darius Robinson. I think he's a little 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:35.560 quicker on that first step. I think he's got an 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:39.680 excellent first step, very explosive. Yet at the same time, 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:42.920 where Walter Nolan is going to play and where Darius 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:45.680 Robinson is going to play. That's going to be interesting 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.080 because they could be anywhere across the front. 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:49.920 Paul, you know what, note to self. We're gonna ask 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:52.400 Dave Sears about that coming up the assistant GM right now, 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:55.279 let's hear from Adrian Wilson, Cardinals cover too. Yes, the 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:58.680 former Cardinals legend who has spent the last decade in 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:01.599 an NFL front office. And here was his comp for 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:02.360 Walter Nolan. 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:04.919 It reminds me so much a docket. You know, Darnelle 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:08.200 was an undersized three technique. You know, he was two 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:11.520 ninety two ninety five, you know, at best. So you know, 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:14.320 having a guy that was quick, that could penetrate, that 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:16.479 can affect the interior of the pocket like it just 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:19.880 helps your outside rushers out so much like you're their 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:23.240 best friend because you're able to get penetration from the 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:25.200 inside to get that quarterback off the spot. 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:26.600 And Doc was nasty. 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:27.720 He was real nasty. 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:30.320 And what's interesting is and we had a chance to 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:33.400 talk to Walter Nolan one on one. He's a soft spoken, 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:36.919 quiet guy, but he also admits he flips the switch 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:41.240 on game day. He is a really hyper competitive dude. 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:44.240 On game day and Wolf, you know, we sort of 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:46.360 made the joke who won the NFL Draft. The media 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:49.400 always likes to pick teams. We picked a person. Nick 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:52.599 Rowlis won the NFL draft. You know, he first five 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:57.080 picks on defensive players. And what happens to this Cardinals defense? 0:06:57.080 --> 0:06:59.839 If they can truly only rush four instead of having 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:03.040 this scheme it up, we're just better than you upfront. 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:05.080 I mean that just changes the defense, doesn't it. 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:08.040 It just changes everything, Bully. I mean, it's exactly what 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:10.440 you want. But you want the best of both worlds. 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:13.400 If we can still scheme it up, that's great too 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:16.000 from time to time. You just don't want to have 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:18.320 to depend on it to get pressure. If you can 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:21.240 rush for and drop seven, as you know, Baly, this 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:25.080 is huge for any defensive coordinator and any defensive You 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:28.360 can rush forward, get pressure on that quarterback and drop seven, 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:31.200 you got a huge advantage right now. What I loved 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:37.000 about this draft the first four picks, in particular, defensive tackle, 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:42.000 an interior three technique, then a corner, then an outside 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:45.640 edge guy in Jordan Birch, and then Cody Simon an 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:51.160 inside linebacker. Four different positions on different levels and man, 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:53.600 this is what's got me so excited. I think the 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:57.960 defensive line of scrimmage has improved so much. And I'm 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:01.600 not talking about just these drafts because you know, PAULI, 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:04.840 a rookie's got to prove it. He's got a long way. Yeah, 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:06.920 you gotta climb that hill and you've got to prove 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:10.720 that you can actually do it. But right now, looking 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:14.280 at the line of scrimmage defensively and the names that 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:17.640 they already have on the line of scrimmage, this is 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:21.400 this is going to be the most competitive room on 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:22.440 the entire team. 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:25.520 So to your point about Daris Robinson and Walter Nolan, 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:28.880 the third now Drew stan RedSea report former Cardinals quarterback, 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:30.360 said you know what, I take either one of those 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:32.880 guys or both and put him at the three technique 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:35.160 on the outside shoulder of the guard. He said, that's 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:36.959 where I think they're going to be the biggest headache, 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:40.080 cause the most problems. It's most difficult for an offense 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:43.400 to give help and slide over some extra attention that way. 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:46.280 And I kept talking about, you know, rushing the passer 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:49.120 with four and then Drew said, no, it goes beyond that. 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:51.959 The Super Bowl ask Patrick Mahomes what that feels like. 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:54.560 They don't have four rush and seven are now in coverage, 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:57.240 and you can change coverage right, You can drop safeties in, 0:08:57.320 --> 0:08:59.960 you can insert and do different stuff. It gives it 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:03.520 an extreme advantage to the defense when you don't have 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:05.840 to bring more guys to the party than you need. 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:08.960 As a true quarterback, your eyes have to be on 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:11.839 that second and third level. You can't watch the rush 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:13.960 and play in this league. You can be the greatest 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:17.360 quarterback of all time. And if you consistently are getting hit, 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:19.760 all of a sudden you start looking around. Those eyes drop. 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:23.120 You're chasing ghosts. Your accuracy is affected. There is no 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:25.600 replacement for being able to get pressure with four. 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:28.520 I mean a year ago at the end of the season, 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:30.920 you had Nae Kwon Jones, and you had some other 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:33.800 guys like off the practice squad that right now Wolf, 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:39.400 that defensive line, Darius Robinson, Walter Nolan, Dalvin Tomlinson, Koleis Campbell, 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:42.920 Justin Jones, Blall Nickels back from injury. Stop it, Dante 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:46.600 Still's LJ. Collier. That's eight stop it. That's eight dudes 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:47.240 who can play. 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:51.199 It's incredible. Paul It really is. And again the defensive 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:55.360 line of scrimmage. It impacts the second and third levels 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:58.559 so much, Paul, by getting that pressure on a quarterback, 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:01.560 by making them a little bit inaccurate because you're in 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:03.640 his face and he doesn't be able to he's not 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:06.080 able to release the ball the way that he wants to. 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:09.959 It's so important. It impacts a second and third level. 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:14.280 And that's why Will Johnson, who's got a great mind, 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:18.200 This is a quarterback like Everson Walls, who is gonna clue. 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:20.760 He looks at the quarterback and play in his own room, 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:24.959 whether it's cover four, quarter coverage cover three, whatever it is. 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:29.840 Will Johnson is great at jumping, combination routes and picking 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:32.360 off the football. And if you can get pressure on 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:35.400 a quarterback, that's gonna make Will Johnson that much better. 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:38.160 Hey, learn more about arizon A Cardinal season tickets, Premium 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:40.720 seating group and luxury field seating. All you have to 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:44.640 do go to Azycardinals dot com slash tickets all Right, 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:47.680 Cardinals user first five picks on defensive players for the 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:52.120 first time since nineteen ninety one. How and why we 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:55.000 ask the assistant GM Dave Sears next, on the Big 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:58.360 red rage presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert. 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:05.280 Walter Nolan number two in blue you cannot miss him 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:09.840 explodes off that line comes on the ground, Sellers buffled 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:10.800 it and all. 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:12.040 This jumped on. 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:16.559 It's recovered by Nolan. Seller's in trouble head and sack 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:19.400 back at the forty two by Nolan, tumbled up by 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:20.320 Walter Nolan. 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:23.160 Boy Walter Nolan with a sack. 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:26.040 A fuffle recovery and a tackle for long play by 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:28.680 Nolan to grab him at the ankles and sack them. 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:31.120 This is why so many people talked about what his 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:33.000 presence could be to Wall's out. 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:35.480 At the end of the plot here and all miss 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:42.800 has recovered, Walter Nolan has the puffle. Walter Nolan tackle 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:46.479 for lost total scream not alone of scrimmage. 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:49.400 Walter Nolan is everyone. 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:53.040 That's the first team All American and first round pick 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:55.959 Walter Nolan in the Arizona Cardinals. Even heard the voice 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:58.600 of the Cardinals Dave Passion there as well. Not gonna 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:02.080 be a big transition for the ESPN guy college Football 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:06.360 to start calling his NFL games. Walter Nolan. In fact, 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:09.560 last we saw and heard our guest here on the 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:12.200 big red rage. He was on the Pasch pod, but 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:14.400 what is becoming a bit of a tradition post draft. 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:17.079 We are joined by Assistant general manager Dave Sears, and 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:20.640 Dave welcome. I'm a little apprehensive considering the way this 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:24.319 week started and Bill's GM Brandon being going after a 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:26.280 couple of radio hosts in Buffalo. You know what you know? 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:28.880 Are there any grievances that need to be aired on 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:29.480 your end of all? 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:29.560 All? 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:31.080 Listen, I'm not going to take any crap from you 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:33.760 the Paul, So let's just get that out there right now. Hey, 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:35.600 I appreciate you having me on here. 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:38.120 Speaking to the media. Let's be honest, all right, we're 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:41.400 in the Will Ferrell trust tree here. When you guys 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:43.319 need a good laugh, right when you're doing the grind 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:44.880 leading up to the draft and you're up in the 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:46.679 draft room, do you just pull out a mock draft? 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:48.960 Is that a good Do you guys just mock the 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:50.120 mock drafts along the way? 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:50.400 Yeah? 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:53.600 You know, we do do some exercises pre draft process 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:57.080 where we'll incorporate some of the mock drafts. Our analytics guys, 0:12:57.160 --> 0:12:59.800 Nick Tyas, Joe andrewsy do a ton of mock draft simulations. 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:02.520 So we do have a pretty good feel according to 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:04.800 the quote unquote experts, how they think it's going to 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:08.440 come off. We have some adress where we put up 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:09.920 how we think it's going to come off. How do 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:12.400 those things correlate, just to give you an idea of 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:14.120 what you're really going to be faced with when you're 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:17.120 on the clock. So there shouldn't be any surprises. A 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:20.880 couple of scenarios worked out very similarly to the way 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:23.840 we had it planned out, and then you know, as 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:26.319 the picks come off and then suddenly it diverges from 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:28.000 what you were thinking it might be, then you adjust 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:30.920 to that. So you do go through those exercises quite 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:31.199 a bit. 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:34.000 You know, the media likes to declare at this point 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:37.640 who won the draft. Our answer is Nick Rolis, Cardinals 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:40.200 defensive coordinator. At this point, let's just start with some 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:42.800 of his guys, Walter Nolan. You know, look, we can 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:45.000 see the stats, we can see the accolades. What did 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:45.839 you see on film? 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:49.960 Well, you see an explosive athlete who plays very hard, 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:53.520 who's a violent, aggressive player, a guy that can launch 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:55.680 off the ball, he can reset the line of scrimmage, 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:57.280 he can do everything we're going to ask him to do. 0:13:57.400 --> 0:13:59.120 He has some versatility to play up and down the 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:00.959 line for probably a five all the way to a zero, 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:05.960 and a guy that really hasn't maximized yet. We still 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:09.040 think there's a good upside to the player, but you know, 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:11.880 fits the scheme and he's a violent, disruptive defensive lineman. 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:14.240 Yeah, it doesn't turn twenty two until October. 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:15.840 He's still a young kid. You know, this is a 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:18.520 guy who's the number one recruit in the country, I believe, 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:20.880 coming out of high school Texas A and M and 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:22.720 then Aunt Old Miss where he had a really good 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:25.080 year this year, end up playing in the Senior Bowl, 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:27.880 flashing down there. We had some very good interactions with 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:30.000 Walter at the Combine and then on his thirty visit, 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:32.520 so we were very comfortable with Walter the person, and 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:34.080 the tape speaks for itself. 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:34.640 I think. Yeah. 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:36.640 There was an opening line in the AP story and 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:39.120 it went something like this, the Arizona Cardinals weren't scared 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:43.080 to roll the dice and a few polarizing defensive prospects 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:46.200 Will Johnson. I think you know the injuries, So for 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:49.880 do you consider this Will roll of the dice? Walter Nolan, 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:51.800 Will Johnson, and then we'll get to Jordan Birch. 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:54.480 But yeah, well, I mean, you're not rolling the dice 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:57.440 on Walter's talent. I'm not sure where that assumption would 0:14:57.480 --> 0:14:59.120 come from. And Walter's tape is not a roll of 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:00.760 the dice, So I don't I don't really see it 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:03.480 that way. I think there's probably a little bit of 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:08.800 media misinformation about Walter the person. Sometimes that happens in 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:11.360 the draft pross. But we spent enough time with Walter 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:13.880 to feel very comfortable with him, so it's not a 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:17.880 roll of dice for us, you know. And with Will again, like, 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:20.240 this is a guy that's a true junior. He's a 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:23.560 three time All American. He's got the Michigan record for 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:28.040 pick sixes. He was a defensive MVP the National Championship game. 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:29.920 I mean, every time he turned on the tape, the 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:32.880 guy's playing good ball. You know, his father was a 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:35.560 player at Michigan at DBI. He's a well regarded trainer 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:38.880 in the Detroit area. So like, this is about as 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:40.840 clean a player as you can find in terms of 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:43.240 his skill set and his production. There were some injuries 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:47.160 with Will, but nothing we thought was that he couldn't overcome. 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:49.040 Or we can't manage. So we were excited about Will being. 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:49.480 There for sure. 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:52.440 Cardinals assistant GM Dave Sears our guest, at what point 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:55.200 do you think, Wow, Will Johnson might make it to 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:56.560 forty seven. 0:15:57.120 --> 0:16:00.600 At pick forty six? You know, we never thought that 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:02.040 guy was going to be there. Really never thought that 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:03.240 guy was going to be there. So that was one 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:05.040 of the ones where you heard many talk a lot 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:07.760 post draft about sticking to your board. That's a clear 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:09.880 case of that Will was obviously the best player that 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:12.360 we had on the board at that time. We never 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:14.280 thought Will would be there at that point, and so 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:16.040 you know, you stay with your board and you take the. 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:18.320 Prospect and Money also mentioned the phones were lighting up, 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:20.280 there were opportunities to trade down. I'm guessing there was 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:21.720 a lot of interest, a lot of demand at that 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:22.560 point for your pick. 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:24.720 Yeah, and whether that's for Will or for somebody else, 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:25.200 you never know. 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:25.720 You know. 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:28.160 The thing that I think when you talk about the 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:30.680 mock drafse, well, the mock drafts grade you off how 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:32.760 they had their board stacked and how you drafted according 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:35.880 to their experts board. Well, there's thirty two teams and 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:37.840 I've been on a lot of different places. There's thirty 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:40.840 two different boards. So a guy that we think is 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:43.200 coming off a little early, that team thinks, hey, we 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:44.400 got to move up and take this guy. 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:44.640 You know. 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:47.240 So everybody sees it a little bit different. And you 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:49.240 can see that based off some of the moves teams make. 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:51.400 They feel like that's a player they need to move 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:53.440 up and get, or a player you can trade back 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:56.720 and get the same value later. So yeah, we did 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:59.200 not expect Will to be there, but we felt great 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:00.000 about it when it happened. 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:02.840 Two words have seen attached to Jordan Birch right the 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:06.479 round three edge out of Oregon, jumbo athlete and all 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:08.840 you can do is watch his fake punt at six' 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:11.399 four what two to eighty and he looks Like Dereck 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:13.680 henry racing down the. Field what do you have in? 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:13.960 Him? 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:16.520 Oh, Yeah jordan's a very athletic. Guy he's a guy 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:18.639 THAT i, think you, know he's two seventy nine at the, 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:20.520 combine basically two. EIGHTY i don't think there was another 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:22.080 player two eighty and up that ran in the four 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:24.000 sixes and his time was like four to six seven 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:27.280 on the. Combine watches so very athletic. Guy you see 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:29.080 that he looks like a running back on that fake, 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:32.359 punt certainly at least a tight. End and he's played 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:34.360 anywhere from in the two nineties to in the two. 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:36.560 Seventies he can lose, weight he can gain, weight he 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:38.240 can play, inside he can play on the. Edge we're 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:40.320 going to play him on the, edge so we see 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:43.240 him somewhere more in the two. Seventies but versatile player 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:46.040 really like the. Athlete he can rush the, passer he 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:48.240 can do it on multitude of, ways and he's very 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:50.200 firm at the point setting an. Edge so we're excited About. 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:53.360 Jordan that's another guy that we really stayed with our board. 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:54.840 There we were not sure that he would be there 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:55.280 at seventy. 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:58.320 Eight, yeah and you mentioned that because obviously it's we 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:01.440 sort of, Joked, okay put This cardinals defensive front an 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:06.000 HD tv right extreme. MAKEOVER i, mean it's unbelievable how 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:09.480 different it. Looks refresh our. Memory how many edge and 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:12.120 defensive linemen can you carry on a final fifty? Three 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:13.520 and how competitive is it going to? 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:16.159 Be starting With cardinals, Camp, Well i'm pretty sure we 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:19.119 carried six out of. Camp the last two, YEARS i, 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:22.080 think and so we usually take eight to. Camp we 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:23.960 might have had nine at one point during our first. 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:27.119 Year but any three four, defense the outside linebacker position 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:30.680 is basically the engine that runs the. Things so you're 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:33.240 going to keep excess of. Guys there also guys that 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:35.280 have roles on special. Teams you, know some of these 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:37.919 back end dudes in the outside back room are going 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:39.719 to have to earn roles on special. Teams that's going 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:42.040 to be their way to stick. Around and we think 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:44.920 all those guys contributed in that. Aspect they're all, tough 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:47.879 they're all, athletic they can all. Run but you, know 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:50.000 LIKE i, THINK mani used the, line you can never 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:51.800 have enough pass. Rushers, well that's what we're trying to 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:53.639 accumulate is just a bevy of guys that you can 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:55.800 roll in and. Out and we feel really good about 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:57.119