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Speaker 1: Stay with us for a two hour special on the

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Speaker 1: recently discovered video and audio regarding the death of Nane

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Speaker 1: Bella and Celeste and killer Dad Chris Watts. I really

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Speaker 1: want to help you. Guys. I do. I feel like

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Speaker 1: I'm this whole thing is just going to be crazy,

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Speaker 1: regardless of whether I give you my phone or not.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's kind of how I look at it,

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Speaker 1: like it's happening. It's gonna happen all along, so it's

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Speaker 1: not like, well they do. That's the other thing too.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's kind of a good backup. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: reasons why we want everything. UM invalidates things that we know.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna come out and tell you did. If

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Speaker 1: you telling me something to date, we'll validate it with

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Speaker 1: your text messages, whether it's the ones we have no

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Speaker 1: or the ones you're going to give us. Certainly, I'm

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Speaker 1: not looking at anything else except for the conversations between

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Speaker 1: you and Chris Watts and the phone data between you

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Speaker 1: and Chris Watts phone for times and dates for those

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Speaker 1: phone calls, UM, and then the content of the text

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Speaker 1: messages that are there, and we can will write that

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Speaker 1: specifically down here. Understand that I don't want anybody to

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Speaker 1: get some of those texts like they have nothing to

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Speaker 1: do with those days and they're just like between you

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Speaker 1: and Chris. Yes, they're just they're just so just tell

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Speaker 1: me what you're They're just kind of raunchy. Okay, we'll

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Speaker 1: need anybody. Everybody's an adults. We're not going to sound

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Speaker 1: where I don't need. I don't want the ones papers

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Speaker 1: to get that, That's all I want. But the only

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Speaker 1: ones that we would be looking for again is the

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Speaker 1: same kind of questions we're getting to here is things

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Speaker 1: you that might indicate maybe not then, but now that

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Speaker 1: of the fact that his wife, his pregnant wife, and

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Speaker 1: two little girls were found dead, the moms Shenan Watts,

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Speaker 1: in that's of oil. As a matter of fact, there

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Speaker 1: are reports the two little girls had to be airlifted

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Speaker 1: in separate planes because their bodies were deemed quote combustible

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Speaker 1: confirm that she's still whining about how she doesn't want

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Speaker 1: to hand over her cell phone to investigators because there

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Speaker 1: are quote raunchy checks. I mean, please, I've even told

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Speaker 1: it in writing, and really don't even say it. If

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Speaker 1: impeding a homicide investigation because she doesn't want the world

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Speaker 1: to see her raunchy text like I care about her

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Speaker 1: raunchy texts. Well. In the end, she did not impede

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Speaker 1: the investigation. She handed over the phone. I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: This is crime Stories. Now we are learning disturbing video

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Speaker 1: surveillance from Chris Watts, the killer dad next to her

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Speaker 1: neighbor shows him sweating profusely as he packed his vehicle

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Speaker 1: just after dumping his daughter's body, and a shallow grave

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us this morning. I still

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Speaker 1: don't understand why the state did not seek the death

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Speaker 1: of a podcast, Fall of a Titan. Susan Constantine, renowned

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Speaker 1: deception and body language expert. But now to Crime online

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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter Ellen Kilauren, Ellen, is it true

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Speaker 1: what we are learning about the next Door Neighbors surveillance video?

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Speaker 1: And let me back it up? Is it true the

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Speaker 1: prosecutors flew went to go meet with the victim, Shenan Watts,

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Speaker 1: death penalty, saying, oh, you know, it'll take years and

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Speaker 1: may not ever happen. What do you know, Ellen, Yes,

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Speaker 1: and there's a chance that if it does go to trial,

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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott dot Com. Ashley, it's not jun Anne Watts.

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Speaker 1: It's the two juveniles in this case, the little children,

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Speaker 1: Bell and Celeste. I mean, I'm not getting into a

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Speaker 1: discussion of death penalty. Yes, no, it's good, it's bad.

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Speaker 1: I would think this would be the case to do it.

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Speaker 1: What do you think, Ashley Wilcott? Now, I completely agree.

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Speaker 1: But of all cases where it's probably warranted. But that's

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Speaker 1: I do think it's significant that in this particular case,

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Speaker 1: I believe the death penalty should be considered. Well, we

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Speaker 1: also know that Nan wants put up quite the struggle.

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Speaker 1: the two little girls, Bella and Celeste. All three victims

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Speaker 1: died of asphyxiation. Shenan was brutally strangled with scratch marks

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Speaker 1: killing her an unborn baby boy, Nico. The two girls

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Speaker 1: were smothered according to the autopsy report. But let's backtrack

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Speaker 1: and over three times as a matter of fact, what

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Speaker 1: Nicole Kessinger, the girlfriend the mistress that finally comes forward

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Speaker 1: two days after Schnie's disappearance, after she read newspaper articles.

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Speaker 1: Listen on Tuesday, which would have been the fourteenth to August,

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Speaker 1: what you said was, and I don't let me put

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Speaker 1: What did that cause you to do with your phone? Though?

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Speaker 1: So you guys at Radar online dot Com filed the

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Speaker 1: Foyer request. Okay, then what happened? So then the world

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Speaker 1: Kenny District Attorney is releasing these things. They're releasing them

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Speaker 1: to us, and the videos are shocking. I don't know

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Speaker 1: you have. I've watched your you for years and covering things.

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Speaker 1: These are some really intense crime videos. This is exactly

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Speaker 1: what the police used to help talk to Chris and

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Speaker 1: to have him finally conne What are you on a

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Speaker 1: first name basis with him? What have y'all gone out

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Speaker 1: and had high tea at the plaza? Chris? Are you

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Speaker 1: talking about killer Dad Chris Watts? I am okay. I

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Speaker 1: didn't know you two were tied, but go ahead. What

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Speaker 1: are you and Chris and Nicole hanging out at the

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Speaker 1: Sonic or something? What? Yeah? I am maybe one of

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Speaker 1: the many one of the only women that he did

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Speaker 1: not Yeah, he's done his wife with I'm with you

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Speaker 1: on that. So what did you So you file the

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Speaker 1: foyer request, you get the neighbors surveillance video show. So

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Speaker 1: what it shows is Chris is watching what happens, and

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Speaker 1: you know, and so it's from the neighbor's front door

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Speaker 1: and you can see the Watts house, so you don't

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Speaker 1: actually see her come home. What you see is Chris

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Speaker 1: backing up his truck and he backs it into the driveway,

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Speaker 1: and then you see him move in and out and

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Speaker 1: in and out and in and out. And what you

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Speaker 1: can't tell is what he specifically has. But what we

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Speaker 1: learned is what he has. He has his wife's body,

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Speaker 1: he has his daughter celess body, and he has his

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Speaker 1: daughter Fella's body, and he's putting all of the bodies

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Speaker 1: into the truck and then he drives away with the truck.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't even look concerned. He's not looking around and

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Speaker 1: make sure nobody's looking at him. He's not hurrying, he's

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Speaker 1: not dropping things, he's not hysterical. He is so calm

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Speaker 1: and methodical, just as if he was loading a lunchbox

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Speaker 1: in the car. And then after that we find out

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Speaker 1: yet we find out um alexis Tourez Chuck Radar online

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Speaker 1: dot Com that after that he goes out and has

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Speaker 1: a breakfast roll and just chile axis. I wish I

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Speaker 1: had time to go get a breakfast roll. But this

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Speaker 1: is after he's just loaded his wife and two little

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Speaker 1: girl's body into the vehicle and buries his wife in

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Speaker 1: a shallow grave, dumps his two little girls, and that's

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Speaker 1: of oil where he works at Anna Darko Alexis. I

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Speaker 1: also learned, and I'm trying to confirm this, that the

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Speaker 1: two little girls bodies had to be transported in two

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Speaker 1: separate airplanes because they were deemed they were so full

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Speaker 1: of oil and had soaked up so much oil van

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Speaker 1: were actually combustible. Do you know that I have heard

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Speaker 1: that that is the case, and I have heard it,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know if your readers as were so

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Speaker 1: shocked to know, and I don't know if you know this.

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Speaker 1: When those little girls were brought out of that tank,

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Speaker 1: they'd been in there for three days, they had skin slippage,

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Speaker 1: which meant that so they grabbed a little girl's arm

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Speaker 1: to pull her out of the oil tank, and her hand,

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Speaker 1: her skin came off her hand. This little girl's body

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Speaker 1: was nothing after her father shoved her through an eight

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Speaker 1: inch hole. One of them had scratches on her behind,

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Speaker 1: and there was a tuft of blond hair that was

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Speaker 1: stuck in the entrance of this oil tank when her

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Speaker 1: dad shoved her in there. Alexis, I did not know that,

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Speaker 1: and I hardly even know how to respond to that.

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Speaker 1: You're saying the the oil tank or container opening was

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Speaker 1: eight inches in circumference. Yep, that's it. Eight inches, So

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Speaker 1: we had to shove their bodies in an opening that

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Speaker 1: was eight inches wide. And the police even said him,

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Speaker 1: they did you know at the smallest part of these

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Speaker 1: girls they were maybe nine inches And he said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they sit in there. They said, did you have to

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Speaker 1: shove them in there? He said no, not at all.

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Speaker 1: But he was lying, as he lied the entire time,

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Speaker 1: because his daughter's body had scraped all down the side

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Speaker 1: on her bottom because when he shoved her in there,

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Speaker 1: she scraped against the side of it. Oh man, you know, Alexis,

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Speaker 1: I remember like it was yesterday when you had your

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Speaker 1: baby boy and you were with me, talked all the

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Speaker 1: time when I was pregnant and about to give birth

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Speaker 1: to the twins. I cannot even imagine. It just really

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Speaker 1: has thrown me off. I didn't know that fact you

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Speaker 1: just told me. In fact, it's completely thrown me off.

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Speaker 1: What was I asking you before you told me that? Oh?

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Speaker 1: I was asking about the two separate flights for the

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Speaker 1: girls because they had their bodies had, you know, soaked

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Speaker 1: up so much oil. I'm still waiting to confirm that

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Speaker 1: my daddy is that hero. He helped me grow up, truck,

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Speaker 1: he helped me. I'm good too, he leads meet. Butkahosh,

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Speaker 1: my daddy, daddy, and love you. Oh you are hearing

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Speaker 1: the daughter's Bella and Celeste, beautiful little girls whose bodies

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00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: were recovered out of oil tankers after dad Chris Watts

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Speaker 1: murdered them following the strangulation death of his wife Shannan.

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Speaker 1: In the last hours, we were learning so much more

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Speaker 1: and what I don't understand it's why this guy was

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Speaker 1: allowed to take a plea instead of going for the

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Speaker 1: death penalty. Now, that was a family decision, but I

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Speaker 1: get guarantee you guys, we all know how it works.

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Speaker 1: The family is guided by the prosecution. So whatever the

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Speaker 1: prosecution thought, they thought it was a safe way to

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Speaker 1: not seek the death pelting in this case. Joining me

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Speaker 1: right now, Crime Online dot com, Ellen Klaura and Vincent

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Speaker 1: hill Pi, author of Playbook to a Murder and creator

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Speaker 1: of Fall of a Titan podcast Susan Constantine Worldly Now

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Speaker 1: deception and body language expert, and just joining us with

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Speaker 1: the breaking news, Alexis Terreschuk with the Radar Online dot com. Now,

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Speaker 1: a lot of what we are hearing is from a podcast,

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Speaker 1: well portions of what we are hearing is from a

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Speaker 1: podcast and yet to be confirmed. The taking two flights

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Speaker 1: with the two separate bodies, and the way the children

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Speaker 1: were put into that oil tanker and the size of

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Speaker 1: the opening of the tanker being just eight inches, we

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Speaker 1: have not yet confirmed and are trying to confirm that.

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Speaker 1: But Alexis Reschuk Radar online dot com, you have confirmed

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Speaker 1: so much, including not just the girlfriend we've been listening to,

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Speaker 1: Nicole Cassenger, but also some other woman who play these

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Speaker 1: kinky sex games with killer Dad Chris Watts. We have

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Speaker 1: confirmed there was a second mistress, a woman named Amanda

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Speaker 1: and her name was secret Altering. Okay, hold on, just

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Speaker 1: my mom and I hate to interrupt you, but let

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Speaker 1: me go to my partner in crime joining me out

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Speaker 1: in La Alan Duke Alo, what's wrong? With men. I

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Speaker 1: just just a question, I advincent, don't worry you, don't hie,

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Speaker 1: because I'm coming to you next. I mean, it's just

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Speaker 1: as my son has created another word, cringey. He's got

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Speaker 1: this gorgeous wife, this beautiful home, two daughters, a son

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Speaker 1: on the way. He's got Nicole Cassenger looking for apartments

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Speaker 1: for him, and it was searching wedding dresses and weird

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00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: sex acts online. Now there's another woman. What you know,

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00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: women do this too, so it's not just men. Yeah right,

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Speaker 1: Look they're not here. Look they are not here. I

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Speaker 1: know what that's about. Don't blame the male species. It's

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Speaker 1: all right, fine, whatever, blame the devil. Okay, thanks for

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Speaker 1: that insight. Back to you, Alexis Terres. Shut. Let me

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Speaker 1: get down to the fact. So there's how did he

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Speaker 1: even have time to work? Have a wife, the children,

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Speaker 1: the home, the cutting the grass, the blah blah blah,

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Speaker 1: and two women on the side. It's like he's ordering

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Speaker 1: side dishes for the table. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll have

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Speaker 1: the sweet potato fries on the side for the table.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's just got well, how did he do it?

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Speaker 1: He managed his time very well. His wife travels don't work.

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Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, wait wait, he's an expert at time management.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Alexis. I haven't been able to laugh in

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Speaker 1: some for at least the last hour. Thank you for that.

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Speaker 1: He's an expert at time management. Quote Alexis Terrescho Radar

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Speaker 1: dot Com. I'm sure they're so proud of you right now,

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00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: go ahead, Alexis. Well, you know, his wife took their

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Speaker 1: children to both of their parents live in North Carolina,

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Speaker 1: so she went for six weeks in the summer with

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Speaker 1: her girls when they were out of school, to stay

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Speaker 1: with his parents and her parents for a vacation. And

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Speaker 1: that is when he went wild. He was like a bachelor,

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Speaker 1: and even his friends had joked with him, and this

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Speaker 1: was this was all or the police report, police report

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Speaker 1: that the county has release. The friends sent him a

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Speaker 1: text and said, how is your life as a bachelor,

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Speaker 1: And he lied to his friends and said, oh, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm just working out. I'm not doing anything else.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't working out, working out here, working out. I

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Speaker 1: can make a lot of crew judge right now, but

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Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not gonna do it. Hold on, ek

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Speaker 1: Ellen Colora wants saying she's got some news Crime online

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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter. What do you know, Ellen, Well,

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to note that we can confirm that

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Speaker 1: the opening to the tanks that Chris Swaps supped his

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00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: daughters into was only eight inches wide. Even after he

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00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: had told investigators where he had disposed of their bodies,

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00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: they just almost didn't believe him. They kept asking him

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00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 1: over and over again, are you sure? Are you sure?

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Speaker 1: How did that work? Because these these openings were so

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Speaker 1: so tiny? And I agree with alexas he is lying

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Speaker 1: as he says that he was able to do that easily. Alexas, Uh,

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Speaker 1: what can you tell me about him going over to

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Speaker 1: the neighbors after they've spotted this video? First of all,

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Speaker 1: where the neighbors across the street or Caddy cornered to him,

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Speaker 1: and didn't he go over and started explaining what all

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Speaker 1: he had loaded into his car? He did? He went

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Speaker 1: Chris was the most heat prolific shatterbox during this whole

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Speaker 1: three days of his life was missing. So yeah, So

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Speaker 1: he goes next door to his neighbors and he tells

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Speaker 1: them because he sees the video and he realizes, I

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Speaker 1: suppose in his mind, I need to justify this way.

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Speaker 1: But he's a minute, he sees the video. Did you

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Speaker 1: just say he sees the video? Why did he see

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Speaker 1: the video? They show it to him because he's pretending

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Speaker 1: to look for Chanane and he's pretending that she left

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Speaker 1: the house, and he wants to know what. He wanted

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Speaker 1: to see, what happened, Where was she who came and

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Speaker 1: got her? She leaved with the girls, And instead it

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Speaker 1: doesn't show that at all. All it shows was him

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Speaker 1: in the truck. So, according to you and Radar online

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Speaker 1: dot Com, Killer Dad Chris Watts watches the neighbors surveillance

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Speaker 1: video just hours before his arrest, He was sweating and

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Speaker 1: panicked and tried to explain his actions. According to Alexis

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Speaker 1: Terreschuck Susan Constantine with me deception of body language experts,

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Speaker 1: Susan Constantine, I would think it was the oddest thing

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Speaker 1: in the world. I know my neighbors, I know them,

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Speaker 1: but I've never had them come to the door and

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Speaker 1: start explaining to me what all and do it not

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Speaker 1: once twice, but three times what they were loading into

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Speaker 1: their car? Why? Well, they thought something was suspicious because

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Speaker 1: you know your neighbors and their normal behavior. Right, so

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Speaker 1: we know what they normally do on a daily basism.

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Speaker 1: When you see something out of think, out of norm,

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Speaker 1: you're going to question what that was. So if they

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Speaker 1: saw him sweating, showing a lot of anxiety, going back

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Speaker 1: and forth, back and forth, is showing that there's something

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Speaker 1: an activity's that's happening at that moment that was different

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Speaker 1: from his norm and they were questioning it because it

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Speaker 1: was off his baseline. Clear of the reason he kept

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Speaker 1: saying he was loading this that the other is because

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Speaker 1: he'd do Eventually police were going to talk to the neighbors,

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Speaker 1: so they would come out and say, well, yeah, he

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Speaker 1: told me he was loading a box or a blanket

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Speaker 1: or whatever. That's exactly why he did that. Nancy to

640
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: go ahead and set that mindset and his neighbors to

641
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: tell police exactly what he told them. I think jumping

642
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: into a new relationship is a little quick. It's like

643
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: I was in a relationship earlier this year, and I

644
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: think this is also a little quick. And I'm like,

645
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: so why don't we take our time? And I'm like,

646
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 1: if you guys end up doing a week on a

647
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: week off with your kids, I'm like, the weak you

648
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: have your kids be with your children, and the week

649
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: they don't, I'm like, I don't even want to see

650
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: you every day. I'm like, I think we should spend

651
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: like a few days of that together. I'm like, because

652
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,439
Speaker 1: I like my space and I think you need your space.

653
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 1: I think you need your space to like develop your

654
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: identity again and like get it back, because I think

655
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: he's just been like so wrapped up in this whole

656
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: thing that he's got in his own life and his

657
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: life that he I mean, he doesn't remember probably what

658
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: it's like to like be single or have time where

659
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: it's like just him. And so I was just like,

660
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: you know, like embrace that. It's a beautiful thing, and

661
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 1: I really try to like take it smart with all that.

662
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: And it was the same thing with his kids. It

663
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: was just like, you know, like and I and we

664
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: talk about things every once in a while where you know,

665
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: I'd be like, hey, if I ever meet you know,

666
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 1: because like I have a lot of house plants, it's

667
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: a good example. So I have a lot of house plants.

668
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: And I told I told him I was like, one day,

669
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: if I ever meet your kids, I was like, I'm

670
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: gonna show these girls how to like paint pottery and

671
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: plants plans. It was like, I think they would love

672
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: to see something grow that they bill. I think it

673
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: would be really really cute and like little stuff like that.

674
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,439
Speaker 1: But it wasn't very frequent. It wasn't hey, we should

675
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: get married, and hey we should have babies, and hay,

676
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: I want to live with the Hey me to meet

677
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: your children now, and let's cut the mom out. It

678
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: was never like that. There was never any conversation about,

679
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: you know, we can't do this with her around, we

680
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: can't do this with the kids around. He never said that.

681
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: You never said that. Yeah, maybe they didn't talk about

682
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: the marriage and the moving in because there was a

683
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: problem his wife, Shenane, the pregnant wife. I'm Nancy Grace.

684
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us

685
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,439
Speaker 1: with part two of a special look at Killer Dad.

686
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: Chris watts Man Joining Me Right Now, Ellen Klorin Crime

687
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: Online dot Com. Vincent Hill, private investigator, author playbook to

688
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: a Murder, Susan Constantine, deception and body language expert in

689
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: Joining Me Right Now, Alexis Terres Chuck Radar Online dot

690
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter Who's just broken. Two new aspects of

691
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: these murders. You know, I'm listening to the girlfriend, Nicole Cassenger.

692
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: Were these statements, Alexa to us Chuck before or after

693
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 1: the bodies were found? Before? Okay, so she didn't yet

694
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: know that the wife and the children were dead. Okay,

695
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: that's a little that alleviates some of this, because I

696
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: was wondering, how could she talk about all that when

697
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 1: the bodies had just been recovered. You know. Another aspect

698
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: to this is police were listening to her, but they

699
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: were probably also looking at her as a potential person

700
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 1: of interest, potential She did not have anything to do

701
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: with these murders. Let's just be clear about that. So

702
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 1: the wife and the children at this point are missing,

703
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: and she's just talking as fast as she can. She

704
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 1: conveniently left out the search for wedding dresses? Do people

705
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: quote hate Amber Fry, who Scott Peterson's mistress when Lacy's

706
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: pregnant wife was murdered? How to prepare for anal sex? Oh,

707
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: let's see, there's just so many to choose from. I

708
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: don't really know what to pick first. Alexis to Reschuck,

709
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 1: I doubt pretty seriously she knew his plan to murder

710
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: his wife and children. Or that he had another mistress.

711
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,240
Speaker 1: You guys have broken a lot in the last hours

712
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: at Radar online dot com, So bring us up to date,

713
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: Alexas to Reschuck. So, I don't think she did know

714
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: that he had another mistress. There was a woman named

715
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 1: Amanda and she we secretly knew her before her name

716
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: became public. And she told us that she met Chris

717
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: on a dating app and they had a really dirty

718
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: one night stand. She said that he was into he

719
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: wanted to do a rape fantasy, that he choked her

720
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: out while they had sex, and she loved in the

721
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,280
Speaker 1: right fantasy. Was he the victim or was she the victim?

722
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: He was then, so he was he was the one

723
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 1: that was raping her in their sex fantasy. That was consensual.

724
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: She said, all that rage, all that hate towards women,

725
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: I just okay, go ahead. And she said that she

726
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 1: really she had a really good time with it. She

727
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 1: thought he was really attractive and it was a really

728
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: sexy one night stancer. Yeah, so he started cheating on

729
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: his wife, his pregnant wife, basically the same minute she

730
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: got pregnant, and then he moved on to not just

731
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: cheating on her, but having a full born relationship and

732
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 1: a woman who thought they were going to get married.

733
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: This is somebody who he facetimed with this mistress, so

734
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: he killed his wife and children. Why are you acting

735
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: so indignant that the mistress thought they were going to

736
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: get married. The mistress knew he was already married. I

737
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: guess she thought he was a Marryan type, that he

738
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: would just bounce back from one and marry her again.

739
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: And so the night that the women went, they sing.

740
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 1: The first night, I'm sorry the daughters and his wife,

741
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: he sat on his bed, his unmade bed in his bedroom,

742
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: on his phone, his iPhone, and facetimet with her so

743
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: she could see. He said he was in the bed

744
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: where his wife had most likely died, and that he

745
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: was just chatting with her. She said he was staring

746
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: at her varientively, and he wasn't crying about his children

747
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: missing or his wife missing. He was just carrying on

748
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: like a flirting conversation with her, knowing that his wife was.

749
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: He had killed his wife and his daughters in that

750
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: merry house within the last twenty four hours. Wow, you know,

751
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting that people worry about the you Alexis.

752
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: Let me be clear, worry about how the mistress was hurt.

753
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,919
Speaker 1: You know, to hey with the mistress, she knew full

754
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: well he was married with children, although although I don't

755
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: think she knew the wife was pregnant. Vincent Hill, private investigator,

756
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 1: author of Playbook to Murder. So often the defense will

757
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: be and I remember Mark Garrigos, who never agree with him,

758
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: but he is a good defense lawyer. Would always say,

759
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: an adulter or does not a murderer make And that's true.

760
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: Just because you're having an affair does not mean you're

761
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: going to commit murder. But in domestic homicides, very often

762
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: you will find when the wife is murdered by the husband,

763
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: there has been an affair. So the converse to me

764
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: is true very often, and domestic homicides you will find

765
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: the killer is an adulterer. True adulterer doesn't mean a

766
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: killer necessarily, but the reverse may very well be true.

767
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: Vincent Hill. They had to know they were going to

768
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: dig up at least one mistress. Vincent, Yeah, absolutely, and

769
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: thank god. You know, if you're an adulter doesn't make

770
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: you a killer, because I'd be dead right now. No,

771
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: I'm on my second marriage. But you know, I think

772
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: it's very you do notice that none of the women

773
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 1: on the panel are laughing. But go ahead, go ahead

774
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: and laugh to your laugh to yourself. Go ahead. I

775
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: tell you what, After all I've been through trying to

776
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: have these children and raise these children, I would have

777
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, I don't even know what I would

778
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 1: do if I found out my husband was cheating. You know, well,

779
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: that's a whole other can of worms. But go ahead.

780
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: What's really disturbing Nancy. I think with this other mistress

781
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: that he met on tender or whatever dating website, it

782
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: was the fact that he wanted to play out this

783
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: rape fantasy and strangle her. I think he was kind

784
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: of setting the tone of what he was going to

785
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 1: do with his wife. And I wouldn't be surprised if

786
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: more women came forward at a later time, whether it's

787
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: from ten years ago, and say, yeah, he liked to

788
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: choke or strangle or something like that. So I think

789
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: all the signs were there at this this whole time.

790
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: And luckily for this other mistress, I think she got

791
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: out kind of lucky. To be honest with you, well,

792
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:44,280
Speaker 1: you know what, you're right, You're right. And again, although

793
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: we're giving her a hard time, she is in no

794
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: way implicated in his murderous plan. As a matter of fact,

795
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: listen to girlfriend Nicole Kessinger. No, it wasn't fair to

796
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: his family for him to have an affair. It wasn't

797
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: fair to me to have him lie to me and

798
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,479
Speaker 1: make me think that eving is to plan. And still

799
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: to this day, I don't even know what's to lie

800
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: and what's not. I don't even know if they were

801
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: like filing for divorce. I don't know if they were

802
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: put in the house up. I don't even know. I

803
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: don't even know anymore what is real and what it's not.

804
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: But what I do know is it's just like, you know,

805
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: that wasn't fair to me either, because if I hadn't known,

806
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: not even all the truth, but like obviously some of it,

807
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have even engaged in any of this in

808
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: the first place. And it just I mean, and that's

809
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: the part for me, just like on my personal level,

810
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: outside of everything that is happening that is gonna affect

811
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: me long term. It's like, you know, I'm gonna wake

812
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 1: up every day and know that like his mom and

813
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: her unborn child and these two little girls are not

814
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 1: around anymore, and it breaks my heart. It is so

815
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: god in any and then I have to think about

816
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 1: like the consequences of his actions and how affect everybody else,

817
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: like all of these her family's impacted. My name is

818
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 1: about to be like slandered for probably a while. I

819
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 1: don't know how long it's gonna take to heal, but

820
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: I would not be surprised if it's gonna be hard

821
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: to go out in public sometimes for a couple of years.

822
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: And that really hurts me. I'm just like, this is

823
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: a horrible, horrible thing, like how dare you? You know?

824
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: And people aren't gonna understand that. You know, they're gonna say, oh,

825
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: you know, you're the woman that had an affair with

826
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: this man who took out his whole family. And I

827
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: take a step back, and it's just like I didn't know,

828
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: Like I ah, it's he's so disgusting. I'm so ashamed

829
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: of him and everything. And I just all those little girls,

830
00:48:52,880 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: there's a little and that's a part for me, just

831
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: like on my personal level, outside of everything that is

832
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: happening that is gonna affect me long term. It's like,

833
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna wake up every day and know

834
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: that like his mom and her unborn child, and these

835
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: two little girls are not around anymore, and it breaks

836
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: my heart. It is so god in any and then

837
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: I have to think about like the consequences of his

838
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: actions and how they affect everybody else, like all of

839
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 1: these her family's impacted. My name is about to be

840
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: like slandered for probably a while. I don't know how

841
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: long it's gonna take to heal, but I would not

842
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 1: be surprised if it's gonna be hard to go out

843
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: in public sometimes for a couple of years. And that

844
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 1: really hurts me. I'm just like, this is a horrible,

845
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 1: horrible thing, like how dare you? You know? And people

846
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: aren't gonna understand that, you know, they're gonna say, oh,

847
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: you know, you're the woman that had an affair with

848
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 1: this man who took out his whole family. Hold on

849
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 1: just a moment, Alexis Terrestro Radar online dot Com. You

850
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: told me that this statement from the mistress and cold

851
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: Keessinger was before they knew Shenan and the two children

852
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: were dead. She clearly knows that they're dead. She just

853
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: said he took out his wife and two little girls.

854
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 1: Everyone is missing, and this is what she went in

855
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: she volunteered. She called the police herself when the girls

856
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: went missing after the first night, I said, they see

857
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: time that she saw that the house that bad had

858
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: no shoots on it, and he was acting really strange.

859
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 1: She called the police, but they never surfaced again. Everybody

860
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: knew that they were all missing, and so she finally Okay,

861
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: so you're saying that this is after they go missing,

862
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: their believed dead at his hands. He's a suspect, but

863
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: the bodies haven't been found yet. Correct. Okay to Susan Constantine,

864
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: deception body language expert Susan, the crying and the whatever,

865
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 1: I couldn't even make out what she's kind of like

866
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: a squeak at the end. The reality is she did

867
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: not commit the murders. Okay, that was not her plan.

868
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 1: She was not involved in it at all. But it

869
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: seems a little disingenuous to be talking about how her

870
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: name is going to be slandered when you sign up

871
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: to data married man, what do you think is going

872
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,439
Speaker 1: to happen when people find out they're not gonna like it. Yeah,

873
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: that's the one thing that stook out to me too, Nancy,

874
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: was that she was kind of bringing attention more to herself, like,

875
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 1: how this is going to affect me in the future. Hall,

876
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: people are going to see her in the future, and

877
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: she may have to be, you know, inside for a

878
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: couple of years because of this whole thing that she's

879
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: This man has taken out the kid's family, so you know,

880
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: the attention is on the wrong person. Why is the

881
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: attention on her and not about the kids? I just

882
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: find that to be really odd. But it's a very

883
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: selfish person. But the act in itself, everything about her

884
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: was very self serving and selfish anyway, being involved with

885
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: a married man, he wasn't divorced yet. I mean, Vincent Hill,

886
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: when will people ever are This is not just about men,

887
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: although I'm having a good time, you know, gibing at

888
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: you and Alan, Vincent Hill, come on, you leave a track,

889
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: a trail a mile wide when you have lovers and

890
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: then your spouse ends up dead. I mean, even without

891
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: girlfriends or boyfriends or lovers or mistresses. They always look

892
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: at the spouse first, the girlfriend, the boyfriend first, the

893
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: lover first. But then when mistresses start cropping up, not one,

894
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 1: but two, including one that you play out volatile and

895
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: angry sex role playing with that that that doesn't look

896
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: good when your wife is missing. Why why Vincent? Yeah,

897
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: just can't get it right. Nancy, to your point, because

898
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: you anytime you're investigating the death of a spouse, the

899
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 1: other spouse is the first person police look at. And

900
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: then you add in, you know, violent sex playouts and

901
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: another mistress with text messages about anal sex and everything else.

902
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: Then of course that's where our investigators are going to look.

903
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: And you had the other mistress saying, oh, I went

904
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: there and the sheets were off the bed, so I

905
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: knew something was wrong. I mean, this guy wasn't the

906
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: brightest bulb in the light should per se to do

907
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: what he did, and to take the mistress to his

908
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: house after they went missing, that is just stupid. Well,

909
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 1: what about his deception and whether Nan knew had the

910
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 1: instinct that he was cheating, because I feel like he

911
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: got it over on everybody in escaping the death penalty.

912
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:50,720
Speaker 1: I think he pulled deceived, the prosecutors, the court, everybody

913
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: in this case. What about it, too, Ellen klaurin Crime

914
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: Online dot Com investigative reporter, Well, it is really just

915
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 1: amazing how often and to how many people Chris Watts lied,

916
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: even after investigators told him point blank, you failed this

917
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: polygraph test. We know you're lying. He still continued to

918
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: lie and deny that he had anything to do with

919
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: why his family was missing. He was able to convince

920
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: his girlfriend that his marriage was on its way to

921
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 1: a divorce and that his wife was on board with that,

922
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: which we know now is not true, But he was

923
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: not able to convince Shannon that he wasn't being on baseball.

924
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: She knew towards the very end of her life. She

925
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: knew in her gut that something wasn't right. She had

926
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: seen a credit card receipt from that Saturday night that

927
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: he claimed to be at a Colorado Rockies game. He wasn't.

928
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: He was at at a dinner with his girlfriend, and

929
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: she got an alert of the charge of that credit

930
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:58,240
Speaker 1: card and it was way too much for one person.

931
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: So she knew, and he he even admitted later that

932
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 1: he knew. He knew that she knew, and he still

933
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,919
Speaker 1: continues to deny and deny and deny any affairs. Nancy.

934
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: This guy always go ahead. I'm sorry, Nancy. One thing,

935
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: when I was doing PI cases and people would say,

936
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 1: I think my spouse is cheating on me. The spouse

937
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: always knows there's something that changes in their behavior, their

938
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,439
Speaker 1: spending pattern, the way they talk to you. So yeah,

939
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 1: no doubt miss Watts knew exactly what her husband, Chris

940
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: was doing. Now we learned that Chris Watts a killer

941
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 1: dad actually google quote when to say I Love you

942
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 1: when starting a knee relationship. This was weeks before he

943
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:43,240
Speaker 1: murdered his wife and children. During his affair, he googles

944
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,240
Speaker 1: when to say I love you for the first time

945
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 1: in a new relationship. On that same day, he googled

946
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: what do you feel when someone tells you they love you?

947
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 1: And how does it feel and someone says I love you.

948
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 1: This is all while he's married with a wife pregnant

949
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 1: with their first son, already have two little girls. For

950
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 1: almost a whole summer before she was killed, Chanane was

951
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: in North Carolina on and off visiting her parents, and

952
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,399
Speaker 1: she was still working at her job. That is when

953
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 1: we believe much of the affair began. Their marriage began

954
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:36,280
Speaker 1: to crumble, and Chananne was desperately trying to salvage their marriage.

955
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: So what does that say to you? Alexis Terrez chuck

956
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: that before her husband killed murdered her, she was pleading

957
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: with him to stop quote living the bachelor life. She

958
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: knew he was quote living the bachelor life. What is

959
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 1: that well, because she was gone with their children, staying

960
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: at his parents' house. In her parents' house, he was

961
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,320
Speaker 1: acting like a single guy. He was going out to

962
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: baseball games with friends, and he had no responsibility. He

963
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 1: didn't have children to take care of the morning or

964
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, or drive them to

965
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 1: the swimming pool or to the beach or anything. He

966
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: was just doing exactly what he wanted to do with

967
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: no responsibilities, and she was devastated by this. She was

968
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: in a panic. She kept sending him self help book

969
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 1: thing to prepare their relationship, begging him, telling him she

970
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: missed their closeness and how much she loved him and

971
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: how she wanted to work things out with him. Meanwhile,

972
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: he was just having sex with his other lady and

973
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: then likely plotting to kill her and to get her

974
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: and the girls out of the way, and the whole

975
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 1: time texting her. Alexis texting her that Shenanne, that he

976
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: loved her and he was sorry and they would work

977
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: everything out, but he had another pot on the fire.

978
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: Listened to the girlfriend Nicole Kessinger, Your relationship with Chris

979
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 1: was Can you describe your relationship? I mean when he

980
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: was with me, I considered it to be fairly healthy.

981
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: Was open communication, and it was what I thought was honest,

982
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 1: and it was very calm, It was respectful. We got

983
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: along really well. He gave me my space when I

984
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: needed it, I gave him his, and anytime like he

985
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 1: wanted to take care of it, like any time that

986
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: his kids could be in like his life for hours

987
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: or days or whatever, whenever they were home. I made

988
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: sure that I wasn't a presence in his life so

989
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: that he could be the best dad that he needed

990
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: to be. And I mean I thought what we had

991
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 1: it was very comfortable for me. I enjoyed it. I

992
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: think he did very much as well. You guys, sixty

993
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: eight weeks, two months, whatever it was, you guys had

994
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 1: an intimate relationship during that time. Yes, so you're pretty serious.

995
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: Did he ever tell you that he loved you? Yes?

996
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: He did. Did you ever tell him the same couple times?

997
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: I'm still in shocked that this whole thing happened. I like,

998
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 1: that's why I gave him the benefit of the doubt

999
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: for the first day, because I was just like, no, way,

1000
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: like I didn't even think about that. I mean, murder

1001
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: was not on the top of my mind. When somebody

1002
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: doesn't come home for an evening, especially if they just

1003
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: like had some sort of like heated conversation, it's like, Okay,

1004
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: you guys are separatening a heated conversation. You leave for

1005
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 1: a night, Like I didn't even think this guy killed

1006
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 1: his wife. I mean that like murders on something on

1007
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: the top of my mind. When I call one of

1008
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: my friends for three or four hours and she doesn't

1009
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: answer the phone, like that doesn't even process to me,

1010
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: is like a real thing that is a possibility at

1011
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: that point, And so that's why I gave it a day.

1012
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 1: And then the second day I was talking to him.

1013
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:53,919
Speaker 1: He was just like a hot mess. I could tell.

1014
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 1: And then with the way he was talking to me,

1015
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: and then that's kind of when I cut him off

1016
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: and I stopped talking to Joining me Ellen Klaurin Crime

1017
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter, Vincent Hill, private investigator and author,

1018
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 1: Susan Constantine, deception body language expert, and joining me right

1019
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 1: now Alexa's trest shut. Journalists with Radar online dot Com.

1020
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 1: Alexa's so much is breaking right now, And this is

1021
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 1: after the family was essentially talked out of seeking the

1022
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 1: death penalty. What more are you learning you know about

1023
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: the death penalty? I feel like, you know, Chris kept

1024
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 1: saying from the beginning that Nan had killed his daughter

1025
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: and he found her on top of the little girl

1026
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: and strangling her, and that's when he threw her off

1027
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: and killed her because the girl was dead. But you

1028
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 1: know that the police asked me, said, well, did you

1029
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 1: try to revive your daughters? No? They said, did you

1030
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 1: do any CBR? He said no, even though he had

1031
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 1: CPR trading very recently through work, and so he has

1032
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 1: was such an expert lave his parents. I suppose any

1033
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 1: parent loves her child really believed that the wife killed

1034
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 1: these girls and that he was just taking a covering

1035
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 1: up for her and really was taking a bullet for

1036
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 1: her instead. And that's why. But perhaps that they didn't

1037
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: see the definulity because they were afraid that a jury

1038
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: would believe that too, because that was going to be

1039
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: his defense, that he only killed his wife, that he

1040
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't kill those girls. Alexis, Alexis, get a hold of yourself.

1041
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? Afraid the jury would believe

1042
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 1: it too. What Uh no, no, no, No jury in

1043
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 1: their right mind would believe something like that. But are

1044
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 1: you telling me? That's why they waffled and they taught

1045
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 1: the family into not seeking the death penalty. Yes, and

1046
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:47,439
Speaker 1: that because his parents so adamantly believed it. And even

1047
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 1: after he pleaded guilty, he said I killed them all,

1048
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 1: his parents said this wasn't true. He was coerced into

1049
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 1: doing it about the girls because he didn't kill the girls.

1050
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 1: He only killed his wife and not the girls. Where

1051
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 1: are you guys coming out now to speak with us

1052
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 1: because we didn't know about the plea deal. This is

1053
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 1: Ronnie and Cindy Watts, the parents of Christopher Watts, the

1054
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 1: man who pleaded guilty to killing his pregnant wife, Shanan,

1055
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 1: and his two children, Bella and Celeste. We were not

1056
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: allowed to talk to him about it. They're frustrated because

1057
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 1: they say his attorneys wouldn't let them ask him anything

1058
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 1: about the case before the plea. I asked, Chris, if

1059
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:26,479
Speaker 1: you did not do this, do not confess to something

1060
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: you didn't do, and she shut me down. She completely

1061
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 1: shut me down, just like everyone else. His parents have

1062
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 1: a lot of questions after he confessed to killing Shanan,

1063
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 1: claiming he saw her strangle one of the kids. I'm

1064
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 1: sorry as I went into a rage and I killed her,

1065
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 1: and he said, I am so sorry. He says, I've

1066
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 1: ruined your life. I've ruined my life. Antelisa that I

1067
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 1: could not put the girls with her after what she did.

1068
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 1: I could not put them with her, and so instead

1069
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 1: of putting the girls with her, he decided to put

1070
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 1: them into the whole time, it was us. I don't

1071
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 1: understand that either. He's not a sociopath. He's not a psychopath.

1072
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 1: A question his parents have is what was the trigger

1073
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 1: to cause all this to happen? Something I asked when

1074
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 1: I interviewed him when she was reported missing. Did you

1075
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 1: guys get an argument before? It wasn't. It wasn't like

1076
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 1: an argument. We had emotional conversation, but I'll leave it

1077
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 1: at that. Because she was leaving him where he was

1078
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 1: leaving her, He was leaving her, he said. It wasn't

1079
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 1: in love with anymore. He said, because both NaN's family

1080
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 1: and Chris's family are in pain, his parents just want

1081
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 1: the truth about what happened. If this actually happened like

1082
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 1: the like they're saying that it did that he killed them,

1083
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 1: then what was the trigger? There? You were hearing from

1084
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 1: denverse seven Chris Watts's family defending him, claiming that Shenan

1085
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 1: Watts is what actually murdered their children to Susan Constant

1086
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: tain Deception of body language expert way In on that scenario. Yeah, Nan,

1087
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 1: I'm listening to what she's think. You know, it reminds

1088
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 1: me of Sandia and you know when she went to

1089
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 1: bad for her own daughter. And they are delusional. They

1090
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 1: just cannot believe that their own child is capable of

1091
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 1: being a sociopath or psychopath. Well, guests, wife, he is,

1092
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 1: and he was and he always will be. And you

1093
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 1: didn't see the signs because you chose not to see it.

1094
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 1: You're you look at him through a blind eye. Following

1095
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 1: up on his story, take a listen to Chris Watts

1096
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 1: in video that we've obtained off his confession, telling his

1097
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 1: dad how he heard a quote commotion upstairs and goes

1098
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 1: up there to find his pregnant wife, Shannan smothering one

1099
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 1: of the daughters. I think she raised my hounds hanging out.

1100
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 1: M I'll choking my girl. She's going yea, they're blue. Yes,

1101
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 1: she choked out from the dead. I forgot the champagoe

1102
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 1: cans say, I don't say that. I figed might call

1103
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: them concos studs. No one to do all the bodies

1104
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 1: offers on for mean, I didn't know what else to

1105
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 1: do that I faked I out, didn't know nothing else

1106
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 1: to do. I didn't know what to do. So they

1107
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 1: were saying, like, superly fit an arm through that, it's

1108
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 1: probably get it. That's something that's just like, right, is

1109
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 1: that's how we gas to tanks? So do you think

1110
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 1: it's about like just like a pot or what's that

1111
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 1: thing on the ground street look a man like its cover? Like?

1112
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 1: Does that thing okay? Was it hard to get them

1113
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: in there? Did you have to push or anything? Or okay,

1114
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 1: we're sure you're okay, Like we're gonna have to bring

1115
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 1: these tanks. It's gonna be kind of a mess. So

1116
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure that you're being truthful

1117
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:49,439
Speaker 1: about that. And did it because fish she nan here

1118
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 1: because she couldn't like cold, you not lift her all

1119
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 1: the way up there, or you couldn't would you have

1120
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 1: been too big to fit in that hole? Did you

1121
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 1: know that already just from the working build? And then

1122
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 1: then uh, okay, and the girls aren't going to be

1123
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 1: with her in going down here? Do you didn't really

1124
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:21,439
Speaker 1: think this just blew from wherever that was? Okay, that's

1125
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 1: very open area, very that's just such a cool wind

1126
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:29,840
Speaker 1: for him and everybody else. There's nothing, there's no tree,

1127
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 1: nothing perspecting that area and something through now, Okay, Bruce

1128
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 1: Watts in video that we've obtained off his confession, and

1129
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 1: then you hear Chris Watts continuing to give investigators information

1130
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 1: regarding the so called burial of his family. Listen, I

1131
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 1: told you that we've done some work overnight something that

1132
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 1: we've got a lot of reliefs. There wasn't a why.

1133
01:07:57,720 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 1: We know a lot more than you think we do. Okay,

1134
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 1: then here's what we're confused. You're this great guy. I'm

1135
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 1: not just telling you that, Okay. I'm telling you that

1136
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 1: because everyone tells us that. Okay, we can't find anyone

1137
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 1: to say anything bad about you. Chris is a great guy.

1138
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:18,480
Speaker 1: He's a good father, he's a good man. We're confused

1139
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 1: as to why you're not taking care of your beautiful children.

1140
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 1: I'm not taking care of them right now. Right now,

1141
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 1: I don't know where they're at Honestly, I do not

1142
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 1: know where they are at. If I could have my

1143
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:44,800
Speaker 1: baby's back home right now, I would I want them back.

1144
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 1: I want everybody back. As a god on his truth,

1145
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 1: that may be the only thing killer Dad Chris Wise

1146
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 1: was telling the truth about he did want his wife

1147
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 1: and children back so he wouldn't go to jail for

1148
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 1: life or worse, look down the wrong into the barrel

1149
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 1: at the death penalty. You are hearing Chris Watts will

1150
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:13,639
Speaker 1: with investigators describing still claiming his wife and children had

1151
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 1: no idea where they were the whole time. To Alexis Terreschuk,

1152
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 1: he knew he had killed all three and forced the

1153
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:26,719
Speaker 1: girl's bodies into tankers whose opening were just eight inches wide.

1154
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:30,720
Speaker 1: And we heard him a few moments ago describing that

1155
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:37,600
Speaker 1: putting his daughters down these pipes, essentially without shedding a tear. Alexis,

1156
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 1: what can you tell me about him? Looking at real

1157
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 1: estate and Alexis, I'm reading some of her texts, and

1158
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:46,679
Speaker 1: all of these texts and videos are in the state's file.

1159
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 1: She says, I can handle not having your help with

1160
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:54,960
Speaker 1: the girls. That's exhausting, But I missed the smell of you,

1161
01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 1: you touching me when I'm cooking me, holding you, snug

1162
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 1: with you, eating with you, watching TV with you. I

1163
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:06,640
Speaker 1: miss staring at you. I miss everything about you. I

1164
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 1: can't wait to hold you, to kiss you, to smell you,

1165
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:12,240
Speaker 1: to laugh with you, to celebrate eight years with you.

1166
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 1: If you're done and you don't love me, you don't

1167
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 1: want to work this out, not happy anymore, only studying

1168
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 1: books as the kids. I need you to tell me,

1169
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:23,799
Speaker 1: would you stay with me if we didn't have kids?

1170
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 1: And she goes on, Alexis, I just don't get it.

1171
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 1: You don't fall out of love in five weeks. How

1172
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:32,680
Speaker 1: can you sleep? Our marriage is crumbling in front of us,

1173
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 1: and you can sleep. All of this is happening just

1174
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 1: before her murder now. Chris Watts then seeks out a

1175
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 1: real or explain Alexis to Reschuck. They had had major

1176
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 1: financial troubles, but while both of them were working like

1177
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 1: they were really strapped for cash. Their daughter's school, their

1178
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 1: private school costs twenty five thousand dollars a year. It

1179
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:59,799
Speaker 1: was really extensive to them. So they decided actually together

1180
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 1: to maybe sell the house. So Sanin actually reached out

1181
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 1: to the real estate agent first. She said, we would

1182
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:07,640
Speaker 1: like to put the house, and she did it through

1183
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 1: her Facebook page, and then Chris killed her, so she

1184
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 1: was no longer around. Then Chris reached out to the

1185
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 1: real estate agents, and the real estagent thought that was

1186
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 1: so weird because she had helped them buy the house

1187
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:22,160
Speaker 1: a few years earlier. She had never ever once dealt

1188
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 1: with Chris. So he's killed his wife, he's killed his ladies,

1189
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 1: and he goes ahead and calls the real estate ladiesays, yeah,

1190
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 1: we definitely still want to sell this house, and she

1191
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:32,800
Speaker 1: founded the alarm. That's before the bodies were found and

1192
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 1: they were quote just missing hours after he had killed them,

1193
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 1: when nobody even knew that they were missing, when he

1194
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 1: had already dumped their bodies out in this a band

1195
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:44,800
Speaker 1: of an old oil well and out in the middle

1196
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 1: of nowhere. And then he contacts the real estate ladies, says, yeah,

1197
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:49,800
Speaker 1: go ahead, we definitely want to do this, And so

1198
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 1: she kept texting Chris and Chanan because she said she'd

1199
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 1: never dealt with Chris before, and she didn't hear anything

1200
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 1: from her, and she thought that was so strange. And

1201
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:01,680
Speaker 1: then he replied too and said, oh yeah, yeah, go

1202
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 1: ahead and tell her how It's just who're going to

1203
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 1: completely paralleled uvers, and he could go ahead and sell

1204
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 1: his house and it'd be fun, even though he's killed

1205
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:11,680
Speaker 1: his wife and daughters in it hours earlier. You know,

1206
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 1: Susan Constantine, you're the deception and body language expert. I'm

1207
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 1: looking at video with him right now at a convenience store,

1208
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 1: right after he murders his wife. He's just calm and cool.

1209
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 1: And we're getting this when the Colorado Weld County District

1210
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 1: Attorney's office and he stops to get breakfast and goes

1211
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:35,680
Speaker 1: in there. I am looking at the surveillance video at

1212
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:39,679
Speaker 1: a Colorado convenience stories eight a m. In the morning,

1213
01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:45,840
Speaker 1: and he's just chatting up the female cashier. He's wearing

1214
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 1: his orange T shirt with sunglasses perched on top of

1215
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:51,560
Speaker 1: his baseball cap. He takes his change, he puts it

1216
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 1: in his walk before walking away from the counter. He's

1217
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 1: just totally chill, calm, cool, collected. You'd never know he

1218
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:02,120
Speaker 1: just dump the bodies of his little girl, four year

1219
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 1: old Bella and three year old Celeste in an oil

1220
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 1: tank and buried his pregnant wife in a sallow grave

1221
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 1: out in a crude oil field. I mean, and you

1222
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:15,600
Speaker 1: hear just after that he's on the phone with the

1223
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 1: realtor trying to sell the house. Susan, Yeah, you know,

1224
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 1: I think Scott Peterson did the same thing. He put

1225
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:23,519
Speaker 1: his house up for sale right afterwards, so you know

1226
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:26,360
Speaker 1: that that chill in the air that he has. You know,

1227
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:29,680
Speaker 1: you often hear about other murderers that have done the

1228
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:32,240
Speaker 1: same thing. They may have killed somebody and they turn around,

1229
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:35,920
Speaker 1: they go to Dunkin Donuts or you know, to Wendy's

1230
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 1: to go stop and get a Hamburgers. They've released it,

1231
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:42,639
Speaker 1: so they actually feel free. So they've released themselves from

1232
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 1: all that anxiety they had. A person is dead and

1233
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:48,920
Speaker 1: they feel good about it, so they have no remorse. Remember, Nancy,

1234
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:52,600
Speaker 1: these are this is a sociopath. He's a cychopath. He

1235
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 1: has no emotion and he doesn't have any concern about

1236
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 1: other people, so it's pretty easy for him not to

1237
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 1: have any remorse, so he has not. It's almost like

1238
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 1: he's a teenager. To Ellen Kilaurain, Crime online dot Com reporter,

1239
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:09,760
Speaker 1: it's like a teenager boy just running or a kid

1240
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 1: in a candy shop just playing out every six sex

1241
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 1: fantasy with every woman that will have anything to do

1242
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:19,560
Speaker 1: with him chasing every skirt he sees. You've got the

1243
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 1: one mistress looking at wedding dresses online. But I'm still

1244
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 1: confused about her her computer search for Amber Fry because

1245
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:33,559
Speaker 1: Amber Fry was the mistress in the Scott Peterson murder case.

1246
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:38,800
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about that. She is not a suspect, she's

1247
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 1: not a person of interest. She cooperated with police. This

1248
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 1: woman to Cole Kessinger. But what about Ellan Kilaurna? And also,

1249
01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 1: what can you tell me about the photo of a

1250
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 1: doll creepily covered up with a sheet as if the

1251
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 1: doll is dead that Chris Watts texted um. Yes, as

1252
01:14:57,560 --> 01:15:00,080
Speaker 1: you said, Nancy, he's running around like a teenager. He

1253
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 1: has no responsibilities, like he's living in this fantasy world.

1254
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 1: And he's only dating this mistress who he fell in

1255
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:09,599
Speaker 1: love with and apparently wanted to start a new life

1256
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:12,639
Speaker 1: with for less than two months. The affair was only

1257
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 1: about six weeks. Most of it happened while his family

1258
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 1: was away in North Carolina. But he's he's completely ignoring them.

1259
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 1: You know, Shannon is texting him all the time, and

1260
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 1: he's ignored. You see in the discovery documents that were

1261
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 1: released that showed the text messages. He's ignoring his wife,

1262
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 1: who's patiently trying to talk to him about their family

1263
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:38,160
Speaker 1: and her pregnancy and in issues she's having with the

1264
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:40,960
Speaker 1: in laws. He's ignoring her text messages, but he's talking

1265
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 1: to the mistress. It is what it is. Though a

1266
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 1: switch went off and suddenly his family didn't matter anymore. So,

1267
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 1: getting back to the interrogation, I do think that it's

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Speaker 1: we should note that Chris Watts continued to lie after

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Speaker 1: he knew he failed a polygraph test. The interrogators they

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Speaker 1: suggested the story to him about Shannon maybe having hurt

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Speaker 1: the girls before he talks to his dad, So you

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Speaker 1: can look at him lat that that. Yeah, you can

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Speaker 1: look at a number of different ways, but you'll know

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Speaker 1: that that in the chronology of it, it was after

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Speaker 1: they make that suggestion that he talks to his dad

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Speaker 1: and he tells his that exactly what they suggested to him.

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Speaker 1: And I do not think they believe that was the

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Speaker 1: truth ever, But after he talks to his dad, his

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Speaker 1: death does believe it's the truth. He does believe his son.

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Speaker 1: And speaking of the girls, Bella and Celeste, take a

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Speaker 1: listen to this. My daddy is that he he helps me.

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Speaker 1: He helps me. He hie my shoes. If you are well,

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Speaker 1: my daddy, daddy, and love you. Chris Watts, rot in Hell,

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Story, signing off goodbye friend,