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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar Lazar everybody nailed it, joined us

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Speaker 2: That brings us to the final diet, the maybe isn't

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Speaker 2: a quarterback after all?

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Speaker 1: And talk about you said, yes, you were very fused.

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Speaker 1: We weren't going to talk about it. I said, I

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Speaker 1: wasn't gonna talk about it. Talk about it, Evan, talk

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Speaker 1: about it, talk about it.

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Speaker 2: So that's what we do here. We talk about everybody.

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Speaker 1: And because it's a fun storyline.

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Speaker 2: Stop It's still not a fun storyline. But what is

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Speaker 2: a fun storyline is the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: Alex look at that?

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Speaker 2: What a what an open. The Patriots reportedly hosting DeAndre Hopkins, Yes,

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Speaker 2: five time Pro Bowl wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins on a

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Speaker 2: free agency tour. He already has a meeting set up

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Speaker 2: with the Titans, and he's gonna come up here to

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Speaker 2: Foxborough after going down to Nashville, getting some getting some chicken,

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Speaker 2: some some barbecue. Then he comes up here. Where do

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Speaker 2: you take them? Where do you take them up here? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Well, I'd say the ground round if the ground round still.

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Speaker 2: Is Apparently the ground round closes, The ground.

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Speaker 1: Round closes, exactly. You get the popcorn and drawing the

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Speaker 1: tables love the ground round.

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Speaker 2: The ground round closes.

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of insulted you to even ask, how do

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Speaker 1: you take them the ground round?

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Speaker 2: I mean, the ground round doesn't exist anymore.

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Speaker 1: I think some of them do, but no, I've looked

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Speaker 2: He's shaking his head.

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Speaker 1: Now, they still exist in like the Midwest. Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: this isn't the Midwest. If you have to pay, That's

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Speaker 1: what I said. They still exist, not hitch.

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Speaker 2: DeAndre Hopkins on coming to the Patriots. He likes a

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Speaker 2: nice dinner. Let's let's call it. We're not We're not

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Speaker 2: gonna put a specific cuisine on it. It could be anything.

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Speaker 2: Where are you taking.

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Speaker 1: Them, by the way, the closest, Oh, there is still

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Speaker 1: one in Maine. You could take them to Maine. Okay,

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Speaker 1: there's still ground around in Maine. Well, I mean this

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Speaker 1: is it's recruiting, right and bill O Brian was just

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Speaker 1: Does DeAndre Hopkins like a good steak? Does he like

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Speaker 1: seafood like Mexican food, right, Italian. You gotta know these things.

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Speaker 2: You gotta know.

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Speaker 1: That's how you sell them, that's what you do.

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Speaker 2: I feel like the the and and please do not

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Speaker 2: stake this out Patriots fans, but I feel like Davio's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's the easy one. Let's hear. Although, so

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Speaker 1: I just found this. DeAndre Hopkins did a Q and

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Speaker 1: is turkey lasagna with Marinera sauce. I feel like that's

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Speaker 1: something Davio's could No, you go North End, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: I don't like Italian food, Italians using turkey.

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Speaker 2: That's a good point. Unless North End. Maybe we go

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Speaker 1: Seems like there's some other interviewers where he talks about

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Speaker 2: But Alex barth Evan Lazar Patriots Catch twenty two with

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Speaker 2: talk Patriots OTA's We just came off the practice field.

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Speaker 2: Nothing really amazing or concrete to glean from what happened

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Speaker 2: didn't know, the Patriots and DeAndre Hopkins have reportedly put

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Speaker 2: And that's why we're talking about where we're gonna take him,

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people think, oh, well, why

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Speaker 2: But I do think it's important to actually listen to

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Speaker 1: He's and let me just add, Yeah, the quote you're

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Speaker 1: and obviously people's opinions change over time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so here's what here's the short version of it,

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Speaker 2: Great management, a QB who loves the game, and a

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Speaker 1: I don't need to like, right, Yeah, Like he literally said,

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Speaker 2: Yes, So he needs a quarterback who loves the game.

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Speaker 2: And I don't want to make a whole thing about

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Speaker 2: if you want a quarterback who loves the game and

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Speaker 1: Well, it's also, I mean even more simple than that.

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Speaker 1: I remember when we asked him whatever it was last week,

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Speaker 2: there the media there's grousing about Bill Belichick. Right, it's

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Speaker 1: Well, so that's the thing. Could Bill Belichick retire, that's possible,

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Speaker 1: It's so I I would still check it. Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: That's the question I still think, and also just based

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Speaker 1: So that's that's a good point. You can kind of

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Speaker 2: That there's a mutual admiration there for sure, or a

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Speaker 1: But I actually know but that would even be all right,

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Speaker 1: If he goes to Bill and says, hey, are you

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Speaker 2: That I'm checking the box.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that there's a world where DeAndre Hopkins

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Speaker 1: Does I agree with you because this is gonna be

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Speaker 2: Maybe, So let's just say that box checked on that

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Speaker 1: Whether that box is emphatically checked, emphatically checked.

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Speaker 2: And I also want to preface that with some of

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Speaker 1: Well before they do that, I just want to say

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Speaker 2: But I think great defense for Hopkins came from the

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Speaker 1: No, I get that, I'm saying, I wonder why he

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people and this. I do

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Speaker 1: Do you think this is like podcast host DeAndre Hopkins

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Speaker 2: Correct?

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Speaker 1: Like, is he good? Is he actually? Because I hear that,

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, so he doesn't respect corners. He it's something

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Speaker 1: You wouldn't be interested if Matthew Judan was like, you know,

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Speaker 2: He said this is what I look like, these are

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Speaker 1: But that's why I'm saying it was such an interesting

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Speaker 2: I think he brought up the defensive line again because

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Speaker 1: So this is what I'm saying. You have an offensive

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Speaker 1: find that interesting, Okay, And yet that would be interested

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Speaker 2: This is this is classic. Can we get back to

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Speaker 2: the movies? Go ahead? The main point is that to

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Speaker 2: And if the money is there from the New England

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Speaker 2: with all of it is does he get out of

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Speaker 2: Does he get out of Tennessee to come to New

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Speaker 2: he's never been a free agent in his career. So

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Speaker 2: I think he wants. He wants to be wooed, he

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Speaker 2: I think that there's that element to it that he

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Speaker 2: But really, if everything is there and that's truly how

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Speaker 2: pretty good about this getting done. I'm not saying don't

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Speaker 1: But there's always a mystery team.

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Speaker 2: There's always a mystery team. That's fair. But I think

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Speaker 1: Well, just something on what you just said, though, I

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Speaker 2: I don't really understand it for the Titan Mike.

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Speaker 1: signed before he leaves the building. Yeah, and I agree.

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Speaker 1: If they don't get that done, the Patriots, who have

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Speaker 1: If the Patriots get him in the building, don't let

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Speaker 1: I'll look at it. It's either a yes or a no. Yeah, Right,

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Speaker 2: Sure, And so with the football side of it, there's

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Speaker 2: there's a I think a third rung of this of Okay,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna tackle all three of those things. I want

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Speaker 2: to start with. DeAndre Hopkins's a football fit. Well, he

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Speaker 2: don't think quite in terms of his ability to really

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Speaker 2: by like a couple of yards, right, Like, Hopkins had

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Speaker 2: So you're talking about a player that, even in a

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Speaker 1: So from Week seven when Hopkins came back from the suspension,

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Speaker 1: If you extrapolate Hawkins numbers from last year out to

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm trying. This what whenever Wes Welker comes

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Speaker 1: This is why I try to tell people he don't

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Speaker 1: We had this conversation during the part that I say

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Speaker 1: I said, we got to get mosson. He said he isn't.

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Speaker 1: He didn't play here long enough. I would rather have

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Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah touchdowns. The six touchdowns last time at Patriots.

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Speaker 1: No, Brandon Cooks had seven touchdowns in twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 2: That makes sense.

438
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Speaker 1: So twenty seventeen was the last time I picks wide receiver.

439
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Speaker 1: This touchdowns, that's abe at six last yeary time.

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Speaker 2: I think with the main thing with Hopkins as a player,

441
00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:03,600
Speaker 2: and I think a lot of people already probably know

442
00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,160
Speaker 2: a little bit about Hopkins as a player, since he's

443
00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,760
Speaker 2: been a star receiver for a decade in the NFL.

444
00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:13,760
Speaker 2: He Obviously he catches everything like that. That's the big thing.

445
00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,879
Speaker 2: His hands are ridiculous. He's got a great catch radius.

446
00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,960
Speaker 2: He's got great ability at the top of the route

447
00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,240
Speaker 2: to be physical and bump people off the coverage and

448
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:26,040
Speaker 2: also just out muscle guys at the catch point. That

449
00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:29,320
Speaker 2: That's always been Hopkins' game. The other thing that I

450
00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:33,080
Speaker 2: think gets really underrated about him is his route running ability.

451
00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,639
Speaker 2: And he subscribes and you can just tell by the

452
00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,960
Speaker 2: way that he plays that X receiver position he is.

453
00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,600
Speaker 2: Everything's a fade to a t, like his release. He

454
00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,880
Speaker 2: gets up the field and he makes it all look

455
00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,600
Speaker 2: the same and then he's gonna snap it off right, slant,

456
00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:52,719
Speaker 2: dig come back, back, shoulder fades like that's those are

457
00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,719
Speaker 2: the things that he likes to run. He wants to

458
00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,960
Speaker 2: really be at the first and second level of the defense. Really,

459
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,240
Speaker 2: the intermediate is where he eats a ton, but.

460
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Speaker 1: Which is the area of the field mac Jones.

461
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:07,960
Speaker 2: But he pushes it up the field first, right, and

462
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 2: that's what gets defensive backs on their toes, that's what

463
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,239
Speaker 2: gets the their hips flipped up the field, and then

464
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,240
Speaker 2: he can then go ahead and break it off. So

465
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Speaker 2: he's not he's a typical X receiver. He is slanted,

466
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:26,000
Speaker 2: he's dig he's a fade, he's a comeback, he's an out,

467
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,399
Speaker 2: he's a back shoulder right like that. He's just a

468
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:32,199
Speaker 2: typical X receiver. And I think with those elements to

469
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Speaker 2: his game, it almost to me, it almost like the

470
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Speaker 2: trickle down effect of it is almost as much as

471
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Speaker 2: the production itself that he brings to the table, because

472
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Speaker 2: I think what you see with a guy like that

473
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Speaker 2: in the building. First of all, he gets the number

474
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 2: one corner every week, and that means that Juju gets

475
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,359
Speaker 2: the number two corner, and then Taekwon get right like

476
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,440
Speaker 2: it just has a domino effect on the rest of

477
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Speaker 2: the offense. When you have somebody demanding a top coverage,

478
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Speaker 2: I do think that you might still tilt coverage at

479
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 2: times his direction. I'm not necessarily saying that he demands

480
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 2: a double team so much anymore. I don't think he's

481
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 2: that guy anymore, but I do think you have to

482
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 2: tilt it a little bit that way, and it just

483
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,639
Speaker 2: opens up a lot of the other options in this offense.

484
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,480
Speaker 2: You have Taekwon Thornton over the top, you have DeAndre

485
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,639
Speaker 2: Hopkins running the X routree on the outside, and then

486
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 2: Juju and the tight ends filling in the middle of

487
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Speaker 2: the field. That middle of the field is gonna be

488
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 2: a lot less condensed if you have somebody that can

489
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Speaker 2: win one on one on the outside, like a DeAndre

490
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Speaker 2: Hopkins can. So I actually look at it and say,

491
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Speaker 2: even if he only comes in here and has eight

492
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Speaker 2: hundred yards next year, and he has similar production to

493
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Speaker 2: even somebody like Devonte Parker, I think the trickle down

494
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 2: effect of opening it up for everybody else would be

495
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Speaker 2: a huge get for the Patriots. And that's where I've

496
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 2: always been on Hopkins. I'm not sure if he's the

497
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Speaker 2: fifteen hundred and thirteen hundred yard guy anymore, especially for

498
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Speaker 2: seventeen games. I think that that's asking a lot, expecting

499
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 2: a lot. But I know that when Philadelphia starts game

500
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 2: planning for the Patriots Week one, I know that Darius

501
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 2: Lay is gonna line up across from DeAndre Hopkins, and

502
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Speaker 2: I know that there are offensive coordinator or defensive coordinator

503
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 2: excuse me, I can't remember right now. Because Jonathan Gannon

504
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:21,360
Speaker 2: is the Cardinals coach, the defensive coordinator of the Eagles

505
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 2: is gonna have to talk about DeAndre Hopkins on Tuesdays.

506
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Speaker 1: Matt Patricia is gonna have to talk about DeAndre Hopkins

507
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 1: on today defensive assistant.

508
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Speaker 2: And that brings us back to our our old Tuesday

509
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 2: player thing, right, Like that's the one thing we've Yeah,

510
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 2: they got some nice pieces Taekwon, Thornton, Juju, Kendrick Bourne, Parker,

511
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 2: the tight ends, Marmandre Like nice pieces, they really do.

512
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 2: They don't have a Tuesday guy. And whether it's Sean yeah, okay,

513
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,679
Speaker 2: whether it's solely based off of reputation or not, I

514
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 2: still think Hopkins is a Tuesday guy. Yeah, oh yeah,

515
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 2: I still think you circle them. I still think you

516
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 2: have to worry about him every single week. And that's

517
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 2: really what the Patriots getting him so clearly. I mean

518
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 2: I've been all in on Hopkins for weeks now, especially

519
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 2: once the news came out that he was going to

520
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 2: get released. I think that that's the easiest way to

521
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 2: sum it up of why is just I think that

522
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 2: he's a true outside the numbers threat. I think Bill

523
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 2: O'Brien knows exactly how to use him, and I think

524
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Speaker 2: that it would probably mean that the passing offense as

525
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 2: a whole is going to produce a lot better even

526
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Speaker 2: if Hopkins individually doesn't go off, you know, even if

527
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 2: he doesn't have you know, some the seventeen game pace

528
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 2: that you that you always read out, Even if he

529
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 2: doesn't hit those numbers, the trickle down effect on the

530
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 2: rest of the offense, I think would really open things up.

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Speaker 2: So it's even.

532
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Speaker 1: And even if the numbers drop by twenty caller twenty

533
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 1: five percent regression, which is steep. Yeah, he's still a

534
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: ninety catch thousand yard receiver, which would be the best

535
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 1: season by Patriots wide receivers in settlement. Yeah, I'll give

536
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Speaker 1: you one more. Two. You talk about like the impact

537
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 1: on number one corners, because I've made that argument and

538
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: people say, oh great, he gets covered by the number

539
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,360
Speaker 1: one corner. Who's gonna blink him right now? A lot

540
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: of Patriots fans I'm not included in this group, are

541
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: all hot and bothered about the Miami Dolphins getting Jalen Ramsey. Yeah,

542
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: and oh no, Jalen Ramsey is so great and so

543
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: I wouldn't use this argument because I don't think Jalen

544
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: Ramsey's on this level. But DeAndre Hopkins last year against

545
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Speaker 1: the Rams, which is mostly I don't have the exact

546
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: breakdown on Jalen Ramsey, but Jayalen Ramsey covered him for

547
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: the heavy, heavy part of this game. Ten catches on

548
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: fourteen targets for ninety eight yards. That's what he did

549
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 1: to everybody's number one corner, Jalen Ramsey for a corner

550
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: I actually think is good. Marshaw Latimore so against the

551
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,479
Speaker 1: Saints ten for one oh three. Are there any other

552
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 1: elite corners on them?

553
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Speaker 2: I mean, he was extremely productive in the games he

554
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,959
Speaker 2: played last year, There's no question about that. I just

555
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 2: think that the the pecking order is established at that. Yeah,

556
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 2: you have you have a nice pecking order where well,

557
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 2: this is what everybody in the right spots have all.

558
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: These really good number two complimentary receivers, but everybody's playing

559
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 1: probably a spot above where they need to be. Is

560
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 1: like to use it to cross sports here for a second,

561
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 1: who is it a couple of years ago for the Celtics.

562
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: I think it was Marcus Smart was hurt and they

563
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 1: had Peyton Pritchard in the starting lineup. This was they

564
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 1: didn't have Derek White yet, but like everybody was basically

565
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: playing one spot ahead of where they should and the

566
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: Celtics are struggling and Marcus Smart came back, and it's

567
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: not like Marcus Smart totally flipped the switch for the Celtics,

568
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: but suddenly everybody was in the role they were supposed

569
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: to be and you weren't asking any one person to

570
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 1: do too much. Yeah, and everything just sort of clicked.

571
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: That's where the Patriots wide receivers are at. You're gonna

572
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 1: look at it and say, well, you know, to want

573
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: to Partner struggled last year, or Taekwon, Thornton struggle last year,

574
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 1: Kendrick Borrne struggle last year. Why is that gonna change

575
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: just because of Hopkins. Well, now, because instead of getting

576
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 1: number one coverage and instead of getting coverage that's shaded

577
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: over the top, all that's going to Hopkins. Now, all

578
00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: you're asking the rest of these guys to do is

579
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 1: win one on one, which I feel pretty confident. We'll

580
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: see what Thornton is but like if he hits the

581
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,719
Speaker 1: if he makes the leap, we expect him to make

582
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: from year one, year two, Thornton Parker Born and maybe

583
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: one of those guys isn't here if Hopkins is here.

584
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: But the point being those guys all should be able

585
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: to win one on one more often than not. We

586
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: know Jujus Smith Schuster can do that as well. Yeah,

587
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 1: they're not gonna get one on ones more often than

588
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: not without Hopkins here because it teams don't have to

589
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 1: worry about Hawkins when Hopkins in.

590
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 2: You set that all up right, And last year I

591
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 2: think a lot not you know, Jacoby had a good

592
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 2: season regardless, and given the situation, it was probably a

593
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 2: pretty good season considering. But last year, Jacoby got a

594
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 2: lot of that attention right, and it just didn't feel right.

595
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: It is, no, it's not. It's not a slight on Jacoby,

596
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 2: but it just it didn't feel teams were doing it

597
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 2: almost because they like, who else were they going to

598
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 2: do it to? Right, you know, like it was clearly

599
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 2: that Jacoby was the guy in terms of the volume.

600
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: But then I would even add to that. And then

601
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: what happened was, remember DeVante Parker had a couple of

602
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: big games there, and then all of a sudden they

603
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: started doing it to Devonte Parker and then they just

604
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 1: kind of it was very it that old he's the guy,

605
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 1: that old. Well, no, it's that old Patriots philosophy. If

606
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 1: we're gonna take away what you do best, it was

607
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 1: way too easy for teams to do that, and they

608
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 1: could just sort of rotate how they were doing that. Whereas,

609
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: all right, so your your focus coverage is on Devonte

610
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: Parker and Kendrick Bourne goes off two or three weeks

611
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: in a row, and then all of a sudden, you're

612
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 1: in that Tuesday meeting and wow, Kendrick Bourne is four

613
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: hundred yards the last three weeks, You're gonna start shading

614
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: coverage to Kendrick Bourne. You're gonna leave DeAndre Hopkins one

615
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 1: on one like you now have to think about that

616
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: where it was all right, we'll start shading coverage Devonte Parker,

617
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: We'll deal with Jacoby Meyers one on one, and Jacoby

618
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: Myers started playing better, but he never gave them reason

619
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: to go back to that.

620
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I think the other thing quickly, and

621
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Speaker 2: then we'll get into ota is in some of these calls.

622
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 2: The other storyline, our conversation or question that's out there is, Okay,

623
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: who's the odd man out?

624
00:28:58,840 --> 00:28:58,959
Speaker 1: Right?

625
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 2: If they signed DeAndre how Hopkins, who's the odd man out?

626
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 2: Now it's we're getting a little ahead of ourselves, I

627
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 2: think with having these types of conversations.

628
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: But the people want to know we were just talking about.

629
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 2: It a little bit off the air before we started

630
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 2: the show. I think the biggest thing for me is

631
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 2: there's no there's no rush, right, There's no rush if

632
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 2: they signed DeAndre Hopkins a week from today. Let's say

633
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 2: they break the news on Friday, the next Friday that

634
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 2: they signed DeAndre Hopkins. There's no rush to then cut

635
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 2: the DeVante Parker right in the same day or the

636
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 2: same conversation. And I think it's important, honestly to bring

637
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 2: all five and I'm including Taekwon in this, all five

638
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: veteran guys to camp. I think I would bring all

639
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 2: of them to camp.

640
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: Of course, why wouldn't you?

641
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 2: And because, like we were saying, you know, somebody rolls

642
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 2: an ankle, somebody pulls a hammy like you just why

643
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 2: not keep the depth right? Why not have that into

644
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 2: camp if you're talking about who gets moved on from

645
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 2: and all that type of stuff. I think that's really

646
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 2: a conversation that would probably happen. And on cut down

647
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 2: day at the end of August in early September, where

648
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 2: all right, he's we're gonna decide that Devonte Parker, just

649
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 2: for this argument's sake, is the odd guy out? Maybe

650
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 2: we we get something for him, you know, in a trade,

651
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 2: maybe we flip guys. You know, this veteran's gonna get

652
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 2: cut from this team. We're gonna cut this guy. Let's

653
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 2: let's make a trade happen here. You know, they've done

654
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 2: those types of trades in the past or something along

655
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 2: those lines. But I don't think there's any rush or

656
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 2: any urgency too to cut any of the receivers just

657
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 2: because you signed DeAndre Hopkins. If I had to place

658
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 2: a bit a wager on who it would be, that

659
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 2: would be the odd man out I roles wise, I'm

660
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 2: inclined to say Parker because they're this they're very very

661
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 2: similar players, Like I don't know how those two guys

662
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 2: compliment each other play on the same field, right, They're

663
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 2: both big bodied, physical X receivers like they're they're the

664
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 2: same guy to me in a lot of ways in

665
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 2: terms of what they're being asked to run and things

666
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 2: like that. So in terms overlap, I think it's Devonte

667
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 2: Parker's the obvious answer. In terms of what's the word,

668
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 2: uh optics. In terms of who's in the best standing, Yeah,

669
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 2: with the head coach right now, it might be Kendrick

670
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 2: Born yeah.

671
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: With that. Well, first off, the other thing you have

672
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: to remember is financially, and they open up a lot

673
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: more money cutting Devonte Parker. Trading Devonte Parker six and

674
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: a half million with no dead money, yeah, Bourne's like

675
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: four million with I think a million of dead money. Yeah.

676
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: I feel like if they were really at that point

677
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: where they're just gonna move on from Kendrick Born, they

678
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: would have already done it.

679
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

680
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 5: Right.

681
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: They had so many chances last summer in this offseason,

682
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: and and like you said, stylistically, it you can keep Parker.

683
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: Is he gonna play?

684
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 2: Right?

685
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: Is he gonna play? And I think that Hawkins and I.

686
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 2: Think that that's tough because I I would keep all

687
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 2: five in theory, but I think it's tough for Kendrick

688
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: Born and DeVante Parker that they're veteran guys that should

689
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 2: be playing right. And so is that really what you

690
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 2: want in terms of like locker room dynamic, I would

691
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 2: lean to to know.

692
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: And the other thing too, is you know that they're

693
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: gonna want to open up some money.

694
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 2: And I think the mote Parker definitely does that easy.

695
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: Right, They're gonna want to open up some money after

696
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: that because Bill is what is it like five six

697
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: million you need to get through the year, and any

698
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: any Hopkins contract which we can get into what we

699
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: think probably gonna be six or seven million off, So

700
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: that yeah, it's gonna get you there at like fourteen

701
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: I think right now. So that gets your round under five.

702
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: Maybe they don't need to open up a full six million,

703
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: but they're gonna want to open up somebody. Do you

704
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: what do you think numbers wise for him?

705
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good question. I think that it's tough

706
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 2: because based off the market, it feels like it's a

707
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 2: soft market and you don't want to overpay and outbid

708
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 2: you yourself, like you don't want to bid against yourself.

709
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 2: I think that really you're gonna get the original report

710
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 2: on the contract is gonna be a lot more money

711
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 2: than the contract is actually worth, because his agent and

712
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 2: Hopkins are gonna want it out that the total value

713
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 2: of the contract is X right, just to make them

714
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 2: look good. I think it's a two year deal, So

715
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 2: I think it's a two year deal. I think it's

716
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 2: two years between thirty and thirty five million, somewhere in

717
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 2: like the fifteen million dollar range per year. And my

718
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 2: guess is that it's maybe like a year in a

719
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 2: quarter guaranteed or a year and a half of it

720
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 2: is actually fully guaranteed. But there's some sort of way

721
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 2: the Patriots can get out of it in year two

722
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 2: that's not totally handicapping them. That would be what I

723
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 2: would say.

724
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: So this is keeping in mind mine is and this

725
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: is keeping in mind that thing I said earlier about

726
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: do not let him outside the building? Right, yeah, do

727
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: not let him leave you. That a contract I'd put

728
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: on the table three years, forty million. All of the

729
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: guaranteed money is in the first two years, so it

730
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: is essentially a second a two year deal, right, there's

731
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: a clean team out after the second year. Look, maybe

732
00:33:58,160 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: he's balling out through two years.

733
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 2: You want to keep the great, But I worry about

734
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 2: the second year. I worry about the second year. I think,

735
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 2: I think you're gonna get a motivated I think you're

736
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 2: gonna get a I think you get one more one

737
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: more run with Hopkins.

738
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 1: But that's he That's how I think that's If that's

739
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: the cost, would you rather have him for two years

740
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: or no years? That's kind of where I'm at with it.

741
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think that if that's what it takes

742
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 2: to get the deal done. I don't I'm not like

743
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 2: going to lose any sleepover that.

744
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying that that second year is the

745
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: part I'm saying about, don't let him out of the building.

746
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: And look, maybe I said no guaranteed money in the

747
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: third year, like you said, would you say like a

748
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: year and a quarter guaranteed? Yeah, I call it a

749
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: year and a half guaranteed, yeah for me. But I

750
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: think that third non guaranteed year because then his agent

751
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: gets to go it's a three year deal, right, and yeah,

752
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: forty million, but maybe it's twenty twenty five million guaranteed

753
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,439
Speaker 1: something like that over two years. That's what I'm saying.

754
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: Like the reported deal something like three years, forty million,

755
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: third year not guaranteed. You give him the multiple years,

756
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: so that's his incentive to sign on spot and not

757
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: go take other meetings. But you can still get out

758
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: of it relatively easily if it doesn't work out.

759
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 2: And not to get too into the contract minutia. But

760
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 2: that's the one advantage that I do think the Patriots

761
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 2: have is it's a little like an RFA a contract.

762
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 2: At this time of year, they can almost like poison

763
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 2: pill it for these other teams that might be interested, Like,

764
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 2: there's a way that if they put up the money

765
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 2: and the signing bonus up front in the first year,

766
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: that like a team like Buffalo can't even sign him to.

767
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: That's that's what the Ravens did with Beckham. Yeah, oh no,

768
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: they did that in reverse sort of. They well, Beckham's

769
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: only a one year deal. Beckham's a one year deal,

770
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,959
Speaker 1: but there's like four vod years on it, is there.

771
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 1: I think he's only making like a million this year.

772
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think that that's the way that you

773
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 2: go about in a bidding war is you look at

774
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 2: the teams that are in the running for him, and

775
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 2: it's obviously we know the Titans is reported, but who

776
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 2: knows who the dark horses are the teams that aren't

777
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 2: being reported. Buffalo has said that they would want him,

778
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 2: but they just aren't gonna pay them, right, it's.

779
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: Gonna be they don't want They're trying to keep their

780
00:35:59,280 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: fans happen.

781
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 2: It's to be on a Super Bowl discount if he

782
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 2: goes there. And there's a way for the Patriots to

783
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 2: basically say, well, these five teams only have like six

784
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 2: million dollars in cap space. We can absorb it in

785
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 2: this year and still not really worry about the rollover

786
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 2: into next year because of the guaranteed and the structure Tennis,

787
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 2: you can't sign him to this contract, right, you know,

788
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 2: unless you jump through some hoops with the cap, which

789
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 2: is everybody can and will and does. But it's a

790
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,720
Speaker 2: little bit becomes more complicated at that point.

791
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: You want some Titans A chasent little breaking news, A

792
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 1: tiny bit of breaking news relates to Titans. Patriots announced

793
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: Mike Rabols and Dante's Cronicks team Hall of Fame induction

794
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: will be October twenty first, So that's week seven. Titans

795
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: are on the buy. Yes, Patriots hoasts the Bills that Sunday, Yes,

796
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 1: so that's on Saturday induction.

797
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,280
Speaker 2: Beyond yes, Saturday induction and then the game on Sunday

798
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 2: here against Buffalo. So that's the DeAndre. That's our takes

799
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 2: on DeAndre Hopkins to start. Obviously, we'll probably continue to

800
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 2: talk about this until he signed somewhere, and you can

801
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 2: obviously call in it eight five five Pats five hundred

802
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 2: to talk about it as well, or talk about something else.

803
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 2: But let's take some of these calls Alex, and then

804
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 2: we'll give our Ota takeaways. What's up, Sean, how you doing?

805
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 2: Thanks for hanging on.

806
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 6: Thanks. I have two things. We'll start with Hopkins. I

807
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 6: agree with everything you said. I'm sure he'd come here

808
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 6: if the money's right. And I don't really understand all

809
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 6: the void years that happened with the OBJ contract. I'm

810
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 6: not sure if the Patriots would do something similar, and

811
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 6: if so, if they could somehow alter that if they

812
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 6: decide they want to send a contract while it's still

813
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 6: under And I'm not a big cap capologist like Miguel,

814
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 6: but that's something to consider now. I also think that

815
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 6: he'll be a fit with the Patriots. Like some players,

816
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 6: they can't grasp what the Patriots do. But like you said,

817
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 6: he's a football nerd. He's very articulate, he's very intelligent.

818
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 6: I'm sure he's gonna grasp onto it right away and

819
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 6: be a great addition. The next thing I want to

820
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 6: talk about is the patriots first opponent, and it's a

821
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 6: very tough one, but I think a good in some ways.

822
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 6: It's actually a really good thing because this is going

823
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 6: to be a really important challenge for the Patriots. Is

824
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 6: the Eagles offer a lot of things that the Patriots

825
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 6: had trouble with. So we'll see right away what they

826
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 6: have and how they improved, how the tackles are going

827
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 6: to hold up against that ferocious defensive front. Also on

828
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 6: the defense, I want to see how the secondary is

829
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 6: going to just like I know, the Patriots will be

830
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 6: multiple and will play every opponent differently, like the Patriots

831
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 6: didn't play the Jacoby Brissett led Cleveland Browns the same

832
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 6: way they did with Joe Burrow and the Cincinnati Bengals.

833
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 6: It's a different opponent. You're going to try different things.

834
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 6: But against that team, I'd like to see in the secondary,

835
00:38:55,239 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 6: have Gonzales go against AJ Brown because of the size

836
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 6: and that that could be a good matchup, a good

837
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 6: challenge for sure. And then on top of that, with

838
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 6: the other two top targets, like the tight end, let's

839
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 6: see you have I don't know if it be Phillips

840
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 6: or if it be Doug or someone who's who's going

841
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 6: to cover the tight end. But the other important thing

842
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 6: is maybe with the actual linebackers to see if Matpu

843
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 6: is going to cover Swift or if he's actually gonna

844
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 6: Also be able to see what the quarterback does and

845
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 6: maybe spy the quarterback on that team. So that I

846
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 6: leave you with that.

847
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 2: Thanks John, thanks for the call. Yeah, I just quickly

848
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 2: on the void years. I don't want to like water

849
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 2: down the whole thing on cap manutia and salary caps

850
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 2: and contracts, but the Patriots typically don't do void years, and.

851
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: Well they used to be a big void year team.

852
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: The last couple of years they've gotten away from.

853
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've they they don't love borrowing money from the future,

854
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 2: which is what voyd years is. Right, you're basically borrowing

855
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 2: that money from future years and you're lowering the cap

856
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 2: and the media, but you're putting money on your cap later.

857
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 2: And the one guy that they've done it with a

858
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 2: little bit recently is Devin mccordy.

859
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: His was the last contract they had on the books

860
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: with void years.

861
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they don't do a ton now. The one

862
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 2: thing about void years is the deal doesn't actually void

863
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 2: until the start of the league year, right, So you

864
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 2: have that window from the end of the season to

865
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,720
Speaker 2: let's call it March fifteenth, whenever the free agency window

866
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 2: opens to extend that player to avoid the contract voiding, right, right,

867
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 2: which is I know kind of confusing, But I don't

868
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 2: think the Patriots would. I would be more inclined that

869
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 2: the Patriots would add a year to Hopkins's contract, a

870
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 2: real year than avoid year with you. I don't think

871
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 2: they really love the voided structure too much. Team like

872
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 2: the Saints, they go crazy with void years. So some

873
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 2: teams they like it. Philly, Uh, they use a lot

874
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 2: of void years. Uh. The Bills just used voy years

875
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 2: on Leonard Floyd to get that contract under the salary cap.

876
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 2: So some teams do it. With the Eagles a lot

877
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 2: to talk about today. I don't know how we're not

878
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 2: gonna really do a deep dive into Philadelphia. I gotta

879
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 2: I don't like that being the matchup Week one. I'm

880
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 2: maybe a little bit different.

881
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: I mean, he is right to the extent that we're

882
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: gonna learn right away, right we're gonna I think I

883
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 1: wish great pass rushers and we're gonna see could we

884
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: have had like a poor man's Philadelphia in Week one?

885
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 5: Though?

886
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: Like did it have to be Miami? Yeah?

887
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 2: Sure, like did it? But did it like did it

888
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 2: have to be the defending NFC champs? You know what

889
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 2: I mean? Like if it was Miami or so I

890
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 2: know we've seen Miami in Week one a million times

891
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 2: and were kind of sick of it. But if it

892
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 2: was a team that's built like that, yeah, I would

893
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 2: be like, okay, yeah, that's a good little test, like

894
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 2: a little tests out of the gate. Getting thrown to

895
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 2: the Wolves in the first week of the season was

896
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 2: wasn't really what I wanted. That's my take on Philadelphia.

897
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 2: All right, Uh, jeff what's up? How you doing?

898
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: Jeffrey, Hey, what's going on?

899
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 2: Guys?

900
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 5: Good longtime listener, first time caller. Than a couple things.

901
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 5: First of all, the ground round in Maine is like

902
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 5: five minutes from me, pretty popular, So do with that

903
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 5: information what you will. So two things. One is uh, well,

904
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 5: I guess both are a couple of my core Patriot memories,

905
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 5: uh and one of which has a question to it.

906
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 5: The first one is a random play. I assume you

907
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 5: guys won't remember it, but it's always stuck out for me.

908
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 5: It's just like a real football guy kind of play,

909
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 5: which is I can't remember what it was, but James

910
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 5: Devlin and Tremain and Edmonds hit each other in the

911
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 5: hole and they both just stood straight up. Nobody went down,

912
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 5: nobody fell over just two meatheads slamming into each other.

913
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 5: That is just an all time football play for me.

914
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 5: And then my question, I'm sure you guys do remember

915
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 5: this one back in twenty thirteen, the Pass played the Bills,

916
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 5: and I've always loved that game because mcgarrett blunt returned

917
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 5: two kickoffs for one hundred and forty five yards and

918
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 5: just absolutely dominated that day. And my question for you

919
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 5: guys is what player on this team do you think

920
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 5: could have kind of a fun unexpected role whether who

921
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 5: do you think it would be? Like, who do you

922
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 5: think could have a role like that? Or who would

923
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 5: you want to see and what role would you want

924
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 5: to see him in? You know, like something like Juwan

925
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,919
Speaker 5: Bentley running dive on the goal line. So I'll leave

926
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 5: you guys to it. Excited to hear your answers, and

927
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:46,439
Speaker 5: I'm sure I'll be calling back again.

928
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 2: Thanks guys, Thanks Jeff, thanks for the call. Appreciate it.

929
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 1: We never explained the ground round thing. We just went

930
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: right into that. Okay, we can compete with people probably

931
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: very curious why we're talking about that.

932
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 2: So Jeff is talking about I guess like players playing

933
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 2: out of position, sort of like Juwan Bentley playing full back.

934
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: I get you know, well, I think it just like

935
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 1: who thought, like Garrett Blunt was gonna be returning kicks

936
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: going into that season?

937
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, that's fair. I don't know if I

938
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 2: have one off the top of my head that one

939
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 2: might I might have to think about a little bit,

940
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 2: but I do, I do wonder. The fun thing to

941
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 2: me is just like getting these fast guys into some space,

942
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 2: like to like a peer strong, right, Like, It's not

943
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 2: it's not outside the boxes like you know, look Air

944
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 2: Blunder turning kicks or Juwan Bentley playing full back, But

945
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 2: in terms of like was the one guy that I

946
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 2: want to see have maybe a bigger role or a

947
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:37,479
Speaker 2: bigger impact that is currently projected. I just don't think

948
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 2: that they really have a ton of guys that are

949
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 2: four three eight right like on the field, and I

950
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 2: would just like to see a little bit of juice

951
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 2: in the in the open field from somebody and maybe

952
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 2: it ends up being a peer strong. I know, we

953
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 2: all know that Taekwon could do it or has that

954
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 2: ability to, but maybe some way that's a little bit

955
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 2: further down the depth charge.

956
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: So I think what he's talking about maybe is like

957
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: kind of like what Marcus Jones was last year, Like, yeah,

958
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: when he's on the field, whenever he was on the field,

959
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: whether there's a corner at running back returning. Yeah, it

960
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: was like okay, like Marcus Jones, Like you remember we

961
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: get in the press box, they just put Marcus Jones

962
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: on the field, Like what's going on here?

963
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 2: Yeah?

964
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: The guy that I I all right, I'll start with

965
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:18,720
Speaker 1: the guy I want to see that happen to, because's

966
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: pretty obvious is Malie Cunningham. Because it was hilarious to

967
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: get to talk every week about how Malie Cunningham is

968
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: making a difference all over the offense.

969
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,479
Speaker 2: Just okay, you don't think.

970
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: That would be funny?

971
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 5: No?

972
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 2: He could also just like really quickly on Millie Cunningham.

973
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 2: Can we stop saying that Malie Cunningham.

974
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: Has like electric speed because four or five five is

975
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: he's a great athlete, he's.

976
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 2: A great speed for a quarterback. But this is you know,

977
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 2: I'm talking about Pierre Strong. Pierre Strong ran a.

978
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: Four three eight, right like okay, just okay, okay, but

979
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: but who's the real guy, Like you're just busting He's

980
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: very athletic and and he's he's a very ball carrier.

981
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:55,959
Speaker 2: He's quick.

982
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: Maybe he's not fast, but he's very quick.

983
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 2: You're trying to get me go.

984
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: I think I did. Yeah, the two guys I could

985
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 1: see this happening with and this kind of transitions us

986
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: into ot as if you want to go there.

987
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 5: Ye.

988
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: On offense, I really feel like they're gonna have time

989
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: on Gmery do a little bit of everything. Running back, receiver,

990
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 1: you know, slot receiver, boundary receivers, that's where it was

991
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: trending last year, right.

992
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 3: Uh.

993
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 1: And he'll play in the kicking game as well. Bill

994
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: talked about that. So I think time Montgomery is the

995
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: guy that we're going to be looking when he's on

996
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: the field each play. Okay, where's he lining up? What's

997
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 1: he doing? And then on defense, I think the answer

998
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: is becoming pretty clear at this point. Mapho Mania Marte

999
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: Mapho is just.

1000
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: Like we're all on this, this trade with Mapoo who

1001
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 2: today jumped to Bailey's appy pass for what would have

1002
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:42,240
Speaker 2: been a pick.

1003
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: Second and he and I think it was like four

1004
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: or five yards. He closed from the throat to the

1005
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: catch point.

1006
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 2: Just you saw. Look, and this is what I've been

1007
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 2: seeing with him, and it finally today it sort of

1008
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 2: had a tangible like example right with the pick. But

1009
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 2: it's that it's his instincts, like he he clicks into

1010
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 2: things so quickly, like he reacts and his uh, he's

1011
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 2: always feels like he's like a step ahead and he

1012
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 2: can anticipate and he understands what he's looking at. That's

1013
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 2: really rare for a guy at this juncture like Dugger.

1014
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 2: Just to use as an example, Dugger early on in

1015
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 2: his his rookie camp and his rookie season, you could

1016
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 2: see the physical tools were there, but the anticipation that

1017
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 2: wasn't necessarily there. That ability to read around and understand, Okay,

1018
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 2: he's sitting down, he's running across whatever like that wasn't

1019
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 2: necessarily there. But he's just this raw freak athlete.

1020
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1021
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 2: To me, Mapu has a lot of those instincts too,

1022
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 2: And I think that that's where it comes to. That's

1023
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 2: why I have been clamoring so much for him to

1024
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 2: play linebacker, is because I think he has linebacker instincts,

1025
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 2: like his ability to click into things. Okay, it's you know,

1026
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 2: it's a pulling guard scheme, it's an outside scheme, it's

1027
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 2: a toss, it's a swing in to the backfield to

1028
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 2: the running back and there's a little sit route to

1029
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 2: Matt Sokell over the middle, which is what it was today.

1030
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 2: I'm there like I know where I'm looking at. I'm

1031
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 2: shot out of a cannon and I'm there today, Mapu again,

1032
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 2: I've been singing in his praises all spring. He had

1033
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 2: probably his best practice out of all the practices that

1034
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 2: he's had this spring today picked six another pass breakup

1035
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 2: that frankly was probably a drop that he stepped in

1036
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,919
Speaker 2: front of a of a crossing rout or dig route

1037
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 2: and probably should have picked it off to and just

1038
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 2: continues to be everywhere in terms of alignment, also playing safety,

1039
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,280
Speaker 2: playing a little bit closer to the line of scrimmage,

1040
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 2: playing deeper safety, more safety the last couple of practices

1041
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 2: than true linebacker like he was in that opening practice.

1042
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 2: But he's everywhere all the time, and it's just amazing

1043
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 2: to see how quickly he's grasped onto it and all

1044
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 2: in the red non contactors, like we haven't even gotten

1045
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 2: to him hitting people yet, which I think is going

1046
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 2: to be a problem too. Well, it could go both

1047
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 2: and I made a problem as a good thing.

1048
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: No, I know what you mean. But what is it

1049
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 1: going to be like? The big question is his size.

1050
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: What is it going to be like when he gets

1051
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: more physical?

1052
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 2: Well, all I know is that in college, and I

1053
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 2: get that it's a big jump from where he was

1054
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 2: at Sacramento State, But his explosiveness translated into power right

1055
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 2: Like he was able to speed to power.

1056
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I think, like that first padded practice, Yeah,

1057
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: just gonna be Iso Wing Marte Mompu whenever he's on

1058
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: the field, that is the guy when.

1059
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 2: Gott to test him.

1060
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: If he looks like this in the padded practice, yeah,

1061
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: the the breaks are off the hype train. I mean,

1062
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,879
Speaker 1: the thing is completely yeah, exactly, Yeah.

1063
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 2: He's he looks like a problem. Christian goan Zalez was

1064
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 2: out there at again starting outside corner for the Patriots

1065
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 2: during practice. Not again another one that you you sort

1066
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 2: of see the athleticism and you see the freakish ability

1067
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 2: that made him a first round pick, but not doesn't

1068
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 2: have quite had that like tangible play of the day

1069
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 2: or practice of the player of the day or anything

1070
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 2: like that quite yet. But I feel like I haven't.

1071
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 2: I watched I zeroed in on him a couple of

1072
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 2: times towards the end of practice during that live eleven

1073
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,919
Speaker 2: on eleven. Certainly looks like a guy that is very

1074
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 2: comfortable and very confident. And I think that's the biggest

1075
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 2: thing that I always look at for corners. You never

1076
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 2: want to see panic in a corner, like in his feet,

1077
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:17,919
Speaker 2: in his head gear, like you never want to see

1078
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 2: him worried, like oh no, like I'm in the wrong place,

1079
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 2: or oh no, he's getting by me right, or or

1080
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 2: I'm not in phase, or whatever the case may be.

1081
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 2: It just seems to be smooth. It just seems to

1082
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 2: be confident, doesn't seem in over his head. Yet I

1083
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 2: always get thrown off by the rookie jersey numbers. I

1084
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 2: don't know if this happens to you, where Like he

1085
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 2: shouldn't be in fifty so like it looked I remember

1086
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 2: this with Mac, right, Mac, Yeah, the fifty jersey was

1087
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 2: like swimming on him. It made him look tiny. Maybe

1088
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 2: that's the case where searching Gonzales. But he does look

1089
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 2: a little thin to me.

1090
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: I see, I had the other reac I had the

1091
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,919
Speaker 1: opposite reaction to it. I'm looking at it. He looks

1092
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: so much bigger than all the other corners, and I'm

1093
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: like does he look like a linebacker because he's bigger.

1094
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: Does he look like line certainly, he certainly looks tall, right,

1095
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: Maybe that's more what it was. But yeah, I so.

1096
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 2: Just to like the caller's point, who is that Sean

1097
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 2: talking about the Eagles?

1098
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't.

1099
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 2: I don't know if, like AJ Brown, is the guy

1100
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 2: that you want to match him up on on Week one.

1101
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 2: Not obviously because AJ Brown is a great player and

1102
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 2: that's part of it. But like those like physical guys,

1103
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 2: I'm still not one hundred percent sure that he's going

1104
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 2: to be able to out muscle in AJ Brown at

1105
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,919
Speaker 2: the catch point thirty yards down the field. The guy

1106
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 2: that I would think that he would be on would

1107
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 2: be Devonte Smith, Like he can run with Davante Smith

1108
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 2: all day long.

1109
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: Right, I don't think well, because I think you're gonna

1110
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: put John Jones on Davante Smith because he's just that

1111
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: kind of corner I guess.

1112
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 2: But that's giving up some height, but that that's down

1113
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 2: the line problem. But I think the big thing with

1114
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 2: Christian Gonzalez is he's he's done nothing to make me

1115
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 2: think that my pre draft analysis of him has changed, right,

1116
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 2: Like I have not moving off anything with Christian Gonzales.

1117
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 1: No, he looks as advertised so far.

1118
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 2: What do you think of Keon White, because he's taken

1119
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 2: me a little bit by surprise. You know, this is

1120
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 2: what I do. You know that I come around on

1121
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 2: everybody they draft. Eventually he had a a T and

1122
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 2: e today, a stunt you know, tackle sets a little

1123
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 2: pick for him. He comes wrap around it where it

1124
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 2: was a free run to the quarterback because they executed

1125
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 2: it well. But just like that twitch and that explosiveness

1126
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 2: and the clothes on the quarterback was pretty impressive. And

1127
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 2: I've seen him go up against Calvin Anderson a few

1128
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 2: times and he's tested him a little bit coming off

1129
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 2: the edge as a stand up rusher, which I didn't

1130
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 2: really think that he was going to have that kind

1131
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 2: of juice necessarily. I knew that the like his the

1132
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 2: upper body strength and the power in the hands and

1133
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,879
Speaker 2: like that stuff for the length would be there. He's

1134
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 2: shown a little bit of getty up though, Like I

1135
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 2: think he's got a little bit of a first step

1136
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,879
Speaker 2: that maybe I understold during the draft. So he's been

1137
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 2: very intriguing player to me too, standing up, playing with

1138
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 2: his hand in the dirt. It's exciting this whole top

1139
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 2: half of this rookie class. Those first three picks have

1140
00:52:58,239 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 2: all looked a part I think so far.

1141
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's tougher with him just because it's non padded practices.

1142
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: He's a defensive lineman. But that's fair. I mean, I

1143
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: just the size, the size. You see him out there

1144
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: walking around.

1145
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 2: And he is big boy.

1146
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: We talk about this lot. We talked about it last

1147
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: year with col Strange, talked about Max Jones, a Taekwon Thornton,

1148
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: A bunch of these guys that's like, yeah, they're good

1149
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: and and I specifically do this a lot. Ever, and

1150
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: you've heard you say this a ton. Wait until he

1151
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: gets a full year in the NF in an NFL

1152
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: weight room, right, wait until he gets in that weight

1153
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: program in max maxed out man, man, I I don't

1154
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: know how if he gets any bigger, it's gonna be unfair.

1155
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 2: Not to like use it as a knock. But he's

1156
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 2: twenty five, so he's an older rookie. Maybe he's twenty four,

1157
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 2: twenty four, twenty, but.

1158
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,839
Speaker 1: They've drafted older guys in the part. Might still need

1159
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: to max out. I guess like all Stranger is older.

1160
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 1: Sure dugger though, was a grown man. Doug was a

1161
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: grown man coming. Yeah, but this isn't more so this

1162
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: is it was just because of the defensive lineman.

1163
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 2: But like the.

1164
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: Defense even like I would say Christian Barmore had the

1165
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: size he needed coming out right, but this is like

1166
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: he on White doesn't even look like a football player.

1167
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 1: He looks like a body building.

1168
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a monster, he is.

1169
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:07,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's cut.

1170
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 2: It's gonna be interesting to see what they do with

1171
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 2: him because they have played him standing up in a

1172
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 2: two point stance a little bit. They have had him

1173
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 2: drop like once or twice, a practice that I have

1174
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 2: seen looks pretty big for.

1175
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just want to see him punch an offensive

1176
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: lineman in the mouth. That's all I want to see

1177
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,399
Speaker 1: him doing. Have him line up across from the other guy. Yeah,

1178
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 1: and just come out of that state because he, like

1179
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:28,720
Speaker 1: you said, the way he comes out of that stance,

1180
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: just bull rush that other guy till he can't handle it,

1181
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: because that is going to be a long day for

1182
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 1: whoever is lining up off.

1183
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I pros I didn't. I didn't love and this

1184
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 2: is again like not trying to kill the kid for

1185
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 2: OTA practices. I didn't love watching him drop into coverage.

1186
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 2: It's it's robotic, like he said's nice eighty five.

1187
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: You know what though, it's funny because Mike, it just

1188
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,399
Speaker 1: crossed that off, like it just don't use him that way, mine,

1189
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,439
Speaker 1: I guess that simple. My com for him coming out

1190
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 1: was Trey Flowers. And they used to do that with

1191
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: Trey Flowers every once in a while, right, And it

1192
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: was like on third down if.

1193
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 2: It's everyone, if it's every once in a while, just

1194
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 2: to like catch an offense off balance and like maybe

1195
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 2: you get lucky and the quarterback doesn't see him drop

1196
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 2: and he throws it right to him or something like that,

1197
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 2: then fine, Like they used to do that every once

1198
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:14,760
Speaker 2: in a while. And you know with like a Rabel

1199
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 2: or a Ninkovic, I mean.

1200
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: Everyone, why you see him do it? I will say

1201
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: that if you want to talk to me and a

1202
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: ke On White dropping in a coverage, here is how

1203
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 1: you do it. Because eventually he'll get a pick and

1204
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 1: then we'll get to see him stiff arm somebody and

1205
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: that's gonna be awesome. He is a monster, all right,

1206
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: you know what to that last callers question, Yeah, give

1207
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 1: me ke On White at fullback reps or a tight

1208
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: end on the goal line something like that. I want

1209
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 1: to see him blocked.

1210
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 2: All right, let's take these last two calls that I

1211
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,240
Speaker 2: have a few more O t A thoughts Brent and Cambridge.

1212
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 2: Was that Brent?

1213
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 3: And what's up? Guys? I just want to stay a

1214
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 3: long time followed am I? Your guys work news, worked

1215
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 3: in sports media and sort of still works adjacency that

1216
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 3: you know. I know there's a content out there and

1217
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 3: you guys certainly stand out among the crafts. I just

1218
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 3: want to preface with that, thank you to my call,

1219
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,839
Speaker 3: and we kind of away from this, but coming back

1220
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,959
Speaker 3: to it assuming that DeAndre Hopkins does die next week

1221
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,359
Speaker 3: and we can all hope the trickle down of fact

1222
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 3: fascinating me and not just from techning order or you know,

1223
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 3: odd man out with Parker and Boring at the top

1224
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 3: of that combo, but even just thematically because essentially, how

1225
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 3: I see it, there's really just going to be one

1226
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 3: spot available in terms of like things personnel, because you

1227
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 3: look at it, you just basically five skill positions but

1228
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 3: still position players available. And when you look at a

1229
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 3: most US personnel who's just still running back in a

1230
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 3: wide tight end in there with say Lemondo Steves, same

1231
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 3: Hunter Henry. Then you have three receivers less basically that

1232
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 3: could be used and I think all three of us

1233
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,280
Speaker 3: would be shot if that's not the Hops and Juju

1234
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 3: there at the top. So essentially talking about one role

1235
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 3: after that terms of most of these personnel, and I've

1236
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 3: eliminated the semantics of Mike a sticky wide receiver tight

1237
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 3: end at eleven twelve personnel, it's just throw him in there.

1238
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 3: You're essentially talking about one role for Tayekwon Porton's Mike,

1239
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 3: the sticky Davonte Parker kinds of born and you don't

1240
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 3: even need to get into books, but basically believe you

1241
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 3: guys of a concrete question, what would you see being

1242
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 3: the most used personnel and what that personnel is used

1243
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 3: to play be that much more noticeable than.

1244
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great question, Brandon. It's a fun question

1245
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 2: because they have options. Yeah. I don't know if anybody

1246
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 2: is like over the moon about all of them or not,

1247
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 2: but like, they have options.

1248
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: I think essentially what you're talking about, and he kind

1249
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: of laid it out perfectly. DeAndre Hopkins is your Frankly,

1250
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: I don't know that DeAndre Hopkins even needs to be

1251
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: a part of this conversation because this is what I

1252
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: think is gonna be one of the best battles of camp.

1253
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: You're gonna have an X whether that's DeVante Parker or

1254
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins, that guy's gonna be on the field ninety

1255
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: percent of the time.

1256
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1257
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: If they and we talked about this, if they signed Hopkins,

1258
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 1: we both think Parker's the odd man out. So that

1259
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: that role done period, leave it alone. Juju Smith's in

1260
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: the slot. Yeah, done period. That's not changing. It's really

1261
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: that Z receiver. Yes, and I think there's a case

1262
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: to be made that, like Kasiki, his role is more

1263
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: or less gonna be Z receiver.

1264
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1265
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: Right.

1266
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 2: So it has been interesting that a couple of things

1267
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 2: in practice that have stood out with Kasiki. They've used

1268
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 2: them in some of those like short motions and things

1269
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 2: like that that they would typically put like Jacobi or

1270
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 2: Julian Edelman in and now they're doing it with Kasiki,

1271
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 2: which I did find a little bit interesting because that's

1272
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 2: that is basically Z like that, that's what they would

1273
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 2: do with their Z receivers. So I'm with you on that.

1274
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: So it comes down to I hadn't even considered it

1275
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 1: in terms of kasiki. Honestly, I was thinking it in

1276
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: terms of born in Thornton battling for that Z spot

1277
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: and if you want to, we can throw my kasiki

1278
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: in there. Was well, absolutely, it's like a twelve look right, right?

1279
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: Well is it twelve? Is it not twelve that was killed?

1280
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: But I'm calling it twelve. That was Bill's whole thing,

1281
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: is it. No, I had a name for it when

1282
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: they signed it. It was like ghost twelve or something like that.

1283
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: Just I gotta go back and listen. No, I hadn't

1284
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 1: name for it specifically. It's kaiki. No ghost twelve, ghost twelve.

1285
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: It's just twelve, all right. The point being those three guys,

1286
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: and look all thre're gonna make the team. This isn't

1287
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: a battle in the sense of when I'm gonna get caught, right,

1288
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: And I think ultimately they'll all rotate because they all

1289
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: win differently from that spot. Yah, But those three guys

1290
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: battling for the main or will call it the majority

1291
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: of the Z snaps, that's gonna be a very very

1292
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: fascinating battle throughout the summer.

1293
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Speaker 2: It is, and I will just say my take on it.

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00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 2: It has to be Taekwon. It has to be Taekwon.

1295
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 2: And I don't necessarily mean just because of the draft

1296
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 2: status and like what we hope Taekwon is going to

1297
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 2: be in year two. I just think that from a

1298
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 2: opening up the field standpoint, like having a speed guy

1299
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 2: in the Z spot that can play inside, can play

1300
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 2: outside and take the top off the defense, it just

1301
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 2: really makes you difficult to cover. It really does, because

1302
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 2: now you have Hopkins, you know, running his routree on

1303
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 2: the outside as the ex boundary guy. You have Taekwon

1304
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 2: coming over the top, and then you just have Juju

1305
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 2: filling in in the middle of the field. And now

1306
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 2: those are the times when you can really get those

1307
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,919
Speaker 2: Juju catch and run right like you your kid coming

1308
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 2: over the middle. Uh that the safeties are back because

1309
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 2: of Taekwon, Thornt and Hopkins on the outside, and now

1310
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, think about all the space in

1311
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 2: the middle for somebody like Juju or Henry or Gazicky

1312
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 2: to operate inside, it should be Taekwon. And this kind

1313
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 2: of brings me to to the offense and sort of

1314
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 2: my takeaways from the O t as today. I had

1315
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 2: to kind of offensive takeaways, one being Taekwan wasn't out

1316
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,439
Speaker 2: there today. It was a Parker and Born and then

1317
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 2: Schmorgsborg of everybody else right, you know Tomorrow Douglas. No

1318
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 2: Keshan Butte either or Booty sorry either. So it was

1319
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 2: like Tomorow Douglas. It was Trey Nixon. It was Rolly

1320
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 2: Webb who actually rally Webb. Uh. There wasn't a whole

1321
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 2: lot of vertical element to the offense today, and it

1322
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 2: just feels like they really threw one pass down the

1323
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 2: field the entire day and now to DeVante Parker on

1324
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 2: the left sideline.

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01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: That was the first pass of the day.

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01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 2: It was incomplete jo On Jack Jones.

1327
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: No, no, they threw more than one because that first

1328
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 1: Remember we were sitting there and who is somebody goes, oh,

1329
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: I just drafted Mac to my fantasy team.

1330
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 2: I don't think that was like that was a dig

1331
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 2: and that was pretty It's like it was like a

1332
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 2: dig I'm talking about like I'm calling like.

1333
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: A like a sideline go ball okay.

1334
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, or what you know, deep cross whatever there's a

1335
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 2: downfield to throw. I went down. Taekwon out there. They

1336
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 2: didn't have a whole lot of just threats to get

1337
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 2: up the field and they hit the dig to to

1338
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 2: Parker was a nice throw that was a dagger right.

1339
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 2: Kendrick Bourne runs the scene, clears it out and Parker

1340
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 2: fills it in, throws the deep in cut and then

1341
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 2: they ran a seam to Hunter Henry that they hit

1342
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 2: that was pretty good in between a couple guys. Those

1343
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 2: were two good throws down the field for Mac today.

1344
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 2: And I thought early on in the eleven on eleven period,

1345
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 2: it looked like, Okay, that's the Bill O'Brien offense, right, like,

1346
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 2: you know, hit the intermediate, hit the like that's what

1347
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 2: we're kind of going for here. But it just there's

1348
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 2: not a whole lot of downfield right now to what

1349
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 2: they do. And that's where I really feel like Taekwon

1350
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 2: he has to fill that role like he even if

1351
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 2: it's just on a Phillip door set level, right like

1352
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 2: it just somebody's got to get up the field and

1353
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 2: he's got to be that guy. And you kind of

1354
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 2: felt that without him being out there today. Certainly felt

1355
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 2: it the other day when nobody was there, but but

1356
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 2: I even felt like today he felt it a little

1357
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 2: bit too. A lot of motion, a lot of early

1358
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 2: practice reps, like not necessarily live, more like jog through

1359
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 2: pace where they're practicing backfield actions right like motion. I

1360
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 2: think that there's some fakes, some RPOs elements in there

1361
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 2: as well, and I like giveaway too much, but there's

1362
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 2: certainly working on that. Like it's you know, guys coming

1363
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 2: in jet motion, guys you know, end around orbit motion

1364
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 2: and fakes in the backfield, you know, reads and for

1365
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 2: the quarterback whether he's gonna give or he's gonna throw

1366
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 2: the football. There's every single practice there's been like a

1367
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 2: portion of Eleven's early on that. Again, it is not

1368
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 2: truly live, I'd call it more like a jog through that.

1369
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 2: They're practicing some of that Alabama stuff, right and you

1370
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 2: can see that. So that's exciting to me. You know,

1371
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 2: I asked Bailly Zappy about it after practice today and

1372
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 2: you know, he gave me enough for me to be like,

1373
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:30,479
Speaker 2: all right, Like that's actually a thing that they're doing

1374
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 2: more than just what we've seen. So it's exciting. I

1375
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 2: think that that's what we've always wanted this Mac Jones

1376
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 2: Patriots offense to look like. Is alabamafi the traditional Patriots

1377
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 2: offense that we had with Josh McDaniels and had for

1378
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 2: years here for the past two decades, Modernized Alabamafied Alabama,

1379
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 2: fied sure motion, misdirection RPO, those types of elements and

1380
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 2: stretching the field from the slot. We've certainly seen a

1381
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 2: lot of that in these practices too. It It just

1382
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 2: has really stood out to me. You know, the last

1383
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 2: practice they were they were practicing early on in the

1384
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 2: practice they're passing, uh those pop passes right where stever

1385
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 2: comes in jet motion then you just flick.

1386
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 1: It to They used to run that with Brandon Cooks.

1387
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, the pop pass. Then today they're they're practicing you know,

1388
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 2: ghost motions where you're bringing the guy in motion but

1389
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 2: you're not actually handing him the football or throwing him

1390
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 2: the football. He's just the threat, is there, right, They're.

1391
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 1: Trying to draw the eyes, trying to draw the defensive

1392
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 1: eyes to something.

1393
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, which they did a lot of shifting last year,

1394
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 2: but they were towards the bottom of the league in

1395
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 2: motion at the snap and I think motion at the snap,

1396
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 2: jet motion orbit. Uh, those things have become extremely popular

1397
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 2: around the league. The shannonhan Tree uses it obviously, like

1398
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 2: the college style West Coast schemes like Philly and Kansas

1399
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 2: City use it. The Patriots have not necessarily used that

1400
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 2: enough in my mind over the last couple of years.

1401
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 2: It's eye candy. It draws guys out of zones, it

1402
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 2: sucks up the defense, it gets guys one on one matchups,

1403
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 2: it gets people into space. It's really effective and has

1404
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 2: been really effective for teams across the league for the

1405
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 2: last couple of years.

1406
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 1: So that's coming. I think they we're gonna see a

1407
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 1: whole lot more of that. And something you just talked about,

1408
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 1: and I think this was a philosophical issue with the

1409
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 1: offense last year, was you talk about how you know

1410
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 1: it sucks the defense and you get them to look

1411
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 1: at something and then you run something off of it.

1412
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 1: So you talk about that ghost motion right where you

1413
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 1: keep having that guy going and so normally it's the

1414
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 1: other way around from what you're describing, but you keep

1415
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 1: running that motion and you screen it over there, right,

1416
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 1: you screen off the motion, screen off the motion, and

1417
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 1: you run and we the Patriots do it, maybe not

1418
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 1: with motion, but they did this lot er Josh McDaniels, right,

1419
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 1: They keep running the same running back screen over and over,

1420
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 1: and we'd be like, it's not working. Why do they

1421
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 1: keep doing this, and then it gets the fourth quarter

1422
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 1: and suddenly you pump that screen left and you come

1423
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 1: back to the right side on a slant. But the

1424
01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 1: whole defense is crashed down to that screen. So you

1425
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 1: have the setup plays, which is the screen, the screen screen,

1426
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 1: and then what I call the shot plays, which is

1427
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 1: what you're building towards. Yes, last year they called a

1428
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 1: lot of shot plays, but they never they never set

1429
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:16,439
Speaker 1: them up it, which I think was when they talked

1430
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 1: about Matt Patricia reverse engineering the offense. He's a defensive coordinator.

1431
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 1: He's afraid of the shot play, so he's gonna call

1432
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 1: a lot of shot plays without maybe getting into what

1433
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 1: makes them successful. Motion is a great way to set

1434
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: things up because it all of our minds is not

1435
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 1: just football things, all of our minds, right. We like

1436
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 1: to look for patterns, we like to find It's like

1437
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 1: play action, like if you you can't play action without

1438
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 1: establishing and I don't mean established the throng because I

1439
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 1: don't want the nerds to get mad at me, but

1440
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 1: establishing the action that you are without establishing the fact

1441
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 1: that you are willing to run the.

1442
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 2: Ball out of that look, right, So like if you

1443
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 2: get to the line of scrimmage and you want to

1444
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 2: pull the guard and hit play action behind the linebackers

1445
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 2: like the Patriot have done a million times over the years.

1446
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 2: If you're not willing to run power a few times before,

1447
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 2: there's no.

1448
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 1: Three if you don't give them a reason to step up, right.

1449
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 1: So that's the thing. Motion right Would you say motion

1450
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 1: right now is the best way to maybe design a setup.

1451
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 2: It's one of them. I would say that, Really, we

1452
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 2: have gotten too advanced for formations to do it on

1453
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 2: its own, right, Like defenses are too advanced. They're too smart,

1454
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 2: where once upon a time you could just set it

1455
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 2: up with formations.

1456
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 1: Well, so this is what the wildcat was, right. The

1457
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 1: wildcat was all right, they're gonna run the ball like

1458
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 1: they're gonta runn back. They're gonna run it, they're gonna

1459
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:38,439
Speaker 1: un it, they're gonna run it. And then after seven

1460
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 1: or eight Wildcat runs. And that's why the wildcat was effective,

1461
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 1: because you think, all right, they're obviously gonna run, will

1462
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 1: sell out. You'd have that running back, just pop a

1463
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 1: little pass over the middle behind the linebackers coming up. Yeah,

1464
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 1: you can't do that.

1465
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, So like formations, what I mean is like numbers

1466
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 2: in the box, right, Like you could set it up

1467
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 2: where like if you had a full back and you

1468
01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 2: were plus one in the box and you just had

1469
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:01,919
Speaker 2: more number, you had more bodies that you have more

1470
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 2: blockers than there were defenders to fit it up right,

1471
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 2: and there's nothing the defense could do. You just were outnumbered.

1472
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 2: But I think defenses have done a really good job

1473
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 2: of now being able to play a man down or

1474
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:18,640
Speaker 2: a gap down and making up for that. So the

1475
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:20,639
Speaker 2: best way is to do it. I think the best

1476
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:25,600
Speaker 2: offense is they marry everything together. Right. Everything looks the

1477
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 2: same until it's not. Josh McDaniel's really good at this

1478
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:32,680
Speaker 2: play action. Right. You're a power gap team, you're a

1479
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 2: downhill run team. So you run power, you run counter,

1480
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 2: you run full back lead. Then you have play action

1481
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 2: concepts off of those things where the full back comes

1482
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 2: through the hole, but then the quarterback keeps the ball

1483
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:47,160
Speaker 2: and the linebackers come screaming up and there's the play

1484
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 2: action pass behind it. Last year, the Patriots were running

1485
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 2: play action passes without a run action. They weren't marrying

1486
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 2: it up together, and that's why it wasn't effective. These motions,

1487
01:08:57,240 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 2: these backfield actions that we're seeing these fakes, like all

1488
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 2: these different things, they're gonna build up to different things

1489
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 2: where they can have complimentary plays that are now gonna

1490
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 2: branch off of all these things. Even if you never

1491
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 2: you could give it to the motion guy one time

1492
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 2: a game like you don't even you don't need to

1493
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 2: feed the motion guy. It's just the action of that.

1494
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 2: And then you have something like this, Then you have

1495
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 2: something like that, and now all of a sudden you're

1496
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:23,680
Speaker 2: building a whole repertoire things that you can do off

1497
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:23,840
Speaker 2: of it.

1498
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 1: And now it's and then when that all happens, it's

1499
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 1: in the back of the defense, right, the defense can't

1500
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:30,599
Speaker 1: key in on all, right, well, this guy's on the field,

1501
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:32,720
Speaker 1: they're in this formation, I'm looking here, okay, But the

1502
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 1: ball could also go to the right, or could also

1503
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:35,760
Speaker 1: go to the left, but they could also sneak a

1504
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 1: guy behind me. You just want the defense thinking about

1505
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:40,560
Speaker 1: as many possible outcomes as possible when you come to

1506
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:42,400
Speaker 1: the line, and that's how you do that.

1507
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:44,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of good things that I think

1508
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 2: they're doing. And right now what we're seeing is a foundational,

1509
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:52,760
Speaker 2: basic install of these things. So it's not necessarily like

1510
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 2: they're drawing up and scheming, guys open it's like these

1511
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:57,839
Speaker 2: sexy plays that they're putting on film right now in practice,

1512
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 2: but we like we're describing seeing the foundation being.

1513
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 1: This is what it's all going to be built off of.

1514
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 2: Right correct, exactly. So that's been exciting. I I still

1515
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 2: I still need some more, you know, I'm a I

1516
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 2: like the deep ball, like I'm just a sucker for it.

1517
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I need to see a little Bill's offense.

1518
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 2: And I think that that's why, you know, that's why

1519
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 2: I wanted to preface it with that first period of

1520
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:22,680
Speaker 2: Live elevens when he hit Parker over the middle and

1521
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 2: then he hit the seam to Like I was like, Okay,

1522
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 2: that's that's probably what Bill O'Brien wants, right, Like, that's

1523
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:29,720
Speaker 2: that's what he's textbook overri That's what they're going for.

1524
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 2: So there was evidence of that today as well. All right,

1525
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 2: one more call and then we'll wrap it. Uh, what's up, Patty?

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01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 2: How you doing?

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01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:37,599
Speaker 5: Gentlemen?

1528
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 2: Come on? Not much?

1529
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 5: Evan.

1530
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 4: First off, I gotta apologize for the semi troll job

1531
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 4: last week.

1532
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 1: No, don't apologize that. That was great, just.

1533
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 4: Joking around, having a little fun. But I gotta just

1534
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 4: want to say a couple of things Yesterday I'm p

1535
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 4: when you brought up like you want to film nowhere

1536
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 4: near the opps of game plan. Let Bill O'Brien do

1537
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 4: it like. I got a good chuckle out of that.

1538
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:06,640
Speaker 4: And I'm not going to rehash my my thoughts and

1539
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 4: ideas on DeAndre Hopkins. I just had kind of a

1540
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 4: weird question and that if we see these guys, you know,

1541
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 4: over the last few years that have been drafted, you know,

1542
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:20,679
Speaker 4: and the grow era as it were, like Dugger takes

1543
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:23,559
Speaker 4: another big step, you know Mac, Let's say he has

1544
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 4: a breakout far more, stays healthy and does great, you know,

1545
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:30,680
Speaker 4: just throwing some names out there, pure strong, Cole Strange,

1546
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 4: all these guys like step up in the rookie class.

1547
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:36,640
Speaker 4: You guys from the rookie class, you know, they nail it.

1548
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 4: Can we finally stop saying that the Patriots are the

1549
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 4: least talented team in the division. I mean, if these

1550
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 4: if some of these guys really start hitting and starts

1551
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 4: and like their skills really start coming to fruition, and

1552
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:50,639
Speaker 4: especially if they finish the season with like ten ten

1553
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 4: or more wins.

1554
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I hope. So thanks for the call, Patty,

1555
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:57,600
Speaker 2: I hope so. Like that's the hope, right, is that

1556
01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 2: these young guys do you step up. I can see

1557
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 2: why people think that about the Patriots and hold all,

1558
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:07,760
Speaker 2: they're the fourth best team in the division, the talentless

1559
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 2: and yea, YadA, YadA, YadA. I can see some of that.

1560
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 2: I don't I'm not necessary. I think Miami has great

1561
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 2: top of the end of the roster talent. I think

1562
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 2: they're you know, they have Tyreek Hill, they have Jalen Wattle,

1563
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 2: they have Jalen Phillips, they have Bradley Chubb, they have

1564
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 2: the two corners, like they're it's all the it's the

1565
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:27,559
Speaker 2: old Madden rating thing right, Like they're like one through

1566
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 2: sex or one through seven is better than the Patriots.

1567
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 2: There's no doubt about that. I'm not sure that Miami

1568
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:37,600
Speaker 2: necessarily has the depth that people think they do. Like,

1569
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:40,200
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm as impressed with the back

1570
01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:43,000
Speaker 2: end of their roster or you know, ten through fifty three,

1571
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 2: if you will, as other people are. There's no question

1572
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 2: the Jets rosters is great from top to bottom. Like

1573
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:50,680
Speaker 2: it for the most part. I think there are our

1574
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 2: holes there too, like any team, but for the most part,

1575
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 2: and then we know what's going on in Buffalo, so

1576
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 2: I think.

1577
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:57,639
Speaker 1: Well, this goes It goes back to one of those

1578
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:00,559
Speaker 1: old belichickisms. It's not about collecting talent, it's about building

1579
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:02,599
Speaker 1: a team. I don't know that the paper is kind

1580
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:05,519
Speaker 1: of collecting talent. Miami is certainly collecting talent. I think

1581
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:09,720
Speaker 1: Buffalo's collecting talent. The Jets have built a team defensively,

1582
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 1: We'll see how it all comes together on offense. I

1583
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 1: don't know that we're gonna be like the thing with

1584
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 1: the Patriots, is there. If they do, you know, make

1585
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 1: a run at this, it's because they're so well rounded.

1586
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 2: Yeah they are.

1587
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 1: They have a lot of options, right the biggest So

1588
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:31,640
Speaker 1: here's their biggest strength, whatever it ends up being. And

1589
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 1: we could argue what it will be for probably a

1590
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 1: whole another hour. But their biggest strength will never be

1591
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 1: as strong as buff this year, will not be as

1592
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 1: strong as Buffalo's biggest strength or Miami's biggest strength, of

1593
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 1: the Jets' biggest strength, but they will not have any

1594
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:49,640
Speaker 1: weaknesses as glaring as the weakness as those three teams have.

1595
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:51,720
Speaker 1: And that's what they're going to try to win on

1596
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:56,520
Speaker 1: the idea that any team, you know, any week, anywhere,

1597
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 1: any opponent, any conditions, they are going to have any

1598
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:01,600
Speaker 1: or for what the opponent's going to try to do.

1599
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 1: That's what they're trying to win on. It's not that

1600
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 1: we're going to come out and beat you by doing this.

1601
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 1: It's okay, this is what you want to do. We

1602
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 1: believe we have a counter to that. I just think

1603
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 1: that they they're sorry one more.

1604
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:13,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1605
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 1: I think what ultimately the story of as things stand

1606
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:18,720
Speaker 1: right now with the story of this Patriots team will

1607
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:21,640
Speaker 1: be they're going to win by making other teams uncomfortable.

1608
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:24,000
Speaker 1: That's who they are, that's going to be their identity.

1609
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:26,559
Speaker 1: They're going to try to make other teams uncomfortable. And

1610
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:29,559
Speaker 1: you can certainly win that way. In the NFL, you

1611
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 1: just have there's not a lot of room margin, Ferrer,

1612
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:32,800
Speaker 1: you have to execute at a high level.

1613
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:34,559
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's a good point. I think that,

1614
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 2: you know, the main thing to me is you're not

1615
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:39,720
Speaker 2: going to just roll out of bed and win on

1616
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:42,680
Speaker 2: your talent alone if you're New England. But I do

1617
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 2: think that they have professional football players at pretty much

1618
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 2: every spot. Yeah, and that will allow them to take

1619
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:54,040
Speaker 2: advantage of other teams issues and mistakes. Yeah, right, and

1620
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 2: so they will be if they can be opportunistic like that.

1621
01:14:57,760 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 2: And I think defensively the last couple of years they

1622
01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:02,599
Speaker 2: have I've been opportunistic like that, you know, just throwing

1623
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:05,639
Speaker 2: twenty twenty out, but nineteen and last year in twenty one,

1624
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:07,639
Speaker 2: I think they have been a pretty opportunistic team.

1625
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 1: And that's what I think they're going to be, basically

1626
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 1: opportunistic on both sides of the ball. Now, all right,

1627
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:14,679
Speaker 1: you can't cover tight ends. Maybe we don't have prime

1628
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:17,880
Speaker 1: prime Gronk. We've done pretty solid tight ends in Hunter

1629
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:19,760
Speaker 1: Henry and Mi Kasiki. That'll make it pay if you

1630
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 1: give them a chance. You struggle covering in the slot.

1631
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:24,559
Speaker 1: Juju Smith Schuster is a pretty good slot receiver. You

1632
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:26,880
Speaker 1: struggle with speed, you have a slow secondary. We're gonna

1633
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 1: put Tae Kwon Thornton and Kendrick Borde out there. Yeah,

1634
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:31,600
Speaker 1: you know, you can't defend the run, well, we know

1635
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:33,880
Speaker 1: obviously they have a good rushing attack. Yeah, and then

1636
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:36,400
Speaker 1: obviously on defense, we've they've been able to kind of

1637
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 1: approach games like that the last few years that I

1638
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:40,960
Speaker 1: think is essentially going to be. This is going to

1639
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 1: be as true of a game plan team, and they've

1640
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:44,840
Speaker 1: always been a game plan team under Belichick. They probably

1641
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 1: themselves on that.

1642
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is.

1643
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 1: Going to be as true of a game plan team

1644
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 1: as I think they've ever had.

1645
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:53,840
Speaker 2: Well, it's like your bill, there's more. I'm more optimistic,

1646
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:56,240
Speaker 2: and it's the spring, and it's it's way too early

1647
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:59,720
Speaker 2: to have like big overarching takes on where the team

1648
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 2: is or anything like that. But I think seeing a

1649
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:04,559
Speaker 2: few of these OTA practices made me a little bit

1650
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:06,800
Speaker 2: more optimistic about where things are heading. Because of that,

1651
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 2: I think they do have decent roster depth, and I

1652
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:13,559
Speaker 2: do think they have, like I just said, professional football

1653
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:14,559
Speaker 2: players at every spot.

1654
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 1: It's one of those ones where like I don't know

1655
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:19,800
Speaker 1: if you've done a roster projection yet, but like early on,

1656
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 1: you go through it right before you before. This is

1657
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:24,840
Speaker 1: how I do ross projection. I think you do in

1658
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 1: the same way. Maybe other people do them differently. I

1659
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 1: go through and the first thing I do is just

1660
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 1: put down all the players that are NFL caliber talent

1661
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:36,360
Speaker 1: could realistically be on a fifty three man roster. Yeah,

1662
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 1: normally you have about sixty sixty five players. I think

1663
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:43,559
Speaker 1: I had seventy rosterble players on this team as things

1664
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 1: stand right now, and it's actually gone down one because

1665
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 1: Rayqwan McMillan got hurt, but sixty nine rosterble players on

1666
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 1: the roster. Yeah, I know.

1667
01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's a big thing. We'll see if it

1668
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 2: ends up being enough star power or high end talent.

1669
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:59,800
Speaker 2: Certainly adding DeAndre Hopkins would help. Yeah, So that's sort

1670
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 2: of where we're at here with the Patriots. Next week,

1671
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:05,559
Speaker 2: all three days Mandatory Mini Camp, I will have Patriots

1672
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:09,160
Speaker 2: Unfiltered live from Mandatory Mini Camp during practice, so you

1673
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:11,599
Speaker 2: can tune into that and get our takes in our

1674
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:13,960
Speaker 2: opinions of practice as it's going on a lot like

1675
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:16,920
Speaker 2: training camp most years. And we'll be back at same

1676
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:20,800
Speaker 2: time or actually not in the same time Thursday at

1677
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:23,559
Speaker 2: our normal time to break down all three days of

1678
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:26,880
Speaker 2: Mini camp. Continue on the DeAndre Hopkins sweep steaks and

1679
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:29,479
Speaker 2: see the latest on that, and maybe by this time

1680
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:32,840
Speaker 2: next Thursday, Alex, we'll have a really concrete idea of

1681
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:35,599
Speaker 2: the team based off of Mini Camp and DeAndre Hopkins

1682
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:36,920
Speaker 2: to catch passes from Mac Jones.

1683
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:39,719
Speaker 1: That'd be pretty cool. So we'll see you next Thursday.

1684
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for listening, and we'll be back on

1685
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:43,880
Speaker 2: video next week so you can actually see us.

1686
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:48,560
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