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Speaker 2: Hey everybody, I'm Robert Evans. This is Behind the Bastards,

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Speaker 2: a podcast by a man who is preparing for the

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Speaker 2: entrance of the new regime, the need to go underground.

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Speaker 2: So I'm in my chut block today. You know, if

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Speaker 2: you're a tall white man and you wear a hoodie

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Speaker 2: with a deer head on it, you're effectively invisible. So

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm prepared for the new world. Are you?

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Speaker 1: You look great?

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Sophie. I love my chud hits. It's actually

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Speaker 2: incredibly comfortable. Hi. Every year after deer season, this exact

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Speaker 2: hoodie comes on for sale at a store near me,

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Speaker 2: and so I can get like three for five bucks

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Speaker 2: each or some shit like that, and they're crazy comfortable.

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Speaker 1: And uh per usual. I spent the last hour trying

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Speaker 1: to make myself look nice enuf for the camera. So

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Speaker 1: people aren't mean to me on the internet.

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Speaker 2: Yep, yep, very different, very unequal situation. But I'm also

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Speaker 2: not going to spend an more time caring about my appearance.

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Speaker 1: Fair enough. What are we doing today, Ert.

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Speaker 2: Well, Sophie, the same thing we do every night, try

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Speaker 2: to take over the world of podcasting. Oh wait, we

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Speaker 2: already did that. Yeah, I guess let's answer some q

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Speaker 2: and as from our fans.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we put out a post on our Instagram

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Speaker 1: at Bastard's Pod, and many of you sent in questions

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Speaker 1: and so we're going to try to answer a lot

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. The gist of this situation is, folks, it's

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Speaker 2: the end of the year. This is when all of

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Speaker 2: the companies that buy ads are really buying ads, and

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Speaker 2: it's it's you know, when everybody wants to get as

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Speaker 2: many people listening as possible. And we decided, rather than

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Speaker 2: doing something that's zero effort and like you know, running

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Speaker 2: more episodes, which we do when we take a break,

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Speaker 2: we wanted to give you guys a chance to ask

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Speaker 2: us some questions and also make sure that we're providing

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Speaker 2: you with new stuff because you crave new stuff. You

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Speaker 2: won't stop demanding it every instant of our live. Sophie

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Speaker 2: and I think of nothing but pleasing your insatiable appetites.

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Speaker 2: So Sophie went on Instagram and asked if you guys

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Speaker 1: Robert, Yes, what was your least favorite episode to do?

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Speaker 1: And why.

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Speaker 2: Least favorite to do? I assume they're asking, ever, I

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Speaker 2: hate I really unless it's a place where I have

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Speaker 2: a specific interest. I really hate the Foreign Leader episodes,

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Speaker 2: Like obviously Stallin's a foreign leader, but I've been reading

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Speaker 2: about Stalin my whole live. Hitler's a four um, but

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Speaker 2: I've read more books about Hitler than anybody who's not

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Speaker 2: don't know much about Brazilian politics coming in Netan Yahoo,

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Speaker 2: I don't know much about you know, politics over there.

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Speaker 2: So like getting up to speed, not just because you can't.

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Speaker 2: It's not just enough to like learn what was ntyah

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Speaker 2: Who's childhood, Like, you also have to know like the

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Speaker 2: dynamics of politics prior to him coming into power, and

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Speaker 2: that in a way that you don't totally embarrass yourself.

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Speaker 2: Is is a lot of work, and it's also nerve

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Speaker 2: But like certainly like it was the kind of thing

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Speaker 2: anxious about those episodes. It's they're important to do. We'll

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Speaker 1: Course it's it's especially with history because it's so subjective. Yeah, sure,

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Speaker 1: I really fucking hate when we do the like willedness

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Speaker 1: We did get this question quite a bit, and people

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Speaker 1: want to know how you celebrated the passing of Henry Kissinger.

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Speaker 2: You know, to be honest, that was a pretty normal

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Speaker 1: Let's say I had a beer. So cryptic? What the

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Speaker 1: fuck you sound so unwell? Robert? Is there an episode

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Speaker 1: talk or individual that you have covered that I've left

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Speaker 2: Everything we do on healthcare, Yeah, every time we have

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Speaker 2: I'm fucking livid. Industrial the Hawk's Nest Tunnel disaster Union

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Speaker 2: Like to some extent, I find those guys more offensive

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Speaker 2: So yeah, those make me very angry.

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you one that won't make you

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Speaker 1: very angry, Robert, what is your opinion on modern Star Trek?

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Speaker 1: I love most of it, so what they say.

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Speaker 2: I want fucking a like do one where Rikers like

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Speaker 2: we're moving forward on the timeline, but we're not leaping

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Speaker 2: into like weird future warshit Like, I'm not mostly interested

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Speaker 2: live in reality, but with places that are not utopia,

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Speaker 2: what I love in my Star Trek. I don't Star

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Speaker 2: Trek's never had good space battles. I'll say that, right.

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Speaker 2: in Serenity is a better space battle in terms of

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Speaker 2: for space battles. I've got other shit for space battles.

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Speaker 1: That was very thorough.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Uh this question, who is your fantasy guest?

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Speaker 2: Fantasy guest? Uh? Marissa Tomay During the my cousin Vinny.

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Speaker 2: Uh were were talking about fantasy here.

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Speaker 1: I think they wow very specific. I think they mean,

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Speaker 1: if you could have anybody come and guest on the podcast,

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Speaker 1: who would your dream?

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Speaker 2: No, yes, I know what they meant. I would love

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Speaker 2: I would just love to talk with either Alan Moore

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Speaker 2: Verner Herzog. Sure, but I think, uh yeah. In terms

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Speaker 2: of funny people, I think Will Ferrell would probably be

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Speaker 1: Can you guess who mine is?

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Speaker 2: Who's yours? Can you guess yours is Harry Styles?

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Speaker 1: Nope? Okay, there's only one obvious answer.

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Speaker 2: Because it would be it would be like really funny

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Speaker 2: to bring Harry Styles one and just to like Unit

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Speaker 2: seven thirty one, just like NonStop four hours of the

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Speaker 2: most nightmareish stories of torture.

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Speaker 1: And you just go like treat people with kindness. What

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Speaker 1: are you talking about? No, that's not who it is.

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Speaker 1: Uh huh, there's only there's only one person it could be. Okay,

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Speaker 2: No, I don't. I gave you my guess.

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Speaker 1: The listeners are disappointed.

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Speaker 2: Okay, they're lists of pointed.

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Speaker 1: It's it's Lebron James.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, Yeah, I mean we could try. We could

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Speaker 2: talk about two experts like us. I mean, I think

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Speaker 2: a lot of people would enjoy hearing our different feelings

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Speaker 2: on ball handling, on three pointers, other basketball stuff. Those

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Speaker 1: Guys, I think a lot of people would want to

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Speaker 2: Outbreak, Sophie, Yeah, the subreddit's going to be very uncomfortable today.

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Speaker 2: We are back Robert.

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Speaker 1: This question was asked five hundred and fifty two thousand times.

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Speaker 1: One can we expect a sequel to After the Revolution? Uh?

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Speaker 2: Well, the book's done, basically, I'm almost I've finished the

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Speaker 2: make it make sense. I think probably in January, I'll

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Speaker 2: very soon. It's taken much longer than I had hoped

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Speaker 2: it would. In my defense, both my parents died since

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Speaker 2: publishing the first one, so you know that's not really

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Speaker 2: an excuse, but it's going to make you feel bad,

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Speaker 2: and so you're not going to like follow up with

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Speaker 2: complaining that the book's not out yet. I'm manipulating you.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm a monster. I know it, but I'm

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Speaker 2: good at it.

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Speaker 1: You're allowed. Uh, you've referenced that there are people who

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Speaker 1: start to look into but ultimately find that there isn't

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Speaker 2: Man, there's I mean, most of it was on cracked

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Speaker 1: Let's let's do a fun one before the next adbreak, Robert.

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Speaker 1: It's time Brad's again. We'll be back, Robert, We're back.

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Speaker 2: worked as in a seasonal format the way that it

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Speaker 2: does as a weekly, even though making this into a

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Speaker 2: weekly show has destroyed my life, but in a good way.

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Speaker 1: Well it's not even just that, because it started as

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Speaker 1: weekly and then and then you're like, man, would it

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Speaker 1: makes sense if we like split things into parts? Mm hm,

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Speaker 1: So now it's now it's a twice weekly show at least.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, oh, our origin. Hm, that's so cute.

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Speaker 2: But yeah.

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Speaker 1: Anyways, we worked at this company called how Stuff Works

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Speaker 1: and for Stuff Media whatever whatever. They went publicly by

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Speaker 1: how Stuff Works and then the company was called Stuff

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Speaker 1: Media and then all of a sudden one day they

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Speaker 1: were like, oh, hey, by the way, we just got

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Speaker 1: bought by iHeartRadio. You work for them now? And we

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Speaker 1: were like, yep, cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well I don't know nothing to do here, and

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Speaker 2: that's how life is. And you're in media.

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Speaker 1: When you're in media, you know, I really I really

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Speaker 1: like our team. And that's all I'm gonna say about that. Robert,

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Speaker 1: Can you give us a cat update?

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Speaker 2: Cat update? I mean, they're cats, so very little changes

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Speaker 2: in their day to day life. If things are doing.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's many questions about your cat then just you

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Speaker 1: know anything interesting.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Saddam Hussein had a problem two years ago.

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Speaker 1: Are you telling this story?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he tried to have There's a blanket he likes

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Speaker 2: to have sex with that's usually on my couch. I

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Speaker 2: mean he's been he's been neutered, but he still tries

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Speaker 2: to have sex with it. And that blanket got a

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Speaker 2: seed that's like a sharp seed. It's one of those

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Speaker 2: seeds that's like sticks to your pants in it, and

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Speaker 2: he managed to get wedged inside his urethra and it

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Speaker 2: nearly killed him. But he's fine now, fine, Now. There

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Speaker 2: haven't been reoccurrences of any urinary shoes, which are very

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Speaker 2: serious in male cats. If your male cat isn't peeing,

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Speaker 2: get it to the vet immediately. Hours matter, hours matter.

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Speaker 1: The most amazing thing about that story is I once

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Speaker 1: made Robert during this time, shortly after after we knew

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Speaker 1: that I'm the same, it's gonna be okay. Uh, join

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Speaker 1: a call with a well, let's just call him an

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Speaker 1: entertainment person that was not being a chill guy, and uh,

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Speaker 1: do you remember this story on a project we decided

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Speaker 1: we ultimately decided not to work on.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, decided to work on.

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Speaker 1: But it was like it was going to be a

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Speaker 1: very unpleasant phone call. And Robert gets on and Robert

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Speaker 1: has maybe spoken to this man for ten seconds once,

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Speaker 1: and he's like, hey, how's it going, Robert? And Robert's like,

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Speaker 1: my cat got a seed stuck up his urethra. And

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Speaker 1: I really treasured that moment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so do I That.

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Speaker 1: Was beautiful for me. Let's do let's do one more.

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Speaker 2: Okay. I love questions. I love answers. I love answering questions.

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Speaker 2: I love questioning answers. You know all of those things.

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Speaker 2: A good time, Robert Sophie.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why I say your name with who

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Speaker 1: else would I be asking? I mean, besides Anderson? Anderson? No,

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Speaker 1: what activities do you?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: This is for both of us. What activities do y'all

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Speaker 1: do to ease your mental health after researching and hearing

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Speaker 1: about awful things?

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Speaker 2: That's an option.

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Speaker 1: This is mine. This is my answer right here, this

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Speaker 1: beautiful dog I'm holding and for the audio only people,

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Speaker 1: I'm holding up Anderson and she looks quite beautiful. You

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Speaker 1: should do.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, tragically, I've been sober for a while, and we'll

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Speaker 2: be staying sober. So I just get depressed and then

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Speaker 2: get better and better at shooting a gun. That's how

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Speaker 2: I spend my free time.

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Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, do you want that on the internet?

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Speaker 2: Why not?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. You could have. You could have said,

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Speaker 1: I go for runs most days.

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Speaker 2: I go for runs most days. I lift weights, I

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Speaker 2: push body armor and high firing a handgun. Yes, I

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Speaker 2: do all these things.

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Speaker 1: You have farm animals that are wonderfully magical.

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Speaker 2: I do have farm animals in which I trained hitting

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Speaker 2: moving targets in the woods.

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Speaker 1: You have wonderful friends.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes I trained shooting stuff in the woods with them.

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Speaker 1: Your business partner is a very supportive person.

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Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, lots of that. I missed drugs, Sophie. I

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Speaker 2: hate being sober, but it's okay. I've been doing it

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Speaker 2: for years. I'll keep it up. It's just miserable.

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Speaker 1: Great, buddy, Well, give the people a Boston rob and

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Speaker 1: then we'll be on our way.

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Speaker 2: And boy, you've Boston nnkey? Is that good enough for

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Speaker 2: you people? Does that make you happy? Is that what

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Speaker 2: you want? No one's ever happy when they get what

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Speaker 2: they want.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back on Thursday with another round of questions.

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Speaker 2: Questions, Robert, So how they say it in Boston.

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Speaker 1: At this point, Robert, what percentage of them do you love?

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Speaker 1: The number went down from forty that's for fucking sure.

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Speaker 2: No, that's probably still about right. That's close close enough

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Speaker 2: for government.

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Speaker 1: Work for me. Thirty two percent.

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Speaker 2: Thirty two percent. Wow, you guys really got to pump

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Speaker 2: your Sophie numbers up. I don't know. I feel fine

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Speaker 2: about our fans, you know, Look, there's a lot of them,

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00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 2: and so some chunk of them are always going to

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Speaker 2: be doing something weird and off putting. But usually when

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Speaker 2: I encounter our fans, it's in the context of them

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Speaker 2: like doing something nice that's helpful to people out in

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Speaker 2: the world, Like run into a lot of fans handing

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Speaker 2: out food, run into a lot of fans being street medics,

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Speaker 2: run into a lot of fans protesting genocide. So I'm

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Speaker 2: generally very positive towards our fans, especially the ones who

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Speaker 2: are a forkliff certified. You are really the ones that

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Speaker 2: we do this for. You know, whenever I close my

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Speaker 2: eyes before sitting down to write an episode that I

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Speaker 2: know is going to really take it out of me,

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Speaker 2: I thank to you guys driving your forklifts, and you

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Speaker 2: know that that gives me the fuel I need to

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Speaker 2: go on.

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Speaker 1: Bye. Behind the Bastards is a production of cool Zone Media.

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