1 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Gear Talk. Your Talk is a podcast where 2 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 1: Jordan's Bud and I, to be honest to tell us, 3 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: are going to your guessed it talk about gear, anything 4 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: and everything about gear. What we like about it, we 5 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: don't like about it, what's new, what's old, how we 6 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: use it, learned stuff that we don't know about gear 7 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: and how it's made, you name it. We're gonna have 8 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: segments where gear experts call in and help us, you know, 9 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: learn things about gear and understand gear. And when I 10 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: say gear too, I want to clarify that it's gonna 11 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: be everything from clothing, hats to boots, you know, hunting gear, 12 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: from guns to archery equipment. Chance that you might use, 13 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: you know, just backpacking or sleeping in you know, nives 14 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: that you're using to cut up your animals. We might 15 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: get even get into fishing gear sometimes if we get 16 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: a wild hair up our asses. Uh, it's endless. Yeah, 17 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: I think we should talk about we should talk about 18 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: trucks sometimes too. I think so too. Sideboy, Oh I 19 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: like it, don't I'm going Yeah, I'm going after this. 20 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: I'm literally going to sign the paperwork on my canadon sick. 21 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: Which would you go with I got a Defender HD 22 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,639 Speaker 1: nine and x T and then put a put doors 23 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: and windshield and the heater in it, so it'll be 24 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: pretty It would be pretty sweet, dude. I didn't do 25 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: heater and mine because I went with the with the 26 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: single bench with the six ft bed and it just 27 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: doesn't come standard with it, and I didn't think to 28 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: add it on. And that was my one mistake. And 29 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: mine is actually at the shop right now getting a 30 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 1: heat or put in because you don't realize that when 31 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: you're working in it in cold temps that if you 32 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 1: don't have heat in there. There's two things you can do. 33 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: One you can keep the windows all rolled up and 34 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: basically frost yourself inside there and you can't see anything. 35 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: Or you have to keep the windows down and be 36 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: like running goggles and whatever so that you can keep 37 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: you know, the same you know, temp in and out 38 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: so that you don't you know, frost over your windshield 39 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: and uh anyways, yeah, good move on getting the heater. 40 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: But is that is that version you got? Is that 41 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: with the two benches, No, it's just with the single Yeah, 42 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: so I can. I've got a trailer that I use 43 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: now for like hunting and camping in But part of 44 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: the reason I did it is so I could put 45 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: the side by side in it and two benches won't fit, 46 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: so just a single bench and it's just nicer to 47 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: get in and out of tight spots. I think, Yes, definitely, 48 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: there's a lot to be said for that. I'm so 49 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: impressed by those things. Man Like they when there is 50 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:09,239 Speaker 1: a spot where where it really does behoove you to 51 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 1: be in a side by side like it makes they 52 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: excel so hard and make the hunt so much easier. 53 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: And it's mostly just comes down to like there's there's 54 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: x amount of day hours in a day, and you 55 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: want to use them as efficiently as possible. And when 56 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: you're ripping around traveling, doesn't matter what vehicle you're in 57 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: or on, you're not hunting. And if it takes me 58 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: an hour to get to the spot in my truck 59 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: or twenty minutes in the can am, then by Gali, 60 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: I'm getting more sleep, I'm getting more hunting and you know, 61 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: less windshield time, which is absolutely great. But again it's 62 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: like sometimes you can get there faster in a truck, 63 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: right because maybe you're on the highway for twenty miles, 64 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: But in places where you're gonna have to rip like 65 00:03:54,800 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: a bumpy, rocky dirt road. It's not in good addition 66 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: where if you're in your truck you're just like, oh 67 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: my gosh, I can't believe I'm doing this to my truck. Uh. 68 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: That is where those canams just excel and you can 69 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: just jam down them and uh get or done. And uh, 70 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 1: I mean there's obviously all the other benefits to Like 71 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: you talked about getting in and out of tight spots, Um, 72 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: what are you mostly going to use it for hunting? 73 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: For sure? So I think especially late season, there's a 74 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: lot of these hunts we're doing. It's like roadside camp hunts, 75 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: and a lot of the access could be on just 76 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: side by side trails and uh man, I've seen people 77 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: they're just on four wheelers or even other side by 78 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 1: side that don't have doors and stuff that after a 79 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: couple of days of grinding it out in the super 80 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: cold weather, you don't really want to go out and 81 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: hunt anymore. So that's that was so my reasoning for 82 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: I went the extra mile through cab On, And because 83 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: I know that it's going to add the extra level 84 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: of comfort, and so I'm gonna want to go in it, 85 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,119 Speaker 1: and that's just gonna let you be in the field longer. 86 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: You know, we used to when I got it a 87 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: little bit down in Mexico for j Scott and uh. 88 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: In those days, the side by side that he had 89 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: and the one that darr had both did not have 90 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: windshields or doors or whatever. You know, he might have 91 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: had like a roof, but you would bring down a 92 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: hole even though, like you're in hunting in Mexican January, 93 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 1: which it can get kind of cold, you know, maybe 94 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: into the thirties, but you would bring a whole extra 95 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 1: set of clothes just for traveling in the side by side, 96 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: and we I mean big warm hat, big puffy jacket 97 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: over you know, insulated you know, overall bibbs, goggles, you know, 98 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: face masks, giant mittens or gloves to keep yourself warm 99 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: because yeah, you know you're going for like a twenty 100 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: two sixty minute rip sometimes in that open air it 101 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: you know, thirty degrees and man, it can just chill 102 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: you to the bone. Yeah, before you didn't get to 103 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: where you're supposed to start hunting, yeah, exactly, and then 104 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, this is a nice way to start, 105 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: just freezing cold. All right, we we've diverged. But there 106 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: you go. That is a little like snippet of what 107 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: you can expect. Jordan I talking gear, all kinds of 108 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: gear and everything you know about it. You know, like 109 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 1: I said, top to bottom, how it's made, how to 110 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: make it better, and speaking of making it better, one 111 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: of the things that we're gonna do, it's not exactly 112 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: clear how we're gonna do. It's gonna be a work 113 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: in progress. But we're gonna bring you along on the ride. 114 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: And I guess you could call it. Some people might 115 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: not consider a ride, but you're gonna get to hear 116 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:51,239 Speaker 1: how first light product is made and what's being made, 117 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: Like what's being made that you have any you don't 118 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: even know that it even exists in first Light uh, 119 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: in the in the creator room, you know, where the 120 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: where the designs first come up, the stuff that we've 121 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: been talking about, because it takes years from when a 122 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: product comes like if someone thinks about a new jacket 123 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: until that new jacket can actually be sold to somebody, 124 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: literally years two to three years on most products. So 125 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: we're gonna bring you along in that process. A couple 126 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: of reasons, one being that Jordan I already do it. 127 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: We participate in this process with first Light and it 128 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: makes us uh, you know, it's just gets us involved 129 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: and our input helps, you know, make this gear hopefully 130 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: better and be the gear that we want to use 131 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: when it's done. Um. So we're already talking about it. 132 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: We figured we should be talking about it with you. UM. 133 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: We also want to let you guys bring your UH 134 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:54,679 Speaker 1: knowledge and expertise ideas to us to help that gear better. 135 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,119 Speaker 1: So we're gonna have it's not gonna quite be a forum. Um. 136 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: At the minimum, we're gonna start off with basic, clean 137 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: email address that you can write into us if you 138 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: have questions about first Light gear or ideas for first 139 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: Light to you know, use freak gear, whatever it might be. Man, 140 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: we want it all the good, the bad, and the ugly, 141 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: and we're gonna address it. We're gonna take it to 142 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: first Light and have the experts there address it whatever 143 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: it might be. And then lastly, we're gonna do all 144 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: this as sort of a way to hopefully make everybody 145 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: okay with the fact that we're not going to be 146 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: probably discussing too much and reviewing or whatever dissecting gear 147 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: that is made by UH competitors like could you Sitka, 148 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: you know, Cabela's, whatever else it might be out there. Right, 149 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: it's no surprise that the company that Jordan I work for, 150 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: Meat Eater, owns first Light, they own f HF, they 151 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: own Felps game Calls. So in the idea in the 152 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: name of just trying to make it fun for everybody, 153 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: because I don't want to just do a podcast where 154 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: we're basically doing a commercial for first Light all the time. UM, 155 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: I want to make it where you're learning something about, 156 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: you know, how gears made. It's just gonna be from 157 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: probably a person that is making first Light here. Um, 158 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: you're gonna learn about the process of a jacket that's 159 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: you know, coming down the pike from first Light. But 160 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: again you're gonna learn about the process and you're gonna 161 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: be able to be involved. You're gonna hear what's happening. Um. 162 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: It's a big step for first Light to kind of 163 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: do this because it opens you up to um, you know, 164 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: as vulnerabilities associated there. Right, competitors can see what you're 165 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: doing and can copy you. They can try to you know, 166 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: beat you to the release of a certain product that 167 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: you're doing. They can maybe just take an idea or 168 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: like a certain one detail of an idea and you know, 169 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: use that in their you know, version of set thing. Um. Anyways, 170 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be on. I think like I'm 171 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: gonna learn a lot. You're gonna learn a lot Jordan's 172 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: and hopefully the listeners are gonna learn a lot. And um, 173 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: it'll be interesting, you know, and uh hopefully you all 174 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: feel like invested in it, you know. And like I said, 175 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: it's a long process. So don't think just because you're 176 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: right in tomorrow and you say, man, really you'd like 177 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: to see a hood that you can see out of 178 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: the back end the front, I don't think that like 179 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: next year you're gonna see a jacket, uh that you 180 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:31,199 Speaker 1: know that has holes out, you know, peeping holes out 181 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: the back of the hood. It's a long process, but 182 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: we're gonna kind of keep you updated, you know, with 183 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: what's coming, what we're working on, what we've been testing, 184 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 1: what we like this, that and the other. Do you 185 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: want to add anything to that? Yeah, I mean it's 186 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: gonna be it's gonna be so much fun. I geek 187 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: out on this stuff. I love hearing about it. Um, 188 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: I think what I'm most looking forward to is like 189 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: the micro review of a lot of things we just 190 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: had Matt de Rosa. I'm talking about seam tape. Uh, 191 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: little things like that, how jackets are put together, how 192 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 1: any like think of any gear thing, if we can 193 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: dive into it and talk about like the parts of 194 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: that and how they all work together. That's not I 195 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: mean every company does a little bit different, but that's 196 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 1: not like very companies specific. That's just how like we 197 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: can provide a value to the listeners just giving them 198 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: the knowledge to know what they're looking at when they 199 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: go into a store or when they're looking at something 200 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: or hearing about a piece of gear, and they can 201 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 1: better make a decision based on the knowledge that we 202 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,839 Speaker 1: can provide for them. Yeah. Yeah, we want to help 203 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: you make good decisions about the gear you buy. Obviously, 204 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: we hope you buy some first Light, but if you 205 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: choose to go with another company's gear, uh, that's okay too. 206 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 1: But hopefully you feel that like, because what you learned 207 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: from Jordan's or what you learned from Matt Derosier's about 208 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: seam tape, next time you go into the store, you're 209 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: gonna flip a jacket inside out and go oh, yeah, 210 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: that's what they were talking about. And look they you know, 211 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: did or do not do that thing that Matt was 212 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 1: talking about and just make you like a more educated consumer, 213 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: which is cool. Yeah, Okay, So that's what we're doing 214 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: with First Light in this podcast, and you'll kind of 215 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: hear the same thing with you know, we'll treat f 216 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: HF and and Phelps game calls the same way as 217 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: much as we can. Sometimes with it seems like with 218 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: game calls, there's a lot of patents that I'm always 219 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: hearing about, and so sometimes we just will have to 220 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 1: stay mum about a certain subject because Jason's waiting on 221 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: a patent to be um fulfilled. Um. But you'll be 222 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: the first to know here for a lot of cool stuff. Yeah, 223 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: it's so exciting. Yeah, anything else you want to say 224 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: just in general about our fancy new gear podcast, Man, 225 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think the uh, the options 226 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: are endless as far as what we can talk about. 227 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: Everything and anything that's involved in going on a hunt 228 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,079 Speaker 1: or being on a hunt we can talk about. So 229 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: I'm excited for it. All right. Now for our Gear 230 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: Expert segment where Jordan and I have folks call in 231 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: um that are in the industry that know a lot 232 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: more about certain pieces of gear or groups of gear 233 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: than we do, and have him explain something to us 234 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: so we can learn something, maybe how our gear works better, 235 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: how to take care of it better, whatever it might be. 236 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: Today we have Mark Boardman from Vortex Optics here to 237 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: talk diopters. Mark, tell me what you're doing over at 238 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 1: Vortex these days, how you're doing, and then we'll jump 239 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: into diopters. So yeah, man, I appreciate, appreciate you're having 240 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: me on. So yeah, man, Mark Boardman Vortex Optics been 241 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: in the mark any department in various capacities for going 242 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: on fourteen years now, so we've known each other for 243 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: a long time. Yahnus and Meteator crew, so it's super cool. 244 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: Um Yeah, I focus primarily on our podcast now. So 245 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: that's uh, that's what I That's what I spent a 246 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 1: lot of my time. You're so you're a podcast house now, 247 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: that's that's why we got all the fancy equipment. Nice, 248 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: you're a long time you're a long time listener, then 249 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: I take it listen. You can't get mad at me 250 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: from not listening, because I don't listen to any podcast 251 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: that I personally produce. I don't know if you listen. 252 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: That's a question for you. Do you listen to the 253 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: podcast you produce? Uh, for editing purposes and things like that. Yes, 254 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: But once I asked that to Joe Rogan, he said, nope, Yeah, 255 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: I have to generally, I remember like pretty good. But 256 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: like you know, sometimes I'll go back and listen, like 257 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: if we haven't written like the copy for the description, 258 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: like I'll kind of go back and scan through. But yeah, 259 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't like, I'm not fully like you know, 260 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: I'm not that into myself, and I'm like, I better 261 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: go listen to myself somewhere today. Yeah, I just I seriously, 262 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: I just don't have I don't like to listen to 263 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: stuff when I run, which should be a great time 264 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: to listen to podcasts and music, but I like to 265 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: listen to the wind and the birds. So, uh, you know, 266 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: but listen. I'm telling you, I'm driving to Michigan here 267 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks, I'm gonna listen to the 268 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: Vortex podcast. Man. I appreciate that that's the time to 269 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: crush a podcast. Man, My commute is about an hour 270 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: both ways, so I crush a fair amount of podcasts, 271 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: so uh so, yeah, I can, I can. I can 272 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: clean up pretty good. All right, let's jump to diopters. 273 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: Um we're supposed to be talking about. Yeah, the topic, 274 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: yea yea. Everybody knows should know that there's a diopter 275 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: dial or two, which I think Mark's is gonna explain 276 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: hopefully for us on your binoculars, and you're supposed to 277 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: dial them and set them to make the binoculars work 278 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: better for your eyes. That's pretty much my sort of 279 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: taken under standing on it, and but I'm always unsure 280 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: when I said it, if I'm doing it properly. Jordan's 281 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: what about you? Are you kind of in the same 282 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: boat or do you feel like when you dial your 283 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: diopter you're dialed. I feel like I'm pretty dialed. Uh. 284 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: Sometimes I feel like I have to adjust it, Like 285 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: from hunt to hunt, I feel like I'll readjusted or 286 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: even from day to day um or readjust it. But yeah, 287 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: it's just like an individual focus for each eye that. Uh, 288 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people actually overlooked, don't even 289 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: know about it. Yeah, I mean, I think I mean 290 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: you guys, you know you stole my thunder no, Um, 291 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean you nailed it. I mean essentially, 292 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: what a die opter is dealing, it's h adjusting for 293 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: variants in your eyes. You have two eyes, they're gonna 294 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: be a little bit different, right, So it's adjusting and 295 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: making sure the binocular is focused to accommodate, you know, 296 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: essentially the vision in both of your eyes. In general, 297 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: i'd say most commonly, you're gonna see a right eye 298 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: die opter. So it's gonna be a ring that's located 299 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: on the right I pase of your binocular. Um. With 300 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: that ring, you're gonna see a scale right, so you're 301 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: gonna see like a kind of like a zero reference mark, uh, 302 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: and then a plus or a minus, and then kind 303 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: of some like uh, some adjustment graduations to kind of 304 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: you know, be able to take note of where you've 305 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: adjusted that. Um. Oftentimes it will be a locking diopter, 306 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 1: so that ring will pop up to to unlock it 307 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 1: and make those adjustments. Once you've made that adjustment, pop 308 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: it back down, lock it in. You definitely want to 309 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 1: unlock it though before you make that adjustment, because um, 310 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: you can damage the binocular. So we get we get that. 311 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 1: You know, some people at times people the damn diopter stuck. 312 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: It's like, no, I just need to unlock it. But 313 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: we'll fix that for you. Um but yeah, so, like 314 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: I said, and then outside of you know, adjusting it 315 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: to accommodate for for the you know, this discrepancy, your 316 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: variance between your two eyes, you can also use it 317 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 1: to make sure I guess it's kind of doing two 318 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: things at once when it's set properly. It's going to 319 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: make sure that things are coming in and out of 320 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:09,239 Speaker 1: focus at exactly the same time when you're using just 321 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: the center focus wheel. Right, So, and there's kind of 322 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: a check that you can do, like after you've set 323 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: your diopter, to confirm that everything is working properly. If 324 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: that makes sense, then we can kind of go into 325 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: how to set your diopter because that's, you know, its 326 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: own process. Yeah, that does make sense. How come most 327 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: binoculars are only one I for the diopter? Oh man, 328 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: now you're now you're asking the tough questions you honest, 329 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: I never asked why. I just I just learned how 330 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: to use the darn things. So, um right, I was 331 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: gonna say, yeah, and in some in some instances I'd 332 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: see you'd see it largely or I'd say more commonly, 333 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 1: at least in my experience, on like a poorer prism 334 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 1: style binocular UM where you have individual I focus. I 335 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: think that can be an asset for people that maybe 336 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 1: have a high degree of variants, you know, between the 337 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: vision and both of their eyes. UM. But yeah, most 338 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: commonly you're gonna see just just the single right eye 339 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:11,719 Speaker 1: die opter some and and really every binocular in our 340 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: lineup is going to have that. I'd say an exception 341 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 1: to that would be our Fury HD range finding binocular 342 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 1: which has the radical focus on the right eye piece 343 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: and then the die opter is on the left eye piece. 344 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: But that's that's the one exception in our lineup. Uh. 345 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: You know, if you step outside the vortex lineups the 346 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: lineup of binoculars, sometimes you'll see a center die opter 347 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: that's actually kind of like integrated into the focus wheel. UM. 348 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: But the process for setting it will be the same 349 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: as you know, just a standard right eye die opter. Okay, 350 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: so let's talk about setting it and tell me real 351 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,479 Speaker 1: quick if you don't set it, like, what are you losing? 352 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: What's going wrong with when you're using your binoculars? I mean, 353 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 1: you know, if if you don't have it set properly, 354 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: you know, depending on your personal vision, like you know, 355 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: you might just have, um, just a less desirable optical 356 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: experience overall, like just stuff like is isn't gonna be 357 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 1: in focus for like, you know, both of your eyes. 358 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: It's easy to set it's it's definitely i'd say most 359 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: you know, all of our binoculars you know, have have 360 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: a die opter um and it's it's it is something 361 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 1: you're gonna want to pay attention to. Um. For me, 362 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: I'm pretty lucky personally. Um, you know, I can essentially 363 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: just set it on the zero mark and you know, 364 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: my division of both my eyes is like pretty similar, 365 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: so I'd be good to go. But I still set 366 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:35,959 Speaker 1: it though, because you're gonna find that you're gonna want 367 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 1: to shave generally, you know, either a little bit to 368 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: the the riot or left of that zero mark. And 369 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: setting it is just it's so easy. It's just something 370 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 1: that that you want to do, and if you haven't 371 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: been paying attention to it, you might find that your 372 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: you know, your overall viewing experience is enhanced once you do. 373 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: All right, tell us how to set it so to 374 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: set your diopter you know, and This is like you said, 375 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: we've got you know, I've got one in front of 376 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: you right now. It's it's a it's a canna raise 377 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: your uh D. On my forty two, one of my 378 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: favorites has got a locking right eye die opter, like 379 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: we talked about before. But you're going to want to 380 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: uh close your right eye, So you're going to close 381 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 1: your right eye or cover uh cover the uh cover 382 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: the the ocular there. Um, I always just close my 383 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: right eye. Some some people kind of have a problem 384 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 1: with that. That That makes them squin a little bit. So 385 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: you can just you know, cover in some capacity. But 386 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: you're gonna so you're gonna cover the the right ocular 387 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: or close your right eye, and then you're gonna focus 388 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: on an object I'd say an objectle with you know, 389 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: um maybe a high level of detail. You yards away 390 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: with your left eye, and you'll roll roll the center 391 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 1: focus wheel until that object is in sharp focus. And 392 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: then once you do that, unlock the die opter if 393 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: it's a walking die opter, close your left eye, and 394 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: then use the die opter to adjust the focus until 395 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 1: it's as sharp as possible on that same object. Once 396 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: you get that, lock it back down in and I 397 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 1: mean essentially your diopter is set. I see, so you're 398 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: basically that's how you're matching the two. You focus the 399 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: left one and then you're focusing the right one with 400 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: the diopter, and that's how you're matching the two. So they're, oh, 401 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 1: you know what I do most of the time is 402 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: I don't do the left part. I just skip right 403 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: to the right part, which is why mine is probably 404 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: never dial Hey, they still call you the lot being eagle, 405 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: So something's working, right. I check mine after it's done. 406 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: I check mine, like open both eyes and still leave 407 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: the diopter unlocked, and I can feather it in and 408 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: out a little bit and just and then I don't know, 409 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,199 Speaker 1: you can you can tell definitely when it clears up 410 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: and when it doesn't um hmm. And then I like 411 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: check it, make a couple of adjustments and then lock 412 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: it back down or just leave it if it's not 413 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: locking yep, yep. And then that other check that I 414 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: was talking about earlier that you can do is you know, 415 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: you can pick that same object again. I picked something. 416 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: You know. This is once you've you know, done those 417 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: two things and you've got your diopter set, um, pick 418 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: an object with high level of detail you know whatever, 419 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: you know, thirty or forty yards away or something like that, 420 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 1: and then just kind of like consciously look through the 421 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: blocular at that at that object you know, hopefully it 422 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 1: has like uh maybe almost like two sides to it, 423 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 1: and then roll your center focus and just make sure 424 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: that almost like both sides of that object with high 425 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: detail are coming in and out of focus at the 426 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,439 Speaker 1: same rate. And if they're doing those things at the 427 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,479 Speaker 1: same time, Like I said, that's kind of like that 428 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 1: that after check, you're like cool, I'm good to go. 429 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: Everything set um. And And the other nice thing about 430 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 1: this is like it's definitely something that you can check 431 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: over time, but it's not necessarily critical. Like every time 432 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 1: I use my bio binoculars and you know, I better go, 433 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: you know, check my diopter unless your vision is changing, 434 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: you know, dramatically or or whatever what have you. Um, 435 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: it's not something you really have to do all the time. 436 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: So um, you know, why why is it that you 437 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: want to do it at like that close range? Why 438 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: not do it something that's five yards away? So you know, 439 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: my thought there is you know, as you enter introduce um, 440 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: you know, those extended ranges, you're also introducing additional variables. 441 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: It could be you know, a high pollen count day, 442 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: could be a hotter day where you're dealing with heat waves, 443 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 1: and you kind of might get like, um like in essence, 444 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 1: like a false reading or something like that. Um. You know, 445 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 1: at those closer distances, you're just gonna be able to 446 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: see that finer detail. Um and and make sure that 447 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: everything you know, you're just in the focus. You might 448 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: as well, you know, make sure that everything that you're 449 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 1: looking at is you know, has a high level of 450 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 1: detail while you're doing that. I see. So as long 451 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 1: if you could hold him super steady and you know, 452 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: all conditions were absolutely perfect, you could technically pull it 453 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: off at five yards, Yeah, I imagine. So Yeah, I've 454 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 1: never I'm never trying. It's just it's just easier at 455 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 1: thirty because you're just like it's easier for your I 456 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: just to see those small details, right, That makes sense? 457 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaker 1: Anything else we need to know about diopters or setting them, man, 458 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I'd like to say there's more to it, 459 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: but in a lot of ways I'm glad that there isn't. 460 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: I mean, because there just really isn't a whole lot 461 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: to it. Like we talked about earlier. Definitely something you 462 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: want to pay attention to and UH once once you 463 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 1: adjust it, you know you should. You gotta be good 464 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: to go and UH enjoy your optics to their fullest potential. Oh, 465 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: there's no doubt in my mind that the average hunter 466 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: will glass up more game if their diopter is set 467 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: properly than not. So thanks for the reminder because I 468 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 1: needed that because I gotta remember to do the left 469 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: dive first instead of just jumping right over to the 470 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 1: diopter dial. You're gonna be Yeah, you're just cutting to 471 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: the chase. Man, You're gonna you're gonna be on like 472 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: a glassing tear here. Pretty soon You're like, oh my gosh, dude, 473 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: this diopter has changed my life. Mm hmmm. Yeah. I 474 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: like to always joke about how there's like lasers coming 475 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: out of my UH binos and they're just burning up 476 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: the hillsides when I'm glass and so I don't know 477 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: what this is gonna change for me, but hopefully I 478 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: won't start any forest fires. Yeah, exactly, Mark. Thanks for 479 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: taking the time man, We appreciate it, and UH we'll 480 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: be calling you up soon for a another UH Gear 481 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 1: Expert segment. So feel free to tell me what you 482 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 1: would like to gear expert segments because I'm sure, I'm 483 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: sure we're gonna need ideas. Um, and I'm being serious. No, 484 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: that's awesome. Thank you, appreciate the time, appreciate having me 485 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 1: on guys. Always always great chatting and uh yeah, we'll 486 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: stay in touch for sure. All right. Last, and not least, 487 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: this segment doesn't have a name, but it's basically a 488 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 1: segment where Jordan and I are going to each recap 489 00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: a recent hunt that we went on and and sort 490 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: of pick out a piece of gear that probably, like 491 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: during the hunt, Uh, something happened with it for some reason, 492 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,360 Speaker 1: it was highlighted for some reason, it was in our heads. 493 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 1: It might be that we tried something new. It might 494 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: be the something like really excelled, just whatever. A couple 495 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: of reasons for that is like I want I wanted 496 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,360 Speaker 1: to be known that the two of us are always 497 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: out there hunting a lot. Jordan hunts more than I do. 498 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: She ain't got no kids. Um, you got a dog, though, 499 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: it probably slows you down a little bit. Although I 500 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: see pictures of your dog going on all your adventures, 501 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: so that's that's that's not slowing you down. Yeah, you 502 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: see us hunting, and you see us trying using new 503 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: new gear, old gear either way out there, just you know, 504 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: getting after it. And uh Um, I think people like 505 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: to hear hunting stories so and I like to tell 506 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 1: hunting stories. So it's a good opportunity for both of 507 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: those things that it's a good opportunity to like really 508 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: like talk about recent gear an action. Yeah, what do 509 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: you got? What's the most recent hunt you went on? No, 510 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 1: I can't ask that question because obviously you haven't. You 511 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: did something before you went since you went sheep hunting. Yeah, yeah, 512 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 1: I have. So I would say take it back to 513 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: a a rifle elk hunt that we did. Um, it 514 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 1: was cold and super windy. There was like a storm 515 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: system coming in. We decided to go up and sit 516 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: on a ridge and just glass this whole valley for elk. 517 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: And was this that was in Wyoming? Yep, that was 518 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: in Wyoming. So it was like October. I'm trying to 519 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: think of the day. The day. It was like October 520 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: fift probably right when that general opener was going to start. Um. 521 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: And uh so we go up sit on this ridge 522 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: and we're glassing and storm system starts coming in, starts 523 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 1: snowing just a little bit, starts really picking up on 524 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: the wind, and h I pulled my tarp out and 525 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: set the tarp up like a lean to um behind us, 526 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: which the wind was coming from behind us. So just 527 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: use it as a wind blocker. Plus use it as 528 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: like just so like moisture didn't get honest, you know, 529 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: like a big like rain shade basically. UM and I 530 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: we sat there for probably three hours, maybe a little 531 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: more than that and just kind of watching whether going 532 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: and out. We were seeing elk moving around, people were 533 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: pushing them around. I'm just trying to find a good bowl. 534 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: And uh when it was started to it started to 535 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: really suck in and we're like, yeah, alright, we're gonna 536 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: drop down out of here. When I got out from 537 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: behind that tarp, I was like, holy cow, it is cold. 538 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: And that thing it had to let us stay up 539 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: there for I mean at least an extra a couple 540 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: of hours, UM, just carrying you know, that little nine 541 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,719 Speaker 1: ounce tarp to block the wind. So that's that's my 542 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: big one. And that one was that was that cafar 543 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: as sheep tarp as well. I've had it for a 544 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: long time and Uh, it's one of the reasons I 545 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: carry it on a ton of hunts like blocked wind, 546 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: provide your shade, get the rain off. You use it 547 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: for a lot of things, very versatile. So that was 548 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: That's always been a noteworthy one in my mind. Nice. Yeah, 549 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: I've had experiences like that too, where you're like, man, 550 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: if we didn't have this tarp, it would really suck 551 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, um yeah, what what pitch did you use? 552 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: Like what could you have a way to classify the 553 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: pitch that you use for that when you set up 554 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: that tarp. I mean I would almost say, like a 555 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: lean to what I did is I staked like the 556 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 1: back two corners down, um, and actually the middle two 557 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: right the right to the ground. Yeah, get some good 558 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: like try to seal it right to the ground. And 559 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: then I used trekking poles and pitched it to the 560 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: corners and actually pitched them put the trekking poles like 561 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: not right on the corners, but one loop in from 562 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: the corners. So then when you put the corners that 563 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 1: have guylines on them down to the ground and you 564 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: guyline it out like that gives you like a little 565 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: bit of side protection too, and seems like it kept 566 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: like the water rolling off the sides instead of um 567 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: like ever getting down into the front of us. That's 568 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: really tough to explain via audio. But yeah, basically like 569 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: pitch it like a lean to the back, stay right 570 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: to the ground, use chreking poles to prop the front up, 571 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: guylines in each corner going to the ground and h 572 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: worked pretty good. So was it like the the upper 573 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 1: front edge that was curved over a little bit or 574 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: the two sides um, two sides that were curved over. 575 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: Got it? Yeah, So the checking poles like weren't in 576 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: an islet or anything. They're just kind of in from 577 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: the Yeah, I mean that specific. Yeah, that specific tarp 578 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: has islets all the way around it. There's probably on 579 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: each edge there's probably six islets UM built in. So 580 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 1: you can really like pitch it however you want. You 581 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: could put guidelines wherever you want on them. UM, and 582 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: that lets like that loop isolet. Lets you put it 583 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: over the top of like the end of a treking pole. UM. 584 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: So you could write, yeah, but how did you get it? 585 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: How did you get that like extra fabric to be 586 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: able to make the edge come down if the islet's 587 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: right on the edge and it's yeah, just on the 588 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: corners of the front. So like imagine where those tracking 589 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 1: poles would be. And so it was just like you know, 590 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: it was on the corner, right, it was in from 591 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: the corner, making that curve just a little bit on 592 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: the ends. It seemed to keep it a little bit 593 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 1: more stable to um, I'm not really sure why that 594 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: would be, but it seemed like it was more stable. 595 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: I started him on the corners and moved him in. 596 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: I like it, man, I'm into uh, pitching tarps and 597 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: like the the technique of it, and like the all 598 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: the different variations. Um, because well, pitch tarp is like 599 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: a very very good, nice comfy shelter and then a 600 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: shitty pitch tarp is uh you might as well just 601 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: stand next to it outside. You think it would be 602 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: easier too to really pitch it. Well, but it is. 603 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: There becomes a lot of variables out there. Yeah, all right. 604 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: I recently went bear hunting with my buddy Pete Munich. Uh. 605 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: We hit, we hit western Montana. It was like first 606 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: week of June and um, very very wet hunt. That 607 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: doesn't have anything to do with what the gear. I'm 608 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: gonna talk about, but it was wet. Um we saw bears. 609 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: Uh saw ten bears in like four day, four or 610 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,959 Speaker 1: five days I think, and uh, I just didn't see 611 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: like a mature board. UM. Only we saw a bear 612 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: that weighed over pounds probably you know, four cubs out 613 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: of the four of the four out of the town 614 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: were cubs. And then rest were obviously the sounds with 615 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 1: the cubs or just you know, very small looking single bears. UM. 616 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: But still great hunt, great wildlife watching. UM had a 617 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,760 Speaker 1: great time. Didn't put in like mega miles carrying camp, 618 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,479 Speaker 1: but we did switch locations and every time we'd switch, 619 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,720 Speaker 1: would go back to the truck, drive a few miles 620 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,799 Speaker 1: on logging roads and then sort of work out other 621 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 1: different ridge systems that where we could get good you 622 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,359 Speaker 1: know vanages over the country where we thought we could 623 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: see UM, where we thought we would see bears. But 624 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: enough you know, backpacking like we slept. We never slept 625 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: at the truck. So every time we left the truck, 626 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 1: we had you know, camp with us, and we were 627 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 1: sleeping I don't know, usually somewhere three to three to 628 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: four miles from the truck. But the gear I want 629 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 1: to high is uh, the Kafaru Nargali pack, which um 630 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: very first time using it, Like literally I had not 631 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 1: um ever had it on my back other than just 632 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:19,839 Speaker 1: you know, very quickly trying it on my house. And um, 633 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 1: I'm very familiar with seek outs, side packs, with Exo packs, 634 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:30,280 Speaker 1: stone Glacier packs, had never messed around with a KAfari pack. Um. 635 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: One of the things that I've always thought about them 636 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 1: and it turned to hold true is like the amount 637 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: of straps and buckles, Man, they pack them on there. 638 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: You run some Kafar stuff. Do you agree with that 639 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 1: or have you gotten used to it? We're like, yeah, 640 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: it's not that Manny, I have a I have a 641 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: purpose for all of them. Yeah. Um, I think you 642 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 1: can change all of them around. So that's what I 643 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: like about him, is he like you could take those 644 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 1: those straps off to pad on the bag. Some of 645 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,799 Speaker 1: them are sewn in, but on the frame side you 646 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: can take all the straps off and move them around. 647 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 1: So um, I kind of like I like that part 648 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: about it. Um. It's saved me a couple of times 649 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 1: with like some weird weird loads or like trying to 650 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 1: get extra gear on when you're packing out meat, And 651 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 1: like the bag is full of stuff. Um, it saved 652 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,879 Speaker 1: me there being able to add straps, which I think, 653 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: uh is kind of different than some companies, but they 654 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: do get strappy, I agree. Um, there are a lot 655 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 1: of straps on most of those on most of the bags. 656 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: The bag itself without the frame which comes in just well, 657 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: it comes into two and a half pounds. I don't 658 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: know what the frame waves off the top of my head. Um, 659 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 1: it's a total volume is five thousand cubic inches. But 660 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: they have a like a version where you can basically 661 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: fold the lid down and drop it by like a thousand, 662 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,280 Speaker 1: which I really like that. Like, I appreciate a act 663 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 1: that I can carry the whole camp into the woods 664 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 1: with and in the mountains and then drop camp, drop food, 665 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 1: and then and then basically turn that you know, backpack 666 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 1: and hunting pack into a day hunting pack. Um, I 667 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,720 Speaker 1: appreciate that when they can get nice and slim and 668 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: so on. Besides it having a lot of straps, which 669 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 1: again first time using it, I was probably just like 670 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 1: you know, unaware of how to use them all properly. 671 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 1: But um, a couple of things that I really liked 672 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 1: is I feel like out of all the packs I've used, 673 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 1: they had the best like side pocket that not the 674 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 1: one that you can like attach to your hip belt, 675 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 1: but the one that's actually like down low on the 676 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:48,400 Speaker 1: side of the pack. It's like half stretchy, half tough material, 677 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:53,320 Speaker 1: so and it's tall. So it's tall enough that you're like, 678 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 1: nalgen gets all the way in there. We're like it's 679 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 1: literally just the cap kind of sticking out of the top, 680 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:00,840 Speaker 1: and you think it Isn't it gonna be hard to 681 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 1: get it out of there, But because it's got like 682 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,279 Speaker 1: this stretchy panel, it's not. And it's actually what's even better. 683 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 1: Like a lot of packs, you can get the analogene 684 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 1: right out easily, but the trick is like getting them 685 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,840 Speaker 1: back in. Like when when when you're if you have 686 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,239 Speaker 1: a pack where you have to ask your buddy every time, Hey, 687 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 1: can you put this analogy back in the pocket? Like, 688 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,919 Speaker 1: come on, pack makers, you gotta do better than that, right, 689 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 1: Like it's it's kind of annoying. Um, anyways, that pocket 690 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,399 Speaker 1: is like really really dialed and um it's a small thing, 691 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,919 Speaker 1: but man, someone thought it through and got it right. 692 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 1: This pack is my style too, because it's minimalist and simple, 693 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 1: like it's a top loader only and if you don't 694 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 1: have the lid, which I didn't run the lid, like 695 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,279 Speaker 1: the attachment lid. It's basically just like a version of 696 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 1: like a roll top almost like there's just two but 697 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 1: you kind of you sent it together, you kind of 698 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,240 Speaker 1: roll it over and then there's buckles that come from 699 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,319 Speaker 1: you know, where you're act is over the top and 700 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 1: you can really lock it down like that. But it's 701 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,399 Speaker 1: you can only access it from the top, which if 702 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,560 Speaker 1: you're just a smart packer and you don't put stuff 703 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,839 Speaker 1: in the bottom that you're gonna need in an hour, 704 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:14,920 Speaker 1: it's like not a big deal. You just got to 705 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 1: kind of think it through, right. Some people hate that 706 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 1: and they want to be able to get to everything 707 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 1: all the time, and they like more pockets and like 708 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 1: we want to get super organized. I like to keep 709 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,560 Speaker 1: my stuff simple. I think it's lighter that way. So um, 710 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,520 Speaker 1: even though there's not a zipper that runs down the 711 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,880 Speaker 1: whole side, you know, to give you access to the 712 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,040 Speaker 1: whole pack. Again, if you just can pact smart, um, 713 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,400 Speaker 1: it's not a big deal, which I which again I 714 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 1: just think you're it's wait savings. They're just less stuff 715 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 1: to break whatever. Yeah, I'm trying to think. There's nothing 716 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 1: really else I really didn't like about it. Um one 717 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,960 Speaker 1: other thing that was a plus out of all the 718 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,840 Speaker 1: packs I've been used lately, this one, by far. I 719 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,319 Speaker 1: can't say if it's the most comfortable. It's close, but 720 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 1: it has definitely the biggest lumbard pad and one of 721 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 1: them more cushier waste belts. And I believe I went 722 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 1: with either a smaller medium because I'm like a thirty 723 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 1: four and there it just came around my hips there 724 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 1: and there was gonna be plenty of room to cinch 725 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,880 Speaker 1: down if I needed it. But like my body shape, 726 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,799 Speaker 1: I think it's pretty calm and body shape, it is 727 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:28,480 Speaker 1: like there's not a lot of curve between my hamstring 728 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,440 Speaker 1: and my lower back, if you know what I mean. 729 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,279 Speaker 1: And so packs tend to slide down. There's like no 730 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 1: shelf to hold them up, and that big lumbard pad 731 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,160 Speaker 1: really seems to kind of like dig in so to speak. 732 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,440 Speaker 1: Digg in sounds wrong because it sounds like it's gonna hurt, 733 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 1: but it just seems to like grab and like really 734 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,759 Speaker 1: hold you know, that whole waste system you know, up 735 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,880 Speaker 1: up on your hips and not let it sag. And 736 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,040 Speaker 1: even though there's you know, you have pressure because you 737 00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: know that's the weight of your pack is riding, you know, 738 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,520 Speaker 1: onto that hip belt, it didn't feel like a lot 739 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,640 Speaker 1: of pressure, like there was no digging. It's a very 740 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,920 Speaker 1: comfortable riding pack, even when it was packed full. And 741 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 1: because we weren't going too far, we were definitely running 742 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 1: a little bit on the heavier side, like I bet 743 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,320 Speaker 1: she does, you know, with food and water and stuff. 744 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,400 Speaker 1: We had a pack in water everywhere, which that always 745 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,040 Speaker 1: adds a lot of weight. So I bet you I 746 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:26,400 Speaker 1: was going on the way in and very very comfortable. 747 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,760 Speaker 1: And it's like a lot of other packs packs meat 748 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 1: like your exo, like your stone glacier where you're gonna, 749 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,920 Speaker 1: you know, pull the pack off and there's a load shelf. 750 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,640 Speaker 1: You're gonna get your meat there and then put it 751 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,919 Speaker 1: all back together. Is that how I know that there's 752 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,040 Speaker 1: two ways to do it. Aaron was actually telling me 753 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 1: that he'll actually just sometimes run the meat right in 754 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,759 Speaker 1: the main bag. What do you do? That's usually what 755 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 1: I do is run the meat right in the main bag, 756 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,319 Speaker 1: unless I just don't have a big bag or I 757 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:05,400 Speaker 1: don't have of that much stuff in the bag. Like usually, 758 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,239 Speaker 1: if I have like I mean, if you have camp 759 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,640 Speaker 1: or a lot of stuff inside your bag and there's 760 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,520 Speaker 1: just not room for it, then there's just not room 761 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,600 Speaker 1: for it. Um. But if I don't have that much 762 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 1: stuff in the bag and I have room, I like 763 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 1: to run the meat just inside the main bag just 764 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,160 Speaker 1: to keep it, um, keep all the weight closer to 765 00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,880 Speaker 1: my back. Uh. It seems like if you put like 766 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:28,719 Speaker 1: meat in a load shelf, and then if you have 767 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,560 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff in your bag and you especially 768 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,840 Speaker 1: if it's heavy, and you extend it away from your back, 769 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,840 Speaker 1: you're just like moving all the way out backwards. It 770 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 1: kind of feels like there's like a monkey pulling on 771 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,319 Speaker 1: your back, like trying to pull you over backwards. So 772 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,680 Speaker 1: that's where I see like benefit in putting weight or 773 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,480 Speaker 1: putting the meat inside the bag is if you're trying 774 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,799 Speaker 1: to keep it all close to your back. I think 775 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,240 Speaker 1: it's more important if you're packing meat along ways versus 776 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,560 Speaker 1: a short distance, it'll just ride better, you can carry more, 777 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,000 Speaker 1: and uh yeah, I feel better afterwards. So it seems 778 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:15,600 Speaker 1: to be kind of personal preference. Honestly, all right, everyone 779 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 1: that is going to wrap us for this week's episode 780 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,840 Speaker 1: of gear Talk, big thank you to Mark Boardman for 781 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,319 Speaker 1: hopping on and walking us through die opters. We know 782 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,520 Speaker 1: season is kicked off for a lot of you out there, 783 00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,600 Speaker 1: so good luck out in the field. And if you 784 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,560 Speaker 1: have a question that you would like to ask us 785 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,560 Speaker 1: here on the podcast, email gear Talk at them me 786 00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,480 Speaker 1: eater dot com. Send your question in, we'll try to 787 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,759 Speaker 1: get an answered for you and we will see you 788 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:47,040 Speaker 1: guys in the next episode.