WEBVTT - Executive Disorder: Tariff Refund Disaster, DHS Citizenship List, Idaho Bathroom Bill, Two Bombing Plots

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<v Speaker 1>Cold Zone Media.

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<v Speaker 2>This is it could happen here. Executive Disorder, our weekly

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<v Speaker 2>newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the crumbling world,

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<v Speaker 2>and what it means for you. I'm Garrison Davis today,

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<v Speaker 2>joined by Mia Wong and James Stout. This episode, we

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<v Speaker 2>are covering the week of March twenty fifth to April.

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<v Speaker 1>First, and so we're all gonna do silly things that

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<v Speaker 1>aren't really news. No, we're not going to do it

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<v Speaker 1>when I love it when outlets do that.

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<v Speaker 2>This comes out Friday, This comes out Friday, it's over.

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<v Speaker 2>It's done.

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<v Speaker 1>Normal Fish of April Day for all this French people

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<v Speaker 1>out there now.

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<v Speaker 2>With the midterm elections rapidly approaching, I know everyone's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>get tired of election news, but there is some very

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<v Speaker 2>important voting that needs to happen in these next few weeks,

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<v Speaker 2>because it could happen here. Another show called Behind the

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<v Speaker 2>Bastards and James's excellent series Migrating to America have been

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<v Speaker 2>nominated for Webby Awards. You know the Emmys. Yeah, they're

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<v Speaker 2>like those, except they're.

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<v Speaker 3>For the Internet.

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<v Speaker 2>But they're just as serious, more serious. Some people are

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<v Speaker 2>saying the Internet's obviously is more real than television.

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<v Speaker 3>No one watches TV anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like the Emmy's people who want boom is

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<v Speaker 1>people are saying.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is. This is obviously very exciting and voting

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<v Speaker 2>lasts until April sixteenth, m There will be links in

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<v Speaker 2>the show notes to vote for the three nominations that

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<v Speaker 2>we have here at Coolson Media. Migrain to America is

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<v Speaker 2>nominated for the Limited Series and Specials Podcast Documentary category.

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<v Speaker 2>Find the Bastards is the podcast features for experimental and

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<v Speaker 2>Innovation and it Could Happen Here is also nominated under

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<v Speaker 2>the limited Series category under News and Politics. It's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of confusing to navigate the website because there's just so

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<v Speaker 2>many categories, but those three links will be there below,

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<v Speaker 2>and we will continue to be talking about what is

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<v Speaker 2>arguably the most important election of our lifetimes in these

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<v Speaker 2>next few weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Pokemon, go to those links and vote for us.

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<v Speaker 2>Even if you see that you know we might be ahead,

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<v Speaker 2>stay in line, you cannot leave. We will not let

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<v Speaker 2>trump Land by ms now come on steal our spot

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<v Speaker 2>as number one. So stop the steal, do not let

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<v Speaker 2>trump Land win. Vote it could happen here April sixteenth

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<v Speaker 2>up until the sixteenth.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm. Very often vote early, foot off, vote with

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<v Speaker 1>your spary man address.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, vote vote very early, vote often. The great slogan

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<v Speaker 4>of my of my home state of Illinois.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone take this liberal direct action very seriously. Let's start

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<v Speaker 2>with some actual news. Getting serious here. Christy Nomes, husband

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<v Speaker 2>was outed as what I'm going to call a sissy

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<v Speaker 2>cross dresser with an interest in quote unquote bimboth occasion.

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<v Speaker 2>Gnome as governor, signed a joint state letter attacking trans

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<v Speaker 2>writes there's so much gendered angst among these conservatives projection, etca,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera. Representatives for Nome released a statement after this

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<v Speaker 2>news dropped. Quote Missnome, which is interesting. Quote Missnome is devastated.

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<v Speaker 2>The family was blindsided by this, and they ask for

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<v Speaker 2>privacy and prayers at this time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah cool.

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<v Speaker 4>I think I think we need to we need to

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<v Speaker 4>expand the right to arm bears to the right to

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<v Speaker 4>arm dogs. This is my final statement on this matter.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's not a great month for the Nomes. After

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<v Speaker 1>she joined this Shield of America's task force, which so

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<v Speaker 1>far has existed for less than a month and already

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<v Speaker 1>bombed the wrong country once.

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<v Speaker 3>Jesus Christ.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>In other important news, four hundred and thirteen thousand, seven

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and ninety three KitKat bars were stolen in transit

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<v Speaker 2>from Italy to Poland.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, when you get that statistic, is that four hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and thirteen, seven hundred and ninety three four finger bars

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<v Speaker 1>or is that one hundred thousand and you're counting each

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<v Speaker 1>finger separately.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's each packaged bar, including some of the new

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<v Speaker 2>limited edition Formula one and Chunky bars.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's been a thing in the UK for like

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years, Kitkatch.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a new version. This is a new version,

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<v Speaker 2>according to a press release from KitKat. Okay, So if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to argue with KitKat.

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<v Speaker 1>I think what you're seeing is is called cool Britannia.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a phenomenon by which British culture is slowly taken

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<v Speaker 1>over the world.

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<v Speaker 2>This is twelve tons of KitKat bars that were stolen.

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<v Speaker 2>Their whereabouts are currently unknown. An on duty Secret Service

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<v Speaker 2>agent assigned to Joe Biden shot himself while at the

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<v Speaker 2>Philadelphia airport last week. Look, the lines are bad, but

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<v Speaker 2>come on, it's not that that this was a negligick discharge.

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<v Speaker 2>While the agent was traveling through the airport in an

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<v Speaker 2>unmarked car. Jill Biden was not in the imedate area

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<v Speaker 2>at the time of the shooting. Last weekend, Trump signed

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<v Speaker 2>an executive order to start paying TSA agents as the

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<v Speaker 2>Senate and House failed to agree on a DHS funding bill.

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<v Speaker 2>Congress has adjourned for two weeks as the shutdown continues

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<v Speaker 2>to set new records for the longest in any federal

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<v Speaker 2>agency's history. Quick update here, literally as we were recording,

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<v Speaker 2>House Republicans caved and agreed to the Senate bill to

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<v Speaker 2>fund DHS except for ICE and CBP, which Republicans will

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<v Speaker 2>be trying to fund later in a reconciliation bill. But

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<v Speaker 2>as of Wednesday afternoon, it looks like Congress has finally

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<v Speaker 2>reached a funding package for the rest of DHS. Politico

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<v Speaker 2>has reported that acting ICE Director Todd Lyons has been

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<v Speaker 2>hospitalized at least twice for stress related issues. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>while working to implement Trump's immigration policy.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's specifically like because they're shouting him for

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<v Speaker 1>not hitting the targets.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, because Stephen Miller has been calling lions, yelling at him,

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<v Speaker 2>quote unquote, yelling about not hitting certain immigration targets yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and Trump has yet to endorse still still yet to

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<v Speaker 2>endorse anyone in the Texas run off between John Cornyn

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<v Speaker 2>and Ken Paxton. Early reports indicated Trump would back corn

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<v Speaker 2>In the incumbent, but recently Paxton has been seen meeting

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<v Speaker 2>with Trump at Mora Lago and what have been reported

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<v Speaker 2>as quote unquote positive meetings.

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<v Speaker 1>A Russian oil tanker has dogged in Cuba after the

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<v Speaker 1>United States allowed it to break the blockade on the island.

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<v Speaker 1>As we reported last week, it's been a massive shortage

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<v Speaker 1>of oil in Cuba. This will alleviate that slightly.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>A US marine, probably former US Marine now if not

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<v Speaker 1>very shortly to be former US marine, has been charged

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<v Speaker 1>with federal offensive after allegedly selling millions of rounds of ammunition,

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<v Speaker 1>including one which isn't normally available for civilian purchase, and

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<v Speaker 1>javelins in Arizona. Javelin yeah, yeah, Just for those those

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<v Speaker 1>who are not familiar javelin, I'm not talking about like

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<v Speaker 1>a spear here, I'm talking about a guided anti tank missile.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh shit.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, who was he trying to sell it to?

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<v Speaker 1>So he selled them to two people who acted as

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<v Speaker 1>brokers are two unindicted co conspirators, and then they seld

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<v Speaker 1>them to other people and an undercover agent was able

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<v Speaker 1>to purchase some of the ammunition. Guy's name is Andrew

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<v Speaker 1>paul A Marius. He was indicted by grand jury this week.

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<v Speaker 1>He was an ammunition tech at Pendleton. But he brought

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<v Speaker 1>them to Arizona to sell. And at this time, about

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<v Speaker 1>two million rounds are not recovered. Great, it's not clear

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<v Speaker 1>if there are still javelins in circulation. Basically, they don't

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<v Speaker 1>know where the javelins are. They lost, they recovered a javelin,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't know if they would cover all the.

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<v Speaker 4>Java so put potentially there are just anti tank rockets

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<v Speaker 4>out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait a minute, Wait a minute, they're with the Kitkats.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it's a joint operation.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe that's how they stop that large Kitcat truck they

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<v Speaker 1>hit hit the vehicle with javel in. The Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>one of those growth operations. You know, you get one javelin,

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<v Speaker 1>you strike a KitKat vehicle, you sell the Kitcats. Now

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<v Speaker 1>you got two javelins. You hit the mars bar vehicle. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>this is capitalism in action.

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<v Speaker 4>Hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>And then let's let's return to Arizona where normal things happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Also in Arizona, a grand jury has indicted a man

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<v Speaker 1>for material support for a foreign terrorist organization after he

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<v Speaker 1>allegedly sold weapons that he intended to provide to the

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<v Speaker 1>cjn D and CDs and cartels and cart A lot So,

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<v Speaker 1>two of the larger Mexican cartels. Right, these are two

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<v Speaker 1>groups that were listed as fdos by the Trump administration

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<v Speaker 1>very early on last year. Lawrence Gray, sixty five was

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<v Speaker 1>a federal firearms licensee. He owned a shop called Grips

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<v Speaker 1>by Larry. He sold fancy grips for nineteen elevens. He

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<v Speaker 1>was already facing a raft of weapons charges after selling

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<v Speaker 1>a fifty caliber barrett A semi auto belfed and of

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<v Speaker 1>course a thirty eight Super nineteen eleven pistol to a

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<v Speaker 1>confidential informant. The thirty eight Super nineteen eleven pistol. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the reason I say, of course, is because any time

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<v Speaker 1>people get busted for illegal weapons sales in the Southwest,

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<v Speaker 1>there always seems to be a thirty eight Super nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eleven involved. That they're very much like a status gun

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<v Speaker 1>in organized crime in Mexico because certain calibers are less

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<v Speaker 1>available there. Thirty eight Super is pretty most like uniquely

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<v Speaker 1>associated with that market. Like it always seemed to that

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<v Speaker 1>pops up in busts and he was selling fancy grips,

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<v Speaker 1>some of which had symbology, which sometimes is used by

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<v Speaker 1>organized crime groups in Mexico. Anyway, this is the first

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<v Speaker 1>time I've seen a material support for terrorism charge for

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<v Speaker 1>one of these cartels who were recently designated as ftos,

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<v Speaker 1>so that was interesting to me. Finally, Israel has passed

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<v Speaker 1>a law allowing the death penalty for murder that it

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<v Speaker 1>uses a phrase quote with the intent of rejecting the

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<v Speaker 1>existence of the state of Israel. It appears to be

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<v Speaker 1>a binary system of punishment.

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<v Speaker 6>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems that the death penalty is only going to

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<v Speaker 1>pertain to Palestinian people here. Yeah, it's worth noting that

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<v Speaker 1>the Palatinians is the West Bank tried in military courts

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<v Speaker 1>and they face a very high conviction rate. Often people

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<v Speaker 1>will admit, I think we can safety say that they

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<v Speaker 1>admit under duress in conditions it would not generally be

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<v Speaker 1>considered applicable with justice.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>This is I mean, this is an apart our legal

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<v Speaker 1>system on top of everything else. Right, Israel previously haven't

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<v Speaker 1>had the death penalty. Other than for certain war crimes,

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<v Speaker 1>which is and of itself quite amusing given the stuff

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<v Speaker 1>we will talk about later in this very episode.

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<v Speaker 4>One of the really bleak things about this is, oh, God,

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<v Speaker 4>Ben Vier, who's been who's the Minister of National Security,

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<v Speaker 4>the unbelievably unhinged right winger who's been campaigning for this law,

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<v Speaker 4>has been going around with a bunch of his parliamentary

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<v Speaker 4>factions wearing yellow noose pins.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is their thing.

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<v Speaker 4>And in support of this. So it's really truly cannot

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<v Speaker 4>be clearer what this is about.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, that's there, like their version of the market,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, like the branding of their movement is is

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<v Speaker 1>this news pin?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well it's it's.

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<v Speaker 4>It's it's it's it's specifically, it's the thing that they've

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<v Speaker 4>replaced the like the ribbon they were wearing for the

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<v Speaker 4>hostages has now just been replaced.

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<v Speaker 1>With the noose with the news. Yeah, where you discus

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus Christ.

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<v Speaker 2>There is one more little thing I'd like to mention.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a Daily Mail article that went viral, Oh

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<v Speaker 2>the best news coming from the Daily Mail that carried

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<v Speaker 2>the headline quote bullet used to kill Charlie Kirk did

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<v Speaker 2>not match rifle allegedly used by suspect Tyler Robinson. God.

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<v Speaker 2>So this article is reporting on emotion filed by the defense,

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<v Speaker 2>characterizing findings that are still yet to be fully resolved

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<v Speaker 2>from the ATF. This does not mean that a different

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<v Speaker 2>gun was used. What it means is that the ATF

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<v Speaker 2>was maybe unable to positively match the bullet fragments to

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<v Speaker 2>the gun, which does not mean that this was a

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<v Speaker 2>negative match. This did not come from that gun, but

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<v Speaker 2>that the fragments could not be positively linked to the

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<v Speaker 2>gun against his emotion filed by the defense doing what

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<v Speaker 2>they need to do, which is legally defend this man,

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<v Speaker 2>like that is that is their job? Yeah, and that

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<v Speaker 2>is what they are doing. The characterization of this motion

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<v Speaker 2>by the Daily Mail is designed to drive a clickbait

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<v Speaker 2>and it's being used to encourage this sort of conspiracy

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<v Speaker 2>around the charliekirk shooting, that there was this like other

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<v Speaker 2>currently unknown shooter, possibly foreign ties. That it's a very

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<v Speaker 2>very popular thing right now on the internet.

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<v Speaker 1>The grassy meal theory of Charlie kirkshit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that basically like a Masad agent where was hiding somewhere?

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, and Tyler Robinson is a Patsy Tyler Robinson

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<v Speaker 2>obviously innocent until proven guilty. This is going to get

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<v Speaker 2>settled in court. But the characterization of the early findings

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<v Speaker 2>by the ATF through the Daily Mail was a bit misleading.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they daily fail.

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<v Speaker 4>And also I think it's worth mentioning that like this

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<v Speaker 4>kind of bullet matching stuff is just as a forensic science,

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<v Speaker 4>and this is true of a lot of the sort

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<v Speaker 4>of forensic sciences that are used in used in courts.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I think Robert has talked on Behind the Bastard's

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<v Speaker 4>about like a bunch of like the fire pattern stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>This is kind of in the same category as that,

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<v Speaker 4>in that it's not very good even.

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<v Speaker 3>To begin with.

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<v Speaker 4>And so what we have here is a bad mischaracterization

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<v Speaker 4>of a report of like an incomplete analysis from a

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<v Speaker 4>not very good piece of forensic technology that's being used

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<v Speaker 4>to do conspiracy because it makes money.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we will certainly follow this case as it actually

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<v Speaker 2>riches trial, as there will be.

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<v Speaker 3>Many interesting things that come out to the course of

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<v Speaker 3>that trial.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So let's begin by talking about immigration with this.

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<v Speaker 1>Brad Land more or less broke this right on his

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<v Speaker 1>social media accounts. The United States Department of Justice, via

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<v Speaker 1>the United States Attorneys Obviously in New York, has admitted

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<v Speaker 1>that it was misguided by ICE attorneys in asserting that

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<v Speaker 1>they could detain migrants in immigration court. There was a

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<v Speaker 1>memo right, an ICE guidance memo that they relied on.

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<v Speaker 1>The memo they now say should have applied to other courts,

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<v Speaker 1>but not to the Executive Office of Immigration Review. The

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<v Speaker 1>declaration came in a New York court suit filed by

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<v Speaker 1>the ACLU on behalf of advocacy groups which had challenged

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<v Speaker 1>at courthouse arrests. That's been happening for about a year now,

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<v Speaker 1>as I'm sure most people are aware. In the filing,

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<v Speaker 1>the USDJ said quote this error, however, was not caused

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<v Speaker 1>by a lack of diligence and care by the undersigned attorneys.

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<v Speaker 1>The undersigned was specifically informed by ICE at the twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five ICE guidance applied to immigration courthouse arrests. In addition,

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<v Speaker 1>we discussed and obtained the approval of assigned ICE Council

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<v Speaker 1>before filing every brief in this case and making any

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<v Speaker 1>oral representations to the court and the plaintiffs. We also

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<v Speaker 1>transmitted copies of the Court's orders transcript to the September second,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty five oral argument and plaintiff's filings to ICE

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<v Speaker 1>Council throughout its litigation. Based on our discussions with ICE today,

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<v Speaker 1>this regrettable error appears to have occurred because of agency

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<v Speaker 1>attorney error. So what you've got there is a US

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<v Speaker 1>attorney basically saying, like, not my fault, ICE attorney's fault.

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<v Speaker 1>Relatively unusual statement.

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<v Speaker 7>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously, we've seen them attempts to kind of split the

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<v Speaker 1>executive branch before in these legal filings. Right, we saw

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<v Speaker 1>we saw this happen in some of those cases in Minnesota,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the judge rejected that.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>The ACLU, in a letter of response, noted the wide

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<v Speaker 1>reaching consequences here, and it's asked for fourteen days to

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<v Speaker 1>consider what to do next and file in motion the

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<v Speaker 1>memo in question. Right, This ICE guidance memo said the

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<v Speaker 1>quote civil immigration enforcement actions in or near court houses

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<v Speaker 1>when they have credible information that leads them to believe

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<v Speaker 1>the targeted aliens alien brackets s IS or will be

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<v Speaker 1>present in a specific location. It said those were permissible. Right. DHS, however,

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<v Speaker 1>has said that there will not be a change in

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<v Speaker 1>their policy going forward. It's unlikely that they will stop

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<v Speaker 1>until they are told by a court to do so. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So what it seems here is that the ICE attorney

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<v Speaker 1>has for some reason reconsidered, perhaps because of this ongoing

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<v Speaker 1>case in New York, what they had said there, and

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<v Speaker 1>now attempted to walk back something that they have been

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<v Speaker 1>doing for a year. This will not change the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that people who have probably been arrested in those courthouses.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no doubt many of them have already been

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<v Speaker 1>deported from the United States. Right, many more of them

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<v Speaker 1>will have suffered material damage if they have not been deported,

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<v Speaker 1>because they will have been detained in horrific conditions. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>We've seen more photos today from inside immigration and attention.

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<v Speaker 1>Immigration detention has always been horrific. It continues to be horrific.

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<v Speaker 1>We can't make those people whole again in a meaningful way.

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<v Speaker 1>But what it means going forward we will keep reporting.

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<v Speaker 1>Another deportation story. I want to talk about a deportation

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<v Speaker 1>flight on Monday landed in Mianma. The flight also stopped

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<v Speaker 1>in Thailand, and it is the fifth such deportation flight

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm aware of. I know of two that were announced.

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<v Speaker 1>These have not been previously reported, but in March of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty five. At the time was a state administration council.

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<v Speaker 1>The Mianmar military dictatorship is going through the process of

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<v Speaker 1>changing its clothes and pretending to be a civilian government

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<v Speaker 1>right now, that doesn't matter for this story. In the

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<v Speaker 1>second of March twenty twenty five, the illegitimate government of

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<v Speaker 1>Myanmar announced that it had received two individual deporties, one

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<v Speaker 1>on each flight. In April and May of that year,

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<v Speaker 1>they received more, so we now believe that twenty two

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<v Speaker 1>people had been deported up to this Monday. More people,

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<v Speaker 1>it appears from this flight, have been deported on Monday.

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<v Speaker 1>The last deportation flight resulted in the deporties being detained

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<v Speaker 1>and tortured by miaan Mar's brutal military intelligence. The flight

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<v Speaker 1>was a bordered jet owned by Journey Aviation and it

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<v Speaker 1>returned via Sydney to the United States of America. The

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<v Speaker 1>United States has been trying to counsel the temporary protected

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<v Speaker 1>status for Burmese people for some time, but even with

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<v Speaker 1>a TPS, it's worth noting that people, some people have

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<v Speaker 1>been convicted of crimes and for other exceptions, can still

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<v Speaker 1>be deported the hunter said in a press release last year, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>the MEANMAGU meant is cooperating with the relevant US federal

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<v Speaker 1>entities in verifying and accepting deportees to Mianma. This and

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<v Speaker 1>some other things a Trump administration have done. They've tried

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<v Speaker 1>to characterize it a de facto recognition of their right

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<v Speaker 1>to rule the country. Yeah, very clearly, the reason that

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<v Speaker 1>they're talking about these deportations is because they're flexing that. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>the US government is talking to us downstream effects. I

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<v Speaker 1>think the world is nargely not taking that seriously. But

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<v Speaker 1>nonetheless they are using that, whether it's for external internal signaling.

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<v Speaker 1>The last time has happened according to me Ama now

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<v Speaker 1>the deporties were taken straight to the on Tarpi Interrogation Center,

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<v Speaker 1>and last time it was mostly ethnically Koren or Chin people.

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<v Speaker 1>So these are not people. It's a majority ethnicity, right,

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<v Speaker 1>The majority ethnicity, the ethnicity that comprises most of the

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<v Speaker 1>armed forces is or certainly most of the high ranks

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<v Speaker 1>of the armed forces are Bama people. If people want

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<v Speaker 1>to listen to more about me and Ma, Robert and

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<v Speaker 1>I have made two very extensive series about that, we

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<v Speaker 1>will link to talking of torture. Here are some advertisements

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<v Speaker 1>which are like torture for your ears.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people actually like torture.

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<v Speaker 1>Just to clarify Garrison, I don't think this is the

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<v Speaker 1>kind that people like.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people might like those ads. There is a huge

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<v Speaker 2>industry of watching vintage advertising on YouTube, just like like

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<v Speaker 2>edits together of like old ads. People love that stuff. Weird,

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<v Speaker 2>weird nostalgic capitalism. Brain.

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<v Speaker 1>It is funny to look at the old ads. When

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<v Speaker 1>I was doing my archival research, I'd find like nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>twenties and nineteen thirties ads and you're like, oh, what

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<v Speaker 1>you're selling is drugs, but so true.

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<v Speaker 2>So true.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's like the two kinds of early nineteen hundreds

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<v Speaker 4>ads are drugs and you should buy this because it

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<v Speaker 4>has a swastika on it.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's just like some form of racism in marketing.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, what's theayed racist in like nineteen oh five? I

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<v Speaker 3>mean kind of yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And guys, it's a British simple originally, guys, it's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's return to our name's sake and discuss two executive orders.

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<v Speaker 2>As the voting restriction bill dubbed the Save America Act,

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<v Speaker 2>continues to stall in Congress. Trump's attempted to take matters

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<v Speaker 2>into his own hands by signing a new executive order

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<v Speaker 2>quote ensuring Citizenship of Verification and Integrity in federal elections.

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<v Speaker 2>This order directs DHS, USCIS and the Social Security Administration

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<v Speaker 2>to create a quote state citizenship list of individuals confirmed

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<v Speaker 2>to be United States citizens who will be above the

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<v Speaker 2>age of eighteen at the time of an upcoming federal

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<v Speaker 2>election and who maintain a residence in the subject state unquote.

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<v Speaker 2>And this citizenship list will then be used to compare

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<v Speaker 2>to state voter rules. The list will be derived from

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<v Speaker 2>quote Federal citizenship and Naturalization records, Social Security Administration records,

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<v Speaker 2>the DHS Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements data, and other

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<v Speaker 2>relevant federal databases.

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<v Speaker 3>Unquote.

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<v Speaker 2>James, do you want to talk about this idea of

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<v Speaker 2>having like a list of citizens, because this is I

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<v Speaker 2>think something we've we've mentioned before. How there to this

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<v Speaker 2>point hasn't really been like a single list of US citizens.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because you can obtain United States citizenships through a

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<v Speaker 1>number of means, right, Yeah, So these would exist in

0:22:37.800 --> 0:22:42.400
<v Speaker 1>different agencies, and generally there has been like a hostility,

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<v Speaker 1>a well founded like hostility to to this kind of

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<v Speaker 1>overarching government like in out list, right, not least because

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<v Speaker 1>they will screw it up monumentally.

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<v Speaker 2>That could have devastating consequences in a fact, not just

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<v Speaker 2>your ability to vote, but as we have seen through

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<v Speaker 2>the as to your vice enforcement, your ability to remain

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<v Speaker 2>in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, and just every part of everyday life, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>not at least to add that, like one of the

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<v Speaker 1>one of the ways you can obtain United States citizenship

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<v Speaker 1>is through being in a world tribal citizen. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if that consulting tribal citizenship, world don't.

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<v Speaker 2>There was nothing about that in the in the order.

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<v Speaker 4>I legitimately do not think the people who are pushing

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<v Speaker 4>this understand that that's a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they don't think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not. It's not a group of

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<v Speaker 1>people who they care about.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. Earlier today, during the Supreme Court oral arguments on

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<v Speaker 2>birthright citizenship, which which Trump attended for ninety minutes and

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<v Speaker 2>then and then left because he wasn't happy with the

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<v Speaker 2>way I was going, Gorsich asked the Seasons Solicitor General

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<v Speaker 2>if he thinks Native Americans are birthright citizens under their test,

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<v Speaker 2>to which these listener General replied, ah, I think so,

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<v Speaker 2>and then said I'll have to think that through. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>my fucking god. He later indicated that they probably would.

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<v Speaker 2>But this just shows that they aren't really like thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about all these sorts of things. It's not necessarily like,

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<v Speaker 2>in that case, trying to be intentionally harmful. It shows

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<v Speaker 2>just that they're not even like thinking about these sorts

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<v Speaker 2>of things that could have really really devastating effects if implemented. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>which is like an odd part of the Trump administration

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<v Speaker 2>has like not everything bad they're doing is necessarily has

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<v Speaker 2>every single specific implementation.

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<v Speaker 3>Pathway in mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but when implemented is like still is still devastating

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<v Speaker 2>to people's lives.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to say one thing about the birthright citizenship thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Josh Chafitz, who's a professor of law at Georgetown Law

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<v Speaker 4>Law in Politics, had a very good point about this,

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<v Speaker 4>which I think is worth making, which is like, part

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<v Speaker 4>of what's going on here is that the trumpministration is

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<v Speaker 4>trying to carve out like a specific thing called birthright citizenship.

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<v Speaker 4>That's like a thing that you get if you have

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<v Speaker 4>two immigrant parents. But birthright citizenship is a citizenship that

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<v Speaker 4>every single person in the US has. Yeah, it's everyone's

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<v Speaker 4>there's no there's no distinction. There's not like a different

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<v Speaker 4>kind of citizenship you get if you have two immigrant

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<v Speaker 4>parents versus if you have like parents that were like

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<v Speaker 4>born in the US. Right, Like it's all one thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Every single person in the United States has the same

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<v Speaker 4>kind of citizenship. But the moment you start trying to

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<v Speaker 4>like hack apart different people citizenship right, you try to

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<v Speaker 4>you try.

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<v Speaker 3>To like you know, like like make there be like.

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<v Speaker 4>Classes of of how you're a citizen through like this

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<v Speaker 4>whole birthright citizenship complaint that they're doing right, and to

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<v Speaker 4>be like, oh, well, just these people who were like

0:25:36.200 --> 0:25:39.560
<v Speaker 4>born to immigrants are birthright citizens right. That's one of

0:25:39.600 --> 0:25:42.480
<v Speaker 4>the ways you start getting into these like fucking hideous

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<v Speaker 4>issues of like okay, are people with tribal membership like

0:25:45.880 --> 0:25:47.800
<v Speaker 4>you know, residencies like citizens right. It's like all of

0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:49.639
<v Speaker 4>the stuff is like downstream with this effect to like

0:25:50.200 --> 0:25:51.520
<v Speaker 4>cut citizenship apart.

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<v Speaker 3>That needs to just be.

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<v Speaker 4>Resisted, like from the fundamental thing of there is not

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<v Speaker 4>a different category of people called look like birthright citizens

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<v Speaker 4>that's every single person in the US.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, unless they naturalized, right, unless you're a naturalized citizen.

0:26:03.040 --> 0:26:05.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and what's' naturalized? Yeah yeah, And even then you're

0:26:05.640 --> 0:26:06.640
<v Speaker 3>still just a citizen.

0:26:07.160 --> 0:26:08.760
<v Speaker 1>Then you become a citizen, you just go into the

0:26:08.760 --> 0:26:09.760
<v Speaker 1>citizen bucket as well.

0:26:09.960 --> 0:26:11.200
<v Speaker 3>Then you are now citizens.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, And the moment you cut that apart, like

0:26:13.520 --> 0:26:15.840
<v Speaker 4>it's terrible, terrible things happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, twenty twenty four and made the episode as Robert

0:26:19.240 --> 0:26:22.159
<v Speaker 1>and Sophie in which we discuss potential at tax on

0:26:22.280 --> 0:26:25.640
<v Speaker 1>citizenship and potential ways of Trump, and we get into

0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:28.360
<v Speaker 1>the birth right citizenship and the we get into where

0:26:28.400 --> 0:26:30.639
<v Speaker 1>it comes from and the fact that this is not

0:26:31.119 --> 0:26:33.399
<v Speaker 1>an issue about which there has been legal debate. You

0:26:33.440 --> 0:26:35.920
<v Speaker 1>will now see articles being like the debate about birth

0:26:35.960 --> 0:26:38.280
<v Speaker 1>right citizenship. That is, people pulling things out of their

0:26:38.280 --> 0:26:41.040
<v Speaker 1>ass to create two sides on an issue which has

0:26:41.040 --> 0:26:45.040
<v Speaker 1>been settled for quite literally decades, if not centuries.

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<v Speaker 3>No, yeah, I will probably.

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<v Speaker 1>Trying to do something else on birth right citizenship. The

0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:50.520
<v Speaker 1>reason I haven't done a lot is because there isn't

0:26:50.560 --> 0:26:53.920
<v Speaker 1>a great deal to say. Yeah, like, birth right citizenship

0:26:53.960 --> 0:26:55.600
<v Speaker 1>is a thing in the United States that has been

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<v Speaker 1>a thing in the United States for a very long time.

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<v Speaker 5>It's just in the constitution just says that since that, Yeah,

0:27:01.440 --> 0:27:02.960
<v Speaker 5>there are some people who want to take it away,

0:27:03.720 --> 0:27:06.920
<v Speaker 5>and it's specifically like we did that after we ended

0:27:06.960 --> 0:27:09.960
<v Speaker 5>chattel slavery, right like for a very good reason. Yeah,

0:27:10.040 --> 0:27:12.320
<v Speaker 5>and pushing back on the things we did after we

0:27:12.400 --> 0:27:16.800
<v Speaker 5>ended chattel slavery is bad actually, But yeah, I will

0:27:16.800 --> 0:27:18.720
<v Speaker 5>maybe I'll do another episode because I know we've picked

0:27:18.760 --> 0:27:20.200
<v Speaker 5>up a lot of new listeners since then.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Trump's new executive Order on citizenship verification for elections

0:27:27.040 --> 0:27:30.200
<v Speaker 2>also states, quote, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall establish

0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:35.160
<v Speaker 2>procedures to allow individuals to access their individual records, as

0:27:35.200 --> 0:27:38.920
<v Speaker 2>well as to update or correct them in advance of elections.

0:27:39.320 --> 0:27:42.080
<v Speaker 2>Unquote unclear how this is going to work, if it

0:27:42.200 --> 0:27:44.960
<v Speaker 2>even is going to work. It's still not clear that

0:27:45.000 --> 0:27:48.200
<v Speaker 2>this executive order will actually be implemented as written because

0:27:48.200 --> 0:27:52.199
<v Speaker 2>of potential constitutional violations. But you know, this would be

0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:54.760
<v Speaker 2>in an attempt to address some of the some of

0:27:54.800 --> 0:27:58.680
<v Speaker 2>the pretty big issues that we're saying about someone maybe

0:27:58.720 --> 0:28:00.719
<v Speaker 2>a citizen and not show up as a citizen in

0:28:00.800 --> 0:28:03.240
<v Speaker 2>these databases for a number of reasons, whether it's because

0:28:03.240 --> 0:28:06.639
<v Speaker 2>they were naturalized or even in some cases where granted

0:28:06.680 --> 0:28:12.080
<v Speaker 2>citizenship through one of their parents after being in the

0:28:12.160 --> 0:28:16.320
<v Speaker 2>sole legal custody of that parent, who is a US

0:28:16.480 --> 0:28:20.000
<v Speaker 2>citizen before this individual is eighteen. This is called the

0:28:20.080 --> 0:28:24.560
<v Speaker 2>Childhood Citizenship Act of two thousand, which makes a permanent

0:28:24.600 --> 0:28:27.360
<v Speaker 2>resident become a citizen if they're living with a US

0:28:27.480 --> 0:28:32.320
<v Speaker 2>citizen parent and things like that. Citizenship kind of rolls

0:28:32.480 --> 0:28:37.480
<v Speaker 2>over from permanent residency without ever actually having to become naturalized,

0:28:37.800 --> 0:28:40.360
<v Speaker 2>and getting that added to any kind of database doesn't

0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:42.560
<v Speaker 2>really happen by itself. You have to then apply for

0:28:42.640 --> 0:28:46.719
<v Speaker 2>proof of citizenship like a passport or a certificate. So

0:28:46.800 --> 0:28:49.400
<v Speaker 2>there's all these sorts of weird instances where someone is

0:28:49.400 --> 0:28:50.960
<v Speaker 2>a citizen but it may not show up in these

0:28:51.000 --> 0:28:53.560
<v Speaker 2>sorts of records, including social security records.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I should just clarify that, like, not all tribal

0:28:56.760 --> 0:29:00.440
<v Speaker 1>members are necessarily US citizens, but tribal membership document sometimes

0:29:00.480 --> 0:29:02.720
<v Speaker 1>be used, like Garrison was saying, right, as a way

0:29:02.720 --> 0:29:05.719
<v Speaker 1>to prove United States citizenship. It's just more than one

0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:08.680
<v Speaker 1>hundred years now since the Indian Citizenship Act of nineteen

0:29:08.680 --> 0:29:12.080
<v Speaker 1>twenty four, Right, there may still be people alive today

0:29:12.720 --> 0:29:16.120
<v Speaker 1>who were made citizens by that act but would not

0:29:16.240 --> 0:29:19.360
<v Speaker 1>have any particular documentation that's personal to them to show that.

0:29:20.320 --> 0:29:23.440
<v Speaker 2>The executive order also writes that the Attorney General will

0:29:23.440 --> 0:29:27.959
<v Speaker 2>investigate and prosecute state officials, local officials, individuals, and public

0:29:28.040 --> 0:29:31.320
<v Speaker 2>or private entities who issue federal ballots to individuals not

0:29:31.560 --> 0:29:35.560
<v Speaker 2>eligible to vote, or aid an a bet the printing, production, shipment,

0:29:35.680 --> 0:29:39.200
<v Speaker 2>or distribution of ballots to those ineligible to vote.

0:29:39.520 --> 0:29:41.080
<v Speaker 1>That's what we call a chilling effect.

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<v Speaker 2>The second half of the order takes on vote by

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<v Speaker 2>mail by instructing the Postmaster General to initiate a proposed

0:29:48.880 --> 0:29:53.160
<v Speaker 2>rule making that requires states to submit lists of voters

0:29:53.200 --> 0:29:56.040
<v Speaker 2>who will be provided mail in or absen zee ballots

0:29:56.200 --> 0:29:58.680
<v Speaker 2>at least sixty days before an election, and that the

0:29:58.760 --> 0:30:03.240
<v Speaker 2>USPS shall not transmit any ballots for anyone not on

0:30:03.280 --> 0:30:06.880
<v Speaker 2>this state citizenship list. Now, all of this is intended

0:30:06.920 --> 0:30:10.040
<v Speaker 2>to take effect before the midterm elections, with the DHS

0:30:10.080 --> 0:30:13.960
<v Speaker 2>instructed to establish the infrastructure necessary to compile, maintain, and

0:30:14.080 --> 0:30:18.240
<v Speaker 2>transmit the state citizenship list within ninety days. Though this

0:30:18.320 --> 0:30:21.000
<v Speaker 2>executive order may very well be blocked by courts for

0:30:21.080 --> 0:30:25.120
<v Speaker 2>being an unconstitutional breach of presidential power, the followut of

0:30:25.120 --> 0:30:27.480
<v Speaker 2>this will be determined in the next few weeks as

0:30:27.680 --> 0:30:33.040
<v Speaker 2>states and legal entities prepare lawsuits. Let's talk about one

0:30:33.080 --> 0:30:37.080
<v Speaker 2>other executive order. On Tuesday, a federal judge ruled that

0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:40.920
<v Speaker 2>a key section of the executive order quote ending taxpayer

0:30:41.000 --> 0:30:46.760
<v Speaker 2>subsitization of biased media, is unconstitutional. In this order, Trump

0:30:46.760 --> 0:30:50.080
<v Speaker 2>instructed all federal agencies to cut funding to PBS and NPR.

0:30:50.640 --> 0:30:53.480
<v Speaker 2>The judge in this case wrote that the President can

0:30:53.560 --> 0:30:57.440
<v Speaker 2>criticize reporting from such outlets and fund programs that promote

0:30:57.440 --> 0:31:01.320
<v Speaker 2>specific perspectives and impose limits on funchal grants, but under

0:31:01.320 --> 0:31:03.800
<v Speaker 2>the First Amendment, the government cannot use the power of

0:31:03.840 --> 0:31:08.480
<v Speaker 2>the purse to quote, punish or suppress disfavored expression by others,

0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:12.680
<v Speaker 2>writing that both the Supreme Court and the DC Circuit

0:31:12.720 --> 0:31:16.280
<v Speaker 2>Court have repeatedly observed that one quote may not deny

0:31:16.400 --> 0:31:19.440
<v Speaker 2>a benefit to a person on the basis that infringes

0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:22.320
<v Speaker 2>his constitutionally protected freedom of speech, even if he has

0:31:22.360 --> 0:31:26.360
<v Speaker 2>no entitlement to that benefit unquote. The judge rights that

0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:29.680
<v Speaker 2>the Executive order quote does not define or regulate the

0:31:29.720 --> 0:31:33.160
<v Speaker 2>content of government speech or ensure compliance with the federal program,

0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:36.880
<v Speaker 2>nor does it set neutral and germane criteria that apply

0:31:37.000 --> 0:31:38.760
<v Speaker 2>to all applicants for a federal grant.

0:31:38.760 --> 0:31:39.160
<v Speaker 3>Program.

0:31:39.160 --> 0:31:41.160
<v Speaker 2>Instead, it singles out to two speakers and on the

0:31:41.200 --> 0:31:45.440
<v Speaker 2>basis of their speech, bars them from all federally funded programs.

0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:48.040
<v Speaker 2>It does so, moreover, without regard to whether the federal

0:31:48.040 --> 0:31:50.960
<v Speaker 2>funds are used to pay for the nationwide interconnection systems

0:31:50.960 --> 0:31:54.600
<v Speaker 2>which serve as the technological backbone of public radio and television,

0:31:54.880 --> 0:31:57.560
<v Speaker 2>to provide safety and security for journalists working in war zones,

0:31:57.720 --> 0:32:00.880
<v Speaker 2>to support the Emergency broadcast system, or to produce distribute music,

0:32:00.960 --> 0:32:05.520
<v Speaker 2>children's or other educational programming or documentaries unquote. Now, besides

0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:09.080
<v Speaker 2>setting a good legal precedent, this ruling won't have much

0:32:09.640 --> 0:32:13.240
<v Speaker 2>in terms of immediate effects because the Corporation for Public

0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:17.360
<v Speaker 2>Broadcasting was dissolved last month after being defunded by the

0:32:17.440 --> 0:32:22.240
<v Speaker 2>Republican controlled Congress. That's not being reversed, but this ruling

0:32:22.240 --> 0:32:25.480
<v Speaker 2>could make it less difficult for PBS and NPR to

0:32:25.520 --> 0:32:29.000
<v Speaker 2>receive money in the future, either from Congress or some

0:32:29.320 --> 0:32:30.320
<v Speaker 2>federal agencies.

0:32:30.920 --> 0:32:35.000
<v Speaker 1>What's that sound, Oh? No, someone desecrating the legacy of

0:32:35.040 --> 0:32:38.520
<v Speaker 1>the clash by singing there were a song with different lyrics.

0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:53.479
<v Speaker 2>Jazzy jasp.

0:32:54.920 --> 0:32:58.680
<v Speaker 3>Seriously, though, I'm still angry to be fair to buy

0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:03.360
<v Speaker 3>entrance music. The class desecrated themselves by making that song.

0:33:04.160 --> 0:33:07.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, with the moment they released that song. Yeah, Joe

0:33:07.080 --> 0:33:09.840
<v Speaker 1>Strummer cried when they played that a song during Desert Storm,

0:33:10.000 --> 0:33:12.920
<v Speaker 1>and if he was alive today he would be crying again.

0:33:13.600 --> 0:33:14.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:33:15.280 --> 0:33:18.040
<v Speaker 4>So, okay, we actually do have tariff news. Was the

0:33:18.040 --> 0:33:21.200
<v Speaker 4>first tariff news in a while. But when we last

0:33:21.240 --> 0:33:24.560
<v Speaker 4>spoke about the Supreme Court nullifying the Liberation Day terroiffs

0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:27.040
<v Speaker 4>and a significant chunk of the tariffs that Trump had

0:33:27.080 --> 0:33:30.280
<v Speaker 4>been putting into effect, we said that there wasn't a

0:33:30.360 --> 0:33:34.720
<v Speaker 4>plan really to get tariffree funds out and that it

0:33:34.800 --> 0:33:38.480
<v Speaker 4>really hadn't been addressed other than by dissenting Supreme Court members.

0:33:39.480 --> 0:33:41.720
<v Speaker 4>We are sort of starting to see what that looks

0:33:41.840 --> 0:33:46.360
<v Speaker 4>like after a series of rulings from trade courts. Right now,

0:33:46.920 --> 0:33:51.560
<v Speaker 4>it is a fiasco. So the government has set up

0:33:51.600 --> 0:33:57.480
<v Speaker 4>a portal through which you can get relief now after

0:33:57.520 --> 0:33:59.920
<v Speaker 4>it after it was sort of forced to by the court.

0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:03.040
<v Speaker 4>The implementation of this has been delayed several times because

0:34:03.040 --> 0:34:05.680
<v Speaker 4>the government didn't have time to actually get it out.

0:34:06.640 --> 0:34:10.719
<v Speaker 4>A bunch of the portal is not built yet. The

0:34:10.760 --> 0:34:13.080
<v Speaker 4>government is claiming that it is going to take more

0:34:13.120 --> 0:34:15.040
<v Speaker 4>time to build a whole bunch of it.

0:34:15.280 --> 0:34:15.839
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I bet.

0:34:16.000 --> 0:34:19.839
<v Speaker 4>Now this is a catastrophe because they're they're dealing with

0:34:20.040 --> 0:34:21.880
<v Speaker 4>about one hundred and a bit over one hundred and

0:34:21.960 --> 0:34:24.719
<v Speaker 4>sixty six billion dollars of tariff money.

0:34:24.760 --> 0:34:26.360
<v Speaker 3>But they have to pay back plus interest.

0:34:26.760 --> 0:34:28.160
<v Speaker 1>It's interest, that's funny.

0:34:28.280 --> 0:34:30.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, plus interest. This is the whole thing. Right, they

0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:32.200
<v Speaker 3>have to do interest on all of this, which is

0:34:32.200 --> 0:34:32.840
<v Speaker 3>a nightmare.

0:34:33.000 --> 0:34:35.400
<v Speaker 1>It's the interest of crewing while they bungle setting up

0:34:35.440 --> 0:34:36.719
<v Speaker 1>this quest based site or whatever.

0:34:36.960 --> 0:34:40.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's still going every second. The interesting thing is

0:34:40.600 --> 0:34:41.319
<v Speaker 3>ticking on this.

0:34:42.160 --> 0:34:44.800
<v Speaker 4>So I'm going to quote here from Bloomberg Brandon Lord,

0:34:45.160 --> 0:34:48.400
<v Speaker 4>executive director of the Trade Program's Directory of the Customers Agency,

0:34:48.440 --> 0:34:50.520
<v Speaker 4>who are the people who are sort of running all

0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:52.440
<v Speaker 4>this is also part of why it's such a disaster

0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:57.360
<v Speaker 4>because there's like seventeen different agencies that are like working

0:34:57.400 --> 0:34:59.600
<v Speaker 4>on this, right, So some of it's like the Trade

0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:02.560
<v Speaker 4>Program rector like at the Customs Agency, but there's also

0:35:02.719 --> 0:35:06.160
<v Speaker 4>just there's different parts of the Customs and Customs and

0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:10.440
<v Speaker 4>Border Patrol that's dealing with all of this stuff. Quote

0:35:10.520 --> 0:35:13.560
<v Speaker 4>wrote that more than twenty six thousand importers who paid

0:35:13.560 --> 0:35:16.880
<v Speaker 4>one hundred and twenty billion dollars. In the challenge, terrorists

0:35:16.880 --> 0:35:21.160
<v Speaker 4>were registered to receive electronic refunds. So far, the government

0:35:21.200 --> 0:35:23.879
<v Speaker 4>has said that payments could take up to forty five

0:35:23.960 --> 0:35:26.440
<v Speaker 4>days to review. I would bet that it takes longer

0:35:26.440 --> 0:35:28.920
<v Speaker 4>than that, because again, the portal hasn't.

0:35:28.680 --> 0:35:32.359
<v Speaker 3>Been written, hasn't been like made yet. But partnerspate are

0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:33.040
<v Speaker 3>still being built.

0:35:33.280 --> 0:35:34.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure those doge guys are on.

0:35:35.120 --> 0:35:35.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure the.

0:35:35.719 --> 0:35:39.000
<v Speaker 2>Everest thing up running in no time. I'm sure they

0:35:39.200 --> 0:35:42.360
<v Speaker 2>vibe code their way to a perfectly functioning portal.

0:35:42.400 --> 0:35:44.719
<v Speaker 4>It's gonna be so good. And again I kind of

0:35:44.719 --> 0:35:47.399
<v Speaker 4>ouside how much fatastrophe this is. The government has said

0:35:47.520 --> 0:35:51.240
<v Speaker 4>in court that they're portals set up for two thirds

0:35:51.239 --> 0:35:54.040
<v Speaker 4>of the Bundy, right, there's still another third that they're like, yeah,

0:35:54.040 --> 0:35:56.399
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, we're working on it. Who knows when

0:35:56.440 --> 0:35:59.840
<v Speaker 4>it's gonna happen. So there's just again like a third

0:35:59.840 --> 0:36:02.919
<v Speaker 4>of hundred sixty six billion dollars that they don't even.

0:36:02.880 --> 0:36:04.360
<v Speaker 3>Plan to refund. Amazing.

0:36:05.560 --> 0:36:10.680
<v Speaker 4>Now, now this is not even the messiest part of this, right.

0:36:11.080 --> 0:36:14.800
<v Speaker 4>There's a very good piece in the conversation from Peter R. Krabb,

0:36:14.840 --> 0:36:18.440
<v Speaker 4>who's the professor of Finance and Economics at Northwestern Nazarene

0:36:18.440 --> 0:36:22.200
<v Speaker 4>and University, and also Alis and Graham Larson, who's assistant

0:36:22.200 --> 0:36:25.359
<v Speaker 4>professor of criminal Justice at the same university, and they

0:36:25.400 --> 0:36:28.960
<v Speaker 4>point out that it's not actually as simple as okay,

0:36:29.000 --> 0:36:31.560
<v Speaker 4>you have a you have a item on your balance

0:36:31.560 --> 0:36:35.440
<v Speaker 4>sheet that is the tariff payments for these companies because

0:36:35.560 --> 0:36:37.960
<v Speaker 4>for example, you know, okay, so if you were doing

0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:40.279
<v Speaker 4>like FedEx, for example, they use right, FedEx has like

0:36:40.320 --> 0:36:42.919
<v Speaker 4>a number right because they just they passed the cost

0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:46.680
<v Speaker 4>directly on to the consumers. However, Costco didn't do that.

0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:50.239
<v Speaker 4>Costco shifted the cost around internally. So it's actually very

0:36:50.280 --> 0:36:53.560
<v Speaker 4>complicated for them to figure out how much money they

0:36:53.640 --> 0:36:55.279
<v Speaker 4>like the paid on these terrafts because it was read

0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:56.960
<v Speaker 4>a bunch of around a whole bunch of stuff. They

0:36:56.960 --> 0:37:00.520
<v Speaker 4>also like changed the way that they were structuring deliveries

0:37:00.560 --> 0:37:03.239
<v Speaker 4>and stuff internally, and there were so there are a

0:37:03.280 --> 0:37:08.120
<v Speaker 4>whole bunch of different lawsuits from these companies to try

0:37:08.160 --> 0:37:09.960
<v Speaker 4>to get their tariff money back because a lot of

0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:12.440
<v Speaker 4>these were going on before the actual formal refund process

0:37:12.520 --> 0:37:16.279
<v Speaker 4>was started. So this is like this is another rolling catastrophe.

0:37:16.280 --> 0:37:20.000
<v Speaker 4>There's also consumer lawsuits of consumers people who bought shit

0:37:20.080 --> 0:37:22.000
<v Speaker 4>who want refunds for the teriffs because they were forced

0:37:22.040 --> 0:37:25.360
<v Speaker 4>to pay the costs of it. Now, because this is

0:37:25.360 --> 0:37:28.920
<v Speaker 4>the United States of America, there's another layer of this,

0:37:29.080 --> 0:37:31.439
<v Speaker 4>which is there are a whole bunch of companies where

0:37:31.440 --> 0:37:33.520
<v Speaker 4>there are there are these investment firms who have come

0:37:33.560 --> 0:37:37.200
<v Speaker 4>in and said, hey, we will buy the rights to

0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:39.960
<v Speaker 4>your tariff money for a fraction of the money, and

0:37:40.000 --> 0:37:42.600
<v Speaker 4>we will guarantee that you get this money now, and

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<v Speaker 4>then we will pay ourselves with the tariff money that

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<v Speaker 4>we got back.

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<v Speaker 3>So now you have investment firms who are buying up

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<v Speaker 3>pools of this tariff money.

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<v Speaker 4>And I bet, from spending a bunch of time last

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<v Speaker 4>week in the trenches of the two thousand and eight

0:37:55.800 --> 0:38:00.000
<v Speaker 4>financial collapse, Mollie, I bet they're gonna start selling security.

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<v Speaker 3>He's fixed off of these pools of tariff money.

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<v Speaker 2>So this, oh my head ache.

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<v Speaker 3>This is great. What's what I gotta say on the

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<v Speaker 3>tariffy on? Oh, it's so good.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm just excited to receive my refund from all

0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:20.440
<v Speaker 2>of the Jay fashion I ordered from Japan, which I'm

0:38:20.480 --> 0:38:23.279
<v Speaker 2>sure I'll be personally receiving thanks to this.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, you know, Here's here's the thing. Here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 4>The one truly beautiful part of the US legal system

0:38:30.760 --> 0:38:34.000
<v Speaker 4>is that you can sue someone for twenty dollars of damages.

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<v Speaker 4>That number has never been changed. It is the one

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<v Speaker 4>truly beautiful part of the United States of America is

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<v Speaker 4>that you, Garrison David almost certainly could sue the government

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<v Speaker 4>for that money.

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<v Speaker 2>That's funny. Yeah, I'm not doing that shit.

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<v Speaker 3>Go too which work.

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<v Speaker 1>No, the GoFundMe link for Garrison's constitutional lawyer.

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<v Speaker 4>If if someone takes a forty dollars bill from you,

0:38:58.200 --> 0:38:59.920
<v Speaker 4>you can go fucking sue them in car.

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<v Speaker 3>That's funny, It's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>Just tag Garrison at I write okayybsky dot app yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and then just say hi, I am a constitutional lawyer.

0:39:11.600 --> 0:39:13.880
<v Speaker 1>I would like to represent you in court. Read the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty dollars thank you?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh and by the way, by the way, the one

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<v Speaker 4>last thing I want to notice, on a somewhat serious note,

0:39:18.920 --> 0:39:23.520
<v Speaker 4>is that this entire catastrophe is just for one specific

0:39:23.600 --> 0:39:26.480
<v Speaker 4>set of authority that Trump was using to put terriffs

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<v Speaker 4>into place. There are a whole bunch of other ones

0:39:28.160 --> 0:39:31.040
<v Speaker 4>that he's been doing now that will also get challenged

0:39:31.080 --> 0:39:33.399
<v Speaker 4>that will have their own refund processes where we will

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<v Speaker 4>go through this.

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<v Speaker 3>Entire mess again with different things.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's great, great things happening for international trade as

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<v Speaker 4>we yeah, increase the price of fucking oil to like

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<v Speaker 4>two hundred dollars a barrel, and I don't know, finally

0:39:49.719 --> 0:39:52.920
<v Speaker 4>get our Calvin and Hobbes eight dollars gasoline.

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<v Speaker 3>It's great. Long live the cycler. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The national price of gasoleene is now at four bucks,

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<v Speaker 1>I think.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why they call him the affordability President.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh huh, yes, and wee checks on the egg prices though,

0:40:05.680 --> 0:40:07.799
<v Speaker 1>because that's how we do things now.

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<v Speaker 4>Expensive a shit, expensive shit, James, Yeah, not cheap.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me divert new listeners to are a famous Chickens

0:40:18.320 --> 0:40:23.000
<v Speaker 1>episode circa twenty twenty three and which they can learn

0:40:23.000 --> 0:40:38.680
<v Speaker 1>more about keeping poultry at home. Talking of catastrophes, I

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<v Speaker 1>would like to continue to talk about the war on Iran.

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<v Speaker 1>The President truthed this week that he was prepared to

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<v Speaker 1>attack desalination and power plants in Iran if the state

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<v Speaker 1>did not comply with his demands. Jesus in his truth,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, I will skip remarking on capitalization as his

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<v Speaker 1>house style, because as well as these were Carfan Hour,

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<v Speaker 1>the United States of America is in serious discussions with

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<v Speaker 1>a new and more reasonable regime to end our military

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<v Speaker 1>operations in Iran. Great progress has been made, but if

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<v Speaker 1>for any reason a deal that's not shortly reached, which

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<v Speaker 1>it probably will be, and if the Hormu Strait is

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<v Speaker 1>not immediately open for business, we will conclude a lovely

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<v Speaker 1>stay in Iran by blowing up and completely obliterating all

0:41:21.400 --> 0:41:25.720
<v Speaker 1>of their electric generating plants, oil wells, and Khag Island.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably all this is sick desalinization plants, which we have

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<v Speaker 1>purposely not yet touched. This will be a retribution for

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<v Speaker 1>our many soldiers and for others that Iran has butchered

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<v Speaker 1>and killed over the old regime's forty seven year reign

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<v Speaker 1>of terror. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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<v Speaker 1>President Donald J. Trump, as a reporter NBC pointed out

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<v Speaker 1>targeting civilian infrastructure, it is a war crime.

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<v Speaker 8>Their international law, Striking civilian infrastructure like that is generally prohibited.

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<v Speaker 8>Why is the President threatening what would amount to potentially

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<v Speaker 8>a war crime with the US military. How do you

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<v Speaker 8>square that with the administration repeatedly saying that the US

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<v Speaker 8>does not target civilian Look.

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<v Speaker 6>The President has made it quite clear to the Iranian

0:42:09.719 --> 0:42:12.200
<v Speaker 6>regime at this moment in time, as evidenced by the

0:42:12.239 --> 0:42:15.480
<v Speaker 6>statement that you just read, that their best move is

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<v Speaker 6>to make a deal or else. The United States Armed

0:42:18.040 --> 0:42:22.480
<v Speaker 6>Forces has capabilities beyond their wildest imagination, and the President

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<v Speaker 6>is not afraid to use them. That's not what I said, Garrett.

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<v Speaker 6>And you're saying the word potential for a reason because

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<v Speaker 6>I'm sure sure some experts are telling you that in

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<v Speaker 6>your ear to try to ask me that question. Of course,

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<v Speaker 6>this administration in the United States Armedforces will always act

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<v Speaker 6>within the confines of the law. But with respect to

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<v Speaker 6>achieving the full objectives of Operation Epic Fury, President Trump

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<v Speaker 6>is going to move forward unabated, and he expects the

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<v Speaker 6>Iranian regime to make a deal with the administration.

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<v Speaker 1>It should be noted that Iran has said that it

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<v Speaker 1>is not negotiating directly with the United States, then negotiating

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<v Speaker 1>to a third party. What is largely missing from this

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<v Speaker 1>discussion is that Israel has been doing this stuff already. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>Israel has not limited its war crimes to its bombing

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<v Speaker 1>of Iran. Right it has been on a war crimes

0:43:12.040 --> 0:43:14.480
<v Speaker 1>freeze for several years, and that is an extension of

0:43:14.520 --> 0:43:16.440
<v Speaker 1>a war crime speed that he has been arguably on

0:43:16.520 --> 0:43:20.280
<v Speaker 1>for several decades. Yeah, Israel attacked to desalinate some plant

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<v Speaker 1>on the seventh of March. Very briefly, the Israeli press

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<v Speaker 1>attempted to report that the UAE had done this. The

0:43:27.320 --> 0:43:30.520
<v Speaker 1>UAE had to issue a statement essentially saying like, we

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<v Speaker 1>would never attack the people of Iran, while we disagree

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<v Speaker 1>with the state of Iran, while that you've been like

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<v Speaker 1>outwhoked by the UAE, but them saying like it's no

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<v Speaker 1>way to attack the Iranian regime to force Iranian people

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<v Speaker 1>to die for lack of water. It is a perfectly

0:43:44.360 --> 0:43:46.080
<v Speaker 1>reasonable and just statement.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Officially, both the IDF and the US government have denied

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<v Speaker 1>this strike, but the combination of like several factors, including

0:43:54.120 --> 0:43:57.719
<v Speaker 1>this incredibly rapid disinformation campaign, strongly point to this being

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<v Speaker 1>an IDF joint Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Also who else, Like what what are you too? Bobbed it?

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<v Speaker 3>Like you what are you going to do?

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<v Speaker 1>Lately? Yeah, there have been there have been attempt to

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<v Speaker 1>several attempts over the last month to to to suggest

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<v Speaker 1>that like other Golf states, have done things when when

0:44:16.400 --> 0:44:21.080
<v Speaker 1>they're politically inconvenient. This, as far as I'm concerned, very

0:44:21.400 --> 0:44:24.719
<v Speaker 1>very likely to be an IDF situation. This point is

0:44:24.760 --> 0:44:27.319
<v Speaker 1>something that we've talked about for more than a month now,

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<v Speaker 1>but I just want to make it really clear that

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<v Speaker 1>the US and Israel very clearly have very different goals

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<v Speaker 1>in it run. I think that sometimes we see this

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<v Speaker 1>this very puerile analysis has taken hold on the left

0:44:41.320 --> 0:44:43.480
<v Speaker 1>in the United States right, which suggests that Israel is

0:44:43.600 --> 0:44:46.000
<v Speaker 1>entirely driving the bus here, that they cajoled the United

0:44:46.040 --> 0:44:48.200
<v Speaker 1>States into doing this war and they're telling the United

0:44:48.239 --> 0:44:50.960
<v Speaker 1>States what to do, when and where and how. I

0:44:50.960 --> 0:44:53.960
<v Speaker 1>think that's a very juvenile way of understanding this. Hawks

0:44:53.960 --> 0:44:57.040
<v Speaker 1>in the United States have wanted war with Iran for decades.

0:44:57.680 --> 0:45:00.600
<v Speaker 1>Trump talked about it in his first term. Trump also

0:45:00.719 --> 0:45:05.000
<v Speaker 1>still clearly harbors resentment for Obama quote unquote getting bin

0:45:05.080 --> 0:45:10.120
<v Speaker 1>Laden and wants a sort of similar commander in chief win.

0:45:11.000 --> 0:45:15.840
<v Speaker 1>His confidence was significantly bolstered after the Venezuela operation, and

0:45:15.920 --> 0:45:18.680
<v Speaker 1>he thought he could affect a regime change here quickly

0:45:19.000 --> 0:45:21.360
<v Speaker 1>and then extract tribute from a client's day, as he

0:45:21.360 --> 0:45:23.719
<v Speaker 1>appears to be doing from Delsea and Venezuela now right,

0:45:24.560 --> 0:45:28.640
<v Speaker 1>this has not worked so far in Iran. Israel, on

0:45:28.719 --> 0:45:31.960
<v Speaker 1>the other hand, has continued with his own campaign, which

0:45:32.000 --> 0:45:33.960
<v Speaker 1>is an extension of what we have seen it doing

0:45:34.000 --> 0:45:36.080
<v Speaker 1>in Gaza, what we are seeing it doing in Lebanon,

0:45:36.360 --> 0:45:40.280
<v Speaker 1>which seems to be to cripple any state in the region,

0:45:40.800 --> 0:45:43.960
<v Speaker 1>any population in the region that opposes it. Right, but

0:45:44.200 --> 0:45:46.319
<v Speaker 1>it genuinely seems that its goal here is to leave

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<v Speaker 1>itself sort of the only functioning quality in the region

0:45:50.560 --> 0:45:54.640
<v Speaker 1>and to destroy any other armed actor with very little

0:45:54.680 --> 0:45:58.400
<v Speaker 1>concern for the loss of innocent life. The United States

0:45:58.440 --> 0:46:02.279
<v Speaker 1>in the last week has lost signific aviation resources after

0:46:02.400 --> 0:46:05.840
<v Speaker 1>Iranian ballistic missiles struck and air based into Saudi Arabia.

0:46:06.320 --> 0:46:09.759
<v Speaker 1>They damaged at least one E three A wax aircraft

0:46:10.320 --> 0:46:12.680
<v Speaker 1>and then a handful of KT one thirty five air

0:46:12.719 --> 0:46:16.719
<v Speaker 1>to wear refueling aircraft. This is not in a significant loss.

0:46:16.719 --> 0:46:19.399
<v Speaker 1>This is half a billion dollars of aviation wiped out

0:46:19.840 --> 0:46:22.360
<v Speaker 1>in a single strike. And these are not aeroplanes that

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<v Speaker 1>the United States has a large number of.

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<v Speaker 6>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Iran also hit a cuated tanker this week. A drone

0:46:29.000 --> 0:46:30.640
<v Speaker 1>seem to have hit it off the coast of Dubai.

0:46:30.680 --> 0:46:33.680
<v Speaker 1>It caught fire, there was potential for an oil spill,

0:46:33.719 --> 0:46:35.319
<v Speaker 1>but what I'm seeing at the time where according this

0:46:35.400 --> 0:46:39.600
<v Speaker 1>is has not been once so far, Yeah exactly. I

0:46:39.600 --> 0:46:43.320
<v Speaker 1>mean every war is an ecological disaster, but this one

0:46:43.800 --> 0:46:46.520
<v Speaker 1>could re a particularly remarkable one. And then I just

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<v Speaker 1>do briefly want to mention the economic impacts of course,

0:46:49.120 --> 0:46:51.040
<v Speaker 1>like it will be very hard to be living on

0:46:51.040 --> 0:46:54.080
<v Speaker 1>this planet right now and not noticee economic impacts. But

0:46:54.400 --> 0:46:56.919
<v Speaker 1>the Republic of the Marshall Islands has declared the state

0:46:56.920 --> 0:47:00.920
<v Speaker 1>of emergency and begun fuel rationing that the strictly limiting

0:47:01.000 --> 0:47:04.319
<v Speaker 1>the use of government vehicles. I have reached out to

0:47:04.360 --> 0:47:08.359
<v Speaker 1>the government to presidency. You can hear my reporting from

0:47:08.440 --> 0:47:10.520
<v Speaker 1>Republican the Martial Islands, including an interview with the then

0:47:10.560 --> 0:47:13.959
<v Speaker 1>president in twenty twenty three. That's another series that we've

0:47:13.960 --> 0:47:16.359
<v Speaker 1>made here on it could happen here that I'm going

0:47:16.360 --> 0:47:17.879
<v Speaker 1>to see if we can get someone from the RMI

0:47:17.960 --> 0:47:20.600
<v Speaker 1>on for an interview, because I think some of these

0:47:20.920 --> 0:47:23.320
<v Speaker 1>small island nations right where everything has to be shipped

0:47:23.360 --> 0:47:28.400
<v Speaker 1>in the cost of fuel can make things extremely difficult

0:47:28.880 --> 0:47:30.839
<v Speaker 1>for people just trying to eke out an existence. There

0:47:30.880 --> 0:47:33.799
<v Speaker 1>in a place that the United States nuked despite never

0:47:33.920 --> 0:47:36.480
<v Speaker 1>raising the word and anger against us.

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<v Speaker 2>Finally, our last few stories this episode starting with a

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<v Speaker 2>Tale of Two Bombing Plots, American classic, truly the American

0:47:46.000 --> 0:47:48.799
<v Speaker 2>tradition that just won't die. My brother and sister have

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<v Speaker 2>been indicted after allegedly planting and improvised explicit device outside

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<v Speaker 2>of McDill Air Force Space in Tampa, Florida, on March tenth,

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<v Speaker 2>before fleeing to China two days later. After planting the bomb,

0:48:03.480 --> 0:48:06.360
<v Speaker 2>the brother allegedly alerted officials by calling nine to one

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<v Speaker 2>to one, but the explosive went undiscovered for nearly a week.

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<v Speaker 3>It did not detonate. Huh.

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<v Speaker 2>The sister was arrested after returning from China, and she's

0:48:15.800 --> 0:48:19.080
<v Speaker 2>charged with evidence tampering and being an accessory after the fact.

0:48:19.640 --> 0:48:22.480
<v Speaker 2>Prosecutors alleged that she helped clean and sell the car

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<v Speaker 2>used to plant the bomb and asked chat GPT how

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<v Speaker 2>to obtain a Chinese visa and transfer properties in her

0:48:31.440 --> 0:48:34.399
<v Speaker 2>brother's name, and searched for Chinese schools for her brother

0:48:34.440 --> 0:48:38.880
<v Speaker 2>to attend. Her brother is still suspected to be in China.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, I am stunned that these people didn't accidentally blow

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<v Speaker 4>themselves up.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the reason why is because it's actually very hard

0:48:46.160 --> 0:48:46.840
<v Speaker 2>to build a bomb.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, oh yeah, I guess. I guess.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, because when you're trying to build a bomb, there's

0:48:50.080 --> 0:48:52.840
<v Speaker 4>three outcomes, right, there's one you failed to build a

0:48:52.840 --> 0:48:56.440
<v Speaker 4>bomb to you either succeed to build a bomb, or

0:48:56.480 --> 0:48:58.040
<v Speaker 4>fail to build a bomb and it blows you up,

0:48:58.120 --> 0:48:59.600
<v Speaker 4>or you successfully build a bomb.

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<v Speaker 3>As sets, building a bomb.

0:49:00.880 --> 0:49:05.120
<v Speaker 4>Is like that the hardest, and it's you're pretty likely

0:49:05.280 --> 0:49:09.640
<v Speaker 4>to blow yourself up or fail to build a bomb.

0:49:10.480 --> 0:49:12.160
<v Speaker 3>So I guess, I guess I never got.

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<v Speaker 4>To the threshold a bomb building where it would blow

0:49:14.040 --> 0:49:17.760
<v Speaker 4>themselves up because they just didn't produce it viable device.

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<v Speaker 2>In this next bombing plot, the suspect did actually construct

0:49:24.280 --> 0:49:26.640
<v Speaker 2>what could be considered a bomb. Oh good Lord, that

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<v Speaker 2>could have been used in what's being reported on as

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<v Speaker 2>an assassination plot. Last Thursday, a New Jersey man, Alexander

0:49:34.960 --> 0:49:38.239
<v Speaker 2>Heifler was arrested as a part of a plot to

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<v Speaker 2>firebomb the home of pro Palestinian activists nerden Kiswani Jesus Christ.

0:49:45.080 --> 0:49:48.960
<v Speaker 2>Alexander Heiffler is a member of the JDL six one

0:49:49.239 --> 0:49:53.080
<v Speaker 2>three Brotherhood, a new offshoot of the terrorist group the

0:49:53.200 --> 0:49:57.640
<v Speaker 2>Jewish Defense League, which has been active at Palestine protests

0:49:57.760 --> 0:50:01.400
<v Speaker 2>in New York the past few years. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>Zionist extremist group that has been designated in the past

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<v Speaker 2>by the FBI as extremist group. According to the criminal complaint,

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<v Speaker 2>Heifler was in a group video call with an undercover

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<v Speaker 2>officer last February in which he asked about receiving training

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<v Speaker 2>quote for how to use the instruments that were not knives, guns,

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<v Speaker 2>or crossbows for quote unquote self defense. That's an odd,

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<v Speaker 2>odd phrasing in the complaint, cross not okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Things that aren't those things not okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Great things happening here, and Heifler later specifically mentioned that

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<v Speaker 2>he was looking for somewhere to throw molotovs oh boy.

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<v Speaker 2>The undercover sent Heifler a message via an encrypted messaging

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<v Speaker 2>application stating, Hey, let's talk about that in person. Don't

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<v Speaker 2>say that on here. Heifler responded, don't use the M word.

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<v Speaker 2>Copy that the M word, apparently being molotov. Incredible operational

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<v Speaker 2>security happening year. The next day, the two met in person.

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<v Speaker 2>Heifler told the undercover that molotovs were easy to make,

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<v Speaker 2>and they discussed targeting the home of pro Palestinian activist

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<v Speaker 2>ner Dean Kiswani. Heifler talked about needing to obtain fake

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<v Speaker 2>license plates and told the undercover that he had an

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<v Speaker 2>escape plan to flee the country. At the end of April,

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<v Speaker 2>Mayor Zoramumdani clarified online that Heifler intended to flee to Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>Great to quote Heifler in their criminal complaint quote, I'm thinking, like,

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<v Speaker 2>if we wanted to go after Kiswani, we have Kiswani's address,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's like that that would be easier if you'd

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<v Speaker 2>be more comfortable with that. Drive down to Kiswani's home,

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<v Speaker 2>middle of April, no IDs, no phones in and out

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<v Speaker 2>unquote Great. A few weeks later they met up again

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<v Speaker 2>and drove to Kiswani's home to conduct surveillance. Heifler told

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<v Speaker 2>the undercover that he had done tests with a molotov

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<v Speaker 2>and a DNA kit from a pharmacy, and because his

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<v Speaker 2>DNA showed up on the test, they should wear gloves

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<v Speaker 2>during the attack. A real genius at work.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>The plan was to build twelve molotovs and throw several

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<v Speaker 2>at the home and two at cars parked outside. Heifler

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned having an address they could hide out before he

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<v Speaker 2>would then flee to Israel. On March twenty sixth, they

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<v Speaker 2>met at Heifler's home to start making the molotovs, and

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<v Speaker 2>after the assembly, law enforcement searched the home and Heifler

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<v Speaker 2>was arrested and has since been charged with unlawful possession

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<v Speaker 2>and making of a destructive device.

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<v Speaker 4>Great stuff. I very glad they didn't pull this off.

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<v Speaker 4>And also, Jesus Christ.

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<v Speaker 2>You know something like this. It is interesting that this

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<v Speaker 2>was a joint with the FBI, that the current FBI

0:52:45.239 --> 0:52:48.200
<v Speaker 2>was was doing like a sort of sting operation like

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<v Speaker 2>this with the Jewish Defense League. Is interesting. That is

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<v Speaker 2>that is something that I think people may not have expected.

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<v Speaker 2>The undercover was part of the further of this plan

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<v Speaker 2>in some ways. I don't know. We don't know if

0:53:04.120 --> 0:53:06.839
<v Speaker 2>this guy would have done this exact attack if not

0:53:07.040 --> 0:53:11.120
<v Speaker 2>planned with the undercover. But this guy was very, very

0:53:11.160 --> 0:53:15.000
<v Speaker 2>clearly willing and able to hurt and possibly kill this

0:53:15.120 --> 0:53:19.800
<v Speaker 2>pro Palestinian activist, a very prominent one at that. Lastly,

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<v Speaker 2>let's talk about Pink News and the Idaho bathroom bill.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my fucking god. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So earlier this week I released an episode and an

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<v Speaker 2>accompanying article online on what I've dubbed the trans panic

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<v Speaker 2>clickbait economy. My reporting goes through a series of misleading

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<v Speaker 2>viral claims about the attacks on trans people from the

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<v Speaker 2>Trump administration and Red States that have been recently flooding

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<v Speaker 2>the zone and overwhelming the senses with an endless stream

0:53:45.000 --> 0:53:49.360
<v Speaker 2>of forecast to doom. These viral claims are usually based

0:53:49.400 --> 0:53:53.440
<v Speaker 2>on some irresponsible reporting designed to drive in an engagement

0:53:53.560 --> 0:53:56.040
<v Speaker 2>rather than inform about the very real dangerous trans people

0:53:56.080 --> 0:53:59.840
<v Speaker 2>are facing. This kind of clickbait treats every horrific potentiality

0:54:00.200 --> 0:54:05.320
<v Speaker 2>as an inevitable eventuality, undermining our capacity to accurately assess

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<v Speaker 2>risk and effectively dedicate resources to oppose pressing threats. One

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<v Speaker 2>of the key outlets profiting from the panic clickbaita economy

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<v Speaker 2>right now has been Pink News in LGBTQ news outlet,

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<v Speaker 2>which we learned last month is pivoting to a quote

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<v Speaker 2>unquote reporter free newsroom.

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<v Speaker 4>Incredible and just We're one of the most Aurelian things

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<v Speaker 4>I've ever heard.

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<v Speaker 3>Just holy fuck, just just on a base level of

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<v Speaker 3>like just oh my reporter free newsgroup.

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<v Speaker 2>Because of this change, one of the journalists there I've

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<v Speaker 2>already quit, with four others possibly being laid off shortly.

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<v Speaker 2>The sort of editorial department of pink News is now

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<v Speaker 2>being taken over by their social media content creation wing

0:54:51.560 --> 0:54:54.640
<v Speaker 2>and some of like the editorial staff, which are repackaging

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<v Speaker 2>press releases and stealing the work of other journalists, including

0:54:59.520 --> 0:55:02.440
<v Speaker 2>some other journalists who may be engaging in this sort

0:55:02.480 --> 0:55:05.839
<v Speaker 2>of misleading reporting attempting to drive their own engagement. Then

0:55:05.840 --> 0:55:08.080
<v Speaker 2>pink News is using that framing to drive their own engagement.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why this sort of panic economy is a whole economy.

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<v Speaker 2>It feeds on itself now. On March thirtieth, Pink News

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<v Speaker 2>published an article that went viral online that claimed Kentucky

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<v Speaker 2>was quote to pass a bill that would declare trans

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<v Speaker 2>people mentally ill unquote, as well as prohibiting trans people

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<v Speaker 2>from teaching in schools. But a report from an actual

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<v Speaker 2>Kentucky based journalist named Olivia Croft for the outlet Queer

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<v Speaker 2>Kentucky clarified that no such bill was going to pass.

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<v Speaker 2>The push for a bill declaring trans people as mentally

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<v Speaker 2>ill was by a single Republican state senator named Gex

0:55:47.160 --> 0:55:53.960
<v Speaker 2>Williams Jesus Christ. So yeah, pause there, Deax Williams and

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<v Speaker 2>Gex could not even accomplish the first step in the

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<v Speaker 2>legislative process, getting the set in committee assignment for this

0:56:01.719 --> 0:56:05.479
<v Speaker 2>prospective bill. Gex then tried to turn his failed bill

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<v Speaker 2>into a floor amendment slapped onto a separate bill that

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<v Speaker 2>was expected to pass, but such an amendment still requires

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<v Speaker 2>a vote on approval separate from the vote to pass

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<v Speaker 2>the bill itself. Olivia Croth reported that this amendment does

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<v Speaker 2>not have such support from other legislators and that Gex

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<v Speaker 2>was expected to withdraw his amendment for breaking Senate rules

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<v Speaker 2>on piggybacking failed bills onto different bills as an amendment,

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<v Speaker 2>And even if this amendment somehow got through, the bill

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<v Speaker 2>would then need to be sent back to the state

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<v Speaker 2>House for approval and would spark a huge fight that

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<v Speaker 2>the legislature does not have time for because the legislative

0:56:40.320 --> 0:56:45.080
<v Speaker 2>season is now wrapping up. So after this article from

0:56:45.080 --> 0:56:48.200
<v Speaker 2>pink news was fact checked by this really good journalist

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<v Speaker 2>doing doing important reporting in Kentucky, pink News then deleted

0:56:52.360 --> 0:56:55.959
<v Speaker 2>this article and the viral posts plugging it. But any

0:56:56.080 --> 0:57:00.239
<v Speaker 2>corrections to this false story do not spread nearly as

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<v Speaker 2>far as the initial panic inducing claim. And like that's

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<v Speaker 2>crucial here because the night that this article went out

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<v Speaker 2>on pink News, literally my entire feed was full of

0:57:10.719 --> 0:57:13.840
<v Speaker 2>dozens and dozens and dozens people all quote tweeting this

0:57:13.960 --> 0:57:16.560
<v Speaker 2>pink News story. And the fact check and the fact

0:57:16.600 --> 0:57:19.520
<v Speaker 2>that pink News deleted this is not going to get

0:57:19.520 --> 0:57:22.440
<v Speaker 2>spread in that same way now. Misleading stories like this

0:57:22.520 --> 0:57:25.200
<v Speaker 2>distract from the very real attacks Republicans are waging in

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<v Speaker 2>Red states, one of which one of a few was

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<v Speaker 2>on Monday, the governor of Idaho signed a new bill

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<v Speaker 2>into law that criminalizes trans people using the bathroom that

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<v Speaker 2>matches their gender, including bathrooms in private businesses. A first

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<v Speaker 2>defense would be a misdemeanor with punishable by up to

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<v Speaker 2>a year in prison. Second offense within five years would

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<v Speaker 2>be a felony, punishable by up to five years in prison.

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<v Speaker 2>And this would be prison housed based on quote unquote

0:57:53.600 --> 0:57:57.800
<v Speaker 2>biological sex at birth, which leads to abuse of trans inmates.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the most extreme bathroom but that this nation

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<v Speaker 2>has seen so far, the most restrictive affecting private businesses,

0:58:04.880 --> 0:58:07.920
<v Speaker 2>and this is sort of very very intense criminal punishment.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and it's also worth noting in ways there are

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<v Speaker 4>very plea trans people are also just criminalized at an

0:58:13.280 --> 0:58:16.680
<v Speaker 4>extremely high rate, and these felony charges would count for

0:58:17.160 --> 0:58:22.640
<v Speaker 4>Idaho's three strikes law, which is a fucking nightmare. This

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<v Speaker 4>and we also got the Supreme Court ruling on Tuesday

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<v Speaker 4>which applies a significantly stricter level of scrutiny to any

0:58:32.800 --> 0:58:36.360
<v Speaker 4>ban on conversion therapy, which is probably going to end

0:58:36.400 --> 0:58:39.680
<v Speaker 4>up killing a whole bunch of conversion therapy bans across

0:58:39.680 --> 0:58:41.560
<v Speaker 4>the country, which, by the way, eight to one ruling,

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<v Speaker 4>so a bunch of liberal justices also fucking agreed with this. Yeah,

0:58:46.240 --> 0:58:48.040
<v Speaker 4>I like that shit is like actually happening. And then

0:58:48.040 --> 0:58:51.520
<v Speaker 4>meanwhile we have this like haddock slop bullshit that people

0:58:51.560 --> 0:58:55.120
<v Speaker 4>are using to get money, and it's incredibly frustrated.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it makes it harder to actually evaluate the news

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<v Speaker 2>as it's happening and trust certain news from certain sources,

0:59:03.120 --> 0:59:04.920
<v Speaker 2>because we all know that these attacks are real, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>there are real attacks going on that are really bad,

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<v Speaker 2>but we do need to focus on the ones that

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<v Speaker 2>actually are real. As opposed to a single state Senator's

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<v Speaker 2>amendment to a bill which is never going to pass,

0:59:15.760 --> 0:59:19.080
<v Speaker 2>taking up all of the oxygen one night. Meanwhile, literally

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<v Speaker 2>that same day, a bill like this Idaho bathroom bill

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<v Speaker 2>is being signed by the governor.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, on that note, I think that does it for

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<v Speaker 2>us here at it could happen here.

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<v Speaker 4>Put a transgirl on your couch, I guess, especially also

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<v Speaker 4>now trans people from Idaho who are going to be

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<v Speaker 4>fleeing and presumably believe very large numbers.

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<v Speaker 3>And great and good.

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<v Speaker 2>We reported the news.

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<v Speaker 3>We reported the news.

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