WEBVTT - Episode 7: Beyoncé with Angelina Burnett 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:03.600 Hello, This is Christian Bush and welcome to episode seven 0:00:03.720 --> 0:00:12.319 of Geeking Out, my new podcast. Every episode is a 0:00:12.360 --> 0:00:15.480 new person talking about what they're obsessed with that has 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:18.400 nothing to do with their job. The only requirement is 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:20.520 that they're totally geeking out on it and they want 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:23.880 to talk about it. From sharpie graffiti Chuck Taylor's to 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:28.920 cosplay wig patterns, from miniature vintage synthesizers to hidden TV 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:33.440 show tattoos, from seventies cartoon breakfast plates to beach comber 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:37.080 metal detectors. Tell me about what you love, why you 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:39.600 love it, how you got into it, and what makes 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:44.240 it awesome. Every episode is presented in three chapters. Chapter one, 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:46.639 my guest and I talk about what they're obsessed with. 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:50.200 Chapter two is a game I call trade it, where 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:52.440 my guest and I turn each other on to one 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:55.960 thing that we've discovered. And chapter three closes the show 0:00:56.000 --> 0:00:59.000 with me talking about music. Then I'm currently geeking out 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:03.760 on and why. I believe that curiosity is contagious and 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:06.560 the life is better with a soundtrack. So let's go 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:26.640 chapter one. Today's guest is Angelina Burnett. Angelina is a 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:31.000 television writer and producer who's written for incredible shows like 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:35.480 the Americans, Hannibal, and my favorite, Halt and Catch Fire, 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:38.440 which was just wrapping up its final season when we 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:42.040 recorded this interview. She also happens to be a good 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:45.560 friend of Ruth Bennett, the Friends fanatic with the amazing 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:49.480 laugh that you may remember from our last episode. My 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:52.400 producer Whitney and I went to visit Angelina at her 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:56.480 home in Venice, California, last August, and we've been looking 0:01:56.480 --> 0:02:00.880 forward to airing this episode ever since. I think you're 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:07.600 about to understand. Why how far away from the beach 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:11.800 are seven blocks? Do you walk that seven blocks a lot? Yes? 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:16.080 I do as much as I can. Hi, everybody, this 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:19.960 is Angelina. Hi um, Angelina. Tell everybody what you do. 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:23.800 I write and produced television. I just finished up on 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:26.040 a show called Help and catch Fire, which is airing now. 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:27.720 Well I don't know when this is airing, so who 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:30.560 knows a police airing, but you can see it on Netflix. 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:33.959 And what is that sound of the animal on your knee? 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:39.799 That is my Boston terrorist Hank obsessively licking my knee 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:41.880 and I will make him stop in a moment because 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:48.880 it's really obnoxious. Okay, So the rules of the podcast 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:52.680 are Um, I want you to talk about something that 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:55.520 you're totally geeked out on that has nothing to do 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:58.519 with your job. That's really easy, right, It's really easy. 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:01.480 I know what's coming, but I just wanted to make 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:05.080 sure because we set the grounds of the beginning, okay, um, 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:06.600 and this will be as long as short as you 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:09.880 needed to be. I'm just curious about your passion, Okay. 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:14.440 I am deeply and profoundly passionate about Beyonce Gaselle's Knowles Carter. 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:17.840 I recognize that this is a rather Quititian passion in 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:21.280 this day and age. Um, but I've been it's been 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:25.720 growing slowly and steadily for many years. And Lemonade feels 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:28.440 like a real justification for me because I've gotten a 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:32.400 lot of a lot of friends, uh smarty, hoity toity 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:35.440 songwriter types who think there's so much better than miss 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:39.400 Beyonce Gasels. Noals Carter and um Lemony changed a lot 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:42.840 of minds, and I feel really vindicated for those people 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:45.280 who don't know what we're talking about. Could you shorten 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:49.240 her name? And and wait, you know, if I can 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:50.720 just can I take a moment here? You can take 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:53.120 this is this is actually your moment. I need to 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:56.160 I need to share something with everyone who's listening to this, 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:57.960 and I'm hoping they will continue to share it with 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:00.200 the people they know and ask them to share it 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:05.640 with people they know. Beyonce's nickname is pronounced b. Her 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:12.280 fans are the bee Hive. In many many recorded musical performance, 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:17.880 members of her family her friends have called her b um. 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:21.040 She uses the B emoji when she posts on Instagram. 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:24.520 She did an entire tour in which she came out 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:28.400 wrapped in a b costume that opened up and she 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:32.159 stepped out of it. There were projections of bees all 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:37.119 over the stage. And yet, and yet, Johnny Come Lately 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:42.440 fans insist on calling her Bay. That is not her nickname, 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:48.919 and it's very disrespectful. Okay, I'm done, and Grant, I 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:55.320 feel that it's important interject. I'm the Christians manager and 0:04:55.400 --> 0:05:00.600 Angelina's friend. Angelina is a very intelligent, wonderful even I 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:04.720 would say, young woman who I've known since college, who 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:10.960 leads a completely functional life, but who just really likes you. Don't. 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:13.840 I don't need you. I don't need you to convince 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:16.440 them of my righteousness. So here's what I want them 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:18.720 to know is that I know, because you and I 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:20.640 have had this conversation many times, that there was a 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:22.800 point at which your fandom of Beyonce went from like 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:27.120 she's good to like she is all encompassing. Yes, she's 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:29.880 changed my life. Can you talk about I can. There's 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:32.680 actually a few moments I'm gonna walk you through the 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:39.240 evolution of my psychotic, obsessive joyful, deeply and profoundly joyful 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:45.080 and deeply seems. I've spent an incredible amount of money 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:48.080 on Beyonce, and I don't regret a single penny. I've 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:52.000 flowed across the country and sat in front of venues 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:54.599 for long periods of time to be front and center 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:59.400 for Beyonce, which Carter so when I was in college 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:01.800 one of my best friends still to this day, one 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:04.200 of my best friends who actually played soccer with Whitney 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:08.279 um Uh. She is a brilliant world round tap dancer. 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:10.400 She won a MacArthur a few years ago. She has 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:13.279 an incredible dance company called Doran's Dance, which I highly recommend. 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:16.240 If you enjoy dance, you check out um And at 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:19.040 the time she was dating an Irish step dancer and 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:22.880 they lived in this basement apartment in New York City. 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:25.479 You know you had to like walk down below the sidewalk, 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:28.360 and they had dragged this piece of plywood down into 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:31.560 their basement apartments so they could practice. And I was 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:34.800 a big time music snob. I listened to like obscure 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:38.920 jazz and you know, like modest, super new modest mouse 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:41.640 like Radioheaded BC Boys were was like mainstream as I god, 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:45.239 it was a big time snob at like nineteen and 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:49.240 um Michelle was trying to convince me that Destiny's Child 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:51.560 was like a super great fun band, and I was 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:54.880 a soul about it. So I go down to her 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:57.320 basement apartment and she's like, I'm gonna dance for you, 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:01.560 and she puts on Bill's bills bills and she with 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:04.400 her tap shoes on and her Irish step dancer girlfriend 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:10.680 start trading. And something about the rhythmic addition of the 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:14.440 tap dancing and the step dancing like unlocked the music 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:17.360 for me. So I didn't hear it as like cheesy 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:19.760 pop music that wasn't cool anymore. I heard it as 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:23.560 like this incredible rhythmic composition, and I was like, Okay, 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:26.320 maybe Destiny's Child is cool. I guess I'll check them out. 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:29.720 And so I started getting into Destiny's Child. I wasn't 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.000 like insane, but I could groo up on it. It's 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:36.000 sort of like opened my world to mainstream pop um. 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:39.280 And then I don't know circus single Ladies. That video 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:42.800 came out and I am a deep dance history nerd 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:46.920 um and I'm a huge Bob Fossy fan. Bob Fossey 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:50.240 is like responsible for all modern music videos. Like everything 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:53.640 we sort of understand is like visual music mash up 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:56.520 pop culture can all be traced back to Bob Fossey. 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:59.240 And if you could, of course, beyond Bob Fossey, go 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:01.800 to like the Chickland Circuit and the Hoofers and you 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:04.040 can get deep into jazz and black culture and again 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:06.520 tap dance um. But Bob Fossey was sort of this 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:09.960 like choke point culturally that really shifted how music videos 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:12.320 give made. And for those who don't know, and I 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:14.280 think maybe a lot do, But for those who don't, 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:17.840 the single Ladies video is a reimagining of like an 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:20.680 old Fossy trio with his wife gin Veritan, and I 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:23.080 knew the piece and so when I saw the single 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:26.400 Ladies video I was like, hold, Beyonce is pulling from 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:28.880 Fosse and the like in an overt way, not in 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:31.200 a like I don't even know what I'm channeling way, 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:34.280 And like this Jude, by the way. Rich Man's Frog, 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:37.560 which is another Fossy piece, inspired another Beyonce video called 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:40.000 Get Me Bodied, which I found after Single Ladies, when 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:43.000 I started going psychotic and doing a deep dive. Um. 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:45.240 So Single Ladies was another flashpoint, as it was for 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:47.760 many and then this is where everything really changes. This 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:49.320 is what I lost my mind. This is when I 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:51.840 became a crazy person that spent five minutes ranting about 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:56.040 a nickname. Um I heard. I at this point in 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:59.200 my life whatever mid twenties, late twenties, somewhere in there, 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:02.080 was like done with stadium shows or big arena shows. 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:04.400 Like they sound like they're not in rooms that are 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:08.400 intended for sound. Um, your ears are ringing afterwards, there's 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:10.720 too many people, it smells like beer. It's awful. I 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:12.719 hated stadium shows. I was done. I was never going 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:15.559 to another one. But I hear that Beyonce is doing 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:18.280 a five night residency at the Win in Las Vegas, 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:21.840 in like a theater and it's like a pared down 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:25.880 Vegas review version of her Big Arena Tour. And I 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:27.760 was like, you know what, I've just gotten my first 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:31.360 uh script, So like I had a nice chunk of change. 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:35.160 I've always, my whole life been incredibly financially irresponsible. So 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:37.000 rather than putting it in savings, I was like, you 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:39.800 know what, I will blow the incredible amount of money 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:41.800 that it's going to require. Because, by the way, you 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:43.840 can't just buy a ticket to see Beyonce at the Wind. 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:46.079 You have to stay at the Wind to be eligible 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:48.480 to buy a ticket, and those are not those are 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:51.040 not the cheapest rooms in Vegas. And I don't want 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:53.520 to go alone. And like, none of my friends at 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:55.720 this point who like Beyonce have the kind of money 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:57.960 to do something like this. So I called my friend 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:00.839 Matt Murphy, who former a b T answer now of 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:04.480 arts and dance photographer for the New York Times and Broadway. 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:07.319 He did the Hamilton's the photo that's on the Hamilton 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:09.959 post Yeah, the guy pointing out yeah on the Star 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:12.440 that's one of Maths photos. Um. He's amazing, and he 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:14.480 and I he's a huge Fossy fan and a dance 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:16.440 nerd like I am and we had like geeked out 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:18.800 over the single Innies video. So I was like, listen, 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:20.480 if you can pay a fear plane ticket, I got 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:22.719 everything else, and I'm gonna need you to come out 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:24.760 to Vegas and we're gonna see Beyond Stagels and all 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:28.120 his card are live for the first time. And we 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:29.800 had a great day. We chilled in the pool with 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:32.000 the drinks. Whitney we do this. This is Whitney's favorite 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:34.680 thing to do. It's you know, the Vegas chill. And 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:37.960 we started talking. We're like, you know, I'm a little worried. 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:40.240 I'm a little worried that this is going to break 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:42.760 the spell that like this sort of fun few months 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:45.640 we've had geeking out about Beyonce. We're gonna go see 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:47.679 her on a stage in a small theater without the 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:50.960 bells and whistles, and we're just gonna be like, oh, well, 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:54.120 that was fun, well lasted. Who was going to disappoint you? 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:57.080 We were anticipating disappointment because how could she live up 0:10:57.120 --> 0:11:00.200 to this like in this like geek geek Fest had 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:02.880 over the single latest video, it was all hype, no way. 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:08.600 So now a little bit more context at this point, 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:11.439 the way I listened to Beyonce albums, is like three 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:14.360 songs off of everyone. I skipped the majority of them. 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:17.200 I find many of them insipid. There's a song called Hello, 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:20.200 which is basically the line from Jerry maguire over and 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:23.760 over again, you had me at Hello. It's ridiculous, I was. 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:26.520 I laughed. I don't even actually think I'd ever listen 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:28.600 to the entire song because it was so silly. I 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:32.640 was like, skip next. So I'm in the front row 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:37.960 of the balcony of this theater, which is not that big. 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:41.280 It's a nice intimate setting for someone like fiance, and 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:43.240 I'm in my freaking dress, and I got my heels 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:45.800 on and my nails done, and Matt's in a cute outfit. 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:50.520 And the lights come down and the opening strains of 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:53.680 Hello start, and something happens in my heart. I'm like, 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:55.679 what's happening? I don't like this song? Why do I 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:58.960 feel this way? And then I realized she's not coming 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:01.319 out on stage, is coming from the back of the house, 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:04.200 and she's walking down the center and she's shaking hands 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:08.240 with her fans one man Genuflex and she laughs like, 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:11.800 oh my wonderful subjects all the while belting this song 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:14.080 Hello you had Me at Hello, And it's also like, 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:17.560 you know, a million mile an hour lyrical dance in 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:20.000 between the cheesy refrain if you had Me at Hello, 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:25.880 and I start weeping. It was the craziest I have 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:30.720 no idea where it came from. Literally like laughing, crying. 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:33.160 I turned to Matt, I pointed at my face and 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:38.200 I say, what is happening? Like it was it was physiological, 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:42.640 something rearranged in my chemical makeup, and I was a 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:45.760 different I was a different person. I cried through that 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:48.960 whole show. I cry at every Beyonce show. I have 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:51.439 not missed a tour since I've seen most tours two 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:54.280 or three times. I flew across the country when she 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:58.400 played Roseland, desperate for that intimate not Roseland wasn't Roseland, Yes, 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:01.400 desperate for that intimate experience again. And I managed to 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:03.199 be in the front row of this thing. That's why 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:05.040 I sat in line all day to be in the 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:08.120 front and was like nearly attacked by a teenage gay 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:10.280 man smacked in the back of my head with its camera. 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:13.400 It was not good vibes at all, but she was 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:15.160 right there. I could have spent on her, not that 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:17.760 I would ever spent on Fyance. So really, what it 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:21.320 is is there something about her as a live performer 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:24.559 that like, until you've seen it, And this is why 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:27.280 I felt vindicated by Lemonade. When you see her live, 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:30.320 you're like very something in there that has not come 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:34.120 out yet. She has been like twerking herself into this 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:36.719 like pop mold of what you're supposed to be, to 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:39.880 be a huge, famous pop singer, and there's something else 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:43.560 inside of her that is like screaming to come out. 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:46.120 And so that's there was something. There was this shift 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:49.040 that happened between Beyonce and Lemonade, where she went from 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:52.200 being the most studied performer I've ever seen, Like a 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:55.280 lot of times he's like, oh, that's so effortless until Lemonade. 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:58.680 Beyonce was not effortless. She was working her eyes off 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:01.959 and you saw it every second everything been. She watches 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:04.439 every show after it's done, she watches the whole thing, 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:06.599 does notes and sends them to the dancers and the 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:08.840 musicians for the next morning. She watches every show she 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:11.680 does and studies it. And you could tell and then 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:14.720 something happened. Maybe it's having a kid maybe it's having 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:18.319 a bedrillion dollars. I have no idea where she was, 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:21.600 just like you know what, I don't give off anymore. 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:27.239 And this last tour was the messiest, most vicious, most energetic, 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:30.040 give no thing I've ever seen from her. And I 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:34.400 feel so incredibly proud to have been there early on 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:37.560 and to have committed, knowing what she was capable of 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:40.240 and having been proven right. But this is why I 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:43.480 get like a little aggro that there's not for someone 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:46.080 as popular as she is and as successful as she is, 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:48.720 and as you know, ubiquitous who she is, that there 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:53.280 isn't more like actual critical thought about her entire body 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:56.080 of work. Because Lemonade is absolutely in keeping with it. 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:59.920 She has been singing about this exact her whole career, 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:02.720 and a lot of people throw, oh, she doesn't write 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:05.240 her song. She absolutely writes her songs. There's no way 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:08.120 she's collaborating with Farrell and he's writing lyrics about what 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:10.160 happens when a perm has been left in too long, 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:13.920 like Beyonce is all lyrically all over her horse. She 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:17.160 collaborates Christian as you know, collaboration is a huge part 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:22.720 of songwriting. So this these themes um women done wrong 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:25.880 by their men um, commitment to their men, commitment to 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:28.760 making it, or a girlfriend standing by each other's sisterhood 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:31.560 are the themes of all of her work. And what's 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:34.920 so great about Lemonade, It's like, you know, the wonderful 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:37.480 Sam Shepherd just passed away, and he's probably my favorite player. 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:39.840 Right He wrote the same play over and over again 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:42.480 for his entire career, and there's a couple of ones 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:45.120 that pop up where you're like, that is like the 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:47.320 distillation of all the themes he's been working with through 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:49.200 his entire career. And that's what was so exciting about 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:52.600 Lemonade was she's like she is, she has tapped the vein. Now, 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:55.480 she's been drilling down for twenty years and she's tapped 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:57.680 the vein. And what happened when she tapped the vein 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:00.640 was on one level, it was about Jay's Z. On 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:03.000 another level, it was about any woman who's been done 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:05.520 wrong and has been supported by her girlfriends. On another 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:09.800 another level, it's about black people's relationship with America. On 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:13.440 another level, it's about women's relationship with America. Like it 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:17.360 works thematically on multiple levels. And to have that album 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:19.720 come out in the context of what just happened with 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:23.160 this last election as a woman in this country, being 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:25.480 able to tap into those emotions because I've never been 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:28.200 done wrong in that way. I can't relate to having 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:32.560 been like cheated on and disrespected repeatedly. Um, but I 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:36.960 can relate to feeling, like, you know, finding my own 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:40.160 power in a situation that fights to make me powerless. 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:42.600 And the fact that she was able to take what 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:46.440 used to be like cute little pop confections, dealing with 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:48.800 like my man done done me wrong. No no, no, 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:52.840 no no, and turn it into something that like expands 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:55.720 and contracts depending on who you are and where you're 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:59.240 sitting in the culture is like a beautiful accomplishment. And 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:01.080 so when you look at it in the context of 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:04.000 her whole body of work, it's about jeez, it's about 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:06.360 every guy she ever dated, it's about her dad, it's 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:08.880 about any guy that over one of her friends. It's 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:11.640 about everyone. So you can read it however you want. 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:13.719 And I think I could be wrong. I don't know 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:18.439 the woman. Someday I hope to, but I don't necessarily 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:21.000 think she gives us what you think it's about, because 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:23.160 she knows what it means for her and you get 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:24.639 to make it whatever you want to make it for 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:32.479 you and seen this is awesome. UM, I'm very excited 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:35.920 about this. I'm glad because I didn't know. I had 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:38.760 no idea, and you know, I'm very curious. So I 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:41.679 have My daughter is twelve, and if I was to 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:45.320 start her on a Beyonce song and give her like 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:49.480 the first three, what would the first three be? Well, 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:52.200 the twelve year old throws me. Well then and again, 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:55.360 you know, if we're gonna raise strong women, and this 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:58.800 is our strong woman avatar and it is a bumblebee, 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:02.800 which is an emoji. How do I say, come on, look, 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:05.600 I need you to take one step. And here's what 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:09.840 I wanted and it came from a professional. Um. Let's see, 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:16.640 I would say, um, bills bills, bills, bills, bills, um, 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:29.000 which is Destiny's Child era UM XO from Beyonce. Just 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:35.840 flipping through my role of Deck, I would say, you 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:39.240 know what, she's twelve. Let's go for independent Women Part two, 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:45.040 the title song from Charlie's Angels. It's very straightforward. Own 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:48.840 your be your own woman, take care of yourself. It's 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:53.360 a good message. It's very accessible. 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I got it, 0:21:34.920 --> 0:21:38.919 you know, like I'll go first to give you an idea. Um, 0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:44.240 you have two and I have recently become kind of 0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:49.680 a half dog owner. Um, and I have discovered this 0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:53.600 crazy thing that apparently just because I'm like the least 0:21:53.720 --> 0:21:57.800 suburbans person, I didn't know these things existed. But the 0:21:57.880 --> 0:22:01.399 bark box right where you get the thing? And um, 0:22:01.920 --> 0:22:03.479 it comes in the mail. And I guess you can 0:22:03.520 --> 0:22:05.800 do this for clothes and things for ladies, or you 0:22:05.880 --> 0:22:07.560 do it for men, or you can do it for food. 0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:09.720 There's all sorts of ways that you can never leave 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:13.720 your house again. Right this particular thing. Do you get 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:17.520 a bark box? 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