WEBVTT - Gov. Tim Walz, Timothy Snyder & Steven Mazie

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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<v Speaker 1>where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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<v Speaker 1>today's best minds, and one in eight women say they've

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<v Speaker 1>secretly voted differently than their partners. We have such a

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<v Speaker 1>great show for you today. Vice presidential nominee Minnesota Governor

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<v Speaker 1>Tim Walls stops by to tell us what it's like

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<v Speaker 1>in the home stretch. Then we'll talk to Yale professor

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<v Speaker 1>Timothy Snyder about how the media is playing into the

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<v Speaker 1>fascist handbook. Lastly, we will have a bonus conversation with

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<v Speaker 1>the economists Stephen Mazie about the courts. But first the news.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Mollie, I was scrolling through Twitter last night. I

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<v Speaker 2>heard Donald Trump's talking to Tucker Carlson, which always fills

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<v Speaker 2>my heart with sadness, and then I heard what they said,

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<v Speaker 2>and it horrified me.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it weird for you to see Liz Cheney? That'd

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<v Speaker 3>be Dick cheney repulsive little daughter running against you with

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<v Speaker 3>Kamala Harris.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I think it hurts Kamala a lot. Actually, Look,

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<v Speaker 4>she's a deranged person. But the reason she couldn't send

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<v Speaker 4>me is that she always wanted to go to war

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<v Speaker 4>with people I don't want to go to war. She

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<v Speaker 4>wanted to go. She wanted to stay in Syria. I

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<v Speaker 4>took him out. She wanted to stay in Iraq.

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<v Speaker 5>I took him out.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, if we're up to her, we'd be in

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<v Speaker 4>fifty different countries.

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<v Speaker 2>She's a radical war hawk.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's put her with a rifle standing there with nine

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<v Speaker 4>barrel shooting at her. Okay, let's see how she feels

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<v Speaker 4>about it. You know, when the guns are trained in

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<v Speaker 4>her face. You know, there were all warhawks when they're

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<v Speaker 4>sitting in Washington in a nice building, saying, oh, gee,

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<v Speaker 4>you will, let's send Let's send ten thousand troops right

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<v Speaker 4>into the mouth of the enemy. But she's a stupid person.

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<v Speaker 4>And I used to have I have meetings with a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of people, and she always wanted to go to

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<v Speaker 4>war with people.

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<v Speaker 1>So the point of that is that it certainly sounded

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<v Speaker 1>to me like Donald Trump was musing about having the

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<v Speaker 1>guns pointed at Liz Cheney's face and threatening her life. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's defenders, which is everyone on Twitter and all of

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<v Speaker 1>the conservative media, were furious because they said it was

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<v Speaker 1>clipped and that the full context, which we actually played

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<v Speaker 1>for you earlier, shows that in fact, he was not

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<v Speaker 1>threatening Liz Cheney. He was talking about how much he

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<v Speaker 1>hates wore. I don't know. I mean, I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>you should just stay away from talking about killing people

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<v Speaker 1>by a firing squad either way. And the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, again like so much Trump's plaining, he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>really mean to say that, he said it this way. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to add that Trump has a group of

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<v Speaker 1>really angry fans, many of whom have a lot of weapons.

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<v Speaker 1>So when he muses about shooting people, it's not good.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not good. That is this is my hottest take.

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<v Speaker 1>He should not do that. It's not good. It's really scary.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels like an invitation to something bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure does, So what's shift gears too? Instead of bad? Too?

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<v Speaker 2>Stupid as all hell. Trump loves filing lawsuits famously. He

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<v Speaker 2>files more of them than almost anyone in public life.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you see here, Molly?

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<v Speaker 1>This is a little bit the same. Trump gets angry

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<v Speaker 1>when his quotes are taken out of context. If he

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<v Speaker 1>can take offense for something that he will, And he

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<v Speaker 1>and his people are suing CBS for ten billion dollars

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<v Speaker 1>in damages. It seems like a lot for alleged partisan

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<v Speaker 1>and unlawful acts of election and voter interference. Now, Trump

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<v Speaker 1>says everything that he doesn't like his voter interference, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like the Russian investigation election interference, because that's sort of

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<v Speaker 1>his thing. So he said that CBS, you know, they

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<v Speaker 1>sort of edited a question in sixty minutes that Harris

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<v Speaker 1>had a sort of snappier answer to. I don't even

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<v Speaker 1>really get the drama here, but his people got very

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<v Speaker 1>angry about this. He is suing in the North District

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<v Speaker 1>of Texas, and he's alleging that there were two different

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<v Speaker 1>versions of Harris's response to a question about the Israel

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<v Speaker 1>Helmas War. He's suing in this North District of Texas

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<v Speaker 1>because he knows he'll get a judge that is favorable

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<v Speaker 1>for his rulings because Trump has Trump judges who do

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<v Speaker 1>what he wants. The judges in Texas have done a

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<v Speaker 1>lot for Trump. So you know, maybe this works, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't, but I don't think judge shopping is not

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<v Speaker 1>how any of this is supposed to go.

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<v Speaker 2>So we have some early voting data. You want to

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<v Speaker 2>explain it to the listeners, Molly.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to like caution on early voting data. All

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<v Speaker 1>you can tell from it, and it depends on the states.

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<v Speaker 1>Some states you can't even tell this, but a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of states you can only tell the partisan breakup. And

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<v Speaker 1>for example, some states like Nevada, if you have a

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<v Speaker 1>driver's license and you're newly registered, now we have automatic

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<v Speaker 1>voter registration with driver's licenses, a lot of times those

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<v Speaker 1>kids get registered as independents. That doesn't necessarily mean that

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<v Speaker 1>they're independent. It just means they don't have a partisan

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<v Speaker 1>affiliation yet and maybe never well, so I would say

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<v Speaker 1>it's too early to know anything. But one of the

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<v Speaker 1>trends that we're seeing reported by NBC Newses Decision Desk

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<v Speaker 1>is this that they analyzed this state voter data as

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<v Speaker 1>of October thirtieth, and there are signs of an influx

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<v Speaker 1>of new female Democratic voters in Pennsylvania. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>the part that's not as good new male Republican voters

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<v Speaker 1>in Arizona. So these are voters who did not show

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<v Speaker 1>up in twenty twenty, so they would not have been

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<v Speaker 1>polled for right, because this is shifting electorate. Remember they're

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<v Speaker 1>basing their turnout model these posters on previous general elections,

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<v Speaker 1>not midterms, previous presidential elections. So a lot of times

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty twenty electorate is what pollsters are using for

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<v Speaker 1>this election, and these new voters would not necessarily have

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<v Speaker 1>been pulled, so that may change the way the results

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<v Speaker 1>turn out. And they so, and we don't know about before,

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll see what happens. This could be a very

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<v Speaker 1>good sign for Democrats because Harris has to win Pennsylvania,

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<v Speaker 1>but it could also be a good sign for Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>because Trump needs to win Arizona. Now that said Harris,

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<v Speaker 1>as long as she wins Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, she can

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<v Speaker 1>lose either Arizona or Nevada. I think so. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think she has to win all the sun both states,

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<v Speaker 1>but anyway, so we'll see what happens. But again we'll

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<v Speaker 1>know soon.

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<v Speaker 2>There is another horrible, horrible story in the aftermath of

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump helping set up to have ro fall. What

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<v Speaker 2>are you seeing in this horrible story that I wish

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<v Speaker 2>I could forget?

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<v Speaker 1>So? Pro Publica has been doing really great reporting on

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<v Speaker 1>these women who have died in Texas because of the

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<v Speaker 1>abortion ban. Remember the Texas abortion ban was enacted a

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<v Speaker 1>year before the fall of row SB eight. State Bill

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<v Speaker 1>eight was put into action in twenty twenty one because

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<v Speaker 1>the Republicans in the state legislature were so hot to

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<v Speaker 1>get it in there. And remember, it actually went to

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<v Speaker 1>the Supreme Court on the shadow docket and they let

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<v Speaker 1>it stand. So there's just a lot more horror stories

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<v Speaker 1>coming out of Texas because they've had a much longer

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<v Speaker 1>abortion ban than other places. So this is another story

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<v Speaker 1>of a woman. She's eighteen years old, pregnant, miscarrying, and

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<v Speaker 1>she ends up dying of sepsis because she can't get

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<v Speaker 1>treated and they finally admit her, and they wouldn't treat

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<v Speaker 1>her because they thought that baby was still alive and

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't want to go to jail, and it's just

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<v Speaker 1>really dark. There's a really important point in this, which

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<v Speaker 1>is if you're a woman in a state with a

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<v Speaker 1>band like this, you end up getting bopped around from

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<v Speaker 1>different hospitals and people don't want to treat you and

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<v Speaker 1>you really don't get the care that you need, and

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<v Speaker 1>now we're seeing women die from it.

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<v Speaker 2>So Maali, one of the things we come to realize

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<v Speaker 2>is a lot of the young voters in the selection

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<v Speaker 2>were ten or eleven years old when the Access Hollywood

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<v Speaker 2>tape first hit. So they were not aware that mister

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<v Speaker 2>Trump talked of women in such a way of grabbing

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<v Speaker 2>them by the pussy. But now TikTok is making them

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<v Speaker 2>aware of this. What are you seeing here?

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<v Speaker 1>I hate this story because it's like how anyone could

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<v Speaker 1>forget this is just beyond me. But basically, Republicans, young people,

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<v Speaker 1>you know it was eight years ago. The guy's been

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<v Speaker 1>running for president for almost a decade. Now TikTok is

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<v Speaker 1>resurfacing this video and the audio of Trump musing about

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<v Speaker 1>if you're a star, they let you do it, you

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<v Speaker 1>can do anything. We all know this sort of really

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<v Speaker 1>dark and grim monologue about sexually assaulting women.

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<v Speaker 2>What are you talking about? It's just locker room talk, And.

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<v Speaker 1>Now younger people know about it too because of TikTok.

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<v Speaker 1>Congratulations to the Chinese government for allowing it to air.

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<v Speaker 1>Tim Wallas is the governor of Minnesota and the vice

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<v Speaker 1>presidential nominee Molly How are you, hi, Governor?

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<v Speaker 5>I'm standing tall, steel, tons of energy, went out running

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<v Speaker 5>in Detroit this morning already and ready to bring this

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<v Speaker 5>thing home.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think about what Donald Trump said about

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<v Speaker 1>Liz Cheney yesterday?

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<v Speaker 5>Look, it's horrific. Not surprising. He's done this, whether it's

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<v Speaker 5>subtly or backhandedly, his whole time chaos division, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>violent rhetoric. We saw it, of course, what he did

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<v Speaker 5>to our fellow citizens in in Puerto Rico over the

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<v Speaker 5>over the weekend. But look, more than anything, I think,

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<v Speaker 5>and I hope voters hear this. We don't have to

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<v Speaker 5>live this way we have And you saw it on

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<v Speaker 5>the National Mall with Kamala Harris. How a president talks,

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<v Speaker 5>how a president talks about unifying us, How a president

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<v Speaker 5>lays out plans to do list of things for the

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<v Speaker 5>American public. How the grace and the dignity and the

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<v Speaker 5>you know, the inclusiveness of that. So I think when

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<v Speaker 5>Donald Trump says this, I think take him seriously, and

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<v Speaker 5>I feel, you know, I feel the pain that comes

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<v Speaker 5>with for Liz Cheney because this is dangerous rhetoric. But

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<v Speaker 5>it also inspires us that the alternative is so much brighter,

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<v Speaker 5>the alternative is so much more hopeful, And those who

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<v Speaker 5>are just tired of this drama, just tired of seeing

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<v Speaker 5>him on TV and doing these kind of things, the

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<v Speaker 5>antidote lies right in front of us. In the next

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<v Speaker 5>one hundred hours or so, to get out the vote.

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<v Speaker 5>And let's just put an end this.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew you when what's it like? You know, you

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<v Speaker 1>are the governor of a big state, but now you

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<v Speaker 1>are a phenomenon. What is it? Is it very different?

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<v Speaker 1>What's it like?

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<v Speaker 5>No, it's a privilege. And what it's done, Molly, is

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<v Speaker 5>it just reinforced to me what I already knew. We

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<v Speaker 5>have so much more in common. The Vice President says that.

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<v Speaker 5>But I'm telling you, I've had the privilege of traveling

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<v Speaker 5>to every corner of the country to get out with folks,

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<v Speaker 5>to listen to them, to hear their hopes and dreams,

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<v Speaker 5>to hear their frustrations. And this campaign is just in

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<v Speaker 5>every corner. Our ground game is so good, the volunteers

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<v Speaker 5>who are working on at the enthusiasm and the thing

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<v Speaker 5>that I said, we talk about when we see our supporters,

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<v Speaker 5>it is a sense of joy, It is a sense

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<v Speaker 5>of hopefulness. And I feel like I'm the same guy.

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<v Speaker 5>I got a few more miles on me, I know

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<v Speaker 5>a few more people. But I think what I always

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<v Speaker 5>believed is is that people just want the goodness of

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<v Speaker 5>this country. And I'm really pleased about this that I

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<v Speaker 5>won't lie The teachers have been showing up in pretty

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<v Speaker 5>big numbers because they said, you know, it's only taking

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<v Speaker 5>us two hundred and fifty years to get a public

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<v Speaker 5>school teacher on a ticket, so they've been excited. But

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<v Speaker 5>it's a lot of just regular folks that look, this

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<v Speaker 5>can be this way. You got two middle class kids,

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<v Speaker 5>one from Oakland, one from real Nebraska trying to take

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<v Speaker 5>a positive message. So thanks for asking. It's been great.

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<v Speaker 5>I think I'm the same guy, but I'm even more

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<v Speaker 5>optimistic than I was before.

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<v Speaker 1>How are the kids as distressful being on the trail?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, what is that like?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, you are kind to ask. No, they are fantastic,

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<v Speaker 5>and I appreciate justin the one thing I said was

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<v Speaker 5>is especially like with Gus, this country's just wrapped their

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<v Speaker 5>arms around Gus. I see people that they're like, I'm

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<v Speaker 5>voting for Gus's dad, and you know, I still see

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<v Speaker 5>them say that. And Hope has been a morale captain

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<v Speaker 5>is what she calls. She took her to leave of

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<v Speaker 5>absence to come with me. She's out on the trail.

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<v Speaker 5>She keeps me grounded. I think you know she's connected

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<v Speaker 5>with the twenty somethings, the gen Z. She's been along

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<v Speaker 5>with this team. You know, these campaigns are run by

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<v Speaker 5>youth because they have the ability to stay up all

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<v Speaker 5>night and sleep on the floor. But my kids have

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<v Speaker 5>been great. Gus is living a senior in high school's lives.

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<v Speaker 5>He's playing varsity volleyball, trying to get through another algebra

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<v Speaker 5>cloud and that kind of thing. But they've been great.

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<v Speaker 5>But the American public has just been so great on

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<v Speaker 5>how they embrace them. And of course Gwen is a

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<v Speaker 5>phenomenon in herself out there just going everywhere across the country.

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<v Speaker 5>I think she's really connecting.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you scared? Does it feel scary? I mean there's

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<v Speaker 1>like a part of this country that is really wants

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<v Speaker 1>this other vision. Is it scary? No?

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<v Speaker 5>And I said, for us, is that we know what

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<v Speaker 5>our vision is. We know what the positive piece of

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<v Speaker 5>this is. We feel confident in this and it's a

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<v Speaker 5>privilege to be a part of this. Look, it's always

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<v Speaker 5>going to be difficult, those who fought to protect this democracy,

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<v Speaker 5>those who fought to form it. We're at a critical

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<v Speaker 5>stage and I tell people the anxiety and I would

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<v Speaker 5>encourage people of these next four days that the surest

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<v Speaker 5>care for this anxiety is to go into action, even

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<v Speaker 5>if it's right, you know, knocking on a door, making

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<v Speaker 5>a few phone calls, if you can drive people to

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<v Speaker 5>the polls, if you're there to do anything, that's action.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think for me and my family, we have

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<v Speaker 5>been in constant motion. You know, since early August on

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<v Speaker 5>this we have been able to do things. And I

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<v Speaker 5>have been in front of the American public that just

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<v Speaker 5>inspires me. You know, we were in Asheville a couple

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<v Speaker 5>of nights ago. We've been down there right before Helene,

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<v Speaker 5>and you know, we waited and the community said, no,

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<v Speaker 5>come back. They packed the Orange Peel, a music venue.

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<v Speaker 5>We had bands playing. We had that community turn out

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<v Speaker 5>in huge numbers. A resiliency of Asheville is just the

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<v Speaker 5>embodiment of what this country is. And Donald Trump wants

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<v Speaker 5>to tell us his country broken. Donald Trump said, it's

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<v Speaker 5>the garbage can of America. Donald Trump said, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>we have to have him to make things great. Ashville

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<v Speaker 5>doesn't need Donald Trump to make them great. They're great

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<v Speaker 5>right now. What they need is federal government and others

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<v Speaker 5>to continue to provide the resources necessary things that Donald

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<v Speaker 5>Trump never did cut the funding, threatened to not give

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<v Speaker 5>Blue States Resources. Kamala Harris has reinspired people that are

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<v Speaker 5>our politics can be good, hopeful, joyful and effective. And

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<v Speaker 5>that for me, that keeps me going. So anybody out

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<v Speaker 5>there's got any anxiety, just go down sign up for

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<v Speaker 5>a Shifted calling. It'll reinspire you.

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<v Speaker 1>Pennsylvania is the most stay and they have more volunteers.

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<v Speaker 1>In Pennsylvania they have I think six volunteers for every

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<v Speaker 1>door that needs to be knocked.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's awesome folks that are out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you feel like there's grounds well when you talk

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<v Speaker 1>to people?

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<v Speaker 5>I mean yeah, yesterday morning I was in Bucks County

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<v Speaker 5>and stopped by Temple at de Vali with you know,

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<v Speaker 5>some of our South Asian are Hindu American folks. Huge excitement,

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<v Speaker 5>huge optimism, you know. I think it's the timing of

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<v Speaker 5>that was right, that's the victory of lightness over darkness,

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<v Speaker 5>of knowledge over ignorance. And they were there together. So

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<v Speaker 5>I feel it out there Bucks Counties, you know, kind

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<v Speaker 5>of ground zero. We all know about it. I'm just

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<v Speaker 5>seeing the volunteers and it's the attitude of the volunteers.

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<v Speaker 5>You can't fake this stuff. I've been doing this long

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<v Speaker 5>enough that do you do rallies and things like that. Look,

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<v Speaker 5>rallies don't necessarily win the election, but rallies are a

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<v Speaker 5>place where people gather as community and express their joy

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<v Speaker 5>and optimism. And these things are rocking. We're in ann Arbor, Michigan.

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<v Speaker 5>I think there's about twenty thousand people. The other night,

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<v Speaker 5>beautiful fall night. The trees are lit up, they're golden.

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<v Speaker 5>Maggie Rodgers is singing that community is out, arm in arm.

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<v Speaker 5>This is the way it should be. And the contrast

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<v Speaker 5>to that, to Madison Square Garden. Man, it couldn't have

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<v Speaker 5>been greater.

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<v Speaker 1>When you got this job, you didn't know how to

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<v Speaker 1>read a prompter. I spent a lot of time thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about reading a prompter for obvious reasons, because when I'm

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<v Speaker 1>on television, did you learn how to read the prompter?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, what did you find? You know? You were

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<v Speaker 1>like thrown into the deep end a little bit. How

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<v Speaker 1>do you do it? Well?

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<v Speaker 5>I'll tell you. It speaks volumes to this campaign. And

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<v Speaker 5>how quickly this is, you know, unprecedented, how it had

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<v Speaker 5>to stand up. I'm surrounded by the best professionals that

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<v Speaker 5>you could imagine. They had me ready, they taught me,

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<v Speaker 5>they were briefing me and they let me be me,

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<v Speaker 5>which caused them some headaches at times. I will acknowledge that,

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<v Speaker 5>but it also gave them some of what you know,

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<v Speaker 5>this joy that I think part of this is is

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<v Speaker 5>the partnership. The Vice President and I have a good partnership.

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<v Speaker 5>She's the thing I wish more people would know is

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<v Speaker 5>she is so dang funny. I gravitate towards funny people

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<v Speaker 5>because I think it speaks volumes, and she is and

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<v Speaker 5>I just keep finding things about them. But no, I

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<v Speaker 5>think this is a testament to the team. It's a

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<v Speaker 5>testament to how they stood up a campaign in the

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<v Speaker 5>shortest time in American history. I think, on the grandest

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<v Speaker 5>scale at the most critical time, and here we set

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<v Speaker 5>on the doorstep of now executing this campaign. I want

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<v Speaker 5>to make that clear to everyone. We're going to win

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<v Speaker 5>this thing. We've got the we've got everything ready, but

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<v Speaker 5>we need to get the ball across finish line. Here.

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<v Speaker 5>We got to get over the goal line. We got

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<v Speaker 5>to finish this thing, and that means the boat. So

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<v Speaker 5>I'm ready to go. I've learned a lot. I think

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<v Speaker 5>I've gotten better at that prompter, but we can all learn.

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<v Speaker 1>You have all of these kids that you have mentored

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<v Speaker 1>and Fox knew is Wroten's story yesterday about how a

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<v Speaker 1>kid was struggling with drugs and alcohol and you told

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<v Speaker 1>them to play ball, and they misrepresented the story because

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<v Speaker 1>the kid was actually saying that ball had saved his life,

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<v Speaker 1>the sport had saved his life, and you had And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wondering if you can just talk about with these

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<v Speaker 1>kids who aren't seem really committed to you.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, this has been the I think the most gratifying

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<v Speaker 5>part of this whole thing. These kids were very organic

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<v Speaker 5>and came out. I know Dan who you're talking about,

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<v Speaker 5>and I had lost touch with him, and he just reignited.

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<v Speaker 5>This was before I was in on this. For whatever reason.

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<v Speaker 5>Earlier in the year we reconnected and he told me

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<v Speaker 5>for the first time. He came and got a meeting

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<v Speaker 5>with me and said in there and he said, well,

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<v Speaker 5>I just need to tell you this. I think you

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<v Speaker 5>saved my life. When he came here. He was going

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<v Speaker 5>to drop out of school and I brought him back.

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<v Speaker 5>It wasn't about the ball, it was about not leaving school.

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<v Speaker 5>It was about coming back. He turned out to be

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<v Speaker 5>a fantastic football player. But that's not why I brought

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<v Speaker 5>him back. I brought him back for him. He needed

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<v Speaker 5>to be around those positive influences of other kids. He

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<v Speaker 5>needed to not leave school. And he's successful now, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>he's dealt with all of us deal doing these things.

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<v Speaker 5>And I just, I mean, I did not see this story,

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<v Speaker 5>but I don't understand why Box News. You know, they're

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<v Speaker 5>always rooting for failure. This is a good story that

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<v Speaker 5>transcends politics. Just a really good story that the kid

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<v Speaker 5>was there, and I'm just glad there. And that's what

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<v Speaker 5>we do. Someone told me, you know, the mister Rogers thing.

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<v Speaker 5>We always try and find the helpers, and I hope

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<v Speaker 5>my job was to be a helper and so excited

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<v Speaker 5>about that piece of it.

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<v Speaker 1>And these kids did campaign for you and helped you

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<v Speaker 1>run when you ran for com gross right.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, some of them did. This kid. I think they're

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<v Speaker 5>probably douking about didn't see the story, but it sounds

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<v Speaker 5>like the one probably did. Some of them did. They

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<v Speaker 5>helped me run the first time they came back. These

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<v Speaker 5>were talented people. My first campaign was four young women,

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<v Speaker 5>reaching college graduates who were from man Cato. They knew

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<v Speaker 5>more about politics than I did. By far. They understood

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<v Speaker 5>others work. They had worked on campaigns I had, and

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<v Speaker 5>they just came back and help. They wanted to make

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<v Speaker 5>a difference.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, thank you, Thank you, Governor.

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<v Speaker 5>You're the best, Molly, thanks for having me. Let's win

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<v Speaker 5>this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, yes, good luck. Are you concerned about Project

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<v Speaker 1>would or could do to this country, so please watch

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<v Speaker 1>it and spread the word. Timothy Schnyder is a Richard S.

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<v Speaker 1>Levigne Professor of History at Yale University and the author

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<v Speaker 1>of On Freedom welcome back, Timothy Schneider. I think of

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<v Speaker 1>you as like something happened and I knew there was

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<v Speaker 1>only one person that I could talk to who would

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<v Speaker 1>know exactly how to explain it. And you, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>you've been in such demands since then. And I'm talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the Washington Post obeying in advance.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, will you answer the question by asking it? I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>obeying advance is the concept we need. It's that term

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<v Speaker 6>which I put in on Tyranneus Chapter one comes from German.

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<v Speaker 6>Comes from German for a reason, right, it's for AlSi ossam.

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<v Speaker 6>It means running in German. It literally means like running

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<v Speaker 6>in advance in order to be obedient. The reason why

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<v Speaker 6>it's important is that it's a lesson that the Germans

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<v Speaker 6>of the Austrians learned looking backward, which was, if we

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<v Speaker 6>hadn't conceded in advance, Hitler would not have come to

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<v Speaker 6>power in the first place. If we hadn't given our

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<v Speaker 6>power away before we had to, we would have never

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<v Speaker 6>ended up where we ended up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I want you to like explain to us how

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<v Speaker 1>you got here. Because you're a historian. You've come to

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<v Speaker 1>this moment in American life through the past, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>hoping you could just give us a minute or two

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<v Speaker 1>on that.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 6>I come to this American moment as a historian, which

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<v Speaker 6>means that I know that lots of bad things are possible,

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<v Speaker 6>and also lots of good.

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<v Speaker 5>Things are possible.

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<v Speaker 6>I know that every moment is pregnant with all kinds

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<v Speaker 6>of things, imagined and unimagined, and some of them are

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<v Speaker 6>very bad and some are very good. In any moment

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<v Speaker 6>in history, there are things that are possible that people

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<v Speaker 6>don't realize. And so that's like, that's any history. And

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<v Speaker 6>can say that I come to the US as not

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<v Speaker 6>an americanist. I come to the US as somebody who

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<v Speaker 6>spends a lot of mental and physical time in Ukraine

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<v Speaker 6>and other parts of Eastern Europe. I come to somebody

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<v Speaker 6>who's thought a lot of written about, and written a

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<v Speaker 6>lot about contemporary Russia. And one of my guiding lights

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<v Speaker 6>is that Russia is not a foreign country. Russia is

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<v Speaker 6>a place where we could go if we follow the

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<v Speaker 6>same kinds of lines. And then I come to these

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<v Speaker 6>US problems from the thirties and forties, which I've written

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<v Speaker 6>about in other books, and I try to be lively

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<v Speaker 6>to the notion that the thing that you can head

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<v Speaker 6>things off, right, And I think historians ought to be

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<v Speaker 6>talking about these things, not least because we can offer

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<v Speaker 6>we can offer things, but also because it's not like

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<v Speaker 6>everybody else is doing such a great job.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I mean, the thing that I'm struck by is

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<v Speaker 1>we're in this moment right where we don't know what's

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<v Speaker 1>going to happen in five days. But the scariest scenario

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<v Speaker 1>to me is Russia, because there was a moment when

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<v Speaker 1>Russia was pregnant with possibility. I mean, what didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>the long history that America did, but it could have

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<v Speaker 1>been something other than what it became.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and it became It became a fake democracy surrounded

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<v Speaker 6>where the president was surrounded by oligarchs who eventually took over,

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<v Speaker 6>and then there was a weeding out of oligarchs and

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<v Speaker 6>you end up with Putin. It became a ritualized system

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<v Speaker 6>where everybody goes to the ballot box even though they

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<v Speaker 6>know it doesn't make a difference. It came a place

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<v Speaker 6>where there's only really one source of media. And you know,

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<v Speaker 6>since that happened to Russia, we have basically moved in

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<v Speaker 6>that direction on all of those fronts and That's why,

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<v Speaker 6>like I think, Russia is not our opposite. Russia is

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<v Speaker 6>this thing that we might become.

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<v Speaker 5>I agree with you.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things that I'm always truck by with

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<v Speaker 1>Trump is that he just says what he wants to do.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, from the Greeks forward, the argument has been

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<v Speaker 6>put forth correctly that oligarchs in one country are going

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<v Speaker 6>to have more in common with ali garks in other

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<v Speaker 6>countries than they are going to have in common with

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<v Speaker 6>their people. Trump and Musk are both obvious about this,

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<v Speaker 6>like they and Putin are in some kind of you know,

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<v Speaker 6>they're in some kind of boy scout troop where they

0:23:58.880 --> 0:24:01.960
<v Speaker 6>climb up their own private and they have conversations which

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<v Speaker 6>are about their own private fantasies. The thing is that

0:24:04.160 --> 0:24:07.960
<v Speaker 6>their own private fantasies involve things like invading countries, destroying

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<v Speaker 6>our minds social media, and creating an oligarchy. And naturally,

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<v Speaker 6>though Trump is going to care more about what they

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<v Speaker 6>think than he cares about what the rest of us think.

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<v Speaker 6>And you're right, we just have to listen to him

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<v Speaker 6>say it.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems really clear to me that they've managed to

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<v Speaker 1>get their supporters to embrace a lot of the anti

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<v Speaker 1>democratic things that might have been harder to sell in

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<v Speaker 1>previous generations.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it really helps that you brought Russian to the conversation,

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<v Speaker 6>because what one thing Russia has done, which Vance and

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<v Speaker 6>Trump are working on, is making people believe the government

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<v Speaker 6>can't do anything. So fins believe, of course government can't

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<v Speaker 6>do anything for you. Of course government is just there

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<v Speaker 6>for the olive arcs, and we're just two or three

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<v Speaker 6>steps away from that with Vance and Trump, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>basically telling us that, especially Vance and government is totally impotent.

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<v Speaker 6>It can't really do anything. And once you accept that,

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<v Speaker 6>it's not like politics goes away. Altics just becomes purely horizontal.

0:25:02.680 --> 0:25:05.080
<v Speaker 6>It's just a matter of us and them. And then

0:25:05.119 --> 0:25:06.520
<v Speaker 6>you get used to the idea that you're going to

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<v Speaker 6>be rallied against use Trump's term the enemy, the enemy

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<v Speaker 6>with it. So that's where it goes, right, And the

0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:16.080
<v Speaker 6>whole time, you think you're your own agent, you think

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<v Speaker 6>you're being free, whereas in fact you're just being piloted

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<v Speaker 6>along in this process.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and sort of when Putin came on the scene,

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<v Speaker 1>he basically picked the winners and losers in the economy.

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<v Speaker 1>He made billionaires, and he bankrupted the federal government. Ultimately,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't a federal you know, the state government. That

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<v Speaker 1>is I think the fantasy of Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and this is I'm coming out to Filler angle.

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<v Speaker 6>This is one of the big things which I think

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<v Speaker 6>no one is talking about because folks on the left

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<v Speaker 6>don't want to talk about business, and folks don't quite

0:25:46.680 --> 0:25:50.040
<v Speaker 6>grab this. But Putin was horrible for Russian business. He

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<v Speaker 6>was moable for the Russian economy. Small and medium sized

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<v Speaker 6>businesses can't make it in an extra legal, oligarchical type situation.

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<v Speaker 6>It's only going to be, as you say, the winners

0:25:59.800 --> 0:26:02.040
<v Speaker 6>that are picked. So, you know, unless your cousin is

0:26:02.119 --> 0:26:04.960
<v Speaker 6>Jared Kushner, you're going to have hard time in a

0:26:04.960 --> 0:26:08.200
<v Speaker 6>Trump economy because they're going to fire everybody who normally

0:26:08.240 --> 0:26:10.399
<v Speaker 6>gives you the permits. You're going to be dealing with

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<v Speaker 6>forty thousand civil servants who were loyalists and have been

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<v Speaker 6>instructed only to help certain people, and things are going

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<v Speaker 6>to stop working and so and this is something like

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<v Speaker 6>those all those Republican admirers of Orbon and all those

0:26:21.880 --> 0:26:24.840
<v Speaker 6>public admirers of Putin should remember those are poor countries,

0:26:24.920 --> 0:26:27.920
<v Speaker 6>and they are poor countries. They're poor countries that should

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<v Speaker 6>be rich countries, but they're poor because of the leadership structure,

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<v Speaker 6>and that shouldn't be out of leadership structure.

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<v Speaker 5>You want.

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<v Speaker 1>I think so much about Project twenty twenty five, and

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<v Speaker 1>in it is this idea that the president will control

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<v Speaker 1>the FED.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I mean that's one of that's one of the

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<v Speaker 6>top five ways that Project twenty twenty five would.

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<v Speaker 5>Destroy the American equiomy.

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<v Speaker 6>But it touches on that the checks and balances right,

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<v Speaker 6>of which we have ever fewer, but one of them

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<v Speaker 6>is that the FED is pretty much still independent. If

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<v Speaker 6>you make the FED just like a gas pedal that

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<v Speaker 6>the president can push on, that'll be convenient for him,

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<v Speaker 6>but it'll be a nightmare for everybody else.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a quick way to make the country in oligarchy, right,

0:27:10.440 --> 0:27:13.200
<v Speaker 1>because if he says lower interest rates because I have

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<v Speaker 1>an election coming, I mean, it is the quickest way

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<v Speaker 1>to a banana republic.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, it's in a race with others because because

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<v Speaker 6>if you also say I'm going to love to go

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<v Speaker 6>after my political opponents, or I'm not going to use

0:27:28.119 --> 0:27:30.919
<v Speaker 6>the irs to go after billionaires, or we're not going

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<v Speaker 6>to enforce laws on banks, right, it's going to be

0:27:33.280 --> 0:27:35.440
<v Speaker 6>a race, because, as we saw in two thousand and eight,

0:27:35.640 --> 0:27:37.800
<v Speaker 6>there can be a banking crisis. We're very close to

0:27:37.840 --> 0:27:40.719
<v Speaker 6>that time. Because the regulation is so flimsy. The stock

0:27:40.760 --> 0:27:44.000
<v Speaker 6>market itself can lose credibility if too many favorites are played,

0:27:44.119 --> 0:27:47.040
<v Speaker 6>Foreign investors can can go away. So there are a

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<v Speaker 6>whole bunch of ways that twenty twenty five is actually

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<v Speaker 6>inconsistent with the kind of market economy that we're used to,

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<v Speaker 6>and is consistent with like what you say, a banana

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<v Speaker 6>republic market economy where the few winners are our cousins

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<v Speaker 6>and buddies and basically everybody else is losing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny because it's like, we're having this conversation just

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<v Speaker 1>a few days from the twenty twenty four election. You know,

0:28:07.800 --> 0:28:09.640
<v Speaker 1>we don't know what's going to happen, but it certainly

0:28:09.840 --> 0:28:13.119
<v Speaker 1>feels right now, and since this entire election cycle is

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<v Speaker 1>based on vibes, it certainly feels like women are going

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<v Speaker 1>to come out and hopefully save us all from the

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<v Speaker 1>end of American democracy this cycle. And again, we don't know,

0:28:23.640 --> 0:28:26.880
<v Speaker 1>we may not, we may all be you know, head

0:28:26.880 --> 0:28:30.239
<v Speaker 1>in hands in a week, but you can't have a

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<v Speaker 1>two party system when one party no longer believes in

0:28:33.800 --> 0:28:34.800
<v Speaker 1>democratic norms.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm trying to get the women part into that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think women voters that the thought is

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<v Speaker 1>that there's such a gender discrepancy already. You know, it's

0:28:46.280 --> 0:28:49.959
<v Speaker 1>ten points that it seems likely that women voters are

0:28:50.000 --> 0:28:51.320
<v Speaker 1>secretly voting for Harris.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, I mean the thing you can't have is a

0:28:54.920 --> 0:28:58.760
<v Speaker 6>party which thinks that voting is a ritual and it's

0:28:58.960 --> 0:29:01.040
<v Speaker 6>or it's really limited to cert kinds of people, which

0:29:01.080 --> 0:29:04.280
<v Speaker 6>is where their party is headed. Right Like, I'm from Ohio.

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<v Speaker 5>I was just in Ohio.

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<v Speaker 6>They've gerrymandered the hell out of the state so it's

0:29:07.920 --> 0:29:09.920
<v Speaker 6>basically a one party state. And now they're trying to

0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:12.800
<v Speaker 6>have a cons social referendum to undoer to undo the

0:29:12.920 --> 0:29:15.800
<v Speaker 6>jerry vandering, which is being dealt with in all kinds

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<v Speaker 6>of like fantastically ORWELLI in ways that I wish the

0:29:18.840 --> 0:29:21.440
<v Speaker 6>oppressould write more about. You can get to a one

0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:23.880
<v Speaker 6>party state this way, right like, step by step by

0:29:23.880 --> 0:29:26.840
<v Speaker 6>step by step, because one party it never says like,

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<v Speaker 6>oh we're against democracy or against voting. You just kind

0:29:29.080 --> 0:29:31.640
<v Speaker 6>of chop chop, chop chop, chop. It's a shame we

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<v Speaker 6>only have two parties. So that puts a Democrat in

0:29:33.560 --> 0:29:36.880
<v Speaker 6>this really uncomfortable position that they have to simultaneously say, hey,

0:29:36.880 --> 0:29:39.320
<v Speaker 6>we're the future, but also hey we're the ones protecting

0:29:39.320 --> 0:29:42.160
<v Speaker 6>the system. That's uncomfortable. They've got to do both, whereas

0:29:42.160 --> 0:29:44.520
<v Speaker 6>the Republicans can be like, hey, there's no future, and

0:29:44.560 --> 0:29:46.120
<v Speaker 6>by the way, we're wrecking the system.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, I mean eventually what happens. Like the thing

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<v Speaker 1>that makes me feel a little opt you got me

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<v Speaker 1>on an optimistic day, is so my sense is that

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<v Speaker 1>Nikki Haley is trying to keep her powder drive for

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<v Speaker 1>a race in twenty eight I could see a world

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<v Speaker 1>where the party loses and Republicans decide that Nikki Haley

0:30:08.320 --> 0:30:10.960
<v Speaker 1>could theoretically be the heir apparent. I have a lot

0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:15.040
<v Speaker 1>of trouble imagining Nicki Haley ending American democracy, though, you know,

0:30:15.280 --> 0:30:18.280
<v Speaker 1>in four years, who knows. But there is a world

0:30:18.560 --> 0:30:20.680
<v Speaker 1>or is there a world? This is a question, And

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<v Speaker 1>is there a historical precedent for this where things just

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<v Speaker 1>sort of go back to sort of more normal, less

0:30:27.200 --> 0:30:28.520
<v Speaker 1>precarious democracy.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I want to say that.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, I agree with you that there are a

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<v Speaker 6>lot of good things at work, and they're like, even

0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:36.040
<v Speaker 6>though we're early a couple days away, there's still a

0:30:36.080 --> 0:30:38.320
<v Speaker 6>lot of good things that people can do. And if

0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:40.320
<v Speaker 6>people want to feel anxious, they should just go out

0:30:40.360 --> 0:30:42.320
<v Speaker 6>and do those good things, because those things not only

0:30:42.320 --> 0:30:45.479
<v Speaker 6>make a difference, but they make you feel a lot better.

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<v Speaker 6>In terms of coming back, I mean, it would help

0:30:48.520 --> 0:30:51.080
<v Speaker 6>if he got thumped, because the thing is that, I mean,

0:30:51.320 --> 0:30:53.480
<v Speaker 6>what happens he's going to claim. You want, if Kamalis

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<v Speaker 6>wins by twenty million votes, he's still going to say

0:30:56.320 --> 0:30:56.920
<v Speaker 6>that he won.

0:30:57.080 --> 0:30:57.840
<v Speaker 7>We can we can.

0:30:57.800 --> 0:30:58.640
<v Speaker 5>Factor that in.

0:30:58.960 --> 0:31:00.960
<v Speaker 6>There's almost certainly gonna be some kind of violence around

0:31:01.000 --> 0:31:03.120
<v Speaker 6>election day, we can factor that in. You know, some

0:31:03.200 --> 0:31:06.320
<v Speaker 6>crimes are predictable. But in terms of coming back, it's

0:31:06.440 --> 0:31:08.440
<v Speaker 6>kind of important that it would be better if he

0:31:08.560 --> 0:31:11.120
<v Speaker 6>lost in a clear way. It doesn't losing the clear way,

0:31:11.120 --> 0:31:12.440
<v Speaker 6>there's going to be all there's going to be a

0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:14.680
<v Speaker 6>mess between now in January and then a mess in

0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:16.920
<v Speaker 6>the Republican Party indefinitely.

0:31:17.120 --> 0:31:18.760
<v Speaker 5>But yes, you come back.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean Germany came back in a very in a

0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:25.040
<v Speaker 6>very impressive way. Japan came back in both of those cases,

0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:27.920
<v Speaker 6>especially in Germany, there's some kind of recognition that things

0:31:27.960 --> 0:31:30.959
<v Speaker 6>went wrong. And that's where I'm not sure Americans are

0:31:31.000 --> 0:31:33.800
<v Speaker 6>so good is it recognizing prior mistakes?

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<v Speaker 1>Say more about that, because the German personality is so different,

0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:44.520
<v Speaker 1>I think, or the cultural personality a foray into autocracy

0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:47.840
<v Speaker 1>is not the same as death cams. You know, part

0:31:47.880 --> 0:31:50.080
<v Speaker 1>of how they came back was that things had just

0:31:50.160 --> 0:31:52.720
<v Speaker 1>been so they just got beaten.

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<v Speaker 6>Right, Yeah, And that's that's one of the reasons why

0:31:55.160 --> 0:31:57.120
<v Speaker 6>you want to stop this process before it goes too far.

0:31:57.240 --> 0:31:59.960
<v Speaker 6>Because fascism by nature can only be can only be

0:32:00.160 --> 0:32:02.560
<v Speaker 6>defeated by some kind of higher force, Like it defines

0:32:02.560 --> 0:32:04.400
<v Speaker 6>itself as will and force, and so it has to

0:32:04.480 --> 0:32:06.440
<v Speaker 6>run into something. So you want to get to you

0:32:06.480 --> 0:32:07.920
<v Speaker 6>want to stop it before you get to the point

0:32:07.920 --> 0:32:09.880
<v Speaker 6>where you have to be that thing that it runs into,

0:32:09.960 --> 0:32:11.040
<v Speaker 6>because that's terrible.

0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:12.320
<v Speaker 5>That's a terrible solution.

0:32:13.840 --> 0:32:15.800
<v Speaker 6>But what I meant was more like a lot of

0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:19.200
<v Speaker 6>folks are committed to views in our country which are

0:32:19.200 --> 0:32:22.560
<v Speaker 6>not true, like the system doesn't work, or that Trump

0:32:22.640 --> 0:32:26.200
<v Speaker 6>one in twenty twenty. It's hard to do reconciliation without truth,

0:32:26.520 --> 0:32:28.920
<v Speaker 6>and so I think it's going to be you know,

0:32:28.960 --> 0:32:32.440
<v Speaker 6>it kind of requires eight or twelve good years, I

0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:35.240
<v Speaker 6>think for people to ask all of this if he

0:32:35.240 --> 0:32:36.440
<v Speaker 6>doesn't lose decisively.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I watched that Price presidential debate, the JD. Van's

0:32:40.920 --> 0:32:44.480
<v Speaker 1>debate in horror because I thought there is a person

0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:48.320
<v Speaker 1>who sells trump Ism in a way where you don't

0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:49.640
<v Speaker 1>totally know it's Trump.

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<v Speaker 4>Is.

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<v Speaker 1>Part of what has saved us is that Donald Trump

0:32:55.200 --> 0:33:01.160
<v Speaker 1>has been so profoundly you know, just can't stop blurting

0:33:01.200 --> 0:33:03.840
<v Speaker 1>out the stuff he wants to do. Right. He's not

0:33:04.440 --> 0:33:07.880
<v Speaker 1>dishonest enough to be able to make it sound like

0:33:07.920 --> 0:33:11.360
<v Speaker 1>it's just you know, normal day in America. And I

0:33:11.400 --> 0:33:15.320
<v Speaker 1>think that has actually ultimately hurt him, at least with

0:33:15.400 --> 0:33:16.320
<v Speaker 1>the mainstream media.

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<v Speaker 6>It may have hurt him with the middle but it

0:33:18.320 --> 0:33:21.200
<v Speaker 6>helps him on the fringes. I mean, in twenty sixteen anyway,

0:33:21.200 --> 0:33:22.920
<v Speaker 6>there are a lot of people who never voted before

0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:26.720
<v Speaker 6>who voted because a Trump was saying those things, And

0:33:26.720 --> 0:33:28.720
<v Speaker 6>so I think it probably cuts both ways. With Vants,

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<v Speaker 6>I would agree in a general way, I think people

0:33:30.440 --> 0:33:34.840
<v Speaker 6>generally underestimate Advance. I think Vance is directly hooked into

0:33:34.920 --> 0:33:37.080
<v Speaker 6>the techno fascist world in a way that.

0:33:37.360 --> 0:33:38.360
<v Speaker 5>Is not Trump.

0:33:38.800 --> 0:33:41.280
<v Speaker 6>Vance is going to live for a while. Trump is not,

0:33:41.840 --> 0:33:44.280
<v Speaker 6>and I think the people who are betting on a

0:33:44.360 --> 0:33:47.720
<v Speaker 6>kind of techno fascist future, they're behind Vance rather than

0:33:47.720 --> 0:33:49.880
<v Speaker 6>behind Trump. Trump is just kind of means to an

0:33:49.960 --> 0:33:51.200
<v Speaker 6>end as far as they're concerned.

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<v Speaker 1>I think of Elon Muss is so much like Henry Ford.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there some kind of precedent for this.

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<v Speaker 6>It's broadly the case that new communications technology cheese break

0:34:01.120 --> 0:34:04.400
<v Speaker 6>up prior social orders and open up opportunities. Right, So

0:34:04.520 --> 0:34:06.719
<v Speaker 6>there were a lot of crazy people around the printing

0:34:06.800 --> 0:34:11.360
<v Speaker 6>press as well, although now we love books and radio

0:34:11.520 --> 0:34:16.040
<v Speaker 6>and amplification gave opportunities to fascists which hadn't hear before.

0:34:16.120 --> 0:34:19.840
<v Speaker 6>So in that sense, yes, but this is more powerful

0:34:19.880 --> 0:34:22.640
<v Speaker 6>because it's harder to shut out, and it presents itself

0:34:23.120 --> 0:34:25.719
<v Speaker 6>in many different guises, and in my view, the way

0:34:25.760 --> 0:34:27.680
<v Speaker 6>that it makes you a fascist has less to do

0:34:27.760 --> 0:34:30.799
<v Speaker 6>with the content and more to do with the medium itself.

0:34:31.000 --> 0:34:33.000
<v Speaker 6>The way that social media works in us, this kind

0:34:33.000 --> 0:34:35.960
<v Speaker 6>of call and response and the fear and approval. I

0:34:35.960 --> 0:34:38.520
<v Speaker 6>think it works at a kind of lower neurological level

0:34:38.840 --> 0:34:41.600
<v Speaker 6>than other stuff did, So in that sense, I think

0:34:41.600 --> 0:34:42.000
<v Speaker 6>it's new.

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<v Speaker 1>So do you think there is like the answer right,

0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:49.440
<v Speaker 1>there's clearly some amount of radicalization that is connected to

0:34:49.719 --> 0:34:53.799
<v Speaker 1>social media or to a sort of media that does

0:34:53.840 --> 0:34:56.360
<v Speaker 1>not have any kind of fact checking, right that where

0:34:56.400 --> 0:35:00.799
<v Speaker 1>things are were sort of in the truthiness era. Do

0:35:00.840 --> 0:35:03.759
<v Speaker 1>you think that's specific to the genre or do you

0:35:03.840 --> 0:35:07.239
<v Speaker 1>think that that is like, is there something to do

0:35:07.880 --> 0:35:11.000
<v Speaker 1>to stop it? Is a government regulation? Is it? I mean?

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<v Speaker 5>What is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 6>I mean in the new book and on Freedom, I

0:35:14.719 --> 0:35:16.600
<v Speaker 6>write about this a lot. It's I think, you know,

0:35:16.640 --> 0:35:19.640
<v Speaker 6>we have to a be courageous enough to admit that

0:35:19.680 --> 0:35:22.960
<v Speaker 6>we believe in truth, at least as a suit B.

0:35:23.239 --> 0:35:25.759
<v Speaker 6>We have to think of factuality as something positive that

0:35:25.800 --> 0:35:28.680
<v Speaker 6>you have to create to remember, it doesn't grow from

0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:30.680
<v Speaker 6>the ground. There's no such thing as a free market,

0:35:30.760 --> 0:35:32.799
<v Speaker 6>and this sort of thing you have to actually plan

0:35:32.880 --> 0:35:34.160
<v Speaker 6>and you have to create it. You have to have

0:35:34.160 --> 0:35:37.560
<v Speaker 6>a political infrastructure which is favorable to factuality, which means

0:35:37.560 --> 0:35:40.560
<v Speaker 6>certain kinds of scives in schools and newspapers and so on.

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<v Speaker 6>And it's okay to spend some money on that because

0:35:43.040 --> 0:35:46.560
<v Speaker 6>we can't do democracy without facts and so like, there's

0:35:46.600 --> 0:35:49.000
<v Speaker 6>all this positive stuff before you get to the thing

0:35:49.040 --> 0:35:51.839
<v Speaker 6>which you said, which is that, of course these are monopolies, right,

0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:53.839
<v Speaker 6>they should be broken up. That's what the Sherman Act

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<v Speaker 6>is for. And even conservative economists like friedrypron Hayek would

0:35:57.719 --> 0:36:00.239
<v Speaker 6>would advocate this. They have to be broken up, they

0:36:00.239 --> 0:36:02.080
<v Speaker 6>have to be regulated, and there are all kinds of

0:36:02.080 --> 0:36:04.160
<v Speaker 6>creative ways to do that. I mean, we should be

0:36:04.200 --> 0:36:06.680
<v Speaker 6>applying our intelligence to the question of how to make

0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:09.520
<v Speaker 6>social media work better for the freedom of the average

0:36:09.520 --> 0:36:12.160
<v Speaker 6>American rather than standing back and marveling out of this

0:36:12.239 --> 0:36:14.840
<v Speaker 6>high technology because it's not high technology. It's basically like

0:36:14.920 --> 0:36:17.759
<v Speaker 6>beating pans together, just an incredibly high speed.

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<v Speaker 1>So interesting. I want you to explain why it's so

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<v Speaker 1>important to fight back, you know, at the personal level,

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<v Speaker 1>but also at the corporate level, Like can you just

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<v Speaker 1>because why what Bezos did is so dangerous?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, the corporations in Nazi Germany got it wrong, that's

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<v Speaker 6>an established fact, and they ended up where they did

0:36:38.680 --> 0:36:41.120
<v Speaker 6>not want to be, some of them as criminals, but

0:36:41.200 --> 0:36:43.480
<v Speaker 6>almost all of them at Hitler's mercy. And we know

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<v Speaker 6>from the history of the decades since then that in

0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:50.000
<v Speaker 6>coup attempts and things like this, the attitude of the

0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:55.239
<v Speaker 6>corporations turns out to be very important. Approaching decisive, and

0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:58.840
<v Speaker 6>so can't say we don't have responsibility because those people,

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<v Speaker 6>in fact do we know historically have responsibility. What they

0:37:03.800 --> 0:37:07.280
<v Speaker 6>do matters as far as individuals right now, it's pretty simple.

0:37:07.560 --> 0:37:09.800
<v Speaker 6>The little things that we all are doing, like the canvassing,

0:37:09.840 --> 0:37:13.520
<v Speaker 6>the phone banking, the keyboarding, meeting with people in real life,

0:37:13.640 --> 0:37:16.680
<v Speaker 6>giving money, those things not only matter, but also they

0:37:16.680 --> 0:37:18.719
<v Speaker 6>make us feel better. Right Like, it's okay to be

0:37:18.800 --> 0:37:21.399
<v Speaker 6>afraid that Trump is going to win because bad things

0:37:21.400 --> 0:37:23.360
<v Speaker 6>will happen if he wins, but it's not really okay

0:37:23.400 --> 0:37:24.320
<v Speaker 6>to be anxious.

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<v Speaker 5>The US.

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<v Speaker 6>Anxiety is by making sure you're with somebody else and

0:37:28.200 --> 0:37:30.960
<v Speaker 6>you're actually doing something, because then you will feel better

0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:32.560
<v Speaker 6>and that'll be true no matter what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so important. Thank you, Thank you for joining us.

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<v Speaker 1>So interesting.

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<v Speaker 6>Really glad we could do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Stephen Mazie is a Supreme Court reporter at The Economist.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Fast Politics.

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<v Speaker 7>Steven, Thank you, Mollie. Great to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm hoping that you can explain to us. You cover

0:37:55.000 --> 0:37:58.439
<v Speaker 1>the Supreme Court for The Economist with very smart and

0:37:59.040 --> 0:38:02.799
<v Speaker 1>you're very even, so I want you to explain to

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<v Speaker 1>us what the Supreme Court just did. And what it means.

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<v Speaker 1>Start with Virginia, then go to Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, so what is happening in Virginia is this. There

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<v Speaker 7>was a voter purge that was instigated, that was ordered

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<v Speaker 7>by the governor exactly ninety days before the election, which

0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:24.920
<v Speaker 7>might have been symbolic because there's a federal law that

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<v Speaker 7>says within ninety days of an election there can be

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<v Speaker 7>no systematic voter purges. And the justification was that these

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<v Speaker 7>were purportedly non citizens, sixteen hundred voters who had, according

0:38:41.440 --> 0:38:44.520
<v Speaker 7>to the State of Virginia, had declared that they were

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<v Speaker 7>not citizens and therefore should not be able to vote

0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:52.040
<v Speaker 7>in this election. And of course non citizens cannot vote

0:38:52.120 --> 0:38:54.680
<v Speaker 7>in American elections. It is a crime for them to

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<v Speaker 7>do so. But there are at least a few dozen,

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<v Speaker 7>if not more, of those sixteen hundred people who, it

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<v Speaker 7>has been proven, made a mistake. They didn't check a

0:39:07.960 --> 0:39:10.480
<v Speaker 7>box saying that they were citizens, or maybe they checked

0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:12.520
<v Speaker 7>a box saying they were non citizens. One of the

0:39:12.560 --> 0:39:15.960
<v Speaker 7>people who was found to be mistakenly taken off the

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<v Speaker 7>roles by this voter purge said, you know, it sucks

0:39:19.440 --> 0:39:22.480
<v Speaker 7>getting old, but I just, you know, missed it and

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<v Speaker 7>so the argument from the Department of Justice. So what

0:39:26.239 --> 0:39:28.920
<v Speaker 7>happened after the voter purge is that the Arn't of

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<v Speaker 7>Justice stepped in and said, this is illegal under this

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<v Speaker 7>federal law from nineteen ninety three, you can't, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>systematically purge voters from the roles so close to an election.

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<v Speaker 7>And a district court agreed and said, yeah, this is

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<v Speaker 7>not okay. You can have an individualized removal of particular

0:39:50.480 --> 0:39:53.600
<v Speaker 7>non citizens if you can prove that each one is

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<v Speaker 7>a non citizen, but you can't just kind of blanket

0:39:57.080 --> 0:40:01.320
<v Speaker 7>take off all these people and potentially catch eligible voters

0:40:01.360 --> 0:40:04.680
<v Speaker 7>in that dragnet. So that's what the district court said,

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<v Speaker 7>and the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals then heard an

0:40:08.040 --> 0:40:12.839
<v Speaker 7>appeal from Youngkin. The result was the same. The state

0:40:13.000 --> 0:40:16.080
<v Speaker 7>was ordered to put all sixteen hundred voters back on

0:40:16.239 --> 0:40:18.719
<v Speaker 7>the rolls. And then there was an appeal on the

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<v Speaker 7>shadow docket, which is the emergency, quick acting lightning docket

0:40:23.000 --> 0:40:25.960
<v Speaker 7>of the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court stepped in

0:40:26.000 --> 0:40:29.480
<v Speaker 7>and said, we're going to side with Virginia here. We're

0:40:29.520 --> 0:40:33.240
<v Speaker 7>going to reinstate the voter purge for those sixteen hundred people.

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<v Speaker 7>So this happened on Tuesday of this week and when

0:40:37.719 --> 0:40:40.640
<v Speaker 7>they issued this order, When the Supreme Court issued this

0:40:40.840 --> 0:40:43.640
<v Speaker 7>order saying no, you need to keep those sixteen hundred

0:40:43.640 --> 0:40:47.440
<v Speaker 7>people off of the roles, there were three justices, notably

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<v Speaker 7>the democratically appointed.

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<v Speaker 1>Justices, right on partisan lines.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, they said they dissented from that order, which means

0:40:56.719 --> 0:40:59.360
<v Speaker 7>it was a six to three decision along partisan lines,

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<v Speaker 7>with NOx explanation of why they rejected the reasoning of

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<v Speaker 7>the poor Circuit Court of Appeals and of the District

0:41:06.280 --> 0:41:09.040
<v Speaker 7>Court that originally said you need to restore these people

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<v Speaker 7>to the voter roles. So it was we're not talking

0:41:12.239 --> 0:41:16.160
<v Speaker 7>about a huge number of voters, but it's a it's

0:41:16.200 --> 0:41:20.279
<v Speaker 7>a highly partisan question in Virginia. And to have the

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<v Speaker 7>justices divide along partisan lines without saying why, I think

0:41:23.880 --> 0:41:26.279
<v Speaker 7>I said in the tweet that you were interested in

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<v Speaker 7>that this was a little ominous to me.

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<v Speaker 1>So part of the reason that they gave also was

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<v Speaker 1>that same day voter rage in Virginia.

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<v Speaker 7>Right, Yes, So if anyone has been taken off the

0:41:39.840 --> 0:41:42.040
<v Speaker 7>roles and their citizen and they want to, you know,

0:41:42.640 --> 0:41:45.279
<v Speaker 7>go on the day to the polls and show that

0:41:45.320 --> 0:41:47.640
<v Speaker 7>they are citizens, they can do that. So there is

0:41:47.680 --> 0:41:51.520
<v Speaker 7>a sort of backstop for those who have been unjustly

0:41:51.600 --> 0:41:54.520
<v Speaker 7>taken off the roles. But you know, that's that's some work,

0:41:54.760 --> 0:41:56.600
<v Speaker 7>and you have to bring your papers, and you have

0:41:56.680 --> 0:42:00.040
<v Speaker 7>to be prepared to date officials.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's also partisan interference on the shadow docket four

0:42:04.280 --> 0:42:09.400
<v Speaker 1>days before an election, tell me about Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 7>Pennsylvania, all right, So this is sort of like that

0:42:13.280 --> 0:42:18.240
<v Speaker 7>jiff of the boyfriend looking, you know, back toward the

0:42:18.440 --> 0:42:22.160
<v Speaker 7>woman and and ignoring is his girlfriend. Pennsylvania is when

0:42:22.160 --> 0:42:24.160
<v Speaker 7>he's looking away from. But that's where we should be looking.

0:42:24.520 --> 0:42:27.360
<v Speaker 7>Because of course, this presidential election is not going to

0:42:27.360 --> 0:42:30.840
<v Speaker 7>be decided by Virginia voters. It very well could be

0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:34.800
<v Speaker 7>decided by Pennsylvania voters. There's a case at the Serbine

0:42:34.840 --> 0:42:38.279
<v Speaker 7>Court right now on the shadow docket, which we could

0:42:38.320 --> 0:42:41.080
<v Speaker 7>have the results from any minute now. I think it

0:42:41.120 --> 0:42:44.799
<v Speaker 7>will be probably today, although it could be a day

0:42:44.880 --> 0:42:47.400
<v Speaker 7>or two from now. We're getting very close to Tuesday.

0:42:47.760 --> 0:42:52.920
<v Speaker 7>So the Pennsylvania case affects potentially tens of thousands of

0:42:52.960 --> 0:42:57.800
<v Speaker 7>ballots as opposed to sixteen hundred. And the question there

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<v Speaker 7>is whether if you, as a Pennsylvania voter, mail in

0:43:02.360 --> 0:43:05.440
<v Speaker 7>your ballot but you mess up. There are a series

0:43:05.480 --> 0:43:07.520
<v Speaker 7>of envelopes that you have to put your ballot in

0:43:07.600 --> 0:43:12.760
<v Speaker 7>and sign some of them and put others inside others. Yeah,

0:43:12.800 --> 0:43:15.480
<v Speaker 7>so if you forget this secrecy ballot as it's called,

0:43:15.560 --> 0:43:17.839
<v Speaker 7>and your ballot is called the naked ballot, even though

0:43:17.880 --> 0:43:21.080
<v Speaker 7>it's closed in another envelope, it's considered naked and it's

0:43:21.160 --> 0:43:24.960
<v Speaker 7>not eligible, it's not counted. So a few days ago,

0:43:25.120 --> 0:43:28.680
<v Speaker 7>a week ago, the Pennsylvania State Supreme Court ruled that

0:43:28.840 --> 0:43:31.920
<v Speaker 7>under state law, if you send back one of these

0:43:32.000 --> 0:43:34.960
<v Speaker 7>naked ballots, and the estimate is about one percent of

0:43:35.239 --> 0:43:37.759
<v Speaker 7>mail in ballots will be sort of messed up in

0:43:37.800 --> 0:43:40.839
<v Speaker 7>this way, you can go to your polling site and

0:43:41.239 --> 0:43:45.520
<v Speaker 7>file a provisional ballot in person on election day, and

0:43:45.560 --> 0:43:47.800
<v Speaker 7>if it's confirmed that your mail in ballot wasn't counted

0:43:47.880 --> 0:43:51.799
<v Speaker 7>because it's not valid, then your provisional ballot will be

0:43:51.840 --> 0:43:54.400
<v Speaker 7>counted and you'll get to vote. So that was it

0:43:54.440 --> 0:43:57.080
<v Speaker 7>was a four to three decision by the Pennsylvania State

0:43:57.120 --> 0:44:00.759
<v Speaker 7>Supreme Court, and I think it's it's a legitimate, difficult

0:44:00.840 --> 0:44:04.799
<v Speaker 7>question of state law, whether you know, voters should have

0:44:04.840 --> 0:44:08.400
<v Speaker 7>that opportunity under state law to make that change and

0:44:08.480 --> 0:44:11.440
<v Speaker 7>vote in person. But what's happening now is that the

0:44:11.600 --> 0:44:17.200
<v Speaker 7>RNC has petitioned, they has filed an emergency application to

0:44:17.239 --> 0:44:21.080
<v Speaker 7>the Supreme Court saying, you need to correct this error

0:44:21.280 --> 0:44:25.160
<v Speaker 7>of the Pennsylvania State Supreme Court. They have misinterpreted what

0:44:25.239 --> 0:44:32.040
<v Speaker 7>the Pennsylvania legislature has said. And this is unconstitutional even

0:44:32.440 --> 0:44:37.080
<v Speaker 7>under the federal Constitution, because the Federal Constitution says that

0:44:37.800 --> 0:44:41.040
<v Speaker 7>only Congress and the States can determine election rules. It

0:44:41.040 --> 0:44:44.640
<v Speaker 7>doesn't say that state courts can. This is a theory

0:44:44.680 --> 0:44:48.920
<v Speaker 7>known as the independent state legislature theory that with very

0:44:48.920 --> 0:44:52.640
<v Speaker 7>few exceptions, state legislatures get to call the shots irrespective

0:44:52.719 --> 0:44:55.959
<v Speaker 7>of what any other state official or state court might say.

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<v Speaker 7>And so they're asking the Supreme Court to kind of

0:44:58.960 --> 0:45:04.520
<v Speaker 7>declare what Pennsylvania state law actually is and to throw

0:45:04.600 --> 0:45:08.719
<v Speaker 7>out whatever ballots come in that are naked and not

0:45:08.880 --> 0:45:11.759
<v Speaker 7>give those people who tried to be absentee voters but

0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:15.160
<v Speaker 7>failed because they forgot one envelope prevent them from voting

0:45:15.200 --> 0:45:18.520
<v Speaker 7>in person on election day. Could this change the outcome

0:45:18.560 --> 0:45:22.600
<v Speaker 7>of the election, Probably not, because we're talking ten thousands,

0:45:22.640 --> 0:45:26.799
<v Speaker 7>But we've seen in the polls how close Pennsylvania is, right,

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<v Speaker 7>all right, And in.

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<v Speaker 1>Fact Trump won by point seven two percent, Biden won

0:45:31.920 --> 0:45:33.920
<v Speaker 1>by one point one seven.

0:45:33.719 --> 0:45:36.120
<v Speaker 7>Percent, which is a lot of voters, even though the

0:45:36.560 --> 0:45:41.440
<v Speaker 7>seems small, right, This is concerning a that it's happening

0:45:41.440 --> 0:45:42.880
<v Speaker 7>on the shadow docket where.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no accountability, right because we don't know who's seeing

0:45:46.200 --> 0:45:47.879
<v Speaker 1>what on the shadow docket. Right.

0:45:48.239 --> 0:45:51.080
<v Speaker 7>Well, we know that all the justices are seeing all

0:45:51.080 --> 0:45:53.600
<v Speaker 7>the briefs that come in from both sides. But what

0:45:53.680 --> 0:45:56.359
<v Speaker 7>we're not guaranteed, as we saw in the Virginia voter

0:45:56.400 --> 0:46:00.600
<v Speaker 7>purge case, is an explanation of when they make their

0:46:00.600 --> 0:46:03.080
<v Speaker 7>decision why they made it. And I think that was

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<v Speaker 7>a real error on the Court's part in not at

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<v Speaker 7>least giving some indication of why they reinstated that voter purge.

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<v Speaker 7>And I think it would be horribly irresponsible if when

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<v Speaker 7>they issue the decision the order in the Pennsylvania case,

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<v Speaker 7>if they don't say something about why, especially if they're

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<v Speaker 7>siding with the RNC and saying, yeah, these votes shouldn't count,

0:46:30.120 --> 0:46:34.560
<v Speaker 7>because this could potentially flip the election. And everyone knows that.

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<v Speaker 7>Even though Republicans are urging voters to vote by mail

0:46:39.600 --> 0:46:44.120
<v Speaker 7>more this cycle than last cycle, Democrats tend to have

0:46:44.160 --> 0:46:47.319
<v Speaker 7>the advantage with mail in ballots. We're more likely to

0:46:47.360 --> 0:46:50.760
<v Speaker 7>mess up their ballots by not including a secretcy envelope

0:46:50.760 --> 0:46:53.160
<v Speaker 7>and are more likely to gain by having an opportunity

0:46:53.200 --> 0:46:56.200
<v Speaker 7>to vote with a provisional ballot on election day. So

0:46:56.320 --> 0:47:00.520
<v Speaker 7>the partisan valance here is pretty clear. There's not a

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<v Speaker 7>good sort of principled reason why they're siding with the RNC,

0:47:04.160 --> 0:47:06.319
<v Speaker 7>if in fact that's what they do. Which I still

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<v Speaker 7>have enough faith in the court and its decision making

0:47:11.280 --> 0:47:13.960
<v Speaker 7>around elections that it's not going to make the extraordinary

0:47:14.040 --> 0:47:17.560
<v Speaker 7>move of second guessing what the Pennsylvania Supreme Court has said.

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<v Speaker 7>But if they do, they better explain why and explain

0:47:20.840 --> 0:47:23.520
<v Speaker 7>why clearly and persuasively.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, talk me through what your worries are. Now.

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<v Speaker 7>My worries are actually more about what's going to happen

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<v Speaker 7>outside the courts than inside the courts. We saw in

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<v Speaker 7>twenty twenty that the course did a pretty good job

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<v Speaker 7>of taking garbage cases and throwing them in the garbage.

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<v Speaker 7>Like sixty four out of sixty five Trump and Trump

0:47:45.440 --> 0:47:48.560
<v Speaker 7>friend filed cases to try to overturn the election. We're

0:47:48.920 --> 0:47:53.360
<v Speaker 7>tossed out or we're decided we're bad arguments, and I

0:47:53.400 --> 0:47:56.880
<v Speaker 7>think that will hold again this time. As I said,

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<v Speaker 7>despite what happened in Virginia, I have some confidence that

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<v Speaker 7>there will be only maybe two or so justices who

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<v Speaker 7>side with the RNC and this Pennsylvania case. And I

0:48:08.719 --> 0:48:11.920
<v Speaker 7>don't think they want to, given how low their popularity is,

0:48:12.000 --> 0:48:15.759
<v Speaker 7>given how angry so many Americans are about what they've

0:48:15.760 --> 0:48:19.480
<v Speaker 7>done over the past few years, abortion rights, you know,

0:48:19.719 --> 0:48:23.799
<v Speaker 7>being a chief reason for dismay. I don't think they're

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<v Speaker 7>going to want to step into an election and you know,

0:48:27.320 --> 0:48:30.080
<v Speaker 7>be the definitive thumb on the scale they were the

0:48:30.400 --> 0:48:32.959
<v Speaker 7>way they were in two thousand with Bush versus Gore.

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<v Speaker 7>That would be you know, if you think their popularity

0:48:35.760 --> 0:48:38.880
<v Speaker 7>is low now and their credibility is low now, I

0:48:38.920 --> 0:48:41.800
<v Speaker 7>don't think they could recover from that within a generation.

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<v Speaker 7>If they end up being the deciding factor in this

0:48:45.040 --> 0:48:48.479
<v Speaker 7>extremely contentious, extremely important presidential race.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if it's close, we know what they're going to do. Well,

0:48:53.600 --> 0:48:56.120
<v Speaker 1>we hope they don't do what we worry that they

0:48:56.200 --> 0:48:58.279
<v Speaker 1>might do, what I worry that they might do. I'll

0:48:58.360 --> 0:48:59.959
<v Speaker 1>just use eye sentences here.

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<v Speaker 7>I do think there's a scenario where I would be worried,

0:49:02.600 --> 0:49:05.000
<v Speaker 7>which is, if it comes down to Pennsylvania, and if

0:49:05.040 --> 0:49:07.880
<v Speaker 7>it comes down to like a few thousand votes, and

0:49:08.000 --> 0:49:12.319
<v Speaker 7>if those few thousand votes are challenged on a not

0:49:12.920 --> 0:49:16.799
<v Speaker 7>incredible theory of why they shouldn't count, then I think

0:49:16.840 --> 0:49:19.799
<v Speaker 7>it's a close case. And in a close case, partisans

0:49:19.800 --> 0:49:22.719
<v Speaker 7>are going to be partisan. That's what worries me. But

0:49:22.760 --> 0:49:27.000
<v Speaker 7>the chances of all those empirical things happening at once,

0:49:27.360 --> 0:49:30.040
<v Speaker 7>I think are still pretty low, even though the polls

0:49:30.600 --> 0:49:33.719
<v Speaker 7>look so close. You know, we could have Trump landslide

0:49:33.760 --> 0:49:36.240
<v Speaker 7>on Tuesday. We could have a Harris landslide on Tuesday.

0:49:36.440 --> 0:49:38.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're not going to have a Trump land slide

0:49:38.200 --> 0:49:41.440
<v Speaker 1>on Tuesday, but he could eke it out. I want

0:49:41.520 --> 0:49:45.600
<v Speaker 1>you to sort of explain to our listeners what the

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<v Speaker 1>next season of the Supreme Court looks like from what

0:49:49.280 --> 0:49:52.319
<v Speaker 1>cases you're seeing them taking. Just a sort of like

0:49:52.760 --> 0:49:55.799
<v Speaker 1>very kind of quick and dirty overview.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh sure, we don't have the same density of blockbusters,

0:50:01.200 --> 0:50:04.160
<v Speaker 7>thankfully we've had the past few years. We don't have

0:50:04.239 --> 0:50:07.480
<v Speaker 7>gun rights or on the docket. We don't have abortion

0:50:07.600 --> 0:50:10.680
<v Speaker 7>rights on the docket, although abortion could and probably will

0:50:10.719 --> 0:50:15.959
<v Speaker 7>come back, like the abortion rulings from last spring. We're

0:50:16.000 --> 0:50:18.359
<v Speaker 7>both kind of kicking the can down the road. There

0:50:18.360 --> 0:50:22.840
<v Speaker 7>are already new attempts to challenge abortion pills by the

0:50:23.760 --> 0:50:27.680
<v Speaker 7>Red States as opposed to doctors who claim standing, and

0:50:27.719 --> 0:50:30.319
<v Speaker 7>that was shot down very easily by the court. So

0:50:30.400 --> 0:50:34.840
<v Speaker 7>there will be more claims to standing to challenge abortion medication.

0:50:35.320 --> 0:50:39.040
<v Speaker 7>I think emergency abortion will also probably come back. That

0:50:39.160 --> 0:50:41.799
<v Speaker 7>was the case out of Idaho last year. But as

0:50:41.800 --> 0:50:45.000
<v Speaker 7>to what's on the docket now, there are a few cases.

0:50:45.320 --> 0:50:49.080
<v Speaker 7>One in particular that is a culture war, very important

0:50:49.280 --> 0:50:51.920
<v Speaker 7>case that's going to be argued in early December, and

0:50:52.000 --> 0:50:54.600
<v Speaker 7>I think people will turn their attention to it once

0:50:54.640 --> 0:50:57.520
<v Speaker 7>the election gets resolved, whenever that is. And this is

0:50:57.560 --> 0:51:03.400
<v Speaker 7>a case involving healthcare for or trans youth Tennessee. The

0:51:03.719 --> 0:51:07.360
<v Speaker 7>case involves a law in Tennessee that basically bans gender

0:51:07.400 --> 0:51:11.400
<v Speaker 7>affirming healthcare for trans kids. And there are some like

0:51:11.480 --> 0:51:14.000
<v Speaker 7>there's something like eighteen other states that have similar laws.

0:51:14.239 --> 0:51:18.000
<v Speaker 7>Where you know, if you have a trans kid and

0:51:18.040 --> 0:51:21.560
<v Speaker 7>you're in Iowa, where I come from, which used to

0:51:21.640 --> 0:51:23.960
<v Speaker 7>be a blue state when I was growing up there, anyway,

0:51:24.080 --> 0:51:27.000
<v Speaker 7>you have to drive to Minnesota to get healthcare for

0:51:27.080 --> 0:51:30.960
<v Speaker 7>your trans boy or trans girl. So the case out

0:51:31.000 --> 0:51:35.799
<v Speaker 7>of Tennessee asks whether it's constitutional for states to ban

0:51:36.440 --> 0:51:39.600
<v Speaker 7>healthcare in this particular way, and it does so not

0:51:39.960 --> 0:51:43.239
<v Speaker 7>out of you know, is this upholding trans rights or not.

0:51:43.760 --> 0:51:46.919
<v Speaker 7>It does so with sort of a neutral valance, which

0:51:46.960 --> 0:51:50.640
<v Speaker 7>is under the protection clause of the fourteenth Amendment. Is

0:51:50.680 --> 0:51:55.440
<v Speaker 7>it okay to ban the same kinds of healthcare provision

0:51:55.880 --> 0:52:00.760
<v Speaker 7>for trans kids that cisgender kids get? No, no problem.

0:52:01.160 --> 0:52:05.240
<v Speaker 7>So is it okay to ban parmone therapy for only

0:52:05.280 --> 0:52:09.640
<v Speaker 7>for trans kids but not for cisgender kids. And that's

0:52:09.640 --> 0:52:11.680
<v Speaker 7>going to be, I think a really interesting case and

0:52:11.719 --> 0:52:14.759
<v Speaker 7>I'll be watching especially just as Core such because he

0:52:14.880 --> 0:52:17.000
<v Speaker 7>sort of broke type a few years ago in another

0:52:17.040 --> 0:52:20.040
<v Speaker 7>case involving trans rights and said that if you're discriminated

0:52:20.080 --> 0:52:24.160
<v Speaker 7>against in the workplace based on your gender identity, that's

0:52:24.480 --> 0:52:28.920
<v Speaker 7>illegal under the Civil Rights Act because that's under discrimination

0:52:29.280 --> 0:52:32.120
<v Speaker 7>and you can analyze it that way. We'll see if

0:52:32.160 --> 0:52:35.560
<v Speaker 7>he has a way of thinking differently about this healthcare case.

0:52:35.640 --> 0:52:38.520
<v Speaker 7>But that's that's I think the biggest blockbuster out there.

0:52:38.560 --> 0:52:41.719
<v Speaker 7>There are some interesting ones also about involving the EPA

0:52:42.040 --> 0:52:44.640
<v Speaker 7>that have already been argued and rules that they issue

0:52:44.719 --> 0:52:46.440
<v Speaker 7>in terms of waste water.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so interesting. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank

0:52:52.000 --> 0:52:55.759
<v Speaker 1>you for joining us so important. Keep your eyes on

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<v Speaker 1>the Supreme Court.

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<v Speaker 7>I will and you're welcome all those times, and I'd

0:52:59.160 --> 0:53:03.400
<v Speaker 7>be happy to come back. Thanks very much, Molly.

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<v Speaker 2>No second Jesse Cannon by jun Fast One jd Vance

0:53:10.480 --> 0:53:12.960
<v Speaker 2>dropped by The Joe Rogan Show for a three and

0:53:13.000 --> 0:53:16.040
<v Speaker 2>a half hour talk with mister Rogan. He told the

0:53:16.080 --> 0:53:19.600
<v Speaker 2>story of what he supposedly did when he heard that

0:53:19.960 --> 0:53:23.040
<v Speaker 2>Trump had been shot out in Butler, Pennsylvania. I actually

0:53:23.400 --> 0:53:25.800
<v Speaker 2>said it to the Didn't Happen of the Year Awards,

0:53:25.840 --> 0:53:29.120
<v Speaker 2>a Twitter award show where they discuss who made up

0:53:29.160 --> 0:53:31.000
<v Speaker 2>the biggest lie on the app each year.

0:53:31.239 --> 0:53:33.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't know about that. Is that a thing?

0:53:33.320 --> 0:53:35.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a very funny thing they do every year.

0:53:35.239 --> 0:53:38.760
<v Speaker 2>The intries are absolutely hilarious because it's all people saying

0:53:38.800 --> 0:53:43.040
<v Speaker 2>things that one didn't happen, like standing ovations and Walmarts

0:53:43.040 --> 0:53:45.520
<v Speaker 2>for your baga hat. Yeah, so what are you seeing here?

0:53:46.120 --> 0:53:49.279
<v Speaker 1>He just had trouble articulating things, right? What else did

0:53:49.280 --> 0:53:49.560
<v Speaker 1>he do?

0:53:50.239 --> 0:53:54.000
<v Speaker 2>He really like Joe Rogan did not give him hard questions.

0:53:54.040 --> 0:53:56.479
<v Speaker 2>There'd be so many times he would just like drop

0:53:56.560 --> 0:53:58.239
<v Speaker 2>the ball. But he claimed that he was at a

0:53:58.239 --> 0:54:01.160
<v Speaker 2>Midi golf course and always thought was that Trump gotsche

0:54:01.239 --> 0:54:03.640
<v Speaker 2>he did. He claims he didn't see him get back up,

0:54:03.680 --> 0:54:06.560
<v Speaker 2>which uh huh, and uh that he went home and

0:54:06.600 --> 0:54:08.960
<v Speaker 2>loaded all his guns and stood in the door like

0:54:09.000 --> 0:54:10.640
<v Speaker 2>a quote unquote century.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know this fucking guy. I mean, I think

0:54:14.360 --> 0:54:17.920
<v Speaker 1>one of the biggest lies is that jd. Vance is

0:54:17.920 --> 0:54:20.279
<v Speaker 1>good at this. I don't think he's that good at this.

0:54:20.640 --> 0:54:23.080
<v Speaker 1>He does all of these questions where he yells at

0:54:23.160 --> 0:54:26.319
<v Speaker 1>journalists for asking him questions, and then he yells at

0:54:26.320 --> 0:54:29.880
<v Speaker 1>them some more. The point is he's way more unfavorable

0:54:29.960 --> 0:54:35.520
<v Speaker 1>than he is favorable. Jd. Vance. His unfavorability is about

0:54:35.560 --> 0:54:40.200
<v Speaker 1>forty four point eight. He has been just wildly unpopular.

0:54:40.880 --> 0:54:44.080
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know. I mean, I guess they think

0:54:44.080 --> 0:54:45.799
<v Speaker 1>he's very good at this because he does a lot

0:54:45.840 --> 0:54:49.359
<v Speaker 1>of interviews, but there were certainly quite a lot of

0:54:49.440 --> 0:54:52.759
<v Speaker 1>evidence to support the idea that he's really just not

0:54:52.880 --> 0:54:56.640
<v Speaker 1>that great at this. That's it for this episode of

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