Speaker 1: That's what's good.
Speaker 2: Family. It's your girl to Mika d.
Speaker 3: Mallory and it's your boy my song the gentlemen, and
Speaker 3: we are.
Speaker 2: Your host of street Politicians.
Speaker 1: The place on the streets and politics.
Speaker 2: Me, mister Lennon, has been a good June teenth week.
Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am, very good, very good June teens, June teenth,
Speaker 3: shout out to you. You were honored at a Juneteenth
Speaker 3: event the other day and the Juneteenth Honors, and our
Speaker 3: sister mc like was the host of the night and
Speaker 3: she she was very educational. She gave a lot of
Speaker 3: different things educating people about Juneteenth that probably didn't know.
Speaker 3: If you didn't see the show, you should probably go
Speaker 3: check it out. It on FUSE channel.
Speaker 1: The night.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Fuse TV, FEU TV. Go check the show out.
Speaker 3: Shout out to everybody who was honored. Chuck d was honored,
Speaker 3: my guy, my new.
Speaker 4: Best friend, well Herbie Handcott was also honored, yep.
Speaker 2: The president of Morris Brown College.
Speaker 3: President of Morris Brown College.
Speaker 2: I think. And then your new best friend.
Speaker 3: Yes, my new best friend, my boy Rohan Marley, who
Speaker 3: you know, we've been I've always admired him and respected
Speaker 3: that the legacy of the Mally's. But when we met
Speaker 3: it was like we were brothers.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 3: And his energy is dope. He a tourist just like myself.
Speaker 2: Who Rohan Marley is. You shouldn't just assume everybody Maley.
Speaker 3: Rohan Marley is the son of Barb you know, also
Speaker 3: the the father of Lauren Hill's children as well. So
Speaker 3: he and he's a dope. He's just a dope individual.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: His energy is on high. You know, we were in
Speaker 3: this hotel. He ran up to me like, yo, I
Speaker 3: loved everything you do, you know, and we just clicked
Speaker 3: from there. Man. And he's and he loves the party.
Speaker 3: He loves to have a good time.
Speaker 2: He didn't even party that much though, No.
Speaker 3: But he's just chilling. He just loves the energy. He
Speaker 3: just he's one of those people that has beautiful energy.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: We talked about a lot of different things. Man, So
Speaker 3: I really I really appreciate what it is.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say sorry, I'm loving my my little nuts
Speaker 4: that they left me and excuse me. I guess I
Speaker 4: don't know if he's supposed to say, youlltow nuts. But
Speaker 4: the little fruit and peanuts that they left me in
Speaker 4: the hotel. So I've been over there munching on him.
Speaker 4: So anyway, whatever that is so twenty year old ish okay,
Speaker 4: and you are so damn nippit telling about somebody's pause.
Speaker 1: Of course.
Speaker 4: Anyway, we ended up spending the evening with him and
Speaker 4: Hill Harper, who Hill Harper is a friend.
Speaker 2: Hill's already a friend.
Speaker 4: We love Hill, and Hill was the presenter for Rohan's award,
Speaker 4: and so all of us were there together.
Speaker 2: It was a great event.
Speaker 4: Ja Rul and Ashanti performed a whole concert at the end,
Speaker 4: their songs together, their individual songs. It was amazing. DJ
Speaker 4: had the people June teenth chilling, you know. And it
Speaker 4: was a good mixture at the event too, because you
Speaker 4: had the enjoyable things that we love our music, all
Speaker 4: of the craft, Leila Hathaway and her voice with one
Speaker 4: of the Wayian's sons.
Speaker 2: I don't know exactly which one it is.
Speaker 4: I missed his name, but we're gonna find out because
Speaker 4: he has a powerful song that I would love for
Speaker 4: us to make sure we uplift.
Speaker 2: So it was like a lot of great things and
Speaker 2: the show people should really check it out on Fuse.
Speaker 4: But what I was gonna say about Rohan is I'm
Speaker 4: sure he does love to party because he comes from
Speaker 4: the Marley family, like they are a music family, a
Speaker 4: soul family, a party family, a turn up family.
Speaker 2: That's who they are, right.
Speaker 4: But he wasn't even partying so much as he likes
Speaker 4: to hold court. And that is the thing that I
Speaker 4: appreciate about some of about some of the men and
Speaker 4: people in general, because I love it about Cora masses Berry,
Speaker 4: which is the wife of the late Great Marion Barry
Speaker 4: DC Mayor. These are people who've had such experiences and
Speaker 4: or they come from such a legacy that when they're
Speaker 4: holding court they're able to draw you into their storytelling
Speaker 4: by telling you about things you don't know, giving you
Speaker 4: the history of stuff, telling you that we were talking
Speaker 4: about a whole different situation, and he had a whole
Speaker 4: other side to a conversation that we asked about and
Speaker 4: what it's. By the time he was finished explaining it,
Speaker 4: we laughed one like hell because he's hilarious.
Speaker 2: But also.
Speaker 4: Even though he was being funny, what he was saying
Speaker 4: was some real shit about like black people and how
Speaker 4: we always think somebody else's ice is colder than the
Speaker 4: ice that's right here. It's already freezing your drink, but
Speaker 4: you over there trying to get to do ice or
Speaker 4: the other people's ice or the clearer ice, instead of
Speaker 4: working with your own people. And even though he was
Speaker 4: saying funny things, when you think about the reality of
Speaker 4: his message, it's so true. And I love people like that,
Speaker 4: that they are able to articulate, make you laugh but also.
Speaker 2: Make you think.
Speaker 4: And so Rowan to me, I mean you, I've not
Speaker 4: met many Marley's, but I have been in rooms where
Speaker 4: there have been other family members of Bob Marley's, and
Speaker 4: one thing that is so clear is that that family
Speaker 4: is full of brilliant people. Like these people, they came
Speaker 4: from greatness, you know, and I think we we we
Speaker 4: got to see a lot of that up close and
Speaker 4: personal with Rohan.
Speaker 2: Your best.
Speaker 3: We gotta he said, he want to come on the show,
Speaker 3: so we gotta have him on the show. That'll be
Speaker 3: a dope in.
Speaker 2: And maybe he learned how to say June teenth, June.
Speaker 3: Tenth, June teenth, that that was the joke of the night.
Speaker 3: He said, I'm Jamaican, I can say June and teenth.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was really good. The event, it's great. Please check
Speaker 2: it out again.
Speaker 4: It's on fu TV and it's on demand now you
Speaker 4: can find the show.
Speaker 2: It was a beautiful, beautiful moment.
Speaker 4: The Juneteenth Foundation presented Juneteenth Honors.
Speaker 2: This is their third year.
Speaker 4: And as you said, our sister mc lights was the.
Speaker 2: The the host.
Speaker 4: She also and the mc she was the host, and
Speaker 4: I guess what, mc light is also funny, so that
Speaker 4: it's gonna be it's gonna be a good show.
Speaker 2: So I well, it is a good show, so make
Speaker 2: sure you check it out.
Speaker 4: Also, I think I don't know if it was specifically
Speaker 4: a Juneteenth event, but my girlfriend, uh, someone who's also
Speaker 4: coordinated you being involved in a lot of black mail
Speaker 4: initiative stuff, especially with Lewis Carr, who has been the
Speaker 4: head of I think that the not chief marketing but
Speaker 4: the chief financial officer.
Speaker 2: Anyway, he raises massive money at b e T.
Speaker 4: He's in charge of like all the sponsorship dollars and
Speaker 4: and you know, the corporate partners and what have you
Speaker 4: at at b ET and she, Yvonne McNair, helped to
Speaker 4: facilitate you being involved with some of his black mail
Speaker 4: initiative work.
Speaker 2: Which they do every year.
Speaker 4: And she honored me at the Black Independence Awards, so
Speaker 4: you know, same time period Juneteenth, looking at our independence
Speaker 4: and emancipation, and it also was a very fabulous event.
Speaker 4: And you know, I think that I've been talking in
Speaker 4: all of my speeches for Juneteenth. I've been speaking for
Speaker 4: every day for the last two weeks about the Juneteenth
Speaker 4: Holiday and what it means. And I think the biggest
Speaker 4: message is this idea that still some of our people
Speaker 4: don't know that we're free right because of their conditions,
Speaker 4: because of what they experience every day, it sure doesn't
Speaker 4: feel like freedom, and there's so much more of a
Speaker 4: fight to go.
Speaker 2: We asked for reparations, they gave us a.
Speaker 4: Holiday, but it's our responsibility to take that holiday and
Speaker 4: turn it into the continuation of the fight for reparations.
Speaker 4: And I think that's the message, is that Juneteenth is
Speaker 4: not a day off, but it's a day on to
Speaker 4: get ourselves organized for the fight to make sure that
Speaker 4: for the fight, to make sure that what has happened
Speaker 4: to us on American soil, that there is repair for
Speaker 4: the damage, because certainly damage has been.
Speaker 1: Caused, definitely man.
Speaker 3: And this weekend was also Father's Day, you know, so
Speaker 3: shout out to Father's Day. I did two marches shout
Speaker 3: out to my boy Hunk Team Hunk in Harlem. We
Speaker 3: did a big rally to declare most of the basketball tournaments.
Speaker 3: We marched about a good twenty to thirty blocks to
Speaker 3: each to each of the tournaments that are going to
Speaker 3: be starting next week to declare them safe havens and
Speaker 3: you know, and to make sure that the kids are
Speaker 3: able to be safe out there. Don't want any guns,
Speaker 3: We don't want any violence, you know, and we wanted
Speaker 3: to declare that. So you know, we let a march
Speaker 3: on Saturday that did that and also shout out to
Speaker 3: my brother eighteen Mitchell.
Speaker 1: I was not able to actually be there, but he did.
Speaker 3: His annual Father's Day Walk which the mayor and others attended.
Speaker 3: You know, was suited and booted. Everybody was suited up,
Speaker 3: so that was a great event. You know, I usually
Speaker 3: go to his event, but I already obligated to be
Speaker 3: the marshal of this rally that we did, so, you know,
Speaker 3: shout out to him. And then on Father's Day Counselman
Speaker 3: Rally in the Bronx, we did a march there on
Speaker 3: Father's there Father's Day walk in which we did there.
Speaker 3: So it was it was a busy weekend just seeing
Speaker 3: strong men together with their children. You know, we celebrated us,
Speaker 3: the fathers celebrated each other man, So that was it
Speaker 3: was a dope weekend.
Speaker 2: That's as you should.
Speaker 4: So just make sure that folks are aware of keeping
Speaker 4: people up on the news. The man who choked Jordan
Speaker 4: nearly to death was indicted, so you know, he was
Speaker 4: arrested in charged. First of all, he was taken in
Speaker 4: for questioning release, and then we went buck fool crazy
Speaker 4: on everybody to say that that man should have been arrested.
Speaker 4: Even if you think that the facts will come out
Speaker 4: to support his theory or his statements that they felt
Speaker 4: threatened on the train, even if you think that that's true,
Speaker 4: he still should have to face a court of his
Speaker 4: peers that will determine if they also believe right that
Speaker 4: they will decide if what he did, just like.
Speaker 3: Anybody else, if I shot somebody in my house, if
Speaker 3: I shot somebody in my house right now, or not
Speaker 3: in my house, if I shot somebody outside, even though
Speaker 3: if I'm a legal gun on or whatever, I would
Speaker 3: have to prove in the court of Lord. Not my words.
Speaker 3: Is just not going to be like, hey, he did
Speaker 3: something to me without any video without anything that I'm
Speaker 3: just gonna walk off without being skinny. No, you're gonna
Speaker 3: be charged, and then you're gonna have to present evidence
Speaker 3: that shows that you that you were right, You were
Speaker 3: justified for taking someone's life.
Speaker 4: Right, And the police were not even intending to do that.
Speaker 4: I don't know how people don't see the problems with policing.
Speaker 4: But anyway, they weren't.
Speaker 3: That's a whole other ship.
Speaker 2: Right, they weren't. They weren't even trying to do that.
Speaker 2: They just let the man go home. But and and
Speaker 2: and and.
Speaker 4: The officials in not all of them, but we have
Speaker 4: to say Mayor Adams, the level of uh, like how
Speaker 4: quick they just the tone was like even even the
Speaker 4: governor the first day, Kathy Hockel. The tone was as
Speaker 4: if people were just so sure that mental illness caused
Speaker 4: the situation and that it's more than likely that this
Speaker 4: man was defending and protecting people. I mean, that was
Speaker 4: the energy that folks were given until more details came out,
Speaker 4: until more people organize. And so now a jury, a
Speaker 4: grand jury, has heard some evidence, and clearly they also
Speaker 4: agreed that the man should go before a court of
Speaker 4: law so that the courts can determine what he did
Speaker 4: and what he didn't do, and why he did it,
Speaker 4: and whether or not it was justified or not. I mean,
Speaker 4: we just want simple shit. We just want simple things,
Speaker 4: so that that's the deal with that. So also the
Speaker 4: and by the way, he raised two million, more than
Speaker 4: two million dollars, so they're you know, there, there's there's that.
Speaker 2: So there's been this whole thing going on.
Speaker 4: And let me tell you, I only educated myself because
Speaker 4: our sister Teslain Figureo posted something about how she wanted
Speaker 4: to talk about the issue of Sukiyana aka Suki with
Speaker 4: the Good Kuchi and why k O Cyrus who I
Speaker 4: don't know anything about what he does. I don't know
Speaker 4: anything much about Sukie with the Good Kuchi either, except
Speaker 4: I watched her interview on the Breakfast Club, and I
Speaker 4: saw many clips out there when she was talking about
Speaker 4: like how you know, people want her to say like
Speaker 4: she's gay, and she's not trying to say she's gay,
Speaker 4: she's just you know, like a lot of the younger generation,
Speaker 4: they kind of feel like they just free so that
Speaker 4: so I did watch a little bit of that, and
Speaker 4: that was the first time I kind of learned anything
Speaker 4: about her so this is a real new thing. I
Speaker 4: still don't know why they what show they were on,
Speaker 4: or what happened, but I do know that or I
Speaker 4: saw the images of him trying to kiss her in
Speaker 4: her mouth, and then.
Speaker 2: You posted about it, so so you know, I get it.
Speaker 4: I get the essence of it, but I'm a little
Speaker 4: bit lost on the details.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean details is pretty much what you've seen
Speaker 3: on the tape.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I believe they were hosting some type of basketball game
Speaker 3: or some type of event that they were at, and
Speaker 3: sexual conversation broke out, and based on their conversation, he
Speaker 3: took it as a challenge, which I don't know why,
Speaker 3: and he decided to try to kiss in the mouth
Speaker 3: two times, and you see her moving away with this
Speaker 3: kind of a shock look on face. He laughed, everybody
Speaker 3: else laughed it off, you know, and social media. At
Speaker 3: first there was no comment from either side at all,
Speaker 3: and then after the day of social media constantly, you know,
Speaker 3: then she she released some statements basically, you know, saying
Speaker 3: that what happened to her, she was hurt and she
Speaker 3: was taking time to process, you know. Then he came
Speaker 3: out with an apology, and then her mother responded pretty
Speaker 3: much like, fucked that, apologies on when we see you,
Speaker 3: you know. And it's been this big debate online, you know,
Speaker 3: basically just about Sukiana, which we've had these conversations before
Speaker 3: Old Time, which was about Sukiana and the imagery she portrayed.
Speaker 3: Her music and her image is sexual in nature, you know,
Speaker 3: and it is over there. Yes, she's an artist, and
Speaker 3: it's very she has I don't know if you know Poundtown.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you ever heard Poundtown. I don't
Speaker 3: know if you but it's it's very, very explicit, and
Speaker 3: she talks about sex. She does a lot of sexual
Speaker 3: things on her Instagram, on her social media, most of
Speaker 3: her interviews are very sexual nature. Everything she does is
Speaker 3: pretty much very sexual. So a lot of people were
Speaker 3: saying that, well, this is the energy she invites, and
Speaker 3: there was this big debate, and what I just went
Speaker 3: on my page is it was talking to the men.
Speaker 3: You know, what I've learned about from being around you guys,
Speaker 3: A lot is that I don't get to okay, I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: being around you ladies, you know, is that I don't
Speaker 3: get to man explain what women need to do. My
Speaker 3: job was to talk to men, and I just wanted
Speaker 3: them to under staying that there's no time where you
Speaker 3: are in control of any sexual encounter with the women.
Speaker 3: And that's just the reality of what it is. And
Speaker 3: you have to be very mindful of that. You can't assume,
Speaker 3: you can't misread a situation. You can't touch a woman
Speaker 3: because you believe that she's she said something that other
Speaker 3: than touch me. You know that there has to be
Speaker 3: real understanding because these situations can be very detrimental to men.
Speaker 3: Society has has evolved in that regard, you know. I
Speaker 3: was talking about how back in the days, you know,
Speaker 3: you will see love scenes where a man walked into
Speaker 3: the room, he looked at women in her eyes and
Speaker 3: he grabs her by the arms and she said no,
Speaker 3: get off me, and he kissed her and then she
Speaker 3: said no, no, and then she kissed her back, and
Speaker 3: that was sort of the thing. That's not the thing
Speaker 3: no more. That is sexual assault, and it is raped
Speaker 3: now and we have to evolve, we have to understand
Speaker 3: those things, you know, and a lot of people, most
Speaker 3: people agree, but then there are women saying, oh, you're
Speaker 3: trying to act like he is a victim, and this
Speaker 3: and that.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't understand what you mean.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about the reality of where we are in society.
Speaker 3: Men do not control any sexual ENCOUNTERSS and and if
Speaker 3: our men, if we're not educating our men to that
Speaker 3: understand that they can't afford to be wrong about situations,
Speaker 3: then what do you what do you want us to do?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: And I also said to women some of the women like,
Speaker 3: I don't I don't appreciate the fact that you're trying
Speaker 3: to women explain me how to talk to men, you know, like, like,
Speaker 3: I've given the grace when I hear women talking about
Speaker 3: women should do it, I don't.
Speaker 1: I no longer say what she should do.
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter what my opinion is of her, of
Speaker 3: how she presents herself. It doesn't matter, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. The reality of the situation is she I
Speaker 3: don't give for how she presents herself. No man has
Speaker 3: the right to invade her space and to force himself
Speaker 3: to kiss or do anything else, you know. So when
Speaker 3: women were coming to me like, wow, you're trying to
Speaker 3: make it seem like, no, I'm talking to men. I
Speaker 3: have three sons, right, and that this is the conversation
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to them is that you have to
Speaker 3: be very aware because there is a double like there's
Speaker 3: a double less world. Yes, there are situations where you
Speaker 3: can be aggressive, you can be doing something wrong, you
Speaker 3: can be there. But there are also situations where you
Speaker 3: are a successful man and a person a woman who
Speaker 3: has who has malicious intent can utilize that to get you.
Speaker 3: So you have to be aware of either of those situations.
Speaker 3: So the best way is just don't do it. That's
Speaker 3: the best way to be aware of it, you know.
Speaker 3: So that that's the online conversation.
Speaker 4: I don't see anything wrong with what you're saying, because
Speaker 4: it is true that men have to be taught that
Speaker 4: one they need to.
Speaker 2: Not try to read the room. You don't got to
Speaker 2: read the room.
Speaker 4: You gotta at this point, based upon the fact that
Speaker 4: there are people out here who claim that they have
Speaker 4: and it has been done, that they have been falsely
Speaker 4: accused and it has absolutely happened, right, and we've seen
Speaker 4: even more of folks claiming they're being falsely accused and
Speaker 4: women saying no, this was rape, and now trying to
Speaker 4: determine and define the lines of clarity, and all of
Speaker 4: that has become a big part of the public discourse.
Speaker 4: That's a fact, right, And so don't read the room
Speaker 4: because you may read wrong. No, for sure, it is
Speaker 4: nothing wrong with having a conversation with somebody and being
Speaker 4: clear about what they want and a direction that you're
Speaker 4: going to go in.
Speaker 2: And in the situation that I saw, just a little
Speaker 2: bit that I understand.
Speaker 4: About it, the brother tried to read the energy that
Speaker 4: he thought was there and wasn't really sure about what
Speaker 4: she was or was not willing to do. And by
Speaker 4: the way, despite whatever conversation they may have been having,
Speaker 4: they was talking shit.
Speaker 2: Keep key, you don't touch me in public in front
Speaker 2: of people.
Speaker 4: You don't know what my situation is, because by the
Speaker 4: way it sounds to me again, I'm I'm speaking completely
Speaker 4: without knowing either one of these people, really and only
Speaker 4: watching one short clip of this particular young woman. So
Speaker 4: I'm in the best position, I think, to give my
Speaker 4: opinion because I don't even know about all of this
Speaker 4: stuff about her sexy and this, this, that and the third.
Speaker 4: I'm just going on a little bit of information. What
Speaker 4: I know is that people have images. Right, I'll give
Speaker 4: you a perfect well, I won't say the person's name.
Speaker 4: But there's a guy that is on the internet that
Speaker 4: until recently most people had no idea how intelligent and
Speaker 4: intellectual he is and the way he speaks and the
Speaker 4: things that he says, which he still does that all
Speaker 4: the time, but he drops bombs and knowledge all the
Speaker 4: time and it and his voice even changes sometimes when
Speaker 4: he's talking about the theory and shit that's happening in
Speaker 4: this country and all the crazy political stuff that we're
Speaker 4: dealing with, and and a lot of people say to me,
Speaker 4: I had no idea that he even thought like this
Speaker 4: because of.
Speaker 2: The image that he portrays every day.
Speaker 4: But that does not mean that now you could just
Speaker 4: decide that you're going to go you know that when
Speaker 4: he walks into the bank, that because you saw him
Speaker 4: on the internet, that you now don't think that he
Speaker 4: can buy a house, right that you, as a bank officer,
Speaker 4: don't get to make a decision that because he was
Speaker 4: acting so ghetto on the on the on the on
Speaker 4: the internet and you'd be seeing him on there, that
Speaker 4: he don't got enough money or credit or ability to
Speaker 4: manage a home.
Speaker 2: So you don't read the room.
Speaker 4: What you do is go through the process and in
Speaker 4: a banking situation. The process would be, despite how ignorant
Speaker 4: he may sound, fill.
Speaker 2: Out the application and let me see what you got
Speaker 2: in the bank. That's it. We're going through the process.
Speaker 4: And it's the same thing, which I agree with with sex.
Speaker 2: Don't worry about whether or not you think maybe.
Speaker 4: And it feels kind of like, nah, confirm what's up.
Speaker 2: What we're doing here, where we at, that's it.
Speaker 4: And so you damn sure can't find that out while
Speaker 4: you at a game, on the show or whatever. You
Speaker 4: can't find that out. All you're doing right now is
Speaker 4: talking shit. That's fodder for it's energy for the shit
Speaker 4: that might come later. I mean, it's just like a
Speaker 4: husband and wife or a boyfriend and a girlfriend. You
Speaker 4: ain't getting raped some people, but let's I'm talking about
Speaker 4: the majority. Y'all ain't about to get busy right here
Speaker 4: in the restaurant. But across the table you're talking shit.
Speaker 4: You saying, you know, when I get you home, it's
Speaker 4: gonna be this, this, that and the third.
Speaker 2: But then the restaurant is not the right.
Speaker 4: Place to whip your shit out and put it on
Speaker 4: the table, Like what are we talking about?
Speaker 2: This is very.
Speaker 4: Simple and it just was wrong time wrong place. You
Speaker 4: don't know who that woman is with right her image.
Speaker 4: It's like CARDI think about Carti Carty talking about that
Speaker 4: koochie all day and all night.
Speaker 2: She popping in, she's shaking it, she dropping in, she
Speaker 2: doing all that.
Speaker 4: But I bet you she know better than to let
Speaker 4: somebody than to be kissing and touching with somebody with
Speaker 4: her husband. Her husband is completely fine with the image
Speaker 4: that she has created for herself of being a sex
Speaker 4: symbol in our own right that helps them make millions
Speaker 4: and millions and millions of dollars. But you, my son,
Speaker 4: or whoever other men, bet not go somewhere and start
Speaker 4: kissing on her, because that that woman got.
Speaker 3: A hundred that's one hundred percent. And I think that
Speaker 3: that pretty much breaks it down. I think, you know,
Speaker 3: I think we live in over sexualized times. The culture
Speaker 3: is over sexualized. And as I did, I started just
Speaker 3: just doing research. Like I said, I said, I thought
Speaker 3: what happened to her was wrong one hundred percent, But
Speaker 3: I said, I've also seen situations and men talking to her,
Speaker 3: things that were happening with physicality. Shit that was going
Speaker 3: on that I also thought was wrong, right, that she
Speaker 3: didn't think was wrong so I don't get to like
Speaker 3: what I What I said is I don't get to
Speaker 3: decide what's wrong all right for her right. But I
Speaker 3: do know this, people are going to have conversations with
Speaker 3: you based on what you put out into the universe. Now,
Speaker 3: I'm not talking about physicality. The physicality part of it
Speaker 3: should never happen. But people are going to think that
Speaker 3: you you're gonna get You're gonna get invited to the
Speaker 3: sex parties. Niggas gonna come up to you and ask
Speaker 3: you about your pussy because that's the image that you
Speaker 3: put out all the time. When when that's all you
Speaker 3: talk about, then it freaks out there that that's what
Speaker 3: they think about. Niggas think about fucking all the time.
Speaker 3: So regard the reality the situation is when every conversation
Speaker 3: that you have is based on sex. When somebody meets you,
Speaker 3: that's who they think you are. So the conversation, the
Speaker 3: conversations are going to but the physicality, the physicality. But
Speaker 3: she has to be understanding that you are going to
Speaker 3: invite energy of people who are just straight up freaks
Speaker 3: because this is what you put into the Like I've
Speaker 3: start paying attention to you know, a lot of shit
Speaker 3: that she did. There was people putting in their fingers
Speaker 3: in her vagina, like on like visit like online, like
Speaker 3: these are like she was talking on a ten year
Speaker 3: old board, like these are things that will happen. So
Speaker 3: I see that we have to have levels of outrage
Speaker 3: for everything. This man is definitely wrong and whatever happens
Speaker 3: to him, he has to deal with those consequences. But
Speaker 3: we also got to say, why is she torking on
Speaker 3: a ten year old.
Speaker 2: Well I'm not listen, but see.
Speaker 4: But but that's the thing what we have to be
Speaker 4: very careful of because yes, all those conversations should and
Speaker 4: can happen, but they cannot be conflated, right, And that's
Speaker 4: the same thing that they do when we say police
Speaker 4: brutality and they go, yeah, but what about black one
Speaker 4: black crime.
Speaker 2: That we can deal with.
Speaker 4: That, we can deal with the twerking on a little
Speaker 4: boy and all of that. But what we're not gonna
Speaker 4: do is bring up black one black violence or violence
Speaker 4: among black people. At the same time, while we're talking
Speaker 4: about police.
Speaker 3: Kill, we were talking about we're talking about individual no, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: we're talking about.
Speaker 4: But the reason why, the reason no, I'm telling you
Speaker 4: because it's like this, because no, let me just finish
Speaker 4: my point. Because the reason why those women are reacting
Speaker 4: to you in a way, which again I agree with you,
Speaker 4: I agree with you, and I'm sure that they are
Speaker 4: triggered for various reasons, but I know one reason why
Speaker 4: they feel the way that they do, and I didn't.
Speaker 4: I didn't see any of this, So I'm just going
Speaker 4: about what I think. Where you said a few women
Speaker 4: came to you, it's because underneath the surface of that statement, like, well,
Speaker 4: you also have to be careful of the energy.
Speaker 2: That you invite, which I didn't agree with.
Speaker 3: That's what you just said, guess is a conversation we
Speaker 3: have now this is I didn't even put that.
Speaker 4: But when you say, when you say like we don't
Speaker 4: we don't make decisions or whatever you know, and all
Speaker 4: of that, it still has in it this little vein
Speaker 4: of even though the chick might be a complete trick
Speaker 4: and all the way whatever she is, still you don't
Speaker 4: touch her because you can get in trouble, but not
Speaker 4: because regardless of how she may look at or be,
Speaker 4: she is her and you are you, and you are
Speaker 4: not allowed to invade her just because you feel like
Speaker 4: whatever she may or may not be doing. Gives you
Speaker 4: permission that that to me is a total different conversation
Speaker 4: because what that the thing is.
Speaker 3: But what I'm trying to say is this because we
Speaker 3: have to be we have to be honest in this conversation. Right,
Speaker 3: Like the average woman that walks up to a man,
Speaker 3: right that grabs his dick. The nigga's not gonna call
Speaker 3: the police.
Speaker 2: But that's not cool.
Speaker 3: No, But listen what I'm just listen to what I'm
Speaker 3: saying so you can understand what I'm saying. Every scenario
Speaker 3: in situation can be different. I'm almost sure just just
Speaker 3: based off the way he did that that this has
Speaker 3: worked before, right, These they've worked before.
Speaker 1: There are men who walked up.
Speaker 3: When you have a certain level of status, you can
Speaker 3: walk into certain places, you can grab certain women, and
Speaker 3: they're okay with it. These situations have worked before. You
Speaker 3: don't find out it don't work, into it don't work.
Speaker 3: So what I'm explaining to you, so every situation is
Speaker 3: not it's not one thing. It's not Yo, that situation
Speaker 3: ain't it's worked for him in his situation before. He
Speaker 3: probably have five or ten girls that he probably have
Speaker 3: dealt with in that same manner, and he got what
Speaker 3: he needed out of the situation. The girl didn't feel she
Speaker 3: didn't feel the change. She actually wanted that energy. She
Speaker 3: said this to them, so he can do these things.
Speaker 3: Those situations actually happen. So when I say that, it's
Speaker 3: to say that I get it. I get what you're saying.
Speaker 3: You might say, Yo. Usually when the should do something
Speaker 3: like that to me, She's okay with it. I've done
Speaker 3: that before it's worth, before it's happened. I'm trying to
Speaker 3: tell you that you can't even think like that. You
Speaker 3: should take that reality out of your mind, because it
Speaker 3: don't matter if you write, if you if you think
Speaker 3: you are the minute that you find out too wrong,
Speaker 3: it's too late. It's completely too late. So that's what
Speaker 3: I'm trying to say, that that's.
Speaker 2: Why there should be. But that's why there should be.
Speaker 4: And I guess this is I had a whole different
Speaker 4: thought of the day, but I'm gonna have to wait
Speaker 4: to discuss that on the next show. But I guess
Speaker 4: that is my thought of the day.
Speaker 2: Where is Mike Tyson?
Speaker 4: Because we need to go find Mike Tyson and bring
Speaker 4: him back to the forefront so he can help you
Speaker 4: understand what happened to him when he thought or decided that,
Speaker 4: you know, it was cool because he read the room
Speaker 4: and he read wrong, okay exactly, and the and and
Speaker 4: and and and and there's a you know, that might
Speaker 4: not be the right comparison, only because rob and given
Speaker 4: story is that he was also brutally violent, right, So
Speaker 4: that's a different thing. But the conversation in our community
Speaker 4: about going to a man's room in the middle of
Speaker 4: the night was very, very very prevalent, and at the
Speaker 4: forefront that what do you expect when you go to
Speaker 4: a man's room in the middle of the night, or
Speaker 4: do you think you get in tea and crumpets?
Speaker 2: Is that what you think?
Speaker 4: Because that is not what's happening, and those conversations do happen.
Speaker 4: My thing is in terms of my thought of the day,
Speaker 4: and I think, lean, you're in that area in that ballpark,
Speaker 4: but you've got to be intentional about how you have
Speaker 4: The conversation is why do we not learn from the
Speaker 4: history of people who have been through this? Even currently
Speaker 4: you currently have Cuba Gooding paying people money.
Speaker 2: For some similar shit. The video that.
Speaker 4: Shows him groping and kissing the woman in the restaurant
Speaker 4: got his ass in big trouble. And this is Cuba
Speaker 4: Good and Junior, who we you know, we love, and now.
Speaker 2: His ass is in trouble. His image has.
Speaker 4: Been ruined because of the same things, grabbing on women
Speaker 4: and making a decision.
Speaker 2: About how far he can take it right.
Speaker 4: I know married people, men and women that the rules
Speaker 4: in their house is go out, have a good time, flirt,
Speaker 4: du but don't go too far. So you don't know
Speaker 4: what people's situation is.
Speaker 2: So they might be.
Speaker 4: Out given the freak freak freak energy because that's the
Speaker 4: extent of what they can do. But they're not trying
Speaker 4: to let you put your hand, mouth, or anything else
Speaker 4: on them. And I don't understand why we do not
Speaker 4: learn from the things that have had been all around us.
Speaker 4: We see Trey songs, yet another person that figures, hey,
Speaker 4: these were or at least this is what they say.
Speaker 2: It's all alleged.
Speaker 4: Everything we're saying here is alleged because we don't know
Speaker 4: because we weren't there. However, there are a number of
Speaker 4: women who have come forward to say they went out,
Speaker 4: they hung out with him, and then they were violated
Speaker 4: in one way, shape or form, and it is because
Speaker 4: to your point, one, there was a time when it
Speaker 4: was acceptable that if you was hanging out with a man,
Speaker 4: it was just understood that you were supposed to give
Speaker 4: something up.
Speaker 2: That's one and two. The other I guess the other
Speaker 2: side of the coin.
Speaker 4: Is this idea that when women are throwing themselves at
Speaker 4: you that while so you here because I.
Speaker 2: Came to do what we came to do. Like I
Speaker 2: didn't come.
Speaker 4: I got a girl at home, I got kids, I
Speaker 4: got this, or I have a career.
Speaker 2: I'm busy.
Speaker 4: I'm only in this city for one night. So if
Speaker 4: you show up here, then you know what's popping and
Speaker 4: it's not.
Speaker 2: That is not the key. So I'm trying to.
Speaker 3: Pick it right.
Speaker 4: And I'm glad you're doing the work. I'm glad you
Speaker 4: should do y'all should do the work, but be careful.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying don't have the conversation because it is important.
Speaker 2: It's like going out and saying.
Speaker 4: I know that America is fucked up, and it's hard,
Speaker 4: and it's difficult to find the type of work that
Speaker 4: you want, and you know there's.
Speaker 2: Challenges to you know, succeeding.
Speaker 4: You can't necessarily get a bank loan housing is fucked up.
Speaker 4: Education is fucked them. You got kids, you're telling them listen,
Speaker 4: I already know your teaching and shit, the school is
Speaker 4: messed up, the books ain't right, but you still got
Speaker 4: to go there and do the right thing. So I
Speaker 4: get the point of saying, this young lady presents herself
Speaker 4: a certain way, and a lot of young ladies do right,
Speaker 4: and that needs to be acknowledged. But I'm just saying
Speaker 4: that we have to be very careful in threading the
Speaker 4: needle of giving information so that people can understand and
Speaker 4: all or and or or or pretty much labeling and
Speaker 4: criminalizing that's not the right term. While we're speaking, we're
Speaker 4: also criminalizing women or labeling women. I don't know that's
Speaker 4: the wrong word, but y'all know what the heck I'm
Speaker 4: trying to say, we just have to be careful.
Speaker 2: That's my only point.
Speaker 3: I get it. But my thing is this, I have
Speaker 3: to relate messages to men the way that men receive things.
Speaker 1: That yeah, and that's just the bot just broke down.
Speaker 4: How you you might go to a man that just
Speaker 4: came home from prison, and you're going to say to him, listen,
Speaker 4: the whole country I get it. It's all messed up.
Speaker 4: You was locked up, this happened, you lost time, this
Speaker 4: and that, you come back. Your girls is not available,
Speaker 4: she has slept with your home boy, Your mama's this,
Speaker 4: this and that and the third.
Speaker 2: All the status you used to have you ain't got
Speaker 2: no more. Blah blah blah blah. I get it.
Speaker 4: You gotta break down the facts so people can feel
Speaker 4: that you understand where they're coming from.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 2: But I still am.
Speaker 4: Saying we also, we but we have to be careful
Speaker 4: that we break down the fact so much that the
Speaker 4: person uses it as an excuse.
Speaker 2: That's my point that.
Speaker 3: But the thing is, it's to realcity. It's like this right,
Speaker 3: people want you to do it there with It's like
Speaker 3: somebody when I'm talking to dudes, I'm like, yo, look,
Speaker 3: can't be in the streets. The police gonna grab you.
Speaker 3: You're gonna lose this and that, this and that, and
Speaker 3: dude like, yo, why not just not commit crime?
Speaker 1: Why not?
Speaker 3: Because it's just not the right thing to do. And
Speaker 3: I'm like, that's not a conversation I'm having. You never
Speaker 3: been you don't you You've never been in a position
Speaker 3: where you actually had to do prime. Maybe it wasn't
Speaker 3: the right thing for you to do. It just wasn't
Speaker 3: this right. But you don't understand where we come from
Speaker 3: in our community. It's not about right. It's about what
Speaker 3: we see as the right thing to do at that
Speaker 3: time when we the desperation and all this shit you do.
Speaker 1: So when you come from this moral.
Speaker 3: High ground that I should just be telling kids don't
Speaker 3: commit crime because it's the wrong thing to do. That
Speaker 3: conversation don't work with us. You could come to my
Speaker 3: page and say, oh, you're justifying the crime. You're saying
Speaker 3: as long as you can get away. No, I'm not
Speaker 3: saying that. I'm saying you're not going to get away.
Speaker 3: That's the reality what I'm saying. I'm saying you're not
Speaker 3: gonna get away. And I understand why you actually want
Speaker 3: to do the crime, Understand that you feel that it's
Speaker 3: a need. I understand that it's goldified, and understand all
Speaker 3: those things because I've been through that exact, exact same thing.
Speaker 3: But so if you're looking to come on this page
Speaker 3: and have the person that is the Christian or the
Speaker 3: high mighty person that's saying crime is just wrong, and
Speaker 3: that's the reason why you shouldn't do it. I'm not
Speaker 3: the person that's gonna say that. So if whoever doesn't
Speaker 3: like the fact that I'm gonna tell you not to
Speaker 3: commit crime because I don't want you to go to
Speaker 3: and I don't want you to get caught and lose
Speaker 3: your family, then I don't know what to tell you,
Speaker 3: because that's the only way I know how to deliver it,
Speaker 3: because that's the only way I.
Speaker 1: Would receive it.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't receive it another the way that the goodie
Speaker 3: two shoes person once to said, it's not gonna work
Speaker 3: for me, but you.
Speaker 2: But I think it's so. I agree, I agree, I
Speaker 2: actually agree.
Speaker 4: I just have to continue to reinforce the fact that
Speaker 4: there still should be Some shit is just wrong, period,
Speaker 4: right like it's just wrong, period. There's no equivocation, there's
Speaker 4: no it's wrong. So if if if somebody comes to you,
Speaker 4: if if a, if a, if a, if a child
Speaker 4: you know, spits on it in their mother's face, I
Speaker 4: don't give.
Speaker 2: I really don't care to hear the story about what happened.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter.
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter. All of the things d D D
Speaker 4: d D. I've heard you say to other young people.
Speaker 4: My mother had all of these issues, we went through
Speaker 4: mad shit, and guess what, I still respect to It
Speaker 4: doesn't matter. I don't And you was never gonna tolerate
Speaker 4: your brothers jumping in her face, cust the house, slap her, this, that,
Speaker 4: and the third. It just can't happen and there's no
Speaker 4: excuse for it.
Speaker 2: So that's what I think people are trying to convey.
Speaker 4: But I still understand your point is that this is
Speaker 4: not a zero sum conversation because there are elements to
Speaker 4: it that have to be explored in order for people
Speaker 4: to understand the traps that the trap is gonna be.
Speaker 4: They gonna show up looking like it's they ready, they pop,
Speaker 4: it's popping, They looking like they hot on the stick.
Speaker 4: But if they have not confirmed to you that they
Speaker 4: want you to touch them, you should not.
Speaker 2: So I get it. But I'm just giving you.
Speaker 4: That other perspective so that you can use that also
Speaker 4: and be careful about the line. Because you can't slap
Speaker 4: a spit in your mother's face, no matter if she
Speaker 4: was on drugs selling kouchi, you caught her in the
Speaker 4: house snorting, don't it don't matter.
Speaker 2: No, you can't hit your mother or slap your mother
Speaker 2: or do whatever.
Speaker 4: So just like a person can't come, a person can't come,
Speaker 4: A person can't come and tell you they raised the
Speaker 4: child because they just they just had they just had
Speaker 4: a thing.
Speaker 2: Nah, you're not trying to hear that. You don't care
Speaker 2: what the reason is.
Speaker 4: Period, And you're not even going to entertain if somebody
Speaker 4: come tell you they hurt your sons. You don't care
Speaker 4: what happened. So that so that's only thing I'm saying.
Speaker 4: That's the only thing I'm saying is that, and I'm
Speaker 4: not I'm not saying it because you should change your messaging.
Speaker 4: I'm saying it because each one of us walks through
Speaker 4: life with biases based upon our own experience, and at times,
Speaker 4: even when we're doing a good thing, those biases and
Speaker 4: those feelings and those little undertones of misogyny of of
Speaker 4: us as women hating black men, you know.
Speaker 2: As a black woman or as a woman.
Speaker 4: I find myself getting into conversation sometimes and there I
Speaker 4: go with the you know, niggas ain't shit theory, and
Speaker 4: that ain't cool, you know what I'm saying, But it's
Speaker 4: based upon my experience. And why am I telling a
Speaker 4: young woman who is coming to me excited about a guy,
Speaker 4: and I'm.
Speaker 2: Over here like, that's not you know, I gotta be careful.
Speaker 4: It doesn't mean that I shouldn't give us some jewels,
Speaker 4: but I gotta be careful not to also bring to
Speaker 4: it my own levels of insecurity that I'm deflecting upon her.
Speaker 1: On time.
Speaker 3: That's fair, That's fair, you know. I just want to
Speaker 3: be clear, and no, I do not condole any man,
Speaker 3: you know, physically sexually harassed and abusing doing anything to
Speaker 3: any woman. You know. It brings me back to the
Speaker 3: the statement that I talked about on rape culture and
Speaker 3: how we've all contributed to it, you know, that actually
Speaker 3: went viral, you know, and this was pretty much one
Speaker 3: of those situations, you know. But I just I have
Speaker 3: to relay the messages to these young boys, you know,
Speaker 3: to the men who are coming into who dealing with
Speaker 3: their hormone, to deal with all of this culture, who
Speaker 3: sees this, who are around promiscuous men and women and
Speaker 3: they're seeing shit happen. You know, don't put yourself in
Speaker 3: those predictions, you know, because the minute that it doesn't
Speaker 3: happen the way that you believe it should, or the
Speaker 3: energy that you thought was happening. It's not gonna work
Speaker 3: out for you.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna believe it at that. Let's you know, we
Speaker 2: know so much about this topic.
Speaker 4: I bet you everybody in our community got everybody, not
Speaker 4: everybody because I didn't know a lot about it, but
Speaker 4: a lot of people, a majority overwhelming. You asked them
Speaker 4: about Sukiyana and yk O Cyrus, they know all about it.
Speaker 4: We better also know what's going on with our national security,
Speaker 4: and so we are bringing a guest on right now
Speaker 4: to talk to us about you know, last week we
Speaker 4: talked about Trump, and I think Trump is a small
Speaker 4: part of a bigger issue, and we've talked about it
Speaker 4: all the time. But this situation, with the indictments and
Speaker 4: all of that is bringing to forth what VI supremacy
Speaker 4: is forming up to be, what it is shaping up
Speaker 4: to be again in this nation, and the potential for it.
Speaker 2: And so while y'all.
Speaker 4: May not want to hear it, and you might have
Speaker 4: wanted us to have somebody to come on and talk
Speaker 4: about women.
Speaker 2: And touching and rape and sex and men and.
Speaker 4: Assault and all of that, we finished shift gears and
Speaker 4: go back to the implications of our national security or
Speaker 4: the national security threat that is underlining the sort of
Speaker 4: undergirding of Trump and the documents being on the stage
Speaker 4: and in the bathroom with the chandelier and his crib.
Speaker 2: So let's bring our.
Speaker 3: Gues up on.
Speaker 4: And so in keeping with you know what we were
Speaker 4: just talking about that, you know, I know a lot
Speaker 4: of folks just don't care. They just are uninterested in
Speaker 4: hearing about a white man's troubles with the courts, right
Speaker 4: because too many of our families and too many of
Speaker 4: the people that we know, people we grew up with,
Speaker 4: they come from, you know, constant interactions with law enforcement
Speaker 4: and with the system, and they already know that despite
Speaker 4: the fact that the charges against Donald Trump are so
Speaker 4: enormous and dangerous, that it is more likely that pooky
Speaker 4: from the hood that has a little bit of weed
Speaker 4: in his pocket will get more time and will experience
Speaker 4: more harshness from the system. So they just don't really
Speaker 4: really care. They're tired of it, tired of hearing about Trump.
Speaker 4: But this is our country that we live in, and
Speaker 4: what we know is that in this particular moment, there's
Speaker 4: some real serious things happening, and our people need to
Speaker 4: be aware. You know, I would one would say that
Speaker 4: when you think about nine to eleven, there are people
Speaker 4: in that building or who were in that building who
Speaker 4: probably didn't care about what was happening with national politics
Speaker 4: at all, had no idea about some of the issues
Speaker 4: that caused the backlash that we ended up experiencing. And
Speaker 4: so we as citizens who are walking around and every
Speaker 4: day public facilities and you know, going to theme parks
Speaker 4: and all of that, we need to know that our
Speaker 4: national security has been compromised and there is a possible
Speaker 4: anything is possible at any moment. So that's why we've
Speaker 4: been covering this. And today our guest is someone that
Speaker 4: if you're not watching him on nightly news, daily news,
Speaker 4: middle of the day, he's on all the shows all
Speaker 4: the time, someone who has a great political mind but
Speaker 4: also a national security perspective is joining us today and
Speaker 4: his name is Malcolm Nance. He is a New York
Speaker 4: Times bestseller and a political and national security analyst.
Speaker 2: Thank thank you so much, Malcolm for joining us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's my pleasure to be here.
Speaker 4: So let's just first of all, before we get into
Speaker 4: we know you don't have a lot of time today,
Speaker 4: let's just talk about who you are and what you
Speaker 4: do what you have done so that people understand the
Speaker 4: brilliant brilliant Malcolm Nance.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't call myself brilliant, but I know some things.
Speaker 5: And for those of you who don't know me from MSNBC,
Speaker 5: where I was a national security analyst for the most part,
Speaker 5: I'm not a reporter. I'm certainly not a reporter. I'm
Speaker 5: not a journalist. This is the way I describe myself.
Speaker 5: I'm a spy that talks on television. So I held
Speaker 5: the top secret Special Access program security killerance for almost
Speaker 5: three decades and I have been working in the national
Speaker 5: security field for almost forty years. So the kind of
Speaker 5: documents we're talking about the things that are going on
Speaker 5: with Donald Trump, I have a first hand perspective on
Speaker 5: it because every day I handled those kinds of documents
Speaker 5: day in, day out. And now we're gonna talk. We're gonna,
Speaker 5: I guess we're gonna bring to light why people in
Speaker 5: our community should care about this matter, because it does
Speaker 5: affect us, even though you might not see it every day.
Speaker 3: So is Trumble going to jail?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 5: And that brings the question? You know that that brings
Speaker 5: the question up. Are there two systems of laws? And
Speaker 5: when you mentioned Pooky, you know, with a little bit
Speaker 5: of weed in the pocket, will probably go into an
Speaker 5: extremely harsh system where no bail will be offered, or
Speaker 5: bail that's excessively high will be offered, not released on
Speaker 5: their recognissance, not allowed to go out and talk all
Speaker 5: about the case in a high end restaurant. You know,
Speaker 5: we do have to admit there are two systems of government.
Speaker 5: Here's or of law. Here's why because in the last
Speaker 5: five years, there have been seven other people who have
Speaker 5: been captured with documents I say captured, sorry, but caught
Speaker 5: with US government top secrets in their possession, large quantities
Speaker 5: of them, and every one of them was denied bail,
Speaker 5: every one of them was remanded into custody because they
Speaker 5: assume they are foreign spies or have the ability to
Speaker 5: be far and spies and cannot be trusted anymore within
Speaker 5: the system. One person or a young woman named Reality Winner,
Speaker 5: she went to prison for five years for one piece
Speaker 5: of paper. So will Donald Trump go to prison? You
Speaker 5: look as someone who handled this information, who was entrusted
Speaker 5: with American secrets, he absolutely should go to prison, period,
Speaker 5: no question. You can't use the you know, crazy mafioso
Speaker 5: defense that he's wandering around in his bathrobe, you know,
Speaker 5: reading top secret documents at home to feel good about himself.
Speaker 5: He deliberately took these things. But let's let the laws
Speaker 5: and the and you know, the Jewish prudence system adjudicate
Speaker 5: him properly so that we know that when he gets convicted,
Speaker 5: that it was done fairly and we can avoid a
Speaker 5: civil war.
Speaker 4: So that's that's why you think that the special prosecutor
Speaker 4: took the case to Florida. That's what I keep hearing
Speaker 4: that they wanted to make sure it was in a
Speaker 4: place where you would where Donald Trump wouldn't be able
Speaker 4: to claim that it was like a sham.
Speaker 5: Basically, well, even though the documents were stolen in Washington,
Speaker 5: d C. The real mishandling removal you know, were happening
Speaker 5: in mar Laga, right box, hundreds upon hundreds of documents.
Speaker 5: Where the real offense occurred was when they requested them
Speaker 5: back for the National records, you know, as part of
Speaker 5: the National Presidential Records Act. They lied repeatedly and said
Speaker 5: we don't have any documents. Trump personally knew he had documents,
Speaker 5: and his aid Walt Naua, we're moving those specific boxes
Speaker 5: around so that's where the crime is, and then lied
Speaker 5: to the United States government repeatedly to the point where
Speaker 5: the FBI had to do an armed raid on his
Speaker 5: compound to get these documents back.
Speaker 2: What are the documents?
Speaker 4: You know, we talk about documents, documents, but tell us
Speaker 4: about some of these documents.
Speaker 5: I gotta tell you, you know, I have a substack
Speaker 5: It's Malcolm Nance dot substack dot com, and I'm about
Speaker 5: to release a very highly detailed analysis, not classified, but
Speaker 5: where I go over the titles that were released, and
Speaker 5: some of these things.
Speaker 1: Are shocking in what he took.
Speaker 5: And we're keeping around planned war plans against the government
Speaker 5: of Iran, which means the United States Armed Forces would
Speaker 5: attack Iran, invade the country with an invading army, and
Speaker 5: how specifically we would do it. Now, for everybody who's
Speaker 5: listening in the African American career or any community, and
Speaker 5: you say, well, what does this have to do with me?
Speaker 5: This has nothing to do with me. This doesn't a
Speaker 5: affect my day to day life. Everyone of you has
Speaker 5: got a relative in the armed forces at some point somewhere,
Speaker 5: whether it's a cousin and aunt, you know in mom, Hey,
Speaker 5: we're talking about sending them to die. We're talking about
Speaker 5: another situation where African Americans are disproportionately members of the
Speaker 5: armed forces. Latino Americans disproportionately members of the armed forces
Speaker 5: and amongst the most loyal. Right, we don't go around
Speaker 5: stealing documents.
Speaker 1: So these people.
Speaker 5: Would be sent into harm's way on the basis of
Speaker 5: someone who may have stolen the actual plans, sold them,
Speaker 5: gave them away, bragged them, and those the compromise of
Speaker 5: those plans could literally kill American citizens.
Speaker 1: Now what does that do to your bottom line?
Speaker 5: Raises your taxes because you have to pay for all
Speaker 5: those weapons of war, and you know, and impact your life.
Speaker 5: Remember how we discriminated against Muslim Americans, many of whom
Speaker 5: are black, for for over two decades because of the
Speaker 5: War on terrorism. First person killed after nine to eleven
Speaker 5: wasn't even a Muslim. He was a Sikh American who.
Speaker 5: Sikhs are from west northwestern India. They're not Muslims at all.
Speaker 5: They just wear head turbans as part of their culture.
Speaker 5: They're a warrior tribe. And one of them was murdered
Speaker 5: days after nine to eleven because they said, oh, we're
Speaker 5: going to go after the Arabs wasn't even an Arab.
Speaker 1: So all of these things affect all of us.
Speaker 5: Whether they close this national parks because they got to
Speaker 5: buy more airplanes, or whether they cut all the food
Speaker 5: off for your children in school like they've tried to
Speaker 5: do last year. Wanted to eliminate school breakfast, right, but
Speaker 5: they give a trillion dollar tax cut to the richest
Speaker 5: one percent of Americans. Everything is connected, and that's the
Speaker 5: thing you need to understand. Trump stealing top secret documents
Speaker 5: which he was going to sell or blackmail people with,
Speaker 5: or just sit around for his own demented you know,
Speaker 5: amusement reading compromises the safety of you and every citizen
Speaker 5: in this country.
Speaker 3: So you know what my question is is this is
Speaker 3: like mind boggling to me. If this was President Obama,
Speaker 3: the same situation was happening for as Obama, what do
Speaker 3: you think would be would have happened by now? And secondly,
Speaker 3: how do we see that allowing Trump to constantly do
Speaker 3: these things and still be able to run for president
Speaker 3: undermines what this country looks like.
Speaker 1: Why is that not obvious to everybody?
Speaker 3: Because it's no way that you can expect citizens or
Speaker 3: people who live here, or especially people who don't live
Speaker 3: here to look and see a sham like this and
Speaker 3: see that this person who's pretty much vim mafia lita
Speaker 3: running for president and in control of a country like
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to figure out, why don't these optics
Speaker 3: click in with our government.
Speaker 5: The optics to click in with the government. But there
Speaker 5: are two sides to this coin. There is a party
Speaker 5: that is trying to govern, that is trying to run things,
Speaker 5: to keep things going, to get your bridges built, that
Speaker 5: are trying to get your children fed so that they
Speaker 5: can actually understand what they're learning in school. You know,
Speaker 5: they've done studies. If a child doesn't eat breakfast, he
Speaker 5: generally will have no attention for the first three hours.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: And you know, all of these things which we fund for,
Speaker 5: as we like to say, the commonwealth, right, the things
Speaker 5: which make America great.
Speaker 1: There is another party which is no longer even a party.
Speaker 5: They are a group of vandals and they are there
Speaker 5: to government, but they have a different view. America is
Speaker 5: now splitting down from two party system to one party
Speaker 5: and a tribe. And I don't use that term glibly.
Speaker 5: I mean the Republican Party. What was the Republican Party
Speaker 5: has now turned into a tribe, and it is the
Speaker 5: tribe of the white male cultist, and they view Donald
Speaker 5: Trump as the spiritual and ideological leader of their tribe.
Speaker 5: He's like Kim Jones right for you know, down in Guyana.
Speaker 5: He's constantly telling them that people are coming to get them.
Speaker 5: You've got to be ready to fight, You've got to
Speaker 5: be ready to protect me. You've got to give me
Speaker 5: all your money. These people have turned Donald Trump not
Speaker 5: as a president, he is an avatar for white rule
Speaker 5: in America. He has returned since for the first time
Speaker 5: really seriously, since the nineteen thirties white supremacy to pinnacle
Speaker 5: of the presidency.
Speaker 1: Of the United States.
Speaker 5: Woodrow Wilson, he dabbled in that had clan members, you know,
Speaker 5: come to the White House, and back in the nineteen
Speaker 5: twenties and thirties, you couldn't be in some parts of
Speaker 5: government in the South unless you were a publicly recognized
Speaker 5: Glu Glux clan member. We are now shipping back to
Speaker 5: that at a time where we should be, you know,
Speaker 5: teaching our kids common decency. One group of people, this tribe,
Speaker 5: are teaching people hatred against all others except for the
Speaker 5: white family. Right is the is the basis of that.
Speaker 5: Now you might be thinking, Malcolm, you're African American. This
Speaker 5: is why you're talking like that, like you're Huey Newton
Speaker 5: or you know, a member of the Black Panthers. I
Speaker 5: view this from an intelligence community perspective. If you had
Speaker 5: sent me to Rowanda twenty five years ago and said, hey,
Speaker 5: one of the parties is not ruling the government. It
Speaker 5: ordered a million machetes from China and are now extorting
Speaker 5: them to mass murder all their neighbors, we would have laughed.
Speaker 5: I mean, we didn't laugh. I was there at the time,
Speaker 5: not in Rwanda, but I was doing that mission.
Speaker 1: And that's what happened.
Speaker 5: One group turned into a tribe, right, the huthis, the Hutu,
Speaker 5: and they decided to mass murder every Putsi in their country,
Speaker 5: and they almost did. They got almost nine hundred thousand
Speaker 5: of them, where neighbors cut off the head of the
Speaker 5: neighbor with machetes that were being bought by the government.
Speaker 5: That's an extreme view. I'm trying to get you to
Speaker 5: understand that modern, vibrant, seemingly civilized people and turned into
Speaker 5: genocidal mass murderers. And it happened in the nineteen thirties
Speaker 5: in Nazi Germany. We are seeing what was the Republican
Speaker 5: Party actually become a fascist party where they believe in
Speaker 5: a dictator. And one woman said this famously two years ago,
Speaker 5: well I didn't think that I would ever want a
Speaker 5: dictator to lead America. But if we have to have one,
Speaker 5: it should be Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: That is what you're seeing.
Speaker 4: I gotta jump in here on that, because this is powerful.
Speaker 4: When you say we could or seemingly civilized people could
Speaker 4: turn into mass murderers, Let's be clear, they already did that,
Speaker 4: so right, So the history of our people, the history
Speaker 4: of Africans here on this soil, is.
Speaker 2: Being mass murdered. That's one.
Speaker 4: And now we see it happening in front of our eyes,
Speaker 4: from George Zimmermann and trayvon Martin all the way to
Speaker 4: aj Owens and the neighbor who shot and killed her
Speaker 4: just a few weeks ago, and even Jordan Neely who
Speaker 4: choked the I mean Daniel who choked.
Speaker 2: Jordan Neely to death.
Speaker 4: We are seeing an uptick in the type of violence
Speaker 4: against our people.
Speaker 5: What you're really seeing now, it's portraying itself in these
Speaker 5: individual cases of violence, But what's the underlying motivation for
Speaker 5: these attacks? Because lynchions have always occurred in the United States. Right,
Speaker 5: what you're seeing is a very powerful push by essentially
Speaker 5: white men to say that laws are in their hands
Speaker 5: only and that they with a wink in or up,
Speaker 5: they think law enforcements are on their side, and they
Speaker 5: get really upset when things like the captin January sixth
Speaker 5: riots happen in law enforcement pushes back and they arrest
Speaker 5: a thousand of them and send a thousand of prisons.
Speaker 5: They don't understand that and short circuits their system. My
Speaker 5: point about the story of Rwanda as an example was
Speaker 5: I'm not just using the United States as a model.
Speaker 1: This is human nature.
Speaker 5: And what you're finally seeing in the United States is
Speaker 5: when we do that two steps forward, one step back thing,
Speaker 5: this is now one step forward, seven steps back. And
Speaker 5: these people are consciously I wrote a whole book about it.
Speaker 5: They want to kill Americans.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: The they is your gigvers, the neighbors who feel that
Speaker 5: Donald Trump has personally empowered them to be judge, jury,
Speaker 5: and executioner. And as one person said, this is white
Speaker 5: America again, right wrong. I spent forty years defending this nation.
Speaker 5: My family spent over one hundred and fifty continuous years
Speaker 5: defending this nation, right or wrong, so that we could
Speaker 5: do that one step forward, you know, two steps forward,
Speaker 5: one step back tango that we do.
Speaker 1: But it's progress. That's not what's happening anymore.
Speaker 5: You are watching a body who wants to bring the
Speaker 5: nation back to where one ethnic group will control all others.
Speaker 1: They will rule over everyone.
Speaker 5: Thirty five percent of this country, now let's call it
Speaker 5: forty thinks that they are going to ignore the other
Speaker 5: sixty percent and essentially bring them back to a position
Speaker 5: of servitude.
Speaker 2: So I wish with the President Obama piece that.
Speaker 1: You ask, oh jeez, you don't want to hear about that.
Speaker 5: You know, that funny thing about President Obama, he probably
Speaker 5: would have been impeached because back in that period the
Speaker 5: Democrats who are now, I haven't quite figured out why
Speaker 5: they keep thinking that being fair and dealing, you know,
Speaker 5: on a level playing field with the Republicans is going
Speaker 5: to get them their respect.
Speaker 1: There's no respect here.
Speaker 5: I'm not joking when I you know, when I wrote
Speaker 5: that book they want to kill Americans, it was you know,
Speaker 5: they wanted me to have a nicer tide, And I
Speaker 5: was like, you don't seem to understand that they are
Speaker 5: the people who you live near, who are armed, and
Speaker 5: if they could have killed Barack Obama, they would, And
Speaker 5: you never know, there's always plots going on out there.
Speaker 5: But if Obama had done the same thing, had lost
Speaker 5: his mind right and had decided to keep those documents,
Speaker 5: Democrats would have impeached him.
Speaker 1: Along with one hundred percent of the Republicans. But he didn't.
Speaker 1: They didn't do anything. He's the most The Obama administration
Speaker 1: was the.
Speaker 5: Single most honest and ethical administration in the history of
Speaker 5: the United States. I think they got one guy on
Speaker 5: lying to his girlfriend, right, I think the Transport secretary,
Speaker 5: and that's it. I don't even think they got a conviction.
Speaker 5: So we're talking in administration or an ex administration that
Speaker 5: literally tried to overthrow the government of the United States,
Speaker 5: stealing documents which belonged to America's national defense and then saying, well, essentially,
Speaker 5: we're white guys, it's okay, we can get away with it.
Speaker 5: And everyone in the Trump tribe goes, yeah, he's exempt,
Speaker 5: we don't care if he does it, but Democrat does it.
Speaker 1: We want to hang them.
Speaker 5: If Mike Bence doesn't overthrow the government, we literally want
Speaker 5: to hang him. So what is the motivating factor? White
Speaker 5: men with guns and those threats about the Second Amendment?
Speaker 5: That is the motivating factor behind a lot of the
Speaker 5: behaviors of the Republican But those people backing their politicians
Speaker 5: are a permission slip for their politicians to finally behave
Speaker 5: and act and say the exact same terrible things their
Speaker 5: constituency wants to hear them say. They want them in
Speaker 5: the face of black people. They want them to threaten
Speaker 5: people with guns, and if they can have a civil war,
Speaker 5: I wholeheartedly believe that they would have it.
Speaker 3: So what should we be doing right now? As good
Speaker 3: citizen sends people of good moral conduct, like, what should
Speaker 3: we all be doing at this moment?
Speaker 1: Which is we should be doing what we did in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen? All right? I have people ask me all
Speaker 1: the time, Malcolm, should I buy a gun? Right?
Speaker 5: Nope, absolutely not, especially not a handgun. Handguns are solely
Speaker 5: in your house to kill your children, right, that's what
Speaker 5: happens with handguns. You should be mobilizing your friends, your family,
Speaker 5: everybody with the You see the passion that I have
Speaker 5: is in passion.
Speaker 1: It's warning.
Speaker 5: I am warning you that you have to get out
Speaker 5: there and use the one system that's in place that
Speaker 5: can neutralize them, and that is you have to mobilize
Speaker 5: to vote, not just in the primaries, every time there's
Speaker 5: a vote for dogcatcher school boards.
Speaker 1: Go take back these school boards.
Speaker 5: They organize thousands of these crazy muggs right to who
Speaker 5: were QAnon anti vaxxers, you know, believing Hillary Clinton was
Speaker 5: killing children for their blood. Their moms for Liberty was
Speaker 5: their name. They went to all these school board meetings
Speaker 5: and started attacking the basic people on there to the
Speaker 5: point where the people quit and they elected themselves on
Speaker 5: these boards. Take back your school boards, take back your education,
Speaker 5: and start I'm sorry, you're going to have to start
Speaker 5: getting in the faces of people who would threaten you
Speaker 5: and your families, because what they want is for us
Speaker 5: to have a calm, quiet, common decent debate. What they
Speaker 5: cannot tolerate is pushback and pushback, pushback, and just be
Speaker 5: a matter of you going to your school. We're re
Speaker 5: eating and saying you know what we call on the
Speaker 5: intelligence community meta narrative, reframing the big picture. They're coming
Speaker 5: out there saying you are all pedophiles and child groomers, right,
Speaker 5: and nobody pushes back, or they sit there and they
Speaker 5: listen to them. Reframing should be I'm sorry, you're crazy.
Speaker 5: You're crazy. Don't come in here and talk like that.
Speaker 5: Don't disgrace ourselves. Get out right, decent people are talking. See,
Speaker 5: they rely on you not to do that, and that's
Speaker 5: why they are expanding. My problem is as an intelligence professional,
Speaker 5: it will expand to the point where they feel that
Speaker 5: your life is forfeit, and they may bring a gun
Speaker 5: and just decide I will shoot my way to leadership.
Speaker 5: I don't know, but we have had many, many, many
Speaker 5: of those threats manifest themselves. And the only really since
Speaker 5: Donald Trump came down the Golden elevator escalator and announced
Speaker 5: for presidency and it gave them a permission slip to
Speaker 5: feel that they own America.
Speaker 4: They're still trying to put their plan in motion and
Speaker 4: so many of us are just so disconnected and just
Speaker 4: discuss that we're not necessarily paying attention. And I do
Speaker 4: think that there are there's possible retaliation with all of this.
Speaker 4: I mean, when you start talking about people who may
Speaker 4: be worried about what's in those documents about you know,
Speaker 4: like you said, the Iran piece, what happens when they decide, oh,
Speaker 4: you're planning on a war against us?
Speaker 2: Huh, good to know.
Speaker 4: Maybe we'll do something to Americans Like this is this
Speaker 4: is very, very serious, and I hope that our listeners
Speaker 4: understand that it's not.
Speaker 2: This is not a TV.
Speaker 4: Show, while there are many that help us to kind of,
Speaker 4: you know, get a glimpse of what could happen, because
Speaker 4: I was going to bring up, what's the show I
Speaker 4: love so much?
Speaker 2: Oh God, what's the women? My son?
Speaker 4: You remember when I was so crazy about this show
Speaker 4: can Maids Tale?
Speaker 1: That's a documentary. Now that's not a TV exactly.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's all right there. But this is our
Speaker 2: real like we're living this.
Speaker 4: This is happening in our history and well in this moment,
Speaker 4: which will be history later, but it's the current.
Speaker 2: And so I just I just want to appreciate you for.
Speaker 4: First of all, being bold enough to say what you
Speaker 4: what you are saying, and I think the point that
Speaker 4: you made that will resonate the most with street politicians.
Speaker 4: Listeners will be around how democrats somehow think that they
Speaker 4: have to be friends and nice and kind to people
Speaker 4: who are obstructionists, like we're now we're dealing with people
Speaker 4: who are crazy to your point exactly, and we're talking
Speaker 4: about well, you know, hey John, there's no hey, John
Speaker 4: is trying to kill us, right.
Speaker 5: And another thing is that we have our own street
Speaker 5: level people who thwart and and try to influence our mindset.
Speaker 5: My own barbershop when I was living in Philadelphia, these
Speaker 5: guys are like, well, Trump.
Speaker 1: Says, what do we got to lose? And I literally
Speaker 1: would stop them, and there's like ten people in there.
Speaker 1: I go, your life.
Speaker 5: He was telling company to beat you and kill you.
Speaker 5: Do you think that, oh he's got money, he's married
Speaker 5: to a fashion model. That is not the reality of
Speaker 5: your world. You're not a millionaire who's down on your luck.
Speaker 5: It is just five haircuts away from getting a billion dollars.
Speaker 5: You're not going to be a rich rapper. You're not
Speaker 5: going to be a person who is above the law.
Speaker 5: All right, Like these people, the only thing you were
Speaker 5: ever given in the legacy of this nation is your vote,
Speaker 5: and that is your voice. And we have people. I
Speaker 5: was in Harlem recently and we I had these guys
Speaker 5: out on the street. There's no difference between Democrats and Republicans.
Speaker 5: Don't vote for It's like one party wants to see
Speaker 5: you dead and the other and one party's taking care
Speaker 5: of you. But that crazy party, what they want is
Speaker 5: for you to not vote and vote. Not voting is
Speaker 5: voting for Donald Trump and the people who would arm
Speaker 5: cops with the ability. And I work for law enforcement,
Speaker 5: I train law enforcement officers. I went through SWAT Officers
Speaker 5: School with a whole slew of cops. Most cops are
Speaker 5: awesome and they just want to keep the peace. But
Speaker 5: you know what, when you give them the mindset that
Speaker 5: they are above the law themselves, and it comes from
Speaker 5: the President of the United States, then you can't say
Speaker 5: that both parties are the same. You vote for one
Speaker 5: or you vote for the other by not voting.
Speaker 4: Wow, Well, we still think that there is more and
Speaker 4: I'm sure you agree that the Biden administration can doum
Speaker 4: You know, we certainly think that, and we don't give
Speaker 4: them a pass.
Speaker 2: Although we understand what obstruction looks like.
Speaker 4: And I think, you know, our people are so frustrated,
Speaker 4: which they should be, that they no longer want to
Speaker 4: hear well the you know, the Republicans and this and
Speaker 4: that it's like, hey, listen, we're.
Speaker 2: Tired of all of the excuses at this point.
Speaker 5: Sometime I would like to have We'll have a show,
Speaker 5: and I would like to hear.
Speaker 1: What exactly are is that they're frustrated with.
Speaker 5: The lowest unemployment in American history. Some people actually believe
Speaker 5: the lie that Donald Trump gave had higher black unemployment
Speaker 5: or lower black unemployment than Barack Obama. Thirteen percent unemployment
Speaker 5: is not the lowest. We're three now, this is the second,
Speaker 5: going on the second greatest economy in US history.
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton gave us the greatest economy in US?
Speaker 4: So how do we but how do we hear that?
Speaker 4: And you gotta go, I want to keep to that
Speaker 4: so you can come back again. How do people hear
Speaker 4: that when they are also struggling financially? I have more
Speaker 4: people who are out of work and you don't, and
Speaker 4: groceries are high.
Speaker 2: Inflation is clearly literally killing people.
Speaker 4: How do you hear that this is the greatest economy
Speaker 4: of whatever time period you said?
Speaker 5: Inflation is going down to almost the exact same level
Speaker 5: it was a year before. There was a big flash
Speaker 5: in the pan last summer, all right, and it wasn't
Speaker 5: just the United States. It was all over the world,
Speaker 5: all over the world. Inflation is not something that just
Speaker 5: happens to you. Okay, we're at an unemployment rate to
Speaker 5: where if you want a job, you can go get
Speaker 5: a job, but you may have to look for that
Speaker 5: job or accept a job.
Speaker 1: That you may have to be retrained on.
Speaker 5: You know, the economy in the world is not coming
Speaker 5: to you.
Speaker 1: You have to go to it.
Speaker 5: I spent twenty years in uniform and twenty more years
Speaker 5: working for the government to ensure that the people of
Speaker 5: the United States have the one word that America is
Speaker 5: built on, and it ain't hope. It's opportunity. And you
Speaker 5: have to take the opportunities. You don't got a job,
Speaker 5: join the Armed Forces of the United States. We've got
Speaker 5: lots of work, all right. I don't I agree with that.
Speaker 5: You don't want to do that, Go to the number
Speaker 5: one place that even made a movie about it, the
Speaker 5: Post Office. They're not even a US government agency, and
Speaker 5: you can always have a career there. There is always
Speaker 5: something to do. Amtrak's hiring if you guys want to
Speaker 5: be a conductor. I saw a black educt the other day.
Speaker 1: I'm so proud of her.
Speaker 5: I mean, there's something to do out there, but if
Speaker 5: you expect the fall off out of the sky. Look,
Speaker 5: you're not Donald Trump, Okay, your daddy is not going
Speaker 5: to hand you two hundred and thirty million dollars.
Speaker 1: And if you can, you probably ain't black.
Speaker 3: And that's the reality. I just want to say this.
Speaker 3: I definitely agree with that. You know, I have friends
Speaker 3: who've been incocerated who've come home and found jobs. Who
Speaker 3: works for MTA, who worked for post Office? Who has
Speaker 3: an Amazon? Like, if you want a job, there are
Speaker 3: jobs for you.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 5: The biggest thing. Go start a business. This is the
Speaker 5: time you want to start a business. Open a cafe.
Speaker 5: When I was in Ukraine, they had these little mini
Speaker 5: cars that were like pickup trucks and then.
Speaker 1: The back was their coffee shop.
Speaker 5: You can be you could have You could be a
Speaker 5: multi time convicted felon and make coffee for five cents
Speaker 5: a cup.
Speaker 1: And sell it for four dollars a cup.
Speaker 5: All right, I'm a big coffee hound, so I'm pushing
Speaker 5: I'm pushing mobile cafes. But make your own business. There
Speaker 5: is always something to be sold out there that is
Speaker 5: not drugs, right. There are things that can be done,
Speaker 5: but you know what it involves, initiative and that you
Speaker 5: really want to do it, you want to work hard
Speaker 5: to help your family.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, I appreciate you.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think we could stay here all day
Speaker 4: and talk about that, and you know and kind of
Speaker 4: look at it, and I know that you are not
Speaker 4: ignoring all of the issues that plague our communities, but
Speaker 4: it is, it is. There are opportunities. However, people definitely
Speaker 4: feel very hopeless. And I'm just saying. The point I'm
Speaker 4: making is that even with what you are saying, yet
Speaker 4: people do not feel it in this moment and it
Speaker 4: is going to translate into our politics and how people
Speaker 4: show up and how they don't. And so even you know,
Speaker 4: with everything that you said being true, when folks just
Speaker 4: don't see or feel it, they are not going to
Speaker 4: react as they should to protect and to defend a
Speaker 4: country that they don't feel is showing up for them.
Speaker 4: So that's a challenge that we deal with. And trust me,
Speaker 4: we know because we go out, we knock on doors.
Speaker 4: That's what we do. We go into the low propensity communities,
Speaker 4: which we believe are high value and high potential communities
Speaker 4: as our system indus, our source says.
Speaker 2: And that's what we do.
Speaker 4: We try to get people to understand why it is
Speaker 4: important for them to show up, and it is not
Speaker 4: an easy conversation to have, what you know, Welcome man,
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for joining the street politicians.
Speaker 1: And thank you for bringing me on here to help
Speaker 1: you to help people understand what's happening.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Do you appreciate you? Malcolm? We got to have you again. Man,
Speaker 1: all right, no problem, all.
Speaker 2: Right, it's handmade sound like it really literally it is happening.
Speaker 4: It's crazy because no one was saying the media other
Speaker 4: day that the Jetsons was like, you know, if you
Speaker 4: watch the Jetsons, you see so much of the technology
Speaker 4: and like the way the world is going, like the
Speaker 4: Jetsons is still ahead of us in terms of what
Speaker 4: they the creators and what they knew about the world
Speaker 4: or the world that they dreamed up and put on
Speaker 4: the screen. And now we are moving quickly towards a
Speaker 4: Jetson style or a jets in reality. And when I
Speaker 4: think about Handmade's tale that is it's the same thing
Speaker 4: to me because basically we are looking at a show which,
Speaker 4: as Malcolm said, a documentary that pretty much shows how
Speaker 4: white men got their white women wives to agree with
Speaker 4: them that they needed to have sole power, sole power,
Speaker 4: and the white women helped them to gain that power
Speaker 4: a few of them, which is the Moms for Liberty,
Speaker 4: these groups that include women who are extremists and are
Speaker 4: supportive of their racist husbands and their husbands who want
Speaker 4: to be white supremacists and or their leader, their cult leader,
Speaker 4: and they supported the white men. The white men took control,
Speaker 4: and then the white women in many ways became enslaved also, right,
Speaker 4: So everything that they think that they're doing to others
Speaker 4: because they love to other people Black Latino, know this
Speaker 4: your Mexican or whatever, you're gay, they want to other
Speaker 4: people and they always, as white women, end up in
Speaker 4: the same exact situation.
Speaker 1: For the most part.
Speaker 4: Maybe they've got a little more privileged I eat handmade sale,
Speaker 4: they had a little more privilege then the masses, but
Speaker 4: they end up with the same situation. And guess who
Speaker 4: they go to every time to help fight their way
Speaker 4: out of their own oppression. Out of the fact that
Speaker 4: they make less money than their white husbands, out of
Speaker 4: the fact that they now don't have the right to choose,
Speaker 4: out of the fact that they are. They feel oppressed
Speaker 4: in their homes, they don't have a voice, their issues
Speaker 4: are not being dealt with. Who you think they go to.
Speaker 4: They go to black women and ask us to fight
Speaker 4: alongside them, to help them to right the wrongs of
Speaker 4: the that that they have helped create historically.
Speaker 3: That's what white women have done. They've always been and
Speaker 3: got black women the same black women that they leave,
Speaker 3: you know, they leave after they get their rights, they
Speaker 3: forget that the black women still need rights, and they
Speaker 3: leave them all the time, you know. And it's pretty
Speaker 3: much the same philosophy that we talk about with the
Speaker 3: Democrats and Republicans. Right. The Democrats wanted the things politically correct, right,
Speaker 3: they want to do it correctly. They want to coom
Speaker 3: by y'all. And black women have a nature. We're not
Speaker 3: evil people, and that's what the problem is.
Speaker 1: Right. We're fighting a fight that with.
Speaker 3: People who don't have any soul. Damn man, These people
Speaker 3: that you're fighting against, they don't have any moral fiber.
Speaker 3: So we deal with morality, right, and we're fighting against
Speaker 3: people who don't do that. And we have to get
Speaker 3: we have to get our minds trained to understand that
Speaker 3: the enemy that we're fighting against is devious. They'll do anything,
Speaker 3: they will say anything, they will do anything they can
Speaker 3: to win, and we don't. We want to play fair,
Speaker 3: and it's not gonna work that way, you know. So
Speaker 3: I just I hope we start getting that. I hope
Speaker 3: the good, good people start understanding that good you know,
Speaker 3: like peaceful doesn't mean passive. And I said that in
Speaker 3: one of my rounds. You don't, We don't. We're not
Speaker 3: supposed to sit there and die with no resistance. That's
Speaker 3: not what's supposed to happen, you know. So hopefully we've
Speaker 3: got that. History has taught us, you know that. It's
Speaker 3: crazy how the media makes you believe that we are
Speaker 3: the most violent people in history. We've never been violent
Speaker 3: to anyone but ourselves in situations we're Violence is nurtured.
Speaker 3: Poverty is violence. When you look at when you look
Speaker 3: at any group of people that you put in the
Speaker 3: conditions that our people are in, violence has always been,
Speaker 3: you know, the response to those situations. So, you know,
Speaker 3: and they understand that if they change the conditions, that
Speaker 3: people's gonna change the conditions of our people. So that's
Speaker 3: I think that's something that we just have to focus on.
Speaker 3: And be very aware of who we didn't with. But
Speaker 3: in other news which brings me to my I don't
Speaker 3: get it. I seen that little Boozy where was arrested
Speaker 3: on federal charges. They said he went to court for
Speaker 3: his guncase, and then as soon as his gun charge
Speaker 3: got dismissed, the FEDS was outside waiting for him for
Speaker 3: some other legal troubles. And I said, wow, and it
Speaker 3: just it's it just started the dawn on me, right Like,
Speaker 3: I actually like Boozy. Boozy is one of the He's
Speaker 3: an honest individuals. I don't agree with everything he says,
Speaker 3: you know, but I respect the fact that he's man
Speaker 3: enough to speak his mind and not be swayed or anything.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't agree with everything any man says, but I
Speaker 3: respect that he is honest and he's he's unwavering in
Speaker 3: what he feels. He's not gonna let you change.
Speaker 1: His view on life.
Speaker 3: He's gonna live and die or whatever it is that
Speaker 3: he stands on. And that's that's to me, that's manhood.
Speaker 3: So I respect Bouzy in that regard. But what it
Speaker 3: brought me to is something, a new thing that I'm
Speaker 3: starting to see that I don't get a lot of
Speaker 3: these hip hop artists, rappers, you know, just people period.
Speaker 3: People are so public. They're doing a million interviews, they're
Speaker 3: on Instagram, they're on Twitter, they're doing these things.
Speaker 1: And.
Speaker 3: They are attached to criminal activity, right, And when I'm from,
Speaker 3: because I'm this way, I don't get where the school
Speaker 3: I came from is that when you were doing crime,
Speaker 3: when you were attached to anything that was illegal, you
Speaker 3: did not want to be seen. You were the quiet person.
Speaker 3: You wasn't doing no interviews, you weren't being loud, you
Speaker 3: weren't drawing any attention to you. But it seems this
Speaker 3: these days, the people who seem and that's you know,
Speaker 3: allegedly he's doing these things. But he did come to
Speaker 3: Instagram or Twitter and say that he apologizes to the family,
Speaker 3: so he acknowledged something wrongdoing or whatever. So I don't
Speaker 3: know whether he did anything, But what I do know
Speaker 3: is that it seems to be a new trend for
Speaker 3: the people who are attached to crime, who are doing crime,
Speaker 3: to be the loudest and most public figures to be
Speaker 3: seen all the time.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if people.
Speaker 3: Understand that that's not a good strategy, Like if you're
Speaker 3: doing something that's illegal, you don't want to be seen.
Speaker 3: You don't want people to say, if I see this
Speaker 3: person all the time, what is he doing, Let's look
Speaker 3: into his background, Let's just let's follow him around. He's
Speaker 3: always got something to say. He's always loud. Like I
Speaker 3: when when I was in the streets years ago, I
Speaker 3: did not want to be seen. I wanted to be quiet.
Speaker 3: I wanted to disappear. You know the OG's that I
Speaker 3: know that was getting money in the street, they weren't
Speaker 3: the loud ones they were. They were trying to be
Speaker 3: on the cameras. They didn't want to take no pictures,
Speaker 3: they didn't They barely had conversations with people they didn't know.
Speaker 3: I just don't get this new eraror of being flamboyant,
Speaker 3: loud and visible when you know that you're attached to
Speaker 3: criminal and illegal activities. I just don't understand what people
Speaker 3: are thinking. I really don't.
Speaker 1: I just don't get it.
Speaker 2: Maybe they think they're hiding in playing sight, but.
Speaker 3: That when has that ever? But when has it ever worked?
Speaker 3: I hear is the theory of it, but when has
Speaker 3: it worked?
Speaker 1: When has it worked?
Speaker 3: You only you drew more to It's just like when
Speaker 3: you look at you know, when we look at Frank Lucas.
Speaker 3: You know in the movie, Frank was trying to be quiet.
Speaker 3: As soon as he wore that mint coat. You know,
Speaker 3: the police was like, who's that down there? You know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, who is that with the mint coat?
Speaker 3: He got all of this and.
Speaker 2: That's it wasn't mean, it wasn't me. It was with
Speaker 2: even more expensive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that on and and then he realized he threw
Speaker 3: that ship in the fire, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So I just think that and and the interesting thing
Speaker 4: about it is that his woman encouraged him to wear
Speaker 4: that damn cod.
Speaker 2: He never wanted to whear, he did it for her.
Speaker 4: That's a It's a lot of things to analyze in
Speaker 4: American gangs.
Speaker 2: Jewels, because it is American gangster has a lot of.
Speaker 4: Jewels, and it is and some great acting, which is
Speaker 4: a whole different conversation. But I mean, you're what you're
Speaker 4: talking about, is that is true that Frank Lucas did
Speaker 4: not want to be known, He did not want to
Speaker 4: be seen, although he was a philanthropist in his community,
Speaker 4: so that got him a lot of attention.
Speaker 3: It got him attention to where he was loved in
Speaker 3: his community. He wasn't speaking out, He wasn't he wasn't
Speaker 3: trying to be seen for the wrong thing. He was
Speaker 3: just seen as a regular businessman.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: He had his shot this and that. The community said, oh,
Speaker 3: Frank is.
Speaker 1: A good guy.
Speaker 3: He worked with Bumby Johnson, he was you know, he
Speaker 3: was his personal assistance. So he was known and respecting
Speaker 3: the community. But he he didn't want heat drawing. He
Speaker 3: always said, the loudest person in the room is the
Speaker 3: weakest person in it, you know. And I just don't
Speaker 3: you know, no disrespect to anybody, but I just want
Speaker 3: to know what is the mind state that comes with
Speaker 3: First of all, I don't condone criminal activity at all,
Speaker 3: but once again, I don't understand what is the mind
Speaker 3: state of this generation?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: Is this the culture is not even generation because Boozy
Speaker 3: is not a young dude, So it's the culture. And
Speaker 3: what I realized that this culture has even allowed or
Speaker 3: it's even influenced elders. I've watched a lot of dudes
Speaker 3: that I respect for years that I thought with certain
Speaker 3: individuals start to get on this internet and just become
Speaker 3: less than what you know, what they are. You know,
Speaker 3: they've they've they've they've strayed away from their own morals
Speaker 3: and values.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: So I don't know, man, I just I really don't.
Speaker 3: It behooves me, it really does.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 4: I hope, I hope that we find out that, you know,
Speaker 4: Boosy's situation isn't anything bad. I mean, you already said
Speaker 4: several times that you don't know what his situation is.
Speaker 4: But it's just the point that if in fact he
Speaker 4: did do something, if he did, then the the the
Speaker 4: theory that you bringing up applies that why would you
Speaker 4: be doing that whatever that could potentially be and at
Speaker 4: the same time being this loud voice that upsets people
Speaker 4: also because you know, that's the other thing, is trying
Speaker 4: to keep yourself out of the limelight to where you
Speaker 4: know you when he encountered police officers, he talked bad
Speaker 4: shit to the cops. He went and he wrote things
Speaker 4: and he says shit in their faces. Told him they
Speaker 4: don't make no money. You could come work for me.
Speaker 4: I'll get you some black women pussy, which I did
Speaker 4: not like at all. That really did upset me. I
Speaker 4: agree with you that sometimes he says things that and
Speaker 4: his and his his courageousness in terms of seeking up
Speaker 4: and saying whatever he feels that is attractive to most people.
Speaker 2: But I also see misogyny.
Speaker 4: In him and the way in which he speaks, and
Speaker 4: it's other things, other levels of ignorance that I have heard,
Speaker 4: and I'm not gonna going to ignore it just because
Speaker 4: I think he's funny.
Speaker 2: I think he's hilarious. But I also think that.
Speaker 4: There's you know, there's some there's just there's just there
Speaker 4: are there are moments, not just with Boosy, but there
Speaker 4: are moments with the Internet in general that I think
Speaker 4: brings out the worst in people because they are looking
Speaker 4: for clicks and likes and trying to be the most relevant.
Speaker 4: They're trying to Sometimes some people, I think that Internet
Speaker 4: like the.
Speaker 2: Red Light camera. I never forget.
Speaker 4: Jennifer Williams, our friend from Basketball Wise, she told me
Speaker 4: one day that she could be friends chilling, hanging out
Speaker 4: with some of the same women on the show, and
Speaker 4: then when the camera comes on, it's like the Red
Speaker 4: Light Special. Everything changes, everybody changes, everybody starts acting different.
Speaker 4: Things they didn't even discuss before those cameras came on
Speaker 4: becomes the issue during.
Speaker 2: The show and You're like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: Like we when when did this come up? We was
Speaker 2: just fine. So I think that the internet is like
Speaker 2: the Red Light Special and it can be pretty dangerous.
Speaker 3: It is, man, But I hope, I hope we started
Speaker 3: we just started doing better, man, So you know. But
Speaker 3: with that said, that brings us to the end of
Speaker 3: another Dope episode. Shout out to our analyst that we
Speaker 3: had on, Malcolm NaN's excellent analysts. Man, what is he?
Speaker 3: What does he say?
Speaker 4: He's a career York Time a New York Times best
Speaker 4: selling author, and he is also a national security and
Speaker 4: political analyst.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's what he does. And he's he was
Speaker 3: very very and.
Speaker 2: He's obviously a Democrat all the way a Democrat.
Speaker 3: He's definitely Democrats, So you know, he let that be known.
Speaker 3: But he definitely has You know, when you when you're
Speaker 3: that entrenched and you know you are what would I say,
Speaker 3: you are interested when you're entrusted with the level of
Speaker 3: knowledge and national security things that he said that he's
Speaker 3: been interested with for years.
Speaker 4: You know, his his.
Speaker 3: His decisions come from somewhere. You know, he knows more
Speaker 3: about the ship that we know about. So when he
Speaker 3: when he's when he's talking about things. You know, I'm listening.
Speaker 3: I'm not so like you said, we definitely see problems
Speaker 3: in this administration. We see problems in all administration. But
Speaker 3: what he did, he did say that I always said,
Speaker 3: it is these people trying to kill us.
Speaker 2: I hear you.
Speaker 3: You don't like this person and that person, but these
Speaker 3: people trying to kill us.
Speaker 1: You know, and we don't.
Speaker 3: We don't acknowledge that. Then they're going to succeed. So
Speaker 3: shout out to him for his insight, and shout out
Speaker 3: to you for you know, being showing up as usual.
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