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Speaker 3: And now your host, Zach Woolchuck.
Speaker 4: Welcome on into the Draft Show, forty nine days away
Speaker 4: from the NFL Draft, Episode nineteen. Watch out, Kyle, you
Speaker 4: heard that intro. They're the host, Zach Walchuck. Oh, just
Speaker 4: keeping the seawarm, baby, I'm here with Voch Lombardi. Brian
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Speaker 5: Boys.
Speaker 4: We had the retirement of Zach Martin yesterday, and one
Speaker 4: of the big takeaways for me that Zack Martin was
Speaker 4: talking about was one when he came in in his
Speaker 4: rookie year, this was a run heavy team, right. You
Speaker 4: had DeMarco Murray and he did have the pleasure of
Speaker 4: already stepping in and having a line that had guys
Speaker 4: like Travis Frederick and Tyron Smith and Ron Leary was
Speaker 4: a stud and Doug Free was a veteran player. But
Speaker 4: one of the things he said that helped him was
Speaker 4: that they really were run heavy and instead of lining
Speaker 4: up and throwing the football thirty to forty times, like
Speaker 4: he got to focus on the run and that helped
Speaker 4: him kind of ease in. And he changed positions right
Speaker 4: he was a tackle at Notre Dame. Now he had
Speaker 4: played really every single spot along the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 4: but now he's moving over to right guard. So one
Speaker 4: that made me excited for Tyler Geiton because it does
Speaker 4: seem like the stress is let's get the run game
Speaker 4: going with Clayton Adams and coach Riley at the offensive line,
Speaker 4: maybe that'll help Tyler Guyton going into year two.
Speaker 5: But also at right guard. If you look at Okay,
Speaker 5: now you.
Speaker 4: Got Brack Hoffman back exclusive rights free agent, he's signed,
Speaker 4: he's going to be competing for that spot. You think
Speaker 4: we should be looking a little bit more at guard
Speaker 4: than we had in the past.
Speaker 2: Fellas, I just know the internets and shambles right now.
Speaker 2: But let's just have a discussion. Okay, let's just have
Speaker 2: a civilized discussion. Let me just set the table for this.
Speaker 2: A little bit brought us, Zach, how much? How much
Speaker 2: is too much investment on your offensive line? Because that's
Speaker 2: the conversation that's just going around. Hey man, we got
Speaker 2: two first round picks already, we got a third rounder,
Speaker 2: and we got two undrafted guys. And what they'll do
Speaker 2: is they'll they'll point the other teams like, hey man,
Speaker 2: this team only got a couple of twos or three
Speaker 2: and maybe they got a one. And when the Cowboys
Speaker 2: were in their glory days, we had three firsts and
Speaker 2: they were all Pro Pro Bowl. Give him a jacket
Speaker 2: Travis probably would have been a jacket guy, but you
Speaker 2: know he left a little late. So fellas with this
Speaker 2: offensive line currently constructed, because it's people on the internet saying,
Speaker 2: hey man, what about what about Nathan Thomas? What about
Speaker 2: can Austin Richard step in? Right? What is too much
Speaker 2: investment for y'all? It's three first round picks too much? Now?
Speaker 2: Should we you know, second third? Should we just go
Speaker 2: with the undrafted or the seventh round guys and try
Speaker 2: to make that work. Brian Zach, please help me out,
Speaker 2: because I'm I'll take Tyler Booker at twelve right now
Speaker 2: and put them right there. But apparently three first round
Speaker 2: picks is way too much to him just to be
Speaker 2: in visiting Joland.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think, to me, where the one thing that
Speaker 6: this line coach and I don't know so much about
Speaker 6: the Kansas State with coach Riley, I know that he
Speaker 6: works well with probably less talent players than other teams
Speaker 6: in the country and gets a lot out of it.
Speaker 6: They're very physical run offense the way you know, we've
Speaker 6: all evaluated and induced faun and we saw that and
Speaker 6: how they operate, and then we did BB and we
Speaker 6: so there's an element of that. I think that you're
Speaker 6: in a situation right now, though where I'm not a
Speaker 6: huge fan of currently what you got at right guard.
Speaker 6: I'm not a currently I'm not a fan of the
Speaker 6: Hoffman and the bass and that if you tell me
Speaker 6: that I can add a Booker or a Donovan Jackson
Speaker 6: or somebody like that, or if I can move one
Speaker 6: of these tackles to play inside, I'll address that. And
Speaker 6: I'm I don't think it's ever too much for offensive Linemen.
Speaker 6: These coaches might prove me wrong. They might be able
Speaker 6: to take Hoffman and Bass and others and make it work.
Speaker 3: I don't know that yet.
Speaker 6: My indications are that I've saw Arizona do more with less,
Speaker 6: saw Kansas State do more with less. Maybe these are
Speaker 6: more than less coaches. I circle back to the you
Speaker 6: know when Zach, when you open this up, you know,
Speaker 6: talking about the guys that were here that you know
Speaker 6: with Martin said, run heavy. That's Bill Callahan running gay Moses. Sure,
Speaker 6: you know, that's a guy that took not many people
Speaker 6: thought much about Ron Leary. Ron Leary had a bad,
Speaker 6: bad need that kept him from getting drafted. But look
Speaker 6: what he did. He took Doug Free ron Leary. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 6: you had some first round guys, some very talented Hall
Speaker 6: of Fame type players to go around that. But I'm
Speaker 6: I'm I wish I could answer the question. I personally
Speaker 6: would draft a guard. But because I don't know yet
Speaker 6: what these coaches are, I have an idea from Afar.
Speaker 3: But if I'm sitting in that personnel.
Speaker 6: Room, I'm thinking, Okay, these guys are gonna tell me
Speaker 6: they can coach. They can coach these guys Okay, I've
Speaker 6: seen their film. It looks like they can coach these guys.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna try and help them a little bit. I'm
Speaker 6: gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna look at Tyler Booker, I'm
Speaker 6: gonna look at at Donovan Jackson.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm gonna look.
Speaker 6: At Kate Ratle, I'm gonna look at I'm gonna look
Speaker 6: at these guys because if I evaluate the film from
Speaker 6: last year and nothing against with Bass and none against
Speaker 6: nothing against them, But I don't know. I think I
Speaker 6: could do better. I think I can do better. But
Speaker 6: maybe these coaches are the difference makers. Maybe that maybe
Speaker 6: next year at this time when we asked this question,
Speaker 6: it's going to be like, no, I don't worry about
Speaker 6: you don't have to you don't have to have one
Speaker 6: of the best linemen in the country.
Speaker 3: Because these guys will get Look what they did.
Speaker 6: Will Hernandez, she was talking with the guy with the
Speaker 6: Giants about Will Hernandez and their you know, second round pick,
Speaker 6: but you know, and ended up being really a bus
Speaker 6: for the for the Giants. He goes to place for
Speaker 6: the Arizona Cardinals. We're talking about potentially signing him as
Speaker 6: one of those Tier two, Tier three free agents, right,
Speaker 6: So to me, you know, there's something to be said
Speaker 6: about coaches, but I think I want to help these guys.
Speaker 6: I think I want to help these coaches, you know,
Speaker 6: with if I can add another piece there? Do I
Speaker 6: want to do it at twelve. I'm probably not really
Speaker 6: comfortable doing it there, but I am comfortable doing it
Speaker 6: at some point.
Speaker 4: I'd be comfortable with book at twelve, I would be.
Speaker 4: I do love Donovan Jackson. I've talked about that here.
Speaker 4: I think Booker is more of the plug and play
Speaker 4: guard because he's done it on the right side. I mean,
Speaker 4: you talk about dominant in the run game, knocks people
Speaker 4: off the ball, can mirror lineman get to the second level.
Speaker 5: I know he didn't test right at the combine. I
Speaker 5: don't care about.
Speaker 4: That that that's not a big difference maker for me.
Speaker 4: And in the second round, I think you do have
Speaker 4: some options. I mean you brought up Tate Ratleige. That's
Speaker 4: another dude, Maler. I do think pad level can be
Speaker 4: an issue with him, but a three year starter at
Speaker 4: Georgia and then a guy at offensive tackle that I
Speaker 4: think is gonna play guard from Arizona Jonah Savaina, and
Speaker 4: I might have butchered his last name. I apologized, But
Speaker 4: I mean, that's a dude who played, grew up, went
Speaker 4: to high school in Honolulu, three star recruit, team captain.
Speaker 4: He's got a wide base, strong punch, can get off balance,
Speaker 4: which I do think will hurt his hand placement. But
Speaker 4: that's another guy that I like. The awareness he plays
Speaker 4: with in the run game. I think that he's tough
Speaker 4: to get around. He projects much better as an inside
Speaker 4: player for me. Wyatt Milam another guy that I'd throw
Speaker 4: out there that we've talked about on the show as well,
Speaker 4: who I'm a big fan of. The guard from West Virginia,
Speaker 4: started thirty two to thirty six games, including thirty.
Speaker 5: One in a row. He was the Iron Mountaineer Award.
Speaker 5: I mean, you got some options.
Speaker 4: It doesn't have to be at twelve, and there are
Speaker 4: some when you look at Donovan Jackson from Ohio State,
Speaker 4: maybe he's able to slide to you there at forty four.
Speaker 4: But the dude who's really I mean at twelve, I
Speaker 4: think that we get a lot of questions about is
Speaker 4: armand Memboo from Miszoo, And when I watch his game,
Speaker 4: I do see maybe some similarities to Tyler Smith athletically. Now,
Speaker 4: I do think he's a right side player, right guard,
Speaker 4: right tackle. I think he's athletic enough to play tackle,
Speaker 4: but I want to keep him on that side.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 4: I don't know that he's making it to twelve, but
Speaker 4: if he's there, I think the two conversations we would
Speaker 4: have in the first round would be Memboo at twelve,
Speaker 4: Adam Miszoo and Booker from Bama. I think those would
Speaker 4: probably be the only two in play and unless you
Speaker 4: guys wanted to argue for somebody else there.
Speaker 2: As far as Mimboo, I don't even see him as
Speaker 2: a as a guard really. I think I think he's
Speaker 2: a tackle. I think he's a he's a great mover
Speaker 2: past blocker. Now, if you're one of these teams that's
Speaker 2: you know, gonna you know, run a lot of wide
Speaker 2: zone and you need the athletes, then sure put him
Speaker 2: at guard and let him do the athlete thing. And
Speaker 2: that's where we just don't know. We just don't fully
Speaker 2: know what Dallas wants to do right now, run game wise,
Speaker 2: right But it's just that, look, man, Tyler book is
Speaker 2: just made He's made of all the guard stuff that
Speaker 2: I like, man, Like just driving people off the football
Speaker 2: makes me smile at night. And and and just one
Speaker 2: more thing I want to bring to the you know,
Speaker 2: to the conversation though, felas like, yes, you know, something
Speaker 2: may be good enough. You know, this player may be
Speaker 2: good enough, or just the guys that we have and
Speaker 2: just like saying, hey, such and such step up. That
Speaker 2: may be good enough. Right, are we a team that's
Speaker 2: trying to be good enough or are we trying to
Speaker 2: be filling them? Are we trying to be franded?
Speaker 7: Now?
Speaker 6: You need to figure out this division has big insight people.
Speaker 2: You need to be damn good.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, no, there's no question you cannot suffer at
Speaker 6: guard play and center play in this division. You can't
Speaker 6: and you'll get exposed for it. And so yeah, you
Speaker 6: know the talkata guard at twelve though, to me is it?
Speaker 6: I understand it. I completely understand it, And but I
Speaker 6: don't know if I can go that route.
Speaker 2: So Brian, let's talk if this team right, Jerry Steven
Speaker 2: and company. They surprised the hell out of us. Boy,
Speaker 2: They go and get a couple receivers. They get a
Speaker 2: wide receiver one B and another complimentary guy and boy,
Speaker 2: we got a running back that we're proud of, and boy,
Speaker 2: they fill this roster out and we legitimately can walk
Speaker 2: into the draft drafting whatever. Not I drafted, no disrespect,
Speaker 2: not I drafted Nolan Carroll, were going to play corner?
Speaker 2: Not that like we got dudes. Hypothetically, Jerry blew us away,
Speaker 2: would you then consider God? Because I do understand the
Speaker 2: pushback I get when I say, oh, yeah, draft of guard,
Speaker 2: draft a tackle. They say, but vice, what about No?
Speaker 2: I understand what about running back? I get that. What
Speaker 2: if all that is set for you and you go, damn,
Speaker 2: running back is gone. McMillan is going, Burton is going.
Speaker 2: The best player just happened to beat his guard.
Speaker 3: Can I take them? No, I totally understand what you're doing.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna I'm gonna throw another position out to you
Speaker 6: that I think that you probably need to think about more.
Speaker 6: Is that corner corner. I mean, if you're telling me
Speaker 6: that it comes down to a guard or a corner
Speaker 6: at twelve, I'm probably taking that damn corner.
Speaker 4: I just don't want to get into a position where
Speaker 4: we're like, man, we need to fill this spot. I
Speaker 4: think that's where they get in trouble. I think if
Speaker 4: the corner is higher on your board, I.
Speaker 6: Think I think there's going to be I think I'm
Speaker 6: going to feel better about a corner first round corner
Speaker 6: at twelve than I am taking a guard at twelve.
Speaker 4: You you'd feel bad about Will Johnson than Tyler Booker.
Speaker 3: I would feel I would, Okay.
Speaker 2: This ain't Baron. See this is the problem.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no.
Speaker 5: No, don't think the cowboys would take Baron over.
Speaker 6: See this, this is okay, this is the problem, because
Speaker 6: this is the problem is for me, I would absolutely
Speaker 6: not take Will Johnson over a guard. Sure, them, I
Speaker 6: can't control with them is doing over there. I'm just
Speaker 6: telling you what I would do. Yeah, And and what
Speaker 6: if they take if they take Will Johnson over that guard,
Speaker 6: then there could be a discussion.
Speaker 3: They're like, well they they this is obviously what they thought.
Speaker 6: Me personally, I am not taking Will Johnson over any
Speaker 6: any guard you tell me.
Speaker 3: And I'm I'm the guy.
Speaker 6: And I don't get me wrong about about Booker. I
Speaker 6: think Jackson, the Ohio State guard, is better, is a
Speaker 6: better player, and I and he's cleaning his head guy,
Speaker 6: and I you know, but if you told me that
Speaker 6: we were taken. If we're sitting in that room and
Speaker 6: I stood in there and I was fighting for a
Speaker 6: corner because I know we don't have one right now,
Speaker 6: there's just there's no Now, we'll see what happens. They're
Speaker 6: trying to get some deals done. If you can get
Speaker 6: Lewis done, if you could get some other things done.
Speaker 6: Right but right now, I mean Diggs. You know, if
Speaker 6: Carson would have played better, I would have felt better
Speaker 6: about the position. I don't feel better about that position
Speaker 6: right now. Do I feel great about guard?
Speaker 3: Hell? No, I don't feel great about guard right.
Speaker 2: That's the whole class though, Brian, because if Giden was better,
Speaker 2: we probably wouldn't be talking about, you know, going to
Speaker 2: go find some stuff you know, Neeland was heard or whatever.
Speaker 2: We we have needed more from these last two clears.
Speaker 6: There seems to be a discussion coming out of the
Speaker 6: combine when shot When when coach Schottenheimer is standing up
Speaker 6: there and talking about Guidon, he's pushing, well, Guidan's in
Speaker 6: the weight room every day. That's telling me right now,
Speaker 6: that's telling me right now that they believe that they've
Speaker 6: got they to your point, how this discussion all started
Speaker 6: that they believe that they have enough bodies to play
Speaker 6: to start five and be fine.
Speaker 2: What they say about Mazzi Masi and no will Yeah,
Speaker 2: you don't ask.
Speaker 4: About for Mazzi there, But I mean to your point,
Speaker 4: when the Cowboys window is open here twenty fourteen, twenty
Speaker 4: some of their best years, that offensive.
Speaker 3: Line was the best in the football, there's no question.
Speaker 5: And that travels man your hope.
Speaker 2: You're taking it anywhere, and that makes it easy for
Speaker 2: everybody else. Run everything but your old quarterback for your
Speaker 2: new quarterback whenever that game is I.
Speaker 4: Mean, I totally get the pushback of like, how many
Speaker 4: first round assets can you put towards the off?
Speaker 5: At some point other.
Speaker 4: Guys need to step up, and you're right, and maybe
Speaker 4: this coaching staff is here to do that. But I'm
Speaker 4: never gonna fight putting assets towards the line of if.
Speaker 6: They Okay, we're hearing right now from Bobby Bell and
Speaker 6: John Moshoda, Todd Archer or Nick Harris, everybody that was
Speaker 6: at the combine, they're all starting to report that they
Speaker 6: that they would be comfortable moving on, say not drafting
Speaker 6: Ashton Genty. Okay, if to me you draft Ashton Genty,
Speaker 6: he makes the offensive line better. His ability to make
Speaker 6: people miss is rare. Absolutely, And if you're and if
Speaker 6: you're not interested in that, does that lead you to
Speaker 6: believe that they feel good about their offensive line that
Speaker 6: they don't need a player like that.
Speaker 2: Let me just be clear. I think this gent talk
Speaker 2: is up there with the Michael Mayer talk, which is
Speaker 2: up there with the Jonathan Brooks talk. I just think
Speaker 2: we're hearing stuff as March is February kind of stuff.
Speaker 6: And I don't think in reality, in reality, they're not
Speaker 6: gonna they could not pass on.
Speaker 2: A guy like yeah, there's please go ahead.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Genty could be an outlier, right, I mean I
Speaker 4: think Zeke was an outlier for them. I think Ashton
Speaker 4: Genty is in that conversation, like I don't think I
Speaker 4: think you have to is a guy they're gonna take
Speaker 4: at twelve, right, like we've seen that mocked times. I
Speaker 4: don't think another running back is in the conversation. High
Speaker 4: Genty's one of those guys where you're gonna have a scout.
Speaker 4: I would assume that we'll stand on the table and
Speaker 4: say this is a generational back. He will instantly be
Speaker 4: one of our top five players. He's our second best
Speaker 4: offensive player to Ceedee Lamb. Offense can run through him,
Speaker 4: we take him. We're not worried about a runner for
Speaker 4: the next five years.
Speaker 6: You better convinced the head coach of that then, yeah,
Speaker 6: because that's that's where this is going to start. By
Speaker 6: the way, if you look at the OsO diggies who
Speaker 6: are being signed, yea, give Matt Eberflus a pat on
Speaker 6: the back of that way. But because these coaches will
Speaker 6: have influence and if if Brian Schottenheimer does not think,
Speaker 6: you know that this back could be a generational type player,
Speaker 6: then they're not going to take him fair. I just
Speaker 6: that that's the thing that kind.
Speaker 5: Of worries me a little.
Speaker 6: In the depth of this class, it might say what
Speaker 6: they think about their offensive line. If they don't have
Speaker 6: to have a back like Genty, then they're thinking their
Speaker 6: offensive line is fine.
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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for everybody who has engaged in
Speaker 4: these questions here, and we'll start off with pro Ash
Speaker 4: the Rapper pro Ash. Can you discuss more free safety
Speaker 4: options in the draft?
Speaker 2: Hey? But two or three of them? So my number
Speaker 2: one guy is Andrew mccouba Texas from Texas. And you know,
Speaker 2: if you want to, if you want to get my respect,
Speaker 2: just go and get picks, man, Just just go and
Speaker 2: be a good sized athlete and go and get tackles,
Speaker 2: and go and get picks. And Andrew mccuba gets plenty
Speaker 2: of them. Now. Malachi Starks is also a free safety
Speaker 2: that you could possibly look at, but I don't think
Speaker 2: we have a good feel of where he's gonna go.
Speaker 2: You know, the more the draft kind of winds down
Speaker 2: a little bit, Starks was like a guy that was
Speaker 2: in that top ten conversation now, which I think he's
Speaker 2: maybe like a teens guy now you think, you know,
Speaker 2: in the twenties. Maybe so, I'm not sure. But Xavier
Speaker 2: Wats is another guy that could play all the savings
Speaker 2: and he gets yes. So I'm a fan of those
Speaker 2: three guys. If you want to wait way until like
Speaker 2: the third round or something like that. Kevin Winston, penn Stable. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Brian loves him on the roof, you know, basketballs down,
Speaker 2: got some good range up and some decent IQ and
Speaker 2: he comes up and he tackles folks. So those are
Speaker 2: four names for you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Ransom too from Ohio State. It's a guy that
Speaker 6: I really really liked with some with some some range.
Speaker 6: I think he's best when he could play as a
Speaker 6: true free If you're looking for somebody late, late, late,
Speaker 6: and I mean late, probably with a fifth round type
Speaker 6: of a graund. I know that maybe Vatch likes him
Speaker 6: a little bit better than me. We've had this discussion
Speaker 6: last night. Was Billy Bowman from Ryan Raider from from Oklahoma. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and he's a little bit of a smaller guy on film.
Speaker 6: He looks he's a five to ten. He's a one
Speaker 6: ninety eight guy. But if you're looking for kind of
Speaker 6: a day three guy. That's that would be a direction
Speaker 6: that I would go more of a true free three.
Speaker 6: He's had eleven interceptions the last three years. He picks
Speaker 6: and he'll get picks now. He will not help you
Speaker 6: at all tackling very much. But the coverage aspect and
Speaker 6: things like that, maybe a Day three guy there. But
Speaker 6: Makuba to me is you know, six footint eighty six
Speaker 6: got you gotta like the way that he plays, the
Speaker 6: way he tracks the ball, the way he finishes. There's
Speaker 6: a lot of really positive things about him.
Speaker 4: That was a good poll there with Billy Bowman Junior.
Speaker 4: Always been a fan of his, got to cover him
Speaker 4: in high school. But you mentioned Xavier Watson. We talked
Speaker 4: about him a little bit yesterday. I think he's more
Speaker 4: of a strong really, yeah, I think he is a
Speaker 4: free I think he can be interchangeable like now downhill
Speaker 4: and pressuring the quarterback like. He's great in run support,
Speaker 4: So I can see what you're talking about there. But
Speaker 4: he's got range man sideline to sideline, can play all
Speaker 4: over the field. Yeah, high IQ player. I think he's
Speaker 4: got fluid technique. He can improve shedding blocks, playing under
Speaker 4: more control. But I think he's an impact type of player.
Speaker 4: So Makuba, I think you and I have both been
Speaker 4: been really high on him. Was productive at Clemson and
Speaker 4: then at Texas. But Xavier watches one of these guys
Speaker 4: man as like the draft goes on, He's got to
Speaker 4: be one of the fun most fun tape studies that
Speaker 4: I think that I've gotten the pleasure of watching so
Speaker 4: far in this class.
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, he could play down, he could play you
Speaker 6: mentioned he could play down, he could play back. They
Speaker 6: put him in the slot and he plays really well
Speaker 6: with his eyes. He does, And I love the way
Speaker 6: the kid reacts to the ball.
Speaker 2: Wys is just magical, you know, like if you watch
Speaker 2: some other safeties, you can be like, Okay, I can
Speaker 2: see why you went that way because the quarterback kind
Speaker 2: of peaked. Now you did it it. Watts just floats
Speaker 2: in a general direction. He does in a general direction.
Speaker 2: The ball just goes to him, right. I really can't
Speaker 2: explain how he gets picks, but he does.
Speaker 5: He gets Okay, next question we've got here.
Speaker 6: He was by the way he was a receiver that
Speaker 6: they moved to safety makes sense, so you can.
Speaker 5: See the ball skills there.
Speaker 12: Uh.
Speaker 4: Todd g Mack wants to did you guys break down
Speaker 4: the Loveland versus Warren battle and your evaluation at tight
Speaker 4: end Colston Loveland, that tight end from Michigan, and then
Speaker 4: Penn State's tight end Tyler Warren.
Speaker 2: I think that's a vast comparison. I think there's a
Speaker 2: lot of room between them. Yeah, some people.
Speaker 3: Have I would put Mason Taylor. I'd put Mason Taylor
Speaker 3: over Loveland myself. I agree is what I would do.
Speaker 6: I think that Warren clearly is the guy, but I
Speaker 6: would I would think that Mason Taylor when you start
Speaker 6: to talk about second round tight ends.
Speaker 3: Sure, I know I have Warren in there.
Speaker 6: I know people have him when I say second round,
Speaker 6: he's probably player sixteen seventeen eighteen on my board. But
Speaker 6: I do I think that, you know, with with Loveland,
Speaker 6: I think with the thing with Loveland, it's kind of
Speaker 6: a jack of all trades player. And Vasht and I
Speaker 6: had this discussion. We did this last night, didn't we
Speaker 6: We have a discussion about tight ends because we were
Speaker 6: thinking about the about Ferguson from Oregon and so yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: so I think that to me with Loveland, you know,
Speaker 6: all his stuff is by movement, it's all by It
Speaker 6: has to be movement. It can't be in line. You know,
Speaker 6: they'll they'll bring him in motion, they'll have him block.
Speaker 6: You know, he's he's a good guy as far as
Speaker 6: tying people up and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: I didn't I wasn't.
Speaker 6: Really warmed up to Warren to start out because I
Speaker 6: thought he was more of a flexed or slot receiver
Speaker 6: in the way he played. But there's some inline stuff
Speaker 6: to his game.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 6: You know, I really do like the toughness with the
Speaker 6: ball in his hands. Uh, you know, you could see
Speaker 6: he'll make tackles. Miss red zone threat.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 6: Jeff Kavanaugh asked me this morning or something on Twitter,
Speaker 6: asked me that, hey, give me a red zone threat
Speaker 6: of a guy, and I think I brought up Tyler
Speaker 6: Warren is that kind of guy that's a really good
Speaker 6: red zone player. I would I would like I say
Speaker 6: I would. I would have Warren, Mason, Taylor, and then
Speaker 6: Loveland would be the guys at my three.
Speaker 2: Uh, just like Warren's is stud Yeah, yeah, Warren Warren.
Speaker 5: It's not even a question in my mind.
Speaker 2: He's a dude. Warren is one for me. Fanning, then Helm,
Speaker 2: then Taylor, then Ferguson, then Loveland envy third round for me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've got I mean Colston Lovelan's Yeah, I could
Speaker 4: be so wrong about but I've got him as the
Speaker 4: third tight end behind Warren and Taylor, and then Fanning's
Speaker 4: in there, and then we.
Speaker 5: Can talk about Elijah Royo from Miami.
Speaker 3: Where did you? Where would we?
Speaker 6: We were thinking about and you and I just had
Speaker 6: this suscussion and I think I flipped it last night
Speaker 6: after the one we had. I put Ferguson over Arroyo
Speaker 6: in Miami, Oregon over Miami in that in that round, yes.
Speaker 2: Sir, Yes, sir, also too, And listen, man, it really
Speaker 2: just depends on what you like, man, I like. I like, yeah, guys,
Speaker 2: man like if I could just get you the ball
Speaker 2: and you just give me a little bit more, And
Speaker 2: that's what Ferguson does. That's really what Warren does. Also,
Speaker 2: Warren just brings a lot of toughness to the game.
Speaker 2: If I had to take the side of what people
Speaker 2: would like with Loveland, Loveland is it looks like he
Speaker 2: could do all things, like he has to build the look,
Speaker 2: the athleticism moved really well. I could teach you how
Speaker 2: to do all things. If I want you to do
Speaker 2: all things to where I would just much rather whatever
Speaker 2: you do, I want you to be like, just great
Speaker 2: at that. Yeah. I think what Warren is great at
Speaker 2: what he does. Fannin is great at what he does.
Speaker 2: Taylor Ferguson, they are great at what they do. And
Speaker 2: they may not do everything well, but they do what
Speaker 2: they do at a top top levels. That's why I
Speaker 2: just like those guys a little more.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I agree with that Loveland. Like I said,
Speaker 4: man a tremendous receiving threat. I just there's something about it.
Speaker 4: I just like the other guys a little bit more.
Speaker 2: Plus, Warren lines up at quarterback, takes directs, start running back,
Speaker 2: dar y'all to do something.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean the dude had four more rushing touchdowns as
Speaker 4: a tight end. Unbelievable what he was able to do.
Speaker 4: And he comes with the bloodlines. I mean, I put
Speaker 4: in my.
Speaker 5: Notes, Shrew Loveland, give me this guy. I was watching
Speaker 5: Tyler Wardon. I mean, no disrespect to you, Colston Loveland.
Speaker 2: No disrespect. I think a third round grade for a
Speaker 2: tight end is a really good that's really good grade.
Speaker 4: No, and this class has some good tight ends that
Speaker 4: we're looking at here and with the Royo, it's like, hey,
Speaker 4: local kid as well. I went to go independence, but
Speaker 4: can't he stay healthy him? That was a question mark
Speaker 4: there at Miami, okay from Hector Armenta, who do you
Speaker 4: think there's some of the top Day two slot corners
Speaker 4: in your opinion?
Speaker 2: Well, you got one to just tore up the combine there,
Speaker 2: this Maxwell Maxwell Harriston. Have you moved him up and down?
Speaker 2: Your bought it all? He's a third round for me?
Speaker 3: Has he I left him? I left him in their
Speaker 3: left him.
Speaker 5: That's a second rounder.
Speaker 2: He might be, but I got him in the third.
Speaker 2: I don't want to move guys too too much, man,
Speaker 2: But you're just talking about like Nickel guys. I think
Speaker 2: that there's I think a bunch of them though.
Speaker 3: I think Noel Williams could play in there. Nickel and Nickel.
Speaker 6: I think Parish from Kansas State could probably play in there,
Speaker 6: and maybe Riley from Louisville I think could maybe playing
Speaker 6: there as well. Yeah, yeah, Maxwell Harriston.
Speaker 4: Though, I mean the ball finds this guy like, he
Speaker 4: breaks on the ball really well. I think he passes
Speaker 4: off coverage as well and zone. I think he would
Speaker 4: certainly be one. You guys think Trey Amos or miss
Speaker 4: could kick inside it all the length with him, I
Speaker 4: think he plays better outside.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 3: He is a sticky guy on the outside.
Speaker 4: He really is. And he also had a tremendous combine.
Speaker 4: But he gets a good jam off the line, he
Speaker 4: really does. I mean, those are two guys that I
Speaker 4: would look at in the second round. I don't know
Speaker 4: about like a Benjamin Morrison. I don't think he can
Speaker 4: really kick inside. I think he's a true outside player
Speaker 4: as well. I mean, Baron's a first rounder, but that's
Speaker 4: a dude that I think could could certainly be a
Speaker 4: really good nickel corner at the next level. But I
Speaker 4: do like what you were saying with Parish from Kansas State.
Speaker 4: I mean, I know he's five to ten, but to me,
Speaker 4: I love that kid. I love the compete that he
Speaker 4: plays with. And then I don't know that he's a
Speaker 4: nickel guy. But I brought up Kobe Bryant from Kansas
Speaker 4: who we got to see at the Shrine Bowl. Dominated
Speaker 4: those practices, was a leader there. You know, can he
Speaker 4: gamble a little bit?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 5: A risk taker?
Speaker 4: He sure is, But I do love kind of that
Speaker 4: dog mentality he plays was as we get to see
Speaker 4: some of a perish from Kansas State right now. And
Speaker 4: he is a smaller player, five ten, five eleven right there.
Speaker 6: He's thick the tackle, Yeah, he's thick.
Speaker 4: He's not scared to throw his box in there. Okay,
Speaker 4: let's keep going with Twitter on the twenty from a
Speaker 4: ray of hope. Cowboys need offensive weapons. If gent and
Speaker 4: McMillan are gone, who's the next best offensive weapon available?
Speaker 2: In your opinion, Well, I don't want to sound like
Speaker 2: you know, Recency Bias guy man, but you know, Matthew
Speaker 2: gold No, you you've.
Speaker 6: Been on Golden the whole time, so go ahead for it.
Speaker 6: I mean, you're not Recncy Bias said he was a
Speaker 6: first round player on your board several weeks ago.
Speaker 2: Golden is sitting right there for your ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 2: And now he's confirmed that he runs as fast as
Speaker 2: you think he does. I think, you know, he may
Speaker 2: have been down on some boards because you know, Texas
Speaker 2: really didn't figure him out to the end of the season.
Speaker 2: But boy, once you got to the end of the season,
Speaker 2: he was a go to guy. And you know everybody's
Speaker 2: talking about well Vosh where's the clutch? Guys? Hey, look,
Speaker 2: whenever the game is on the line, but if you
Speaker 2: needed to play, they found that guy.
Speaker 6: They found that dude. I think I think Luther Burton
Speaker 6: is one of those guys too, right there? I think,
Speaker 6: did he?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 6: And I have burden over Golden But you know, like
Speaker 6: I say, Vatch, he and I do a lot of
Speaker 6: shows together, and he's made some very very good points
Speaker 6: about Golden. He said, hey, brought us this guy is
Speaker 6: going to run well, and he ran great. If you
Speaker 6: want to talk about a back, I would throw Henderson
Speaker 6: in this group as far as if you wanted a
Speaker 6: weapon as a back, a guy that can run and
Speaker 6: catch as well. You know, maybe that's something that you know,
Speaker 6: he he, He might not be there for you. But
Speaker 6: I think that when you start to talk about running
Speaker 6: back weapons Smith from SMU Blue from Texas, you know,
Speaker 6: Harvey from Central Florida. Yeah, there's I mean, you know,
Speaker 6: I love me so yeah. So these are all weapons
Speaker 6: guys that catch the ball well and make things happen
Speaker 6: with it in their hands.
Speaker 4: And they brought back Rico. I think Jayden Blue would
Speaker 4: be much more interesting for me because I just look
Speaker 4: at Blue in a comp that I've just thrown out
Speaker 4: there is like James White. I just think he's a
Speaker 4: true third down receiving back. He can make plays in space.
Speaker 4: The fumbles are a huge problem for me, But I
Speaker 4: don't think he's a guy that I'm giving the keys
Speaker 4: to my backfield. Is a true every down BA. I
Speaker 4: think he's a specialty player, but certainly a weapon for you.
Speaker 2: As far as running back goes, I understand the thought
Speaker 2: to bring Rico back and all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: We go DoD a fantastic job, right, but I don't
Speaker 2: want us to skimp over running back just because you
Speaker 2: got Rico, because yeah, shut out Rico. Man, he had
Speaker 2: his best here last year, but that was his first year.
Speaker 2: He's been healthy, right, Yeah, Like doesn't he normally get hurt?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he actually made it through the whole year. Absolutely.
Speaker 6: Would you be good with the combination please of Rico.
Speaker 6: This is gonna sound off because they're kind of the
Speaker 6: same guy, Rico and Martinez from Miami.
Speaker 2: No, I don't want that the same dude, same Okay,
Speaker 2: Rico is better, the same.
Speaker 3: Dude Rico Brooks Texas Tech.
Speaker 4: See if I'm I need juice and I love todge Brooks.
Speaker 4: I think todge Brooks is okay. Where do you okay?
Speaker 4: Then where with the running backs? Do you stop with juice?
Speaker 2: So Sampson, I'm looking at Samson. I'm looking at Harvey.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at Blue Yeah, Blue Smith. I'm looking at Smith.
Speaker 4: Richard Smith does I like? I think he would be
Speaker 4: a good compliment. I like Britchard Smith.
Speaker 6: So you guys want okay, how about James from Oregon?
Speaker 6: No juice there?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: James is closer to what Rico ca.
Speaker 3: Okay, so then you okay?
Speaker 2: So to me, I want to find somebody in day two.
Speaker 2: I don't want to wait around till like the fifth.
Speaker 3: Oh I am.
Speaker 6: I am all about forty four right now, because if
Speaker 6: they if they don't take the one that I would
Speaker 6: like at twelve, then let's see if that.
Speaker 4: Thing Rocket Sanders from South Carolina, that might be a
Speaker 4: good option for you if you want to if you
Speaker 4: want another combo guy, when does Gittings have enough juice
Speaker 4: for you? I'm in on DJ Giddenson. I didn't want
Speaker 4: to bring him up because I know you don't think
Speaker 4: he did.
Speaker 3: Oh that's fine, I mean you can bring him up.
Speaker 3: He likes he likes him too.
Speaker 4: The long speed, I get that, Like, you're not wrong
Speaker 4: about him getting caught, sure, but he's super quick and
Speaker 4: the elusiveness like that dude is so good at making
Speaker 4: the first guy.
Speaker 6: See that's where I I mean, I kind of had
Speaker 6: him in that group of guys that that you know
Speaker 6: that that are productive. But everybody you mentioned the Sampkin
Speaker 6: Sampkin Sampson from Blue Smith Scataboo, I mean somebody's I'm
Speaker 6: one of those guys that I hope somebody takes Scataboo
Speaker 6: and it's not me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. Listen, we talking about Rico and Rico types, right,
Speaker 2: Would that stop us from drafting Hampton or Johnson? No?
Speaker 6: There, I think, are you guys getting the feeling that
Speaker 6: Johnson's going to be the guy that could be there
Speaker 6: at forty four?
Speaker 2: I think I think Hampton, Johnson, and Henderson gonna all
Speaker 2: be gone.
Speaker 6: See the thing about it, will people get turned off
Speaker 6: by what Johnson ran at the combine?
Speaker 2: I don't bother me at all.
Speaker 5: I don't think they should be.
Speaker 4: I mean, to me on stape, I think Johnson looks
Speaker 4: faster than Hampton does.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I have Johnson over Hampton same. But but
Speaker 6: but to me, the way this thing's kind of playing out,
Speaker 6: it seems like to me a lot of these mock
Speaker 6: drafts and whether they know it or not, Genty's gone,
Speaker 6: Hampton's gone, Henderson's gone. You know, we're starting to see
Speaker 6: but maybe that Johnson is the guy that's gonna be there.
Speaker 2: That'll be great for us. If that's the case. I
Speaker 2: have a fear that all these guys are gonna be
Speaker 2: gone and we're gonna have to patty to maybe you know,
Speaker 2: try to overreach for like a running back, or maybe
Speaker 2: we're gonna take a running back that we really didn't
Speaker 2: want to take in the second round. But if Johnson
Speaker 2: is there, then we should be throwing the dawn party
Speaker 2: for real.
Speaker 4: Yeah, in real life. Yeah, I'm at forty four. He'd
Speaker 4: be an absolute steal. I've been on that as well.
Speaker 5: I think these.
Speaker 4: Running backs are gonna go pretty high, higher than we
Speaker 4: think that they will. Like, maybe you can get a
Speaker 4: Trevon Henderson there out of Ohio State in the second round.
Speaker 5: It might be more likely quinch On Judkins, why's he following?
Speaker 2: Having to look at why's he following Johnson? Why's he
Speaker 2: falling speed?
Speaker 3: They are people because what he ran the combine?
Speaker 2: Are they overthinking him? And Ted McMillan the same thing
Speaker 2: with him, But I just always.
Speaker 6: Sure, sure, sure, and the same thing. I mean a
Speaker 6: Lance Zurline. I have a lot of respect for Lance Curline.
Speaker 6: He was on our station on one O five three
Speaker 6: the other night, you know, with our guys, and and
Speaker 6: he was kind of talking about that Johnson runs through
Speaker 6: wide open holes, like it's big wide open holes. I'm
Speaker 6: like going, man, I don't know. I mean, to me,
Speaker 6: it's every time they hand him the ball. It seems
Speaker 6: like when he when there is the hole closes whatever,
Speaker 6: he's kind of getting through the hole and maybe running
Speaker 6: through somebody breaking the tackle.
Speaker 3: And I don't know.
Speaker 6: I mean, he made it sound like that that Johnson
Speaker 6: was somebody that that that he wouldn't take.
Speaker 2: Caleb Johnson bounces off the people. So I really don't know.
Speaker 4: Caleb Johnson had one thousand and sixty yards after contact,
Speaker 4: thank you, So that would prove what Lance said to
Speaker 4: be incorrect.
Speaker 6: And I like for the most in the entire country. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I like Lance a lot, and I but yeah, you're
Speaker 6: right about Lance. Yeah, I think I don't know, man,
Speaker 6: I kind of feel like that if you gave me
Speaker 6: a shot at taken, if you gave me a shot
Speaker 6: of taking Caleb Johnson at sixty one, two and twenty
Speaker 6: four points, Yeah, man, I mean the vision, the runner,
Speaker 6: the power that he runs with authority.
Speaker 3: Uh. You guys remember Trey Benson Florida State.
Speaker 4: I mean I thought he was our Now see that's
Speaker 4: great after year one on that one, Yeah, I.
Speaker 6: Kind of felt like that this guy was a little
Speaker 6: bit had some Trey Benson to his game. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And I think the knock on Benson was is he
Speaker 4: more of a scheme fit? Yeah, so maybe that's another
Speaker 4: thing with Caleb Johnson. We saw Joey Porter Junior fell
Speaker 4: out of the first round because teams thought maybe he
Speaker 4: was as a scheme specific corner. I didn't agree with, but.
Speaker 2: It was wrong.
Speaker 6: I watched the Wisconsin game and by the end of
Speaker 6: that game, Wisconsin wanted nothing.
Speaker 2: To do with him, puffing and puff and falling all over.
Speaker 3: Nothing to do with that.
Speaker 4: Well, and he had one of my favorite quotes in
Speaker 4: this process. He said, I don't like juking. If I
Speaker 4: have to, then I will. I like running over people.
Speaker 4: I like stiff arming out, running, catching I have way
Speaker 4: more gats left in the tank, said Caleb Johnson.
Speaker 5: I love the kid. I'm a big, big fan.
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Speaker 5: We're gonna do a little pick your player, all right.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go through three rounds here, and I've got
Speaker 4: several names that are on the board.
Speaker 5: You tell me in this scenario, who are you taking?
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 4: Pick twelve, first round, Dallas Cowboys on the clock. You've
Speaker 4: got Armin Membu offensive tackle at a Missouri A right.
Speaker 4: You got Tetoroa McMillan, wide receiver out of Arizona, on
Speaker 4: the board. You've got Tyler Booker offensive guard out of
Speaker 4: Alabama and Jalen Walker edge out.
Speaker 5: Of Georgia as well.
Speaker 4: Those four players, like them all, I think the Cowboys
Speaker 4: are sitting pretty here if this were to be how
Speaker 4: it falls. But out of these four Memboo McMillan, Booker, Walker,
Speaker 4: where you're.
Speaker 2: Going, Okay, well, I'm gonna let Jalen Walker fall to
Speaker 2: me in the second round, so I ain't worry about
Speaker 2: that one. The best player out of that group for
Speaker 2: me is my player number five is tedor Roa McMillan.
Speaker 2: I think they're overthinking this kid, a bunch man. You know,
Speaker 2: we always talk about generational guys. I don't think he's
Speaker 2: generational necessarily, but what he does with the ball in
Speaker 2: the air, body control, like, I think that's generational, like
Speaker 2: high pointing, like look at this man, look at this
Speaker 2: fifty fifty ball. Stuff. That's just that's generational to me.
Speaker 2: Kiper told on himself, man, he you know, he went
Speaker 2: on a went on TV name dropping Kiper. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: but yeah, he kind of told on himself a little bit.
Speaker 2: He said, well, contested catches, you could do it versus
Speaker 2: these college guys. But can you do it versus pros? Right,
Speaker 2: And first of all, that's a question that you have
Speaker 2: to say about any wide receiver coming out and the draft.
Speaker 2: But there's film, there's film of him versus Travis Hunter. Yeah,
Speaker 2: doing what he does best, contesting. Now, if he went
Speaker 2: out there versus Travis Hunter and we didn't see him
Speaker 2: do nothing, or some of the best corners in the league,
Speaker 2: he just didn't do anything, all right, Cool, then McMillan's
Speaker 2: picking on the new Mexico State kids. But he does
Speaker 2: it versus the best guy in the country two years
Speaker 2: in a row. So I'm taking McMillan. I'm pairing him
Speaker 2: with Lamb and we're gonna have a little party.
Speaker 6: Yeah, this guy, we always talk about route runners. This
Speaker 6: guy is one of the best ones in the country.
Speaker 6: He's so smooth in the way he plays. And sure
Speaker 6: he's probably gonna run in the four fives. But you
Speaker 6: talk about catching the ball in the move, he doesn't
Speaker 6: fight it. He could take a big hit, he can
Speaker 6: hold on. I mean, I love the way he catches
Speaker 6: the ball in traffic. He could punish tacklers himself after
Speaker 6: the catch. He could be a hard guy to bring
Speaker 6: to the ground. He's one of the tops in the
Speaker 6: country when it comes to forcing miss tackles. So say
Speaker 6: what you want about the kid. I would absolutely take
Speaker 6: him at twelve if he was there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't need to see him run. I just
Speaker 4: don't care what forty time he runs.
Speaker 3: Did I'd like to see it.
Speaker 5: Tapes phenomenal. Yeah, I mean if he does, if I'm
Speaker 5: if I'm gonna runs fast and.
Speaker 6: Awesome, if I'm gonna if I'm gonna ask for Will
Speaker 6: Johnson to run, Yeah, I need to ask for this
Speaker 6: kid run.
Speaker 5: And that's fair.
Speaker 4: But let's if you ran and it's a poor time,
Speaker 4: it's not gonna change my judgment on the player.
Speaker 3: The tape. The tape right there will take just outstanding.
Speaker 3: Tape's good enough.
Speaker 4: And I mean, I think he's a Mike Evans type
Speaker 4: of player. And maybe he's not as fast as Mike Evans,
Speaker 4: but I love him. He's my fourth overall player on
Speaker 4: the board in this scenario. He's without question the best
Speaker 4: player that I would have in gent for those wondering
Speaker 4: is off the board. He's not available here in this scenario.
Speaker 4: So McMillan would be the pick over the other guys.
Speaker 4: All right, so Tedorowa McMillan the selection there the wide
Speaker 4: receiver at twelve out of Arizona wit.
Speaker 2: Second, though I'm taking Booker and I'm not.
Speaker 5: I'm not that would be your number two in that I'm.
Speaker 2: Not hesitating at all. I am running a good book.
Speaker 2: I think Bover Memboo. I think Booker is all pro
Speaker 2: type guard dude. I think Membo is going to be
Speaker 2: a really good time his lead.
Speaker 4: So you would go, okay, Teed, Booker, Membo, and then
Speaker 4: Jalen Walker would be the fourth consideration there.
Speaker 3: I would take Walker second on my board on fire.
Speaker 3: Actually I would have already tried.
Speaker 5: I would agree, I would go uh.
Speaker 4: I would I would go mc millan, Walker, Booker, uh,
Speaker 4: and then Membo.
Speaker 6: I think Memboo would be the last one on my
Speaker 6: I have questions. I think Membo is an excellent athlete.
Speaker 6: I don't know how mean he is. I think there's
Speaker 6: a lot of I think there's a lot of kind
Speaker 6: of if he were if he were to be at
Speaker 6: a like a Booker mean chip on his shoulder, then
Speaker 6: you could put him over Simmons and Campbell and everybody
Speaker 6: else in this thing. I just don't know how mean
Speaker 6: he really is okay.
Speaker 4: Second round, You've got Exavier Watts, safety out of Notre Dame.
Speaker 4: Marion Hampton running back in North Carolina also available. You've
Speaker 4: got Trey Amos, the cornerback out of Ole, miss who's
Speaker 4: sitting there as well. And you could also go with
Speaker 4: as Ray Thomas, the corner out of Florida State.
Speaker 2: Zach Woodchuck. These people would give me a damn Nobel
Speaker 2: prize if I can walk out of here with Ted
Speaker 2: McMillan and Damn Hampton? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 7: Sir?
Speaker 2: Are you kid me?
Speaker 4: And I just know you guys aren't in love with
Speaker 4: Dyon Walker, the defensive tackle out of Kentucky. Else i'd
Speaker 4: have mentioned him, but I know he's not gonna You
Speaker 4: wouldn't take.
Speaker 6: Him if you if you put what if you put
Speaker 6: Harmon in there? Would Harmon change your mind on any
Speaker 6: of this stuff?
Speaker 2: I'm still taking Hampton, and they're gonna have to give
Speaker 2: me some type of trophy on a race.
Speaker 5: I would take Harmon.
Speaker 2: Uh oh, the Hampton.
Speaker 5: Let me see on my stack here, Gosh, yeah, I would.
Speaker 2: I would.
Speaker 5: I've got Harmon a little bit higher than Hampton on here.
Speaker 3: I would take. I would. I would definitely I would
Speaker 3: take Hampton.
Speaker 4: Over out of these scenarios, I'm definitely going Hampton. I'd
Speaker 4: probably go Hampton Watts, then Amos and Thomas.
Speaker 6: I have I have it flipped. I have it flipped. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I have Thomas over Amos. But I think I'm with you.
Speaker 6: I would go Hampton, Watts, Thomas Amos is how I
Speaker 6: would would rank it.
Speaker 2: Same for me.
Speaker 4: All right, man, if you could come away with Amari
Speaker 4: and Hampton, Ted McMillan, that's just to me. I don't
Speaker 4: feel like that's real. But we can dream. We can
Speaker 4: absolutely dream. Okay, third round consideration here, choose your fighter,
Speaker 4: Kevin Winston, Junior safety out of Penn State. All right,
Speaker 4: you've got you've got Omar Norman Lott, defensive tackle out
Speaker 4: of Tennessee. You've got Jared Ivy the edge out of
Speaker 4: Ole Miss who's available there. And then we've already taken
Speaker 4: a running back, So I'll take out the running back.
Speaker 4: But how about Elijah Royo, the tight end out of Miami.
Speaker 2: Who were your first two guys? Again?
Speaker 4: It was Ted Johnson or excuse me, Kevin Winston Junior
Speaker 4: and then Omar Norman Lott.
Speaker 2: Give me Norman Lett. Okay, then give me to Safety.
Speaker 2: Then I'm going on, uh the tight end that I'm
Speaker 2: going Ivy.
Speaker 6: You guys don't like Ivy, no, not as not as
Speaker 6: much as you obviously do.
Speaker 5: I like I do you like Ivy?
Speaker 2: I like Ivy. It's just a lot of guys I
Speaker 2: like more than Ivy. That's probably like Okay.
Speaker 5: If I had to say Ivy or Brayden Swinson.
Speaker 2: Out of l s Uwinson is Awinton, Ivy would and
Speaker 2: we should have took him last round? Is how I
Speaker 2: feel about Swinton Swinston.
Speaker 4: Maybe second second? Yeah, I think Swinston's really good. What
Speaker 4: about Jordan Birch the edge out of Oregon?
Speaker 2: I got Birch.
Speaker 3: I would take Ivory over Birch.
Speaker 5: You go Ivy over Birch. See Birch reminds me a
Speaker 5: little bit of Tank the way that he plays. I
Speaker 5: think size.
Speaker 2: I think I thinks Oregon.
Speaker 3: By the way, folks, Birch.
Speaker 2: Is a is a much better athlete for his size.
Speaker 2: I think, and I think Ivy is Ivy old miss
Speaker 2: is like a rundown a Milliu. I think Ivy is
Speaker 2: more of a Tank Lawrence kind of guy.
Speaker 5: Ivy.
Speaker 4: I'm I like Ivy eight sacks, ten tackles for lost.
Speaker 4: I think you can set the edge in the run.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Uh, to me is a good player.
Speaker 4: I mean he did the stunts, like if the Cowboys
Speaker 4: are gonna do a lot of stunts with with Flus.
Speaker 4: He's really good at the stunts, uh in my opinion. Now,
Speaker 4: like he doesn't have the great natural bends. That's where
Speaker 4: Swinston's much better to me as an athlete, being able
Speaker 4: to bend around the edge.
Speaker 6: But I like Ivy play this game with me. Then
Speaker 6: boys Winston, Penn State, m hm, Swssinger from u c
Speaker 6: l A linebacker Okay, Sanders defensive tackle South Carolina soowl
Speaker 6: so well from Texas.
Speaker 2: Okay, so give me Baron uh sorrel from Texas. Then
Speaker 2: give me Sweesssinger the linebacker from u u c l A.
Speaker 2: Then you say Sanders and who else?
Speaker 6: Sanders defense, and and then Winston the safety from Penn State.
Speaker 2: I'm going Winston to safety and then Sanders.
Speaker 3: Okay, I was trying to throw you off with the
Speaker 3: I like this.
Speaker 4: I like Sweassenger, like if you could get him at
Speaker 4: seventy six. I mean this is a run and hit
Speaker 4: linebacker super instinctive. Now he's got one year of production.
Speaker 4: I mean he played in thirty eight games. He had
Speaker 4: ten starts across four seasons, but the starts came this
Speaker 4: past year.
Speaker 5: There.
Speaker 4: But this is a dude one hundred and sixty three tackles,
Speaker 4: eleven for loss, five sacks, two interceptions at special teams value.
Speaker 4: I think the angles that he takes are really really good.
Speaker 4: He's instinctive. I'm a big fan of Carson Sweessinger. In
Speaker 4: a draft where it's like, oh, which linebackers do we
Speaker 4: really love, He's a dude that I would argue for.
Speaker 4: I mean, if you could get in linebacker's a need here,
Speaker 4: I think i'd put him number one at that cluster.
Speaker 4: I'd probably put the safety last for me battling with TJ.
Speaker 4: Sanders for that spot, but I think i'd go Swassenger
Speaker 4: out of that.
Speaker 3: Out of that group, how about would you take?
Speaker 6: Who would you take between Rattledge the Georgia guard, Yeah,
Speaker 6: or say Canard the edge.
Speaker 2: I got a second on Canard and I got a
Speaker 2: third on Yeah.
Speaker 5: I jo Canard, Okay. I do like how Canard a lot.
Speaker 2: I like him a bunch. There's a lot of edges
Speaker 2: in his group, and that's you know, that's something that
Speaker 2: you know, uh, maybe like three three shows ago. It
Speaker 2: was like me, Kyle and Tommy and he was talking
Speaker 2: about one of the edges and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I got him in the fourth he was like, you
Speaker 2: don't like him. I was like, yeah, I like him.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: There's just a lot of others.
Speaker 2: And me and Brian have watched like like twenty five years. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and we we may not like three or four of them,
Speaker 2: but the other twenty one got a shot to do
Speaker 2: something for you.
Speaker 5: Here's the one that you least liked was Landon Jackson.
Speaker 2: Way down to the bottom. I got Save Jones from
Speaker 2: LSU and Keemon Rutger.
Speaker 6: Rutger was the guy from North Carolina that I had,
Speaker 6: and I had a problem with Baron from Miami.
Speaker 2: From Miami, Julyati from Louisville's down there. But besides that, though,
Speaker 2: Ivy and up, it's about eighteen names and I just
Speaker 2: I just like them.
Speaker 3: Is anybody in the group.
Speaker 6: And I think, Vosh, you and I have talked about
Speaker 6: this though, and Zach, when I ask you about this
Speaker 6: real quick, because I might have this guy wrong. Okay,
Speaker 6: maybe buried Jared Wilson, the center from Georgia.
Speaker 3: Have you seen him?
Speaker 4: Yeah, he does a good job getting He's better than
Speaker 4: I thought that he was going to be when I
Speaker 4: watched him play.
Speaker 2: He was worse than I thought of movie.
Speaker 4: Really I had because I had heard negative things.
Speaker 3: Oh no, we yeah, I heard, well you gout.
Speaker 5: I had gotten soured on him.
Speaker 3: I just don't see a starter here.
Speaker 4: I yeah, I don't think that's a guy that if
Speaker 4: you're talking about immediate trade.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no.
Speaker 6: I I am trying like hell to find a center,
Speaker 6: and every center that I watch, i'm kind of like,
Speaker 6: you know, the one I really like it potentially would
Speaker 6: be Willie Lampkin from North Carolina.
Speaker 3: But okay, it's five ten, two seventy. Yeah. See, Disabel
Speaker 3: is gonna go a lot earlier than.
Speaker 5: Probably any know in the first round.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I mean, yeah, he might end up jumping
Speaker 4: up because I do think he's the guy that's probably
Speaker 4: the best center in the draft. But yeah, I don't
Speaker 4: think Willson's a starter day one at all.
Speaker 3: See.
Speaker 6: I was trying to get watch to like Drew Kendall
Speaker 6: from Boston College.
Speaker 5: I see, I haven't seen him yet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's the I watched the tackle, but
Speaker 4: I haven't seen the center there at Boston College yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, did you know?
Speaker 5: Did you you liked him and watch didn't like him?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: What Kendall? Yeah, I scouted his dad. His dad was
Speaker 3: a first round pick on the sales spot for him.
Speaker 6: No, I just know he he's he's light in the ass.
Speaker 3: He's three hundred and eight pounds.
Speaker 5: I can't have a light in the ass.
Speaker 3: By the way, hey, watch last night.
Speaker 6: I meant to ask you this real quick about the
Speaker 6: guy we did, just real quick on the Which guy
Speaker 6: did you do? The guy from Connecticut? The guy from Connecticut?
Speaker 2: Lunt?
Speaker 3: Lunt?
Speaker 2: Okay, I haven't watched Lunch yet.
Speaker 3: You have not watched him yet.
Speaker 6: I'm watching late okay, Okay, just you know, don't bring
Speaker 6: We watched no Chase Chase Lunt.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 6: I'm just saying this. This kid is going to remind you.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna wait. I'm gonna wait because I want I'm
Speaker 6: gonna wait. I want to see you haven't seen him either, No, okay,
Speaker 6: I'll watch him. He's gonna remind you of somebody familiar
Speaker 6: with I believe y'all had to.
Speaker 2: Tap in on YouTube at Vace Lombard and watch you
Speaker 2: doing all Right? Podcast?
Speaker 5: Brian brought us you guys.
Speaker 4: Watch Teddy Buchanan, the linebacker from that's now we have
Speaker 4: to do that one now, okay.
Speaker 2: Because all these linebackers making me sick.
Speaker 4: Teddy Buchanan is not gonna make you sick. And that's
Speaker 4: one of our Shrine Bowl guys. Watch and he flashed
Speaker 4: at some of the practice sod In Martin, the Memphis kid.
Speaker 4: Teddy Buchanan instinctive like a lot of actors lack some instincts.
Speaker 6: Danga seven, guy that you just shot down on my
Speaker 6: Gang of seven guys.
Speaker 3: So I've known you. I'm fearful about even asking.
Speaker 5: Like, hey, watch Teddy Buchanan. You tell me what you think.
Speaker 2: Every time somebody recommend a linebacker for us, we just
Speaker 2: get sick of them. Cow and Tom, you said, oh
Speaker 2: rasch Nick Martin from Oklahoma State Mark, write this name down,
Speaker 2: write this name a bet we're gonna watch Nick Martin,
Speaker 2: And boy, I was sick of Nick.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You like what you see from Teddy running the opposite
Speaker 2: direction when the ball going over there, or Nick Martin
Speaker 2: just standing up in that movie.
Speaker 4: Look at the draft show scouts at home. Let me
Speaker 4: know what you think about. Teddy Buchanan. All right, thank
Speaker 4: you so much for everybody who's been a part of
Speaker 4: this one. Of course in the back there, Jazzy Josh
Speaker 4: just kicking butt, taking names, Chris Beam as well, votch Ryan,
Speaker 4: Kyle Yeomans who hopefully back very very soon if his
Speaker 4: schedule allows. Bobby Belt, get well, Buddy, Tommy rsh Nick Harris,
Speaker 4: we love you. I'm zach Walchick until next week. Hugs
Speaker 4: and handpounds everybody.
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