1 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thanks for tuning in. 2 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: Do you remember how earlier in uh, in a previous episode, 3 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 1: we had said we would maybe do more ghost or 4 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: monster spooky stories leading into Halloween. Yes, yes, I do 5 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: remember that. Then we're a little early for Halloween. But 6 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: you know what, we're so chock full of monsters that 7 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: we're we just we just got them spelling out of 8 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: the sides. So we're gonna start early with a story 9 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: about something called the Aswang. Yes, you're right, You're you're right, 10 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: I think either way. Uh, you are correct. We were 11 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: talking about a very specific type of monster. And before 12 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: we get to it, let's introduce one of our favorite monsters, 13 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, Super producer Casey Pegram Casey, are you 14 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: okay that I referred to you as a monster? As 15 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: that love it Casey on the case. So, growing up, 16 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: were you into monsters? No? I mean, I'm I'm clearly 17 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: a monster myself because I'm meeting cheese. It's on this show. 18 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: Unastraptable in behavior, borish. Oh gosh, I hate myself now. 19 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: Of course I love monsters. Yeah, yeah, I was a 20 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: little frightened of them. I thought they lived under my 21 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: bed and in my closet. Um. Do you remember that 22 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: movie The Willies Barely a deep cut has young Sean 23 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: Aston in it, and it's sort of an are You 24 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: Afraid of the Dark style camp fire tail movie where 25 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: it's an anthology, And there was one in particular where 26 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: there was a really creepy, gangly kind of pumpkin head 27 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: looking monster with long, skinny fingers who menaced the children 28 00:01:56,080 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: at a middle school, and that stuck with me. Then, Yeah, 29 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: it's strange when you think of how profoundly some of 30 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: those things can impact us as children. I was addicted 31 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: to scary stories to tell in the dark. Covers alone 32 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: are like nightmare fuel, pure nightmare fuel, and the guy's 33 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: a legit folklorist. And one of the things I loved 34 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: about it was that it was it was different from 35 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 1: the usual fair of monstrosity that we see in the US. 36 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: I've also wondered, I don't know how much the games 37 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 1: done in this, but I've also wondered and marveled at 38 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: the sheer variety of goblins ghouls, which is a monsters 39 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: in other parts of the world, like just what we 40 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: would categorize as vampires, just that category alone contains hundreds 41 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 1: and hundreds of creatures that many people have never heard of, 42 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 1: but in their countries of origin, these creatures are taken very, 43 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: very seriously. And one of them is the ash Yeah, 44 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,239 Speaker 1: the aswang is um sort of a pamp e on 45 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: of monsters, right. It's sort of like in Japanese culture 46 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: you've got the yokai, which are just kind of a 47 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: stand in for any kind of goblin or the magical 48 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: creature or whatever. And here's the thing. I wanted to 49 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 1: pose this to you before we get too much. We're 50 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,519 Speaker 1: talking about our childhood um obsession and fear and um 51 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: you know PTSD associated with monsters. But as a thirty 52 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: five year old man uh and Ben, I'm not gonna 53 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna spill your age, your ageless, but I 54 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: don't think monsters are real anymore. That is not something 55 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: that keeps me up at night. It's it's just normal 56 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 1: baseline anxiety that keeps me up at night. Now, that's 57 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: my monster. But in other countries that's not quite the case. 58 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: That's absolutely true. Hey, can I have some cheese? It's 59 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: do you have any thanks? Can you guys tell we're 60 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: recorded on a Friday afternoon. Thanks man. So, yeah, that's 61 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: absolutely true. These are taken seriously, and the ass one 62 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: is just one example. You will hear other names for 63 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: it too, like the tick tick or the clean clean 64 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: or the US long. But I think you're right. Our 65 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: fears tend to evolve with us, you know what I mean, 66 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: Our monsters grow up with us. That sounds way more 67 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: cryptic than I intended. And in the Philippines, where they 68 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 1: as well originates, they have often been taken very seriously 69 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: as like a legitimate, credible physical threat to you and 70 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: your loved ones. Yeah, it's one of those things where 71 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: you probably if you grew up in the Philippines, tasty 72 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: and got a good crunch, good trying to do it 73 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: off the mike goodbyte. Yeah, that's that's probably good etiquette. 74 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, you know, if you grew up 75 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: in the Philippines, or you know somebody that grew up 76 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: in the Philippines, chances are you've met somebody that, whether 77 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: they themselves or someone they know or possibly their grandpa 78 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: or something, or you know, a loved one will have claimed, 79 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 1: uh with full belief, to have either encountered one of 80 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: these creatures possibly been attacked by one of them, or 81 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 1: even maybe know someone who met their untimely end at 82 00:04:55,320 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: the hands or claws or fangs or dripping intestines, dripping intestines. Yeah, 83 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: can we go through some of us of this? Yeah, okay. So, 84 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: as we mentioned, aswang is kind of an umbrella. It's 85 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: herb and in different regions of the Philippines you will 86 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: hear different descriptions of what an aswang actually is. And 87 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: despite its different variations, it is probably the most frightening 88 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: mythical creature in this type of folklore. So one thing 89 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 1: that's always kind of the common thread is that their 90 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: shape shifters, I can somehow change shape. The big differences 91 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: arrive when we ask what shapes they change into. So 92 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: we mentioned that they can have long clause, do we 93 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: mention the torso thing yet? You you alluded to it, Ben, 94 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 1: But but give us give us the quicken dirty. So 95 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: there's the appearance of a person. It's just a torso 96 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: arms in the head and they're flying. They levitate and 97 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: their intestines dripped down under them, just kind of dragging 98 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: like a like a train. And they eat unborn children 99 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: and toddlers. Usually they want to eat the livers and 100 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: the hearts. Yeah, and there's even one that I think 101 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: has some sort of specially adapted tongue that they can 102 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: use to suck out the fetus from a pregnant woman. Yeah, 103 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 1: like a like a very evil mosquito exactly. Yes. So 104 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: they're sometimes described as very very thin, they're always described 105 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: as kind of fast, and some of them make different noises, right, 106 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: that's going to be importantly Yeah, that's right. There's some 107 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: that look like pigs um who make obviously pig type noises, 108 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: snorting and you know, grinding their teeth, and and they're 109 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: also quite large. Then they're also like werewolf type oswang 110 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: that um are you know about, like you would think 111 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 1: some of them look more like a regular dog. Some 112 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: of them look like maybe like a hyena or a 113 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: jackal or something like that, or some kind of any 114 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: kind of like wild kind of rabid beast. But then 115 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: you have the scariest of all that there's a great 116 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: connection between this and the way we look at these 117 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: kind of creatures vampires. You've got the ones that look 118 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: mainly like you or I, but they are still out 119 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: for blood, livers and hearts, right, because they can shift 120 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: into a human form and then shift I guess into 121 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: their more monstrous forms, as legend would have it. As 122 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: legend would have it. Yes, very important, very important. They 123 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: also have these weird, these techniques that are so fascinating. 124 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: For instance, um, if you read on mythology dot net 125 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: just a quick overview of Aswong. There, it's apparently common 126 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: for Askewong to turn plants into doppel gangers of their 127 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: victims to hide evidence of their hunting from locals. That's 128 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: pretty cool, then, I mean, that's a pretty I mean 129 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: it's a dark power, but it's pretty neat power, right. 130 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: And so they do it in two ways. They might 131 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: make a doppel ganger of a corpse so it looks 132 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: like the person died without an Aswhong attack. Or they 133 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: might make a doppel gang er of a living person. 134 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: When they make one of a living person a living victim, 135 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: then the doppelganger goes to that person's home, they fall ill, 136 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: and they die. Why are we telling you all of this? Well, 137 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: we're telling you this because this story comes into play 138 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: in a very strange and ingenious way. Shortly after World 139 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: War Two, the Philippine Army is fighting an insurgency led 140 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: by communist rebels known as the hook ba llahap and 141 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: pardon my pronunciation, I am not a Tagalic speaker. Well, 142 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: you're not going to try the alternate pronunciation for when 143 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: they sort of shifted their their purposes. That one's even harder. 144 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: It's got like an energy pronounced that energy on its own. 145 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 1: M So this this army is having the age old 146 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: a series of problems that organized armies have when they 147 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: run into guerrilla forces. Right there, They're fighting an enemy 148 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: that is often invisible, able to blend in with the 149 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: local non fighting population, you know what I mean. And 150 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: they're like, how do we how do we combat this? 151 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: We need a method of our own. We need something 152 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: we could do that will um squash this rebellion, and 153 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: it may need to be an unconventional method because this 154 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: also just for the background here, Uh, these guys who 155 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: were also called Huck's h u K there fighting against 156 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: the status quo. Uh, the wealthy Filipinos who had collaborated 157 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: with Japanese invaders right because originally they um were part 158 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,839 Speaker 1: of the team. Right during the during World War Two, 159 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: when the Philippines were leagued up with the US fighting 160 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 1: against the Japanese. UM this group was was fighting the 161 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: good fight, right, and then after the end of the 162 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: war they started, they kind of became installed as de 163 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: facto militia or military of the communist government, right right right, 164 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: because it's you can see how they feel very short 165 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: changed in this at this position because the collaborators with 166 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: the Japanese have grabbed a ton of land afterwards, and 167 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: they own a bunch of resources, and the inequality of 168 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: the country, which was already very extreme, is just going 169 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: to continue as though nothing has changed. So of course 170 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 1: they want a rebellion. Of course they want a different government. 171 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: And just to try my hand at butchering and pronunciation, 172 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: they did change the name after this Switchero happened to 173 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: Huckbo ng Bayan Leban SAHAPONS, known as the Anti Japanese Army. 174 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: That was pretty good, man, I thought that was pretty good. 175 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: But not only were they against the Japanese army, they 176 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 1: ultimately ended up becoming against the Filipino government because they 177 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: believe that the President Manuel Roxas was a sympathizer with 178 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:02,319 Speaker 1: or or a collaborator. I guess with what the Japanese, 179 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:06,359 Speaker 1: I'm gonna use about that, Yeah, that he was collaborating 180 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: with them to enrich himself. Uh and then also you know, 181 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: in his capitalism. So that's obviously not gonna fly with 182 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: these guys. But there's another another player enters the game, Yeah, 183 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,439 Speaker 1: the big one, because lets we forget, the US is 184 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: involved and has an interest here and they want to 185 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: get those uh those huckbows literally running for the hill. 186 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: So inter Air Force Brigadier General Edward G I read 187 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: this originally, and I thought I said Landslide, which would 188 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: have been an awesome last name for a general, but 189 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 1: unfortunately it is Lansdale, Um. And he is a huge 190 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 1: proponent of a little something called psy ops. Ben bless 191 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: us with your military history, acumen. What psy ops? Thank 192 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: everybody knows psychological operations also known as psychological warfare. This 193 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 1: includes everything from propaganda given to soldiers over the radio 194 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: to things like post armies that we have mentioned before. Yeah, 195 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: like in Vietnam, Um, the US military used the sounds 196 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: recorded sounds of like wailing damned ancestors of the Vietcong, 197 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: and it it works. So I would say psy ops 198 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: a sort of the art of freaking out your enemy, right, Yeah, 199 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: I think that's a good way to describe its intimidation, 200 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: and Landsdale is very, very familiar with this. There's a 201 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: great book by an author named Max Boot called The 202 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: Road Not Taken Edward Landsdale in the American Tragedy in Vietnam, 203 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: which touches on some of Lansdale's activities. Lansdale is no 204 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: stranger to psy ops. He's a he's a huge fan 205 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: of psychological warfare, and he has he has chops, he 206 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: has some has some things on his resume that are 207 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: unethical but impressive. He orchestrates a campaign in Vietnam that 208 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: makes nearly a million refugees flee the country because he 209 00:12:55,880 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: hired a soothsayer to predict good fortune for South Vietnam 210 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: and bad luck for the North. Wow, so not firing 211 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: a shot, just getting into people's head. Yeah, you want 212 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: reminds me. There's an episode of Monty Python where it's 213 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: like the most dangerous joke in the world and they 214 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,079 Speaker 1: use it against their enemies, and only every like major 215 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: commander can only hold like one word of the joke 216 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: at a time, because if they themselves read it in 217 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 1: one go they would be stricken mad or whatever. So 218 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: they hold it up for the enemy to see it. 219 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: You see it takes some kind of a minute to 220 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: recognize what it is, and then they all just laugh 221 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 1: themselves to death. Uh, you know, obviously kind of a 222 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: silly satirical version, but sort of describing this phenomenon that 223 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: we're talking about here using people's thoughts and attitudes and 224 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: preconceived ideas against them. Yes, and we have a quote, 225 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: uh from Landsdale himself. It's something called the Aswong Project 226 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: dot com SI war in the Philippines. Aswong and the 227 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: c I A. So this is before his Vietnam and stuff, 228 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: by the way, So Lansdale says, a combat SI war 229 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: squad was brought in to the Philippines. It planted stories 230 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: among town residents of an Asswhong living on the hills 231 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: where the hooks were based. So they spread these They 232 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: spread these rumors, and then two nights later, after giving 233 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: the stories time to sort of percolate up to the hucks, 234 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: the ambushers silently snatched the last man of a patrol 235 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: and they killed him. They punctured his neck with two 236 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: holes as if a vampire bit him, and they hung 237 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: his body up by the heels to exanguinate him, to 238 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: d drain him of all blood and then they took 239 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: the corpse and they dragged it back to the trail 240 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: where the guy would have disappeared, and he just plopped 241 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: his body out there. So what happened next, Well, they 242 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: like littered these corpses, you know, with all around the area. 243 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: And it did not go over well with the with 244 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: the invading forces right or the you know, attempting to 245 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: overthrow forces right right, the communist rebel groups. They returned, 246 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: they were trying to look for their comrade. And can 247 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: you imagine how frightening that is? Like, that's the thing. 248 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: It may sound silly for people to be frightened of 249 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: a mythological monster, right, but imagine you work with someone, 250 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: like think of all your coworkers. You work with someone, 251 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: You go out to a party with them, they disappear, 252 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: You come back the next day and you find them 253 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: with bite marks and no blood. That's frightening. I might 254 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: fall for that. I don't know, what do you think? 255 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: I mean? You know, tensions are already running high in 256 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: this true in the situation, just like guerrilla warfare. Um, yeah, 257 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: here's the here's the kicker. Though this was psy ops 258 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: on the surface, but psy ops typically doesn't involve war 259 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: crimes because you're not supposed to. You know, they're capturing 260 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: these people and then there basically torturing and murdering them. Yeah, 261 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: you know they're They're not like putting them in pow camps. 262 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: They are using them, using their flesh and blood as 263 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: some kind of crazy horror show to freak out their 264 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: their comrades. And that brings us to an interesting question 265 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: here because you know, it's this event is not something 266 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: that happened across the Philippines for you know, years and years. 267 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: It was this single operation. But they may not have 268 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: been actually scared of Naswong at all. They may have 269 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: just been scared of getting kidnapped and used as you know, 270 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: psychological torture for their compatriots. And a Huck squadron at 271 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: this time was about a hundred to three hundred soldiers, 272 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: and we don't know whether they were actually scared of 273 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: of a fictional creature or whether they were scared of 274 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: the very real and very ruthless as you mentioned c 275 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: I A right. Yeah, he had another trick that he 276 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: liked to use Lansdale called the Eye of God. And 277 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: this is much similar to the ghost tape kind of stuff. 278 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: We will hear about in Vietnam um where they basically 279 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if they used a spooky voice over 280 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: the loudspeakers, but they were like calling out the names 281 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: of prominent huck you know, the commanders and threatening them 282 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: with certain death. And you know, I mean, can't you 283 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 1: picture of being kind of Scooby duod out like that? 284 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 1: Oh get to the best part though, oh yeah yeah. 285 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: So adding insult to injury, they would also um creep 286 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: into their camp and paint these spooky eyes on the 287 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: tent or wherever the people were sleeping the house, I 288 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: guess they had little huts. This is like they were 289 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: in their villages. I guess. For some reason, that seems 290 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: even creepier to me, to even creepier than hearing a 291 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: weird noise, waking up and finding this non consensual artwork, 292 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. This didn't like you know, 293 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: clear the Huck's out overnight or anything. I mean it. 294 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: You know, it took about four years before Louis Taruk, 295 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: who had been the eater of of this organization for 296 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: quite some time, actually surrendered and accepted a prison sentence. 297 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: So you know, I mean, it's really interesting to read 298 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 1: about this stuff. And it's certainly a fascinating uh type 299 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: of warfare that often you mentioned earlier. Max Boot historian 300 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: says that this tactic was actually considered a war crime 301 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: because they were killing these Filipino soldiers um deliberately instead 302 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 1: of you know, capturing them um as enemy combatants. And 303 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: then of course they were mutilating their corpses too, so 304 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: not not a good look, but I guess effective. I 305 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: don't know what do you think then? Yeah, I mean, 306 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: definitely not a good look, but certainly effective. And the CIA, 307 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 1: so we clarify here, the CIA is telling the Filipinos 308 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 1: soldiers in the army to attack the communist rebels and 309 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: use these tactics, and they do work. I mean, by 310 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: the fifties, I think, as we mentioned, the huck certain 311 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: serious decline and Lansdale will go on to do more 312 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 1: of this sort of stuff, especially in Vietnam. As we 313 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: mentioned before, the type of techniques he applied were also 314 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: sometimes called black combat. He also did another another psyop 315 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: we should mention. He would have different messages broadcast. Know 316 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: you had mentioned earlier, the messages warning rebel leaders and 317 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: so on, but they would also fly planes very low 318 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: overhead and broadcast messages to make the rebels believe spies 319 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: were in their midst and they couldn't trust one another. 320 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 1: So eventually the rebels surrender, And there's no argument about it. 321 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: These tactics were very useful to Landsdale and to the 322 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: Army of the Philippines. The question that we have to 323 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: ask ourselves is at what price victory? You know what 324 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: I mean? It's not right to desecrate corpses. No, no, 325 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: it's definitely not And um, you know, I think our 326 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,479 Speaker 1: boy Lansdale would go on to use slightly less brutal 327 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 1: techniques later in his career, but I guess this was 328 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: just kind of a different time. He's also for anybody 329 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: who wants a little bit of a lost treasure story. 330 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: He also shows up in the old legend of Yamashita's Gold, 331 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: which is this horde of treasure that was stolen by 332 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 1: the Japanese forces during World War two and hidden somewhere 333 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:43,360 Speaker 1: in the Philippines, and the according to the story, it's 334 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: still there and you can go search for it yourself, 335 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: as many other treasure hunters have tried over the past 336 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 1: few decades. We should mention the existence of this treasure 337 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: is largely not taken seriously by a lot of experts, 338 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: but of course who doesn't want to find it. You 339 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 1: can read more about that by checking out work of 340 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: the author Sterling Sea Grave, who claims the gold was 341 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:11,959 Speaker 1: secretly seized by the US government after the location was 342 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: discovered by interrogating and torturing uh yamashitas driver a major 343 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: Kojima Kashi. And then here's where Lansdale comes in. Apparently 344 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 1: he supervised the torture allegedly. Yeah, okay, he's a hardened mofo, 345 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 1: that's for sure. I mean, if he's hanging up dudes 346 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 1: by their toes and stabbing him in the side of 347 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: the neck and draining their blood and for the purposes 348 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 1: of spooking some enemy combatants, and then this guy could 349 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: probably do just about anything. How many um, I guess 350 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: folkloreic beliefs or mythological monsters. Do you think people honestly 351 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: believe in? Because I've heard in Iceland that people still 352 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:58,959 Speaker 1: believe in uh fairies or nos trolls. Maybe, yeah, maybe trolls. 353 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: I don't know. Um, I don't know. Man, like I 354 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 1: I I want to believe You're very molder about that. Yeah, 355 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: I know. I'm just moldy, um and and and sad 356 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: and beaten down by life. Ben. But no, man, I 357 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 1: don't know who are we to say? Who are we 358 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 1: to say that's that's a good question, um, And you 359 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: know what that makes me think of? You know the 360 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: people who are to say, wow is awkward. Let's do 361 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: the listener mail, Let's do it well. Dominic Allen has 362 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: this to say, Hello, Jents, just listen to your episode 363 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: on the naming of California, and you asked us to 364 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: tell you if we ever have seen a griffin. I 365 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: have seen part of one, rather own part of one. 366 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: Maybe this ties in beautifully with today's episode two. We 367 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 1: just asked a question, what mythological creatures do you believe in? 368 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 1: Dominic says he owns one. I shouldn't dilly dally and 369 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: explain myself in there was a man called John mannvel 370 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: Or was there who wrote a book called The Travels 371 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: of Sir John mannvel Or did he? In this travel book, 372 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 1: he visits Asia and talks about the weird and wonderful 373 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: people and creatures that live there, one of them being 374 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: a griffin. This is also one of the more boring creatures. 375 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: He talks about He states that griffins are from a 376 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: country called Baccaria, and had talents so long as the 377 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: quote or quote so long, and so large, on great 378 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: upon his feet, as though they were horns of great oxen, 379 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: or of bugles, or of kind, so that men make 380 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: cups of them to drink of. So what I meant 381 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 1: was I have a drinking horn which is made from 382 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: the supposed claw of a griffin. I interjected with that 383 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: supposed at least that's what I tell people. I'm part 384 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: of a fourteenth century living history group in England and 385 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: it is a great conversation piece, as drinking horns weren't 386 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: as popular in that time, but a griffin claw is 387 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: a fascinating thing. The travels of Sir John Manville could 388 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 1: be a good podcast topic. I agree the people in 389 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: the book are pretty ridiculous. Thanks for the podcast, look 390 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: forward to more as they come. Always be ridiculous, not 391 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: going to be a problem, Dominic out now. We literally 392 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 1: are are contractually alligated a kid doing this, like we 393 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: get in trouble if we don't. But also that's so amazing. 394 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: This really inspires me to ask more questions on the show, Dominic. 395 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: Thank you for also bonus points if you can send 396 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: us a picture. Man, Oh yeah, we'd love that. And 397 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,919 Speaker 1: I assume that you're not doing the fourteenth century living 398 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: history thing all the time, just because you did send 399 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: us an email. This arrived via email, not via uh 400 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: pigeon or parchment or a pigeon carry imparchment, But that's awesome. 401 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 1: I would love to see a picture of this drinking horn. 402 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 1: And I'm completely on board with the travels of Sir Mannville. 403 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: Our next listener mail is one that uh I, I 404 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: think both of us are really gonna dig. It is 405 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: from Darren T and it's titled hangus the Monkey. Hi, 406 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 1: says Darren. I listened from the start, but that's my 407 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: first time writing. I've just heard your recent podcast pasked 408 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 1: on the Heartletpool Monkey. I live in Thornaby on Tease, 409 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: ten miles up the road from Hartlepool, Heartlepool. He notes 410 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: his tea side, not time side, and he goes on 411 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: to say I was taught about this as a lesson 412 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 1: on propaganda and racism in primary school, showing how people 413 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: with nothing to go on but propaganda about how all 414 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 1: Frenchmen are short, wild and Harry can lead to this stuff. 415 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: Whether this is a true story or not, it works 416 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: as a great teaching tool, although I personally don't believe 417 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: it is true. I think it was just an excuse 418 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: for mocking nickname for people from the area. Here's the 419 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: part you like. Noal like Macum's, which are people from Sunderland, 420 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,199 Speaker 1: and Smoggy's, which are people from Middlesbrough. But it's a 421 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,400 Speaker 1: bit of fun. Thanks for the hours of entertainment, Darren. Ps. 422 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: You pronounced all the town side towns and cities correctly. 423 00:25:54,119 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: Thank you? Can Casey, can we get a Hallelujah clip o? Perfect? 424 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 1: So I gotta say, Darren, thank you for writing. I 425 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: am loving these very specific derogatory nicknames Mackam's, Smoggy's. Does 426 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: every town in England's have one of these? We don't 427 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: have anything like that for Atlanta. Guess I guess people 428 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: just say redneck, right, it's true. Well, maybe if you're listening, 429 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: you can suggest a cool mocking nickname for people from Atlanta. 430 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 1: I will say this about that episode. I do think 431 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: we kind of glossed over the fact that this was 432 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: an interesting teachable moment about racism and mothering and this 433 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 1: idea that this monkey supposedly was, you know, immediately identified 434 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: as being a Frenchman, and that was how Frenchmen were 435 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 1: depicted in these political cartoons of the time. So, you know, 436 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: I think there's a something to be said about that. 437 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: And I don't know if we mentioned this in the 438 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: episode either, but there is actually a play about the 439 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: Hartley Pool Monkey. I think we did, but it's if 440 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: we didn't describe it. It's so cool to look at 441 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: because it's this really amazing puppetry. I don't know if 442 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,719 Speaker 1: you're familiar with the play war Horse, Um, that's got 443 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: this amazing like multi layered, uh puppetry sculpture kind of stuff, 444 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: and that's what the Harleypool Monkey play is about. And 445 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 1: it does kind of take a little liberty and talk 446 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: more about that, like the way we treat immigrants and 447 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: things like that, and so it's it's a there's a 448 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: kind of a twofold story there. And thank you again 449 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: to Dominic and Darren for writing in. Thank you, fellow 450 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: ridiculous historians for giving us a listen to day. While 451 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: we're thanking people, let's go ahead and thank our super producer, 452 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 1: Casey Pegram. Thanks also to our research associates, Eves Jeff's 453 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: Code who helped us out with this one. H and 454 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: also Christopher Haciotis, who continues to be a mensch and 455 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: we love him dearly and I think we might actually 456 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: have him on. We might have him on for an episode. Yeah, 457 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: he's he's coming back. It's over to Uh thanks to 458 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 1: Alex Williams who composed our theme, and UH thanks to 459 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: thanks to Jonathan Strickland ak the Quister for not showing 460 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 1: up on this episode. I have a feeling we haven't 461 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 1: seen the last of him. I hear that laugh in 462 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: the distance and I don't think it's Casey piping it 463 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: through the headphones. It haunts me a night man. Yes, 464 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: and speaking of haunting, we want to hear some of 465 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: your favorite ridiculous historical events involving the supernatural or allegations thereof. 466 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: You can tell us about these on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter, 467 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 1: and we particularly like to give a shout out to 468 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 1: our Ridiculous Historians Facebook page. It's one of the classiest 469 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: joints on the Internet. Yeah, and when one last little plug, 470 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: Ben and I recently appeared on a three part episode 471 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: of Behind the Bastards, which is a really really amazing show. 472 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: Out of our l a wing hosted by Robert Evans, 473 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: who is just a cracker jack writer and researcher, and 474 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: he was kind enough slash sadistic enough to have you 475 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: and I on for a four hour podcast marathon about 476 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: the infamous Alex Jones. Yeah, it's a it's a great listen. 477 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: Robert's a great guy. It is not for children. There 478 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: is strong language. If you want to hear me and 479 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: Ben eff and and Jeffen, that's the place to do 480 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: it and mature themes. But that was a good shout. Yeah, 481 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: and follow behind the bastards. If you like us, you're 482 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: gonna really dig that show. It's true and all three 483 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: parts of that trifecta are out. Now. It's a lot. 484 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 1: It's a real commitment. It's a road trip. But yeah, 485 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: that's that's it. Man. Let's uh, let's try to continue 486 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: our habit of uh not desecrating corpses to win wars. Yeah, 487 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: not digging up pope corpses to make points. I don't know. 488 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: All right, Well, Halloween, y'all, not even telloween all year? 489 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: Send us Jesus