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Speaker 1: Happy Tuesday, Happy NBA trade deadline. Eve Eve, I've already

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Speaker 1: seen a bunch of players move.

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Speaker 1: your bulls were busy earlier in the day making a

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Speaker 1: couple of trades, saying out maybe we'd get back to

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Speaker 1: being the team we were beginning of this season.

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Speaker 3: It was so cute. You make it all those moves

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Speaker 3: earlier today.

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Speaker 4: That was all about clearing cap space to go make

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Speaker 4: a move for somebody. Real.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. This is not gonna

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Speaker 1: make us better. This is all just we're rearranging things.

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Speaker 1: Ah Now, I feel like, you know, it's like when

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Speaker 1: you when you're sitting around and you go, you know,

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Speaker 1: I really think I need a change.

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Speaker 3: We need a change. What do we do.

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Speaker 1: Let's redo the living room. Oh, we don't have any

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Speaker 1: money for it. Nah, no outside of money. Let's just

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Speaker 1: move the furniture around. We'll move that chair from upstairs

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Speaker 1: into the furnit. We'll move that here. We move the

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Speaker 1: couch over to this wall right here. We'll take that

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Speaker 1: end table that your mom gave us that we have

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Speaker 1: in the office. We'll bring that down, put it there.

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Speaker 1: Boo the whole new living room and you think, hey,

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Speaker 1: all right, we accomplished something. We move stuff up and down,

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Speaker 1: we got up, we got our steps in, and hey,

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Speaker 1: we rearrange our living room.

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Speaker 3: Did you really make it better?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 1: But we just did something new, And that's kind of

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Speaker 1: what you did. And I dig that to make it

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Speaker 1: look like, hey, you know, we did some things. We

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Speaker 1: did some things. That's all I did.

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Speaker 4: Look, you had me until you started going into the

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Speaker 4: front furniture analogy, the idea of wandering around thinking about

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Speaker 4: changing and life and what all that. Yeah, no, I'm

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Speaker 4: with you. The deck chairs or or furniture.

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Speaker 1: And Lussavich is the is the recliner because you know

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Speaker 1: it's older, right, Yeah, I don't know how much time

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Speaker 1: we have left, but let's bring it down because I

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Speaker 1: like sitting at it in the office. Let's bring that down. Say, okay,

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Speaker 1: we're moving that down, all right, that's great. That means

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Speaker 1: you've got to move something else back up. Okay, we'll

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Speaker 1: do that as well. Just just think about it in

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Speaker 1: terms of stuff like that. You like, Husavich, is that

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Speaker 1: is that old comfy chair that still is reliable, you know,

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Speaker 1: the the uh the recline on.

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Speaker 3: It still works.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't stick, you know, as often as it used

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Speaker 1: to since you put some DW forty on it and

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Speaker 1: everything out WD forty on it and everything.

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Speaker 3: Okay, we're good now, now we're good that day. Think

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Speaker 4: Just go in and change it all up for appearance's sake,

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Speaker 4: shine it up real pretty, put an extra code of

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Speaker 4: pain on it and trying to pass it off is

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Speaker 4: new and then someone tries to do the providence and

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Speaker 4: realize how old and decrepit it may be. But about

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Speaker 4: all of that, to say, for the Bulls, it's the

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Speaker 4: shuffle out some old contracts. See if you can't catch

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Speaker 4: lightning in a bottle with Ivy, but all of it

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Speaker 4: and Simon's but it's nothing right, it's it's a whole

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Speaker 4: lot of hey miss misdirection to cover up the fact

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Speaker 4: that you're still not very good. I would expect at

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Speaker 4: on Thursday night, Kobe White being amongst those moves that'll

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Speaker 4: be made. But you're you're the bulls. You're you're no good.

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Speaker 4: And I tried to tell you that at the beginning

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Speaker 4: when you were Yeah, you caught out, You got suckered

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Speaker 4: by the fools. You got suckered by that fresh coat.

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Speaker 3: Of paint, man, and then you got.

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Speaker 4: You wiped your finger across it and it came off.

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Speaker 1: You're like, oh no, you guys were playing at a

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Speaker 3: You were. I thought, oh here comes the ball. No,

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Speaker 3: I do like what you did today.

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Speaker 1: Look, any time you move on from a guy who's

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Speaker 1: So you know, I like and Simon's was pretty good

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Speaker 1: I think they're gonna miss him more than people expect.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, look at you know, we're moving stuff around.

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Speaker 1: This is not something that's gonna suddenly turn you into

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Speaker 1: a great Big Eastern Conference contender. But if it's the

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Speaker 1: if it's gonna pour ten for bigger things, Okay, Like

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Speaker 1: if this Cavaliers trade for James Harden is a poor

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Speaker 1: ten for bigger things. Okay, outside of that, I got

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Speaker 1: a big question. I just have one question. I just

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Speaker 1: have one question about about this.

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Speaker 3: I think same question.

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Speaker 1: Now, look now, this is this is this is the

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Speaker 1: big move the last couple hours too big basketball stories

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Speaker 1: out of la Lebron. James likely to stay a Laker

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Speaker 1: through the deadline for the rest of the season. But

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Speaker 1: what we first talked about last night when the story broke,

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Speaker 1: it looked like the Clippers were gonna trade James Harden

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Speaker 1: to the Calves in exchange for a package that involved

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Speaker 1: Darius Garland. Now what it turns out to be, it's official.

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Speaker 1: Harden goes to the Calves for Garland and a second

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Speaker 1: round pick. Now, if I remember last night, wasn't it

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Speaker 1: the Clippers that were given the second round pick? Weren't

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Speaker 1: they giving picks? And it turns out the Cavaliers I

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Speaker 1: had to give picks to get James, right, But you know,

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Speaker 1: I look at this and I go, Okay, score one

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Speaker 1: for the Clippers, even though it's really weird clipper ish

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Speaker 1: timing because hey, we're trading Harden after we've come off

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Speaker 1: the biggest hot streak our team has had in years,

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Speaker 1: where you know, look at it, and I've never told

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Speaker 1: you that I think James Harden is going to be

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Speaker 1: someone that brings you championship, right, But overall that it's

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Speaker 1: really weird timing that this is when it happened. But

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Speaker 1: in the lineup, and you know, so that's a good thing, right,

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Speaker 1: that that's a good thing for the Clippers, because I've

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Speaker 1: said the whole time, this whole big Kawhi Paul George

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Speaker 1: It's like, guys, you know, you can't win a championship

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Speaker 1: building around a guys, a bunch of guys in their

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Speaker 1: mid thirties. You can't do it. It's pretty simple, Steve Balmer, Dude,

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Speaker 1: you can't. You can't build around guys like that. So

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Speaker 1: they get, you know, ten years back in Darius Garland. Again,

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Speaker 1: he's a pretty good player when he's healthy. But that's

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Speaker 1: pretty good. But the one question I have right and

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Speaker 1: this is this is a thing, Mike, because this is

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Speaker 1: the one question I have with with with James Harden.

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Speaker 1: This is why when I look at the Cavaliers, I'm

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Speaker 1: not sweating them anymore to win a championship. I'm not

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Speaker 1: sweating that suddenly they all of a sudden, all man,

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Speaker 1: they figured something out.

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Speaker 3: I gotta worry about them in the East.

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Speaker 1: One question, and this is it because I'm willing to

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Speaker 1: give James Harden the benefit of the doubt that this

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Speaker 1: trade wasn't quite as antagonistic as other trades were. He

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Speaker 1: never came out and just started insulting the front office

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Speaker 1: like he's done previous. He's never said, hey, I need

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Speaker 1: to be able to go out after games more. You know,

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Speaker 1: he never did anything like that. Right, This seemed to

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Speaker 1: be a little bit easier of a trade where look,

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Speaker 1: Harden had to waive his no trade. All right, I'm

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Speaker 1: willing to say that, Hey, this was not the typical

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Speaker 1: James Harden. Things are untenable, I want out right, I'm

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Speaker 1: willing to say that. But here's my big question. You're

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Speaker 1: the cavalier trading for James Harden. When has anyone been

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Speaker 1: a James Harden away from winning anything? When when the

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Speaker 1: optic and the idea of James Harden, Wow, James Harden.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, great, lots of teams that thought they

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Speaker 1: him for ten years, some had him for three years,

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Speaker 1: some had him for a year and a half, some

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Speaker 1: had him for twenty five games, And all of those

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Speaker 1: teams found out the same thing. We are not a

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Speaker 1: James Harden away from winning anything. He did not bring

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Speaker 1: us any closer to winning a championship when we got him,

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Speaker 1: asked the Sixers, as the Nets, ask the Clippers.

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Speaker 3: Right, he had a couple.

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Speaker 1: Of big seasons with the Rockets when it looked like

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Speaker 1: they would break through. But then what happens at the

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Speaker 1: end of big games in the playoffs, James Harden gets

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Speaker 1: tired in the fourth quarter, he can't make his shots,

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Speaker 1: There is no team that has ever been James Harden

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Speaker 1: this trade and say, oh, man, James taught ye hard

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Speaker 1: and big star, big player, big guy.

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Speaker 3: We talked about him a lot. I feel like in

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Speaker 1: Ball Oh, Dave Justic's big name, sell a lot of tickets, Pilly,

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Speaker 1: but his legs are gone.

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Speaker 3: Oh, big name day ten years ago, Dave Justice, big name.

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Speaker 1: But I mean it, I mean, do the Cavs really

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Speaker 1: think James Harden come in now we're gonna win. This

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Speaker 1: was the We had some core players that we had

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Speaker 1: four or five players we were building around. We thought

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Speaker 1: we're going a big Beasts of the East, but it

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Speaker 1: didn't work out. We've been on a down tick from

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Speaker 1: a season and a half ago. Now we don't know

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Speaker 1: what to do, So let's go get James Harden. No

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Speaker 1: team has ever been a James Harden away from winning anything.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the curiosity, right, We go back to the

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Speaker 4: Kevin Durant clown shoe years ago, what might have been

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Speaker 4: but for the extra size on his shoe that he wears.

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Speaker 4: But for James Harden, we've seen some colossal heat check moments,

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Speaker 4: and we've also seen him, you know, pulling up and

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Speaker 4: missing everything time and time again, not to mention being gassed,

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Speaker 4: being unavailable, you name it. We can play bingo and

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Speaker 4: just shout out random things from basketball lore. There was

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Speaker 4: even rumors of the fat suit. I mean, go back

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Speaker 4: all those years ago. But when you get down to this,

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Speaker 4: my only question was why. I get Maybe you don't

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Speaker 4: love Garland, maybe there's some more there behind the scenes there.

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Speaker 4: You got a player option for next year for Harden,

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Speaker 4: which I'm sure he would love an extension and some

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Speaker 4: more guaranteed money in the process here, But are you

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Speaker 4: sure you're gonna get the best of him for the

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Speaker 4: end of the year, because he's already still got a

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Speaker 4: year on the deal. It's like not expiring. It's not

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Speaker 4: an end of end of term kind of situation where

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Speaker 4: Thirty seven in a row.

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Speaker 1: like I. I. You know, the fit is not great

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Speaker 1: traveling All Stars, right, Wade will come out of retirement,

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Speaker 1: I mean Titus well Over, Harry Bosh, Bosh will come

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Speaker 1: town coming near you. The late thirties, early forties, all stars, right,

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Speaker 1: I love the nineties.

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Speaker 3: It's coming to you to arena near you.

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Speaker 1: Like outside of that, Like I see this and I go,

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Speaker 4: You're you know, let's gather the best of the nineties brand.

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Speaker 4: Uh yester year, right, dude, fun? Yeah, you're playing Tuesday

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame as a.

435
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Speaker 4: MET with a giant asterisk on his.

436
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Speaker 1: With the n Y and the Star. Uh, He's going

437
00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,560
Speaker 1: in as a Met. Jason, you got to be so happy.

438
00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,160
Speaker 1: You don't get Hall of Famers as mets very often.

439
00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:33,040
Speaker 3: No, I do not.

440
00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:37,600
Speaker 1: I absolutely do not get that. And that is not

441
00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,159
Speaker 1: app I do not get guys going in his mets.

442
00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,760
Speaker 1: That is that does not happen at all. So you'd

443
00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:46,399
Speaker 1: think I'd be really excited, but I'm not, and I'm not.

444
00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,480
Speaker 1: It's not it's noting about the cheating, because if you're

445
00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,200
Speaker 1: going to put Beltran in, and you know, if you

446
00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,399
Speaker 1: have some kind of display next to his name, you

447
00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,040
Speaker 1: can press a button and watch that backwards k that

448
00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,600
Speaker 1: Wayne Wright struck him out with the end the NLCS

449
00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,760
Speaker 1: looking in two thousand and six. Hey, okay, then there's

450
00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,359
Speaker 1: your uh, there's your display for Carlos Peltram.

451
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Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean when you get down to it, right,

452
00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,879
Speaker 4: the player has some input, but ultimately the Hall of

453
00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,160
Speaker 4: Fame gets to decide. They've got final authority, and they

454
00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,560
Speaker 4: probably would like to not have that astras and show

455
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Speaker 4: up right now.

456
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we'd rather have you go in as a

457
00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,320
Speaker 3: met boy. That's right. Nah, you're going in as a

458
00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:23,040
Speaker 3: met boy.

459
00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,320
Speaker 1: I must have boy that they still pissed off about

460
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Speaker 1: that cheating scandal.

461
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Speaker 3: They're making me go in asn't well, But.

462
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Speaker 4: It's another thing that they get to kick the can

463
00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,280
Speaker 4: down the road, right, because it's gonna be another few

464
00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:35,560
Speaker 4: years before we're voting on anybody else, ey that grouping,

465
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,680
Speaker 4: right at least five six, seven years, So by then

466
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Speaker 4: by then perhaps it's a distant memory.

467
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

468
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Speaker 1: Well, just like yeah, Beltrant, like this is the last

469
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Speaker 1: time I ever want to talk about Carlos Peltram because

470
00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,359
Speaker 1: that strikeout is just it's I mean, he strikes out

471
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Speaker 1: on three pitches with the bases loaded down by two

472
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Speaker 1: in the bottom of the night inning a Game seven

473
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Speaker 1: of the NLC.

474
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Speaker 4: This is where you have to go. If they had

475
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Speaker 4: little videos Jason On laying underneath of their highlights, which

476
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,280
Speaker 4: would be a great hall of fame add on, hey,

477
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,199
Speaker 4: committee up there, find some funding for it, and then

478
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,720
Speaker 4: you could go in and hack it. So it has

479
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,199
Speaker 4: that strikeout showing up in the middle of all his

480
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:14,760
Speaker 4: great celebratory moments.

481
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Speaker 1: I mean, I can't I think of Wayne Wright throwing

482
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,600
Speaker 1: the best curve in his life that he said, that's

483
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,480
Speaker 1: the best curve I ever threw him outfe gee, thanks

484
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,399
Speaker 1: a lot, and Beltran striking out with the bit I

485
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:28,240
Speaker 1: mean still and I could still see Laducah walking and

486
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,920
Speaker 1: Shay going crazy and Laducah pumping his fist at Beltran

487
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 1: going this is.

488
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Speaker 3: Who we want up, This is our MVP.

489
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Speaker 1: This is who we wand up with bases loaded three

490
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,200
Speaker 1: bleep and pitches man and the guy strikes out.

491
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Speaker 4: Ye. But to answer the best curveball thing, that's like

492
00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 4: when someone gets hurt on a ski run and then

493
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 4: it's like I was the last run of the day.

494
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Speaker 3: I mean what I mean?

495
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Speaker 4: I didn't see that guming same thing here he gets

496
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Speaker 4: the big out. What's he gonna say it was a

497
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,160
Speaker 4: mediocre curveball. No, it's the best one I ever threw.

498
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504
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Speaker 1: moving on, because that's last time we want to talk

505
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 1: about Carls Beltran. Ever again, I don't want to talk

506
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,159
Speaker 1: about fame. I don't want to talk about yet Mets

507
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Sure you can actually say that, You

508
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:28,680
Speaker 1: could actually say that.

509
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Speaker 4: Your guy, yes, Mets Hall of Fame, even though he

510
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 4: was barred from managing. Speaking of Hall of Fame, we

511
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 4: now know another leak who's not getting into the Pro

512
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,359
Speaker 4: Football Hall of Fame. And boy, this is this is

513
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 4: kind of like the Pro Football Hall of Fame knowing

514
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 4: not getting in leaking like we knew Belichick wasn't getting

515
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 4: in last week. Now tonight we know, and today we

516
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 4: know Bob Kraft is not getting in. This is like

517
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 4: that that the cop thriller, where.

518
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 1: The the the the bad guys seem to be always

519
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,639
Speaker 1: one step ahead, and you find out in the middle

520
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 1: where they go. They got somebody winning the department, They

521
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 1: got somebody doing this, somebody is tipping them off. They

522
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,120
Speaker 1: got they got a rat inside selling rating like that's

523
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 1: kind of what is every couple of days. Okay, let's

524
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: make sure we're not tipping off anybody. Let's we have

525
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 1: the big announcement NFL Honors. Yeah, yeah, that's fine. Oh,

526
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 1: Bob Craft isn't getting in either.

527
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 3: Wait how did you get that? I don't know, search me.

528
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 1: So now we know Bob Craft isn't getting in and

529
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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick not getting in, and I'll say the same

530
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,640
Speaker 1: thing for Bob because it really gets to be more

531
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 1: about Tom Brady than anything else. But let me just

532
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:39,479
Speaker 1: say this again, I'm not surprised Bob Craft isn't getting in.

533
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 1: I'll go back to me. I'm still surprised that everybody

534
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 1: is surprised that Belichick and Bob Craft did not get

535
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: into the the to the Pro Football Hall of Fame

536
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 1: because widen the lens out and you saw voters not

537
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,719
Speaker 1: give votes to the head coach and the owner of

538
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 1: a team that it's riddled in Super Bowls but also

539
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 1: riddled in scandal for the better part of two decades. Okay,

540
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,239
Speaker 1: you had Spygate, you had to flate Gate. I mean,

541
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: those are big things. You had a real lack of punishment.

542
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 1: These are things that are hard to get over. You know,

543
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: we talk about Fabrica the Game, and this is Fabrica

544
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,439
Speaker 1: the game type stuff. I mean, this is and however

545
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 1: serious you want to take to flate Gate, let's just

546
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 1: say that. Boy, there's a reason when you go on

547
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 1: probation that the judge doesn't want to see you back

548
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 1: in front.

549
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,479
Speaker 3: Dude, you gotta you were just in front of me

550
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 3: two weeks ago.

551
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 1: Like hey, of any team to get in trouble for

552
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 1: deflating footballs, the Patriots have to be the last team.

553
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: Because the Spygate scandal was the biggest cheating scandal we

554
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: had ever seen. It took months to try to figure out,

555
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: and still evidence got covered up, and it was more

556
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: of a halfway done investigation because the NFL just wanted

557
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 1: to move by this. But these are the voters saying, hey,

558
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: just like the scandal in Major League Baseball with Peds,

559
00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 1: I'm not going to vote for those guys.

560
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 3: Those have to find another way to get in.

561
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Speaker 1: I'm not surprised that this is how it went for

562
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: both Belichick and Craft, because these are the architects of it, right,

563
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, Spygate was his thing and the Flakegate likely

564
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: is thing. Bob Kraft, why I didn't know anything about it? No, dude,

565
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: you're the owner of the team. I'm sorry, but the

566
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 1: buck stops with you.

567
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 3: Right.

568
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: There's certain people that you can't say, well, you didn't know.

569
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: You're outside the circle of trust on this. Okay, you're

570
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: the owner of the team, the head coach of the team.

571
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 1: This is something that happened off the field. This was

572
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: a scheme that was hatched above the level of players.

573
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: So yeah, when these guys are up for the Hall

574
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 1: of Fame, I'm not surprised that voters are doing this.

575
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Speaker 1: And I go back to what I said about Belichick.

576
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Speaker 1: If you don't think they're a Hall of famers because

577
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Speaker 1: they cheated and spygate's a big deal, then good on you,

578
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Speaker 1: and I respect you, and I support you for not

579
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 1: voting for them ever into the Hall of Fame, because

580
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 1: that's a big thing, and if you can't go past that,

581
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: I get it, right, Look, I told you I think

582
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: Belichick's a Hall of Famer, But I understand people that

583
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 1: you can't get past bygate. Right, I get that. But

584
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: if all of a sudden, hey we're gonna let it

585
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: me next year, well that's where I have an issue with,

586
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: right that I kind of have an issue with that.

587
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: It's a little bit different the voting style from Major

588
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: League Baseball, where where they say, Okay, you didn't get

589
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 1: in here, but you're going to get in here. We

590
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 1: have this whole thing with new people coming in the

591
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: way you have to vote. The NFL does it a

592
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: little bit more complicated, but there's still a way to say, well,

593
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 1: you know, all you need is one person that didn't

594
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 1: vote for Belichick this year to say, oh yeah, yeah, no,

595
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 1: he's completely going to be on my ballot next year,

596
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 1: and guess what then he's getting it. So either either

597
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: you don't you vote for him for the Hall of

598
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 1: Fame is a Hall of Famer, or you don't vote

599
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Speaker 1: for him because the spygate but you got to stick

600
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: to have some kind of principles and stick to it

601
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: right for the one year banishment. It's like, what are

602
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,479
Speaker 1: you really doing right? You're not doing your job. Your

603
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: job is to say this guy's a Hall of Famer

604
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Speaker 1: or it's not. Your job is not to say you

605
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Speaker 1: like me telling pro football voters how to vote in

606
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Your job is not to say, well,

607
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 1: he'll be a Hall of Famer here. But I want

608
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 1: to put in my two cents here, and I want

609
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Speaker 1: to stand up on the SOAPPI no, no, no, hall

610
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Speaker 1: of Famer.

611
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Speaker 3: Not that's it. You have two choices. He's a Hall

612
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 3: of Famer or isn't and make that and stick with it.

613
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Speaker 4: Yeah, we talked about it a lot last week. Just

614
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 4: a problematic process in terms of voting. Hey, here's three players.

615
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 4: Compare them. Oh, by the way, here's a contributor and

616
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 4: here's a coach. Good luck vote for three of them.

617
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 4: So with the one hundred and fifty point system as

618
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 4: we look at it, right, one hundred and fifty votes

619
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 4: are cast by the fifty fifty electoral college here for

620
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 4: the that argument, how many of them just did the

621
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 4: I thought enough people would vote for him, so I didn't.

622
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 4: So it becomes kind of accidental as a group that

623
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 4: you just fall one short or two short, or whatever

624
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 4: the case may be. I'd be curious to see if

625
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 4: we could get some transparency in the actual final balloting

626
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 4: as to how this went, because you had what was

627
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 4: this grigorian right there in Kansas City who said, well,

628
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 4: I voted for the old guys because they're gonna fall off.

629
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Speaker 4: It's like, well, that's too bad. I mean, that's you know,

630
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 4: weepy sentimentality. Whatever. They've been on out of the foot

631
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 4: both for thirty years, and as much as they may

632
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 4: have been a Hall of Famer, you can think they're

633
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 4: a Hall of famer. They've had plenty of opportunities with this,

634
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 4: with Craft, with Belichick. To your larger point, you've if

635
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,199
Speaker 4: you've decided that you're going to make your case that

636
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 4: they shouldn't be in, then you should be voting for

637
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 4: three other people the next time they're on the ballot.

638
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 4: Right when Tom Brady comes up in that room, you know,

639
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 4: if that's your conscious conscience, then you shouldn't vote for

640
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 4: him either, unless you're gonna suddenly say, well, look he

641
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 4: went and wont in Tampa. Yeah, and clearly there no.

642
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 4: But here's the thing is, I see Belichick. They'll hold

643
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 4: their vote and right or wrong again, we can debate

644
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 4: right or wrong on this. Voters will hold Craft and

645
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 4: Belichick accountable for Spygate. They're not going to hold Brady

646
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 4: accountable for it because they're going to say how much

647
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,479
Speaker 4: did he know? Because what we've heard from spygate was

648
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 4: the information came into the coaching staff and it got

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Speaker 4: disseminated into game plans. So there's enough plausible deniability from.

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Speaker 3: You know on Brady's.

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Speaker 1: That's actually two words, uh, not one, not one big one.

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Speaker 1: So it's puzzled my ability for Brady. Where voters can say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't think he knew. Yeah, I don't think he

654
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Speaker 1: was in on it?

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Speaker 3: Did he was?

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Speaker 1: He the beneficiary of it? Yeah, but he still won

657
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Speaker 1: the Super Bowls. He went on to win, and quite honestly,

658
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Speaker 1: Brady's more likable. Right, you got Belichick scandal, Bob Craft scandal.

659
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Speaker 1: So I mean, okay, it's easy to say, yeah Brady,

660
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Speaker 1: I can, I can push him the other way on it.

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Speaker 1: Whereas Belichick and Bob Craft, I'm okay holding them accountable

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Speaker 1: for it.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I'm gonna go you know how much

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Speaker 4: I laugh at to flate Gape. But there's certain votes

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Speaker 4: that think that's an important piece of history. I mean,

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Speaker 4: you bring it up to try to describe why your

667
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Speaker 4: jets were so futile in their attempts to beat the

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Speaker 4: Patriots all these years. So you've got that. But you know,

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Speaker 4: the plausible deniability thing for Brady holds as much weight

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Speaker 4: for me as Lebron James not knowing that Anthony Davis

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Speaker 4: was getting traded or drafting Browny James. Oh, I had

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Speaker 4: nothing to do with that. They did that as a

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Speaker 4: personal solid without my me knowing, Like, hey, it's like

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Speaker 4: buying me a cake on my birthday when I didn't

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Speaker 4: announce that it was my birthday. Oh look at that.

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Speaker 4: It's Ronnie No. So all of that to say it's

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Speaker 4: it's craft Dot getting in. Uh. You know, part of

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Speaker 4: me wonders from Uh, it become became a conspiracy. How

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Speaker 4: do you like that? Now we can throw conspiracy and

680
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Speaker 4: of all, right, we went in as a unified block

681
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Speaker 4: against them in this process, or maybe the arguments were

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Speaker 4: just that compelling, uh in the hour or however long

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Speaker 4: they were debated. But also just the the concept of

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Speaker 4: when when it came to Kraft is all right, he'll

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Speaker 4: he'll get enough support, but I'm not going to vote

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Speaker 4: for him. And then enough people did that independently to

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Speaker 4: ur Suddenly it tipped the scales the other way.

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Speaker 1: Exit out about a Fresca exit, swollen Dome, Jason Smith,

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Speaker 1: Mike Harmon, live from the Fox Sports Radio studio. So

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Speaker 1: just get again right or wrong? This is this is

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Speaker 1: what the team riddle and scandal for two decades. Bill

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Speaker 1: Belichick on the field, Bobcraft for Spygate, Bobcraft also off

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Speaker 1: the field. They're not gonna hold Brady up to the

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Speaker 1: same standard. If they're gonna find they're gonna find a way.

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Speaker 1: Brady's have no problem getting in unanimous first ballot, all

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Speaker 1: of it. And I think, obviously learning from the attention

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Speaker 1: they got for this with Belichick getting out, I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of voters are gonna go I don't want

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Speaker 1: that again with Brady. I don't want to be the

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Speaker 1: one guy outed for not voting for Tom Brady. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna lose my vote. Yeah, let's make sure we vote

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Speaker 1: for Brady.

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Speaker 3: Cala.

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Speaker 1: Brady kind of benefits from this, like Brady benefits going. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we saw this gout. I'm not gonna have that happen

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Speaker 1: next time. When Brady got I'm gonna vote Julian Edelman in.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna vote in Corey Dillon, all the patrons, guys

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Speaker 1: are getting in. I don't want to be that guy.

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Speaker 1: They're all getting in. I'm voting for all of them,

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Speaker 1: Corey David Boston's getting in, Teddy Bruski's getting in.

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Speaker 3: I'm voted for all all. They're all getting in. They're

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Speaker 3: all getting in. So that's gonna go. Malcolm Butler is

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Speaker 3: getting in. They're all getting in. They're all gonna wind.

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Speaker 2: Up getting Be sure to catch live editions of The

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Speaker 2: Jason Smith Show with Mike harmon weekdays at ten pm

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Speaker 2: Easterns and pm Pacific.

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Speaker 3: So two big moves in the NBA.

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Speaker 1: Two huge boner won a trade, won a team, and

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Speaker 1: star that's not getting traded joining us now unique.

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Speaker 3: Perspective on both of these stories.

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Speaker 1: LA Basketball Insider Aflon Sports Sports Central LA Here in

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Speaker 1: La Spectrum Sports Net, he covers the Lakers and the Clippers.

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Speaker 1: He has longtime friend of the show who has been

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Speaker 1: undermining JJ Reddick at every turn.

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Speaker 3: The last year and a half. It is Mark Medina. Mark,

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Speaker 3: what's happening man? How are you?

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Speaker 5: Jason? I'm doing well now, Jason, come clean? Here are

728
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Speaker 5: you in pins and needles? This trade deadline on where

729
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Speaker 5: ger showing you Biselli is gonna kind up?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're trading you Bisselli for Yannis. You didn't know

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Speaker 1: that it stretched a straight up deal.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a fair deal for both sides. If I'm

733
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Speaker 5: in the Milwaukee Bucks, I say you got to pull

734
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Speaker 5: the trigger because you're not going to get a better

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Speaker 5: deal than that.

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Speaker 3: No, No, that's it. Forget about Oh you come on.

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Speaker 1: You want Tyler Hero and Haimi Haks and a bunch

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Speaker 1: of picks, not at a No, you want Yoabiselli?

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Speaker 3: You got you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you don't want Jimmy or Draymond Green from the

741
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Speaker 5: Golden State Warriors. It's you be selling all the way.

742
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Speaker 5: They got to keep the international talent pipeline intact.

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Speaker 4: Actually, how much would you want Jimmy Butler or Draymond Green.

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Speaker 5: Well, here's the thing. Jimmy Butler, you know you don't

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Speaker 5: know how much available he would actually be because of

746
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Speaker 5: his HL injury. With Draymond he could be available but

747
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Speaker 5: he could get ejected before the gaming event starts.

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Speaker 3: All right, so let's start with the James Harden trade.

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Speaker 1: You know you have a lot of this on on

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Speaker 1: on your social media account tonight, Like was this the

751
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Speaker 1: typical James Harden I kind of want out or was

752
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Speaker 1: this a little bit differently where Hey, the Clippers made

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Speaker 1: the move.

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Speaker 3: They made a trade and it was just.

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Speaker 1: One of those trades that happens where they got younger

756
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Speaker 1: and they got a little more athletic and maybe maybe

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Speaker 1: a little bit better in the long run.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it was amicable for both sides. This

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Speaker 5: James Harden exit is a pattern, but it's not the

760
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Speaker 5: same story. With Houston, it was because he didn't like

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Speaker 5: it direction the team was going. They got rid of

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Speaker 5: Darryl Moury and Mike D'Antoni. They're not resigning guys. He

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Speaker 5: wants out. It's clear Houston's going nowhere. With Brooklyn, it

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00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 5: was hey, Kyrie, how about you get the vaccine so

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Speaker 5: you can play basketball. He doesn't do it, so he

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Speaker 5: wants out Philadelphia. It's because Daryl Moury doesn't want to

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Speaker 5: pay him. He wants out here with the Clippers. It

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Speaker 5: wasn't as cut and dry of oh, you know, I

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Speaker 5: have a player option forty six million, I went out.

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Speaker 5: I think it was more of an amicable thing that

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Speaker 5: the Clippers knew they weren't heading anywhere beyond possibly gained

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Speaker 5: the plan tornament and that's it. And same thing with

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Speaker 5: James Harden knew that, so let's find a destination that

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Speaker 5: can give him a better playoff push. The Cleveland Cavaliers

775
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 5: they're somewhat under achievement, but they're still fourth in the East,

776
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Speaker 5: and with and with the Clippers, they get younger.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 5: Ironically enough, the Clippers in the short term might have

779
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 5: issues with health once again because Darius Garland has had

780
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Speaker 5: a toe injury up him out for the last nine games.

781
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 5: He's been saddled with injuries all season. But he is

782
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Speaker 5: younger for what it's worth. I've been told there's optimism

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Speaker 5: he'll be available after All Star break, so that's only

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Speaker 5: I think five more games and he's twenty seven. So yeah,

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Speaker 5: it was a clevetand break, very amicable. There will be

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Speaker 5: a video tribute and there won't be any burning jersey.

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Speaker 5: Is it into it though?

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Speaker 4: All right, Well, let's have a little fun of him

789
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Speaker 4: going to Cleveland Now, certainly some establishments are posting all

790
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 4: over the social media welcoming him to Cleveland. But for

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Speaker 4: James Harden, right, you mentioned the player option, so it's

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Speaker 4: the best of both worlds. I guess everybody wins to

793
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Speaker 4: a degree. Either Cleveland gets the best of him so

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00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,240
Speaker 4: he's ready to go into the marketplace with a massive

795
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 4: dollar amount, or he stinks and he opts in and

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Speaker 4: they still own forty plus million dollars.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, look, both of these moves could blow

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Speaker 5: up in their face. Theres Carland has more injuries, even

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Speaker 5: though there's optimism he'll be fine. James Harden, he hasn't

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00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 5: had a good playoff showing throughout his career, and he

801
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 5: has to share back court duties with Donovan Mitchell. You know,

802
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 5: he has shown that he's able to coexist with other

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Speaker 5: point guards, but there's always a certain limitation to that.

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Speaker 5: And so yeah, that's very well might not work out.

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00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 5: But I think what both sides concluded is that the

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00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 5: alternative is that the Clippers just barely make the play

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00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 5: in tornament. They don't have as much cap space for

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00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 5: next season, and the Cavs they're an early playoff out

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Speaker 5: because they've been underachieving this season, so doesn't guarantee anything,

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Speaker 5: but at least improves their odds relatively speaking, you know.

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Speaker 1: And it's weird because I very rarely use the phrase, Hey,

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Speaker 1: the Clippers had a big win with this.

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Speaker 3: But I feel like they did, like because.

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Speaker 1: Forever they're building around players who are in their mid thirties,

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Speaker 1: which you're not doing a championship on, but they couldn't

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Speaker 1: get away from it. Now they exchange James Harden for

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Speaker 1: a guy who's ten years younger. Yes, he has had

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00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: problem staying healthy, but if he does stay healthy, I

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Speaker 1: think they were the big winner in this trade because

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Speaker 1: I don't know anybody that says, hey, let's go get

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Speaker 1: James Harden. We think he's going to be great in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. You're going to be exhausted by the playoffs

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Speaker 1: every year for James Harden.

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Speaker 3: That's how it goes.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think with what Darius Garland looks at

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Speaker 5: this is it's a fresh opportunity because even though he

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Speaker 5: and Donovan Mitchell co existed fine, and there weren't turf

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Speaker 5: battles of oh I want to handle the ball, I

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Speaker 5: want to score, playmake, they had to share that and

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Speaker 5: he's his natural position is playing at point guard, so

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Speaker 5: I think that you'll get a better version of him

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Speaker 5: than what you saw in Cleveland. That's point number one.

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Speaker 5: Point number two. With his injuries, they're tow injuries. It's

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Speaker 5: not you know, hamstring knee issues, injuries that have to

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Speaker 5: have load management. And he's younger. So while there are

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Speaker 5: a lot of fair short term questions on okay, he's

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Speaker 5: not playing right away until after All Star break and

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Speaker 5: what's the integration process is going to be, this is

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Speaker 5: more of the long term play because again, you know,

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Speaker 5: they started out I think six and fifteen, and they've

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00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 5: been on a tear lately. But it's really just saying

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Speaker 5: them up to be a playins tournament team or you know,

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00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 5: somehow some way get in as a six seed, but

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Speaker 5: just be a speed bump out in the first round

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Speaker 5: and that's it. It's really about next season to try

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Speaker 5: to see can they load some younger talent around Kawhi

847
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Speaker 5: Leonard so that he actually has a fighting chance to

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Speaker 5: win a championship because ever since he joined the Clippers,

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Speaker 5: it's always been one thing after another of this crazy

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Speaker 5: combination of his own injuries, another teammates injuries, or just

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00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 5: underachieving performances all around that have resulted in exactly one

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Speaker 5: Western Conference Finals appearance in a bunch of early playoff

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Speaker 5: exits beyond that, NBA.

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Speaker 4: In Cider, Mark Madina our guest here, Fox Sports Radio,

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Speaker 4: Jason Smith Show with Me, Mike Garman. You find them

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Speaker 4: on Twitter at mar g Underscore Medina. I see all

857
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Speaker 4: the CVC all of his latest clips up there as

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Speaker 4: well interviews including Q and A. You got a little

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Speaker 4: bit with Lebron Jay too reportedly. You look, he's going

860
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 4: to finish the season with the Lakers and everybody moves on. Realistically,

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Speaker 4: was there a market for him at all other than

862
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 4: wave your no trade and go to a bottom feeder

863
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 4: to finish out the year so they could sell tickets.

864
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, you hit it on the head. There's not really

865
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 5: a market because he makes fifty two million dollars a year,

866
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 5: even though every team went to Lebron James, even at

867
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 5: his stage of his career with how you know respectable.

868
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 5: He's playing twenty two points seven. It's not much defense,

869
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 5: but you know, he's a team player. It's not worth

870
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 5: giving up so much for that, especially knowing that this

871
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 5: could be his last year. So Yeah, he wasn't going anywhere,

872
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 5: even though you know clearly the writing on the wall

873
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 5: with the Lakers and Lebron is that after this season

874
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 5: they're going to part ways. This has always been a

875
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 5: transactional relationship for better and for worker. So the next

876
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 5: transaction is, don't make a transaction, because a better play

877
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 5: for the Lakers is to try to see what kind

878
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 5: of chemistry he can have with Luke Doctor and Austin

879
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 5: Reeves now that he's back, and then have a clean

880
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 5: break this upcoming summer. Same thing with Lebron. He can

881
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 5: make the most of what he has playing with Lucas

882
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 5: shows that he's a team guy and taking a back seat,

883
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 5: and then see whether it's Cleveland or Golden State or

884
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 5: you know, team number three that's willing to take him

885
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 5: on a relative discount with one shot, one more shot

886
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 5: to win a championship. My money is on Cleveland, and

887
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 5: that'll be an interesting combination with Donovan, Mitchell, James Harden

888
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 5: and Lebron. But I don't think anyone, including Lebron, really

889
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 5: knows at this point other than it's not going to

890
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 5: be with the Lakers.

891
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 1: You know. The thing is, though, looking at this trade deadline,

892
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: now and you know, the Lakers obviously, or Lebron getting

893
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: ahead of the Oh hey, I'm.

894
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 3: Going to stay here for the rest of the rest

895
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 3: of the season.

896
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: Was there any real activity, was there any real potential

897
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: there teams were sniffing around, going, hey, maybe we can

898
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: make something happen for Lebron or was.

899
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 3: That just a pipe dream?

900
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 5: Just a pipe dream? I mean, I think that every

901
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 5: team has conversation just to see what the other team says.

902
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 5: But when you're looking at Lebron, it means that you

903
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 5: have to give up fifty two million dollars in assets.

904
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 5: And you know, again, this isn't any knock on Lebron.

905
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 5: He's not the same player as he was in his

906
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 5: prime of his career. But I think he's still deserving

907
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 5: of an All Star candidacy as a reserve. But you're

908
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 5: having to give up so many rotational pieces, potential draft picks.

909
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 5: It's not really worth it to have him at this

910
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 5: stage of his career just play for the second half

911
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 5: of the season without assurances on what that means for

912
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 5: the next season. And you know, even the other thing

913
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 5: is teams might not even want to be on next

914
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 5: season because of the number that he's making that he

915
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 5: hopes to make from a salary standpoint. So yeah, I mean,

916
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 5: I think the conversations that the Lakers have had is

917
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 5: about what they can do to upgrade their wing depth

918
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 5: and maybe their center spot. But a lot of players

919
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 5: have already been left off the board with Kean Ellis

920
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 5: and the Hunter, and I don't see Trey Murphy the

921
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 5: third going anywhere from New Orleans. Same thing with Herb Jones.

922
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 5: And when you add all this stuff up, you know

923
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 5: Naujie Marshall and Daniel Gafferd from Dallas, they're not dealing

924
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 5: with the Lakers again after this Lukadacchivs trade backfired on them.

925
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 5: You add all that up, there's really no other players

926
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 5: available for the Lakers to make even marginal upgrades. So

927
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 5: I want to be surprised that you know they'll walk

928
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 5: away with nothing after Thursday's deadline passes.

929
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 4: Anything else that you're hearing in the in the offing,

930
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 4: I mean, they can't even get rid of Dalton Connect.

931
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 4: That's too bad, Mark Williams.

932
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 5: Believe me, they have tried. They have tried, but you

933
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,439
Speaker 5: know what has often ended is a Dulton Connect brick

934
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 5: three point shot nicely done.

935
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 4: Any any other big games that might be in the moves.

936
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 4: I know my Bulls are getting rid of everybody, but

937
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 4: anything else you're hearing on the winds, Yeah.

938
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 5: Two names. I mean Job Moran, he's out with Memphis.

939
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 5: I mean with this deal with Jared Jackson Junior going

940
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 5: to the Utah Jazz, It's clear that the Memphis are

941
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 5: just about tearing this down and collecting assets. I don't

942
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 5: know where he's going and how much he's going to

943
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 5: get in return, but I think clearly the right on

944
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 5: the wall is that the Grizzlies don't care as much

945
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 5: about that other than to try to hit the reset button.

946
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 5: So he's going to be dealt before Thursday. The other

947
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 5: obviously big name we have to pay attention to is

948
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 5: with the Anasonse Tokombo. If he is going to get traded,

949
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 5: I think it will be with the Warriors. But I

950
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 5: don't think that he's going to get traded because even

951
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 5: though the Warriors are making everyone with exceptional Steph Curry available,

952
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 5: I think the Bucks are of the mind of if

953
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 5: I'm going to trade my franchise player, I have to

954
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 5: get a haul in return, and there's a value in

955
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 5: waiting until this summer, you know, for them to see

956
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 5: potentially more offers, more competition, and more time. So I

957
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 5: think that Giannis stays put in Milwaukee, but that thing

958
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 5: can always be fluid, because that's a real game changer.

959
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,720
Speaker 1: Now, wait, let's go back to John Moran here, because

960
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: you know, in the last couple of weeks it's like, boy,

961
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 1: there's no market for the guy, because who's going to

962
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: give up anything. You're saying, they'll just take back the

963
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: bare minimum just to just to get rid of them

964
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: from the roster.

965
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 3: Like that's the kind of deal you see happening.

966
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look, don't get your hopes up that

967
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 5: job Moran's going to be playing with Jalen Brunson with

968
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 5: the New York Necks just by trading Gershan Yabuselli. But

969
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 5: what I'm saying with the Grizzlies is with them trading

970
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 5: Jared Jackson Junior just now to the Utah Jazz. You know,

971
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 5: they part of ways with desben Van last summer. I

972
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 5: think that Jackson Junior deal signified they're in reset mode

973
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 5: and it's no longer about getting this huge haul for Jaw.

974
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 5: It's about getting the best option available. But I think

975
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 5: best option available will still be more than what Kershawn's worth.

976
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 5: So he's not going in the Knicks, but he might

977
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 5: get pennies on the dollar elsewhere.

978
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 3: We won seven in a row. We fixed all the

979
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:51,760
Speaker 3: defensive issues. It's fine.

980
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 5: Two all stars, two players in the All Star Game.

981
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 5: The Antonio Spurs didn't even get that.

982
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: No, look, Mark, all we had to do was we

983
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 1: learned a lesson that every other team has learned. It's

984
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: hard to repeat his champions. They're trying to repeat from

985
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: November with the ist. They you get a little bit

986
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: of a downtick in January, and now I just got

987
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,439
Speaker 1: to figure out how to get past the dog days

988
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: of that.

989
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 3: We have nothing.

990
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 4: You used that with Mark last week.

991
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 3: He didn't buy that is fine. Everything is fine.

992
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 5: I remember Jason saying that last week, but I don't

993
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,760
Speaker 5: think he really believed it. Now, I think he surely

994
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 5: believes that he's going all in go New York and

995
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 5: New York.

996
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 3: He's on Twitter at mark G Underscore Medina. That's at

997
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 3: mark G Underscore Medina.

998
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: Mark has always appreciate your time with us, my friend,

999
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you soon.

1000
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 5: Enjoy the deadline, Jason, Mark Goalis get talking and Jason

1001
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 5: continue to enjoy the the end season tournament Championship.

1002
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 3: There, you got it.

1003
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 4: You know it's you can enjoy the last appearance Mark

1004
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 4: Medina on this program.

1005
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 3: Hi, st Champion, you know the thing we call Mark?

1006
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: Did you miss that? He said his own name, he said.

1007
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: I think he said his own I don't think he

1008
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 1: called you Mark. I think he said his own name

1009
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: because I said Mark and he said Jason Mark.

1010
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,439
Speaker 3: Though that's what he said. I think he just said

1011
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 3: his own name.

1012
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 4: We'll have to check the videotape, all right, or the

1013
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 4: audio tape because it's radio.

1014
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 3: But I got what you're saying. That's what I got.

1015
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 4: Three cameras staring at me. I mean they're not on.

1016
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 3: I think he just I think these cameras aren't on.

1017
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 3: Uh No, I think he just uh. I think he

1018
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 3: just said his own name.

1019
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: Bye by that instead of saying because I said Mark, Mark,

1020
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: thanks a lot, Jason Mark. Like I think he just

1021
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 1: because I said Mark, he said Mark. He's going third person.

1022
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: He's like Terry Crews in Brooklyn nine nine. Terry doesn't

1023
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: like that. Terry thinks we should go over here. Terry's

1024
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:41,760
Speaker 1: not happy.

1025
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 3: I think that's what he was doing,