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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we get

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Speaker 1: to the heart of the issues that matter to you. Today,

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Speaker 1: we're joined by Shamus Bruner. He is the director of

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Speaker 1: research at the Government and Accountability Institute. We've also had

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Speaker 1: him on the podcast to talk about his book Control

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Speaker 1: of Guards, but he was recently at the White House

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Speaker 1: Roundtable to talk about Antifa, to talk about the funding

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Speaker 1: into some of these left wing groups, which is a specialty.

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Speaker 1: Now we're talking, you know, hundreds of millions of dollars

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Speaker 1: that have gone to some of these left wing groups,

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Speaker 1: these Antifa linked groups as well. He's also identified some

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Speaker 1: billionaire funders whose name might not be as familiar to you,

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Speaker 1: this individual novelle Roy Singham, who allegedly has ties to

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Speaker 1: the CCP. So we're going to dig into all of this,

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Speaker 1: who's funding all of this, why are they funding it?

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Speaker 1: And now that we know the Trump administration is doing

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Speaker 1: a whole of government approach to dig into the funding

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Speaker 1: and also to disrupt some of these groups like Antifa, where.

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Speaker 2: Is this all heading.

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Speaker 1: What will they find Shamus Brunner about that and so

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Speaker 1: much more.

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Speaker 3: Stay with us.

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Speaker 1: Well, Seamus Berner, It's great to have you on the show.

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Speaker 1: I'm really looking forward to this episode and hearing from you.

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Speaker 3: You know, obviously there's been a lot to talk about.

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Speaker 1: Antifa lately and trying to get into the root of

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Speaker 1: a lot of this leftist funding, and you're the guy

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Speaker 1: to ask those questions too, So appreciate you making the time, Lisa.

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Speaker 4: It's always a pleasure to join you on the show.

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Speaker 1: There were some recently some news articles kind of focusing

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Speaker 1: on what you guys discussed at this roundtable with the

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Speaker 1: White House that we'll dive into. But it seems like

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Speaker 1: some of these left wing groups are starting a panic

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Speaker 1: a little bit as a result of some of the

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Speaker 1: research that you've done and you've put forward, and now

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Speaker 1: the White House has heightened attention to it. You know,

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Speaker 1: talk about that, talk about the panic, and talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit about some of this breaking news that has

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Speaker 1: come forward.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Sure.

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Speaker 4: So when President Trump posted it would be a couple

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Speaker 4: of months ago actually that George Soros and his son

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Speaker 4: should be investigated under RICO, this was before the assassination

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Speaker 4: of Charlie Kirk and that's really around the time that

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Speaker 4: this all starts. I mean, there had been a no

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Speaker 4: King's protest back in June. There had been a bunch

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Speaker 4: of anti ICE riots all throughout, you know, ever since

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Speaker 4: Trump was inaugurated out in the Los Angeles, across the country, fires, arsons,

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Speaker 4: et cetera. And so there's been kind of just this

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Speaker 4: culture of unrest that the left has been fomenting, and

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Speaker 4: we've been following the money to see who is backing this.

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Speaker 4: So back when LA was experiencing it's anti Ice Day

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Speaker 4: of rage, we found that Neville Roy Singham, this foreign

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Speaker 4: billionaire who lives in China, who has been funding unrest

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Speaker 4: going back to BLM and all kinds of division in

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Speaker 4: our country, he had been funding some of the groups

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Speaker 2: And so we just we've been acting it for several months.

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Speaker 4: In the wake of the Charlie Kirk assassination, we have

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Speaker 4: been just unalarmed at the number of people who are

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Speaker 2: And so that is really what.

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Speaker 4: Kicked off Trump designating Antifa as a domestic terror organization.

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Speaker 2: And then after President Trump made.

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Speaker 4: That designation, he called together this White House roundtable about

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Speaker 4: two weeks back, and so it was a number of journalists,

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Speaker 4: many of them who have been on the front lines

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Speaker 4: Savanna Hernandez, and so many others who have been actually

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Speaker 4: physically assaulted, attacked, brutally attacked. And I was kind of

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Speaker 4: the one guy there who I've not been beaten up

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Speaker 4: by Antifa.

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Speaker 2: Thankfully.

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Speaker 3: That's good. Let's keep it that way.

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Speaker 5: I would like to keep it away that way, but

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Speaker 5: let's keep it that But I was to follow them guy,

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Speaker 5: and what I said to President Trump and the cabinet

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Speaker 5: was that, you know, we've tracked this money to what.

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Speaker 4: We call the protest industrial complex. We call it Riot Inc.

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Speaker 4: And like many corporations, Riot Inc. Has many divisions. It's

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Speaker 4: It also has a very well funded legal division that

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Speaker 4: helps get these violent criminals out of jail as soon

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Speaker 4: funds that instantly get basically overnight, people have committed violent

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Speaker 4: that we are focusing on the most are the investors

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Speaker 4: in rioting. So we followed the money to the top

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Speaker 4: of the big NGO funding networks. I mean, yes, of course,

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Speaker 4: George Soros and the Open Society Institutes are our major funders.

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Speaker 4: There's also lesser known funding networks like the Arabella network,

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Speaker 4: the Tie network.

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Speaker 2: I mentioned Singham.

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Speaker 4: He's got a huge protest funding mechanism called.

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Speaker 2: The People's Forum. It's in New York. And then there's

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Speaker 4: Rockefeller of course pours a ton of money into this system,

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Speaker 4: but the big ones are really Tides, Arabella, and Soros

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Speaker 1: I guess it's just the way the news is going

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Speaker 1: these days. But it feels like the roundtable.

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Speaker 3: Was like yesterday.

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Speaker 1: It's like life just flies by these days, and you know,

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Speaker 1: there's so much going on. I feel like, you know,

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Speaker 1: it moves so quickly. So yeah, so you talked about

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Speaker 1: Riot the post.

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Speaker 3: Industrial complex, right, inc.

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Speaker 1: Now you've traced a lot of money going into these groups.

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Speaker 1: You know this Singham guy. Tell me a little bit

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Speaker 1: more about him, and I'm just started to hear his

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Speaker 4: So my colleague Peter Schweitzer wrote a huge book called

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Speaker 4: Blood Money a couple of years ago, I want to say,

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Speaker 4: maybe twenty twenty three or four, and that had a

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Speaker 4: whole chapter on Neville or Roy Singham.

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Speaker 2: Neville Roy Singham, I think he goes by Roy and

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Speaker 4: He sold his tech company, it was called thought Works

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Speaker 4: in twenty eighteen, I believe, for close to a billion dollars.

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Speaker 4: He's married to the head of Code Pink, which, for

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Speaker 4: those who don't know what Code Pink, it's another one

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Speaker 4: I mean, there were inches away from the President's Secret Service.

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Speaker 4: Got rid of them pretty quickly, got him out of there.

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Speaker 4: But Code Pink has been huge in the protest industrial complex.

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Speaker 4: He Nevill Roy Singham funds, of course Code Pink, but

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Speaker 4: he has this thing in New York called the People's

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Speaker 4: radical groups. I mean, the protests that turned into violent

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Speaker 4: riots out in Los Angeles were organized in part by

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Speaker 4: a group called CHURLA, the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights

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Speaker 2: He funds again BLM.

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Speaker 4: Actually he popped back up on our radar pretty recently

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Speaker 2: There was this group Armed Queers.

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Speaker 4: clear that they were linked to the Kirk assassination. But

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Speaker 4: when we started looking into this group Armed Queers of

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Speaker 4: Salt Lake City, which is exactly like what it sounds.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they go to the shooting range and you

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Speaker 2: But they were flown down.

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Speaker 4: In this group from Salt Lake City to Cuba of

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Speaker 4: all places, and participated in a Nevill Roy Singham backed

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Speaker 4: Marxist revolution lutionary training event. He's actually helped fund at

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Speaker 2: It's BLM or other radical.

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Speaker 4: Groups like that ANTIFA types, to go down to Cuba

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Speaker 4: and learn from real revolutionaries on how to overthrow countries.

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Speaker 4: The Armed Queers of Salt Lake City, they posted all

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Speaker 2: And they did that, by the way, that before they

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Speaker 4: I think that's one of the things that the FBI

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Speaker 4: they just started taking all of their content off of Instagram, Facebook.

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Speaker 4: They had substack articles talking about how to overthrow the US.

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Speaker 4: So the point is is Nevilroy Singham is what we

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Speaker 4: would consider a foreign investor in rioting.

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Speaker 2: He lives in Shanghai.

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Speaker 3: Why does he live in China?

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Speaker 2: He's very pro CCP. Ironically, he funds a lot of

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Speaker 2: So is the American. I believe he's got.

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Speaker 4: Either dual citizenship or he may He may be an American,

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Speaker 4: but he does not spend the most most of his

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Speaker 2: He spends it in China.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, and in these groups like Antifa, they have lawyers

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Speaker 1: who protect them with the National Lawyers Guild. Talk a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's that's definitely one of the most

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Speaker 4: well funded. That's where a lot of the money goes

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Speaker 4: to his lawyers at things like the ACLU. The National

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Speaker 4: a c l U. And what they're theirs. They're on

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Speaker 4: the ground, they're in either yellow vests, yellow hats, something

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Speaker 4: kind of you know, marking that they're not part of

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Speaker 4: the the actual rioting and protesting apparatus. They're just there

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Speaker 4: to document and help get these rioters out of trouble.

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Speaker 2: And so, you know, an.

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Speaker 6: Example would be the rioters have just thrown a Molotov

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Speaker 6: cocktail or launched a mortar firework at ice officers, or

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Speaker 6: punch them or beat them or thrown rocks at them.

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Speaker 2: But then the police will then track.

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Speaker 4: Down ostensibly National Lawyers Guild or a CLU observers are

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Speaker 4: there to only get the exculpatory evidence, say this is

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Speaker 4: a police brutality event.

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Speaker 2: Look at how awful these these ice officers are.

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Speaker 1: You know, how how challenging.

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Speaker 3: You know, we've got the Trump administration.

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Speaker 1: Now obviously to the roundtable which you're a part of.

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Speaker 1: They've designated in TIFA terrorist organization. The Treasury Department has

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Speaker 1: said that, you know, it's working in tandem with you know,

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Speaker 1: kind of a whole government approach on some of this stuff,

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Speaker 1: like how many degrees of separation are there for some

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Speaker 1: of these guys in terms of where the money goes,

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Speaker 1: where it ends up, Like how difficult do you think

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Speaker 3: Enter into like a legal territory.

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Speaker 1: Little bit about that, because my minor sittings are sort

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Speaker 1: of like intentionally decentralized for those types of reasons.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, talk a little bit like does a designation help?

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Speaker 1: Like how do you how do you see it?

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Speaker 4: What it What it does is that it tells and

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Speaker 4: they I mean, you know, you got to you gotta

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Speaker 4: give the administration credit for having something like the roundtable,

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Speaker 4: which is very much in the public, uh, you know,

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Speaker 4: like it was a televised event and you know, speaking

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Speaker 4: quite openly about the administration's plans, whereas the FBI has

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Speaker 4: been infiltrating terror groups since forever.

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Speaker 2: So, I mean, it's this isn't anything new.

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Speaker 4: The left is kind of hyperventilated like, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 4: she's he's going full fascist or when ever. But you

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Speaker 4: know this is the FBI has done this for a

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Speaker 4: very long time. As far as the designation, what it

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Speaker 4: does is it sort of tells every official, the Attorney

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Speaker 4: General Bondi or FBI Director Patel, this is an administration priority.

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Speaker 4: You could have done it in a memo it says

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Speaker 4: it's a really really strong priority they have charged to individuals,

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Speaker 4: which I think enhances the penalties. But what's been going

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Speaker 4: on for years now is that the antifa rioters will

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Speaker 4: go assault law enforcement. They'll go burn a car, they'll

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Speaker 4: go try to set fire to an ice facility, and.

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Speaker 2: Then they'll get arrested by maybe maybe they'll get.

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Speaker 4: Arrested by local police, Portland police, Seattle police, et cetera.

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Speaker 4: And then they'll get out overnight because the city the

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Speaker 4: mayor is not taking it seriously.

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Speaker 2: We're seeing that obviously in Portland right now.

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Speaker 4: They're actually sort of on the side of the you know,

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Speaker 4: so called anti fascists. And so when you make this

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Speaker 4: designation one it like it tells the Justice Department, most

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Speaker 4: importantly Homeland Security, that federal crimes need to be filed

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Speaker 4: here like in any way that these people can be

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Speaker 4: charged with federal crimes because then you can't get them

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Speaker 4: out out overnight, and it emboldens them by the way

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Speaker 4: it emboldens the violent Antifa members when they just get

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Speaker 4: a slap on the wrist and then they're back on

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Speaker 4: the street the next day. When you get arrested by

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Speaker 4: the Feds and you go to federal prison for ten

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Speaker 4: years for committing you know, federal assaults on federal officers,

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Speaker 4: and and it's enhanced with like you know, terror designation.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot you're going to see this.

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Speaker 4: Crackdown, I believe work once once a few people get

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Speaker 4: charged with federal crimes and are not going to be

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Speaker 4: getting out of jail anytime soon. But to your point,

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Speaker 4: they it's going to be like wackable because all they

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Speaker 4: have to do is stop calling themselves anti fascist or antifa,

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Speaker 4: and they'll say, well, I'm not a member of Antifa,

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Speaker 4: I'm just a member of like some new thing called

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Speaker 4: pro democracy. We're pro deems or something, and they can

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Speaker 4: change their name easily.

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Speaker 2: They can, you know, get rid of.

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Speaker 4: Their Antifa flag and make a new flag and continue

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Speaker 4: to commit the crimes that they are committing, which is

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Speaker 4: why my point was, this is a much bigger ecosystem.

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Speaker 4: Why we call it the protest industrial complex rioting. It's

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Speaker 4: so much bigger than just Antifa. You really have to

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Speaker 4: go after the funding sources that enable all of this chaos,

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Speaker 4: which means, no, no, you're not going to be charging

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Speaker 4: the ACLU or the National Lawyer's Guild with domestic terrorism,

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Speaker 4: but if they are funding or enabling criminal behavior. This

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Speaker 4: is kind of where you get back into what President

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Speaker 4: Trump posted a few months back about RICO. Now, RICO

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Speaker 4: is a very tough thing to prove, but if you

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Speaker 4: have an entire ecosystem network of people funding and enabling

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Speaker 4: criminal activity, and if you can prove that, then you

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Speaker 4: can actually start to try to kind of dismantle and

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Speaker 4: disrupt the funding sources. And I think that's the only

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Speaker 4: way you can really stop this chaos.

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Speaker 1: Do they even believe in anything? Because it seems to

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Speaker 1: be the same people who are like part of Black

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Speaker 1: Lives Matter, who then you know, are with the Palestinians

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Speaker 1: and hate Israel, but then also are like the same

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Speaker 1: people who hate Ice and you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: Like it seems like they're just like hate squads and

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, like do they have any core beliefs

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Speaker 1: or is it just like anarchy and anti government.

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Speaker 2: It's a great question.

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Speaker 4: You know, it varies person by person, but I mean,

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Speaker 4: you're right, a lot of these people are kind of

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Speaker 4: just malcontents.

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Speaker 2: The guy sitting next to me, I'll give him a shout.

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Speaker 4: Out Jonathan Choe of Turning Point USA, and he did

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Speaker 4: a report with the Capital Research Center that was titled Infiltrated,

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Speaker 4: and it's all about how the homelessness industrial complex like all,

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Speaker 4: there's all.

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Speaker 2: You'd be stunned to know the number of groups that are.

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Speaker 4: Purporting to help fix the homelessness crisis, especially you know

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Speaker 4: in Gavin Newsom's California where eighteen billion dollars, where did

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Speaker 4: it go?

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Speaker 2: It went to groups like these ones.

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Speaker 4: And what what this report shows is that, uh, these

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Speaker 4: homelessness advocacy groups have been totally infiltrated by radical leftists

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Speaker 4: who are now taking advantage in exploiting homeless people.

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Speaker 2: Bringing them into the cause. A lot of people like uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, Cam Higbee was on the ground in Portland.

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Speaker 4: He was interviewing various ANTIFA members who sort of undercover

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Speaker 4: and several others were there. They they all told me

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Speaker 4: the same thing instead at the White House, that the

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Speaker 4: homeless like there's a huge homeless contingent and people who

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Speaker 4: shouldn't be able to travel between Chicago and Portland and

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Speaker 4: Seattle don't have the resources or somehow finding their way

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Speaker 4: there and just you know, causing causing chaos.

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Speaker 2: So I think they are paid agitators.

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Speaker 4: Finding that, I think that's going to be a law

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Speaker 4: enforcement job of like how they're getting paid, Like if it's.

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Speaker 2: Cash, I can't I can't do that from here.

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Speaker 4: But you know, I think I think we're gonna find

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Speaker 4: out a lot more, especially like because it's finally being

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Speaker 4: taken seriously.

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Speaker 2: You know, we've all suspected for years that you know,

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Speaker 2: you see a.

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Speaker 4: Video of someone handing out you know, cash to various agitators. Uh,

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Speaker 4: they're going to have to really do like tough law

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Speaker 4: enforcement work.

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Speaker 2: Of get it, getting them to flip.

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Speaker 4: You know, true believers are going to be you know,

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Speaker 4: they'll probably go down with the ship. But some of

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Speaker 4: them are going to say, you know, I'm facing ten

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Speaker 4: years in federal prison.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to give up.

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Speaker 4: You know, the guy who funded me and who paid

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Speaker 4: me in cash and.

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Speaker 2: That kind of thing.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I think it's gonna take take a while.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's you know, we'll see if the

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Speaker 4: National Guard goes into Portland, maybe that'll be able to

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Speaker 4: clean it up.

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Speaker 2: And you know, but I think they're gonna bide their time.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is just a tactic, a color revolution tactic.

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Speaker 1: And then, Shamus, before we go, where can I know

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Speaker 1: we had you on recently to talk about your latest book,

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Speaker 1: Control of Guards, But where can people continue to follow

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Speaker 1: your work?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm on, I'm on all platforms at Seamus Bruner, Shamus's.

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Speaker 2: Se A m U S. Bruner v R U N

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Speaker 2: E R.

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Speaker 4: Mostly on where that's where I spend mostly, but I

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Speaker 4: got Instagram and others.

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Speaker 2: That's probably the best place you can find.

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Speaker 4: Our investigations at the Drilldown dot com. That's where Peter

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Speaker 4: Schweitzer hosts his podcast, The drill Down dot Com, and

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Speaker 4: that's where all of our investigations and receipts are posted.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, well, very interesting stuff.

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Speaker 3: We'll continue to follow it. We'd love to have you

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Speaker 3: back on and check back in about.

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Speaker 1: Where everything is going. So appreciate you making the time, Seamus.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Lisa. That was Seamus Bruner.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate him for making the time to come on the show.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday.

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Speaker 1: You can listen throughout the week. I also want to

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Speaker 1: thank John.

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Speaker 3: Cassio, my producer, for putting the show together. Until next time,