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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 2: Bazar from Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it, joined us always

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Speaker 2: buy ours bar cap. Here is Evan Lazar and Alex

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Speaker 2: bars I posted this on Twitter, like red on red

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Speaker 2: red jerseys on a red field, Like come on Eastern Washington, Like,

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Speaker 2: oh I love the red No, no, that's not love

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Speaker 2: the red field. Okay, but you can't wear red jerseys

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Speaker 2: on a red can Have you ever seen the thing

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Speaker 2: with Boise State where the guy lies down on the field.

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Speaker 1: On the kicker that should be It's a whole field

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Speaker 1: fields in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: This organization did that back in the day, there would

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Speaker 2: be a Supreme Court hearing of the pack. The Jets

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Speaker 2: can do it. There's not smart enough to hello. Everybody.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in Patriots Catch twenty two. Evan Lazar, Alex Bart

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Speaker 2: Bart The tent pole events of the offseason are over.

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Speaker 2: The free agency, the draft, all in the rearview mirror.

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Speaker 2: So it's a good time to take a step back,

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Speaker 2: go little bird's eye view roster reset style. So we'll

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Speaker 2: do that today resetting the offense, and then next week

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Speaker 2: we'll do the defense. Do you have rookie Mini caamp

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Speaker 2: coming up this weekend? Hopefully we'll get out there and

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Speaker 2: maybe one of those practices at least, so we'll have

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Speaker 2: that for you to a little preview for you as well.

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Speaker 2: And I want to open the show with some news

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Speaker 2: about Julie Edelman going into the Patriots Hall of Fame

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Speaker 2: and George Pickens got traded, which I'm sure people are

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Speaker 2: gonna want to talk about. Don't forget we have rookie

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Speaker 2: numbers too. We have rookie numbers. And today we'll definitely

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Speaker 2: open up the phone lines and the emails to you guys.

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Speaker 2: I know we didn't do that last week because there

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Speaker 2: was a lot to get to, but this week we'll

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Speaker 2: definitely have you guys on the phones and everything as well.

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Speaker 2: So that's the agenda for today's show. The Fred Paul

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Speaker 2: and Matt Smith got me all fired up before the

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Speaker 2: show today, Alex, just for you about the Celtics of course,

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Speaker 2: what else, you know, nothing really gets me fired up

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Speaker 2: these days besides defending defending the.

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Speaker 1: You can't have a logical conversation about that game. You

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Speaker 2: It wasn't even just about that game. This is not

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Speaker 2: a Celtics show, and I know some people get mad

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Speaker 2: when we talk about other sports, but I'm trying not

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Speaker 2: to let that spill over into this show too much.

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Speaker 2: Because they were they were too riled up.

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Speaker 1: You know that that you can get riled up talking

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Speaker 2: Uh, they are coming at my boy Jason Tatum. You

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Speaker 2: Jason Tatum if I have to. So, you know, we

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Speaker 2: we we were getting into it a little bit. But

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Speaker 2: football related. We're not you know, we won't get too

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Speaker 2: much into the Celtics, but uh, support the home team.

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Speaker 2: All right, we're off and running. Uh. Do you want

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Speaker 2: to start with news, And obviously the biggest news of

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Speaker 2: But what that being said, there's no arguments about Edelman

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Speaker 1: They both deserve to be first ballot and only one

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Speaker 2: Right exactly, And so no one is arguing whatsoever that

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Speaker 2: But I think what complicated things, Just to kind of

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Speaker 2: Edelman's grid. Look, some of that's Brady too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that, you know the time that we

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Speaker 2: and you know, I have some facilitation style questions for

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Speaker 2: us here, okay, And you know, I'll just go through

432
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Speaker 2: every position on offense and I'll read out the names

433
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Speaker 2: of the players that are currently on the ninety man

434
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Speaker 2: roster for the Patriots. So we'll start with quarterback. Not

435
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 2: a ton to unpack here, obviously, with Drake May and

436
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 2: Joshua Dobbs holding down one two on the depth chart.

437
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 2: And I don't think there's any chance then Ben Woolridge,

438
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,360
Speaker 2: the reported undrafted free agent signing, and I should mention

439
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 2: that all the undrafted rookies we talk about it's reportedly

440
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 2: right now. We still haven't officially announced. Those should be shortly,

441
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Speaker 2: maybe the next couple of days.

442
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Speaker 1: But I would think it's weird we have practice, Yeah,

443
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Speaker 1: on Friday, rookie practice.

444
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think by Friday, Yeah, it should. They should

445
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 2: be out soon.

446
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Speaker 1: And that's also why the ud face didn't get numbers.

447
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Speaker 1: If anybody's wondering.

448
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Drake made Joshua Dobbs, Ben Woolridge. Right now

449
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 2: is the quarterback depth chart? There's really two quick questions

450
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 2: to me here, or one question and then one just

451
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Speaker 2: sort of theory of mine that I've been kicking around.

452
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 2: I have thought of mine. The need to carry three quarterbacks.

453
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Speaker 2: I don't think when I talk about carry three, I

454
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Speaker 2: mean on the fifty three man roster at the end

455
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Speaker 2: of camp. Really, I don't see any need to carry three.

456
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Speaker 2: Last year they carried three because Joe Milton had developmental upside,

457
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Speaker 2: so they held onto him. But when it comes to

458
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 2: Ben Woolridge, I don't think we're going to get into

459
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 2: that territory. Plus, nowadays, with the extra emergency quarterback, you

460
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 2: can call up the emergencies quarterback from the practice squad.

461
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 2: So if you want to do that, I think you

462
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 2: can only do it three times. Yeah, well that's true

463
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 2: for any player. But yeah, you could do it three times, right,

464
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 2: So you're not, in my opinion, you're not carrying Ben

465
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Speaker 2: Woolridge on the fifty three just to make him the

466
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Speaker 2: emergency quarterback seventeen straight times. I just I don't think

467
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Speaker 2: that he's going to be good enough to warrant that.

468
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Speaker 2: Like if he comes out in camp and as a

469
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Speaker 2: great camp, then sure, I guess, But I don't think

470
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Speaker 2: he's good enough to warrant that. I think they're keeping

471
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Speaker 2: two quarterbacks, and that seems to be like the plan

472
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Speaker 2: all along, hence the Joe Milton trade, you know, all

473
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Speaker 2: these different things that they've done. So my guess is

474
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Speaker 2: that we'll get to the end of August early September

475
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Speaker 2: whenever roster cut down days, and it will be May

476
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Speaker 2: and Dobbs and then maybe a guy like wool Ridge

477
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Speaker 2: stress stashed excuse me, on the practice squad. But I

478
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Speaker 2: just I don't see any I.

479
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Speaker 1: Don't think the emergency third quarterback can come in practice squad.

480
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Speaker 1: When did they change that?

481
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Speaker 2: Like last year? Or the year before.

482
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Speaker 1: So it was voted and approved last year, and I'm

483
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: reading it in the NFLPA vetoed the change.

484
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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that's a change. Maybe I'm wrong. At

485
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 2: the same time, you're gonna carry You're gonna carry a

486
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Speaker 2: third quarterback just to make them the emergency qu I

487
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Speaker 2: think so.

488
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Speaker 1: I think a lot of teams are doing that. It

489
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Speaker 1: might not be Ben Woldridge, they might find somebody else.

490
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Speaker 1: I think they're gonna a third quarterback. He might not

491
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Speaker 1: be one right now, but I think they're not a

492
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Speaker 1: third quarterback.

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Speaker 2: I just don't see the point of that. Like you're

494
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 2: racing a roster spot on a on a on a

495
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 2: quarterback that's never gonna play like the I think team's

496
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 2: value that security mine. The dominoes that you have to

497
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 2: get to to get the quarterback on the field is crazy,

498
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 2: Like both guys have to be like hurt and rolled

499
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 2: out of the game for it even to happen. And like,

500
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 2: so you're just gonna take up a roster spot all

501
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Speaker 2: year long, Like it made sense when Milton was taking

502
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Speaker 2: up a roster spot because, like I just said, he

503
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 2: had developmental upside. I don't see what the upside is

504
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,360
Speaker 2: from carrying like another journeyman no offense to Joshua Dobbs

505
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 2: or you know a guy that like wool reach like

506
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,199
Speaker 2: an undred rookie. I mean, maybe you end up being right.

507
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 2: I just I don't really see that. Along with the

508
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 2: roster crunch, the other thing that I wanted to talk

509
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 2: about with quarterbacks is just what's going on right now

510
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 2: in the building with Drake May learning josh mcdaniels's offense.

511
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Speaker 2: And there's been a lot of talk about the verbiage

512
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 2: and the verbiage change that you know, he's speaking a

513
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 2: different language than he did his rookie year talking about Drake.

514
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm not as worried about the verbiage thing.

515
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 2: It's May like. It's good. This is the time of

516
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 2: year to ask questions and to learn language and do

517
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. So he's asked about at

518
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 2: the podium some people what's the word? Some people interpreted

519
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 2: his answers as he was kind of going through it

520
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 2: a little bit with the verbiage change, or is kind

521
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 2: of going through the process. I don't necessarily worry too

522
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 2: much about that. The one thing that I do have,

523
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 2: like a small sea concern worry about is they're going

524
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,239
Speaker 2: back to putting everything on the quarterback pre snap Solas year,

525
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 2: the center took responsibility, the center made on the line

526
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 2: calls all those types of things of the line of scrimmage,

527
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 2: taking that out of the quarterback's hands. So you know

528
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 2: really quickly, like what that means is, you know, the

529
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 2: MIC is what sets the protection or sets the run

530
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 2: blocking scheme. That's what's pointing everybody in the direction that

531
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: the offense wants it to go in. The MIC can

532
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 2: change a lot of people think the MIC is just

533
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 2: the middle linebacker on every single play. It's not like

534
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 2: if you're sliding or if you're you know, running off

535
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 2: tackle or whatever the case may be. Like your MIC

536
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 2: point might be different from play to play. It will

537
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 2: be different from play to play. So Drake may said

538
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 2: that it's like like he has he's holding the pin

539
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 2: last right before they right before they snap the ball.

540
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: He's gonna hold it last. They like it this way,

541
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 2: it sounds like based off of his answers, they like

542
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,959
Speaker 2: it this way because they feel like the quarterback has

543
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 2: the best view rack there. Right. He can see in

544
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 2: the shotgun and he can see blitzes. He can see

545
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 2: things coming off the edge that maybe the center can't

546
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 2: necessarily see. So I get the the advantages in that respect,

547
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 2: I do worry about putting that on a second year

548
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 2: quarterback and expecting Drake May to get to the line

549
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 2: of scrimmage and be Tom Brady or Peyton manning and

550
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 2: calling out blitzes and sniffing out pressure schemes and moving

551
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 2: mike points and you know, Rita Linda like all his

552
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 2: different types of stuff that they do to slide protections

553
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 2: and like all that minutia. I hope that it's not

554
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 2: too much, you know, they don't put too much on

555
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 2: his plate early. I know Josh McDaniels has talked about

556
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 2: in the past, you know, easing young quarterbacks into that,

557
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 2: easing Mac Jones into it his rookie year, even communicating

558
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 2: in the headset. You know, you have until I think

559
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 2: it's fifteen seconds right to talk to the quarterback through

560
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 2: the headset so that they have that ability. It's may.

561
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 2: I'm not like ready to freak out about it or

562
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 2: anything like that. Like I said, small sea concern, but

563
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 2: just hearing him talk about all the different things. And

564
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 2: we had Josh Dobbs in here yesterday and he was

565
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 2: talking about it. There's a lot on the quarterback. We've

566
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 2: heard that in the past. I mean, what are your

567
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 2: thoughts on them going back to putting everything on the quarterback.

568
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with it because I think

569
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: Drake's up for it. And I think and this is

570
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: something people were worried about at the time. Oh well,

571
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,719
Speaker 1: you look at all Brady had to do and how

572
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: is May going to do that? Do you really think

573
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: they're going to, at least to start give him the

574
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: same volume that they gave Brady, Like it's going to

575
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: be a modified version, right, So I don't think he's

576
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: going to have it. Ideally you build it up to

577
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: that in time. But I'm not super worried about it. Yeah,

578
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: it's different. It's a change. Anytime there's a change, it's

579
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: something that you have to note and.

580
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 2: Pay attention to. But I don't know.

581
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: He's got a good like football IQ, he's got a

582
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: good understanding. He doesn't have to learn it as he's

583
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: coming into the league. He has that base under him

584
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: of what he learned last year. So yeah, I'm not,

585
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: like you said, lower casey concerned.

586
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I tied to his coaches when you last year

587
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: when they drafted U May at North Carolina, and one

588
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 2: of the things that they said was about how he

589
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: underwent a coordinator change from his sophomore year to his

590
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 2: junior year. Phil Loongo was his offensive coordinator his sophomore year.

591
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 2: He's now at Wisconsin. Longo had that was his best

592
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 2: year with me, phil Loongo. Now it's worth mentioning. He

593
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 2: also had Josh Downs on that UNC offense and he

594
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 2: had a little bit more NFL talent around him at

595
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 2: North Carolina in twenty two versus in twenty three, so

596
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 2: that might have contributed as well. Downs was his go

597
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 2: to receiver obviously gets drafted by the Colts. Yeah, I

598
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 2: mean they just had a better team. They had a

599
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,719
Speaker 2: better team, So there's that element of it. But there

600
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 2: was a scheme change. There was a philosophical change in

601
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 2: terms of a lot of the different things they had

602
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 2: him doing, and you know, running the line of scrimmage, footwork,

603
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 2: you know, all that kind of stuff. A lot of

604
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 2: people felt like that contributed to his footwork regression was

605
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 2: going from one style of footwork to another. So it's

606
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 2: something to monitor. I think even concern is even too strong.

607
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 2: It's just something to monitor. With all of this going

608
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 2: on with Drake Macas. Everybody just wants Drake May to

609
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 2: make the year two leap and take that next step,

610
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 2: and we're all hoping for that. But there's a lot

611
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: going on at the same time. You know, there's a

612
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 2: lot of new coaching, new verbiage, new style of play,

613
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: new personnel around him. So it's gonna be interesting to

614
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 2: see how all of this kind of transpires. So those

615
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 2: are the two things I have with quarterbacks. Be interested

616
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 2: to see which one of us is right about the

617
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 2: third quarterback. I just don't see the point of it.

618
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 2: But maybe maybe they end up carrying three. Maybe it's

619
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 2: like you said, it's somebody gets cut and it's like

620
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 2: a veteran and yeah, it doesn't have to be somebody

621
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 2: on the ross right now, yeah'll be clear. All right,

622
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,719
Speaker 2: let's go to running backs. So running backs is interesting.

623
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 2: Ramandra Stevenson, Antonio Gibson obviously the rookie, Traveon Henderson, Terrell

624
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 2: Jennings still kicking around, and Lan Laris and everybody's favorite

625
00:31:55,760 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 2: UDFA running back who's suddenly you know, superstar. I mean, scrimmage,

626
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: that's nothing. I'm just teasing. Uh, here's the deal. To me,

627
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 2: there's a couple of different ways to look at running

628
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 2: back right now. Do they keep four? I think that's

629
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 2: a fair question. Teams are go back and forth with

630
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: three or four. Obviously, if you have four good running backs,

631
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 2: then you probably keep all four. But uh, normally I

632
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: would say three is probably standard across the league.

633
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: I think Vrabel generally in Tennessee kept three.

634
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it also you know, you still have the

635
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: practice squad to stash you know, Terrell Jennings or even

636
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 2: Larison if he doesn't get out of control, you know,

637
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 2: in the preseason and have a huge preseason. So do

638
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 2: they keep all four, you know, including probably Larison with Stevenson,

639
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 2: Gibson and Henderson or I think the other question is

640
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 2: is does Larison play well enough where maybe, like a

641
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 2: guy like Antonio Gibson becomes expendable. I don't think Grimandro

642
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 2: Stevenson is in that converse of being quote unquote expendable

643
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 2: at any point. I think the plan is to have

644
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 2: Rmandra Stevenson here with Traveon Henderson as sort of a

645
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 2: thunder and lightning kind of duo. But maybe Larison Scott

646
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: also has some pass catching ability, has some of that

647
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 2: subpackage run ability receiver out of the backfield, Like could

648
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: he have a great camp and maybe Gibson becomes like

649
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 2: a trade piece or something like that at the end

650
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 2: of training camp. That would be the only way that

651
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 2: I could see Gibson and Stevenson both not being here

652
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 2: is if somebody like Larison makes a really strong push

653
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 2: and they end up flipping Gibson for something, you know,

654
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 2: on roster cutdown day.

655
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: I wouldn't roll it out because Larison has a coverage

656
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: background in special teams, which I don't believe Gibson does.

657
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can actually pull

658
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: that out.

659
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 2: He might have played a little bit lare last year,

660
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 2: but I wouldn't say that he's like a core special

661
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 2: teams guy, Like that's not so.

662
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: I think Larison's done both. He's returned and covered kicks.

663
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: Uh oh No, Gibson's only plays kick return. He hasn't

664
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: played in coverage, so I think Laris and somebody can

665
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: send down the field to like make play. I compared

666
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: him last week to Brandon bolden Right, who is a

667
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: coverage player on special teams as well as a returner.

668
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: If he's gonna give you special teams value and they

669
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: only want to keep three running backs, and he can

670
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: be a early down and passing down guy and can

671
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: fit into either of those roles. I think he absolutely

672
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: could make a push. And if he does, yeah, it's

673
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: Gibson's the guy who's expendable more so than Stevenson. So

674
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: I could see it now. I think there's a possibility

675
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 1: they keep four as well. This is where you get

676
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: into the at large roster spots, which you know, I

677
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: love to talk about positional minimums, So that fourth running

678
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: back is probably competing with We'll get to tight ends, right, ye.

679
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: Are they going to keep three tight ends? Are they

680
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: going to keep three tight ends and a fallback? Is

681
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: the full back going to be the third tight end?

682
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: Like that might be a competition with the fourth running

683
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 1: back or are they going to keep five or six receivers?

684
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: That's what that fourth running back spot's.

685
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 2: Gonna come down to in my mind. Yeah, I'm interested

686
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 2: to see Larrison because the one concern that I had

687
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 2: about him just watching his UC Davis tape, especially against

688
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 2: teams like Cal. When he did play teams that were

689
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 2: FBS level and maybe a level up, the production was

690
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 2: good against Cal like It's not like he had a

691
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 2: bad game, but his play speed and just like his

692
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 2: ability to separate from packs. You know, like when running

693
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 2: backs they get into crowds, and does that running back

694
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 2: have the bursts or the energy to get out of

695
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 2: that crowd and really hit into the big open field

696
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 2: like a Trevon Henderson camp, right, And I just didn't

697
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 2: necessarily see that gear from him.

698
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: Well, but he's not your starting running back, right.

699
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 2: But my question is in terms of him making the

700
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 2: roster and him truly making this interesting, is he going

701
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 2: to have the dynamic play speed to be able to

702
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 2: make yards the same way did in college? Because I

703
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 2: think the difference between what I expected and what I

704
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 2: ended up seeing with Larison is I Larison to me

705
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 2: was actually a better tackle breaker, and he was like

706
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 2: a space player like he was. He's got pretty good

707
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 2: contact balance and ability to avoid tackles. And you know,

708
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 2: he broke one runoff against Calgary. He like shrugs off

709
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 2: like three or four guys right like that. He ran

710
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 2: with a lot of really good power and balance to

711
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 2: his game, whereas I was expecting like a scat back, right,

712
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 2: And that's not what he is to me, at least fifteen. Yeah,

713
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 2: he's definitely more of a of a not a power back,

714
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 2: but like somewhere in between those two things. He's got quickness.

715
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 2: He just doesn't have great burst or straight line speed

716
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 2: or top end speed. So when you get to this level,

717
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 2: you know, is that is he going to be running

718
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 2: in a lot of packs, a lot of crowds. Is

719
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 2: he going to be bottled up a lot? You know,

720
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: that's going to be the questions for him. Is is

721
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 2: he going to be able to really get out into

722
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 2: space and make you know, bigger plays and extend plays

723
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 2: with his you know, as a ball carrier, I think

724
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 2: there was something there with the quickness. You know, he

725
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 2: tested really well in the agilities. You see the jump

726
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 2: cut ability, you see the smoothness with his cuts. You

727
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 2: see that at the top of the route. You know,

728
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 2: you get him matched up against a linebacker as a

729
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,479
Speaker 2: pass catcher, and he's got the ability to get open.

730
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 2: But then he's one of those guys that like gets

731
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 2: open at the top of the route, catches the ball

732
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 2: and goes down right Like he's not one of those

733
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 2: guys that catches the ball at the top of the

734
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 2: route on like an angle route or something like that

735
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 2: and turns like a six yard completion into like a

736
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: twenty yard game. Like that's not this is a guy

737
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 2: that was UDFA. Yeah. So but if he's gonna make

738
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 2: the roster, like that's how he's gonna make it, Like

739
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 2: he's not gonna make the roster as a first and

740
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: second down running back. He's gonna make the roster because

741
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: he can contribute in the pass game and because he

742
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 2: can run in sub package situations. Maybe because he can

743
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 2: play on special teams like and all those.

744
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: I think he can play on early I think he

745
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: can play on early downs or get played on early downs. So,

746
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: by the way, just comparison for speed here, Yeah, laris

747
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: And didn't run at the combine ran a four four

748
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 1: six forty So even if we want to round that

749
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: up pro dain number one, you're gonna four to four

750
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: six at his pro we can round it up to

751
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: a four five.

752
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 2: I don't think he was anywhere close to four four six.

753
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 2: But no, like truly, no disrespect, but like he he

754
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 2: looks like a four to six guy to me.

755
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: Okay even even still, so here's another one that has

756
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: him at four five seven because for five sounds, see

757
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: if I can find his RAS card that four or

758
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: five seven. I think my argument's gonna gonna stand no

759
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: matter what his The math bomb has him at a

760
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: four five seven, so we'll use that four five seven.

761
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 2: Which again is not the end of the world. Like

762
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 2: running back, forty yard dash times for running backs is

763
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 2: not overly important. What do you think that? What do

764
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 2: you think Brandon Bolden wran?

765
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 3: Oh?

766
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: Probably four to six, four six, six, Yeah. What do

767
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 1: you think rex Burke had ran?

768
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? Not well there were four six one, four seven three. Oh.

769
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 2: I didn't realize it was that bad.

770
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm not worried about the top line speed.

771
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 1: I think he can still be the player for that role.

772
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: Is he gonna be a big home run hit or no.

773
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: That's why the draft of Trevion Henderson. You want the

774
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: horme run here? Do you put Travon Henderson in the game?

775
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: I'm not super it's a fair critique. I just don't

776
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 1: think it's going to be that much of a factor

777
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: in terms of that's if they're putting him in a

778
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 1: role where he needs to outrun guys to succeed, that's

779
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: on the coaching staff for putting.

780
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 2: Him in the wrong role. That's fair I I look

781
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 2: at his game and I, like I said the other day,

782
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 2: I know he called me lazy for making the rex

783
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 2: burg Head comparison, but I still feel like that's accurate.

784
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 2: I didn't realize rex Burkhead was as big as he was.

785
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 2: That's why I said that. Yeah, I mean like this,

786
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 2: this the play style, the side, like the all the

787
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 2: measurements like check out to match up with rex Burkhead, uh,

788
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 2: you know, quicker, not fast, you know, I got all

789
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 2: those things.

790
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: I will still because I think he has that defensive

791
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: mentality on the offense side of the ball. I'm still

792
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: gonna put Brandon Bolden out there. But they're bold and

793
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: rex Burke Att are similar players.

794
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so sure enough. All right, let's go to receivers. Yeah,

795
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 2: this is a lengthy list, so i'll i'll, we got

796
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 2: twelve names here, uh, Stefan Diggs, Matt Collins, Damario Douglas,

797
00:39:55,719 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 2: Kyle Williams, Kendrick Bourne, Kai, Shan Boodie, Jalen Polk, jayvon Baker,

798
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 2: John Giles, e Ft and Chisholm, Demir Blancamozy and Blank Music,

799
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 2: Blank Musy and Jeremiah Webb. So that's twelve names currently

800
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 2: at wide receiver. As Paul Perla likes to say, don't

801
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 2: mistake a lot of names for having a good receiver room,

802
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: right you bl BLANKEM see, there's a lot of names there.

803
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 2: A couple of facilitation questions that I jotted down. The

804
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 2: consensus seems to be that Stefan Diggs in some capacity,

805
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 2: whether it's pup or on the roster. Well, this is

806
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 2: what makes it tough.

807
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,720
Speaker 1: If we're talking about the fifty three rosters there rosters

808
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 1: for this first question, then we'll get to that second part.

809
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 1: For this first question, let's assume that Stefan Diggs is

810
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: going to start the week one on the fifty three,

811
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: on the fifty three, Stefan Diggs, MC collins, Pop Douglas,

812
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: Kyle Williams. Those feel like the four locks consensus locks

813
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: yes at this point. So my question, for the sake

814
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: of facilitation is among this group that I'm about to

815
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: name a four play, who is the safest receiver out

816
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: of these four Kendrick Bourne, Yeah, Kayshaun Boody Yeah, Jalen Polk,

817
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: Javon Baker.

818
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 2: So if that's the group right, like that.

819
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: Right in theory, because they're gonna keep five and then

820
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: the questions would they keep six and what happens with you?

821
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 4: Right?

822
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 5: Right?

823
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 1: In theory, it should be Jalen Polk just because usually

824
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: teams give a second round pick the way Rabel Wolf Cowden,

825
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: the way they've taken a hatchet to this roster. Yeah,

826
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: I don't think that that holds weight or significant weight.

827
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,959
Speaker 1: Maybe a little bit, but like, I don't think they'd

828
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: be afraid to move on from a second round pick.

829
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: I don't think they would. So I'm gonna go with

830
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 1: Kendrick Bourne with the caveat. So I think it's Kendrick

831
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: Bourne because McDaniel's had a lot of success with him

832
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. This coaching staff seems to be

833
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: really big in a familiarity. Who are guys we know

834
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: we can work with, Who are guys we know?

835
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 2: What do we want? Bloah whatever, you know. I love

836
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 2: this stat.

837
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: Before he hit COVID in twenty twenty one, Kendrick Born

838
00:41:58,800 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: was on a thousand yard pace.

839
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he was on a thousand yard pace

840
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 2: in twenty three too, with Bill O'Brien in similar offense.

841
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 1: So it's really un I think Kendrick Borne is a

842
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: really good player that there's been a series of unfortunate

843
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: events that they've never been able to tap into his potential.

844
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 2: But here's the reality of it.

845
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: As big of a fan of his as I am,

846
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: and I say this all the time, right, Kendrick Bourne,

847
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: I'll find a spot on my team for that guy

848
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 1: any day. He's gonna be thirty years old in August,

849
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 1: and he had a significant nee injury, so two years

850
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:31,720
Speaker 1: removed from the ACL that's encouraging. If Bourne is healthy

851
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: and explosive and maybe isn't exactly the player he wasn't

852
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, but is a lot closer to that

853
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: than he was last year, and that knees continue to

854
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: heal well and he has another gear beyond where he

855
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: was at last year coming right off that rehab. I

856
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: think it's Kendrick Bourne because again, I think the familiarity

857
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: with McDaniels that's going to hold a lot of weight

858
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: if it's not. If Bourne's out there and he just

859
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: can't move, like the knees not bouncing back, right, and

860
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: it's he turned thirty, and I'm not rooting. I hope

861
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: he's the guy like I wanted to be the guy,

862
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: because I think he has the highest seeling of any

863
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: of those players. But if like physically, he can't do it,

864
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: then I think it's Kayshaun Booty because you need a

865
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: true X. It's between him and him and Javon Baker.

866
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: He's proven more. I think he has more the mental

867
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: makeup they're looking for, so that I think it would

868
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,720
Speaker 1: go to kaisha On Boody. But if he's fully healthy

869
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: with that, which I acknowledge is a relatively big if,

870
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: if he's fully healthy, it should be Kendrick Borne.

871
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I would say Kendrick Borne as well

872
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 2: for all the same reasons. Twenty twenty one really solid

873
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 2: year under Josh McDaniels. I think that familiarity, especially in

874
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 2: an offense like this that is harder to grasp for

875
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 2: wide receivers, it's just gonna give him a nice leg up.

876
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: It's the same offense essentially that he ran in twenty

877
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 2: three with Bill O'Brien to and had similar success. So

878
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 2: he's got proven commodity or you know, proven proof of

879
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 2: concept in O'Brien and in McDaniels' offense. It's very almost

880
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 2: like nine to nine percent similar playbooks, and he's done

881
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 2: good in both of them, whereas with Jalen Polk and

882
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 2: Javon Baker Kaisham Boudi to an extent, he's with O'Brien

883
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 2: in twenty three, so I guess he had a little

884
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 2: bit of a taste of it. Remember he played one

885
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 2: weekday knows it, but he was in the program ye

886
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:17,479
Speaker 2: at that point. But for all intents and purposes, those

887
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 2: guys are young players that are going to be learning

888
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 2: a complex offense on the fly here coming up, and

889
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 2: Kendrick Boren is going to come in and already have

890
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 2: a really good feel for what they're trying to do. Now,

891
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 2: what hurts to other than the injury and the explosiveness

892
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 2: and all those types of things that you talked about,

893
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 2: what hurts him to me the most is redundancy. And

894
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 2: I understand that they've gotten into trouble in the past

895
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 2: by caring too much about redundancy. But we're not talking

896
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 2: about the draft. We're talking about putting together a roster.

897
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 2: And if you're putting together a wide receiver room, the

898
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 2: ideal wide receiver room to me is like a basketball lineup,

899
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 2: Like you have a one through five. You have a

900
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 2: point guard all the way up to the center right

901
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: so you have big guys and small guys, you have

902
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 2: different types of skill sets. Kendrick Bourne to me, is

903
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 2: like Stefan Diggs is sort of gonna be in a

904
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 2: similar mold. Ahead of him on the depth chart. You're

905
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 2: gonna want to play Kyle Williams, so he's the other

906
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 2: similar skill set. Jalen Polk and Kendrick Bourne both have

907
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 2: similar skill sets. And Jalen Polk as the younger player,

908
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 2: year two, first second round pick, rookie contract, like all

909
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 2: those different things, right, So if you look at redundancy,

910
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 2: you know there's three or four guys on this roster

911
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 2: that all plays similarly to Kendrick Bourne. And Kendrick Bourne

912
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 2: is the oldest, and he has the most injury history,

913
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 2: and he's the most expensive besides Diggs. So when you

914
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,919
Speaker 2: add all that up, like it might not be great

915
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 2: for Kendrick Bourne, but if he plays well enough, I

916
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 2: think that ultimately they will just take the most talented

917
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 2: five guys.

918
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: They have to keep talent at that position. And I

919
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: think I'm with you on the redundancy thing, but with

920
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: these guys specifically, it's versatility. They can all line up

921
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: at all three spots, so it's not. It'd be one

922
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: thing if you had like three true X receive and

923
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: that's what they do and that's what they play.

924
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 2: But like.

925
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: They can all play all three spots, so you can

926
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: have all of them on the field at the same time.

927
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 1: I don't think it's quite as redundant.

928
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 2: I just wonder you know you mentioned with Booty. Booty

929
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 2: is a guy that can truly play on the outside. Yeah,

930
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 2: he might not be the most productive X receiver in

931
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,280
Speaker 2: the league, but he can truly play on the outside

932
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 2: at a high volume like he did last year. I

933
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 2: don't know if Diggs, Williams or Bourne and certainly not

934
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 2: Pop or any of those guys are truly going to

935
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,720
Speaker 2: be playing five hundred snaps at the X like Khan

936
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 2: Boody could. So that means that if you put that

937
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 2: group together, somebody's playing on the outside that's probably best

938
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,760
Speaker 2: used in a different role, you know, whether that's Digs

939
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 2: or it's Kyle Williams, one of those guys is going

940
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 2: to have to play on the outside, or it's mc

941
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 2: collins that's playing a high volume on the outside. Just

942
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 2: as like I like to say, the sacrificial X role, right,

943
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 2: like just just to be out there, so maybe that

944
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 2: they're comfortable with that booty I find fascinating in this

945
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 2: room because he probably has the most trade value out

946
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 2: of any of these guys. I would say, younger player,

947
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 2: rookie contract cost controlled, had a nice year last year,

948
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 2: you know, almost six hundred yards right last year kind

949
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 2: of a Usually when you see receivers start to break

950
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 2: out like that five point fifty mark is like the

951
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 2: the the line of demarcation right. Once they get over that,

952
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 2: you kind of feel like that receiver is starting to

953
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 2: come on a little bit and might have even more

954
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 2: in the tank, so to speak. So Kaishan Boody, it's

955
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 2: good and bad right in terms of him here. On

956
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 2: the one hand, you could look at Kaishan Boody and say,

957
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 2: this is a third year receiver with upside with promise

958
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 2: that we like. Or you could sit there and say,

959
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 2: if he's the odd man out, we probably could get

960
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 2: the most for him in a trade. And you know

961
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 2: which way do you fall on that with Kaishan Boody.

962
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 2: Would you rather try to continue to develop him or

963
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 2: would you shop him?

964
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: I mean it depends what they think is upside is

965
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: if they think he can be like a fringe thousand

966
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: yard receivert like you know, eight nine hundred yard guy,

967
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: and that's probably what he's gonna cap out at. I'd

968
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: probably trade him. Yeah, if you think he can be

969
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: like a twelve hundred yard receiver, like a true number one,

970
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: obviously you keep him.

971
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, last one on the receiver. So I know it's

972
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 2: a topic of interest obviously. Yeah. Uh, Jalen Polkin, Javon Baker,

973
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 2: I don't know how secure they are. Like you said,

974
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 2: it's a new regime, it's a new coach and there's

975
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 2: a new sheriff in town. You know, as much as

976
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 2: the sunk costs of two was Javon Baker's like one

977
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 2: oh five right in the fourth round in his dream

978
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 2: one sixteen? Wasn't he taken after Laydon Robinson? You could

979
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 2: be right about that, Yeah, job one ten, So two

980
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 2: guys that were drafted high. Lane Romson was one of three. Yeah,

981
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 2: one one at thirty seven and one at one ten.

982
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 2: Does that's investment in both those guys, But it wasn't

983
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 2: like Rabel or Ryan Cowden's investment, right, it was somebody

984
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 2: else's investment. I just wonder, you know what they think

985
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 2: about those guys now, you know, Baker is a program

986
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 2: type of guy that you wonder if he's going to

987
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 2: be on the program, right, you got to get him

988
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 2: on the tracks. Jalen Polk, I think it's more, uh

989
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 2: that Kyle Williams and Stefan Diggs are just kind of

990
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 2: more explosive versions of Jalen Polk and they have maybe

991
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 2: another gear, more dynamic play speed than what Jalen Polk

992
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 2: even coming out. If you thought that that Jalen Polk

993
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 2: was going to hit, I still think you watch Kyle

994
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 2: Williams play and you see a guy that has an

995
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 2: extra gear than what Jalen Polk is going to bring

996
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 2: to the table. So I'm interested to see what happens

997
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 2: with those guys. Fton Chisholm is the one other guy

998
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 2: I wanted to mention. He's a McDaniel slot right right

999
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:50,399
Speaker 2: to be in the conversation. You can call me lazy

1000
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 2: for that one too if you want, but you know

1001
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 2: he's fair. He's a McDaniel slot. And we've talked in

1002
00:49:56,280 --> 00:50:00,919
Speaker 2: the past about Tomario Douglas being probably we best used

1003
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 2: is like in the more like the am Mondola to

1004
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 2: an Edelman than an Edelman to an Ammondola. You know,

1005
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 2: guy that's more of like a three receiver package eleven

1006
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 2: personnel package player in the slot, not a high more

1007
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 2: vertically Yeah, not a high volume guy like that sort

1008
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 2: of thing. Fton Chisholm is one of those first and

1009
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 2: second level jitterbugs, like that's what he does. I don't

1010
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 2: know if he'll make the roster. He might be a

1011
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 2: UDFAU practice squad stash for a year and then maybe

1012
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 2: move up, you know, try to see if he can

1013
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 2: make a push as we go along here. But I'm

1014
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 2: not ruling out Efton Chisholm, like I'm not ruling out

1015
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 2: Land Lar. Yeah. I'm not ruling out either.

1016
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: And the thing with Laris and I meant to bring up,

1017
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 1: is he got a pretty significant signing bonus.

1018
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, for u DFA that's usually a TEL.

1019
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if we have the number on the

1020
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: exact number on Chishm, but I thought I saw something

1021
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: somewhere that he got a decent chunk of change too.

1022
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's wide receiver. I know we're gonna unpack

1023
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 2: that seventeen more times between now and September. Oh yes,

1024
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 2: be fun. And so next position here tight end slash

1025
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 2: full back. I put them both together, Hunter Henry Austin Hooper,

1026
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 2: Jaheem Bell, Jack Westover still on the ninety He's still here. CJ.

1027
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 2: Dupree my guy from Alabama, Brock Lampy the full back

1028
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,479
Speaker 2: from Northern Illinois, true full back. And G. Scott Junior,

1029
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 2: another undrafted rookie who the Patriots are reportedly adding. So

1030
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 2: seven names, you know, pretty good amount of tight ends

1031
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 2: on a roster usually only carried two or three.

1032
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,479
Speaker 1: Well, we know Mike rabel As said at the owners meetings,

1033
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: Can we build a whole thing out of tight end?

1034
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 2: Yeah? I'm sure he would love that. So I think

1035
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 2: the biggest question that I have at tight end is

1036
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 2: breaking this down of Jaheem Bell versus Dupree and Lampy,

1037
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 2: and more so specifically to Bell, like is Bell's future

1038
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 2: as a full back? Like can they convert Jaheim Bell

1039
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 2: into or at least more like a you know, a

1040
00:51:58,120 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 2: guy that's a Swiss army knife that can maybe do

1041
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 2: a little bit of everything. But would Jaheim Bell have

1042
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 2: to be catered more towards a full back role to

1043
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 2: push this roster? You know, Depree's more of like the

1044
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 2: prototypical why prototypical inline tight end option if they want

1045
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 2: to go that way. Bell's not that Bell's not going

1046
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 2: to put his hand in the dirt and be a

1047
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 2: sixth offensive lineman like I think Deprie is more like that,

1048
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 2: and then Lampi is a true fullback, so he's got

1049
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 2: the experience, and then Bell's like kind of in the

1050
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 2: middle of those two guys. So what I'm interested with,

1051
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:29,879
Speaker 2: you know, the third tight end spot they do keep

1052
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 2: three is what what what's their flavor?

1053
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 6: Right?

1054
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 2: Like, what kind of guy are they going to go

1055
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,439
Speaker 2: for here? It should be interesting. What are your thoughts

1056
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 2: on Jaem Bell And do you think that he's going

1057
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 2: to transition to full back? Do you think that they

1058
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 2: have another role in mind for him? Where does he

1059
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,439
Speaker 2: stand right now? Yeah?

1060
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: I think like you said it all, it all kind

1061
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: of comes down to fit, right. If they want that

1062
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 1: more h back move role, then maybe it's Jehem Bell,

1063
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,320
Speaker 1: but he's gonna have to improve as a blocker. But

1064
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: if it's going to be the traditional Josh McDaniels thing,

1065
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: like we talked about the fton Jis Brock, Lampy's the

1066
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: traditional Josh McDaniels.

1067
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 2: Fallback six' one two, sixty built like a brick.

1068
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: Wall he's, like if the plan is for the fullback

1069
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: more often than not to go into THE a gap

1070
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: and meet a linebacker who's gonna fare better in that,

1071
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,439
Speaker 1: collision Brock lampy Or Dagen, bell that's just not Really

1072
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: Jaheen bell's play. Style he's more like A kyle used

1073
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: check kind of. Guy Brock lampy's your your outright lead.

1074
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 1: Blockers so if that's what they're looking for the traditional

1075
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 1: McDaniel's fall, back It's. Lampy if they want the More

1076
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: kyle used check move, guy THEN i Think bell is a.

1077
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: Shot AND i also think maybe G scott has a

1078
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: chance at. That the guy was a four star wide

1079
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: receiver recruit coming out of high school and then move

1080
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: to tight end after his first. Year puts some weight

1081
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: on move tight end after his first year at Highest

1082
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: see he's really an untapped, Player like he didn't get

1083
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,479
Speaker 1: a ton of run At Ohio state and he's playing

1084
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: a new position all.

1085
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 2: That so we'll see what they do with.

1086
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 1: Him but If josh McDaniels wants the Next James devlin

1087
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,919
Speaker 1: wants the Next Yakub, johnson is Brock.

1088
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 2: Lampy, Yeah. Uh the one QUESTION i had With Jaim,

1089
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 2: bell you, know moving more to the full back role

1090
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 2: is like he's kind of high. Cut like he's a

1091
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 2: taller guy and he's kind of high. Cut when you

1092
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 2: think of full, backs you want guys that can really

1093
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 2: get leverage and like get underneath players and have play

1094
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 2: with good pad level and uh you you typically want

1095
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 2: them built more uh you, know, stouter more compact Like

1096
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 2: Brock lampy's built, right like you know six, one two.

1097
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 2: Sixty you don't want six, three two fifty or two

1098
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 2: forty five Like Jaimee. Bell you want a guy that is,

1099
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 2: uh you, know lower to the ground to get that

1100
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 2: leverage and get that pad level. Advantage so if he's

1101
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:39,439
Speaker 2: gonna play full, back like does he have the flexibility

1102
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 2: in his lower body and that you, know to to

1103
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 2: sink and get underneath guys and really square guys up

1104
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 2: and things like. THAT i don't, know like you, said

1105
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 2: if that's necessarily his. Game, NOW i know there's a

1106
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,399
Speaker 2: lot of people that would probably love a full back

1107
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 2: that's more of a passing, thread you, know that's Not.

1108
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 2: Lampy Like, lampy if you release him out of the

1109
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 2: backside and he's like the check down option on the

1110
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 2: left side of the field or the right side of the. Field, like,

1111
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 2: yeah he'll catch the ball and like he'll rumble for

1112
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 2: a few extra yards and go. Down Like i'm not

1113
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 2: saying he's a complete zero in terms of, That like

1114
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 2: he has enough hands to like just catch checkdowns and

1115
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 2: things like. That but with Jaheem bell in, theory and

1116
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 2: again this is more in. Theory he's never actually done,

1117
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 2: it we've never seen. It but in, theory you might

1118
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,439
Speaker 2: be able to have him run some more dynamic routes

1119
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 2: like you Mentioned kyle used check, right someone that could

1120
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,320
Speaker 2: could potentially run a, wheel you, know down the sideline

1121
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 2: out of the backfield or something like. That so would

1122
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 2: it be worth it to make that transition to a more,

1123
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 2: dynamic a more athletic full back like A Jaheen bell

1124
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 2: that might not be the battering ram That lampy, is

1125
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 2: but might be someone that can add a little bit

1126
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 2: more in the passing.

1127
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: Game, well this is where SO I vrabel's gonna put

1128
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 1: his fingerprints on, this, RIGHT i think back to what

1129
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: he had In. Tennessee he And Jaheen. Bell, yeah But

1130
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: Jeeene bell is a tight. End, yeah they used them

1131
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: like AN h back With Jahem bell is a tight?

1132
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,240
Speaker 2: End you Mean John? Smith Johnny? Smith, yes thank, You Johnny.

1133
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 2: Smith so.

1134
00:55:59,120 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 6: Is it.

1135
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: There's another way we could frame this, conversation BECAUSE i

1136
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,399
Speaker 1: think they had a true fall back to at least early.

1137
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: On they may not have the whole, time BUT i

1138
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,879
Speaker 1: think they did early. On is It Jahem bell Versus

1139
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: Brock lampy or is It Jeheen bell versus. C. J?

1140
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 2: Duprie?

1141
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 1: Yeah and is it we think they want that third

1142
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 1: blocking tight end and got some, athleticism might have some

1143
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 1: receiving upside Or, okay we have our two traditional inline tight.

1144
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: Ends they're gonna, Block they'll be. Fine Jahem bell is

1145
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 1: gonna be our move tight, end our h back Or

1146
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: john New. Smith but then we'll also still Have Brock

1147
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 1: lampy when we want.

1148
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 2: To GO i and just run. Down so that'd be

1149
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 2: four guys at that. SPOT i, mean it's Obviously lampy

1150
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 2: is a full, back but it's all kind of. One

1151
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 2: this is what we talked. About how many running backs

1152
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 2: do you?

1153
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 7: Keep?

1154
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 2: It, yeah so maybe you keep three running backs and

1155
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 2: you can keep if you.

1156
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: Decide all, right you, know we're good with you, know

1157
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna Keep Land, Larison we're gonna Cut Antonio gibson

1158
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: orf they're gonna move on From. Larison and it's only

1159
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: a three running back. Room that's how you get away from.

1160
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 2: That MAYBE i just can't imagine A josh McDaniel's offense

1161
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,839
Speaker 2: without a full. Back it's just so ingrained in. Him

1162
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 2: like regular, personnel you, know twenty one they call it.

1163
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 2: Regular like when you call something, regular, yeah that it

1164
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 2: means that that's like a base foundation element to your. Offense, right, so,

1165
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,839
Speaker 2: uh twenty one, personnel two, back full, back running back

1166
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 2: in the, Backfield like that's that's what McDaniels go. To

1167
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 2: AND i feel Like whenevers hits the fan for The

1168
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 2: patriots offense with, McDaniel's whether it was nineteen twenty twenty, one,

1169
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 2: eight you, know really, eighteen nineteen twenty twenty, one what

1170
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 2: do they go? To they put, Them they put the

1171
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 2: quarterback under, center they put the two backs behind, him

1172
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 2: and they're running, downhill right like That that's what you

1173
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 2: go to when you want to close out a game

1174
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 2: when you're not moving the ball through the air and you're, Struggling,

1175
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 2: like what we're gonna go to our, regular we're gonna

1176
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 2: go to our base, stuff our day one, install and

1177
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 2: we're gonna run lead iso right at, you and we're

1178
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 2: gonna we're gonna try to move the ball by running it.

1179
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 2: Downhill until McDaniels doesn't do that and doesn't have that

1180
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 2: in his in his back of, Trade i'm not going

1181
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 2: to believe that he he'll roster a team without a full.

1182
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 2: Back but, again are you doing that stuff With Jahem? Bell?

1183
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 2: Right you could, be you could be either, way but

1184
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 2: he's that guy or in, Theory and as we move

1185
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 2: on to the offensive, line like you could do it

1186
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 2: with a sixth offensive. Lineman now that's really a, tell,

1187
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 2: like now you're really telling the defense that you're going

1188
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 2: to probably be eighty five eighty twenty maybe run pass,

1189
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 2: right like you're really telling the defense at that point

1190
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 2: that you're running the. Football BUT i broke up tackles

1191
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 2: and interior offensive lineman for the sake of the. Exercise

1192
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 2: so let's start with, Tackles Will, Campbell, Morgan moses of,

1193
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 2: course But Darian, Lowe Caden, Wallace Dematri, jacobs And Marcus

1194
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 2: bryant The patriots seventh round. Pick So Will, Campbell Morgan

1195
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 2: moses is your. Starters they're obviously going to be here left,

1196
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 2: tackle right. Tackle the fascinating CONVERSATION i, had you, know

1197
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 2: or have with these the next couple of spots. Here,

1198
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 2: yeah a couple of. Questions Darian. Lowe we talked about

1199
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 2: this a little bit last, WEEK i, think and we've

1200
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 2: talked about a little bit in the. Past vadarian low

1201
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 2: is a one position. Backup Vatarian lowe is a left tackle.

1202
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 2: Backup he is not very good at right. Tackle he's

1203
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 2: not a. Guard you, know he's not going to play.

1204
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 2: Inside if you're on AN nfl team as a, backup

1205
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 2: it's it's kind of hard to make a roster as

1206
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 2: a one position Multipositional and the same can be said For. Dematra,

1207
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 2: yeah AND i would say really on the offensive line in,

1208
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 2: general like that's in. PARTICULAR i, mean it's really hard

1209
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 2: to make the team as a, seventh d eighth offensive

1210
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 2: lineman if you have no position flex like you were

1211
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 2: just locked into left. Tackle, now my other question.

1212
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: Said he'd like that's something they're gonna value from backup

1213
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 1: Offensive i'm in a particular ability to play right so

1214
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 1: Is Vaderian.

1215
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 2: Lowe what's his? Status what you know what's his future

1216
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 2: as a one position. Backup AND i still have not

1217
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,439
Speaker 2: totally given up On Cayden. Wallace, yeah we haven't seen

1218
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 2: him mainly is the reason he didn't play basically at

1219
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 2: all his rookie. Years So i'm, like you know some

1220
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 2: of the other rookies that we did see play last

1221
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 2: year where you might be a little bit lukewarm on

1222
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 2: them at this, Point Kden wallace is kind of like

1223
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 2: this unknown character and all of. This, now my expectation

1224
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 2: or my hope With Kayden wallace is that they are

1225
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 2: training him to play right tackle Once Morgan moses decides

1226
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 2: to hang it, up or at least that's the. Idea

1227
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 2: right that he's in the developmental.

1228
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 1: Plant see what you have a, Year see what you

1229
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 1: get if You if you think that he can be that,

1230
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 1: guy you keep.

1231
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 2: Developing if, not you didn't do.

1232
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 1: It with live bullets, flying and, right you draft somebody next.

1233
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 2: Year so k Kidden wallace as the right tackle and

1234
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 2: waiting if you want to call it. THAT i think

1235
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 2: there is some ability for him to maybe potentially play

1236
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 2: a little bit of guard if you wanted to do.

1237
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 2: That so the question more is is, like do you

1238
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:47,439
Speaker 2: Keep Kayden wallace on the track of just you're gonna

1239
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 2: play right tackle and we're, gonna you, know earmark you

1240
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 2: as the right tackle of the future To Morgan, moses

1241
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 2: or do you move him around and try to find

1242
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 2: places for him to, play whether it's left, guard whether

1243
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 2: it's swim. Tackle you, know being able to go both

1244
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 2: ways at, tackle you know which way do you go

1245
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 2: With Kaden?

1246
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 1: Wallace SO i think you keep him as a developmental

1247
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 1: right tackle. Prospect that doesn't mean he can't maybe give

1248
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: you some right guard snaps if you. Need certainly would

1249
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,479
Speaker 1: be to your. Point if that's the, group he's gonna

1250
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 1: be your sixth offensive, lineman and we saw him do

1251
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 1: that last, year be that jumbo tight. Ends so, YEAH

1252
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 1: i figure that would be his. Role to me With Vederian,

1253
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: lowe it comes back To Marcus. Bryant, yeah Because Marcus

1254
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 1: bryant is a true swing. Tackle is he a good?

1255
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: One is he AN nfl caliber? One that's what we're

1256
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 1: gonna have to figure out In july And.

1257
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 2: August but LIKE I i think people get a.

1258
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 1: Little too On Vederian lowe's, case like he's not a

1259
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 1: starting caliber. Player he's not in they shouldn't have created

1260
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 1: a situation where he was starting last. Year BUT i

1261
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 1: think he's like AN nfl caliber. Backup we saw that last,

1262
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: year like there were spots where he.

1263
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 2: Could hold his.

1264
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: Own it wasn't consistent enough to be a. Starter but

1265
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 1: he can only play that left. Side like you, said

1266
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 1: If Marcus bryant can play the left, side it closed

1267
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 1: two or at or better the same level as very

1268
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 1: low and then play on the right side at a similar. Level,

1269
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 1: well if you have two guys who are similar caliber

1270
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 1: left tackles but one can also play right, tackle that's

1271
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 1: a no brainer who you're. Keeping so to, me IT'S

1272
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: i Think, Campbell, moses And wallace are on the. Team

1273
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 1: It's Vederian, Lowe Marcus, bryant and if you want to

1274
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 1: Throw Demontre jacobs in, there you can for the last.

1275
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 2: SPOT i do think they'll carry four. Tackles i'm pretty

1276
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 2: much with. YOU i think what's.

1277
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: Interesting but then the, idea, sorry but then the idea would,

1278
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 1: be If bryant proves he can be a true Swing

1279
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 1: Morgan moses moves. On Will campbell's you're starting, Left Cane

1280
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 1: wallace you're starting. Right Marcus bryant's you're back up at

1281
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 1: both spots and you're keeping, three, right you're keeping three.

1282
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 1: Tackles long, term you just need to keep an extra

1283
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: guy this year while you Develop.

1284
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 2: WALLACE i find it, LIKE i think there's a real

1285
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 2: possibility and hopefully this Will campbell's healthy his entirerogy. Year

1286
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 2: we don't have to find. Out BUT i think there's

1287
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 2: a real possibility that a guy Like Marcus, bryant like you,

1288
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 2: said could be a swing, tackle BECAUSE i think he

1289
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 2: did a little bit more of that At missouri and

1290
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 2: there's some more of that in his, game all. RIGHT

1291
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 2: i think he was AT smu first and Then. Missouri.

1292
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 2: Uh but With marcus Bryan, like isn't there a world

1293
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 2: where if they needed somebody to go in at all

1294
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 2: left tackle that he probably gets to call Over Kadon,

1295
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 2: Wallace And Kaden wallace is like just focused on playing

1296
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 2: the right left.

1297
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 1: Tackle oh, yeah, NO I i don't Want Kane wallace

1298
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 1: to be the backup left.

1299
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 2: Tackle, Yeah so you want him to be in a

1300
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 2: developmental pipeline for right tackle and then and he can

1301
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 2: play jumbo title, yeah right, right and then duke it

1302
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 2: out for the swing tackle between Low jacobs And.

1303
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 1: Brian, Well i'm kind of, well it would. BE i

1304
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 1: don't know If brian is the swing, tackle and if,

1305
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 1: not it's Just low And. Jacobs and you're committing the

1306
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 1: carrot because in this, case you're moving on From Marcus, bryant,

1307
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 1: Right you're now committing to carrying four tackles and you're

1308
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 1: gonna have to find it Another.

1309
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 2: And then was backing Up campbell And wallace is backing Up.

1310
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 2: Moses that that could definitely be where it goes as.

1311
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 2: Well SO i THINK i Think brian, died no, doubt

1312
01:03:57,560 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 2: he just got. Drafted the other two guys have been

1313
01:03:59,160 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 2: in the.

1314
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 1: League, brian it Has and WHEN i say, THIS i

1315
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 1: mean as a, Backup bryant has much more upside Than

1316
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 1: jacob's are, well, YEAH i, Agree, WELL i mean in

1317
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 1: terms of, UPSIDE i, agree, yeah just the ability to

1318
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 1: play both.

1319
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 2: Sides, YEAH i think the ability to swing. Times BECAUSE

1320
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 2: i agree with you Is Vaderian. Low LIKE i don't

1321
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 2: Think Vanderian low's. AWFUL i Think Vaderian low's inconsistent and

1322
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 2: because of, that he's not a, starter, right because he

1323
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 2: has these mental apses where he's you, know not lining

1324
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 2: up correctly or jumping off side or just not locked

1325
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 2: in every, snap and that's why he's not a. Starter

1326
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 2: but there are starting level reps On Vaderian lowe's. Tape

1327
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 2: it's just you can't just ignore the bad, stuff, right

1328
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 2: and that's why you know it was such a. Need

1329
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 2: But Vaderian low's AN nfl player in terms, of you,

1330
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 2: know being a backup left. Tackle he's just only a

1331
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 2: backup left, tackle which makes things complicated for. Him let's

1332
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 2: move to interior offensive. Line there's a lot of names

1333
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 2: here as, well some interesting, battles certainly a left, guard

1334
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:00,919
Speaker 2: BUT i also think the is a battle at. CENTER

1335
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 2: I i don't think that that's a shoe in For

1336
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 2: Garrett bradberry saying that's his free Agency Mike Leyden, Robinson Garrett,

1337
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 2: Bradberry Jared, Wilson Cole Strange city So Ben, Brown Tyres,

1338
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 2: Robinson West, Sweitzer Jack, Conley. Colbert, oh so that is

1339
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 2: eleven names at an interior offensive. Line they are. Obvious,

1340
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 2: yes they're obviously not going to keep eleven interior offensive too.

1341
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 2: Many they probably are going to keep four or. Five

1342
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 2: four is probably more. Likely the two questions THAT i

1343
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 2: THAT i have here are you, know obviously left. Guard

1344
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 2: that's one of the biggest camp BATTLES i think across the,

1345
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 2: board but really open the guy that uh that that's

1346
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 2: the true wild card here to me Is Jared, wilson

1347
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 2: because straight, up there's a world Where Jared wilson beats

1348
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 2: Out bradberry for the starting center. JOB i think that

1349
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 2: is a real real case for that you're talking about in?

1350
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 1: Camp, yeah BECAUSE i think week, one, RIGHT i think

1351
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 1: what this is all about Is Jared wilson's going to

1352
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 1: start at center at some point this year for The.

1353
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 1: Patriots it's just a matter of how Long Garrett bradbury

1354
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 1: can hold him. Off, yeah or at least by twenty six,

1355
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 1: CERTAINLY i think even maybe late this.

1356
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 2: Year so, YEAH i think it's. DEAD i think it's

1357
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 2: a definitely possibility to the year.

1358
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 8: Start.

1359
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 1: Well but here's the, thing Is Garrett bradbury one of these,

1360
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 1: guys because this goes to the, numbers Is Garrett bradbury

1361
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 1: one of these guys that is a veteran six year

1362
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 1: starter in the. League is he here no matter what

1363
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 1: or is it start or he's not on the.

1364
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 2: Team it's a good question and the, Contract i'm sure you,

1365
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 2: know the numbers come out and it's all inflated and

1366
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 2: stuff like. That they can get out of. It they

1367
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 2: can probably get out of the. Contract it's that's the

1368
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,479
Speaker 2: question THAT i, Have like Is Garrett bradbury truly? Safe

1369
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 2: because If Jared wilson comes into, camp AND i know

1370
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 2: it's people that are on his side or in his

1371
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 2: camp THAT i talk, to But i've talked to some

1372
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 2: people for the future That i'm writing about him on the,

1373
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 2: website and, like the guy is just supremely. Talented like

1374
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 2: the words that you're hearing about him are like special

1375
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:01,960
Speaker 2: in terms of his fish. Traits you, know he falls

1376
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 2: in the draft of the third round because he's a

1377
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 2: one year starter and he plays center, right so it's

1378
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,440
Speaker 2: not a position of, value and he only played one

1379
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 2: year At. Georgia but everybody you here talk to him

1380
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 2: is comparing him to some pretty high, comps, right like

1381
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 2: not quite Like Jason, kelcey but like the cop THAT

1382
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 2: i got From Duke, manny whether was Like eric McCoy

1383
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 2: And New orleans who's been with The danes last week

1384
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 2: had a good? One do you? REMEMBER i remember he had,

1385
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 2: one AND i don't remember who he said find? It so,

1386
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 2: regardless like that there's the word uniquely, talented special in

1387
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 2: terms of his, traits the. Athleticism the real question With

1388
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 2: Jared wilson is, like can He Rodney, Hudson Rodney hudson great?

1389
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 2: Player like the real question With Jared wilson is mentally

1390
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 2: can he catch on quick enough to be A week one?

1391
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 2: Starter AND i know we disagree a little bit on,

1392
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 2: this and that's WHY i wanted to bring it. UP

1393
01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 2: i believe that it's there's a world Where Jared wilson's

1394
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 2: playing left guard as a rookie because if he plays left,

1395
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 2: guard there's no not, no but there's very there's less

1396
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 2: mental tax on him than playing. Center, yeah but he's

1397
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 2: still one of their best five.

1398
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 1: Blockers but then how is he gonna learn that that

1399
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:16,760
Speaker 1: mental stuff that he needs to learn to play?

1400
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 2: Center, well couldn't he learn all that? Stuff?

1401
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 1: Still LIKE i don't know what's holding him, back you,

1402
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 1: know just being ready to. PLAY i think at a

1403
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 1: certain point you have to do it to learn. It

1404
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:27,639
Speaker 1: that position it's.

1405
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 2: DIFFERENT i just wonder if there's a world AND i don't,

1406
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 2: WONDER i think there could be a world Where campbell

1407
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 2: and is left to Right, Campbell Jared, Wilson Garrett bradby

1408
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:41,559
Speaker 2: When Morgan moses is your five best offensive.

1409
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 1: Lineman but don't don't you think that If wilson is

1410
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 1: good enough to play left guard or ready enough to

1411
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 1: play left, guard start, there he's ready enough to start at.

1412
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 1: Center how big is the difference Between Garrett bradbury And

1413
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 1: city sew Or Lane.

1414
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 2: Robinson that's a fair, question But i'm more thinking about

1415
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 2: it in terms of you have a second year quarterback back.

1416
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 2: There Garrett bradbury started like eighty games in THE. Nfl

1417
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 2: he's an EXPERIENCED nfl starter at the. Position you, know

1418
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 2: how much of a help Is Garrett bradberry going to

1419
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:15,760
Speaker 2: be from a communications standpoint With Drake May and is

1420
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:21,919
Speaker 2: that enough to just for this year Have Garrett bradberry

1421
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 2: here While Jared.

1422
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 1: Wilson does that offset having a rookie left, side which

1423
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:29,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a full rookie left. Side you would

1424
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 1: also think the first thing you hear about With wilson

1425
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 1: is his FOOTBALL. IQ i don't think it's a wrong

1426
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 1: taking a, bubble BUT i think For Jared wilson, specifically

1427
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 1: a major reason he went as high as he did

1428
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:40,560
Speaker 1: was his.

1429
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 2: Intelligence, YEAH i mean he's a great he's a really great. Talent,

1430
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 2: yeah we'll see if he puts it all. TOGETHER i

1431
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:48,160
Speaker 2: mean that's a question with any of these, rookies but

1432
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:51,640
Speaker 2: he's a really great. TALENT i JUST i wonder if

1433
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 2: there's a scenario where it's Like Jared wilson as a

1434
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 2: blocker is just so dynamic that he's too good to

1435
01:09:57,600 --> 01:09:59,720
Speaker 2: keep him off the. Field but we just don't feel

1436
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 2: great about our, battery to use a baseball, Term, yeah

1437
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:05,799
Speaker 2: being a rookie and a second year guy and at quarterback,

1438
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 2: right like that's it's just a lot of youth at

1439
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 2: two highly, complex communicative type of, positions whereas at left,

1440
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:15,640
Speaker 2: guard like he's just blocking the people in front of. Him,

1441
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:16,839
Speaker 2: right we've also.

1442
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:20,720
Speaker 1: Seen McDaniels wasn't there one Year it probably would have

1443
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:24,679
Speaker 1: been the Year andrews was sick That joney.

1444
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 2: Did all that from the left. Guard, Well Teddy carris

1445
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 2: was the center of the year That andrews was. Sick

1446
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 2: SO i can't imagine That Ted carriss didn't have a

1447
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 2: hand in. IT i, Know but why DO i rememberbe

1448
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 2: it was Like Ted harris got hurt for like a.

1449
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 1: GAME i remember there being a year or at least

1450
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 1: a portion of a year Where Joe tooney was making

1451
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 1: all the line calls from left. Guard it's, Possible and

1452
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 1: so couldn't you do that With mike ol AND?

1453
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 2: Winu you? Could you? COULD i don't know if on

1454
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 2: when who was really that kind of, guy you, know

1455
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 2: in terms of like the really studying it and knowing

1456
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:00,760
Speaker 2: the x's and o's like, that that's what it. All

1457
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 2: it goes into as. Well it's like it's not just

1458
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 2: oh he's like he's a loud. Guy he's a good

1459
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:09,320
Speaker 2: communicator on the. Field it's also like the study habits

1460
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 2: that you have to go into the game and you

1461
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 2: have to understand all their, fronts and you have to

1462
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 2: understand all their pressure packages on third down and where

1463
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:18,840
Speaker 2: they like to bring blitzes from and what their tels,

1464
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 2: are and like all the study and film work that

1465
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:25,799
Speaker 2: goes in to being ready to call out line calls

1466
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,559
Speaker 2: in AN nfl, Game like you have to have somebody

1467
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:30,640
Speaker 2: that's prepared to do that and is ready to do.

1468
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 2: That Garrett bradberry's been doing it for six seven, years,

1469
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 2: Right like he's definitely ready to do. IT i just

1470
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 2: don't know if other people are and maybe they will

1471
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 2: be you, know Maybe Jared wilson will be ready for.

1472
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:42,719
Speaker 2: It we'll. See BUT i, MEAN i think you drafted

1473
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 2: for his. INTELLIGENCE i think they draft because of his athleticism.

1474
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:50,640
Speaker 2: Too his athleticism is, skyhigh you, know his upside and

1475
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:53,680
Speaker 2: his traits are. Immense, yeah it.

1476
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 1: Was in twenty nineteen at some, point Like i'm finding

1477
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:58,720
Speaker 1: like sort of tweets about. IT i can't find the full,

1478
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,679
Speaker 1: article But i'm pretty sure it's point in twenty Nineteen

1479
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 1: Joe tooty was making line calls for The patriots as

1480
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 1: the left.

1481
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 2: GUARD i believe. It so the other conversation here is

1482
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 2: obviously just let's Take wilson out of. It just the

1483
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 2: competition at left guard is really feels like it's Between,

1484
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 2: Robinson strange And city so. Who i'm not ruling out

1485
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:22,439
Speaker 2: winning the job, either because of his success in his

1486
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 2: twenty three yeah with With bill.

1487
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:26,559
Speaker 1: O'Brien, so but here's the. Thing let's Say wilson makes

1488
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 1: the team And bradbury is. Cut, yeah who wins The

1489
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 1: who wins the battle for backup? Center Ben Browner Cole?

1490
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 2: STRANGE i, was, so here's the thing About strange THAT

1491
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 2: i think helps, him, right AND i know that there

1492
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:45,760
Speaker 2: was some photos From OTA's where it looked Like strange was,

1493
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 2: snapping you, know so like he's definitely getting some reps

1494
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 2: at least dead. Center, yeah that helps him, Right like

1495
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 2: he could play left guard or he could played. Center

1496
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:56,479
Speaker 2: the one THING i remember WHEN i talked To Jim,

1497
01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 2: nagy who's now At, oklahoma but he was the director

1498
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 2: of The Senior, bowl the one thing he mentioned With

1499
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 2: Leyden robinson when they drafted him last year is similar

1500
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 2: to what we were talking about With Darien. Lowe Like

1501
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 2: Landon robinson's a, guard like he's a one position player

1502
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:13,479
Speaker 2: on the offensive. Line So Cold strange at least has

1503
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 2: that in his back pocket that he can play center

1504
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 2: and he can play. Guard so even if he's not

1505
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 2: the starter at left, guard like he could back up

1506
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 2: two different, spots which is big for him now or if.

1507
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:25,720
Speaker 1: HE i, guess even if he does win the, job

1508
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 1: you still might not need to carry a backup center

1509
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 1: because If wilson goes, down you're. Playing although that's pretty

1510
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:36,560
Speaker 1: Against scarnecki's. Philosophy so where does McDaniel's fall on that

1511
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 1: in terms of moving in terms of moving, right one,

1512
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:42,280
Speaker 1: in one. Out so If Cole stranger's starting left guard

1513
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 1: in your backup. Center, now, essentially if your center you

1514
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 1: lose one, player you're on.

1515
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:49,640
Speaker 2: Two, backs you lose two. Players, yeah so maybe they

1516
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:52,679
Speaker 2: wouldn't be as quick to do. That so as it stands,

1517
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 2: today without any, practice we have not observed this single.

1518
01:13:57,479 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 2: Thing so just off your, Gut robinson so, strange who

1519
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:04,320
Speaker 2: is who's the starting left guard when we get out

1520
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 2: to training camp on day? ONE i Think City so

1521
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 2: is the best potential. There, oh who's it going to

1522
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:11,120
Speaker 2: be day? One, Yeah like when we get out TO

1523
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 2: o T our FIRST ota practice and we see the starting,

1524
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:19,560
Speaker 2: five who's at left? Guard, geez that's. Tough, YEAH i

1525
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 2: think IT'S i Think CITY so is gonna win. It,

1526
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:24,000
Speaker 2: yeah but the paths will have to come on from

1527
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:27,200
Speaker 2: it could be. ANYBODY i think it's gonna Be Laden. Robinson, yeah.

1528
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 2: PROBABLY i think there will be enough From elliott and

1529
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 2: and the people that are still here from last year

1530
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 2: that they'll push For Laden robinson to get.

1531
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:34,560
Speaker 3: It.

1532
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 2: Uh there there is like a an undercurrent there For Wes,

1533
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:40,560
Speaker 2: schweitzer who's like had some experience in the, league and

1534
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 2: is it might Be Wes sweitzer just because he's a. Veteran,

1535
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 2: yeah you, know veteran guy that that there's some there's

1536
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 2: some love for him. THERE I i Love Jack.

1537
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 1: CONLEY i was gonna say Player Jack connolly belongs in this.

1538
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 1: Conversation maybe not to be the, starter but definitely as a.

1539
01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:58,160
Speaker 1: Backup we've talked about diversatility a. Lot it can play

1540
01:14:58,439 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 1: ALL i think you could probably play.

1541
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:01,720
Speaker 2: OFF i have. SPOTS i think he's too tall to play.

1542
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 2: Center he can definitely play all. Four he's he's. Four,

1543
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:05,679
Speaker 2: yeah he has four position.

1544
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:09,160
Speaker 1: VERSATILITY i think he's gonna be competing hard for backup.

1545
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:12,280
Speaker 1: Role he's somebody That so WHEN i do my roster,

1546
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:14,120
Speaker 1: PROJECTION i think we both do this the same. Way

1547
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:16,760
Speaker 1: all put on at least the first one of the,

1548
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:18,760
Speaker 1: year and THEN i kind of tweaked on each. One but,

1549
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 1: like all, Right i'm gonna go. Through i'm just gonna

1550
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 1: list every player THAT i think has a decent chance

1551
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:26,920
Speaker 1: of making the team and Then i'll go from there

1552
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:28,760
Speaker 1: or like every player THAT i want to put on

1553
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 1: this roster, Projection.

1554
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:31,720
Speaker 2: YEP i Have Jack connelly on.

1555
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 8: There.

1556
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:35,599
Speaker 2: Yeah Jack, CONNELLY i think is gonna have a NICE nfl.

1557
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 2: CAREER i don't know if it's gonna be. Here and

1558
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:39,559
Speaker 2: WHEN i say, nice, LIKE i don't know if he'll

1559
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 2: ever be a entrenched starter in THE. Nfl but the

1560
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:46,680
Speaker 2: thing that you, know and as At Boston college is pro,

1561
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 2: day everybody just kept on, saying you, know six man

1562
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 2: like he's gonna be the six man of some offensive

1563
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 2: line where he's gonna have be a four position. Backup and,

1564
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 2: oh our our left guard goes down on the opening,

1565
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:01,680
Speaker 2: Drive jack's going, in our right tackle goes down on

1566
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:04,640
Speaker 2: the opening, Drive conley's going in like. That it just

1567
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 2: it has so much value that he can do. That

1568
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 2: he also played a little bit of like jumbo tight

1569
01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:11,720
Speaker 2: end to like you, know tackle eligible stuff. Like he's

1570
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:14,679
Speaker 2: just got a ton of. Versatility so that's, uh those

1571
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 2: are sort of my you, know where my my burning questions,

1572
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:19,560
Speaker 2: are if you want to put it that, way on

1573
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:21,960
Speaker 2: this group as we head into OTAs and What i'll

1574
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 2: be looking. For and it's a it's an interesting roster

1575
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:28,000
Speaker 2: on offense because you have some, Locks there's no doubt about.

1576
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 2: It there's some real entrench, guys you, Know, Campbell, Moses Henry,

1577
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:35,800
Speaker 2: hooper probably the receivers we Mentioned stevenson Treveon henderson and

1578
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 2: Obviously Drake may And Joshua. Dawes but you know those

1579
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:40,960
Speaker 2: at large spots like you like to call, it like

1580
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:43,679
Speaker 2: those are they're up for. GRABS i, Have they're wide.

1581
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:46,240
Speaker 1: OPEN i have thirty six players with a real shot

1582
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:48,759
Speaker 1: at making the team on. Offense, yeah and in reality

1583
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 1: that number is probably going to be somewhere from like

1584
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 1: twenty four to twenty.

1585
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 3: Eight.

1586
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:54,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah all, right we'll open it up to you. Guys,

1587
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:56,800
Speaker 2: now that was fun and we'll we'll get into. It

1588
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 2: but before we, Do, Hey patriots, fans we want to

1589
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1592
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Speaker 2: Toyota let's go, places AND i might need one of

1593
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:13,960
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1594
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1595
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:19,360
Speaker 2: The New England. Patriots let's get to the. PHONES i

1596
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:21,880
Speaker 2: Know sean And patty have been, waiting SO i, Apologize But,

1597
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 2: sean what's. UP a couple of.

1598
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 8: Weeks, ago you apologized profusely about not getting to the,

1599
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:35,599
Speaker 8: emails and it's kind of funny to, me at least,

1600
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:40,479
Speaker 8: anyways BECAUSE i wrote an email just asking or stating

1601
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:43,639
Speaker 8: THAT i don't Think andrew mccouba would be there because

1602
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:45,600
Speaker 8: he's going to be drafted too. High what do you

1603
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 8: think Of Craig? Woodson AND i also asked in the

1604
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 8: same email about three pullbacks Including Brock, Lampy so of

1605
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 8: what your. Opinion so it's kind of funny how things

1606
01:17:56,320 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 8: went and with its team there's so many, changes which

1607
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:03,040
Speaker 8: makes sense when the previous year you only want four.

1608
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 8: Games SO i think there's going to be like half

1609
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:08,439
Speaker 8: the team is going to be different from last. Year

1610
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 8: AND i, Like i'm. EXCITED i, MEAN i don't know

1611
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 8: what's going to, happen But i'm excited about this. CLASS

1612
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:17,200
Speaker 8: i can imagine ten of the eleven draft picks being

1613
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:20,800
Speaker 8: there on day one as. Starters are you, know just

1614
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:25,120
Speaker 8: on the team, anyway not necessarily, starting but being part

1615
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:29,840
Speaker 8: of the fifty. Three and then the other QUESTION i

1616
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:36,479
Speaker 8: have for you is being that of the draft, picks

1617
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 8: who do you think has the longest shot of making the.

1618
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:43,360
Speaker 8: Team so that's that's my question to, You and thanks a.

1619
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 8: Lot speak to.

1620
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:46,160
Speaker 2: Soon thanks for the, Call, sean and a good call

1621
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:48,639
Speaker 2: on the draft picks and nailed. IT i would, SAY

1622
01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:51,599
Speaker 2: i don't know the longest shot to make the team

1623
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:54,200
Speaker 2: is hard BECAUSE i think there's a realistic path for

1624
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:56,360
Speaker 2: all of. IT i really feel that.

1625
01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 1: Way is it lazy to Say Kobe, MINOR i know

1626
01:18:59,320 --> 01:18:59,640
Speaker 1: he was the.

1627
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 2: Last but like, SURE i guess, YEAH i mean that's

1628
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:03,599
Speaker 2: an easy. One it's a crowded. Room.

1629
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 1: Yeah Jordan, polk the corner safety From Texas state who

1630
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:10,840
Speaker 1: is THE, udfa is a similar player who is going

1631
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:13,280
Speaker 1: to push. Him so you know a lot of those late.

1632
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:16,639
Speaker 1: Picks borg is going to, be should be a starting.

1633
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:19,160
Speaker 1: Kicker ashb's obviously gonna make. Team he's a long, Snapper

1634
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 1: Marcus bryant we just talked about with his Vers still

1635
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:23,479
Speaker 1: he's a good. Shot and then you, know fifth round

1636
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:25,880
Speaker 1: are up usually keeping those. Guys, yeah so, yeah and

1637
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 1: THEN i think it's kind Of Kobe minor just by. Default,

1638
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 1: yeah and and the two defensive Lineman we're gonna do

1639
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 1: these next. Week but Like Joshua farmer And Branden swinson

1640
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:36,240
Speaker 1: to me are not typical fourth and fifth round. Picks

1641
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:38,920
Speaker 1: like those guys are have much higher upside than your

1642
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 1: typical fourth and fifth. Rounder SO i would be absolutely

1643
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:45,040
Speaker 1: stunned if both those guys are not on the. Roster you,

1644
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 1: know they kind of remind me a little bit more

1645
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 1: of Like booty In Pop, Douglas like when they drafted

1646
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 1: those guys in the sixth round and we were, like,

1647
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:54,120
Speaker 1: Well booty had the injury in, college is, right And

1648
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 1: pop is just a small school.

1649
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:58,439
Speaker 2: Guy that's why he's zero. Stars, yeah, Right like it

1650
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:01,560
Speaker 2: just those guys felt like like more, uh you, know

1651
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:04,320
Speaker 2: sure things than your typical sixth round. PICK i feel

1652
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:06,840
Speaker 2: the same way About farmer And swinton where they were.

1653
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:09,760
Speaker 2: DRAFTED i think those guys are rotational players at the

1654
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:12,760
Speaker 2: next level in a really deep. Class So Kobe minor

1655
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 2: is the obvious. Answer. Uh you, KNOW i think that

1656
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:17,160
Speaker 2: there's a world Where Marcus bryan's an odd man out

1657
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:20,160
Speaker 2: to probably just based off where he, was he probably be. Next,

1658
01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:23,360
Speaker 2: YEAH i would say those two. Guys all, Right patty

1659
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 2: is In. Agua what's, Up, Patty, Patty i'll give us

1660
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:32,280
Speaker 2: a call. BACK i had him on hold for a.

1661
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:35,000
Speaker 2: While give us a call, Back. Patty, uh here he.

1662
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:40,639
Speaker 2: Is eldred's In North. Carolina what's Up. Eldred, Hey so how.

1663
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:41,640
Speaker 6: Y'all doing are?

1664
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:41,720
Speaker 1: You?

1665
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:46,519
Speaker 6: QUESTION i love your prediction on wide, receivers BUT im

1666
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:50,719
Speaker 6: the old. GUY i Know pope And Baker ranks showing,

1667
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:53,760
Speaker 6: it but you don't think one of the guys Like

1668
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 6: John giles or one of the guys to push mc

1669
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:00,880
Speaker 6: holland's off the. Roster you, KNOW i know they sound

1670
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 6: for free, agent but you don't think they can.

1671
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:08,120
Speaker 2: Push thanks for the, Call. Elgard uh, oh go, ahead

1672
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:08,760
Speaker 2: you have another. One?

1673
01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:12,120
Speaker 6: NOW i had a, rant BUT i wait. Too latest

1674
01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:15,080
Speaker 6: that a great, guard but guard whatever his name, Is

1675
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 6: BUT i wait on.

1676
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:17,960
Speaker 3: THAT i just got a.

1677
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:24,280
Speaker 2: Ring, okay, okay on On Matt. COLLINS i Think Mac

1678
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:27,560
Speaker 2: collins is. HERE i think it's a combination of you

1679
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 2: just signed him as a free, agent he has familiarity with,

1680
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:33,760
Speaker 2: McDaniels and they need some sort of like they they

1681
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:36,000
Speaker 2: signed him in my mind to be like a character

1682
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:38,439
Speaker 2: guy in that. ROOM i like to be a, leadership

1683
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:41,280
Speaker 2: a blue guy in that. Room so even if maybe

1684
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:44,559
Speaker 2: one of these guys you know has more quote unquote

1685
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:47,719
Speaker 2: raw talent Than Matt collins, DOES i think he's gonna.

1686
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 2: Be here's also a special teams, course special teams, Player

1687
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 2: SO i think he's gonna be? Here what? What what's

1688
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:53,400
Speaker 2: what's your? Rent? Biggie what do you?

1689
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:53,639
Speaker 8: Got?

1690
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:55,760
Speaker 3: Well?

1691
01:21:55,840 --> 01:22:01,080
Speaker 6: GREAT i don't like to podcast matter Effect i'm described to.

1692
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 6: IT i don't like the way he Downrated, milton AND

1693
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:05,760
Speaker 6: i don't think it was a bad guy if did

1694
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:09,720
Speaker 6: heard it all during the, season AND i just don't

1695
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:12,640
Speaker 6: like what he said or. Whatever but it's always like

1696
01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:15,840
Speaker 6: when a player go, away you grant from when you

1697
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 6: first get, here then when he leaves or, whatever did

1698
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:21,320
Speaker 6: just what you called it The foxford, Blues AND i

1699
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:22,840
Speaker 6: just hate when you do a person like did when

1700
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:25,120
Speaker 6: you never heard from the. Beginning, NOW i don't blame,

1701
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:27,800
Speaker 6: him but trying to push for a starting. Position so

1702
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:29,720
Speaker 6: if nobody on that rock does want to push to

1703
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:33,040
Speaker 6: be the, man it shouldn't be on the. Roster besides

1704
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:35,479
Speaker 6: just taking, money it's. Faith and that's just the WAY

1705
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:38,479
Speaker 6: i feel about. Competition thanks a, lot man for hitting.

1706
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 2: The, rain no. Problem thanks for the, Call. ALDRED i

1707
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:43,840
Speaker 2: assume he's talking about bad reported About Joe milton being

1708
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:46,679
Speaker 2: a bad. GUY i assume that's what he's talking. About,

1709
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:49,960
Speaker 2: look you, KNOW i have no information on Whether Joe

1710
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:51,519
Speaker 2: melton was a good guy or a bad guy or

1711
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:54,160
Speaker 2: anything like. That i'll leave that To greg. Guy you,

1712
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 2: KNOW i heard great things About Joe, milton uh when

1713
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:00,240
Speaker 2: they drafted. Him you know it was like this your

1714
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:03,000
Speaker 2: well good Guy award winner and like people are really

1715
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:06,800
Speaker 2: high on his character and you, know likable, guy fun

1716
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:10,640
Speaker 2: guy to be. Around BUT i don't have much more

1717
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:12,760
Speaker 2: to add other than. THAT i don't know what happened last.

1718
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:13,599
Speaker 2: Year it was to it Elser.

1719
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 1: Stead, LIKE i don't Doubt Joe milton wants to be a.

1720
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:17,960
Speaker 1: STARTER i would want anybody on my team to like

1721
01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 1: really be aggressively. Pushing BUT i also think that they

1722
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:23,320
Speaker 1: may want a certain environment For Drake, may AND i

1723
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:26,560
Speaker 1: think after going Through Zappy, fever this organization may be

1724
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:29,840
Speaker 1: a little too or a little more in tune with

1725
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 1: with that kind of. Idea but you, know you hope

1726
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:34,760
Speaker 1: it doesn't go back and bite. Him Joe, MILTON i

1727
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 1: think would be a really good backup. QUARTERBACK i would

1728
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:38,559
Speaker 1: have had him on the depth chart ahead Of Josh.

1729
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:41,560
Speaker 1: Dobbs If Drake may gets, hurt that's going to be

1730
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:42,479
Speaker 1: a massive second.

1731
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:45,759
Speaker 2: Guess, yeah, no it's both points are. Fair the backup

1732
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:48,160
Speaker 2: quarterback is always the most popular guy in, town as they,

1733
01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 2: SAY i think he was on a losing. Team it

1734
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:54,720
Speaker 2: was was It Michael, bishop, right the quarterback years ago

1735
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:59,160
Speaker 2: that wasn't quite as alien like As Joe milton in

1736
01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:01,560
Speaker 2: terms of the, trades but had a huge arm and

1737
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 2: could get outside the pocket and really hum it and

1738
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:08,599
Speaker 2: like had similar kind of checked similar boxes in terms

1739
01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:12,480
Speaker 2: of like the skill set, Right and everybody was infatuated

1740
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 2: With bishop the same way that they have been infatuated

1741
01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:18,639
Speaker 2: With Joe. Milton so there's always that. Guy there's always

1742
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:20,920
Speaker 2: that guy kicking. Around it was Obviously zappi for a few.

1743
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:23,800
Speaker 2: YEARS i understand totally clear in the decks For drake

1744
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 2: may if that's what they. DID i don't know one

1745
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:28,759
Speaker 2: hundred percent that is what the intention, was but certainly

1746
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 2: seems like that's what everybody believes or reading tea leaves

1747
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:36,840
Speaker 2: on it is what everything points. To BUT i we'll.

1748
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:42,160
Speaker 2: SEE i don't have any real big gripes with Trading.

1749
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 2: MILTON i thought it was interesting that they did what

1750
01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:50,280
Speaker 2: they did to get a higher draft pick by swapping

1751
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:52,720
Speaker 2: instead of just getting an outright draft pick out of.

1752
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:55,400
Speaker 2: HIM i think would be like the only thing That

1753
01:24:55,479 --> 01:24:57,439
Speaker 2: i'd look at you, know maybe if you had held

1754
01:24:57,479 --> 01:25:01,800
Speaker 2: on to him Like Jimmy Garoppolo Jacobe reset, style if

1755
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:03,840
Speaker 2: you developed him for another year or two and then

1756
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 2: in like year three of the rookie, contract you traded,

1757
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:10,080
Speaker 2: Him like maybe you could have improved his value slightly

1758
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:13,200
Speaker 2: by doing. That BUT i Think Joe milton is a

1759
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:16,800
Speaker 2: really fun career. Backup LIKE i think he's gonna be

1760
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 2: a really fun backup for some, team Maybe, Dallas BUT

1761
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 2: i don't know if they're gonna be losing much sleep over.

1762
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:26,479
Speaker 2: Him BUT i agree With biggie in general THAT i

1763
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:28,519
Speaker 2: don't love that we would do it in all, sports

1764
01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:30,840
Speaker 2: not just. Football like when a guy gets traded or

1765
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:32,560
Speaker 2: a guy leaves town all of a, sudden all you,

1766
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:34,479
Speaker 2: know all the skeletons come out about how bad of

1767
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:37,559
Speaker 2: a duty, was like we'll, see you. KNOW i don't

1768
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 2: know how how true that is or. Isn't alex is In.

1769
01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 2: Syracuse what's, Up? Alex, hey guys hit?

1770
01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 4: Me?

1771
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:46,920
Speaker 2: Yes?

1772
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:48,720
Speaker 6: Okay? Good?

1773
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:50,320
Speaker 3: Uh just a couple of.

1774
01:25:50,439 --> 01:25:52,840
Speaker 7: Questions. Uh first of, ALL i want to say first

1775
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:56,040
Speaker 7: time caller Because i'm usually working at this time when you're,

1776
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:58,360
Speaker 7: live SO i never get a. CHANCE i always catch

1777
01:25:58,439 --> 01:25:59,160
Speaker 7: the show after the.

1778
01:25:59,240 --> 01:26:01,599
Speaker 3: Fact so happy to be able to call in appreciate.

1779
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 7: It first, Question, uh is there anybody in the free

1780
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:10,320
Speaker 7: agent classics left that you look at that you could

1781
01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:13,040
Speaker 7: add as like a depth piece to help fix certain.

1782
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 7: SPOTS i was looking and thinking like A Brandon sheriff

1783
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:18,840
Speaker 7: at guard could come in if we don't love what

1784
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:22,599
Speaker 7: you have currently for that left guard. Spot and the second,

1785
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:25,720
Speaker 7: question AND i apologize if you answered. This i've been

1786
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:28,519
Speaker 7: doing housework up and. AROUND i haven't been in front

1787
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:33,840
Speaker 7: of the show as. Much, Uh Kayshawan. Boody it sounds

1788
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:36,120
Speaker 7: Like Matt collins is here and he's probably gonna be

1789
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:39,720
Speaker 7: THE x With diggs being here and he'll probably be

1790
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:43,880
Speaker 7: YOUR Z x And pulk being a A z slot

1791
01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 7: And pop being the. Slot where do you See booty fitting?

1792
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:51,320
Speaker 7: In and what can he if he doesn't fit, in

1793
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 7: where what do you think he could do to try

1794
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 7: and earn a spot on the? Roster, yeah and with,

1795
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:57,479
Speaker 7: That i'll take it off off.

1796
01:26:57,560 --> 01:26:59,599
Speaker 2: Here, Guys thank, you thanks, an thanks for the, calling

1797
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:02,679
Speaker 2: thanks for. Listening good. Questions we did talk a little

1798
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:05,679
Speaker 2: bit About Kashan boody, earlier so you can go ahead

1799
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:08,200
Speaker 2: and you, know hear, that BUT i think we both

1800
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:10,559
Speaker 2: feel the same way About Kishon, booty you, know being

1801
01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:14,439
Speaker 2: one of the clearer pass TO x receiver probably on

1802
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 2: the roster to play on the. Outside in terms of

1803
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:20,040
Speaker 2: the free agents that are, Available shaff's an interesting. One you,

1804
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:23,400
Speaker 2: know he's a career right. GUARD i had Circled sheriff

1805
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 2: a little bit in free agency potentially to come in

1806
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:30,479
Speaker 2: and be like a veteran stop gap at left guard,

1807
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:34,519
Speaker 2: potentially BUT i believe he's played the majority of not

1808
01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:37,680
Speaker 2: his entire career on the right, side so he'd be you,

1809
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:40,040
Speaker 2: know switching over a little. Bit but it's an interesting

1810
01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:42,759
Speaker 2: question in, general just you, know who are some. Names

1811
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:45,760
Speaker 2: if there are any of guys, that let's say they

1812
01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:48,760
Speaker 2: get into camp and it's just not, working you, know

1813
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:50,640
Speaker 2: it's not working out at a, spot whether it's a

1814
01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 2: veteran or it's a younger, player you, know, rookie second

1815
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 2: year guy that they thought was going to be a.

1816
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:58,040
Speaker 2: Starter there are some. GUYS i, mean it's not a

1817
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 2: ton of guys that are still. Available you, know there's

1818
01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:04,120
Speaker 2: some name receivers Like King now And Amari cooper are

1819
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:07,800
Speaker 2: still out. There but like even for, instance like you

1820
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:11,479
Speaker 2: Know Matthew, judon right, like if you or you Know

1821
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:13,640
Speaker 2: Von miller is a free, Agent like if one of

1822
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:17,600
Speaker 2: those guys you don't feel great about edge. Depth you

1823
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:21,840
Speaker 2: know you Have Harold, andrew you have A Kalavon chase,

1824
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:25,439
Speaker 2: On Anthony, Jennings Braiden swinson's a rookie. There let's Say

1825
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:28,720
Speaker 2: Braden swinson is not the third down pass rusher, yet

1826
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:32,040
Speaker 2: like he just isn't, ready you, know could you sign

1827
01:28:32,120 --> 01:28:34,800
Speaker 2: one of those veteran guys like A, miller like A,

1828
01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:37,479
Speaker 2: judan like someone like that to just be a stop

1829
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:40,560
Speaker 2: gap and play the position for you know a period of,

1830
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:42,880
Speaker 2: time maybe it's even only half the, season right, like

1831
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 2: and Then swinson's ready to contribute more down the stretch.

1832
01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:49,240
Speaker 2: Run but that would be the. Spot you, Know Preston

1833
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:51,400
Speaker 2: smith's the free agent still like, that that would probably

1834
01:28:51,439 --> 01:28:53,800
Speaker 2: be the smart spot THAT i would look at as

1835
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:57,400
Speaker 2: maybe a place they could ad would be pass.

1836
01:28:57,479 --> 01:29:00,720
Speaker 1: Rusher, yeah edge, guy you won More julian black if

1837
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:04,040
Speaker 1: they feel Like woodson isn't giving them what they need

1838
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:07,040
Speaker 1: at that deep safety, position and Maybe marcus EPs and

1839
01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:08,000
Speaker 1: he isn't fully.

1840
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:11,000
Speaker 2: Healthy blackman still out there as a free, Agent, yeah

1841
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:12,960
Speaker 2: it's a good it's a good question because normally what

1842
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:15,519
Speaker 2: happens with those guys is we'll get Into august and

1843
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:18,760
Speaker 2: like two weeks into training, camp someone will get hurt

1844
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:21,840
Speaker 2: or some team won't feel great about their depth at

1845
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:24,360
Speaker 2: a certain spot or great about their, starter you, know

1846
01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:26,799
Speaker 2: at a certain, spot and then you, Know Zeke elliott

1847
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:29,000
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago get, signed, right and they

1848
01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:31,439
Speaker 2: bring in, depth and they bring in some. Reinforcements so

1849
01:29:31,720 --> 01:29:33,880
Speaker 2: there are a couple guys kicking around that could fit.

1850
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:36,880
Speaker 2: THAT i don't Think Stefan gilmore signed anywhere yet.

1851
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:39,360
Speaker 1: Either If i'm not, mistake he's not gonna sign till

1852
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:40,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna be like last.

1853
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:41,760
Speaker 2: Year he just doesn't want to do. Camp, yeah he

1854
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:43,599
Speaker 2: doesn't need. TO i don't blame. Him, yeah that's totally.

1855
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:46,640
Speaker 2: Fair all, Right i'm told That patty is really here this.

1856
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:49,000
Speaker 2: Time what's, Up? Patty what's?

1857
01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:49,160
Speaker 7: Up?

1858
01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:53,800
Speaker 3: Guys think about that bluetooth? Malfunction all? Good SO i

1859
01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:56,800
Speaker 3: got a question and another hot, take only this thought

1860
01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:59,000
Speaker 3: take is going to be centralized around The, patriots not

1861
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:02,679
Speaker 3: just a general N fell hot. Take first, off, question

1862
01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:06,120
Speaker 3: is it out of the realm of the possibility that

1863
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:10,439
Speaker 3: we can possibly trade for one of these maybe young

1864
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:15,080
Speaker 3: expendable tight. Ends the two Guys i'm thinking of Are

1865
01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:19,040
Speaker 3: Michael mayer And cole Or cole commit and the way

1866
01:30:19,120 --> 01:30:23,640
Speaker 3: too early off Season patriots hot take is are you

1867
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:27,920
Speaker 3: ready for? This Kyle williams WINS Nfl Offensive rookie of The.

1868
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:29,479
Speaker 3: Year let's. Go i'll take the.

1869
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:33,000
Speaker 2: Question not very, guys Thanks. PATTY i will SAY i

1870
01:30:33,080 --> 01:30:35,920
Speaker 2: think there is A patriot who could Win Offensive rookie

1871
01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 2: of The, year but It's Trevon. Henderson it's Not Kyle.

1872
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:40,720
Speaker 2: Williams when's the last time an offensive lineman Won rookie The.

1873
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:43,080
Speaker 2: YEAR i don't think they've ever done that in my.

1874
01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:48,200
Speaker 2: Time you Think Will Campbell dift have to be like, Absurd,

1875
01:30:48,439 --> 01:30:51,080
Speaker 2: yeah but isn't there a world Where Trevon henderson is

1876
01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:53,000
Speaker 2: there by the end of the. Season is there number

1877
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:55,519
Speaker 2: one running back and it rushes for a thousand yards

1878
01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:57,960
Speaker 2: like or at least total maybe rushing in, passing and

1879
01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:01,200
Speaker 2: it's not a really, strong you, know offensive draft class

1880
01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:04,000
Speaker 2: Right like it's gonna Be Travis hunter if he plays

1881
01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:06,960
Speaker 2: receiver full, time which it sounds like he. Will ted.

1882
01:31:07,080 --> 01:31:11,200
Speaker 2: McMillan the two tight ends you Know warren And Colson, Lovelin,

1883
01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:13,160
Speaker 2: like we'll have a good. Chance Colson, lovelin THOUGH i

1884
01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:15,360
Speaker 2: don't know if he's gonna be healthy right out of the,

1885
01:31:15,400 --> 01:31:17,559
Speaker 2: gate you, know at THE ac, joints so he might

1886
01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:20,880
Speaker 2: be uh you, know start to hear on pup or something, right,

1887
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:24,000
Speaker 2: daw which will hurt his Cause i'm interested In Michael.

1888
01:31:24,040 --> 01:31:28,200
Speaker 2: MAYER i. Am it's not happening because The raiders won't do. It, well,

1889
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:31,000
Speaker 2: YEAH i don't think he likes. McDaniels oh, well it

1890
01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:33,599
Speaker 2: might not be his. Choice like he gets, traded he gets.

1891
01:31:33,479 --> 01:31:36,479
Speaker 1: Traded, well but this coaching staff is so big on, fit,

1892
01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:39,400
Speaker 1: Right so that's. Fair that was there was.

1893
01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:43,400
Speaker 2: There's some rumblings about. That, no there was a story

1894
01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:43,760
Speaker 2: or he.

1895
01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:46,519
Speaker 1: Gave a quote after McDaniels got fired where he didn't

1896
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:53,840
Speaker 1: mention McDaniels, specifically where he basically just said he was

1897
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:58,479
Speaker 1: much happier after McDaniels. Left he didn't name, McDaniels.

1898
01:31:57,960 --> 01:32:01,120
Speaker 2: BUT i, mean come, on that's. Fair but he. Did

1899
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:02,559
Speaker 2: McDaniels did draft.

1900
01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:05,840
Speaker 1: Him so last year there were some DAYS i didn't

1901
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:06,280
Speaker 1: want to come.

1902
01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:09,800
Speaker 2: In oh, jeez McDaniels did draft. Him, yeah so there's

1903
01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:14,760
Speaker 2: that he definitely fits as that prototypical why tight end

1904
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:17,080
Speaker 2: in a McDaniel's offense, sense why he drafted him when

1905
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:20,519
Speaker 2: he was In. VEGAS i still think that there's potential.

1906
01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:22,280
Speaker 2: There you, KNOW i was really high on him coming

1907
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:24,600
Speaker 2: out of. COLLEGE i think most people. Were it was

1908
01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:27,120
Speaker 2: kind of a, similar you, know watered down version Of

1909
01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:30,599
Speaker 2: loveland Versus Tyler, warren where Like Michael mayer was the well,

1910
01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:33,679
Speaker 2: rounded you, know blocking tight end that could also catch,

1911
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:38,120
Speaker 2: passes and then you Know Sam laporta Or Dalton kincaid

1912
01:32:38,360 --> 01:32:41,040
Speaker 2: was like the receiving tight, end like A Colson. Lovelin

1913
01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:44,840
Speaker 2: So mayor was the war end of that, draft you,

1914
01:32:44,920 --> 01:32:48,879
Speaker 2: know maybe not quite as highly rated of a, prospect

1915
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:52,519
Speaker 2: but similar type of. Mold is there a world where

1916
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:56,120
Speaker 2: he takes a few years like a lot of tight ends,

1917
01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:58,840
Speaker 2: do and then like year three or, four he breaks

1918
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:01,240
Speaker 2: out and has his best years ahead of.

1919
01:33:01,280 --> 01:33:03,960
Speaker 1: Them we ran through that list the tight ends the other,

1920
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:06,160
Speaker 1: week and a lot of guys who really weren't great

1921
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:07,160
Speaker 1: until they got to their second.

1922
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:08,360
Speaker 2: Team i'm not against the idea as a.

1923
01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:12,240
Speaker 1: WHOLE i Just medaniel's thing might, matter and whether it's,

1924
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:15,120
Speaker 1: comet whether it's him or Cole kmet WHO i, Like yeah.

1925
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:18,920
Speaker 2: One neither of those teams have a ton of tight end. Depth,

1926
01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:22,000
Speaker 2: yeah SO i don't know why they're Trade i've heard

1927
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:23,080
Speaker 2: them both talked. About for The.

1928
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:25,679
Speaker 1: PATRIOTS i don't know why they're trading either. One, yeah,

1929
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:27,880
Speaker 1: LIKE i don't know what the incentive is, there and

1930
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:29,960
Speaker 1: for The, patriots so you're gonna get, like so you're

1931
01:33:29,960 --> 01:33:32,400
Speaker 1: gonna have to give up something significant for a guy

1932
01:33:32,479 --> 01:33:34,439
Speaker 1: that's probably gonna be a third string tight end right. Away,

1933
01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:36,840
Speaker 1: yeah you, know there was a time in the off

1934
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:38,960
Speaker 1: season where it made more sense just based on the

1935
01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:41,280
Speaker 1: way the off season's. GONE i don't think you need

1936
01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:42,960
Speaker 1: to overextend yourself to make that kind of.

1937
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:45,240
Speaker 2: Move, Right, like if they had not re Signed hooper

1938
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:48,240
Speaker 2: and the move completely different to trade a pick For

1939
01:33:48,920 --> 01:33:51,840
Speaker 2: mayor and have him be the backup tight end, different then, yeah,

1940
01:33:52,439 --> 01:33:54,880
Speaker 2: like right, now what is? It what is it gonna.

1941
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:57,040
Speaker 1: Cost it's gonna cost a fifth round. Pick i'd probably do. That,

1942
01:33:57,240 --> 01:33:58,439
Speaker 1: yeah it's gonna cost a THIRD i.

1943
01:33:58,479 --> 01:34:01,720
Speaker 2: Wouldn't, Yeah so all, right let's get to some of these,

1944
01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:04,120
Speaker 2: emails and THEN i do want to get to our

1945
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:10,400
Speaker 2: our math versus not math with a conversation before the

1946
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:11,760
Speaker 2: end of the show that people will have to humor

1947
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:13,920
Speaker 2: us with a little bit Of celtics talk at the

1948
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:16,240
Speaker 2: end of the. Show BUT i want to get to

1949
01:34:16,240 --> 01:34:18,080
Speaker 2: a couple of emails because we have a bunch of

1950
01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:21,120
Speaker 2: them coming. IN i love this email because this is

1951
01:34:21,200 --> 01:34:24,120
Speaker 2: one of those. Things and you know you've been we've

1952
01:34:24,160 --> 01:34:26,479
Speaker 2: been doing this together long, Enough alex to know THAT

1953
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:29,160
Speaker 2: i fall for it every single. Time at what point

1954
01:34:29,200 --> 01:34:31,839
Speaker 2: can we discern whether or Not Land larison And Efton

1955
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:37,360
Speaker 2: chism or Where Jacobi MYERS i Guess Jacoby myers or

1956
01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:39,240
Speaker 2: LIKE i don't, Know Danny wood hit or whatever he

1957
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:42,280
Speaker 2: didn't put a running, back Or Ralph web or TJ,

1958
01:34:42,439 --> 01:34:44,720
Speaker 2: Mo like, basically at what point do we know it's

1959
01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:48,760
Speaker 2: real With chisholm and With Land. Larison the one thing

1960
01:34:48,840 --> 01:34:52,320
Speaker 2: THAT i promise everybody is that If Efton chism goes

1961
01:34:52,360 --> 01:34:55,120
Speaker 2: out and has a great spring with no pads and

1962
01:34:55,240 --> 01:34:58,360
Speaker 2: no contact and he's just jitterbugging all around the field

1963
01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:00,519
Speaker 2: and nobody can touch him because you're not allowed to

1964
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:03,479
Speaker 2: and he has a huge, SPRING i promise YOU i

1965
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:06,400
Speaker 2: will pump the brakes AND i won't go. Gas you,

1966
01:35:06,439 --> 01:35:08,479
Speaker 2: know pedal to the medal on it Because i've seen

1967
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:11,479
Speaker 2: that movie. Before i'm really going to have to, see

1968
01:35:13,240 --> 01:35:18,400
Speaker 2: especially in the case Of chisholm, specifically because running back

1969
01:35:18,439 --> 01:35:20,759
Speaker 2: you can't you can't grade running back till the preseason,

1970
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:23,040
Speaker 2: Anyways like there's no, pads there's no tackling to the.

1971
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:27,160
Speaker 2: Ground that one is really like you can't really tell

1972
01:35:27,200 --> 01:35:30,040
Speaker 2: with a running back UNTIL i would say probably the preseason.

1973
01:35:30,200 --> 01:35:32,639
Speaker 2: Games like you have to watch him play in games

1974
01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:35,120
Speaker 2: to really see what he's going to bring to the.

1975
01:35:35,200 --> 01:35:40,479
Speaker 2: Table but with Efton, Chisholm i'm not getting excited or

1976
01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:42,599
Speaker 2: any other way About ft And chishlm UNTIL i see

1977
01:35:42,760 --> 01:35:44,880
Speaker 2: him do it in a fully padded. Practice who was

1978
01:35:44,920 --> 01:35:47,800
Speaker 2: the wide receiver he gave With Ralph? WEBB Tj Mo

1979
01:35:49,720 --> 01:35:53,800
Speaker 2: austin cars right, THERE i hear. You i'm working with the.

1980
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:58,920
Speaker 1: Email so here's WHERE i think it, Is Like Jacoby

1981
01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:03,640
Speaker 1: meyers So Ralph, webb, right, yeah super fun. Preseason but

1982
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:06,519
Speaker 1: he was coming in in the fourth quarter and they

1983
01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:08,240
Speaker 1: were just handing the ball off on every. Play, yeah

1984
01:36:08,360 --> 01:36:10,680
Speaker 1: like he wasn't really playing against. Anybody there really was

1985
01:36:10,720 --> 01:36:14,919
Speaker 1: anything drawn? Up was we need this clock to? Run Jacoby,

1986
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:19,799
Speaker 1: myers IF i remember, correctly played almost start.

1987
01:36:19,680 --> 01:36:20,960
Speaker 2: To finish in all of those preseason.

1988
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:23,519
Speaker 1: Games like he was on the, field maybe not against,

1989
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:27,439
Speaker 1: starters but against like LEGITIMATE nfl, backups like guys who

1990
01:36:27,439 --> 01:36:28,200
Speaker 1: were going to make the.

1991
01:36:28,320 --> 01:36:29,479
Speaker 2: Team so that's the.

1992
01:36:29,560 --> 01:36:32,479
Speaker 1: DIFFERENTIATOR i don't know that there's one moment where it's

1993
01:36:32,520 --> 01:36:34,679
Speaker 1: like yes or. No Because rodley mccharran made the team

1994
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:36,360
Speaker 1: look good in the, preseason made the team was not.

1995
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:38,519
Speaker 1: Ready there's another name you can throw out.

1996
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:38,880
Speaker 2: There but.

1997
01:36:40,439 --> 01:36:42,680
Speaker 1: IF i remember, again IF i remember correctly on one

1998
01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:44,800
Speaker 1: hundred percent show THAT i, do And i'll try to find.

1999
01:36:44,840 --> 01:36:49,680
Speaker 1: It but Like riley McCarran was just kind of In,

2000
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:51,200
Speaker 1: austin car were just kind of playing in the fourth

2001
01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:54,800
Speaker 1: quarter of these. Games they weren't really out there for a.

2002
01:36:54,920 --> 01:36:57,720
Speaker 1: Bulk Whereas Jacoby myers was out. THERE i don't think

2003
01:36:57,760 --> 01:37:00,479
Speaker 1: he was catching passes From, brady but he was out

2004
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:02,880
Speaker 1: there with guys who are gonna make the team against

2005
01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:03,360
Speaker 1: guys who.

2006
01:37:03,280 --> 01:37:06,160
Speaker 2: Are gonna Make, yeah that's always a good. Tell that's a. Differentiator,

2007
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:09,960
Speaker 2: Yeah so it's always a good tell of who's he

2008
01:37:10,040 --> 01:37:12,200
Speaker 2: running with right and maybe won't be with the starting

2009
01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:16,040
Speaker 2: quarterback right. Away but If Efton chisholm In august finds

2010
01:37:16,120 --> 01:37:20,040
Speaker 2: himself in a group With Kendrick bourne And Jalen polk

2011
01:37:20,120 --> 01:37:22,960
Speaker 2: And Jay Von, baker and that Grew Kesehan boodie in

2012
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:25,200
Speaker 2: the group we were talking about, earlier and ft And

2013
01:37:25,240 --> 01:37:27,600
Speaker 2: chisholm is getting reps over one of those guys or

2014
01:37:27,640 --> 01:37:29,960
Speaker 2: two of those. Guys that's when you know it's starting

2015
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:32,080
Speaker 2: to get real right. Now if he's running with the

2016
01:37:32,120 --> 01:37:34,800
Speaker 2: threes all summer, long then they're not seeing. It they're

2017
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:37,040
Speaker 2: not seeing that he's that he's in that group. Yet

2018
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:40,000
Speaker 2: But i'm gonna have to really, LIKE i might not

2019
01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:43,040
Speaker 2: even believe it With Kyle williams UNTIL i see him

2020
01:37:43,080 --> 01:37:45,280
Speaker 2: might do it in like regular season games at this,

2021
01:37:45,400 --> 01:37:50,040
Speaker 2: point because even though it wasn't eye, popping Like Jalen

2022
01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:53,280
Speaker 2: polk had a solid rookie training, camp, like it wasn't

2023
01:37:53,479 --> 01:37:55,640
Speaker 2: LIKE i, said it wasn't eye. Popping it wasn't, like

2024
01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:58,160
Speaker 2: oh my, god this guy's a difference. Maker he moves.

2025
01:37:58,200 --> 01:38:02,240
Speaker 2: Differently you, know this is. Incredible but If Kyle williams

2026
01:38:02,320 --> 01:38:04,840
Speaker 2: goes out there next week or the week after whenever

2027
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:07,640
Speaker 2: we have our FIRST ota and he's like tearing it

2028
01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:11,719
Speaker 2: up in spring. Practices I'm i'm gonna be cautious about.

2029
01:38:11,720 --> 01:38:12,519
Speaker 2: THAT i am So.

2030
01:38:12,680 --> 01:38:17,080
Speaker 1: Jacoby meyers his rookie preseason where to? Go it just

2031
01:38:17,160 --> 01:38:22,240
Speaker 1: had it played like fifty played forty four fifty, three

2032
01:38:22,439 --> 01:38:25,200
Speaker 1: sixty and fifty one. Snaps, yeah played a toime over

2033
01:38:25,280 --> 01:38:28,280
Speaker 1: those four, games, right played played a lot so for,

2034
01:38:28,439 --> 01:38:32,439
Speaker 1: comparison doesn't go far enough back for me for TJ.

2035
01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:37,320
Speaker 1: Mo But Austin carr the last two games it started

2036
01:38:37,320 --> 01:38:39,840
Speaker 1: to drop. Off he played a lot, early but not as,

2037
01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:41,880
Speaker 1: much especially in that third. Game he only played twenty

2038
01:38:41,960 --> 01:38:44,599
Speaker 1: nine snaps in that third, game which was when the starter's. Played,

2039
01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:47,000
Speaker 1: yeah so that's what it's gonna come down, To, like

2040
01:38:47,120 --> 01:38:49,599
Speaker 1: it's it who is he doing it? Against that's what holds.

2041
01:38:49,640 --> 01:38:53,320
Speaker 2: Weight so on these same, lines next question here From

2042
01:38:53,439 --> 01:38:57,479
Speaker 2: Christian he asks over under three udfas to make the

2043
01:38:57,560 --> 01:39:00,600
Speaker 2: fifty three man. Roster so three is the. NUMBER i

2044
01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:03,120
Speaker 2: think it's gonna be. THREE i think it's gonna be exactly.

2045
01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:07,960
Speaker 2: THREE i think it's gonna Be chisholm Lamp. Lampey i'll

2046
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:13,600
Speaker 2: say over because Maybe Elijah ponder, Either Jack connelly sneak, On,

2047
01:39:13,800 --> 01:39:16,599
Speaker 2: YEAH i, KNOW i keep saying we're gonna do defense next.

2048
01:39:16,640 --> 01:39:19,120
Speaker 2: Week but we're gonna do defense next. Week AND i

2049
01:39:19,439 --> 01:39:21,960
Speaker 2: Think Elijah ponder's got a real shot. Too, yeah you,

2050
01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:25,680
Speaker 2: know right now at, EDGE i Got Landry Chase, On

2051
01:39:26,479 --> 01:39:31,400
Speaker 2: Jennings Swinson ponder like that's only five guys and run

2052
01:39:31,439 --> 01:39:36,640
Speaker 2: through it, Again Landry, Chaison, Jennings, Winson, Ponder chase on

2053
01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:42,559
Speaker 2: what about are you not counting hit? Player no defensive? Line? Okay,

2054
01:39:42,680 --> 01:39:48,800
Speaker 2: Yeah so looking at it that, way you, know especially fit,

2055
01:39:48,920 --> 01:39:51,639
Speaker 2: wise like, schematically you, know is he a better Fit

2056
01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:54,679
Speaker 2: ponder Than Anthony jennings for like the style of play

2057
01:39:54,760 --> 01:39:57,120
Speaker 2: that they want to, play you know up the? Field you,

2058
01:39:57,160 --> 01:39:59,519
Speaker 2: know guy that's got speed off the edge like he

2059
01:39:59,680 --> 01:40:02,800
Speaker 2: to me if it's way you, know he's way more

2060
01:40:02,840 --> 01:40:05,599
Speaker 2: in The Landry chase On swinson mold Than Anthony jennings.

2061
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:07,560
Speaker 2: Is SO i think that there's a real chance For

2062
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:09,840
Speaker 2: ponder as. Well So i'm Gonna i'm gonna say. PUSH

2063
01:40:09,880 --> 01:40:11,760
Speaker 2: i think push is the right. Answer but it's a

2064
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:14,439
Speaker 2: good for the sake of facilitation in the. Conversation i'll

2065
01:40:14,479 --> 01:40:18,120
Speaker 2: Say i'll take the over on. Three all, right let's,

2066
01:40:18,200 --> 01:40:19,920
Speaker 2: UH i have four on.

2067
01:40:20,200 --> 01:40:21,920
Speaker 1: Rate so AGAIN i do that thing where LIKE i

2068
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:24,600
Speaker 1: put all those guys, ON i have it down to

2069
01:40:24,680 --> 01:40:26,160
Speaker 1: six fifty six players right.

2070
01:40:26,200 --> 01:40:30,640
Speaker 2: Now that's with five u. DFAs, yeah that's. Fair all.

2071
01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:33,040
Speaker 2: Right this is a good, question probably a better question

2072
01:40:33,200 --> 01:40:35,840
Speaker 2: for For fred And paul because they know the history

2073
01:40:35,880 --> 01:40:37,960
Speaker 2: a little bit better than. Me but would the team

2074
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:42,920
Speaker 2: ever consider unretiring Some jersey? Numbers, PERSONALLY i think only

2075
01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:44,880
Speaker 2: twelve and seventy three should be.

2076
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:48,360
Speaker 1: Retired, well fifty six, too which isn't technically, retired they

2077
01:40:48,479 --> 01:40:51,280
Speaker 1: just haven't given it back. Out they should retire formally retire.

2078
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:54,280
Speaker 2: Fifteen so seventy three Is John Hannah for people that don't,

2079
01:40:54,320 --> 01:40:57,960
Speaker 2: Know i'm ninety Six Andre. Tippet fifty six is Tipp.

2080
01:40:57,960 --> 01:40:59,720
Speaker 2: It SO i was talking about this the other DAY

2081
01:41:00,040 --> 01:41:02,320
Speaker 2: u or, yesterday and we didn't get to talk a

2082
01:41:02,400 --> 01:41:05,280
Speaker 2: ton about. It But i've been Watching Celtic. CITY i

2083
01:41:05,320 --> 01:41:08,559
Speaker 2: Think i'm seven episodes In Larry bird just, retired WHICH

2084
01:41:08,640 --> 01:41:11,120
Speaker 2: i thought was. Cool just side, note Like Brady knight

2085
01:41:11,280 --> 01:41:15,160
Speaker 2: was Basically Larry Bird. Night, yeah just bigger. People people

2086
01:41:15,200 --> 01:41:18,439
Speaker 2: had said, That yeah it. Was it was the, Inspiration, yeah,

2087
01:41:18,520 --> 01:41:22,200
Speaker 2: Certainly and you Know Magic johnson being With, Bird peyton

2088
01:41:22,320 --> 01:41:25,400
Speaker 2: being With. Brady it was. Definitely it was funny Because

2089
01:41:25,400 --> 01:41:28,280
Speaker 2: i've been Watching Celtic city With jess Because i'm such

2090
01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:29,840
Speaker 2: a Big celtics. Fan she's trying to get to know

2091
01:41:30,080 --> 01:41:32,040
Speaker 2: the history of the team a little bit better and

2092
01:41:32,360 --> 01:41:35,000
Speaker 2: uh and she, said, oh it's just Like Brady. KNIGHT

2093
01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:37,280
Speaker 2: i was, like, yeah like it literally is just Like Brady.

2094
01:41:37,320 --> 01:41:40,840
Speaker 2: Knight side. Note, uh BUT i think that there's a

2095
01:41:41,000 --> 01:41:43,360
Speaker 2: really would be a really cool AND i get the

2096
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:46,680
Speaker 2: history of The patriots is not as interesting as the

2097
01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:49,400
Speaker 2: history of The patriots or The celtics is not as you,

2098
01:41:49,439 --> 01:41:52,000
Speaker 2: know is way more interesting than The patriots. History, uh

2099
01:41:52,240 --> 01:41:55,439
Speaker 2: but you, know just based off the, winning but people

2100
01:41:55,479 --> 01:42:00,280
Speaker 2: our age and, younger Like John, hannah you, know you,

2101
01:42:00,360 --> 01:42:07,919
Speaker 2: Know Bruce, Armstrong Ben, Coates Jenny, Cappelletti Comandre, Tippett Stanley,

2102
01:42:08,040 --> 01:42:12,880
Speaker 2: Morgan Russ. Francis who's the freaking corner THAT i can't

2103
01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:15,719
Speaker 2: believe On Mike, haynes did you Say Sam Bam cunning,

2104
01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:19,160
Speaker 2: Here Sam bam like all these. NAMES i don't think

2105
01:42:19,200 --> 01:42:23,200
Speaker 2: that at like it's not talked about because there didn't

2106
01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:26,040
Speaker 2: win at the level of A russell or A bird

2107
01:42:26,120 --> 01:42:27,960
Speaker 2: or A Hale check or something like, that so it's

2108
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:30,880
Speaker 2: not the brew it's not The celtics. History but, like

2109
01:42:31,040 --> 01:42:33,120
Speaker 2: isn't there wouldn't it be cool to have like a

2110
01:42:33,200 --> 01:42:36,360
Speaker 2: doc Like Celtic city that like went from like nineteen

2111
01:42:36,439 --> 01:42:39,519
Speaker 2: sixty on and gave some flowers to like some of these,

2112
01:42:39,560 --> 01:42:41,599
Speaker 2: people because we're talking about The Patriots hall Of, fame

2113
01:42:41,720 --> 01:42:44,160
Speaker 2: and you, Know Adam viniti got a question in here

2114
01:42:44,400 --> 01:42:47,200
Speaker 2: kind of a comment in the emails as well about

2115
01:42:47,439 --> 01:42:50,160
Speaker 2: How vinitary wasn't a Career patriot and he went to

2116
01:42:50,240 --> 01:42:53,120
Speaker 2: The colts and you, know he played more years for

2117
01:42:53,320 --> 01:42:55,720
Speaker 2: The colts than he did with The. Patriots AND i

2118
01:42:55,880 --> 01:42:59,960
Speaker 2: just think that there's a, real like A Celtic Cities

2119
01:43:00,200 --> 01:43:03,920
Speaker 2: city style documentary which really goes through the history of

2120
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:06,680
Speaker 2: The patriots and some of their great players that, know

2121
01:43:06,800 --> 01:43:09,599
Speaker 2: they weren't on dynasty teams and it wasn't that, Great

2122
01:43:09,640 --> 01:43:10,320
Speaker 2: BUT i think it would be.

2123
01:43:10,400 --> 01:43:12,720
Speaker 1: COOL i mean a lot of, people Maybe i'm coming

2124
01:43:12,760 --> 01:43:14,800
Speaker 1: across as is too much of a kid. Here aren't

2125
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:17,000
Speaker 1: the nineteen seventy six or for a, while maybe this

2126
01:43:17,080 --> 01:43:19,240
Speaker 1: has changed in the last like ten fifteen. Years, yeah

2127
01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:21,960
Speaker 1: weren't the nineteen seventy Six patriots considered for a while

2128
01:43:22,040 --> 01:43:24,200
Speaker 1: one of the better teams to not make A Super.

2129
01:43:24,200 --> 01:43:28,880
Speaker 2: Bowl, yeah and That's, dallas you, know seventy, six eighty, five,

2130
01:43:29,080 --> 01:43:32,000
Speaker 2: yeah ninety six are like those were the three best

2131
01:43:32,040 --> 01:43:33,920
Speaker 2: teams In patriot history until The.

2132
01:43:33,960 --> 01:43:35,720
Speaker 1: Dynasty one of those teams in the SIXTIES i think

2133
01:43:35,800 --> 01:43:36,120
Speaker 1: is up there.

2134
01:43:36,160 --> 01:43:38,360
Speaker 2: Too but, yeah, yeah and like the team in seventy

2135
01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:41,280
Speaker 2: six is absolutely, loaded like with Like hall of, Famers, yeah,

2136
01:43:41,320 --> 01:43:41,720
Speaker 2: NO i have it.

2137
01:43:41,800 --> 01:43:46,519
Speaker 1: Here Steve grogan was the. Quarterback you Have Sam, cunningham,

2138
01:43:46,720 --> 01:43:50,240
Speaker 1: Yea Marlon, Brisco Darryl, Stingley Russ francis at tight end

2139
01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:54,639
Speaker 1: your offensive, Line Pete, Brock Leon, Gray John. Hannah, like, dude, people,

2140
01:43:54,680 --> 01:43:57,679
Speaker 1: REALLY i don't think you Said Julius, Addles Joyce adams

2141
01:43:57,760 --> 01:43:59,680
Speaker 1: before he has a case to be in The hall Of.

2142
01:43:59,720 --> 01:44:01,400
Speaker 2: Fame We Ray.

2143
01:44:01,479 --> 01:44:05,280
Speaker 1: Hamilton, yeah like they're gonna have any other great linebackers

2144
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:06,360
Speaker 1: Then Tim, fox.

2145
01:44:07,560 --> 01:44:09,960
Speaker 2: Younger, people AND i include, Myself Like i'm not saying

2146
01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:12,120
Speaker 2: this to like back in my, day like, no like

2147
01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:15,519
Speaker 2: Like Leon gray was, Awesome Like Leon gray was a

2148
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:18,120
Speaker 2: really good. Player yeah you know like that that's a

2149
01:44:18,240 --> 01:44:19,320
Speaker 2: really good. Player he.

2150
01:44:19,479 --> 01:44:21,680
Speaker 1: Was actually if you go back and, watch BECAUSE i

2151
01:44:21,720 --> 01:44:25,560
Speaker 1: think the full video Of John Hannah's Patriots hall Of

2152
01:44:25,640 --> 01:44:28,280
Speaker 1: fame speed Or, no it was when they Put Leon gray. In,

2153
01:44:28,680 --> 01:44:34,519
Speaker 1: yeah And John hannah he since passed. Away John hannah

2154
01:44:34,720 --> 01:44:37,719
Speaker 1: gave a really awesome speech About Leon.

2155
01:44:37,880 --> 01:44:43,960
Speaker 2: Gray was it dear bledsoe got in no with With Gil. Santos, Yeah,

2156
01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:47,680
Speaker 2: no this. Was this was like Maybe vince or Or

2157
01:44:47,880 --> 01:44:51,040
Speaker 2: rodney two thousand whatever was if you want to hear

2158
01:44:51,160 --> 01:44:54,160
Speaker 2: some awesome stories about the old School, Patriots John hannah

2159
01:44:54,200 --> 01:44:57,360
Speaker 2: had some great stories about him And Leon. Gray on the.

2160
01:44:57,400 --> 01:44:59,679
Speaker 1: Retiring number thing, Though SO i don't think you should

2161
01:44:59,720 --> 01:45:01,080
Speaker 1: unertur numbers because it's not fairly.

2162
01:45:01,080 --> 01:45:01,840
Speaker 2: Guys these numbers are.

2163
01:45:01,800 --> 01:45:06,639
Speaker 1: Retired also for what it's worth just objectively, aesthetically we're

2164
01:45:06,680 --> 01:45:07,840
Speaker 1: not missing out on that many great.

2165
01:45:07,920 --> 01:45:08,760
Speaker 2: Numbers twenty is a good.

2166
01:45:08,840 --> 01:45:12,200
Speaker 1: Number but it's, gino Mister, patriot not touching. That like

2167
01:45:12,560 --> 01:45:15,200
Speaker 1: it's Like Johnny, pesky you're really missing seventy, Nine no

2168
01:45:15,240 --> 01:45:17,639
Speaker 1: offense to Jim Ley. Hunt, no you really missing seeing

2169
01:45:17,680 --> 01:45:18,360
Speaker 1: seventy nine out.

2170
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:22,599
Speaker 2: There. No what they should do is they should retire fifty.

2171
01:45:22,640 --> 01:45:27,080
Speaker 1: Six ye stop retiring numbers after fifty six and do

2172
01:45:27,240 --> 01:45:28,920
Speaker 1: some sort of ring of. Honor AND i guess that's

2173
01:45:28,960 --> 01:45:31,000
Speaker 1: what The Patriots hall Of fame. Is but there should

2174
01:45:31,000 --> 01:45:33,160
Speaker 1: be something in, this something in that maybe you put

2175
01:45:33,200 --> 01:45:34,720
Speaker 1: a banner with all the names on it or something

2176
01:45:34,800 --> 01:45:36,120
Speaker 1: something in the stadium that represents.

2177
01:45:36,160 --> 01:45:39,160
Speaker 2: It is really, cool and there's multiple stadiums that are like,

2178
01:45:39,280 --> 01:45:41,639
Speaker 2: this but you, know going to some of the historic

2179
01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:45,320
Speaker 2: like going To lambeau and seeing all those names Of Curly,

2180
01:45:45,439 --> 01:45:49,080
Speaker 2: lamba you, know like all the way across the, stadium

2181
01:45:49,160 --> 01:45:52,120
Speaker 2: like in the, ring like Literally ring Of honor Across

2182
01:45:52,240 --> 01:45:55,000
Speaker 2: lambeau like. THAT i, mean the, History like that's really.

2183
01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:56,760
Speaker 2: Cool Like i'm not a big history, guy but it

2184
01:45:56,840 --> 01:45:59,880
Speaker 2: was still really cool to see. That SO I I i.

2185
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:03,720
Speaker 2: Agree you can't unretire the. Numbers that's not. Fair you.

2186
01:46:03,800 --> 01:46:05,960
Speaker 2: Know there's a lot of talk about numbers and retiring

2187
01:46:06,040 --> 01:46:08,800
Speaker 2: numbers and unretiring Because Abdul carter asked for fifty six

2188
01:46:09,240 --> 01:46:14,599
Speaker 2: From Lawrence, taylor which good For Lawrence, Taylor like, yeah

2189
01:46:14,720 --> 01:46:17,559
Speaker 2: like go get your own, number, Dude like, No I'm Lawrence.

2190
01:46:17,560 --> 01:46:20,960
Speaker 2: Taylor uh, no good for. HIM i feel the same

2191
01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:24,960
Speaker 2: way about like The patriots retired, numbers you, know Because

2192
01:46:24,960 --> 01:46:26,360
Speaker 2: i've seen a lot of people like why do you

2193
01:46:26,439 --> 01:46:30,320
Speaker 2: retire numbers to begin, with, nobody AND i mean nobody

2194
01:46:30,840 --> 01:46:33,120
Speaker 2: is wearing twelve for The New England patriots never, Again

2195
01:46:33,360 --> 01:46:35,880
Speaker 2: like are you kidding? Me like obviously not like you're

2196
01:46:35,920 --> 01:46:40,200
Speaker 2: not doing. That LIKE i personally would probably, retire would

2197
01:46:40,240 --> 01:46:42,920
Speaker 2: think about retiring eighty seven as. Well that's the greatest

2198
01:46:42,920 --> 01:46:43,599
Speaker 2: tight end of all.

2199
01:46:43,680 --> 01:46:45,479
Speaker 1: Time SO i Have by the, Way Leon gray got

2200
01:46:45,479 --> 01:46:46,920
Speaker 1: in With Rodney, harrison which.

2201
01:46:46,760 --> 01:46:48,080
Speaker 2: Is, YEAH i figured it was around.

2202
01:46:48,080 --> 01:46:51,840
Speaker 1: There so, LIKE i think the purpose of retired number

2203
01:46:52,080 --> 01:46:54,400
Speaker 1: one once you were, tire once you reissue in numbers too,

2204
01:46:54,439 --> 01:46:57,080
Speaker 1: late it clearly wasn't important. Enough, Yeah so like when

2205
01:46:57,200 --> 01:46:58,880
Speaker 1: when the eighty, seven when The.

2206
01:46:58,880 --> 01:46:59,720
Speaker 2: Red sox.

2207
01:47:01,080 --> 01:47:05,040
Speaker 1: Retired Wade boggs, number Brock holt had to stop wearing.

2208
01:47:05,080 --> 01:47:08,640
Speaker 1: It to, me it's about the mental association of that

2209
01:47:08,880 --> 01:47:11,840
Speaker 1: number in that, font in those colors means something, like

2210
01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:14,439
Speaker 1: it's one of the stupidest things in sports that The

2211
01:47:14,520 --> 01:47:18,080
Speaker 1: Miami heat Have Michael jordan's number, retired, Right Jackie robinson's

2212
01:47:18,080 --> 01:47:22,280
Speaker 1: another thing that fine retiring the number of players who

2213
01:47:22,320 --> 01:47:24,719
Speaker 1: didn't play for your, team to me is dumb because

2214
01:47:24,760 --> 01:47:27,639
Speaker 1: the idea is like when you see AND i see

2215
01:47:27,680 --> 01:47:29,519
Speaker 1: they have different, uniforms now so it doesn't happen as

2216
01:47:29,600 --> 01:47:32,280
Speaker 1: much in. Games like in, Practice i'll be out there

2217
01:47:32,720 --> 01:47:35,160
Speaker 1: And i'll see thirty seven if it's a defensive, player

2218
01:47:35,200 --> 01:47:37,240
Speaker 1: if it's in, blue and like everyone so, on a

2219
01:47:37,320 --> 01:47:39,160
Speaker 1: little thing in the back my head Goes Ronnie. Harrison,

2220
01:47:39,240 --> 01:47:41,680
Speaker 1: yeah Because i'm thinking about the practice footage on The

2221
01:47:41,720 --> 01:47:44,880
Speaker 1: Super bowl DVDs and on you, KNOW nfl films Of

2222
01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:47,760
Speaker 1: Rodney harrison in the blue thirty seven or it. Had it,

2223
01:47:47,880 --> 01:47:50,800
Speaker 1: happens especially when the number hasn't been worn by another prominent, player,

2224
01:47:50,880 --> 01:47:54,040
Speaker 1: Right it'll also happen with guys like more recently twenty.

2225
01:47:54,120 --> 01:47:55,880
Speaker 1: Eight still See James, white like the thing in the

2226
01:47:55,960 --> 01:47:58,400
Speaker 1: back of my. Head SO i think that's what retired

2227
01:47:58,479 --> 01:48:00,800
Speaker 1: numbers are. About that you have a certain snociation with

2228
01:48:00,920 --> 01:48:03,200
Speaker 1: that number in those colors and those font that like

2229
01:48:03,880 --> 01:48:05,120
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be looking at that like.

2230
01:48:05,240 --> 01:48:05,960
Speaker 2: That it means.

2231
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:09,040
Speaker 1: Something that visual image means. Something so you're moving on

2232
01:48:09,160 --> 01:48:11,120
Speaker 1: from that should be. Rare BUT i do think there's

2233
01:48:11,160 --> 01:48:14,160
Speaker 1: a point to. It but like with, FOOTBALL i get

2234
01:48:14,200 --> 01:48:16,800
Speaker 1: it's different because there's so many it's hard on the.

2235
01:48:16,920 --> 01:48:19,040
Speaker 2: ROSTER i think the other thing THAT i would like

2236
01:48:19,800 --> 01:48:22,320
Speaker 2: more in pro, football, yeah is one of the few

2237
01:48:22,400 --> 01:48:24,920
Speaker 2: THINGS i like about college football wich IS i love

2238
01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:27,599
Speaker 2: that certain numbers mean something in college football that is very,

2239
01:48:27,680 --> 01:48:30,479
Speaker 2: Cool like seven AT. Lsu eighteen AT lsu is another

2240
01:48:30,560 --> 01:48:33,320
Speaker 2: one that means something LIKE i love that those that

2241
01:48:33,479 --> 01:48:36,040
Speaker 2: they have, That and like with The, PATRIOTS i think it's,

2242
01:48:36,360 --> 01:48:38,240
Speaker 2: like obviously twelve is OFF, limcaf no one's ever gonna

2243
01:48:38,280 --> 01:48:40,840
Speaker 2: work twelve, again but it's right there with certain, numbers

2244
01:48:41,120 --> 01:48:44,040
Speaker 2: like twenty four is your top, Corner, yeah fifty four

2245
01:48:44,120 --> 01:48:47,040
Speaker 2: is your top. Linebacker, yeah Although Brian waters did it,

2246
01:48:47,080 --> 01:48:49,880
Speaker 2: proud but, yes, yeah but, like, uh you, know maybe

2247
01:48:49,960 --> 01:48:52,840
Speaker 2: eighty or eighty one is the receiver. Number, Yeah Randy

2248
01:48:52,840 --> 01:48:55,840
Speaker 2: moss wore eighty, one sixty sixty at, Center, yeah sixty at.

2249
01:48:55,920 --> 01:48:58,479
Speaker 2: Center you, know eighty seven at tight end is like

2250
01:48:58,520 --> 01:49:01,519
Speaker 2: your number one tight. End i'm all for like guys

2251
01:49:01,600 --> 01:49:03,840
Speaker 2: like having you, know the freedom depict their numbers. Too

2252
01:49:03,920 --> 01:49:05,280
Speaker 2: BUT i just feel like that's kind of. Cool and

2253
01:49:05,400 --> 01:49:06,240
Speaker 2: that's how the whole.

2254
01:49:06,120 --> 01:49:08,920
Speaker 1: Concept Of jersey numbers. Started, Yeah, yankees it was their batting,

2255
01:49:08,960 --> 01:49:11,680
Speaker 1: war right. Right SO i would love the idea of

2256
01:49:11,680 --> 01:49:13,519
Speaker 1: AN nfl team being, like all, right like you're in this,

2257
01:49:13,680 --> 01:49:15,160
Speaker 1: role you get this number.

2258
01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:17,040
Speaker 2: And like would it be? Kind and, look he wanted

2259
01:49:17,040 --> 01:49:20,439
Speaker 2: to pick, zero that's totally his, decision but, like wouldn't

2260
01:49:20,479 --> 01:49:22,479
Speaker 2: it have been? Cool and maybe it's just cool Because

2261
01:49:22,520 --> 01:49:24,600
Speaker 2: i'm a person that creates, content so it would be

2262
01:49:24,640 --> 01:49:27,479
Speaker 2: cool for the. Content but if Like tylaw and Like

2263
01:49:27,560 --> 01:49:30,800
Speaker 2: Stefan gilmour And Drell reevis like came out and like

2264
01:49:30,960 --> 01:49:34,760
Speaker 2: Gave Christian gonzalez twenty four and we're, like you know

2265
01:49:34,880 --> 01:49:37,759
Speaker 2: your next, kid, right like maybe like fifty.

2266
01:49:37,800 --> 01:49:41,519
Speaker 1: Six it's like The Star. Pass it's, cool like it's franchise.

2267
01:49:41,640 --> 01:49:44,040
Speaker 1: History so this is something THAT i don't think this

2268
01:49:44,080 --> 01:49:46,240
Speaker 1: would work in THE. Nfl michigan did. This they don't

2269
01:49:46,280 --> 01:49:49,799
Speaker 1: do it, anymore but they. Did instead of retiring, numbers

2270
01:49:50,400 --> 01:49:54,040
Speaker 1: if you wear that, number there was a patch on

2271
01:49:54,240 --> 01:49:56,880
Speaker 1: the jersey yah that had two or three one two

2272
01:49:56,960 --> 01:49:57,360
Speaker 1: or three.

2273
01:49:57,320 --> 01:49:59,880
Speaker 2: Names depending on the history the number that like wrecking.

2274
01:50:00,120 --> 01:50:02,679
Speaker 1: NICE i Remember Devin garder wearing ninety eight was super

2275
01:50:02,760 --> 01:50:05,639
Speaker 1: weird For, michigan but he had some connection or something

2276
01:50:05,680 --> 01:50:06,960
Speaker 1: to one of the guys that would warn, it and

2277
01:50:07,120 --> 01:50:08,960
Speaker 1: so he had there's a patch on the jersey that

2278
01:50:09,120 --> 01:50:10,040
Speaker 1: said the guy's name on.

2279
01:50:10,120 --> 01:50:11,080
Speaker 2: It like that was really.

2280
01:50:11,120 --> 01:50:12,920
Speaker 1: COOL i don't think that would work in THE nfl

2281
01:50:13,200 --> 01:50:15,840
Speaker 1: because the league wants everything to be so uniform right

2282
01:50:15,920 --> 01:50:18,519
Speaker 1: within the, uniforms so they're not going to have. That but,

2283
01:50:18,760 --> 01:50:21,639
Speaker 1: LIKE i, know just JUST i, THOUGHT i just love

2284
01:50:21,720 --> 01:50:23,880
Speaker 1: that about. COLLEGE i think that it's like it's really.

2285
01:50:23,920 --> 01:50:26,400
Speaker 1: Cool you, know obviously they're but it's like an.

2286
01:50:26,439 --> 01:50:28,240
Speaker 2: Honor and then there's like it's really cool when you

2287
01:50:28,320 --> 01:50:30,120
Speaker 2: look at the history of like you, know all the

2288
01:50:30,160 --> 01:50:32,840
Speaker 2: players AT lsu that wore with, seven, right that With,

2289
01:50:33,200 --> 01:50:35,200
Speaker 2: campbell like all the players that wore, that Like Patrick

2290
01:50:35,280 --> 01:50:38,200
Speaker 2: peterson and like these superstar players that have come THROUGH.

2291
01:50:38,320 --> 01:50:41,760
Speaker 2: Lsu like it's just a cool element to the whole.

2292
01:50:41,840 --> 01:50:43,880
Speaker 2: Thing and like you hand it, down it's like a big.

2293
01:50:43,960 --> 01:50:46,360
Speaker 1: THING a lot of, schools like you have to earn

2294
01:50:46,400 --> 01:50:48,720
Speaker 1: a single digit. Number you can't wear a single digit

2295
01:50:48,840 --> 01:50:53,600
Speaker 1: number right, away. Right Uh, no it's it's it's a

2296
01:50:53,760 --> 01:50:58,240
Speaker 1: really cool it's it's a really cool. THING i don't

2297
01:50:58,240 --> 01:50:59,960
Speaker 1: think it would work in THE nfl because the other

2298
01:51:00,160 --> 01:51:02,240
Speaker 1: part of it is you have this roster turnover a

2299
01:51:02,280 --> 01:51:03,880
Speaker 1: reason every four years you have a whole new. Rosters

2300
01:51:03,880 --> 01:51:06,240
Speaker 1: you can continue to give it. Out it kind of changes.

2301
01:51:06,320 --> 01:51:08,559
Speaker 1: Things BUT i do like the, idea, like all, right,

2302
01:51:08,720 --> 01:51:11,280
Speaker 1: sixty that's your starting. Center, yeah you, know all, right

2303
01:51:11,320 --> 01:51:13,840
Speaker 1: eighty seven is the starting tight. End twenty four is the, corner, right,

2304
01:51:13,880 --> 01:51:15,360
Speaker 1: YEAH i, DO i do like.

2305
01:51:15,479 --> 01:51:18,000
Speaker 2: That, yeah all, right let's Take mark's call and then

2306
01:51:18,000 --> 01:51:21,559
Speaker 2: but they should retire fifty. Six it's out of. Circulation

2307
01:51:22,000 --> 01:51:24,400
Speaker 2: it is out of. Circulat but, WELL i Think andre

2308
01:51:24,640 --> 01:51:26,960
Speaker 2: deserves The. YEAH i don't know what the story is

2309
01:51:26,960 --> 01:51:30,000
Speaker 2: there because the works for the, organization and like it's

2310
01:51:30,040 --> 01:51:33,920
Speaker 2: out of. CIRCULATION i don't know if it's. Beneficial mark

2311
01:51:34,080 --> 01:51:35,320
Speaker 2: is In. Connecticut what's, Up?

2312
01:51:35,360 --> 01:51:38,760
Speaker 4: Mark, hey, Guys always appreciate you guys taking my, Call

2313
01:51:38,880 --> 01:51:42,320
Speaker 4: love you, guys of, course just a quick. Thing evan our,

2314
01:51:42,360 --> 01:51:42,640
Speaker 4: GUY C.

2315
01:51:42,840 --> 01:51:43,960
Speaker 7: J debray loved this.

2316
01:51:44,160 --> 01:51:48,000
Speaker 4: Kid apparently he had like five or six other offers

2317
01:51:49,240 --> 01:51:52,680
Speaker 4: drafted free agent offers from other, teams and supposedly the

2318
01:51:52,720 --> 01:51:55,439
Speaker 4: reason why he came here was because he Wanted Mike

2319
01:51:55,520 --> 01:51:59,599
Speaker 4: rabel to coach, him and that is. Huge so thinking about,

2320
01:51:59,640 --> 01:52:02,160
Speaker 4: that it's almost like The Tom brady days are, back

2321
01:52:02,240 --> 01:52:04,320
Speaker 4: when players are going to now want to start coming

2322
01:52:04,400 --> 01:52:07,080
Speaker 4: here because you, know it used to be because Of Tom.

2323
01:52:07,120 --> 01:52:09,519
Speaker 4: Brady now hopefully players are gonna want to come here

2324
01:52:09,800 --> 01:52:12,400
Speaker 4: because Of Mike. Brabel and then the other take was

2325
01:52:12,600 --> 01:52:15,320
Speaker 4: The celtics then they really need to lay the hammer

2326
01:52:15,439 --> 01:52:18,679
Speaker 4: down and just stop chucking up threes and just really

2327
01:52:19,080 --> 01:52:21,439
Speaker 4: get that killer instinct and just drive the hoop when

2328
01:52:21,479 --> 01:52:24,240
Speaker 4: you've got players in foul, trouble you, know just keep

2329
01:52:24,320 --> 01:52:24,680
Speaker 4: driving the.

2330
01:52:24,720 --> 01:52:25,320
Speaker 6: Hoop you.

2331
01:52:25,400 --> 01:52:26,519
Speaker 7: Know that's my take on.

2332
01:52:26,600 --> 01:52:27,160
Speaker 4: Everything love you.

2333
01:52:27,240 --> 01:52:30,960
Speaker 2: Guys, Thanks, Mark thanks Said dupre signed here because Of.

2334
01:52:31,040 --> 01:52:33,599
Speaker 2: Rabel he, said oh, yeah, yeah, YEAH i mean multiple.

2335
01:52:33,640 --> 01:52:34,920
Speaker 2: Overage it's a little you.

2336
01:52:34,960 --> 01:52:37,000
Speaker 1: Know ONE udfa is a little bit away from saying

2337
01:52:37,080 --> 01:52:38,479
Speaker 1: like to Draw Tom, brady but it's a.

2338
01:52:38,520 --> 01:52:40,920
Speaker 2: Design. Yeah now there's multiple guys though in free agency

2339
01:52:40,960 --> 01:52:43,840
Speaker 2: too That i've spoken about. That mark, segued it's the

2340
01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:45,960
Speaker 2: last five minutes of the show In may you guys

2341
01:52:46,040 --> 01:52:48,400
Speaker 2: can stomach Some celtics top BUT i want to this

2342
01:52:48,479 --> 01:52:50,559
Speaker 2: is actually LIKE i want to make this about football,

2343
01:52:50,600 --> 01:52:53,760
Speaker 2: though because what's going the conversation around The celtics and

2344
01:52:53,800 --> 01:52:57,160
Speaker 2: people that aren't basketball. Fans The celtics shot sixty three

2345
01:52:57,200 --> 01:52:59,280
Speaker 2: pointers In game one against The, knicks which they, lost

2346
01:52:59,560 --> 01:53:03,200
Speaker 2: instead OF nba record with forty five missed three, pointers

2347
01:53:03,560 --> 01:53:07,200
Speaker 2: so basically they historically they were historically bad from three

2348
01:53:07,680 --> 01:53:10,280
Speaker 2: On monday, night and they just kept. Chucking they kept

2349
01:53:10,360 --> 01:53:12,840
Speaker 2: on chucking. Threes And alex AND i for the last

2350
01:53:12,880 --> 01:53:16,200
Speaker 2: two days in our texts have literally not stopped arguing

2351
01:53:16,400 --> 01:53:20,599
Speaker 2: about this Because i'm A Celtics green. TEAMER i couldn't

2352
01:53:20,600 --> 01:53:20,840
Speaker 2: cut me.

2353
01:53:20,920 --> 01:53:24,120
Speaker 1: Open, apparently blowing a twenty point lead to a team

2354
01:53:24,160 --> 01:53:27,280
Speaker 1: From New, york an inferior team From New, york is

2355
01:53:27,360 --> 01:53:27,920
Speaker 1: now considered.

2356
01:53:27,960 --> 01:53:30,160
Speaker 2: Acceptable, NO i didn't say that because they got one,

2357
01:53:30,280 --> 01:53:31,280
Speaker 2: ring so to KNOW i can do. It SO i

2358
01:53:31,360 --> 01:53:33,680
Speaker 2: think it's interesting, though because this kind of goes back

2359
01:53:33,720 --> 01:53:36,320
Speaker 2: to Our Ben Johnson Mike rabel. Debate it's literally just

2360
01:53:36,360 --> 01:53:37,040
Speaker 2: The Ben johnson my.

2361
01:53:37,120 --> 01:53:39,360
Speaker 1: Friend it's literally the Same Kyle shanahan.

2362
01:53:39,439 --> 01:53:43,080
Speaker 2: Debate it's the same you use The Kyle shanahan, line, which,

2363
01:53:43,280 --> 01:53:45,280
Speaker 2: like you, know you got from me kind, Of but

2364
01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:48,560
Speaker 2: that's all, RIGHT i got we were texting about, it

2365
01:53:48,720 --> 01:53:53,600
Speaker 2: and he got there together and then he had to

2366
01:53:54,760 --> 01:53:56,680
Speaker 2: we we got there, together and then you had to

2367
01:53:56,760 --> 01:54:00,519
Speaker 2: take a shot At Kyle. Shanahan it works tax thing

2368
01:54:00,560 --> 01:54:04,519
Speaker 2: About rory kind. Of so here's the thing though about

2369
01:54:04,840 --> 01:54:09,200
Speaker 2: this with. Football you, know basically your, ARGUMENT i think

2370
01:54:09,680 --> 01:54:12,720
Speaker 2: is that like the nerds in football just want to

2371
01:54:12,760 --> 01:54:15,040
Speaker 2: throw the ball all the time and and you know,

2372
01:54:15,720 --> 01:54:18,320
Speaker 2: whatever being sort of be, aggressive go for it all the.

2373
01:54:18,400 --> 01:54:20,439
Speaker 2: Time and the three point the volatility is similar to

2374
01:54:20,520 --> 01:54:23,439
Speaker 2: the three. Points, well it's just, look so do The.

2375
01:54:23,520 --> 01:54:26,640
Speaker 1: Celtics here's WHERE i Think i'm different from the what

2376
01:54:26,840 --> 01:54:30,040
Speaker 1: you're hearing yelled. At you do The celtics in a

2377
01:54:30,080 --> 01:54:32,520
Speaker 1: bubble philosophically shoot too many three.

2378
01:54:32,600 --> 01:54:36,320
Speaker 2: Pointers, Overall it's probably a little more Than i'd, like

2379
01:54:36,440 --> 01:54:38,320
Speaker 2: but like they're good at. It it's what they're built.

2380
01:54:38,360 --> 01:54:40,320
Speaker 2: FOR i don't think night in and night, out The

2381
01:54:40,360 --> 01:54:41,240
Speaker 2: celtics shoot too many.

2382
01:54:41,280 --> 01:54:44,800
Speaker 1: Threes my bigger issue is there are going to and

2383
01:54:44,880 --> 01:54:47,080
Speaker 1: this is this goes back to shanahanting they are going

2384
01:54:47,160 --> 01:54:50,440
Speaker 1: to be some knights or certain situations where it no

2385
01:54:50,600 --> 01:54:54,960
Speaker 1: longer makes sense to shoot. Threes and the math, coaches

2386
01:54:55,600 --> 01:54:58,560
Speaker 1: whether it be in, football whether it be in, basketball

2387
01:54:58,960 --> 01:55:02,800
Speaker 1: certainly happens a lot. Baseball, yeah refuse to adjust from

2388
01:55:02,840 --> 01:55:05,840
Speaker 1: their strategy because the spreadsheet tells them this is what

2389
01:55:06,000 --> 01:55:08,000
Speaker 1: you need to do to win the. Game the spreadsheet

2390
01:55:08,040 --> 01:55:11,040
Speaker 1: was created before the, game not when you're up twenty

2391
01:55:11,120 --> 01:55:13,640
Speaker 1: points in the third quarter or two touchdowns in the

2392
01:55:13,680 --> 01:55:16,200
Speaker 1: fourth quarter of The Super, bowl but they continue to

2393
01:55:16,240 --> 01:55:19,480
Speaker 1: go bombs away when, really all you gotta do with

2394
01:55:19,640 --> 01:55:21,760
Speaker 1: this big lead is just run out the. Clock and

2395
01:55:21,840 --> 01:55:25,120
Speaker 1: it's maybe not mathematically, sexy but it's how you're gonna

2396
01:55:25,120 --> 01:55:27,920
Speaker 1: win the. Game Miami, football give you another, One like

2397
01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:30,160
Speaker 1: when they refuse to take that knee last. Year, yeah,

2398
01:55:30,240 --> 01:55:33,040
Speaker 1: right because they wanted to add rushing yards or, whatever and.

2399
01:55:33,120 --> 01:55:35,560
Speaker 2: They fumbled And Georgia tech won the. Game, like at

2400
01:55:35,600 --> 01:55:36,880
Speaker 2: a certain, point just win the.

2401
01:55:36,920 --> 01:55:39,720
Speaker 1: Game don't worry about the box, score don't worry about

2402
01:55:39,800 --> 01:55:43,400
Speaker 1: your YOUR epa or. Whatever it is a, basketball expected

2403
01:55:43,480 --> 01:55:44,160
Speaker 1: shots something.

2404
01:55:44,240 --> 01:55:47,760
Speaker 2: Whatever, yeah just two, different very different. Things just grind

2405
01:55:47,800 --> 01:55:49,720
Speaker 2: it out and win the. Game that's my big.

2406
01:55:49,800 --> 01:55:52,920
Speaker 1: Problem SO i think, That and so just to, Finished,

2407
01:55:53,040 --> 01:55:55,400
Speaker 1: yeah The celtics are good enough that they can win multiple.

2408
01:55:55,440 --> 01:55:56,960
Speaker 1: Weights that's what makes them a great. Team it's not

2409
01:55:57,040 --> 01:55:59,440
Speaker 1: as easy Without porzingis on the. FLOOR i wonder if

2410
01:55:59,480 --> 01:56:02,200
Speaker 1: it plays out differently With porzingis In game one if

2411
01:56:02,240 --> 01:56:02,600
Speaker 1: he had been.

2412
01:56:02,680 --> 01:56:05,280
Speaker 2: Healthy but like they did. It this is what makes

2413
01:56:05,320 --> 01:56:05,480
Speaker 2: it so.

2414
01:56:05,560 --> 01:56:07,760
Speaker 1: Frustrating they did it against The MAGIC i saw them

2415
01:56:07,800 --> 01:56:09,600
Speaker 1: do it last year against the The.

2416
01:56:10,480 --> 01:56:13,760
Speaker 2: Mavericks the just. Insistency it almost.

2417
01:56:13,520 --> 01:56:15,280
Speaker 1: Took me back To game one of the, season which they,

2418
01:56:15,320 --> 01:56:17,680
Speaker 1: won but what they missed the last nineteen three pointers

2419
01:56:17,720 --> 01:56:18,240
Speaker 1: trying to break the.

2420
01:56:18,320 --> 01:56:21,160
Speaker 2: Record just go to the. Paint you can do. It

2421
01:56:21,240 --> 01:56:22,280
Speaker 2: you have the ability to do.

2422
01:56:22,320 --> 01:56:24,080
Speaker 1: It Jalen brown's at his best when he just puts

2423
01:56:24,120 --> 01:56:27,000
Speaker 1: his shoulder into a defender and. Goes You Carl Anthony

2424
01:56:27,080 --> 01:56:29,440
Speaker 1: towns on what four or five fouls hunt him on the.

2425
01:56:29,480 --> 01:56:32,440
Speaker 1: Floor but, No Kyle shanahan has to Have Jimmy garoppolo

2426
01:56:32,520 --> 01:56:34,080
Speaker 1: throw the ball deep in the fourth quarter of The

2427
01:56:34,120 --> 01:56:36,400
Speaker 1: Super bowl up two, scores because that's what the math.

2428
01:56:36,440 --> 01:56:39,520
Speaker 2: Said Catching strat's what killed. Me, Okay SO i would

2429
01:56:39,600 --> 01:56:42,440
Speaker 2: say that for me, personally you, KNOW i HEAR i

2430
01:56:42,760 --> 01:56:46,160
Speaker 2: lean more towards math than than your side of the.

2431
01:56:46,160 --> 01:56:49,680
Speaker 2: Street But Joe mizzoula takes it even a little bit

2432
01:56:49,760 --> 01:56:53,360
Speaker 2: further THAN i would, like, because first of, ALL i

2433
01:56:53,960 --> 01:56:56,600
Speaker 2: think the biggest thing With missoula, is you, Know i'm

2434
01:56:56,640 --> 01:56:59,320
Speaker 2: a big subscriber in football to you pass the. Score

2435
01:56:59,360 --> 01:57:02,320
Speaker 2: you run to, win, Right so you pass to get

2436
01:57:02,720 --> 01:57:05,120
Speaker 2: to get the, lead and you once you get the,

2437
01:57:05,240 --> 01:57:08,680
Speaker 2: lead that's when possession and and clock and all that

2438
01:57:08,800 --> 01:57:10,520
Speaker 2: kind of stuff starts to come into, play especially in

2439
01:57:10,560 --> 01:57:12,800
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter of. Games, now it's Not Super, bowl

2440
01:57:12,840 --> 01:57:15,800
Speaker 2: it's not exactly apples to apples with basketball and. Football

2441
01:57:15,840 --> 01:57:18,080
Speaker 2: it's not the same sport where like in football you

2442
01:57:18,120 --> 01:57:20,640
Speaker 2: could literally possess the ball for ten straight, Minutes, like

2443
01:57:20,720 --> 01:57:24,320
Speaker 2: you can't do, that RIGHT u in. Basketball but it's

2444
01:57:24,360 --> 01:57:26,560
Speaker 2: similar in the sense that if you have a twenty

2445
01:57:26,600 --> 01:57:29,280
Speaker 2: point lead in the third, quarter, like you don't need

2446
01:57:29,760 --> 01:57:33,720
Speaker 2: to win by, forty, Right so just trade blows with

2447
01:57:33,880 --> 01:57:37,200
Speaker 2: them for the next fifteen minutes and roll off into the,

2448
01:57:37,240 --> 01:57:39,680
Speaker 2: sunset and you're you're a squeaky. Coin you won the.

2449
01:57:39,760 --> 01:57:41,520
Speaker 1: Game even if you're trade here's a math for. You

2450
01:57:41,840 --> 01:57:44,320
Speaker 1: you're up, twenty, right even if you're trading threes for.

2451
01:57:44,440 --> 01:57:46,600
Speaker 2: Twos, yeah what does that take?

2452
01:57:46,680 --> 01:57:51,240
Speaker 1: Eleven, no that's gonna take twenty one, baskets twenty one

2453
01:57:51,320 --> 01:57:53,480
Speaker 1: possessions right for them to just tie the.

2454
01:57:53,560 --> 01:57:57,080
Speaker 2: Game and NOW i think that the In Joe's slight,

2455
01:57:57,160 --> 01:58:00,800
Speaker 2: DEFENSE i think the analytics people that the the questions

2456
01:58:00,840 --> 01:58:03,760
Speaker 2: that they bring up are, okay, well like we just

2457
01:58:03,840 --> 01:58:06,080
Speaker 2: go into like the four corners, offense, right, like and

2458
01:58:06,200 --> 01:58:09,920
Speaker 2: we just you, know eat clock and take this. Shot

2459
01:58:09,960 --> 01:58:12,040
Speaker 2: clock all the way down and that's like throwing us

2460
01:58:12,120 --> 01:58:14,320
Speaker 2: off the rhythm of our typical, game, Right.

2461
01:58:14,400 --> 01:58:16,520
Speaker 1: But it's not just but they Didn't this is my.

2462
01:58:16,640 --> 01:58:18,840
Speaker 1: Point they didn't have the rhythm like it was clear

2463
01:58:18,920 --> 01:58:20,960
Speaker 1: they were. Cold and this is what the math doesn't.

2464
01:58:21,000 --> 01:58:23,880
Speaker 1: Have it's the human element of these guys don't have.

2465
01:58:24,000 --> 01:58:24,040
Speaker 2: It.

2466
01:58:24,080 --> 01:58:26,600
Speaker 1: Tonight they were really good pick and roll. Team The

2467
01:58:26,680 --> 01:58:28,560
Speaker 1: knicks were sitting on the three for most of that.

2468
01:58:28,680 --> 01:58:30,440
Speaker 1: Game run a pick and, roll get a.

2469
01:58:30,520 --> 01:58:32,880
Speaker 2: Layup so now the bigger the bigger thing though for

2470
01:58:32,960 --> 01:58:36,000
Speaker 2: the nerds is that they look at it over the

2471
01:58:36,080 --> 01:58:38,480
Speaker 2: course of a seven game, series, right so they, say

2472
01:58:38,880 --> 01:58:41,960
Speaker 2: what are the odds that we're gonna shoot twenty seven

2473
01:58:42,000 --> 01:58:45,360
Speaker 2: percent from three over the course of seven full. Games

2474
01:58:45,520 --> 01:58:47,280
Speaker 2: we might it might happen to us once like it

2475
01:58:47,360 --> 01:58:49,240
Speaker 2: did the other, night and we might lose a, game

2476
01:58:49,640 --> 01:58:52,920
Speaker 2: but the odds are more in our favor that four

2477
01:58:53,000 --> 01:58:55,080
Speaker 2: times out of seven we're gonna shoot it well enough

2478
01:58:55,160 --> 01:58:55,480
Speaker 2: to win the.

2479
01:58:55,520 --> 01:58:58,240
Speaker 1: Game, okay when you're when you're up twenty and you've

2480
01:58:58,280 --> 01:59:01,480
Speaker 1: missed what, five, six, seven isn't there something to be

2481
01:59:01,560 --> 01:59:03,800
Speaker 1: said for you, KNOW i know it's a, cliche but

2482
01:59:03,840 --> 01:59:05,640
Speaker 1: it's talked about for a. Reason you gotta see one

2483
01:59:05,720 --> 01:59:08,680
Speaker 1: go in get to the. Rim either draw, fouls you

2484
01:59:08,760 --> 01:59:10,840
Speaker 1: get free, throws or get a. Layup and Like i'm

2485
01:59:10,880 --> 01:59:12,800
Speaker 1: not saying they couldn't shoot another.

2486
01:59:12,600 --> 01:59:15,120
Speaker 2: Three for the rest of the. Night can't you just

2487
01:59:15,200 --> 01:59:17,839
Speaker 2: get one layup just to kind of flip the. Momentum,

2488
01:59:18,120 --> 01:59:22,200
Speaker 2: yeah SO i agree with like you on more than

2489
01:59:22,280 --> 01:59:25,440
Speaker 2: you probably, think BECAUSE i do agree with you that

2490
01:59:25,800 --> 01:59:28,080
Speaker 2: all these nerd, coaches WHO i, love by the, way

2491
01:59:28,160 --> 01:59:29,480
Speaker 2: but this is this is WHAT i, say BUT i

2492
01:59:29,560 --> 01:59:30,720
Speaker 2: think it was the open of the show the other.

2493
01:59:30,760 --> 01:59:33,160
Speaker 1: Week, yeah you love them until they do something that's

2494
01:59:33,280 --> 01:59:34,960
Speaker 1: dumb because of the, math and then you disown.

2495
01:59:34,960 --> 01:59:40,360
Speaker 2: Them all these nerd coaches are are just allergic to

2496
01:59:40,440 --> 01:59:42,680
Speaker 2: the run to win, aspect, right like they're allergic to

2497
01:59:43,440 --> 01:59:45,520
Speaker 2: we built a twenty point lead with five minutes ago

2498
01:59:45,600 --> 01:59:48,520
Speaker 2: in the third. Quarter now we don't need to build

2499
01:59:48,520 --> 01:59:50,640
Speaker 2: a lead. Anymore we just need to maintain the. Lead

2500
01:59:50,720 --> 01:59:52,840
Speaker 2: and that should change the way you play.

2501
01:59:53,120 --> 01:59:55,120
Speaker 1: Adjustments it's All i'm asking and they don't ask you

2502
01:59:55,160 --> 01:59:57,280
Speaker 1: For and let me be, CLEAR i still think The

2503
01:59:57,320 --> 01:59:58,120
Speaker 1: celtic's gonna win the.

2504
01:59:58,120 --> 02:00:00,520
Speaker 2: Title, yeah so this is more just so that's the

2505
02:00:00,600 --> 02:00:02,680
Speaker 2: caveat for everybody, Though it's, like, WELL i still think

2506
02:00:02,680 --> 02:00:05,840
Speaker 2: they're gonna, win but, right they're gonna. Win the game Is.

2507
02:00:05,960 --> 02:00:06,680
Speaker 2: Boston this Is.

2508
02:00:06,760 --> 02:00:10,080
Speaker 1: Boston IF i can't be annoyed blowing a twenty point

2509
02:00:10,200 --> 02:00:12,360
Speaker 1: lead to a team From New, york what even are we? Anymore,

2510
02:00:12,400 --> 02:00:14,000
Speaker 1: okay so last thing on, this then we have to

2511
02:00:14,040 --> 02:00:17,800
Speaker 1: go my bigger gripe With Joe mizula in this, game

2512
02:00:17,840 --> 02:00:19,560
Speaker 1: BECAUSE i. WON'T i refuse to get on the math

2513
02:00:19,600 --> 02:00:21,280
Speaker 1: thing LIKE i refuse to do. It so my biggest

2514
02:00:21,320 --> 02:00:23,760
Speaker 1: gripe was On Joe mizula in this. GAME i thought

2515
02:00:23,880 --> 02:00:27,680
Speaker 1: that his substitution patterns. Stunk AND i also thought that you,

2516
02:00:27,720 --> 02:00:30,280
Speaker 1: know his ato's and end a game handling stunk as.

2517
02:00:30,320 --> 02:00:33,400
Speaker 1: Well but the substitution, PATTERNS i don't feel like this

2518
02:00:33,520 --> 02:00:37,600
Speaker 1: is being talked about a. Ton SO i Thought pritchard

2519
02:00:37,640 --> 02:00:39,480
Speaker 1: actually had to go in a little. Bit in game,

2520
02:00:39,560 --> 02:00:41,040
Speaker 1: ONE i had twelve.

2521
02:00:40,800 --> 02:00:43,200
Speaker 2: POINTS i think in like twenty three, minutes and then

2522
02:00:43,640 --> 02:00:46,360
Speaker 2: they can't buy a bucket in the fourth, quarter and

2523
02:00:46,480 --> 02:00:48,560
Speaker 2: they they can't find like a two or three minute

2524
02:00:48,560 --> 02:00:51,000
Speaker 2: stretch to see If pritcher can provide a, spark like

2525
02:00:51,080 --> 02:00:53,000
Speaker 2: he's the same original player can't make. It he's a

2526
02:00:53,040 --> 02:00:55,240
Speaker 2: sixth man of The, year, right like, literally Like i'm

2527
02:00:55,280 --> 02:00:57,320
Speaker 2: not asking for him to. Close LIKE i understand why

2528
02:00:57,360 --> 02:01:00,400
Speaker 2: you close With Holiday white The jays and Now, horford

2529
02:01:00,480 --> 02:01:02,280
Speaker 2: like that's your close and. FIVE i get. It but

2530
02:01:02,440 --> 02:01:05,160
Speaker 2: like with six minutes ago in the fourth quarter and

2531
02:01:05,200 --> 02:01:07,480
Speaker 2: The knicks now have tied the, game and you haven't

2532
02:01:07,520 --> 02:01:10,520
Speaker 2: scored a basket five on, five you, know not from

2533
02:01:10,560 --> 02:01:12,520
Speaker 2: the free throw line or whatever in like ten, Minutes

2534
02:01:12,760 --> 02:01:15,160
Speaker 2: like don't you think that the like the literal microwave

2535
02:01:15,240 --> 02:01:17,040
Speaker 2: off the bench that you have sitting there might come

2536
02:01:17,080 --> 02:01:18,840
Speaker 2: in and hit some seven in a.

2537
02:01:18,920 --> 02:01:20,800
Speaker 1: Row so the math tells us that the number has

2538
02:01:20,880 --> 02:01:23,080
Speaker 1: to regress back or progress back to the. Means so

2539
02:01:23,400 --> 02:01:25,720
Speaker 1: so that's let these guys keep chucking because eventually they'll

2540
02:01:25,760 --> 02:01:28,200
Speaker 1: hit one because you, know, mentally it's not changing them at.

2541
02:01:28,200 --> 02:01:31,040
Speaker 2: All having this thing that bothered. Me, No, No pritchard

2542
02:01:31,120 --> 02:01:33,000
Speaker 2: late bothered. ME i thought that he could provide a,

2543
02:01:33,040 --> 02:01:35,680
Speaker 2: spark and then The houser minutes were just like out

2544
02:01:35,720 --> 02:01:36,480
Speaker 2: of nowhere and just.

2545
02:01:36,600 --> 02:01:40,160
Speaker 1: TERRIBLE i think that LOSING i Think porzingis was supposed

2546
02:01:40,200 --> 02:01:42,320
Speaker 1: to play a big role in the, series and losing him.

2547
02:01:42,520 --> 02:01:45,680
Speaker 2: Through everythingzings they Lost porzingis. Early, no you still to

2548
02:01:45,720 --> 02:01:49,440
Speaker 2: be able to, adjust you still so, yeah but as

2549
02:01:49,480 --> 02:01:51,800
Speaker 2: a bench, player and this is in any, sport but

2550
02:01:51,960 --> 02:01:56,760
Speaker 2: like especially in, basketball Like Sam hauser didn't, play, yeah

2551
02:01:56,880 --> 02:01:59,160
Speaker 2: for the first half of the, game and then with

2552
02:01:59,360 --> 02:02:01,760
Speaker 2: five minutes ago in the third, quarter with The knicks

2553
02:02:01,800 --> 02:02:03,800
Speaker 2: making a, comeback they just threw him into the. Game,

2554
02:02:04,000 --> 02:02:04,360
Speaker 2: YEAH i.

2555
02:02:04,440 --> 02:02:07,080
Speaker 1: DON'T i, AGAIN i think Port zinglis was supposed to

2556
02:02:07,080 --> 02:02:09,800
Speaker 1: play more, minutes and Then cornett hasn't been playing well

2557
02:02:09,960 --> 02:02:12,640
Speaker 1: and there so he was just the next. Guy rotation got, messed,

2558
02:02:12,720 --> 02:02:14,440
Speaker 1: right you, know should they have gone To? Caada should

2559
02:02:14,440 --> 02:02:15,480
Speaker 1: they have gone To Xavier.

2560
02:02:15,560 --> 02:02:20,080
Speaker 2: Tillman BUT i Just housers like a rhythm. Shooter all

2561
02:02:20,080 --> 02:02:21,560
Speaker 2: of a, sudden he has a couple of wide open

2562
02:02:21,600 --> 02:02:24,400
Speaker 2: threes that he, bricks, right he normally makes if you

2563
02:02:24,480 --> 02:02:26,400
Speaker 2: had gotten him like a little bit of run in

2564
02:02:26,440 --> 02:02:28,520
Speaker 2: the first half and he's into the, game he's had.

2565
02:02:28,600 --> 02:02:31,440
Speaker 2: It like those were big, shots like wide open threes

2566
02:02:31,480 --> 02:02:33,560
Speaker 2: that he typically makes that were big shots in the.

2567
02:02:33,640 --> 02:02:35,960
Speaker 2: Game and he was cold coming off the, Bench, like,

2568
02:02:36,040 --> 02:02:38,120
Speaker 2: yeah everybody was, cold but this they. Did they didn't

2569
02:02:38,280 --> 02:02:39,400
Speaker 2: just to being. Cold that was story of the.

2570
02:02:39,480 --> 02:02:41,480
Speaker 1: Night but the thing that bothered me the most that

2571
02:02:41,560 --> 02:02:43,320
Speaker 1: didn't relate to The, math although kind of relate to The.

2572
02:02:43,360 --> 02:02:45,480
Speaker 1: Math they were doing a really good job running those

2573
02:02:45,520 --> 02:02:47,680
Speaker 1: foul tolls. Up and again they Had Karl Anthony towns

2574
02:02:47,760 --> 02:02:50,320
Speaker 1: what four or five, thousand third quarter very, early and

2575
02:02:51,160 --> 02:02:52,720
Speaker 1: they should have been hunting him more and they. Didn't

2576
02:02:52,920 --> 02:02:54,640
Speaker 1: and some of that is because they wanted the. Threes but,

2577
02:02:54,800 --> 02:02:57,600
Speaker 1: like get the switch and the nick to the next.

2578
02:02:57,640 --> 02:03:00,280
Speaker 1: Credit they were good at playing off the switch and

2579
02:03:00,400 --> 02:03:03,040
Speaker 1: making Sure towns wasn't. Exposed but like take advantage of,

2580
02:03:03,080 --> 02:03:06,040
Speaker 1: that get your, mismatches but Get Jalen brown Or Jason

2581
02:03:06,080 --> 02:03:08,240
Speaker 1: tatum on A Karl Anthony towns on the, switch go

2582
02:03:08,360 --> 02:03:10,600
Speaker 1: to the. Basket he's either gonna have to leave you

2583
02:03:10,640 --> 02:03:12,560
Speaker 1: alone he can easy lay, up or he's gonna value

2584
02:03:12,680 --> 02:03:14,200
Speaker 1: and you're gonna take one of their best players out

2585
02:03:14,200 --> 02:03:14,280
Speaker 1: of the.

2586
02:03:14,360 --> 02:03:17,240
Speaker 2: Game all, Right, well thanks for humoring us With celtics.

2587
02:03:17,320 --> 02:03:20,440
Speaker 2: Talk but there's definitely some parallels there with The celtics

2588
02:03:20,520 --> 02:03:23,360
Speaker 2: conversation right now with The math and the nerds and

2589
02:03:23,840 --> 02:03:26,080
Speaker 2: your Boy fellger yelling it's a human, Game, like no,

2590
02:03:26,240 --> 02:03:31,480
Speaker 2: KIDDING i understand there's not cgi athletes running. Around it's.

2591
02:03:31,560 --> 02:03:33,360
Speaker 2: Mental you miss so many shots in a, row it's.

2592
02:03:33,360 --> 02:03:36,880
Speaker 2: Mental you have to get. It get they're, humans they're

2593
02:03:36,920 --> 02:03:37,600
Speaker 2: not they're not.

2594
02:03:37,840 --> 02:03:40,280
Speaker 1: Robot, WELL i like our looks doesn't mean anything when

2595
02:03:40,320 --> 02:03:41,360
Speaker 1: guys are in their head about.

2596
02:03:41,360 --> 02:03:43,640
Speaker 2: It, well they normally make those. Shots they, did but they. Weren't,

2597
02:03:43,760 --> 02:03:47,320
Speaker 2: okay well they it's not it's because they may will

2598
02:03:47,360 --> 02:03:49,040
Speaker 2: take the same shots they took On monday night and

2599
02:03:49,080 --> 02:03:49,400
Speaker 2: they'll make.

2600
02:03:49,440 --> 02:03:51,520
Speaker 1: THEM i hope they don't shoot a three for like

2601
02:03:51,600 --> 02:03:52,080
Speaker 1: ten minutes.

2602
02:03:52,080 --> 02:03:54,280
Speaker 2: Tonight, well that would worry me because then they then

2603
02:03:54,320 --> 02:03:57,560
Speaker 2: they're listening to You bozo's too much at the sports

2604
02:03:57,640 --> 02:03:57,920
Speaker 2: ub over.

2605
02:03:57,960 --> 02:03:59,720
Speaker 1: There all, Right No joe's gonna come out of him

2606
02:03:59,760 --> 02:04:01,320
Speaker 1: shoot twenty threes in a.

2607
02:04:01,440 --> 02:04:04,240
Speaker 2: Row all. Right, well we'll be back next. Week hopefully

2608
02:04:04,280 --> 02:04:06,480
Speaker 2: this all this will be in better shape than they

2609
02:04:06,520 --> 02:04:08,800
Speaker 2: are right now in terms of the. Series but we'll

2610
02:04:08,840 --> 02:04:11,560
Speaker 2: be back next. Week Rookie mini. Caamp hopefully this weekend

2611
02:04:11,640 --> 02:04:13,720
Speaker 2: we'll get a look in on, that so we'll talk about.

2612
02:04:13,800 --> 02:04:16,240
Speaker 2: That we'll do our, roster we, said on the defensive

2613
02:04:16,240 --> 02:04:18,560
Speaker 2: side of the, ball and as always we'll take your

2614
02:04:18,600 --> 02:04:20,960
Speaker 2: calls and, Emails so thanks very. Much for, listening for,

2615
02:04:21,120 --> 02:04:24,680
Speaker 2: watching for, commenting and we'll see you guys next. Week,

2616
02:04:27,960 --> 02:04:29,880
Speaker 2: hey this Is. Fred thanks for tuning into the.

2617
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02:04:32,880 --> 02:04:35,560
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02:04:42,960 --> 02:04:43,720
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2622
02:04:43,840 --> 02:04:46,760
Speaker 2: Everything else that we do Here what The. Patriots thanks

2623
02:04:46,800 --> 02:04:47,080
Speaker 2: a lot