1 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: Is this a great game or what with the Hall 2 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: of Famer Tim Kirkshen. I'm his son, Jeff Kirkshon. Dad 3 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:14,319 Speaker 1: a snow day today on the day of recording. I mean, 4 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: I made it into work miraculously. But what a snow 5 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: we had on the East coast and across the country. 6 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 2: Yes, And Jeff, we're taping this at roughly one thirty 7 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 2: in the afternoon Eastern time, and the snowplow just came 8 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 2: down the street at our house. So I was pretty 9 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 2: much just trapped. I couldn't even get out of the driveway, 10 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 2: let alone drive up the street until basically one o'clock 11 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 2: in the afternoon on Monday, when the snow really hit 12 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:48,480 Speaker 2: late late Saturday night, early Sunday. Point is it's done. 13 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 2: Now I can get the car and I can go 14 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 2: do other things. Now I'm not I'm no longer trapped 15 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 2: in the house. I did go out and ask the 16 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 2: guy who's using the snowplow please, please, can you just 17 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 2: make sure you don't shove it right in front of 18 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 2: my driveway because I'll never get out. So, but that 19 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 2: was a strenuous few days there, Jeff, trying to get 20 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 2: through the snow. Did you have similar issues. 21 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: Oh, I plowed my driveway. By plowed, I mean shoveled 22 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: my driveway three times yesterday, salted in between each one. 23 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: And it made for a very very successful snow plowing. 24 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 1: I mean we got over thirteen inches where I lived, 25 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: so I mean it was a significant snow and made 26 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: for getting up and going to work this morning very difficult. 27 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 2: Dad. 28 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 1: While you were trapped, though, you gave yourself a project. 29 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: We have to patch you on the back for this. 30 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,479 Speaker 1: What did you do in your house when you couldn't leave? 31 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 2: Well, let's first talk about what I did outside the house. 32 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 2: I shoveled the driveway for a total of about six hours, 33 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 2: four different trips out there. But then then at four 34 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 2: o'clock on Sunday afternoon, a high school kid who I 35 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 2: don't know, came to the front door and said, can 36 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 2: I help you with your driveway and your walkway? And 37 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 2: I had already done a lot of it, but you know, 38 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 2: you do it and then an hour later you got 39 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 2: to do it again. So he charged me one hundred 40 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: and twenty five dollars, which was more than reasonable, I 41 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 2: felt like, and I was really encouraged Jeff that a 42 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,679 Speaker 2: high school kid would come to my door and say, 43 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 2: let me help you as long as you pay me, 44 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 2: and I was more than happy. I tipped him twenty 45 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 2: five dollars. He did a pretty good job, and now 46 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 2: I'm in a position where I didn't have to go 47 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 2: outside for a fifth time. 48 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: So and we welcomed that high schooler in today as 49 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: our guest. No, I'm just kidding. 50 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 2: We don't show him on. I was a producer. That 51 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 2: was the right thing to do. Dad. 52 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: You're sixty nine years old. For goodness sake, you're totally 53 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: allowed to pay a guy to do your walkway and 54 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: your driveway. 55 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 2: But I do agree with you. 56 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: I think it's commendable to have a kid at high 57 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: school are out there that wants to make some money 58 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: and take advantage of the snowstorm and make a couple 59 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: bucks instead of sitting inside on his phone or with 60 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: the video games, and do. 61 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 2: Some hard work, Jeff, because you know, our driveway is 62 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 2: a long driveway. I mean it took me. It took 63 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 2: me two hours to get from the garage door down 64 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 2: to the you know, just getting the snow off, and 65 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 2: then you have to do it again and again. All right, 66 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 2: the inside project, Jeff, This morning, after scraping trying to 67 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 2: scrape some ice off the driveway, I went in and 68 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 2: redid the pantry, which you know I love to do. 69 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 2: I just hate to be unorganized with food and everything else. 70 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 2: So I threw a bunch of stuff out, stuff that 71 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 2: we're probably never going to eat, and it looks great 72 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 2: and I'm really happy when I look in there. I'm 73 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 2: a very visual guy, Jeff. As you know, when you 74 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 2: look in there and you see that you know where 75 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 2: everything is, then that's a good feeling. Am I Am 76 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 2: I wrong about this? Do I take this too far? 77 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: No, you're absolutely not wrong, Dad. You're correct in your 78 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: love of a clean pantry. In fact, you facetimed me 79 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: and my daughter McKinley was talking with you, and then 80 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: you told us about it, and my wife perked up 81 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: and said, pop up, you did the pantry. These are 82 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: the things that she loves. This is our love language, right. 83 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 2: She's way better at it than I am. But I 84 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 2: spent about an hour and a half pulling everything out, 85 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 2: fumigating everything, putting it back in different places. So it's 86 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 2: just a different look. So it's so it's all good, 87 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 2: all good. The one thing about about the snow that 88 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 2: really hurt Jeff was. I was supposed to go to 89 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 2: Fantasy Camp for the Phillies in clear Water for one 90 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 2: day on Saturday, and I didn't get to go because 91 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 2: of the snow. I would have it would have taken 92 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 2: me at least two days to get home, and that 93 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 2: was unacceptable given what's going on at home, dogs, kids, house, snow, 94 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 2: everything else. So I was supposed to go there to 95 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 2: help honor Michael Brown, an als patient in the Philadelphia area, coach, basketball, coach, baseball, 96 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 2: great guy, and he won an award, the top the 97 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 2: Tug McGraw Inspirational Award at Fantasy Camp, so it was 98 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 2: a great thing for him. So Michael, congratulations for me again. 99 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. I couldn't make it, but snowstorm kept me. 100 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 2: My flight was canceled. I would have never gotten home, 101 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 2: so I had to do what I had to do. 102 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad that we were able to put together 103 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: a video for you congratulating him down at Fantasy Camp. 104 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 1: That was really special and I'm really glad. You know, Dad, 105 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: I love you, you know, I love you to death, 106 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: But you told me, hey, yeah, I'm gonna just send 107 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: him a video. I know how to do it on 108 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: my phone, and I stepped in and said, Dad, we can't. 109 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 1: We can't have you send a phone video because I 110 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: know the way the phone videos look that you try 111 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: to send, and it's mostly double chin film from down here. 112 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: Microphone is covered by a shirt or something. So we 113 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: stepped up and we did something here within our studio 114 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: that we record in in order for you to send 115 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: that over, which is good. In fact that I wanted 116 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: to tell you because we were facetiming today to see 117 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 1: your pantry. You know, there's a button on your phone 118 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: where you can switch instead of just turning your phone 119 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: to show me what you're looking at, you can switch 120 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: it so you can see you can use the other 121 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: camera on a FaceTime so you can see what the 122 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:34,119 Speaker 1: camera is seeing. 123 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 2: Does that make sense, Well, I did not know there 124 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 2: was such a function on the phone. 125 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: Commonly, when my dad will FaceTime, it'll be his screen 126 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: facing him, and then when he wants to show me something, 127 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: he'll just turn the whole phone around, and now he 128 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: can't see me and he can't see what the camera sees. 129 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 2: So it's like a little higher, little left, little right. 130 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: But there's a button that looks like a little reverse 131 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: sign with a camera where you can flip to show 132 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: the other camera, the one that's on the back of 133 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: your phone, so now you can see us and you 134 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: can see what you're seeing, so you can point the camera. 135 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 2: A little more accurately. Poor pop up Pop pop, Poor 136 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 2: pop pop is right. I did not know that jet, 137 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 2: but now I do. So you've challenged me to come 138 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 2: up with the all snow team since we're all snowed 139 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 2: in correct. So who was our first baseman? 140 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: First basement? You're starting at first base? 141 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 2: Uh? JT Snow? Yes, of course I got to do it. JT. 142 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 2: Snow is the obvious. He's the captain of the team. 143 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 2: The catcher is a guy named sled Allen. He played 144 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 2: one year in nineteen ten. I never thought I'd fight 145 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 2: a guy named Slied, but he is the catcher. Chip 146 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 2: Hale is at second base. David Freeze is at shortstop. 147 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 2: Perfect a lot of guys named White. We needed that 148 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 2: because that's what Snow is now. White was much more 149 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 2: Roy White all those guys. But I needed a shortstop. 150 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,559 Speaker 2: So there was a guy named Bill White that played 151 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 2: shortstop a long long time ago. Chili Davis, one outfielder 152 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 2: Bill Good, Matt Winters another outfielder, and this is my 153 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 2: favorite one, Jeff, I was looking for someone named, you know, 154 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 2: ski or skates or something like that, skate. So I 155 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 2: hit skates on Baseball Reference. I'm not making this up. 156 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 2: He hit skates and Lonnie Smith's name came up. Lonnie 157 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 2: Smith was a really good player for and played in 158 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 2: a bunch of World Series for a bunch of different teams. 159 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 2: He could hit. He was a left fielder, but his 160 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 2: nickname was Skates because he always looked kind of uncertain 161 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 2: on his feet, like he was on skates all the time. 162 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 2: So I just hit skates and up came Lonnie Smith's name. 163 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 2: How about that? That is so perfect? Yeah, I love that. 164 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 2: So that was my outfield. My pitching staff is Storm Davis, 165 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 2: I covered with the Orioles, Rich Gayal, Dave Frost, and 166 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,839 Speaker 2: one of my favorite nicknames of all time, Icebox Chamberlain, 167 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 2: who pitched in the eighteen hundreds, Elton Icebox Chamberlain. He 168 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 2: was a very good pitcher. So that is our all 169 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 2: snow team. Snow Cold Team. Agreed sounds okay, I mean. 170 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: I think that's great. I was trying to try to 171 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: add as best as I could, but I felt like 172 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: I kept falling into like like Christmas themed right like 173 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,599 Speaker 1: I came up with, you know, Steve Christmas. 174 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 2: I am not we're going to work, but we already 175 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 2: did that. Jeff, this has to be specific to snow 176 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 2: and cold and trapped and all that stuff. So I did, 177 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 2: you challenged me. I did the best I could. 178 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: So well, if you ever have a suggestion for a team, tim, 179 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: you can let us know. Great game or what dot com. 180 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: That is our website, and hey, we're also trying to 181 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: grow our YouTube account. Every single episode that you listen 182 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: to right now, he's on YouTube, every single one we've 183 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: ever done since the first one of season one. And boy, 184 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: ol boy, did we not know what we were doing 185 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: back in that first episode. You gotta go watch it. 186 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 2: If you haven't, Like we know what we're doing now, 187 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 2: I'm not so sure. Jeff. 188 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: Yes, so I follow us on YouTube. You can look 189 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: it up great game or what is the tag? 190 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,839 Speaker 2: Speaking of that? Joe Ostermeier, who's our one of our 191 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 2: really loyal listeners and a really smart guy, an old 192 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 2: guy like me who thinks of some odd things. So 193 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 2: he texted me and said, since we have so many 194 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 2: one and done's with the Hall of Fame. The Hall 195 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 2: of Fame is still kind of on our mind. It 196 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 2: was about a week ago. So many guys get on 197 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 2: the ballot once and then they're done. He said you 198 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 2: should do an all one and done team, and he 199 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 2: was absolutely right. So I'm going to start with our 200 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 2: catcher's Bill Freehand, who played mostly sixties and seventies. Jeff, 201 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 2: I'm telling you, I grew up watching him play. He's 202 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 2: one of the great defensive catchers ever in a very 203 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 2: underrated offensive player. He's our catcher. And I say that 204 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,319 Speaker 2: because Ted Simmons would normally be our catcher, but we're 205 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 2: going to use him as our designated hitter again, Jeff. 206 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 2: Ted Simmons got less than five percent on the ballot 207 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 2: his first time and dropped off, And now he's in 208 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame because he got under two special committees, 209 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 2: one of which I served on and the second one 210 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 2: voted him in. So it gives hope to those who 211 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 2: get less than five percent and still can end up 212 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame because someone just might have 213 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 2: been lost in the shuffle or there were more than 214 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 2: ten players who were Hall of Famers in one year 215 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 2: and guys got left behind, so the rest of the 216 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,439 Speaker 2: team is pretty darn good. Jeff. Now, I'm not suggesting 217 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 2: all these guys are Hall of Famers, but they sure 218 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 2: have a case more than one time on the ballot 219 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 2: and then off. Lou Whittaker second base, another second basement. 220 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,599 Speaker 2: I just have to add Bobby Gritch. My goodness, I 221 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 2: grew up watching him play, and there people think he's 222 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 2: a Hall of Famer, and he lasted one year and 223 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 2: was gone. Shortstop a little harder to find, you know, 224 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 2: Hanley Ramirez, Troy Tulowitzki, and neither one of them is 225 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 2: a Hall of Famer, but they only had one time 226 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 2: and then they were off. Buddy Bell, who I covered 227 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 2: with the Rangers, is our third baseman, one of the 228 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,839 Speaker 2: great defensive third baseman I've ever seen, and got twenty 229 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 2: five hundred hits one and done. The outfield. Jeff is 230 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 2: really strong. I mean Lance Berkman, who I think is 231 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 2: a Hall of Famer, Jim Edmonds who's got some pretty 232 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 2: good numbers. And Kenny Lofton, who was doing things in 233 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 2: the mid eighties and nineties with the with the then 234 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 2: Indians that you know, no one had done since I 235 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 2: cop he was a very very good player. So that's 236 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 2: my outfield. What do you think of that? What do 237 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 2: you think of it so far? 238 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: I mean I definitely heard a lot of I think 239 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: should be Hall of famers on that list. What a 240 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: great idea from one of our listeners. 241 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 2: That's so Joe Austemeier, great idea. Our picture is Johann Santana, 242 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 2: who we mentioned last week, what had a really good career, 243 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,839 Speaker 2: but one and done. And Joe Nathan who saved over 244 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 2: three hundred games. Is was a one and done closer 245 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 2: and just shows you that even though you're not a 246 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 2: Hall of Famer, you deserve more certain years than just 247 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 2: one time on the ballot and then you're gone. So 248 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 2: that's my all one and done Hall of Fame team. 249 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 2: Sound okay? 250 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,199 Speaker 1: Sounds great to me, Dad, And as always, give your 251 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: suggestions great game or what dot com? You can message 252 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: us directly and we'll get back to you. What there's 253 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 1: some takeaways going on, Dad. 254 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 2: Well, there aren't too many, Jeff. We're still in the 255 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 2: middle of the winter and you know spring training's coming. 256 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 2: We still got big signings. We've got to be careful 257 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 2: with breaking news. But the Guardians extended Jose Ramirez through 258 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 2: twenty thirty two. And what a great move that is 259 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 2: for Ramirez, but more important, what a great move it 260 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 2: is for the Guardians. This guy is thirty three years old, Jeff, 261 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 2: he is on his way to the Hall of Fame 262 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 2: and being extended through twenty thirty two. He's gonna he's 263 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 2: gonna put up. He's going to rack up some more 264 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 2: numbers that's going to land him in the Hall of 265 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 2: Fame with relative ease. You know, he's got a second 266 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 2: in the MVP already. He's got three third place finishes, 267 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 2: a fourth, and a five. I mean, that's pretty darn 268 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 2: good for a guy who hasn't won the MVP. He's 269 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 2: been awfully close so many times. He has the most 270 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 2: close finishes without winning an MVP of any active player, 271 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 2: tied for the most. So that's Jose Ramirez and Jeff 272 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 2: just a final word on him. He plays the game 273 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 2: the right way I'm talking. He never ever gives up 274 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 2: in a bat He never not hustles. Tony LaRussa once 275 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 2: told me, when your best guy is also your best player, 276 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 2: that's when you have made and that's who Jose Ramirez is. 277 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 2: And he runs hard to first every time because he 278 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 2: knows a it's the right thing to do and be 279 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 2: everybody's watching, and if the star player on the team 280 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 2: doesn't run hard, the rest of the guys are going 281 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 2: to say, I don't have to either. So he sets 282 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 2: a really good example. 283 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: Give me some other examples of that, Dad, where the 284 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: best guy is the best player. Ones that come to 285 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: mind for me. 286 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 2: Cal Yeah, although you know Eddie Murray was a great 287 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 2: player with the Orioles when Cal Junior was there. I mean, 288 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 2: Kirby Kirby Puckett with the Twins was always always fit 289 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 2: the category best guy on the team, best player on 290 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 2: the team, Mike Trout, Mike Trout, certainly, Derek Jeter. I mean, 291 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 2: there are a lot of guys like this. I mean 292 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 2: that's not to say people I don't meant weren't the 293 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 2: best guy on the team. But you know, Aaron Judge 294 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 2: with the Aaron j perfect example, guy who conducts himself, 295 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 2: comports himself the way a big league is supposed to. 296 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 2: And obviously he's not just the best player on the team, 297 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 2: he's the best player in the whole league. That's how 298 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 2: I look at it. So that those are just a 299 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 2: couple of quick takeaways. 300 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: On this state in baseball history, Dad, what do you have? 301 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 2: Well? On this date? In nineteen eighty two, one of 302 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 2: the biggest, most lopsided trades of all time. Ryan Sandberg 303 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 2: and Larry Boa were sent from the Phillies to the 304 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 2: Cubs for Evan DeJesus, who was a pretty good shortstop. 305 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 2: But you know, of course, Samberg became one of the 306 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 2: great Cubs ever Hall of Fame second baseman, one of 307 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 2: the great defensive second basement of all time, the late 308 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 2: Ryan Samberg. But my goodness, what a great thing. And 309 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 2: I told you, Jeff. When he got to the Cubs, 310 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 2: Jim Fry was the manager of the team, and he 311 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 2: told him, look, I want you to learn how to 312 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 2: pull the ball, because you're strong, but you need to 313 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 2: learn how to pull the ball. So he had Ryan 314 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 2: Sandberg's rhino told me this, and he had him just 315 00:16:55,680 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 2: intentionally during batting practice, lining balls over the third based dugout, 316 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 2: just to get in the habit of trying to get 317 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 2: that bad head out in front and learn how to 318 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 2: pull them. So he just routinely with yank balls into 319 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 2: the stands over the third base dugout in order to 320 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 2: get that mindset going. We don't teach stuff like that anymore. 321 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 2: But it sure worked from Ryan Sandberg because he ended 322 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 2: up being MVP in nineteen eighty four forty home run 323 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 2: season and to repeat, a great base runner and one 324 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 2: of the best defensive second basemen ever. So that was 325 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 2: on this date in nineteen eighty two. On this date 326 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy eight, Angel Barrowa was born. Pretty good 327 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 2: short stuff. Now, we had Harold Reynolds on you know 328 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 2: how much we love Harold Reynolds Betty Man's lap. Look, 329 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 2: we've all been through this a guys who've been on TV. Okay, 330 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 2: we've all wasn't even a mistake. It was just he 331 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 2: just blocked out for a minute and he was trying 332 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 2: to talk about the shortstop for the Royals. This is many, many, 333 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 2: many years ago, and he couldn't remember Angel Barrowa's last name, 334 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 2: so he called him, well, you know, Angel, you know 335 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 2: my man. He couldn't remember. So for the like the 336 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 2: next three years, every time Angel Borrow's name came up 337 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 2: in the highlights, car Ravaged or or Herold Revers would say, 338 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 2: and here comes Angel, my man, because we forgot Agel 339 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 2: Burrow's name briefly, which everybody's done that, Jeff. I told 340 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 2: you when I first started doing TV, I had to 341 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 2: do something for CNNSI and I had to do the 342 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 2: talk about the expansion Draft in which the Diamondbacks and 343 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 2: the Devil Rays were formed. So I have to do that, 344 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 2: and I've just started doing TV. I have no idea 345 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 2: what I'm doing. So I do this like really quick 346 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 2: three minute thing whatever, and I talk about the Diamondbacks, 347 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 2: and then I have to talk about the Devil Rays, 348 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 2: and right there on live TV, I just I just 349 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 2: completely zoned out, and I couldn't think of the Devil 350 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 2: Rays name. I couldn't think of the name of the team. 351 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 2: So there I am, and I've just started doing television. 352 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 2: I'm forty years old. I have no idea what's going on. 353 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 2: And I it took me a good four seconds to 354 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 2: come up with the name the Devil Rays. There was 355 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 2: this incredible pause, felt like four minutes. You've been there, right, Jack, 356 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 2: For four. 357 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: Seconds in live TV or radio is like it's death 358 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: an hour, an hour awful. 359 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 2: So I somehow got through and I remembered Devil Rays. 360 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 2: I finished the report, and I expected my producer to 361 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 2: look at me, going what happened. How could you forget that? 362 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 2: That was the stupidest thing I've ever seen. He never 363 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 2: said a word, either he wasn't paying attention, or it 364 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,199 Speaker 2: wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it was. Trust me, 365 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,719 Speaker 2: it was as bad as I thought it was. And 366 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 2: I vowed ever since to never ever let that happen again. 367 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,959 Speaker 2: That was bad. So Angel my man was born on 368 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 2: this date in nineteen seventy eight. Okay man picks it up, 369 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:02,959 Speaker 2: throws it over. Let's see if you can remember this 370 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 2: one Jeff nineteen eighty three, Gavin Floyd was born. Now, 371 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 2: you know how much I love these pitching matchups that 372 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 2: we have. You know when Matt Cain, you know we 373 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 2: had the Nova Caine matchup, Diamond Sale, all these things 374 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 2: where Mason Dixon. I just love to line things up. 375 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 2: So one time, Gavin Floyd more than once faced Brian Banister. 376 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 2: So the matchup was Floyd Banister and Brian Banister's father 377 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 2: is Floyd, who pitched in the Major League. So I 378 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 2: got such a kick out of that that there was 379 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 2: a Floyd Banister matchup, and that's the name of the 380 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 2: father of one of the pitchers. And I told Floyd 381 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 2: I ran into Floyd Banister, you know, like a year 382 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,360 Speaker 2: after this happened, and I told him about it. He goes, oh, 383 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 2: I'm well aware of it. I was reading what you 384 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 2: wrote all this stuff, so he actually paid attention to it. 385 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 2: He was great. So yes, Floyd Banister. And that was 386 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 2: Gavin Floyd born on this date in nineteen eighty three, 387 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 2: and last one Jeff on this date in twenty thirteen. 388 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 2: Chuck Hinton died. And Chuck Hinton played for the Washington 389 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 2: Senators and outfielder when I grew up, and he in 390 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 2: nineteen sixty two he had three ten and came out 391 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 2: of nowhere and had a great year. And he later 392 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 2: became the coach at Howard University. And you know, Uncle 393 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 2: Andy and Uncle Matt played at Catholic University and Howard 394 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 2: and Catholic Boy, they went at it a whole bunch 395 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 2: of times. So Uncle Matt, late Uncle Matt, he was 396 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 2: such a scrappy little guy that when he liked to 397 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 2: get off the bench in between innings and get as 398 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 2: close to home plate as he could to watch what 399 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 2: the pitcher had. Now, this is probably not something that 400 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 2: you should be doing unless you're the on deck hitter. 401 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 2: Uncle Matt would do this routine. So finally one of 402 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 2: the Howard pictures had had enough and he threw it 403 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 2: at Matt while he was like twenty five feet from 404 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 2: home plate, just trying to get a look at it. 405 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 2: So Chuck, Chuck Hinton was the coach at Howard, and 406 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 2: Matt told me once he said that Chuck Hitten went 407 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 2: to Matt and said, Mattie, boy, they just don't understand you, 408 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 2: like they don't understand that you are trying to get 409 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 2: an edge. What you're doing is not illegal. It may 410 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 2: not be the right thing to do or anything right. 411 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 2: You're just trying to get better. That's what Uncle Matt 412 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 2: was always trying to do. So I have a real 413 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 2: soft spot in my heart for Chuck Hinton, who again 414 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 2: I watched growing up at least when I was a 415 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 2: very young boy. And then he was the coach at 416 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 2: Howard who coached against Uncle Andy and Uncle Matt. So 417 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 2: that's what happened on this date in baseball history. 418 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 1: All right, Dad, let's head into the basement for three 419 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: cards from the bathroom. 420 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 2: What do you have this week? 421 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: So you've taken these cards out of the basement bathroom, 422 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: and what are we looking at all right? 423 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 2: Number one is Rick Dempsey who I covered with the Orioles. 424 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 2: He was a great defensive catcher. Mike Flannagan, the late 425 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 2: great Mike Flanning, used to tell me that Rick Dempsey 426 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 2: presented the greatest target of any catcher he's ever seen. 427 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 2: And he explained me, this is what he did. It 428 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 2: was such a small difference, but he just presented it 429 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 2: so the pitcher could really see it. And they love 430 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 2: to throw to Rick Dempsey because a was a great 431 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 2: defensive catcher and he presented this great target. And of 432 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 2: course he played on the World Championship Orioles in eighty three, 433 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 2: World Championship Dodgers in nineteen eighty eight. And I'll never forget. 434 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 2: He was in his early sixties, Rick Dempsey, former catcher, 435 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 2: doing broadcasting for the Orioles. And they had a big 436 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 2: guy named Daniel Cabrera who was like six eight six' 437 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 2: nine and he threw really really, hard had no idea 438 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 2: where the ball was. Going And Rick dempsey caught him 439 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 2: in the bullpen in his. Sixties the guy throwing close 440 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 2: to one hundred miles an, hour, wow with violent stuff 441 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 2: and without very much. Control AND i Said, demper what 442 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 2: did you get your full year? On oh, no, no, NO 443 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,959 Speaker 2: i just put a mask, on that's. All and oh my, Gosh, 444 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 2: jeff does that surprise you at all that a sixty 445 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 2: year old man could catch a twenty five year old 446 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 2: thrown one hundred miles an. 447 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 1: Hour you, Know, dad baseball players are built. DIFFERENT i 448 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: firmly believe. That and to, me that reminds me Of 449 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: Uncle matt aforementioned right like he was not afraid of. 450 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: Anything he wasn't even a, catcher but he's not afraid of. 451 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: Anything he would do. 452 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 2: Anything. Right, well let me make. Production WHEN i Asked Rick 453 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 2: dempsey about, THAT i, Said, demper how could you do? 454 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 2: That and he, said, listen no pitch has ever been 455 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 2: thrown in A ma game THAT i haven't seen, before 456 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 2: AND i am incapable of catching. It he, said at age, 457 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,880 Speaker 2: SIXTY i could catch in the major. Leagues right, now he, 458 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 2: SAID i couldn't. THROW i won't be able to walk 459 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 2: the next. Day but if you're asking, me at age, 460 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 2: sixty COULD i get behind home plate and catch the 461 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,439 Speaker 2: ball thrown from the. Pitcher, YES i could do that 462 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 2: virtually every. Time and THEN i went To Ted simmons 463 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 2: who we mentioned earlier in the show and, said this 464 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 2: is What Rick dempsey, did And Ted, simmons the most 465 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 2: modest man in the, world, said, YEAH i could do 466 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 2: the same. THING i couldn't throw anyone. Out it would kill. 467 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 2: Me but the point, is when you are a, Catcher, 468 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 2: jeff and you've caught that many games in your, life 469 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 2: and you've seen that many, pitches the actual catching of 470 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 2: the ball is not that hard to, do but only 471 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 2: because you're a. Catcher the rest of us wouldn't catch 472 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 2: one of, them and they could catch all of, them 473 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 2: even in their. 474 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: SIXTIES i love the okay built, Differently, dad who do 475 00:25:59,280 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 1: you have? 476 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 2: Next this Is Rob. Dibble Rob dibble was one of 477 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 2: the really dominant hard throwing relievers in the major, leagues 478 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 2: one of the nasty boys for The Cincinnati reds in 479 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,919 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety the, champion and he worked with us AT. 480 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 2: ESPN i worked right next To Rob dibble many, times 481 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 2: and he was a tough. GUY i gotta be careful 482 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 2: HOW i tell this, Story, jeff but there was an 483 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 2: incident where retribution was. Needed i'm not even going to 484 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 2: go into the particulars, HERE i just BECAUSE i don't 485 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 2: want anyone to get embarrassed or anything. Else Rob dibble 486 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 2: AND i were doing the show and the pitcher who 487 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 2: was supposed to be going after the hitter and hit 488 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 2: him intentionally because that's how they did it back. Then 489 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 2: he didn't throw it at the hitter and he got 490 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 2: away with. It And Rob, DIBBLE i have never seen 491 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 2: a player off the field be that angry about. Anything 492 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 2: that guy had a job to do and he didn't 493 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 2: do his. Job when one of your guys gets, hit 494 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 2: you have an a responsibility to the guy who got 495 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,479 Speaker 2: hit and to every one of your teammates to hit that. 496 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 2: Guy he was, furious and then he took that same 497 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,439 Speaker 2: anger onto the. Air i've never seen anything quite like. 498 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 2: It just another, Reminder jeff how intense the game, is 499 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 2: especially when it was played back. Then does that make sense? 500 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,479 Speaker 1: TOTALLY i feel like baseball similar to basketball in that. 501 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: SENSE i feel like the game has changed from the intensity, 502 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 1: standpoint AND i get it it's a safety thing for the, 503 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 1: players but it's just you're just not seeing those, players 504 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: the takeout slides and the collisions at home and all 505 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: of the hitting players and the justice at the. PLATE i, 506 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 1: mean Tell, Dad i'm blanking, completely but tell me again 507 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:50,439 Speaker 1: your favorite revenge. Story it was a pitcher who was 508 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 1: one out away from a bonus or from something and, said, 509 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: YEAH i got or you had a no hitter going 510 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 1: help me, here all? 511 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 2: Right my favorite retribution story Involved Ed. Farmer Ed, farmer 512 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 2: the Late Ed, farmer one of the funniest People i've 513 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 2: ever met and a really Good major league. Pitcher, well 514 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 2: he gave up a home run To Wayne gross And 515 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 2: Wayne gross took his sweet time running around the. Basis 516 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 2: so Now ed is. Furious But ed is a relief, 517 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 2: pitcher an itinerant relief pitcher who's moving, along And Wayne 518 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,199 Speaker 2: gross wasn't exactly going to be there every day the 519 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 2: next time they saw. Him so the next time he 520 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 2: Faces Wayne gross because he never had a chance to get. 521 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 2: Retribution they were teammates in spring, trading And Wayne gross 522 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 2: comes to the plate And Ed farmer hit his own 523 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 2: teammate right in the middle of the, back And Wayne 524 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 2: gross screams That Ed farmer his. Teammate what's that for? 525 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 2: It he, goes that was three years. Ago that's how 526 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 2: things used to be. Done. Jeff Now i'm not saying 527 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 2: that's a that it was right or THAT i encourage. 528 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 2: That i'm just telling you that's how things used to be, 529 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 2: done and we don't do stuff like that very often. 530 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 2: Anymore is that the? Story have you heard that story from? 531 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: Me, Yeah i've heard that story from. You that's not 532 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: the ONE i was thinking. Of BUT i love that, 533 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: story so don't stress about. 534 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 2: It i'm sure there are. Others we only need time 535 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 2: for one. Retribution third one Is David. Wells David wells 536 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 2: was a really Good Major league pitcher for a lot 537 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 2: of different, teams and of course he threw a perfect. 538 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 2: Game david was a different cat in a good. Way 539 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 2: he was a, big heavy set kind of. Guy, JEFF 540 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 2: i saw him dunk a basketball, once so don't ever 541 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 2: tell me that these big. Fat he wasn't. Fat he was. 542 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 2: Big he was a little portly that he wasn't athletic 543 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 2: because he could really feel his position and he could 544 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 2: dunk a basketball. Easily. Well he also pitched a perfect 545 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 2: game for The yankees. Ones and he was such a free. 546 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 2: Spirit we can't get away with. Anymore he, said, YEAH i. 547 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 2: RETIRED i knocked down twenty seven straight, hitters and then 548 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 2: after the GAME i went down and knocked down twenty 549 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 2: Seven hindi kinds to. Celebrate so that Was David wells for. 550 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 2: You they don't make them like that, anymore. Unfortunately. 551 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: Yeah do you think you've had twenty Seven heinekens in your? 552 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 2: Lifetime? No, no absolutely no more of an actual light, guy, 553 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 2: yeah Bud, Light Miller. Light. YEAH i can't drink anything that's. 554 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 2: HEAVY i. Can't i'm just too. Weak i'm too, small 555 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 2: And i'm too much of a. Whimp all, right what 556 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 2: do we got, Now? Jeff we Got we've also got 557 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 2: our weekly what what's it called? Again from From burley To? 558 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: Behemoth our countdown or count up from fifty six to ninety. 559 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: Nine the best players to wear each of those, numbers 560 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: Mark burley being fifty six ninety, nine while we'll get 561 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: there The. Behemoth So, dad we're on number fifty nine. 562 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 2: Now all, Right So i'm going With Johan duran now 563 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 2: closer for The. Phillies now we have some other. Guys 564 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 2: Luke boy wore, briefly But duran's only war number fifty, 565 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 2: nine you, Know Roberto, kelly some others wore fifty, nine 566 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 2: but this is the only number he's. Worn he's got 567 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 2: ninety career. Saves he throws really really, Hard And, jeff 568 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 2: this is where people just forget how hard people. Throw. 569 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 2: TODAY i did a game on the radio In houston 570 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 2: maybe three years, ago And johann duran came in and 571 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 2: was throwing so. HARD i was literally like flinching upstairs 572 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 2: in the in the broadcast. Booth what if he misses? 573 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 2: Location what if he hits? Somebody what if he hit 574 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 2: somebody in the. Head so after the, Game i'm walking 575 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 2: out of the ballpark minute made, ballpark whatever it's called 576 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 2: In houston, now And Jeff blum was. There Jeff blum 577 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 2: had just called a major league game LIKE i, did 578 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 2: and he was a good major league hitter in his, 579 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 2: day a good major hit. Her and he looked at 580 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 2: me on the way out and he, SAID i am 581 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 2: So i'm so happy That i'm, retired because he didn't 582 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 2: want any part of facing somebody who's a little bit 583 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 2: wild throwing that. Hard so that's who's my Greatest number 584 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 2: fifty nine Is Johann. 585 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: Durant excellent, Job. Dad we'll be back with you next 586 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 1: week with a brand new. Episode for, NOW i have 587 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: a puzzle that is calling my name that we started 588 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: yesterday during the big snow. Storm our daughter is, napping 589 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: so it's time to do some puzzling. That what do 590 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: you think about? 591 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 2: That, Well, jeff you know some people are good at. 592 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 2: Puzzles my spatial relations there's something wrong with. ME i 593 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 2: just can't see things Like i'm supposed. To. Geometry had 594 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 2: a lot of, trouble you, know, direction seeing where things 595 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 2: go In i've proven how BAD i am at. This 596 00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 2: So Carson, keinahan your godson just turned. Five he AND, 597 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 2: i he AND i did a puzzle of, something you, 598 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 2: know like superheroes or something like. That. Jeff there were 599 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 2: forty eight pieces to the, puzzle forty eight like some 600 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 2: of them were as big as my, hand, Okay and 601 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 2: it took me With carson Seld an hour to do 602 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 2: a forty to do a forty eight piece, Puzzle. 603 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: Jeff's average more than a minute a. 604 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 2: Piece, jeff it was so. Embarrassing it took me for 605 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 2: AND i kept, saying, wow that maybe. That And i've 606 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 2: got a picture of the puzzle AND i couldn't figure 607 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 2: out does this go? Here does it go? Where where's the? 608 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 2: End what is the? Trim? Oh poor pop? UP i 609 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 2: felt so. 610 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: Bad, emily how many pieces in that puzzle on that. 611 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 2: Box what does it say. 612 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: We're working within a thousand piece? 613 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 2: Puzzle then Thousand, jeff forty eight. Pieces it took me an. 614 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 2: Hour carson helped me more THAN i helped. Him, yeah if. 615 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: You were doing this, one you'd probably get it done 616 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 1: by your seventy fifth, Birthday, Jeff jeff. 617 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 2: OVER i overuse the word. Tedious, jeff, Okay settlers Of 618 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 2: catan Tdios. Okay putting together a thousand piece jigsaw puzzle 619 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 2: is the personification of. Tedious AM i wrong about? 620 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: THIS i enjoy. It it relaxes me BECAUSE i am like, 621 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,760 Speaker 1: YOU i go, go go. Go so doing a puzzle 622 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 1: allows me to stop and just focus on anything but. Nothing, 623 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 1: really it's just the. PUZZLE i put my phone. AWAY 624 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,319 Speaker 1: i don't have to worry about a. PODCAST i don't 625 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: have to worry about you, know my, daughter she's taking a, 626 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: nap my wife's, happy everybody's. 627 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:49,359 Speaker 2: Good, tedious, yes BUT i love it all. Right, well 628 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 2: good luck with the, Puzzle. Jeff stay, warm get that driveway, 629 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 2: finished even though you can drive in and. OUT i 630 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 2: got to go out and scrape up some more ice 631 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 2: off of my. Driveway but we're all, good all, Right? 632 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 1: Dad, well great, episode don't forget to follow us wherever you're, 633 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,839 Speaker 1: listening and also on YouTube and on social media at 634 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 1: great game or. What thanks for, listening that's. Always thanks 635 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 1: for being a part of our. Family