WEBVTT - Ep. 124: Live from Columbus 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.320 This is the me Eater podcast coming at you, shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:18.320 bug bitten, and in my case, underwear lessening past. You 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:32.400 can't predict anything. Welcome to the summer, souls now in. 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:34.840 In a lot of indigenous cultures, to night, you would 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:38.800 have a ceremony in order to get the sun headed 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:43.519 back in a southerly direction. And Kevin Murphy, since we're 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:45.160 not gonna all get up and dance in the counter 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:49.720 class direction around a large sun dial, Kevin Murphy is 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:53.479 going to rip on his horn that he uses to 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:56.560 alert squirrels to his presence. But this is gonna send 0:00:56.600 --> 0:01:00.360 the sun back south and we will be honoring some souls. 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:03.000 Hold on, Kevin. Keego is just a little more background 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:05.080 because Steve didn't do a Justine City that you just 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:11.000 alert squirrels. Use the MICUs to Mike, use the mic Mike. 0:01:12.600 --> 0:01:14.640 Every hunt that I tried to do, even fishing, we 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:17.640 go out, we always sound the horn, tell all the 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:21.679 critters that were coming, and it's their chance to get away. 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:24.520 If they don't and they get killed, get start falling. 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:30.600 So here we go. So you guys maybe could leave 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:55.800 if you want to take so. Well done, Let's hunt, Uh, 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:58.040 it just lapps that three of us are from one 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:00.240 state to the north, you guys in Michigan, and in 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:04.280 Michigan we always um look down and laugh at you guys, 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:09.200 But it's that. It's that for you might think, because um, 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:13.280 you guys know the Toledo the Toledo Strip, right, So 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:15.760 years ago we were trying to sort out who what 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:19.000 state got what chunk of ground and we weren't quite 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:22.359 sure how the landscape was laid out and where the 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:36.720 lakes were. What's that I don't know, Jake gone now 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:39.680 was gone? So years ago when we're trying to figure 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:41.639 out like what state's got what chunk of ground, right, 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:44.600 and we weren't clear on how the lakes were shaped out, 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:48.040 Ohio on Michigan got in this big pissing match over 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:51.400 this little teeny five mile wide strip the landing now 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:55.679 includes Toledo. And it got so bad that we sent 0:02:55.960 --> 0:03:00.080 our military, like state militias to go up and it 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:03.200 ready to square off over what became the Toledo Strip. 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:06.240 And um, some people call the Bloodless War. But there 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:09.360 was actually one guy whose first name was Too who 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:12.160 stabbed another man with a pen knife and drew blood 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:14.000 on him. So it was not a bloodless war between 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:17.200 my home state and the people of Ohio. And then 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:19.640 they brought someone too, They brought someone into arbitrate the 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:22.119 whole thing. And the person looked and says, Okay, here's 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:25.560 we're gonna do. We're gonna give Michigan the up it's 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:28.840 up for peninsula, and we'll give Ohio this little strip 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:31.239 of land. And everyone in Michigan was passed. They thought 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:32.640 was a raw deal. But then all of a sudden 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:35.360 they discovered all the copper and iron ore they came 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:37.760 out of the up and we realized that the last 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:40.800 laugh was on you guys. And then if you factor 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:42.480 in how much fishing game I pulled out of the 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:44.600 Upper Peninsula over the years, and back to that into 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:46.360 all the iron ore that came out of that place, 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:49.680 you see that we got a pretty sweet deal. But 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:52.880 I do now. And then uh come up into Ohio 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:55.200 or down into Ohio. And I was gonna tell about 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:57.240 one time I came here. So how many you guys 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:01.760 have heard of the Serpent Mound. Okay, so it's in 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:04.320 people's Ohio and it's like, you know, some of the 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:08.320 some of the Native American cultures around the turn of 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:10.920 like the eight years. In the BC years, we're into 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:14.480 this practice of building these large earthen effigy mountains in 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:16.920 the shapes of animals. So there's turtles and bears and 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:19.840 all manner of creatures. But the Serpent Mountains one of 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:22.360 the biggest ones on where they built a coiled snake 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:26.200 that's four hundred and fifty yards long. It's anywhere from 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:28.560 a few feet high there's one ft high. People didn't 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:30.480 even realize it was there until, you know, one day 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:33.320 some guys started putting together that stretching out through the 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:36.560 landscape was this giant snake and people's ohio. And it's 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:39.880 got a coiled tail, and its mouth is a gap, 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:42.360 and in its mouth is the thing that everybody tries 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:44.400 to debate, like what is it? What is the thing 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:46.720 that its mouth is wrapped around, Like what does it symbolize? 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:49.880 And some people feel that maybe it's an egg, that 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:52.480 the snake is swallowing an egg, And some people feel 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:55.839 that maybe the snake is swallowing the sun and it 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:58.440 has something to do with the solar phases. So I 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:00.760 think that's like kind of a over here for today 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:03.360 being the solstice. But one time I was I wanted 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:05.480 to come up and see the Serpent Mount and from 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:08.120 the direction I was coming from, I was coming up 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:10.880 from West Virginia. I remember driving through West Virginia and 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:13.760 saw my first ever road killed black bear. And I 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:15.480 was with an old girlfriend of mine. We were driving 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:17.479 in a van that I had traded my buddy Ronnie 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:23.680 a husk Varna, chainsaw and two bucks for and you'd 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:26.000 expect the van like that just the home, right, but 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:29.400 we met my girlfriend passed, you know, come out of 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:33.719 West Virginia and passed into Ohio, and a guy is 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:35.440 coming up along me and he's like trying to like 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:40.840 gesture that something's wrong with my vehicle and rolls the 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:42.640 window down and yells to me that I have a 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:45.840 tail light out, so or a blinker out, and it's 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:48.520 a tail laid out. And we get to the first exit. 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:50.919 Right when you leave West Virginia you enter Ohio. We 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:53.400 get to the first exit and I pull off and 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:55.679 go in there, and I go into a part store 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:58.600 and I buy a bulb, and I need a torks 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:01.640 bit and I try to going to borrow a torqus bit, 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:04.440 and he's reluctant to lend me one. Eventually, lends me 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:06.159 a Torqus bit and I come outside and I'm working 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:08.039 on the tailight, and next to me is a car 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:10.880 wash and there's some people back in the car. There's 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:14.360 some kids vacuum in their car, and they have loud 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:17.800 music that's profanity laced. You know, you're like a certain 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:20.799 age and to use profani lace, but it's profani laced music. 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:22.440 And there's another guy with the young kid, and the 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:26.039 guy that takes offense to the music and starts urging 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:28.840 them to turn down the profanity lace music. And he's 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:33.440 using profanity to express how like displeased using the profanity 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:38.000 lace music, and a kid from the car produces a pipe. 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:40.880 So when Ohio kid produces a pipe as though he's 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:42.680 going to confront the guy, and the guy calls his 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:45.240 bluff and races all over towards him. The kid throws 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:47.760 down the pipe and the guy disappears into the car, 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:51.320 from which emanates the loud profani lace music. And I'm 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:54.159 thinking that's never gonna work out, because it's always hard 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:58.160 to figure out other people's stereo, you know. So when 0:06:58.160 --> 0:06:59.400 you get to a hotel and you pick up the 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:01.160 remote and you're like, dude, I'm never gonna figure this out. 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:03.560 But he's just like immediately back out of the car 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:06.000 at the CD and throws the CD on the ground 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:08.760 and stomps on the CD. And then the other side 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:10.880 of me, they were having a cheerleader did a car 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:13.280 wash fundraiser, and one of those guys most have called 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:14.880 the police, because then all of sudden, here comes the car, 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:17.800 pulls in with a siren, lights of flash, and we 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:19.600 pull out and start driving down the road, and I'm 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:22.600 headed to the Serpent Mount and I make the mistake 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:24.040 of saying to my girlfriend, you know, I kind of 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:25.960 see where that guy was coming from, and it just 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:28.640 so happens that she was thinking what an asshole that 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:32.600 guy was. We got into such a fight that we 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:35.840 fought all the way through our time at the Serpent Mound. 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:38.880 And every time I'm in Ohio, I cannot come here 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:44.720 without thinking of the Serpent Mound and that fight. Um. Now, 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:50.600 so from Michigan, and then we have Kevin Murphy from Kentucky, 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:52.520 and I figured that we don't have anyone from Ohio. 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:57.400 But if you average out Kevin and me, you have 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:02.600 like an Ohio and you know, we are holding Ohio up. 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:05.160 It would probably fall out somewhere your wedding for Kentucky. 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:08.480 So don't, yeah, don't feel underrepresentat here by this like 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:11.920 symbolic Ohio and that that that we think. And then 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:22.960 Mark Kenyon from Wired Hunt podcast, Ryan Callahan from just 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:25.640 generally being a well known guy, and also from First 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:31.320 Light Apparel, and then of course, but really you're honestly 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:43.120 tell us the Lavian eagle, sorry, the Lavian Eagle bear beater. Uh, 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:46.400 Mark Kenyon? You Mark Kenyon likes to come down in 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:49.559 hunt in Ohio all the time, but you just lost 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:55.560 your Ohio hunting spot. Yeah, it's it's a tender wound still, 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:57.080 so I'm not sure I'm ready to talk about it, 0:08:57.120 --> 0:09:00.880 but please, Yeah, it just happened this week I found out. 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:03.400 Do you want to hear what happens? I want I 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:04.640 want to hear like how you used to be a 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:06.640 dude who comes down on hunts Ohio but now you're 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:10.160 not anymore, because I think that that's like, that's you know, people, 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:13.199 that's relevant to people. Right. I always knew I wanted 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:16.000 to come on down to Ohio because us in Michigan 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:19.360 we often talk about how the grass is probably greener 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:21.719 south of us, and I wanted to come down, but 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:23.520 I had friends who had said that they had hunted 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:26.840 down here with Michigan license plates and said that they 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:30.640 would have their windows smashed in their tires cut. So 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:34.280 I had serious apprehension about it. But I don't like 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:38.200 the Michigan wolverines, Eiland. I don't know what that is. 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:42.240 So I did start coming down hunting here probably six 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:45.160 seven years ago. It's been really good to me. Um. 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:49.520 We had one small property sort in your Cincinnati, and 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:52.679 the landowners were in their early nineties when we started 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:55.880 hunting there. I can smell trouble already, man, when people 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:58.560 get that old, like change is the ruin. Yeah, and 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:00.200 it was. It was one of those deals where right 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:04.520 from the get go we knew, Okay, the clock is taking. 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:06.800 This isn't a long term thing, probably, but it was 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:10.040 so good still We're like, well, let's just enjoy it 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:12.959 while we got him. And it kept every year, We're like, ah, 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:14.960 how so and so gonna be, you know, every year 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:16.760 looking for it. And I don't want to sound like 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:18.880 all I cared about was the hunting property. I love 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:20.640 the hunting property, but we got to know the landowners 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:22.920 to really nice people, really nice people, enjoy getting down 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:26.000 there and chatting with him, and long story short, this year, 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:28.200 finally the last last ball, I was down there and 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:31.520 just noticed that things are going downhill. The landowner I went. 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:34.280 We went down and I was heading in for a 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:36.160 muzzle otter hunt. And I got there late for the 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:38.920 afternot drove down from Michigan in a rush. I wanted 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:40.079 to try to get up for the last couple of 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:43.240 hours of daylight. And so already I'm looking at my clock. 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:45.360 Oh gosh, I'm already running late. I pull in and 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:48.680 I see the landover there, and he's outside of his house, 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:50.959 and I always want to stop and say hi, though 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:52.520 I'm like, okay, you know, I'll say hi and then 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:54.079 let him know I'm sorry. I gotta kind of run. 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:56.360 Let's catch up tomorrow or something. So I do that. 0:10:56.400 --> 0:10:58.360 I go say hi to him, and you know, he 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:00.080 starts chatting, and I don't want to be rude. I 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:02.920 hear him out, and then finally the conversation ends and okay, 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:05.000 now now I get I'll have like one hour of hunting, 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:08.160 It'll be okay. And as I'm walking away, I start 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:11.520 hearing like cursing. Yeah, I'm like, oh, no, what happened. 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:13.679 I turned around to look and you could see him 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:18.040 like doing this thing and looking around, and I'm thinking 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:20.640 to myself, and he's standing next to his car. I 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:22.679 think he locked his keys in his car. Well, I 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:26.920 thought he just realized you had Michigan plates me. No, 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:29.480 so so he he had locked himself off of his 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:33.840 vehicle and there was nobody else home. There's no one around. 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:36.520 So I end up, you know, losing that whole hunt. 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:38.000 Hung out with him for a couple of hours while 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:39.760 a wait for someone. I called the tow truck and 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:41.800 everything for him. And it was that kind of thing, 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:43.640 that kind of a few instances like that where you 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:45.640 just knew it was probably going to be a change 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:47.520 is coming in. Yeah, a week ago, got a phone 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:51.000 call that said we're not gonna have anymore. They're selling 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:53.480 it and that the kids are taking it on and 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:56.200 trying to get sold. So it was a great place, 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:58.040 had a lot of fun, really enjoyed getting to know 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:00.920 the folks are still alive. Um, they're they're going to 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:04.679 be moving to nursing homes and and the death of 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:07.520 an Ohio hunting spot. Come on, are you telling me that? 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:10.640 Since I watched my keys in my car last week. 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:15.079 Then um on the downhill slide that in several other factors. 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:18.360 I think, let's say that you're heading that direction, you know, 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:20.240 so I wanted to ask you Mark is. We had 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:22.840 a guy right in proposing that you like to hunt 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:25.959 for like you like to look around, as they to 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:27.640 call it hunting, You like to look around out in 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:31.080 the woods for deer handlers laying on the ground. Un 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:34.480 a guy rode in to ask this question, to ask 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:37.000 a question to say, like he feels that there should 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:43.680 be a bag limit on shed antlers like that the 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:45.439 real he's like, he's like, because we have this thing. 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:47.360 We have this thing in wildlife management. We have a 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:50.240 fair use thing right right, Like we spread out the resource. 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:53.000 You know, you don't get the hog all the year. 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:55.440 You don't get the hog all the ducks because things 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:57.559 in place, so you're allowed some number and allow other 0:12:57.600 --> 0:13:00.160 people to have more. And he was proposing, like, what 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:03.000 if we came up with this idea of having, uh, 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:05.960 like a shed antler season. Now we already have seasons 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:07.360 in some states. What if we had a thing where 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:09.840 you were limited to how many you could have? How 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:11.720 would you feel about it? As a shed antler hunter. 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:15.200 Short answer, I don't like it. Longer answer is bag 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:17.360 limits and stuff. I get what you're saying from a 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:19.480 fair use perspective, but really the reason why we have 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:22.640 those is to maintain sustainable populations of animals. So if 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:24.400 I go in there and pick up a hundred sheds, 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:27.520 that's not going to impact the long term sustainability of 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:30.599 a dear population. So I don't see that as like 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:34.959 a viable argument. Not much time in the woods might 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:37.880 be stressed and out animals. So so you have a 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:43.959 question here also as far as impact. How many dear 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:49.520 antlers have you come across that have nine marks on them? 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:51.839 A lot in certain places, depending on the time of 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:55.640 the year, But ye a lot. That's not just for taste. 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:59.640 They're not just trying that stuff out. That's calcium dance bone. 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:02.480 So you're trying to tell me, I've been hearing a 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:06.120 lot lately that what are we really what are we 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:12.760 removing that raccoon populations and squirrel populations their nutritional the 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:15.920 importance of shed alerson as that's I just don't see it. 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:19.640 But I would say that I can understand the argument 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:22.600 that there is stress put on deer herds or elk 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:24.720 herds or mule deer herds or whatever of people going 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:28.200 in there too early, especially in the Western States where 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:32.760 snowpack and stuff like that does significantly impact dear. And 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:35.160 so I understand why states like Utah and other Western 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:37.800 states are putting in seasons, um, to make sure that 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:40.360 we aren't overstressing the deer at that time of year 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:42.520 when they are struggling the most, or maybe even in 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:45.720 the very furthest northern states like northern Minnesota, northern Michigan, 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:49.800 northern Wisconsin, parts where these deer have to find yarding areas, 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:51.920 you know, where they can only survive in certain areas 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:53.680 to get that kind of food and shelter. Yeah, that's 0:14:53.680 --> 0:15:00.720 an argument, um. But down here in Kentucky, Ohio, well sorry, yeah, 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:04.720 he's got me Kentucky, Ohio, this whole region anywhere around here. 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:08.840 I just don't think that the stress is that high 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:10.760 that it is going to make a no salimpact. But 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:12.920 but you could get me on the seasons. But I 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:14.640 get a lot of emails people warned about that, and 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:17.080 I want to side. I think there should be a 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:21.720 bag limit, the size limit, size limit, and a slot limit. Yeah, no, 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:23.760 I'm joking. I don't see it as a real honest 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:25.560 to goodness problem. I just wanted to put it to 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:30.040 an actual hunter hobbyist. And my best shed hunting year 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:34.720 ever this year defined by quantity and quality, and I 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:38.920 found my largest shed antlers ever here in Ohio on 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:45.240 this property. Um, anybody has got a spot that you 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:49.120 don't want to hunt, you want to the people to ask. Yeah, 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:50.600 it's like, oh, you know, in the fact that you 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:53.160 have a large property, no one's using mark. It's like, oh, 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:58.360 guy talking to the wrong crew. Yeah, you need to 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:03.200 go down to the rotary club or something. Check down there, Kevin, 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:07.360 can you, um would you mind? Uh? Bigin some predictions 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:10.480 this year on how what the squirrel season is gonna 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:13.280 look like based on mass crop. Is it looking like 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:17.040 a strong season in Kentucky. We had a good carryover 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:21.920 from this winter. Uh, the squirrels went into We had 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:25.680 a good, good squirrel crop coming into the season. We 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:29.880 had limited mass. Uh. The squirrels pretty much ate everything 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:32.080 into woods, everything they could get their hands on. The 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:36.200 fatten up. They were mud ball fat and they had 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:41.680 limited activity throughout the wintertime. Uh. Their activity pretty much 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:48.280 from the UM thirty minutes at daylight thirty minutes at dark. 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:53.760 Uh into the season, very very little movement towards the 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:57.360 end of the season when the elm buds start coming 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:02.360 out water maples. Squirrels would fit prolific during the day 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:05.000 and you could go in and get harvest a limit 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:08.800 of squirrels. We had a very unusual winner in Kentucky 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:12.439 this year, probably like the worst in forty years. A 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:14.600 lot of forty year old people who had never seen 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:18.480 a winter that we had. But the ice froze about 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:22.040 nine inches. I had to chop eyes for the horses. Uh. 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:24.119 It kind of shut me down. I got acclimated to 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:28.560 hunting and twenty and thirty degrees winter. When it got 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:32.879 below zero and negative windshill, we just shut down. But 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:34.800 eventually we got too hard to sitting in the house 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:38.240 and we started getting out and we started killing rabbits 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:42.240 that we didn't even attempt to kill any squirrels. Um. 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:45.679 But I got to thinking back in the seventies and eighties, 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:49.119 we hunted like that when it was that code. Um. 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:52.520 So we had a late spring, it was snowing during 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:56.840 Turkey season, had some late freezes, but due to this 0:17:57.400 --> 0:18:01.480 unusual winner, we had the oak trees did not bud out, 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:04.480 and when we did have those late freezes, they did 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:07.000 not freeze the buds on them, and we came through 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:11.400 the wintertime with a good healthy oak population. I've looked 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:17.080 at the fruit trees, the mulberries, pretty good crop uh uh, 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:21.359 the treery trees at my house, the blueberries uh. And 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:24.080 it did catch the plums. But from what I'm seeing, 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:32.600 got three pretty good size uh, pecan trees in my yard, 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:35.800 and the caspians on them, they're they're full. They got 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:40.640 a lot of small bacons on them. So I'm predicting, uh, 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:44.200 a good solid squirrel crop in the state of Kentucky 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:46.719 in the western region where where I live, if these 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:49.760 guys are lucky to drift into Ohio. Are you famili 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:54.320 the are you familiar with the phenomenon phenomenon? What do 0:18:54.359 --> 0:19:01.720 you say? Phenomenon is plural? Right? No phenomenon either way. 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:07.639 A weird thing happening. Where have you ever heard of 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:11.639 a great The great people could say the great squirrel migration. 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:16.960 It is not a migration, it's a dispersal, an emigration. 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:20.439 But you've heard of this before because Ohio had won 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:25.520 in eighteen eleven where there were there gets to be 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:30.760 this thing where you developed overwhelming numbers of great squirrels. 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:33.920 I don't know if it can happen anymore, because we've 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:37.320 carved up the woods so bad. But you developed overwhelming 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:41.200 numbers of squirrels, and then you have a mass crop 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:46.800 failure and the squirrels disperse. I used to think that 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:49.119 this was a lie when people talk about the great, 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:55.320 the great squirrel migration. But in night they had they 0:19:55.320 --> 0:20:00.240 had another v great squirrel migration. And there was one 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:04.440 in my own lifetime that happened in Have you ever 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:11.920 experienced nineteen uh North Carolina, Tennessee had a mass figure. 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:16.360 The squirrels migrated north through Tennessee through the south end 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:19.040 of laying between lakes a hundred and seventy thousand acres 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:23.080 they came across. I didn't hunt much then at all. 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:26.320 My dad avide squirreld hunter. He'd take her squirrel dog 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:28.080 over there. Of course, I was in school a lot, 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:31.960 and he said the dog might tree one squirrel and 0:20:32.000 --> 0:20:34.240 then three or four come by on the ground, you know, 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:37.119 the shoot them. I remember hundreds drowning in the lakes, 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:40.720 the river banks full of dead squirrels. Yes, the crappie 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:43.920 fisherman would be out there, uh fisher for Croppie Lake 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:47.080 Barkley over a mile wide. Squirrels be coming by. They 0:20:47.119 --> 0:20:51.639 would just take a deep net dip them up. And 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:57.320 so I have witnessed at I have witnessed some minor migrations. UM. 0:20:57.359 --> 0:21:04.040 Probably right around the late ninety drove from Paduca to Louisville. 0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:06.440 It's about a three and a half hour drive. There 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:10.240 was one stretch of about a hundred miles between there 0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:13.720 that I counted over a hundred dead squirrels on a 0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:17.000 four lane highway. That's that's not normal, folks. I mean, 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:20.280 you just don't see a squirrel ran over on a 0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:25.320 four lane And UM made a trip I was basically 0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:27.920 going to a ball game up in Cincinnati to take 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:30.960 my kids, and made a trip like a week later, 0:21:31.720 --> 0:21:34.119 uh down to Nashville, and there was a stretch of 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:39.359 four down through there that I counted fifty four squirrels 0:21:39.400 --> 0:21:42.199 dead on the highway. You know, I get kind of 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:45.560 board sometimes driving down the highway, so you know, I'll 0:21:45.600 --> 0:21:47.960 start looking at animals and seeing what's going on and 0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:49.840 really not paying a lot of attention to what's in 0:21:49.840 --> 0:21:51.800 front of me or behind me. But yeah, when when 0:21:51.840 --> 0:21:54.320 someone wrote in to ask if the Great squirrel migrations 0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:56.280 were true, and I always thought they were not true, 0:21:56.320 --> 0:21:58.280 I started reading about it and read about a man 0:21:58.359 --> 0:22:01.840 that this article described at as a budding squirrel expert, 0:22:02.840 --> 0:22:05.160 which is not something you've seen throwing around very often, 0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:08.600 like he's not quite a squirrel expert, but is emerging 0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:12.800 as a squirrel expert. You know, I've done a little 0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:15.119 reading on this, and I forgot where the article was. 0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:19.160 But sometimes there was steel food in the area, but 0:22:19.359 --> 0:22:21.080 they didn't know if it's because they had so many 0:22:21.119 --> 0:22:25.280 squirrels and they had infestation of fleas and vermin in 0:22:25.320 --> 0:22:27.560 their nest, and so they left that area to get 0:22:27.600 --> 0:22:30.480 away from those. That's just one thing that I read. 0:22:30.520 --> 0:22:33.280 Of course, you know, we can read anything anytime we 0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:35.760