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Speaker 1: Did you see that Hillary Clinton yesterday said that if

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Speaker 1: that she would nominate you for the Nobel Peace Price.

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Speaker 2: At President Trump were the architect of that, I'd nominate

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Speaker 3: Well, that was very nice.

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Speaker 1: I may have to shug liking her again.

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Speaker 4: You're listening to the forty seven Morning Update with Ben ferguson.

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Speaker 2: Good Monday morning. It's nights. Have you with us on

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Speaker 2: the forty seven Morning Update, and we've got one major

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Speaker 2: forty seven Morning Update and it starts right now.

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Speaker 4: Story number one.

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Speaker 2: We've got a major story that we've got to talk

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Speaker 2: and I've got all the information you're gonna need and

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Speaker 2: it deals with Vladimir Putin, Ukraine Zelensky and Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: As you know, the summit took place on August the

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Speaker 2: fifteenth and Anchorage, Alaska, and officials present, including Marco Ruvio

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Speaker 2: and many of the envoy on the US side said

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Speaker 2: that there was real progress that was made. Democrats in

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Speaker 2: the media, of course, using the Sunday morning shows to

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Speaker 2: sources the territorial proposals have been floated. In fact, quote,

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Speaker 2: a potential peace framework is emerging. Putin reportedly offered to

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Speaker 2: withdraw from small areas in southern Sumi and other areas

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Speaker 2: in exchange for larger concessions from Ukraine. However, the ideas

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Speaker 2: remain controversial and unresolved. Notably, Russia wants Ukraine to renounce

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Speaker 2: NATO membership, partially lift sanctions, and acknowledge Russian sovereignty over CRIMEA.

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Speaker 2: Ukraine firmly rejecting these conditions publicly today. But then there's

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Speaker 2: where are we actually compared to the posturing in public. Well,

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Speaker 2: one of the things we are learning about is security guarantees.

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Speaker 2: In a notable development, Putin apparently agreed to allow the

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Speaker 2: hear what Marco Rubio had to say. He was on

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Speaker 2: No he didn't, but there's nothing to say that that's

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: Of course, the media is running with it because that's

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Speaker 2: you to hear the Secretary of State Rubio on Ukraine

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Speaker 2: and what he says. This meeting with Zelenski is going

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Speaker 6: If Vladimir Putin is going to be offered land that

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Speaker 6: doesn't this set a dangerous precedent that the United States

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Speaker 5: Well, Putin's already sees land by force, and that in

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Speaker 3: This whole war. Are you demanding a withdrawal for president?

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Speaker 5: Well, again, here's the In order to have a deal

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Speaker 5: both sides are going to have to make concessions.

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Speaker 3: That's just a fact.

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Speaker 5: Any negotiation, no, no, but if but this is not

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Speaker 5: otherwise there won't be a peace deal. Okay, if there

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Speaker 5: aren't concessions. If one side gets everything they want, that's

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Speaker 3: So in order for there to be a peace deal,

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Speaker 5: It may not, it may be distaste, but in order

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Speaker 5: Both sides are going to have to give up something

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Speaker 5: Now what those things are, it's going to be up

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Speaker 5: for example, Ukraine is a sovereign country. They have a

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Speaker 5: something needs to be worked on. Territories will have to

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Speaker 3: Who knows.

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Speaker 5: The point is we need to create a scenario where

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Speaker 5: that becomes possible. And that's why this has been so hard,

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Speaker 3: But we'll see if that's possible.

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Speaker 5: It may not be, but we're going to try and

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Speaker 5: we're going to do everything we can to try to

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Speaker 5: achieve a peace.

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Speaker 2: Now, think about what Marco Rubio just said there. He

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Speaker 2: root against that? Why would you want to root against

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Speaker 2: President Donald Trump? If he is able to get these

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Speaker 2: and that is part of what Marco Rubio also said

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Speaker 6: Ask about the security that you just mentioned there, because

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Speaker 6: Italy's Prime minister says that President Trump provide the idea

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Speaker 6: of security guarantees inspired by NATO's Article five and a

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Speaker 6: collective security clause that would involve the United States. How

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Speaker 3: To mons, Well, that's what we're going to be working on.

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Speaker 3: That's why.

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Speaker 5: That's one of the reasons why you know, I talked

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Speaker 5: with President Zelensky to discuss this in more detail. I mean,

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Speaker 5: the constructs of something like this needs to be built out.

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Speaker 5: One's a concept is one thing. The reality you know,

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Speaker 5: But those are the kinds of talks that we're going

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Speaker 3: That's not going to be very easy. That's going to

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Speaker 5: I think there has to be some discussion about security

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Speaker 5: of us want to see this war in the future.

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Speaker 5: They're a sovereign country. They have a right to have

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Speaker 5: And then there's the whole issue in construction, how do

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Speaker 5: that's what we're going to be meeting. That's why they're

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Speaker 3: Them, and even leading up to it throughout the week, there.

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Speaker 5: Were various meetings just to sort of build out some

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Speaker 5: There are concepts that require some more specificity. We'll need

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Speaker 5: to work with our partners to see what that looks like.

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Speaker 5: And I think that's an area where potential progress is real.

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Speaker 5: But that alone won't be enough. There's a bunch of

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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 2: We're going to be working right Notice how he's like,

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Speaker 2: we have things to work through. There's no way everything

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Speaker 2: could be agreed to to stop a multi year war

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Speaker 2: in a three hour time span when only one of

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Speaker 2: You think about their definitive success. It was an immediate

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Speaker 2: end of the war, a ceasefire immediately. When Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: going to happen. Everyone knows that was never going to happen.

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Speaker 2: There are concessions that may need to be made. There

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Speaker 2: are security guarantees that need to be made. And this

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Speaker 2: goes back to how much the media hates Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: They would rather him fail then stop the senseless killing

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Speaker 2: around the world. Now here's something else that also. Senor

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Speaker 2: Rubio said that it's important listen carefully.

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Speaker 3: Aim any concessions that Vladimir Putin made during this meeting.

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Speaker 3: Has he any prog of any concession in your program?

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Speaker 3: Why would I do that? Where is the quessure? Because

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Speaker 3: you can't have a piece agreement.

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Speaker 5: Now, you can't have a piece agreement unless both sides

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Speaker 5: give and get. You can't have a piece agreement unless

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Speaker 5: both sides make concessions. That's a fact, that's true, and

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Speaker 5: virtually any negotiation if not, it's just called surrender. And

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Speaker 5: neither side is going to surrender. So both sides are

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Speaker 5: going to have to make concessions. So of course concessions

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Speaker 5: were asked. But what utility would there be of me

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Speaker 5: going on a program and tell you we've wagged our

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Speaker 5: finger at Putin.

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Speaker 3: And told them you must do this and you must

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Speaker 3: do that.

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Speaker 5: It's only make it's only going to make it harder

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Speaker 5: and less likely that they're going to agree to these things.

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Speaker 5: So these negotiations, as much as everyone would love it

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Speaker 5: to be a live, pay per view event, these discussions

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Speaker 5: only work best when they are conducted privately. Negotiation serious

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Speaker 5: negotiations in which people who have to go back and

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Speaker 5: respond to constituencies, because even solitarian governments have constituencies they

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Speaker 5: have to respond to. People have to go back and

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Speaker 5: defend these agreements that they make and so and figure

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Speaker 5: out a way to explain them to people. So we

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Speaker 5: need to create space for concessions to be made. But

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Speaker 5: of course the concessions were asked.

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Speaker 2: Of course concessions were asked. We work and do these

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Speaker 2: discussions in private. Isn't it amazing how the media they

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Speaker 2: believe they're so important that they should be in the

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Speaker 2: middle of negotiations between Russia, Ukraine, the EU and the

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Speaker 2: United States of America. Leave it to the liberal media

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Speaker 2: to act like this while also hoping that the president fails.

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Speaker 2: The good news is the meetings are continuing and it

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Speaker 2: looks like President Trump is getting closer to peace, certainly

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Speaker 2: than anyone else has been able to do in the world.

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