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Speaker 1: Cold Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: This is it could happen here. Executive Disorder, our weekly

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Speaker 2: newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the crumbling world,

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Speaker 2: and what it means for you. I'm Garrison Davis today,

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Speaker 2: joined by Mia Wong and James Stout. This episode, we

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Speaker 2: are covering the week of March twenty fifth to April.

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Speaker 1: First, and so we're all gonna do silly things that

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Speaker 1: aren't really news. No, we're not going to do it

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Speaker 1: when I love it when outlets do that.

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Speaker 2: This comes out Friday, This comes out Friday, it's over.

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Speaker 2: It's done.

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Speaker 1: Normal Fish of April Day for all this French people

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Speaker 2: With the midterm elections rapidly approaching, I know everyone's gonna

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Speaker 2: get tired of election news, but there is some very

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Speaker 2: important voting that needs to happen in these next few weeks,

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Speaker 2: because it could happen here. Another show called Behind the

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Speaker 2: Bastards and James's excellent series Migrating to America have been

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Speaker 2: nominated for Webby Awards. You know the Emmys. Yeah, they're

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Speaker 2: like those, except they're.

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Speaker 3: For the Internet.

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Speaker 2: But they're just as serious, more serious. Some people are

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Speaker 2: saying the Internet's obviously is more real than television.

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Speaker 3: No one watches TV anymore.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the Emmy's people who want boom is

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Speaker 2: So this is. This is obviously very exciting and voting

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Speaker 2: we have here at Coolson Media. Migrain to America is

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Speaker 2: nominated for the Limited Series and Specials Podcast Documentary category.

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Speaker 2: Find the Bastards is the podcast features for experimental and

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Speaker 2: Innovation and it Could Happen Here is also nominated under

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Speaker 2: the limited Series category under News and Politics. It's kind

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Speaker 2: of confusing to navigate the website because there's just so

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Speaker 2: many categories, but those three links will be there below,

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Speaker 2: and we will continue to be talking about what is

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Speaker 2: arguably the most important election of our lifetimes in these

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Speaker 2: next few weeks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Pokemon, go to those links and vote for us.

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Speaker 2: Even if you see that you know we might be ahead,

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Speaker 2: stay in line, you cannot leave. We will not let

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Speaker 2: trump Land by ms now come on steal our spot

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Speaker 2: as number one. So stop the steal, do not let

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Speaker 2: trump Land win. Vote it could happen here April sixteenth

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Speaker 2: up until the sixteenth.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Very often vote early, foot off, vote with

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Speaker 4: Look, vote vote very early, vote often. The great slogan

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Speaker 4: of my of my home state of Illinois.

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Speaker 2: Everyone take this liberal direct action very seriously. Let's start

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Speaker 2: with some actual news. Getting serious here. Christy Nomes, husband

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Speaker 2: was outed as what I'm going to call a sissy

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Speaker 2: cross dresser with an interest in quote unquote bimboth occasion.

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Speaker 2: Gnome as governor, signed a joint state letter attacking trans

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Speaker 2: writes there's so much gendered angst among these conservatives projection, etca,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. Representatives for Nome released a statement after this

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Speaker 2: news dropped. Quote Missnome, which is interesting. Quote Missnome is devastated.

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Speaker 2: The family was blindsided by this, and they ask for

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Speaker 2: privacy and prayers at this time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah cool.

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Speaker 4: I think I think we need to we need to

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Speaker 4: expand the right to arm bears to the right to

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Speaker 4: arm dogs. This is my final statement on this matter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a great month for the Nomes. After

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Speaker 1: she joined this Shield of America's task force, which so

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Speaker 1: far has existed for less than a month and already

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Speaker 1: bombed the wrong country once.

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Speaker 3: Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: In other important news, four hundred and thirteen thousand, seven

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Speaker 2: hundred and ninety three KitKat bars were stolen in transit

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Speaker 2: from Italy to Poland.

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Speaker 1: Okay, when you get that statistic, is that four hundred

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Speaker 1: and thirteen, seven hundred and ninety three four finger bars

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Speaker 1: or is that one hundred thousand and you're counting each

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Speaker 2: No, it's each packaged bar, including some of the new

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's been a thing in the UK for like

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Speaker 1: twenty years, Kitkatch.

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Speaker 2: This is a new version. This is a new version,

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Speaker 2: according to a press release from KitKat. Okay, So if

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Speaker 1: I think what you're seeing is is called cool Britannia.

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Speaker 1: It's a phenomenon by which British culture is slowly taken

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Speaker 2: This is twelve tons of KitKat bars that were stolen.

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Speaker 2: Their whereabouts are currently unknown. An on duty Secret Service

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Speaker 2: agent assigned to Joe Biden shot himself while at the

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Speaker 2: come on, it's not that that this was a negligick discharge.

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Speaker 2: While the agent was traveling through the airport in an

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Speaker 2: at the time of the shooting. Last weekend, Trump signed

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Speaker 2: an executive order to start paying TSA agents as the

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Speaker 2: Senate and House failed to agree on a DHS funding bill.

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Speaker 2: Congress has adjourned for two weeks as the shutdown continues

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Speaker 2: agency's history. Quick update here, literally as we were recording,

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Speaker 2: as of Wednesday afternoon, it looks like Congress has finally

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Speaker 2: reached a funding package for the rest of DHS. Politico

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Speaker 2: has reported that acting ICE Director Todd Lyons has been

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Speaker 2: hospitalized at least twice for stress related issues. Oh my god,

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Speaker 2: while working to implement Trump's immigration policy.

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Speaker 1: I think it's specifically like because they're shouting him for

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Speaker 1: not hitting the targets.

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Speaker 2: Right, because Stephen Miller has been calling lions, yelling at him,

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Speaker 2: quote unquote, yelling about not hitting certain immigration targets yes,

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Speaker 2: and Trump has yet to endorse still still yet to

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Speaker 2: In the incumbent, but recently Paxton has been seen meeting

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Speaker 1: A Russian oil tanker has dogged in Cuba after the

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Speaker 1: United States allowed it to break the blockade on the island.

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Speaker 1: As we reported last week, it's been a massive shortage

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Speaker 1: A US marine, probably former US Marine now if not

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Speaker 1: with federal offensive after allegedly selling millions of rounds of ammunition,

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Speaker 1: including one which isn't normally available for civilian purchase, and

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Speaker 1: javelins in Arizona. Javelin yeah, yeah, Just for those those

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Speaker 4: Oh shit.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, who was he trying to sell it to?

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Speaker 1: So he selled them to two people who acted as

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Speaker 1: brokers are two unindicted co conspirators, and then they seld

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Speaker 1: them to other people and an undercover agent was able

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Speaker 1: paul A Marius. He was indicted by grand jury this week.

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Speaker 1: He was an ammunition tech at Pendleton. But he brought

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Speaker 1: them to Arizona to sell. And at this time, about

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Speaker 1: two million rounds are not recovered. Great, it's not clear

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Speaker 1: if there are still javelins in circulation. Basically, they don't

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Speaker 1: know where the javelins are. They lost, they recovered a javelin,

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Speaker 4: Java so put potentially there are just anti tank rockets

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, they're with the Kitkats.

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Speaker 2: That's it's a joint operation.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's how they stop that large Kitcat truck they

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Speaker 1: hit hit the vehicle with javel in. The Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: one of those growth operations. You know, you get one javelin,

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Speaker 1: you strike a KitKat vehicle, you sell the Kitcats. Now

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Speaker 1: you got two javelins. You hit the mars bar vehicle. Right,

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Speaker 1: this is capitalism in action.

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Speaker 1: And then let's let's return to Arizona where normal things happen.

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Speaker 1: Also in Arizona, a grand jury has indicted a man

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Speaker 1: for material support for a foreign terrorist organization after he

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Speaker 1: two of the larger Mexican cartels. Right, these are two

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Speaker 1: groups that were listed as fdos by the Trump administration

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Speaker 1: very early on last year. Lawrence Gray, sixty five was

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Speaker 1: a federal firearms licensee. He owned a shop called Grips

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Speaker 1: by Larry. He sold fancy grips for nineteen elevens. He

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Speaker 1: was already facing a raft of weapons charges after selling

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Speaker 1: a fifty caliber barrett A semi auto belfed and of

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Speaker 1: course a thirty eight Super nineteen eleven pistol to a

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Speaker 1: the reason I say, of course, is because any time

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Speaker 1: there always seems to be a thirty eight Super nineteen

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Speaker 1: eleven involved. That they're very much like a status gun

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Speaker 1: in organized crime in Mexico because certain calibers are less

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Speaker 1: organized crime groups in Mexico. Anyway, this is the first

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Speaker 1: so that was interesting to me. Finally, Israel has passed

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Speaker 1: a binary system of punishment.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 1: It seems that the death penalty is only going to

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Speaker 1: pertain to Palestinian people here. Yeah, it's worth noting that

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Speaker 1: the Palatinians is the West Bank tried in military courts

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Speaker 1: and they face a very high conviction rate. Often people

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Speaker 1: will admit, I think we can safety say that they

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Speaker 1: admit under duress in conditions it would not generally be

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Speaker 1: considered applicable with justice.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: This is I mean, this is an apart our legal

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Speaker 1: system on top of everything else. Right, Israel previously haven't

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Speaker 1: had the death penalty. Other than for certain war crimes,

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Speaker 1: which is and of itself quite amusing given the stuff

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Speaker 1: we will talk about later in this very episode.

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Speaker 4: One of the really bleak things about this is, oh, God,

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Speaker 4: Ben Vier, who's been who's the Minister of National Security,

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Speaker 4: the unbelievably unhinged right winger who's been campaigning for this law,

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Speaker 4: has been going around with a bunch of his parliamentary

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Speaker 4: factions wearing yellow noose pins.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is their thing.

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Speaker 4: And in support of this. So it's really truly cannot

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Speaker 4: be clearer what this is about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that's there, like their version of the market,

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Speaker 1: I guess, like the branding of their movement is is

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Speaker 1: this news pin?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's it's.

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Speaker 4: It's it's it's it's specifically, it's the thing that they've

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Speaker 4: replaced the like the ribbon they were wearing for the

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Speaker 4: hostages has now just been replaced.

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Speaker 1: With the noose with the news. Yeah, where you discus

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Speaker 1: Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 2: There is one more little thing I'd like to mention.

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Speaker 2: There was a Daily Mail article that went viral, Oh

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Speaker 2: the best news coming from the Daily Mail that carried

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Speaker 2: the headline quote bullet used to kill Charlie Kirk did

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Speaker 1: Just to clarify Garrison, I don't think this is the

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Speaker 2: Some people might like those ads. There is a huge

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Speaker 1: And guys, it's a British simple originally, guys, it's fine.

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Speaker 2: Let's return to our name's sake and discuss two executive orders.

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Speaker 2: And this citizenship list will then be used to compare

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Speaker 2: That could have devastating consequences in a fact, not just

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Speaker 2: But this just shows that they aren't really like thinking

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Speaker 2: every single specific implementation.

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Speaker 3: Pathway in mind.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but when implemented is like still is still devastating

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Speaker 2: to people's lives.

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Speaker 4: I want to say one thing about the birthright citizenship thing.

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Speaker 4: Josh Chafitz, who's a professor of law at Georgetown Law

446
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Speaker 4: Law in Politics, had a very good point about this,

447
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Speaker 4: which I think is worth making, which is like, part

448
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Speaker 4: of what's going on here is that the trumpministration is

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Speaker 4: trying to carve out like a specific thing called birthright citizenship.

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Speaker 4: That's like a thing that you get if you have

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Speaker 4: two immigrant parents. But birthright citizenship is a citizenship that

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Speaker 4: every single person in the US has. Yeah, it's everyone's

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Speaker 4: there's no there's no distinction. There's not like a different

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Speaker 4: kind of citizenship you get if you have two immigrant

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Speaker 4: parents versus if you have like parents that were like

456
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Speaker 4: born in the US. Right, Like it's all one thing.

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Speaker 4: Every single person in the United States has the same

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Speaker 4: kind of citizenship. But the moment you start trying to

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Speaker 4: like hack apart different people citizenship right, you try to

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Speaker 4: you try.

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Speaker 3: To like you know, like like make there be like.

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Speaker 4: Classes of of how you're a citizen through like this

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Speaker 4: whole birthright citizenship complaint that they're doing right, and to

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Speaker 4: be like, oh, well, just these people who were like

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Speaker 4: born to immigrants are birthright citizens right. That's one of

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Speaker 4: the ways you start getting into these like fucking hideous

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Speaker 4: issues of like okay, are people with tribal membership like

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Speaker 4: you know, residencies like citizens right. It's like all of

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Speaker 4: the stuff is like downstream with this effect to like

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Speaker 4: cut citizenship apart.

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Speaker 3: That needs to just be.

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Speaker 4: Resisted, like from the fundamental thing of there is not

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Speaker 4: a different category of people called look like birthright citizens

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Speaker 4: that's every single person in the US.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, unless they naturalized, right, unless you're a naturalized citizen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and what's' naturalized? Yeah yeah, And even then you're

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Speaker 3: still just a citizen.

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Speaker 1: Then you become a citizen, you just go into the

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Speaker 1: citizen bucket as well.

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Speaker 3: Then you are now citizens.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, And the moment you cut that apart, like

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Speaker 4: it's terrible, terrible things happen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty twenty four and made the episode as Robert

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Speaker 1: and Sophie in which we discuss potential at tax on

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Speaker 1: citizenship and potential ways of Trump, and we get into

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Speaker 1: the birth right citizenship and the we get into where

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Speaker 1: it comes from and the fact that this is not

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Speaker 1: an issue about which there has been legal debate. You

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Speaker 1: will now see articles being like the debate about birth

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Speaker 1: right citizenship. That is, people pulling things out of their

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Speaker 1: ass to create two sides on an issue which has

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Speaker 1: been settled for quite literally decades, if not centuries.

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Speaker 3: No, yeah, I will probably.

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Speaker 1: Trying to do something else on birth right citizenship. The

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Speaker 1: reason I haven't done a lot is because there isn't

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Speaker 1: a great deal to say. Yeah, like, birth right citizenship

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Speaker 1: is a thing in the United States that has been

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Speaker 1: a thing in the United States for a very long time.

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Speaker 5: It's just in the constitution just says that since that, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: there are some people who want to take it away,

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Speaker 5: and it's specifically like we did that after we ended

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Speaker 5: chattel slavery, right like for a very good reason. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: and pushing back on the things we did after we

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Speaker 5: ended chattel slavery is bad actually, But yeah, I will

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Speaker 5: maybe I'll do another episode because I know we've picked

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Speaker 5: up a lot of new listeners since then.

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Speaker 2: Now, Trump's new executive Order on citizenship verification for elections

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Speaker 2: also states, quote, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall establish

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Speaker 2: procedures to allow individuals to access their individual records, as

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Speaker 2: well as to update or correct them in advance of elections.

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Speaker 2: Unquote unclear how this is going to work, if it

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Speaker 2: even is going to work. It's still not clear that

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Speaker 2: this executive order will actually be implemented as written because

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Speaker 2: of potential constitutional violations. But you know, this would be

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Speaker 2: in an attempt to address some of the some of

516
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Speaker 2: the pretty big issues that we're saying about someone maybe

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Speaker 2: a citizen and not show up as a citizen in

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Speaker 2: these databases for a number of reasons, whether it's because

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Speaker 2: they were naturalized or even in some cases where granted

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Speaker 2: citizenship through one of their parents after being in the

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Speaker 2: sole legal custody of that parent, who is a US

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Speaker 2: citizen before this individual is eighteen. This is called the

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Speaker 2: Childhood Citizenship Act of two thousand, which makes a permanent

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Speaker 2: resident become a citizen if they're living with a US

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Speaker 2: citizen parent and things like that. Citizenship kind of rolls

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Speaker 2: over from permanent residency without ever actually having to become naturalized,

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Speaker 2: and getting that added to any kind of database doesn't

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Speaker 2: really happen by itself. You have to then apply for

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Speaker 2: proof of citizenship like a passport or a certificate. So

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Speaker 2: there's all these sorts of weird instances where someone is

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Speaker 2: a citizen but it may not show up in these

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Speaker 2: sorts of records, including social security records.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I should just clarify that, like, not all tribal

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Speaker 1: members are necessarily US citizens, but tribal membership document sometimes

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Speaker 1: be used, like Garrison was saying, right, as a way

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Speaker 1: to prove United States citizenship. It's just more than one

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Speaker 1: hundred years now since the Indian Citizenship Act of nineteen

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Speaker 1: twenty four, Right, there may still be people alive today

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Speaker 1: who were made citizens by that act but would not

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Speaker 1: have any particular documentation that's personal to them to show that.

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Speaker 2: The executive order also writes that the Attorney General will

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Speaker 2: investigate and prosecute state officials, local officials, individuals, and public

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Speaker 2: or private entities who issue federal ballots to individuals not

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Speaker 2: eligible to vote, or aid an a bet the printing, production, shipment,

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Speaker 2: or distribution of ballots to those ineligible to vote.

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Speaker 1: That's what we call a chilling effect.

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Speaker 2: The second half of the order takes on vote by

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Speaker 2: mail by instructing the Postmaster General to initiate a proposed

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Speaker 2: rule making that requires states to submit lists of voters

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Speaker 2: who will be provided mail in or absen zee ballots

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Speaker 2: at least sixty days before an election, and that the

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Speaker 2: USPS shall not transmit any ballots for anyone not on

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Speaker 2: this state citizenship list. Now, all of this is intended

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Speaker 2: to take effect before the midterm elections, with the DHS

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Speaker 2: instructed to establish the infrastructure necessary to compile, maintain, and

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Speaker 2: transmit the state citizenship list within ninety days. Though this

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Speaker 2: executive order may very well be blocked by courts for

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Speaker 2: being an unconstitutional breach of presidential power, the followut of

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Speaker 2: this will be determined in the next few weeks as

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Speaker 2: states and legal entities prepare lawsuits. Let's talk about one

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Speaker 2: other executive order. On Tuesday, a federal judge ruled that

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Speaker 2: a key section of the executive order quote ending taxpayer

563
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Speaker 2: subsitization of biased media, is unconstitutional. In this order, Trump

564
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Speaker 2: instructed all federal agencies to cut funding to PBS and NPR.

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Speaker 2: The judge in this case wrote that the President can

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Speaker 2: criticize reporting from such outlets and fund programs that promote

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Speaker 2: specific perspectives and impose limits on funchal grants, but under

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Speaker 2: the First Amendment, the government cannot use the power of

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Speaker 2: the purse to quote, punish or suppress disfavored expression by others,

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Speaker 2: writing that both the Supreme Court and the DC Circuit

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Speaker 2: Court have repeatedly observed that one quote may not deny

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Speaker 2: a benefit to a person on the basis that infringes

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Speaker 2: his constitutionally protected freedom of speech, even if he has

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Speaker 2: no entitlement to that benefit unquote. The judge rights that

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Speaker 2: the Executive order quote does not define or regulate the

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Speaker 2: content of government speech or ensure compliance with the federal program,

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Speaker 2: nor does it set neutral and germane criteria that apply

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Speaker 2: to all applicants for a federal grant.

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Speaker 3: Program.

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Speaker 2: Instead, it singles out to two speakers and on the

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Speaker 2: basis of their speech, bars them from all federally funded programs.

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Speaker 2: It does so, moreover, without regard to whether the federal

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Speaker 2: funds are used to pay for the nationwide interconnection systems

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Speaker 2: which serve as the technological backbone of public radio and television,

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Speaker 2: to provide safety and security for journalists working in war zones,

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Speaker 2: to support the Emergency broadcast system, or to produce distribute music,

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Speaker 2: children's or other educational programming or documentaries unquote. Now, besides

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Speaker 2: setting a good legal precedent, this ruling won't have much

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Speaker 2: in terms of immediate effects because the Corporation for Public

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Speaker 2: Broadcasting was dissolved last month after being defunded by the

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Speaker 2: Republican controlled Congress. That's not being reversed, but this ruling

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Speaker 2: could make it less difficult for PBS and NPR to

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Speaker 2: receive money in the future, either from Congress or some

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Speaker 2: federal agencies.

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Speaker 1: What's that sound, Oh? No, someone desecrating the legacy of

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Speaker 1: the clash by singing there were a song with different lyrics.

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Speaker 2: Jazzy jasp.

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Speaker 3: Seriously, though, I'm still angry to be fair to buy

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Speaker 3: entrance music. The class desecrated themselves by making that song.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, with the moment they released that song. Yeah, Joe

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Speaker 1: Strummer cried when they played that a song during Desert Storm,

602
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Speaker 1: and if he was alive today he would be crying again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So, okay, we actually do have tariff news. Was the

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Speaker 4: first tariff news in a while. But when we last

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Speaker 4: spoke about the Supreme Court nullifying the Liberation Day terroiffs

607
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Speaker 4: and a significant chunk of the tariffs that Trump had

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Speaker 4: been putting into effect, we said that there wasn't a

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Speaker 4: plan really to get tariffree funds out and that it

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Speaker 4: really hadn't been addressed other than by dissenting Supreme Court members.

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Speaker 4: We are sort of starting to see what that looks

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Speaker 4: like after a series of rulings from trade courts. Right now,

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Speaker 4: it is a fiasco. So the government has set up

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Speaker 4: a portal through which you can get relief now after

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Speaker 4: it after it was sort of forced to by the court.

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Speaker 4: The implementation of this has been delayed several times because

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Speaker 4: the government didn't have time to actually get it out.

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Speaker 4: A bunch of the portal is not built yet. The

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Speaker 4: government is claiming that it is going to take more

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Speaker 4: time to build a whole bunch of it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet.

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Speaker 4: Now this is a catastrophe because they're they're dealing with

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Speaker 4: about one hundred and a bit over one hundred and

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Speaker 4: sixty six billion dollars of tariff money.

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Speaker 3: But they have to pay back plus interest.

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Speaker 1: It's interest, that's funny.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, plus interest. This is the whole thing. Right, they

628
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Speaker 3: have to do interest on all of this, which is

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Speaker 3: a nightmare.

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Speaker 1: It's the interest of crewing while they bungle setting up

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Speaker 1: this quest based site or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's still going every second. The interesting thing is

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Speaker 3: ticking on this.

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Speaker 4: So I'm going to quote here from Bloomberg Brandon Lord,

635
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Speaker 4: executive director of the Trade Program's Directory of the Customers Agency,

636
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Speaker 4: who are the people who are sort of running all

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Speaker 4: this is also part of why it's such a disaster

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Speaker 4: because there's like seventeen different agencies that are like working

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Speaker 4: on this, right, So some of it's like the Trade

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Speaker 4: Program rector like at the Customs Agency, but there's also

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Speaker 4: just there's different parts of the Customs and Customs and

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Speaker 4: Border Patrol that's dealing with all of this stuff. Quote

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Speaker 4: wrote that more than twenty six thousand importers who paid

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Speaker 4: one hundred and twenty billion dollars. In the challenge, terrorists

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Speaker 4: were registered to receive electronic refunds. So far, the government

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Speaker 4: has said that payments could take up to forty five

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Speaker 4: days to review. I would bet that it takes longer

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Speaker 4: than that, because again, the portal hasn't.

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Speaker 3: Been written, hasn't been like made yet. But partnerspate are

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Speaker 3: still being built.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure those doge guys are on.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure the.

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Speaker 2: Everest thing up running in no time. I'm sure they

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Speaker 2: vibe code their way to a perfectly functioning portal.

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Speaker 4: It's gonna be so good. And again I kind of

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Speaker 4: ouside how much fatastrophe this is. The government has said

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Speaker 4: in court that they're portals set up for two thirds

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Speaker 4: of the Bundy, right, there's still another third that they're like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I don't know, we're working on it. Who knows when

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Speaker 4: it's gonna happen. So there's just again like a third

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Speaker 4: of hundred sixty six billion dollars that they don't even.

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Speaker 3: Plan to refund. Amazing.

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Speaker 4: Now, now this is not even the messiest part of this, right.

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Speaker 4: There's a very good piece in the conversation from Peter R. Krabb,

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Speaker 4: who's the professor of Finance and Economics at Northwestern Nazarene

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Speaker 4: and University, and also Alis and Graham Larson, who's assistant

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Speaker 4: professor of criminal Justice at the same university, and they

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Speaker 4: point out that it's not actually as simple as okay,

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Speaker 4: you have a you have a item on your balance

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Speaker 4: sheet that is the tariff payments for these companies because

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Speaker 4: for example, you know, okay, so if you were doing

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Speaker 4: like FedEx, for example, they use right, FedEx has like

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Speaker 4: a number right because they just they passed the cost

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Speaker 4: directly on to the consumers. However, Costco didn't do that.

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Speaker 4: Costco shifted the cost around internally. So it's actually very

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Speaker 4: complicated for them to figure out how much money they

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Speaker 4: like the paid on these terrafts because it was read

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Speaker 4: a bunch of around a whole bunch of stuff. They

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Speaker 4: also like changed the way that they were structuring deliveries

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Speaker 4: and stuff internally, and there were so there are a

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Speaker 4: whole bunch of different lawsuits from these companies to try

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Speaker 4: to get their tariff money back because a lot of

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Speaker 4: these were going on before the actual formal refund process

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Speaker 4: was started. So this is like this is another rolling catastrophe.

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Speaker 4: There's also consumer lawsuits of consumers people who bought shit

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Speaker 4: who want refunds for the teriffs because they were forced

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Speaker 4: to pay the costs of it. Now, because this is

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Speaker 4: the United States of America, there's another layer of this,

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Speaker 4: which is there are a whole bunch of companies where

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Speaker 4: there are there are these investment firms who have come

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Speaker 4: in and said, hey, we will buy the rights to

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Speaker 4: your tariff money for a fraction of the money, and

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Speaker 4: we will guarantee that you get this money now, and

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Speaker 4: then we will pay ourselves with the tariff money that

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Speaker 4: we got back.

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Speaker 3: So now you have investment firms who are buying up

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Speaker 3: pools of this tariff money.

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Speaker 4: And I bet, from spending a bunch of time last

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Speaker 4: week in the trenches of the two thousand and eight

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Speaker 4: financial collapse, Mollie, I bet they're gonna start selling security.

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Speaker 3: He's fixed off of these pools of tariff money.

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Speaker 2: So this, oh my head ache.

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Speaker 3: This is great. What's what I gotta say on the

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Speaker 3: tariffy on? Oh, it's so good.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm just excited to receive my refund from all

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Speaker 2: of the Jay fashion I ordered from Japan, which I'm

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Speaker 2: sure I'll be personally receiving thanks to this.

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Speaker 3: Hey, you know, Here's here's the thing. Here's the thing.

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Speaker 4: The one truly beautiful part of the US legal system

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Speaker 4: is that you can sue someone for twenty dollars of damages.

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Speaker 4: That number has never been changed. It is the one

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Speaker 4: truly beautiful part of the United States of America is

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Speaker 4: that you, Garrison David almost certainly could sue the government

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Speaker 4: for that money.

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Speaker 2: That's funny. Yeah, I'm not doing that shit.

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Speaker 3: Go too which work.

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Speaker 1: No, the GoFundMe link for Garrison's constitutional lawyer.

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Speaker 4: If if someone takes a forty dollars bill from you,

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Speaker 4: you can go fucking sue them in car.

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Speaker 3: That's funny, It's beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Just tag Garrison at I write okayybsky dot app yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then just say hi, I am a constitutional lawyer.

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Speaker 1: I would like to represent you in court. Read the

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Speaker 1: twenty dollars thank you?

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 4: Oh and by the way, by the way, the one

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Speaker 4: last thing I want to notice, on a somewhat serious note,

728
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Speaker 4: is that this entire catastrophe is just for one specific

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Speaker 4: set of authority that Trump was using to put terriffs

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Speaker 4: into place. There are a whole bunch of other ones

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Speaker 4: that he's been doing now that will also get challenged

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Speaker 4: that will have their own refund processes where we will

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Speaker 4: go through this.

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Speaker 3: Entire mess again with different things.

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Speaker 4: So it's great, great things happening for international trade as

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Speaker 4: we yeah, increase the price of fucking oil to like

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Speaker 4: two hundred dollars a barrel, and I don't know, finally

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Speaker 4: get our Calvin and Hobbes eight dollars gasoline.

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Speaker 3: It's great. Long live the cycler. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The national price of gasoleene is now at four bucks,

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Speaker 1: I think.

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Speaker 2: And that's why they call him the affordability President.

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Speaker 1: Uh huh, yes, and wee checks on the egg prices though,

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Speaker 1: because that's how we do things now.

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Speaker 4: Expensive a shit, expensive shit, James, Yeah, not cheap.

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Speaker 1: Let me divert new listeners to are a famous Chickens

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Speaker 1: episode circa twenty twenty three and which they can learn

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Speaker 1: more about keeping poultry at home. Talking of catastrophes, I

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Speaker 1: would like to continue to talk about the war on Iran.

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Speaker 1: The President truthed this week that he was prepared to

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Speaker 1: attack desalination and power plants in Iran if the state

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Speaker 1: did not comply with his demands. Jesus in his truth,

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Speaker 1: he said, I will skip remarking on capitalization as his

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Speaker 1: house style, because as well as these were Carfan Hour,

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Speaker 1: the United States of America is in serious discussions with

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Speaker 1: a new and more reasonable regime to end our military

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Speaker 1: operations in Iran. Great progress has been made, but if

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Speaker 1: for any reason a deal that's not shortly reached, which

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Speaker 1: it probably will be, and if the Hormu Strait is

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Speaker 1: not immediately open for business, we will conclude a lovely

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Speaker 1: stay in Iran by blowing up and completely obliterating all

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Speaker 1: of their electric generating plants, oil wells, and Khag Island.

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Speaker 1: Probably all this is sick desalinization plants, which we have

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Speaker 1: purposely not yet touched. This will be a retribution for

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Speaker 1: our many soldiers and for others that Iran has butchered

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Speaker 1: and killed over the old regime's forty seven year reign

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Speaker 1: of terror. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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Speaker 1: President Donald J. Trump, as a reporter NBC pointed out

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Speaker 1: targeting civilian infrastructure, it is a war crime.

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Speaker 8: Their international law, Striking civilian infrastructure like that is generally prohibited.

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Speaker 8: Why is the President threatening what would amount to potentially

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Speaker 8: a war crime with the US military. How do you

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Speaker 8: square that with the administration repeatedly saying that the US

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Speaker 8: does not target civilian Look.

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Speaker 6: The President has made it quite clear to the Iranian

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Speaker 6: regime at this moment in time, as evidenced by the

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Speaker 6: statement that you just read, that their best move is

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Speaker 6: to make a deal or else. The United States Armed

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Speaker 6: Forces has capabilities beyond their wildest imagination, and the President

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Speaker 6: is not afraid to use them. That's not what I said, Garrett.

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Speaker 6: And you're saying the word potential for a reason because

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Speaker 6: I'm sure sure some experts are telling you that in

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Speaker 6: your ear to try to ask me that question. Of course,

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Speaker 6: this administration in the United States Armedforces will always act

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Speaker 6: within the confines of the law. But with respect to

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Speaker 6: achieving the full objectives of Operation Epic Fury, President Trump

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Speaker 6: is going to move forward unabated, and he expects the

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Speaker 6: Iranian regime to make a deal with the administration.

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Speaker 1: It should be noted that Iran has said that it

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Speaker 1: is not negotiating directly with the United States, then negotiating

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Speaker 1: to a third party. What is largely missing from this

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Speaker 1: discussion is that Israel has been doing this stuff already. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Israel has not limited its war crimes to its bombing

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Speaker 1: of Iran. Right it has been on a war crimes

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Speaker 1: freeze for several years, and that is an extension of

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Speaker 1: a war crime speed that he has been arguably on

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Speaker 1: for several decades. Yeah, Israel attacked to desalinate some plant

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Speaker 1: on the seventh of March. Very briefly, the Israeli press

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Speaker 1: attempted to report that the UAE had done this. The

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Speaker 1: UAE had to issue a statement essentially saying like, we

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Speaker 1: would never attack the people of Iran, while we disagree

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Speaker 1: with the state of Iran, while that you've been like

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Speaker 1: outwhoked by the UAE, but them saying like it's no

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Speaker 1: way to attack the Iranian regime to force Iranian people

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Speaker 1: to die for lack of water. It is a perfectly

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Speaker 1: reasonable and just statement.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: Officially, both the IDF and the US government have denied

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Speaker 1: this strike, but the combination of like several factors, including

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Speaker 1: this incredibly rapid disinformation campaign, strongly point to this being

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Speaker 1: an IDF joint Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Also who else, Like what what are you too? Bobbed it?

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Speaker 3: Like you what are you going to do?

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Speaker 1: Lately? Yeah, there have been there have been attempt to

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Speaker 1: several attempts over the last month to to to suggest

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Speaker 1: that like other Golf states, have done things when when

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Speaker 1: they're politically inconvenient. This, as far as I'm concerned, very

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Speaker 1: very likely to be an IDF situation. This point is

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Speaker 1: something that we've talked about for more than a month now,

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Speaker 1: but I just want to make it really clear that

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Speaker 1: the US and Israel very clearly have very different goals

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Speaker 1: in it run. I think that sometimes we see this

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Speaker 1: this very puerile analysis has taken hold on the left

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Speaker 1: in the United States right, which suggests that Israel is

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Speaker 1: entirely driving the bus here, that they cajoled the United

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Speaker 1: States into doing this war and they're telling the United

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Speaker 1: States what to do, when and where and how. I

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Speaker 1: think that's a very juvenile way of understanding this. Hawks

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Speaker 1: in the United States have wanted war with Iran for decades.

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Speaker 1: Trump talked about it in his first term. Trump also

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Speaker 1: still clearly harbors resentment for Obama quote unquote getting bin

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Speaker 1: Laden and wants a sort of similar commander in chief win.

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Speaker 1: His confidence was significantly bolstered after the Venezuela operation, and

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Speaker 1: he thought he could affect a regime change here quickly

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Speaker 1: and then extract tribute from a client's day, as he

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Speaker 1: appears to be doing from Delsea and Venezuela now right,

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Speaker 1: this has not worked so far in Iran. Israel, on

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Speaker 1: the other hand, has continued with his own campaign, which

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Speaker 1: is an extension of what we have seen it doing

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Speaker 1: in Gaza, what we are seeing it doing in Lebanon,

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Speaker 1: which seems to be to cripple any state in the region,

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Speaker 1: any population in the region that opposes it. Right, but

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Speaker 1: it genuinely seems that its goal here is to leave

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Speaker 1: itself sort of the only functioning quality in the region

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Speaker 1: and to destroy any other armed actor with very little

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Speaker 1: concern for the loss of innocent life. The United States

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Speaker 1: in the last week has lost signific aviation resources after

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Speaker 1: Iranian ballistic missiles struck and air based into Saudi Arabia.

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Speaker 1: They damaged at least one E three A wax aircraft

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Speaker 1: and then a handful of KT one thirty five air

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Speaker 1: to wear refueling aircraft. This is not in a significant loss.

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Speaker 1: This is half a billion dollars of aviation wiped out

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Speaker 1: in a single strike. And these are not aeroplanes that

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Speaker 1: the United States has a large number of.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 1: Iran also hit a cuated tanker this week. A drone

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Speaker 1: seem to have hit it off the coast of Dubai.

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Speaker 1: It caught fire, there was potential for an oil spill,

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Speaker 1: but what I'm seeing at the time where according this

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Speaker 1: is has not been once so far, Yeah exactly. I

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Speaker 1: mean every war is an ecological disaster, but this one

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Speaker 1: could re a particularly remarkable one. And then I just

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Speaker 1: do briefly want to mention the economic impacts of course,

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Speaker 1: like it will be very hard to be living on

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Speaker 1: this planet right now and not noticee economic impacts. But

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Speaker 1: the Republic of the Marshall Islands has declared the state

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Speaker 1: of emergency and begun fuel rationing that the strictly limiting

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Speaker 1: the use of government vehicles. I have reached out to

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Speaker 1: the government to presidency. You can hear my reporting from

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Speaker 1: Republican the Martial Islands, including an interview with the then

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Speaker 1: president in twenty twenty three. That's another series that we've

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Speaker 1: made here on it could happen here that I'm going

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Speaker 1: to see if we can get someone from the RMI

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Speaker 1: on for an interview, because I think some of these

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Speaker 1: small island nations right where everything has to be shipped

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Speaker 1: in the cost of fuel can make things extremely difficult

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Speaker 1: for people just trying to eke out an existence. There

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Speaker 1: in a place that the United States nuked despite never

879
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Speaker 1: raising the word and anger against us.

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Speaker 2: Finally, our last few stories this episode starting with a

881
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 2: Tale of Two Bombing Plots, American classic, truly the American

882
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 2: tradition that just won't die. My brother and sister have

883
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 2: been indicted after allegedly planting and improvised explicit device outside

884
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Speaker 2: of McDill Air Force Space in Tampa, Florida, on March tenth,

885
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 2: before fleeing to China two days later. After planting the bomb,

886
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 2: the brother allegedly alerted officials by calling nine to one

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Speaker 2: to one, but the explosive went undiscovered for nearly a week.

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Speaker 3: It did not detonate. Huh.

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Speaker 2: The sister was arrested after returning from China, and she's

890
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Speaker 2: charged with evidence tampering and being an accessory after the fact.

891
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Speaker 2: Prosecutors alleged that she helped clean and sell the car

892
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Speaker 2: used to plant the bomb and asked chat GPT how

893
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Speaker 2: to obtain a Chinese visa and transfer properties in her

894
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 2: brother's name, and searched for Chinese schools for her brother

895
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Speaker 2: to attend. Her brother is still suspected to be in China.

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Speaker 4: Look, I am stunned that these people didn't accidentally blow

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Speaker 4: themselves up.

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Speaker 2: Well, the reason why is because it's actually very hard

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Speaker 2: to build a bomb.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, I guess. I guess.

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Speaker 4: Well, because when you're trying to build a bomb, there's

902
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Speaker 4: three outcomes, right, there's one you failed to build a

903
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Speaker 4: bomb to you either succeed to build a bomb, or

904
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Speaker 4: fail to build a bomb and it blows you up,

905
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Speaker 4: or you successfully build a bomb.

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Speaker 3: As sets, building a bomb.

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Speaker 4: Is like that the hardest, and it's you're pretty likely

908
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Speaker 4: to blow yourself up or fail to build a bomb.

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Speaker 3: So I guess, I guess I never got.

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Speaker 4: To the threshold a bomb building where it would blow

911
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Speaker 4: themselves up because they just didn't produce it viable device.

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Speaker 2: In this next bombing plot, the suspect did actually construct

913
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Speaker 2: what could be considered a bomb. Oh good Lord, that

914
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 2: could have been used in what's being reported on as

915
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Speaker 2: an assassination plot. Last Thursday, a New Jersey man, Alexander

916
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Speaker 2: Heifler was arrested as a part of a plot to

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Speaker 2: firebomb the home of pro Palestinian activists nerden Kiswani Jesus Christ.

918
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Speaker 2: Alexander Heiffler is a member of the JDL six one

919
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 2: three Brotherhood, a new offshoot of the terrorist group the

920
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Speaker 2: Jewish Defense League, which has been active at Palestine protests

921
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Speaker 2: in New York the past few years. This is a

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Speaker 2: Zionist extremist group that has been designated in the past

923
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Speaker 2: by the FBI as extremist group. According to the criminal complaint,

924
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Speaker 2: Heifler was in a group video call with an undercover

925
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Speaker 2: officer last February in which he asked about receiving training

926
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Speaker 2: quote for how to use the instruments that were not knives, guns,

927
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,720
Speaker 2: or crossbows for quote unquote self defense. That's an odd,

928
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 2: odd phrasing in the complaint, cross not okay.

929
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Speaker 3: Things that aren't those things not okay.

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Speaker 2: Great things happening here, and Heifler later specifically mentioned that

931
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Speaker 2: he was looking for somewhere to throw molotovs oh boy.

932
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Speaker 2: The undercover sent Heifler a message via an encrypted messaging

933
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Speaker 2: application stating, Hey, let's talk about that in person. Don't

934
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Speaker 2: say that on here. Heifler responded, don't use the M word.

935
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Speaker 2: Copy that the M word, apparently being molotov. Incredible operational

936
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Speaker 2: security happening year. The next day, the two met in person.

937
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Speaker 2: Heifler told the undercover that molotovs were easy to make,

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Speaker 2: and they discussed targeting the home of pro Palestinian activist

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Speaker 2: ner Dean Kiswani. Heifler talked about needing to obtain fake

940
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Speaker 2: license plates and told the undercover that he had an

941
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Speaker 2: escape plan to flee the country. At the end of April,

942
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Speaker 2: Mayor Zoramumdani clarified online that Heifler intended to flee to Israel.

943
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Speaker 2: Great to quote Heifler in their criminal complaint quote, I'm thinking, like,

944
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Speaker 2: if we wanted to go after Kiswani, we have Kiswani's address,

945
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Speaker 2: so it's like that that would be easier if you'd

946
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Speaker 2: be more comfortable with that. Drive down to Kiswani's home,

947
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Speaker 2: middle of April, no IDs, no phones in and out

948
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Speaker 2: unquote Great. A few weeks later they met up again

949
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Speaker 2: and drove to Kiswani's home to conduct surveillance. Heifler told

950
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Speaker 2: the undercover that he had done tests with a molotov

951
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 2: and a DNA kit from a pharmacy, and because his

952
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 2: DNA showed up on the test, they should wear gloves

953
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 2: during the attack. A real genius at work.

954
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Speaker 3: Oh my god.

955
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 2: The plan was to build twelve molotovs and throw several

956
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Speaker 2: at the home and two at cars parked outside. Heifler

957
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 2: mentioned having an address they could hide out before he

958
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 2: would then flee to Israel. On March twenty sixth, they

959
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 2: met at Heifler's home to start making the molotovs, and

960
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 2: after the assembly, law enforcement searched the home and Heifler

961
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,240
Speaker 2: was arrested and has since been charged with unlawful possession

962
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 2: and making of a destructive device.

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Speaker 4: Great stuff. I very glad they didn't pull this off.

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Speaker 4: And also, Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 2: You know something like this. It is interesting that this

966
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 2: was a joint with the FBI, that the current FBI

967
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 2: was was doing like a sort of sting operation like

968
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 2: this with the Jewish Defense League. Is interesting. That is

969
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 2: that is something that I think people may not have expected.

970
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 2: The undercover was part of the further of this plan

971
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 2: in some ways. I don't know. We don't know if

972
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 2: this guy would have done this exact attack if not

973
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 2: planned with the undercover. But this guy was very, very

974
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 2: clearly willing and able to hurt and possibly kill this

975
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 2: pro Palestinian activist, a very prominent one at that. Lastly,

976
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 2: let's talk about Pink News and the Idaho bathroom bill.

977
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:25,919
Speaker 3: Oh my fucking god. Yeah.

978
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 2: So earlier this week I released an episode and an

979
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 2: accompanying article online on what I've dubbed the trans panic

980
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 2: clickbait economy. My reporting goes through a series of misleading

981
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 2: viral claims about the attacks on trans people from the

982
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 2: Trump administration and Red States that have been recently flooding

983
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 2: the zone and overwhelming the senses with an endless stream

984
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 2: of forecast to doom. These viral claims are usually based

985
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 2: on some irresponsible reporting designed to drive in an engagement

986
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 2: rather than inform about the very real dangerous trans people

987
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 2: are facing. This kind of clickbait treats every horrific potentiality

988
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 2: as an inevitable eventuality, undermining our capacity to accurately assess

989
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 2: risk and effectively dedicate resources to oppose pressing threats. One

990
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 2: of the key outlets profiting from the panic clickbaita economy

991
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 2: right now has been Pink News in LGBTQ news outlet,

992
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 2: which we learned last month is pivoting to a quote

993
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 2: unquote reporter free newsroom.

994
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 4: Incredible and just We're one of the most Aurelian things

995
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 4: I've ever heard.

996
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 3: Just holy fuck, just just on a base level of

997
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 3: like just oh my reporter free newsgroup.

998
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 2: Because of this change, one of the journalists there I've

999
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 2: already quit, with four others possibly being laid off shortly.

1000
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 2: The sort of editorial department of pink News is now

1001
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 2: being taken over by their social media content creation wing

1002
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 2: and some of like the editorial staff, which are repackaging

1003
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 2: press releases and stealing the work of other journalists, including

1004
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 2: some other journalists who may be engaging in this sort

1005
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 2: of misleading reporting attempting to drive their own engagement. Then

1006
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 2: pink News is using that framing to drive their own engagement.

1007
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 2: That's why this sort of panic economy is a whole economy.

1008
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 2: It feeds on itself now. On March thirtieth, Pink News

1009
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 2: published an article that went viral online that claimed Kentucky

1010
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 2: was quote to pass a bill that would declare trans

1011
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 2: people mentally ill unquote, as well as prohibiting trans people

1012
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 2: from teaching in schools. But a report from an actual

1013
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 2: Kentucky based journalist named Olivia Croft for the outlet Queer

1014
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 2: Kentucky clarified that no such bill was going to pass.

1015
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 2: The push for a bill declaring trans people as mentally

1016
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 2: ill was by a single Republican state senator named Gex

1017
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 2: Williams Jesus Christ. So yeah, pause there, Deax Williams and

1018
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 2: Gex could not even accomplish the first step in the

1019
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 2: legislative process, getting the set in committee assignment for this

1020
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:05,479
Speaker 2: prospective bill. Gex then tried to turn his failed bill

1021
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 2: into a floor amendment slapped onto a separate bill that

1022
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 2: was expected to pass, but such an amendment still requires

1023
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 2: a vote on approval separate from the vote to pass

1024
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 2: the bill itself. Olivia Croth reported that this amendment does

1025
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 2: not have such support from other legislators and that Gex

1026
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 2: was expected to withdraw his amendment for breaking Senate rules

1027
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 2: on piggybacking failed bills onto different bills as an amendment,

1028
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 2: And even if this amendment somehow got through, the bill

1029
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 2: would then need to be sent back to the state

1030
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 2: House for approval and would spark a huge fight that

1031
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,280
Speaker 2: the legislature does not have time for because the legislative

1032
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 2: season is now wrapping up. So after this article from

1033
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 2: pink news was fact checked by this really good journalist

1034
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:52,320
Speaker 2: doing doing important reporting in Kentucky, pink News then deleted

1035
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,959
Speaker 2: this article and the viral posts plugging it. But any

1036
00:56:56,080 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 2: corrections to this false story do not spread nearly as

1037
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 2: far as the initial panic inducing claim. And like that's

1038
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 2: crucial here because the night that this article went out

1039
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 2: on pink News, literally my entire feed was full of

1040
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 2: dozens and dozens and dozens people all quote tweeting this

1041
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 2: pink News story. And the fact check and the fact

1042
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 2: that pink News deleted this is not going to get

1043
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 2: spread in that same way now. Misleading stories like this

1044
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 2: distract from the very real attacks Republicans are waging in

1045
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 2: Red states, one of which one of a few was

1046
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 2: on Monday, the governor of Idaho signed a new bill

1047
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 2: into law that criminalizes trans people using the bathroom that

1048
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 2: matches their gender, including bathrooms in private businesses. A first

1049
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 2: defense would be a misdemeanor with punishable by up to

1050
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 2: a year in prison. Second offense within five years would

1051
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 2: be a felony, punishable by up to five years in prison.

1052
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 2: And this would be prison housed based on quote unquote

1053
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 2: biological sex at birth, which leads to abuse of trans inmates.

1054
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 2: This is the most extreme bathroom but that this nation

1055
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 2: has seen so far, the most restrictive affecting private businesses,

1056
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 2: and this is sort of very very intense criminal punishment.

1057
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's also worth noting in ways there are

1058
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 4: very plea trans people are also just criminalized at an

1059
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 4: extremely high rate, and these felony charges would count for

1060
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 4: Idaho's three strikes law, which is a fucking nightmare. This

1061
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 4: and we also got the Supreme Court ruling on Tuesday

1062
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 4: which applies a significantly stricter level of scrutiny to any

1063
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 4: ban on conversion therapy, which is probably going to end

1064
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 4: up killing a whole bunch of conversion therapy bans across

1065
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 4: the country, which, by the way, eight to one ruling,

1066
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 4: so a bunch of liberal justices also fucking agreed with this. Yeah,

1067
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 4: I like that shit is like actually happening. And then

1068
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 4: meanwhile we have this like haddock slop bullshit that people

1069
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 4: are using to get money, and it's incredibly frustrated.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes it harder to actually evaluate the news

1071
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 2: as it's happening and trust certain news from certain sources,

1072
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 2: because we all know that these attacks are real, Like,

1073
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 2: there are real attacks going on that are really bad,

1074
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 2: but we do need to focus on the ones that

1075
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 2: actually are real. As opposed to a single state Senator's

1076
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 2: amendment to a bill which is never going to pass,

1077
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Speaker 2: taking up all of the oxygen one night. Meanwhile, literally

1078
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 2: that same day, a bill like this Idaho bathroom bill

1079
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Speaker 2: is being signed by the governor.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

1081
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 2: Well, on that note, I think that does it for

1082
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 2: us here at it could happen here.

1083
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 4: Put a transgirl on your couch, I guess, especially also

1084
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 4: now trans people from Idaho who are going to be

1085
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 4: fleeing and presumably believe very large numbers.

1086
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Speaker 3: And great and good.

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Speaker 2: We reported the news.

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Speaker 3: We reported the news.

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Speaker 7: It could happen here is a production of cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 7: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. You can

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Speaker 7: now find sources where it could happen here listed directly

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Speaker 7: in episode descriptions. Thanks for listening.