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Speaker 1: This is the me Eater podcast coming at you, shirtless, severely,

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Speaker 1: bug bitten, and in my case, underwear lessening past. You

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Speaker 1: can't predict anything. Welcome to the summer, souls now in.

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Speaker 1: In a lot of indigenous cultures, to night, you would

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Speaker 1: have a ceremony in order to get the sun headed

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Speaker 1: back in a southerly direction. And Kevin Murphy, since we're

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Speaker 1: not gonna all get up and dance in the counter

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Speaker 1: class direction around a large sun dial, Kevin Murphy is

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Speaker 1: going to rip on his horn that he uses to

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Speaker 1: alert squirrels to his presence. But this is gonna send

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Speaker 1: the sun back south and we will be honoring some souls.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, Kevin. Keego is just a little more background

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Speaker 1: because Steve didn't do a Justine City that you just

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Speaker 1: alert squirrels. Use the MICUs to Mike, use the mic Mike.

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Speaker 1: Every hunt that I tried to do, even fishing, we

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Speaker 1: critters that were coming, and it's their chance to get away.

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Speaker 1: If they don't and they get killed, get start falling.

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Speaker 1: So here we go. So you guys maybe could leave

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Speaker 1: if you want to take so. Well done, Let's hunt, Uh,

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Speaker 1: it just lapps that three of us are from one

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Speaker 1: Michigan we always um look down and laugh at you guys,

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Speaker 1: But it's that. It's that for you might think, because um,

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Speaker 1: you guys know the Toledo the Toledo Strip, right, So

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Speaker 1: years ago we were trying to sort out who what

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Speaker 1: And um, some people call the Bloodless War. But there

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Speaker 1: we're gonna do. We're gonna give Michigan the up it's

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Speaker 1: this practice of building these large earthen effigy mountains in

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Speaker 1: Great squirrel migration is really well documented. Just you know,

428
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 1: just the image of drowned squirrels. We once rescued one

429
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 1: out of the yellow Stone. He was such a sad

430
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: looking critter. You know another while I have you kept

431
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 1: another squirrel question I wanted to ask you about. Do

432
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: you remember if you oh please, yeah, go ahead. I'd

433
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 1: like to know, just from a sound of whoops, how

434
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: many squirrel hunters we have in the audience and relevant information?

435
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: Then how many of you? How many of you witness

436
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: a squirrel migration, a great the great squirrel migration? Nobody?

437
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: How many of you have squirrel meet in your freezer?

438
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 1: Right now? All right, real deal, Kevin, can you break

439
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 1: down for me? Um, do you remember a few years

440
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 1: ago it kind of became like a thing people talk about?

441
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 1: Remember when like noodling became like bricard builder. I think

442
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: started people like the media celebrating noodling for catfish, right,

443
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: because something that had always been around, but all of

444
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: a sudden entered the popular imagination and became like a thing, right,

445
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 1: a thing beside, no, a thing that was known about

446
00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,040
Speaker 1: outside of people who already naturally knew about it. Do

447
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: you remember a few years agoing to be there begin

448
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: this big conversation about eating squirrel brains very much leave

449
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: that up for me. Mm hmm. Well it was do

450
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: you eat squirrel brains? No? No, I do not. I

451
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: do not do not. My background is in water wastewater.

452
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 1: I ran the wastewater plants for twenty years. UH got

453
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:36,679
Speaker 1: interested in pathogens HIV, hepatitis, had thirty guys working for me.

454
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: I would work out in the in the sewer system. Also. Uh,

455
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 1: it was I wanted to know what's going on. That

456
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: was when the AIDS epidemic was going around, and UH,

457
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 1: I would read what I could. UM. And I was

458
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 1: in a bookstore one day and there was a book

459
00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:00,439
Speaker 1: called Deadly Faced and it was by Richard Rhodes and

460
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: he's a man that wrote the Making of the Atomic Bomb.

461
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: And of course the book was only five dollars. I

462
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: skimmed through it real quick, since I'm gonna buy this baby.

463
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 1: So I took it home and started reading it. And

464
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: it was about a scientist that found the scrutch Field

465
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: Jacob's disease or something like that, and the humans. Um.

466
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,239
Speaker 1: But he went down to New Guinea to study a

467
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: tribe of people down there, and the children and the

468
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: women were coming down with tremor disease and they would

469
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: shake and die. The men did not have this disease.

470
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 1: And he sat down and he was studying that tribe,

471
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 1: trying to figure out, um, what was going on. And

472
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: he read a lot of technical journals about human beings

473
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: and people like sniffing gold dust and would go in

474
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 1: deposit in certain locations in your brain. Um. He read

475
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 1: one article where a scientist trained these tape worms round

476
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: worms to run a maze. You know, we all think

477
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: of something the maze being complicated, and I just kind

478
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: of kind of said, well, it's probably just like a

479
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 1: real simple maze, you know, from point A to point

480
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: the to eat this food. But for some reason, I

481
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: don't know what the scientists was doing. And he took

482
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 1: those those worms that he trained to run the maze.

483
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: He killed them, ground them up, fed them to worms

484
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: that never ran the maze. The worms could run the maze. Yes,

485
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:43,199
Speaker 1: read the book and and and from that, the the

486
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: scientists knew that the the the people from New Guinea,

487
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 1: they had a practice where they practiced cannibalism. Not for uh,

488
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: defensive measures are trying to kill the anymis whatever, but

489
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 1: to celebrate life. They thought if they ate one of

490
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: the elders that it passed on that they would live

491
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: in their body and go on. The men got all

492
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: the choice pieces of eight and you women got the organs,

493
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: being the lesser desirable quantities of meat, such as the children. There.

494
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: So they were eating the brain and the heart and

495
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 1: in us. And so he figured out there that that

496
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: that was the transfer of the brain matter after they

497
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: would eat it go in and that's where the tremor disease,

498
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 1: the mad cow, the human version of the cruach frail

499
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: Jacob's disease was coming into their their um society. So

500
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: he got them to stop, uh doing that part of it.

501
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,479
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly how that went. Has been a

502
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: pretty good while since I read that book, um, but

503
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: there was a number of articles and it seemed like

504
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: it was like a year or two ago. Wasn't back

505
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: and looked at some of those things, and it was

506
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: a two or three families in Kentucky and I have

507
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: eaten squirrel brains, But uh, it was just one of

508
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: those things that after I read that, read that book

509
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: and looked at a little research and there was nothing

510
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: definite about that um happening, but they did see that's

511
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: the common thread that those two or three families had

512
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: that they did consume the same squirrel brains. So I

513
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: don't need eat any type of of of of brain

514
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: matter whatsoever. Um um. I was at a convention down

515
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: in Houston, I guess it's about thousand and there was

516
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: a young engineer from Britain there and it was a

517
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: water wastewater thing. We went out to eat with a

518
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: with a vendor ordered me a big steak and then

519
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: he said, aren't you worried about b v I? And

520
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: that is the human version of the mad cow disease,

521
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: and started to talking to him about it, and and

522
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: and in the book also, I don't because the same

523
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: book or another book. Uh. It came into our system

524
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: after War two and we started doing factory farm and

525
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: we started uh feeding tankage to cattle. Tankage is dead

526
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: animals that they would go around from farms and pick

527
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: up you know, nothing but pretty much pure protein. So

528
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: they would feed it to the cattle's over in in

529
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: England and France. And that's when they started coming down

530
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: got into their system over there, the cattle and they

531
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: would call it the tractor disease. They were supposed to

532
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: report it to the authorities, but when their cattle come

533
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: down with it, they went and got a tractor, shot

534
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: him in the head, drug them off, and buried them

535
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: where they wouldn't have to kill their whole whole herd

536
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: over there. Uh you see it in cattle sheep is

537
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: called scrape ees in there. Uh hogs, I know it.

538
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: I don't think it. It's gotta it's gotta have gestation

539
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: period of several years out there caused from a preon.

540
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: You can put something contaminated with preons in an autoclave

541
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: and autoclave will not kill it. So a preon is

542
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: very very hard to kill. But you know, do not

543
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: eat any brain matter of That's all it took to

544
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: turn you off on it. I have a question in

545
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: here too, before we get off the squirrel subject. No,

546
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: I was ready to move on from squirrels, but go ahead,

547
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: Can I jump in? Um, you, Kevin Murphy, are not

548
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: just squirrel shooter. You're not just trigger man. Right, You're

549
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: a squirrel hunter, correct, So you observe squirrels more more

550
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:37,239
Speaker 1: carefully than any man you've ever met. And you just

551
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: told us that you watched them throughout hunting season, You

552
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: watched them throughout the winter. You see what happens in

553
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: the spring? Correct? Correct? Is are you part lawyer or

554
00:31:49,440 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: where is this lady in your observations? Yeah? Does intense

555
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: squirrel activity in the fall relate to a heavy winter? Oh?

556
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: You mean like in a predictive fashion, In a predictive

557
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: fashion like a farmer's almanact Kevin Murphy's Farmer's Almanact by

558
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: a squirrel bearing in mind, Kevin and I am looking

559
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: to get off the squirrel subject. No, that's all I

560
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: want to know. You know I can't get off the

561
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: squirrel subject. I could have one last things like Montana.

562
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure that's an old man, old todder thing all over. Yeah,

563
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: that they know it's coming, right, so's they're building that

564
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: making cautiful to imagine, beautiful to imagine. Let me go

565
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: back to that. It's not maybe not squirrel activity. But

566
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: like like I said earlier, I looked at the squirrels

567
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: that we were killing and uh, late November, early December,

568
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: and they were mud ball fat. I mean mud ball fat.

569
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: So I knew that's when you got to wipe your

570
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: hands on your pants finished skin in the squirrel Y

571
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: Where does this saying come from? What's saying? Mud ball? Yeah? Yeah,

572
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: what does that mean? But I don't know why it

573
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: means that. It sounds good? All right? They were large fat.

574
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: How's that sound butter ball fat mud ball? But but

575
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: I have noticed that that that when they when they come,

576
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: you know, like said two kind of two things are

577
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: going on there. There's not enough food to get them

578
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: through the wintertime, so they're out there eating everything. And

579
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: another observation that I made one year is that we

580
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: had the locusts come out, and we had somewhat of

581
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,719
Speaker 1: a mass figure of that year us. They come out

582
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: late August or whatever. But I never saw a squirrel

583
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: eat a locust. But I know that that's what they

584
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: were eating because they were as fat as I've ever

585
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: seen any squirrel in my life. But they were consuming

586
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: the locals. You know, a squirrel supposedly practices cannibalism, going

587
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: to a nest and and and eat bird eggs, eat

588
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: young birds. Uh, they're rodent, and we all know what

589
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: rodents do they eat. Uh. So there's some observations I

590
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 1: have made as far as squirrel activity bearing nuts and

591
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: things of that nature. You know, I'm out killing stuff.

592
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: I'm not waiting two days watching a help or whatever.

593
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: So so that type of observation to see that it's

594
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 1: what squirrels do over eight iurs that's not in my DNA.

595
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: All right now officially moving on. Um someone wrote in

596
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: and asked the question that I just don't understand. I

597
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: know that we struggle with it, and he was saying, yeah,

598
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: I has n has had a confusion around this. The

599
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: other day on the phone, he was said, um, why

600
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: do people say a half turkey breast? Meaning? Right, if

601
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: I told you that I was out in the woods

602
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: and I found half of a man's breast, right, what

603
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: is the image you get in your mind? Not this right,

604
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: but half? So why do people are like when you

605
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: when you clean the turkey, okay, you you cut off.

606
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: He's saying, when you clean a turkey, is it do

607
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: both parts? Is that the breast are both parts? So

608
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: a half breast is half of all? Or is a

609
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: half breast when you cut in half? And I actually

610
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: do not know the answer to this. Do you understand

611
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: what I'm saying? I understand it's half of the entire breast.

612
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: It was it wasn't asked my boy Tommy yet. He

613
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: was saying he's having his daughter's graduation party at which

614
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 1: he would like to cook turkeys, and I said, so

615
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: take half of reast. He's like, you mean cut the

616
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: thing in half. I'm like, no, you know, half a breast,

617
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: like the chest. I don't know what I mean. Because

618
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: then I realized I say it, but I don't know.

619
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: I say both ways, that don't know what I mean.

620
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: I mean. He's like, I think the turkey's breast is

621
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: the whole damn deal cut directly down the sternum bisect

622
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: the breast. A half breast would be one of those correct.

623
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: Cutting half in a breast would be like what I

624
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 1: imagine on a human being, not cutting half. No, Cal's

625
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: calling the whole thing one breath. Yeah, when we're like

626
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 1: the breast region both sides, Yes, the breast in its

627
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,280
Speaker 1: entire teeth, You're wrong. And when you say a half breast,

628
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,399
Speaker 1: no one says that, you'd say take out. Like I'm

629
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: messed up. I said, I said take out. I did

630
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: say half a breast, meaning yeah, you just got confused

631
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: in the moment. Yeah, but no, because this guy is

632
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: confused about it. So it's not like it's just me.

633
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: He's confused about it. I'm moving on to something because

634
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: anybody having to add about this. He's confusing me and

635
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: it made me more confused. But way forward. Okay, I'm

636
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: gonna hit you with another one. Um have you Uh

637
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 1: A guy wants to know, and I don't have enough

638
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 1: authority noess to ask. Do rattlesnakes killed dogs? Yeah? Right, yes,

639
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: if they zap him on the throat or nose. You know,

640
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: a big diamondbacks packs a punch in there, so I

641
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,720
Speaker 1: would think a big diamondback could could kill a dog. Now,

642
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: copper head is our main poisons snake in Kentucky, third

643
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 1: third most prevalent snake out there. I've had numerous dogs

644
00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: met by copper heads, And just like Steve said, um,

645
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: if they yet bit in the throat that area, the

646
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: snake bite is not What really kills them is the

647
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: swelling from the snake bite. Uh. If they yet bit

648
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: u um anywhere else, it swells up. I never take

649
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: them to the to the bed on that part. We

650
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: were hunting one year January O b l out on

651
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 1: a point and it had been cold. He warmed up,

652
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: got sunny and my one of my best squirrel dogs

653
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: came in there after he treated squirrel and you got

654
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: to look at it, and it's front left shoulder swelled

655
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: up like a country ham. And the best thing that

656
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: I could, uh do you like that again? That that's

657
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: Steve's favorite meat, country ham. So if you guys want

658
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: to send him a present, he really likes country ham.

659
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 1: But uh, it swelled up, I mean like four times

660
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: its size. But my experience with numerous dogs throughout my lifetime,

661
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: the copper Head like said, unless it beat the bites

662
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: a dog in the throat or whatever and it has

663
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: some swelling, um, you're gonna be okay. I mean, you know,

664
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: take your dog to the vent, let him look at

665
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: it whatever. But like I said, my hunting dogs, I

666
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: pretty much just let them, let them write it out,

667
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: just like a beast thing or whatever. But my experience

668
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: with with the rattlesnakes, I can't really answer that. You know,

669
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: we've got some timber rattlers in our area, but I

670
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,879
Speaker 1: do know that that that they are pretty brutal. We've

671
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: got cotton mouse also in there that have like a

672
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: neuro toxin in there, so I think they have some

673
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: some flesh degradation when I get beat that bite a dog,

674
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: but the copper head being a poison steak, I'm not

675
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 1: too concerned if I do have a dog bit by

676
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: cop kise. I'm gonna tell this dude, just don't worry

677
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: about it. Plays listening right now? Uh Mark? In our

678
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: home state, right it's illegal to shoot a piebald or

679
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: is it still illegal in Michigan to shooting a pie

680
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: old or albino deer? I'm pretty sure not because it

681
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: was when I was a boy. Because I don't know

682
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: this because I know the actual regulation. But I remember

683
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: a few years ago somebody and a kid in Michigan

684
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: shot I believe it was a piebald and it went

685
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: viral and there was all sorts of Facebook hate mail

686
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: and stuff like that and death threats. I remember people writing,

687
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: some blogger writer writing like in defense of the kid

688
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: and stuff. So I'm don't I'm not a hundred percent,

689
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: But that's because of what the question was that someone

690
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: had is like why is it He's like, why is

691
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: it unethical to shoot an albino or piebald deer? And

692
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: it's like I didn't know that. It was like why

693
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: does that make because because it's an oddity. Do you

694
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 1: remove you You removed this freakish thing, and now you're

695
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: a bad person. I don't know if that feedback is

696
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 1: coming from hunters, but I think that maybe non hunters

697
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: view it as something extra special character almost. You know,

698
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: once you have this unique feature, then you can personalize

699
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 1: that animal. Probably, Oh, this is that Bob the white

700
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: deer that we say on the neighborhood or something like that,

701
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden becomes something that emotions

702
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: can get wrapped around. Yeah, he becomes like pedals the

703
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: bear exactly from New Jersey exactly. But I mean, I

704
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: don't I don't know many hunters who have a vehement

705
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: position on it. I personally wouldn't go out of my

706
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: way to target a pieball or albino deer, Like it

707
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: wouldn't be a thing like, oh wow, I really want

708
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: to go after that deer. Um you would, Well, I don't.

709
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what I would do

710
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: for for whatever reason, I don't really, I don't know.

711
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: I feel like it would just I would be maybe

712
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,439
Speaker 1: maybe I even as I'm talking through this, I might

713
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: be struck with the rarity of it and just be like, Wow,

714
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: that is really cool. I don't want to see that end.

715
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: That's yeah, I think more I say, I don't think

716
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: I would. I don't think I was shooting. It was

717
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: annoying to me when you couldn't because I remember thinking like,

718
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: because pieball means just patches of albinism, right, like not patches,

719
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: but patches of whiteness. So when it was illegal to

720
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: shoot one because I think it came from a case,

721
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: but there was one that was well known only because

722
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: he was identifiable, so he didn't blend into the normal

723
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: general dearness of deer and he was distinguishable. And so

724
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: then when someone killed and people were pissed because they

725
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: knew that one. But I remember thinking like, well, if

726
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 1: what if it's patches only on the side that's facing

727
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: away from you, we're fighting someone all of a sudden,

728
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: like accidentally be a a internet priya. Yeah, if you

729
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: were to have the audacity to put a picture of

730
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: But if I was looking at one like to stand

731
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 1: actually turned one had that characteristic, I would be like

732
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: not drawn to the to the one with the recognizable characteristics,

733
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,439
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't like look down on someone who did

734
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: want to take that deer that's their progative. I want

735
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: to because I feel like you guys weren't getting me.

736
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: I want to return to this turkey breast thing. But

737
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:44,439
Speaker 1: now I'm looking at the actually doing Okay, this guy

738
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: is right in because him and his father are in

739
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: a fight. They're in a fight because we are a

740
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: disagreement on the subject. Because my belief that a turkey

741
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: breast is a comprised of two parts that you cut out,

742
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,959
Speaker 1: and these two parts are each classified as one turn

743
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 1: key breast each once, and you slice him in half,

744
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 1: you have half a turkey breast. My dad, in the

745
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: other hand, whole hardly disagrees with me. He said the

746
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: turkey breast is one whole thing. So it is a

747
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: real issue tearing a father and son apart. Here's how

748
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: I think, Steve, I think that you can right here.

749
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: How do you remove a turkey breast? Is it a

750
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: one part procedure or do you take out two things?

751
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: You can't. You can't take it out as one whole

752
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: piece because they are two separate breasts. Moving on, big

753
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: question from a dude named Matt. No, Matt wants to

754
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: know this is it okay? This is a hot This

755
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: is more hot. This is an actual problem. This isn't

756
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: like how many breasts around turkey. This is an actual problem.

757
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: Why is it okay? Why? Why does everyone say it's

758
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: not okay but it actually seems to be okay that

759
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: you could thaw me out and re freeze it. That's

760
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: a big no no. But I don't understand the no

761
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: no nos. Totally fine, Yes, this is a question that

762
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 1: we get often. Do you find out what I'm saying

763
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: no and why? It's just a thing like if you

764
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 1: go and ask like an actual real chef who deals

765
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: with actual real ingredients to tell you that it's a

766
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: big no no because when when it freezes, well, you're

767
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna tell me why. Yeah, I think there's

768
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: a couple of reasons. Oh why did you just ask me? Well,

769
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: just because I want to get the context what they're

770
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 1: saying about it. But I would say it's probably not

771
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: so much that the freezing and thawing that it's going through,

772
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: although that might deteriorate the meat as well, but meat's

773
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: probably spending more time in the food danger zone, and

774
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: so you just inviting there's like more opportunity to have

775
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: bacteria and stuff grow and probably gets sick from it

776
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: because you probably just don't want to be letting that

777
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: meat go back and forth through that you know space

778
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: of you know temperatures. So I guess you did under controlled,

779
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: real controlled circumstances and never let it get out of

780
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: you know whatever. About forty degrees probably wouldn't be that

781
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: big do I thought I had to do with water loss,

782
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: which kind of doesn't make sense. Well, I think what

783
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: it has to do with is water, but uh what

784
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: I it's the water freezing breaking down the cell tissues.

785
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,240
Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna get into all that craft. Yeah, yeah,

786
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:23,919
Speaker 1: and then he could come up with like some mushy meat. Right,

787
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: So they're doing a multiple times fracturing cell walls because

788
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: you ever notice when you freeze something thought out, it's

789
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: like where all that water come? Like? Right, you get

790
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: that like that watery, bloody thing because all that water

791
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: comes out of there. Had you never frozen, hadn't done that,

792
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: I mean, you know the thing on top about right,

793
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: like just pull out of rolls and thought on a plate,

794
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: the water comes. But times like I'm digging through the

795
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: freezer and my stummach gets bigger than my brain and

796
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: I pull out more than I can possibly feed anybody

797
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: that week, and I'm I gotta take off again. So

798
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh yeah, chuck her back and the freezing whatever,

799
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: I don't get to, you know, And I've never had

800
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: any ill effects. Yeah, That's why I feel like it's

801
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: not a problem, because what we'll do oftentimes is, especially

802
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: if you're traveling, is we'll hunt bone something out, put

803
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: it in gallon size ziplock bags, freeze it. Then you

804
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: come home and got a total mess on your hands.

805
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: You thought the thing back out, sorted out, process of property,

806
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: grind it if it's burger, trim it, parted out, refreeze it,

807
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: and then people act like you've just committed like the

808
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: cardinal sin of meat handle. Would it be fair to

809
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: say that's not the ideal scenario, but it's not the

810
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: end of the world. Probably, So I have an Internet

811
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: Mario playing out there, refrigerator in the garage right now, okay,

812
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: uh down Texas a couple of weeks ago, and of course,

813
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: make I kill a deer the this access here with

814
00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 1: the pretty meat the last day that the very last

815
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: morning over there, hundreds of five degrees, So get it

816
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: into a walk in refrigerator. I break it down into

817
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: general big pieces, uh for travel, and to let it

818
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: cool out as much as possible. We hang out there

819
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:21,760
Speaker 1: as long as possible, let things cool down, stuff everything,

820
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 1: and big gas cooler pile ice on top of it,

821
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 1: drab four hours, puld things back out of the cooler,

822
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: stepping into smaller coolers. Things are pretty darn chilled down now,

823
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: and then you know, walk onto the plane and fly.

824
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: They basically like an eight hour day back to my house.

825
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 1: At that point, Um pulled the big pieces back out

826
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: and put them on the racks and my refrigerators. And

827
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:55,479
Speaker 1: I've let him go a little over two weeks now, yes,

828
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: because there was no opportunity for that muture rest now.

829
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,439
Speaker 1: Sun Sunday night, I took a loin and I never

830
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: let loins the age like that because there's neat loss

831
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: and it's not that big of a wine. But it

832
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: had a really nice sharp away knife and basically like

833
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: her Shuto size cuts off ed outside of that wine

834
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: and it was fantastic. And I'm intending on processing all

835
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: that meat when I get back uh the mystery smart

836
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 1: I'll be processing eat tomorrow night there and feed off

837
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: it now. But you know, now I have like big

838
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: hams left and I'm not gonna be able to eat

839
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: through that. Yeah's tell about the audit piece of meat weird,

840
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:48,439
Speaker 1: remember that? Yeah? Sorry, I was. I was also thinking

841
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: about that someone else, everybuddy Mike Rule aged some is

842
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: it words I was telling you about, Yeah, the same

843
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: way that you did. I think he did eight weeks

844
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: in a fridge. No fans just got it. Keeps it

845
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: can't be sitting on it. Everything was like, we ate

846
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: all dat meat that had hung for eighteen months in

847
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: the clip and it was like hilly controlled, very temperature

848
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,720
Speaker 1: and humidity control, and it was like eating blue cheese.

849
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: It tasted like cheese. It was good though. It was good, dude.

850
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: The only negative about it, the only negative about it

851
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 1: is so you got this thing. It's like this thick

852
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: right after eighteen months, there's there's you know, it's like

853
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: a tenderloin on the inside that you can all the

854
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 1: rest is just dried out and all you have left

855
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: is this little inside soft bit of like a block

856
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: of blue cheese hiding inside that leg. Was it ultra

857
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 1: rich like it was pungent rich. It was like if

858
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 1: you told me it was meat flavored cheese. Like second

859
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: guessing your next bite to where you're like, boy, that

860
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 1: was really good, but I don't know if I could

861
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: handle the Actually, I fully expected to get sick, not

862
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: from the flavor, not from the flavor. I was like,

863
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 1: there's no way. That just seemed like one of those

864
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: things that laid and you're like, holy ship, Like what

865
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: was I thinking? It just seemed like like you were

866
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: entering Did you get that feeling like you were entering

867
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: the territory of like your responsibility? Well, yeah, the outside

868
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 1: was kind of like rainbow colored, wasn't it. I mean

869
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: it was mostly white, but there's definitely patches of different

870
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: colors of did you run out of Yeah, no, we

871
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,240
Speaker 1: were in a we were well fed inside a restaurant.

872
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: And uh, but my old man would talk about when

873
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: I was looking at my old man would talk about

874
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 1: hanging deer, white tail deer. Until they had you would

875
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: say a quarter inch of green mold was the indicator.

876
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 1: They would use it. It It was now a time, the

877
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:56,760
Speaker 1: green quarter inch of green mold the mold you don't

878
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 1: want black note black buzzy mold is bad. But he

879
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: would say a quarter inch of green mold. These had

880
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: white molebout him. Yeah, yeah, I wish he had pictures

881
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: that we do. I think do we have pictures that Yeah?

882
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: He snaps no white. I'm just saying with my old

883
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: man said, and he's like, you know, gone now, and

884
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: was had some questionable bits of information. I mean not

885
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,439
Speaker 1: you know, but that's something that he would talk about,

886
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: is like you know, doing that hanging it that long.

887
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 1: I will say this access here was actually it's one

888
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: of the better deer running around up in the woods

889
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah. In the desert, like the resting period

890
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: was critical seeing that bad. I think there was no cheese.

891
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 1: That's nice. What I might do now, since it's gonna

892
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 1: break it down some more, that old tough cow I've

893
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: been chewing on for the last five six months, I

894
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: might just thaw her the whole thing out him freezing.

895
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 1: No one's ead it again. Yeah, if that's a yeah,

896
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 1: I'll report back. But I am into What I am

897
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 1: into that that I don't hear people talk about is

898
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: just like it is like what you're saying with just

899
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: like standard fridge aging of game me and just like

900
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 1: setting your fridge, you have to trim the outside away.

901
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 1: But I think that people worry too much about aging stuff,

902
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: Like what's I mean the worst case scenario, you get

903
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: a team but sick. I was taking stuff overhead time.

904
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: My buddies acted out and I went I got a

905
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: brand ziplock bag and went out there to throw this

906
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: one in a nip block fag and realized that it

907
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: would just be I just beginning a zip block bag

908
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: totally dirty for a reason, like it has such a

909
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: grind all the meat that I could have thrown it

910
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,919
Speaker 1: got in my truck and driming it across town. Yeah,

911
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: it becomes Durhamley. So that I mean think about I

912
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: got another ethics one, A couple of ethics ones. Um

913
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: A guy wrote in he has one time he he

914
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 1: has one complaint about listening to the show, as he

915
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: used to listen to it. Then he got his friends

916
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: listening to the show, and now he can't talk about

917
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: what he heard on the show as though it was

918
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 1: something that he just natively knew, because they'll be like, dude,

919
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 1: you didn't know that. I just heard that too. So

920
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 1: he's bummed that he told him one because he just

921
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: liked to act like he just news stuff that he

922
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,760
Speaker 1: had to find out about somehow, but he's talking about

923
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 1: so he's hunting, right, and he's he's I don't know

924
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 1: what stading. No, he's in Texas, lives in Texas, and

925
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 1: he's hunting. And a dough and a yearling came up

926
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: when I think he's not talking about a yearland because

927
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: they're together. So people say yearling, but it's not really

928
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: a yearling. If you're hunting in the fall, it's a

929
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: Why do you People still still like always say that, right,

930
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 1: it's like it's eight months old, that year born net spring,

931
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: a deer of the year. So a doe and a

932
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 1: yearling buck come into his feeder. He passes on the thing,

933
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,240
Speaker 1: passes on the dough because he would have felt guilty

934
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 1: about orphaning a yearly. And he wants to know what

935
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: are y'all's thought on this because his bodies ripped him

936
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: a new one over saying doesn't matter. I think from

937
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: a management standpoint, from a like a well being of

938
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: the dear herd perspective, doesn't matter. From the well being

939
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 1: of deer, I agree. Remember with that, read and heard

940
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 1: and talked to biologists about it. Those deer of the year,

941
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: those spawns at that by the time hunting season rolls around.

942
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: They they are biologically capable of surviving in the Typically,

943
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: from what I understand, they get picked up by the

944
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: rest of the dope family group that they're hanging out with,

945
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: or the nearest adjacent doe family group and they continue

946
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,879
Speaker 1: on just fine. So from a biological or management perspective, Yeah,

947
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 1: I personally it's heart rending. I've I've like flip flopped

948
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: on it lots, Like I've had days where I've been

949
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: out there sitting and I want to kill a doe

950
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: and I had a dough and bonds come out and

951
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: I would just sit there and that do I want

952
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 1: to do? I not, and I know I don't want to.

953
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: And I've had other days where I, yeah, I gotta

954
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: get that dough and and and put in my head.

955
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: You would still have that sense of yeah, it's you know,

956
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 1: you get into all like the ethics and morals and

957
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 1: the the wise and house of what we do stuff,

958
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 1: and that that's like murky, sticky, swampy territory. And I

959
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: think all of us have a different process there. You

960
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 1: shoot the faw the pawn has the least lightly who

961
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: sure I need to maturity and producing more of you well,

962
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: that's that. Let's think about our goals. In most of

963
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 1: the Midwest and Ohio and Michigan, we we actually want

964
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: to we actually want to lower your populations, so we

965
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 1: have issues were actually the the smarter decision from a

966
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: management perspective is to take that mature dough. It's more

967
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: likely to have future fonds. And you know, because we've

968
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: got too high of deer populations because you have you

969
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: have states that are trying to bend over backwards to

970
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 1: encourage people to take some step toward lowering dear numbers.

971
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: Like in Wisconsin, there's areas you can't shoot a buck

972
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: until you shoot a dough. You have to shoot a

973
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: doll to get a buck tag. That's how serious they

974
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 1: are about shooting does but still for me, like from

975
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 1: the like so like the whole like just the Bambi

976
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: angle on it. Um, Yeah, I would shoot the other one.

977
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: You shoot the phone. Yeah, I don't know why. See,

978
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: I would feel worse. I would feel worse about shooting

979
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:51,839
Speaker 1: the fond than the than the than the dope. There

980
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: are management areas in but there's plenty did you you

981
00:56:56,040 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: honey month where they actually have half loose seasons, so

982
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: it's not a not an answerless it is a half season.

983
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: Now ran to think this through. You have a calf

984
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: that a mature animal is hearing for in addition to

985
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: themselves when it was the hardest time of year. The

986
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: mature animal can produce one or two more of those ideally,

987
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: and that's breeding to you. So you I mean, it's

988
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: absolutely no different than you know our uh every bolts

989
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: n that cow that produces cab and be telling the

990
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 1: gap and deep cap. Yeah, I never thought about that.

991
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: People look down on a hunter for doing that. But

992
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: when you go to restaurant too, that's all you're eating,

993
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: and it's all you're eating. It is. It's one of

994
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: those weird things. It's one of those weird things where

995
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: it's like, on one hand, you want to be all

996
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: you want to sit back and look at it all

997
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: with sort of this perspective of like you know, herd

998
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: management longevity management goals, but you're always through using these

999
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 1: situations where you can't divorce yourself and just he's kind

1000
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: of like just basic, you know, he's kind of like

1001
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 1: basic native feelings of of of like kind of like

1002
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: misplaced empathy. I guess, you know, I remember being stuck

1003
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 1: in that situation all the time bo hunt, and yeah,

1004
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: I would never want to do that, be like, oh,

1005
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: it's horrible to do that, and and then like shoot

1006
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 1: little one, which is distasteful as well. But yeah, and

1007
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: the industrial egg situation, that's all it is. I would

1008
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: just say that I don't think personally that there's a

1009
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: right or wrong answer to that. I understand both sides

1010
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: of and I myself, like I just said, sometimes no,

1011
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 1: I don't want to shoot that deer, and sometimes I have,

1012
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 1: but I don't think it's misplaced empathy, and that I

1013
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: think it having some kind of sense of empathy around

1014
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: what we do as hunters. I'm not saying it doesn't

1015
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: mean we don't kill deer or elk or whatever, but

1016
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: at least having some sense of that, I think it's

1017
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 1: maybe a healthy thing to to temper what we're doing

1018
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 1: and to be least thoughtful about it. Um how that

1019
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:24,959
Speaker 1: actually plays out in the field is gonna be different

1020
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: for everyone, but I would just say, like, I mean,

1021
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a bad thing that we think

1022
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 1: about this stuff. It's an acknowledgement that you're you're engaged

1023
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: in something seriously, and it plays out like it's a light.

1024
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 1: You're dealing with like wives and death, most serious thing.

1025
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: This guy also says Tony Sassery is way better and

1026
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: old Bay honest. I just I hold to that that

1027
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: they're different. Okay, here completely anecdotal, speaking of the calf

1028
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 1: being picked up by the rest of the heard a

1029
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: hunter once that on open morning he killed the bigger

1030
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 1: of the two elk, and they were traveling together. The

1031
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: calf was left there alone. And that was like opening days.

1032
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 1: So we got it for five days, and I think

1033
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: I had two or three days to hunt, because this

1034
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: season was like nine days long. We got it for five.

1035
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: I could hunt the last four days of this season.

1036
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 1: I was hunting around, hunting around, couldn't find a cow,

1037
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 1: and I thought, I wonder about that cal. Sure enough,

1038
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 1: I went right back to where the hunter had shot from.

1039
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 1: I sat there, and before the sound of the first

1040
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: note of my cow call faded, I heard here she comes,

1041
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: just running over the hill, and I was like, oh, man,

1042
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: I kind of didn't hope for it to work so well.

1043
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 1: And then so she hadn't joined the herd. She was

1044
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 1: still like hanging out. Heard this story. It's so tasty, though,

1045
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing. I mean a cap like archery season,

1046
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 1: so much easier to pack out, so tasty. Yes, yeah,

1047
01:00:56,240 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: one trip. Ye, here's another one. The guys said, we

1048
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: were having a conversation on on on this year program.

1049
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: We're having a conversation one day where I was talking

1050
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 1: about some things that didn't like, some forms of hunting,

1051
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 1: some hunting practices that didn't interest me, okay, and I

1052
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 1: cited some examples, and we're actually having a conversation about

1053
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: we're having a conversation about where I was kind of

1054
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 1: like putting it to Mark Kennyan a little bit like

1055
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: and something like, why what is the difference between having

1056
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 1: a food plot and having bait out in the woods? Right?

1057
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 1: And some people say like it's the same exact thing,

1058
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 1: or some people say it's different, And and it brought

1059
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 1: up this conversation where um, I was saying that we

1060
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 1: used to hunt overbait all the time. Then it just

1061
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 1: became worths not interesting to me now and now I

1062
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 1: don't And he pointed out like that rees he's saying

1063
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,479
Speaker 1: this letter, He's like, you don't read it this way,

1064
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: but what that reads as is it reads is you

1065
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 1: condemning and hunting practice that anyone looking in would say,

1066
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 1: like the by saying you wouldn't do it, you're condemning it.

1067
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 1: And I think that that's like kind of an interesting

1068
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: thing that needs to be proud of that a little bit,

1069
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 1: because I don't feel that I am right. I'm feeling

1070
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 1: that everyone looks and there's things that you're drawn to

1071
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 1: and things that you're not. And how could it be

1072
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: held up that if you're not drawn to something and

1073
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 1: don't want to do something, it doesn't interest you, that

1074
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 1: there's sort of this like this like implicit condemnation of

1075
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 1: the activity, which seems like a stretch, like it doesn't

1076
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: feel to me that's what I'm doing, And I think

1077
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 1: it like just opens up some level of sensitivity on

1078
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 1: people's behalf where they feel like you're saying that they

1079
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: like to do something, you don't like to do it,

1080
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 1: therefore you must be saying that they're wrong. If I

1081
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 1: choose not to play soccer, are you gonna think that

1082
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 1: that means I hate people to play soccer, that I'm

1083
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 1: condemning the sport. No, well, and not playing golf that's

1084
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 1: what I'm doing. But yeah, I agree with you. I

1085
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: think that there's there's nothing wrong with people having different

1086
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 1: takes on what appeals to us, or what lines we draw,

1087
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 1: or whatever it might be. And that's okay. I think

1088
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 1: it's a good thing that we all have our own

1089
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 1: different lines of what we feel is compelling, interesting, or

1090
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 1: even ethical. We all have a different take on some

1091
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 1: of those things. And yeah, because he's inviting to look

1092
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 1: at he's inviting one to look at it from the

1093
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 1: non hunting perspective, saying like from the non hunting perspective,

1094
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 1: people were looking to be like, see you see what

1095
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: I'm saying about those certain practices these people because you're

1096
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 1: signaling that that it's bad. And maybe his argument is

1097
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 1: that because because you have a platform, So maybe it's

1098
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 1: someone who who's like a leadership's position in some capacity

1099
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 1: within this community. By saying that you don't that signals

1100
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 1: to other people as someone that you know has a platform.

1101
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 1: But maybe that's the case. I can better understand that argument.

1102
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, I agree. I got one for you. You

1103
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 1: um dudes want to know is it okay to hunt

1104
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 1: dear the two twenty three? Why is that for me?

1105
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 1: Because I think of you as like a like a

1106
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 1: guy that you're definitely kind of a bulletin. Did you guys,

1107
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 1: see my tattoo. Is that what it makes of the bullets?

1108
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 1: All of them? I'm joking, you don't. I forgot to mention.

1109
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 1: Not only is it the Solstice, but it's Yanni Day

1110
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 1: in Latvia, where I think like people named like the

1111
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 1: singer No, people named Janice, people named Janice celebrate today

1112
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 1: in Latvia because they're all everybody's celebrates. It's kind of

1113
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 1: it's it's weird, it's it's a summer solstice party and

1114
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 1: it just happens to be called Yanni, which is like

1115
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:39,959
Speaker 1: the Yanni name Day, like everybody in all that means

1116
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 1: have a name day as well. It's kind of nice

1117
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 1: growing up because it was almost treated as like a

1118
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 1: second birthday. So you get you want to get quite

1119
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 1: as many presents, but you get a few. You'd have

1120
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 1: like a little celebration. Would it wouldn't know, joke be

1121
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 1: equivalent they're being to there being a Steve Day, Yeah, exactly,

1122
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 1: Dude's named Steve party that day. Yes, yeah, but for

1123
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 1: Yannie Day, it's in the summer souls this and yeah

1124
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 1: you go. But you have all kinds of traditions that

1125
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 1: you do, sing a lot, big bonfires, travel from house

1126
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 1: to house. Would you greet all the neighbors eat? This

1127
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 1: is gonna it's gonna get a good laugh. But you

1128
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 1: eat a bunch of Yanni cheese, um, which is like

1129
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 1: a it's kind of blamed as caraway seeds in it

1130
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 1: s tasty. There's pete agga usually like some of you

1131
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 1: have had, or maybe it's just Steve. Yeah. Um, what

1132
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 1: else do we do? Yeah? You do? Um? Just you know,

1133
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 1: like you were saying about the Native Americans, you know,

1134
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 1: doing things to sort of you know what. I would

1135
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 1: you say, they move this on somehow. Yeah, you're you're

1136
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 1: sending it back south. Yea good luck for the rest

1137
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 1: of the year. I think you had to get a

1138
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 1: partner and jump over the bonfire. That was like the

1139
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 1: highlight were when we were old enough to do when

1140
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 1: your parents like, oh you get to do it? This

1141
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 1: year is like, yes, we get to jump over bond fire. Um.

1142
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 1: You want to know more? Yeah, I know, I want

1143
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 1: you to jump real quick, because I thought the solstice

1144
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 1: was the day you guys throw a molten lead into

1145
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: a bucket of water and then read the future with it.

1146
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 1: Can you break that down? Winter Solstice? Yeah, winter break

1147
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 1: that you don't want to wait until the winter solstics

1148
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 1: for that. I want to talk about it right now. Yeah,

1149
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 1: very safe practice. I can't believe our parents were like,

1150
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 1: but yeah, we would uh buy a bunch of fishing

1151
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 1: weights and probably everybody got a bag or so. And

1152
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 1: you have an old pot that was used every year

1153
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 1: for this, and you would melt the lead, and you

1154
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 1: have a cold bucket of five gallon bucket of cold

1155
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 1: water and you would I think some years, I guess

1156
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 1: we had a ladle, but I remember usually just having

1157
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 1: a small pot and you would dump the pot quickly

1158
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 1: into the cold bucket of water and they would just

1159
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 1: turn into a form. Everybody would go around doing that,

1160
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 1: and you'd sit around and look at this thing. And

1161
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:54,479
Speaker 1: then you would um find a take off a painting

1162
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 1: off the wall or something. Just have a plain hand,

1163
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 1: just doing it right now on that wall behind you

1164
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 1: go and you set up a candle and you just

1165
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 1: hold the lead, big green sculpture. I don't know what

1166
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 1: you call. You didn't sculpt it, really, but the form

1167
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 1: that you made and uh with the light from the

1168
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: uh candle moving a little bit, and then that odd

1169
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 1: shape everybody else sits around. It's in your group and

1170
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 1: looks that shadow and sort of projects your next year.

1171
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:25,439
Speaker 1: I'd be like, Yanni is gonna get a big old buck,

1172
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 1: right if it throws a shadowy? Yeah, that's good stuff.

1173
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:34,520
Speaker 1: Now back, you know, I've never ever done it, and

1174
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, I've never owned a twenty three, so I

1175
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 1: really can't. Um. I've never killed that. You were the

1176
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 1: two forty three. I've seen it done, so I know

1177
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 1: you know, and it was a nice, quick, clean kill.

1178
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 1: But to two three, I'm sure with the right bullet

1179
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 1: and the right bullet placement, it could be done right bullet. Yeah,

1180
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 1: but those guys have killed charging grizzly bears with twenty two.

1181
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 1: But I don't think anyone proposes that. That's like a

1182
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 1: thing that makes sense. You So when people rely on

1183
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 1: the like I like when you hear that argument, well,

1184
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 1: my brother's cousin, that does make sense. But you know

1185
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, it's like it's thrown out there

1186
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 1: all the time. But this dude wants to know. I'm

1187
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 1: not a gun guy. But the reading I've done on

1188
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:25,479
Speaker 1: it in the past is that yes, but it's you've

1189
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:27,759
Speaker 1: gotta be mindful about your bullet choice and your distance,

1190
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 1: like it should be a close range thing only because,

1191
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 1: like I said, I'm not a gun guy, but I

1192
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 1: think the two three it's a velocity thing right to

1193
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:39,680
Speaker 1: make that work to kill a larger game species, So

1194
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 1: you want to make sure you don't shoot so far

1195
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 1: that velocity drops off. And we've talked extensively. Uh, Janice

1196
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 1: and I both had poor guiding experiences when folks would

1197
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:56,760
Speaker 1: show up with the seven mm meg and that was

1198
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 1: when that cartridge first came on the market and was

1199
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:04,720
Speaker 1: very popular, and I trying to be a grown up

1200
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 1: and objective and looking back, it's not that that rifle

1201
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:17,519
Speaker 1: isn't worth uh anything, but likely there was not the

1202
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 1: appropriate ammunition on the market at the time to make

1203
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 1: that a good killing rifle. Yeah, I believed at that

1204
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 1: is this dude, I wish I knew if he was

1205
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:31,840
Speaker 1: If he was here, we'd know if he was happy

1206
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 1: with that or not. Yeah, I think you need to

1207
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:42,400
Speaker 1: look at uh velocities, how much energy that projectile is

1208
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 1: taking to the animal at a given distance, so you

1209
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 1: know what is what math says is the correct amount

1210
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:57,680
Speaker 1: of energy at what distance and have an appropriate projectile

1211
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 1: for hunting, not a target projectile that especially in a

1212
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 1: two case is the most prolific and the least expensive

1213
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 1: by fire. Yeah, I would recommend he go read what

1214
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 1: Chuck Hawks has to say about it. That is kind

1215
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:18,599
Speaker 1: of the authority. But he's a reliable dude, Chuck Hawks

1216
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:21,599
Speaker 1: and Chuck Hawks is a gunwriter who's kind of anti

1217
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 1: gun writer, which is helpful. This guy, this is a

1218
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 1: good one. I understand you used to live in grow

1219
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 1: up in Montana, where everyone knows that you skin an

1220
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 1: animal hanging it from its gambrels. I mean you hang

1221
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:40,719
Speaker 1: it from its hawks upside down. In Wisconsin, everyone knows

1222
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 1: that you hang a deer by its neck. Why is

1223
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:50,679
Speaker 1: this and who is right the neck guy? I think

1224
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 1: because what we used to do is we would take

1225
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:56,479
Speaker 1: them and do all the skinning cuts hanging up by

1226
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:58,720
Speaker 1: the neck, and then take a golf and skin the

1227
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 1: neck down a little ways, put a golf ball in there,

1228
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 1: wrap a rope around it with a slipknot, cook it

1229
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 1: to a four wheeler or a vehicle, and just drive

1230
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 1: away and that whole hide squirts right off slick. One

1231
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 1: cannot do that the other way around. So I think

1232
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 1: that's God's way of saying hanging from the neck. But

1233
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:27,799
Speaker 1: it's like it's that like regional bias. He was wondering,

1234
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 1: how why the difference is? Anyone have anything to add

1235
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 1: about that. I would guess that if you actually took

1236
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:38,639
Speaker 1: a census and drove around those two states, you'd probably

1237
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 1: see it's probably split down the middle. In Texas, you

1238
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:44,040
Speaker 1: can probably go from one ranch they're all hanging by

1239
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:46,639
Speaker 1: the neck, go the next ranswer hanging by the hawks.

1240
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's necessary true, that it's one

1241
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 1: way in the north in a different way in the south.

1242
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 1: So he like hung out with two people hung out.

1243
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 1: One guy in Montana did it that way and one

1244
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 1: guy in Wisconsin did the other way. And he's like,

1245
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 1: that's just how they do it in these states. Few

1246
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 1: enough that I think it's a coincidence. Make it clean,

1247
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 1: get the meat cooled down fast. I don't care how

1248
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 1: you do it. Have you got a guy rode in

1249
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 1: from Ohio here, um, and he wanted to know, like,

1250
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 1: what is up? Why can we not have elk in Ohio?

1251
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 1: Of the people who were in from Ohio, how many

1252
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:23,839
Speaker 1: of you guys would like to see Elk in Ohio?

1253
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 1: It's how many of you which would not all Ohioans

1254
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 1: are in. Yeah, it winds up being a kind of

1255
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 1: an interesting story because of course Elk here like everywhere,

1256
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:45,639
Speaker 1: pretty much everywhere else Um at the time of European contact,

1257
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 1: you were in the heart of Elk country, right, Elk

1258
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 1: occupied almost the entirety of the Lower forty eight. There's

1259
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 1: like some debate about where the line was drawn around Maine,

1260
01:12:57,520 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 1: where the line was drawn, like whether they were down

1261
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 1: on the floor to anced or not. But they were

1262
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 1: just everywhere everywhere. You know, early English columnists plant many

1263
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 1: places of Spanish columns went, there was Elk. And I

1264
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 1: think we always point out is we've only recovered Elk

1265
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:14,040
Speaker 1: on you know, ninety or so, like, you know, we've

1266
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:16,280
Speaker 1: only I'm sorry, we haven't recovered Elk. And someone like

1267
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 1: n of the historic range Elk absent from most places

1268
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:22,640
Speaker 1: that Elk belong. And someone was saying, like what's up,

1269
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 1: Like why not Ohio, Ohio did a feasibility study. Another

1270
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:30,720
Speaker 1: interesting thing is that you guys with the musket gum river,

1271
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 1: how do you say it? Oh, because I'm from Moskegan,

1272
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 1: we don't spell it nearly like that. How do you

1273
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:43,759
Speaker 1: guys say it moskeegum? You know what it means, okay,

1274
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:51,559
Speaker 1: one dude, say it musk and gum. Can you guys

1275
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 1: hear what someone's saying? I got yeah, just get let

1276
01:13:56,320 --> 01:14:00,439
Speaker 1: him let it up. That's what it is. Okay, you

1277
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 1: know what that means? What he's right so many because

1278
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 1: you know, like in the old day's a very popular

1279
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he gets something for that. Like if you

1280
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:19,360
Speaker 1: read accounts of if you read accounts of how hunters

1281
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:22,400
Speaker 1: would hunt in Boone's time, like a very common way

1282
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:24,600
Speaker 1: to hunt, like the early hide hunters. What how they

1283
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 1: would hunt was they would burned pine knots in the

1284
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 1: bottles of boats, and they would just hunt at night,

1285
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:33,639
Speaker 1: like you know, booned, like boon hunting a lot with dogs,

1286
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 1: ran stuff with dogs. They hunted a lot at night,

1287
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 1: and they would go out at night and they would

1288
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 1: break up a platform in front of a canoe, and

1289
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 1: you burned pine knots on the platform and they would

1290
01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 1: just drift rivers that night, shooting deer coming down and

1291
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 1: drink in the summertime. And they say that that river

1292
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:51,680
Speaker 1: draws its name from elks. I presumably you would when

1293
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 1: you're drifting down instead of seeing the eyes shine on

1294
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 1: white tails that had its own particular dimensions in color.

1295
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 1: You would tend to see their the eyes shine elk

1296
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 1: your guys when I see you, guys, those of you

1297
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:06,839
Speaker 1: are from Ohio. You guys conducted not longer. You conducted

1298
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:11,560
Speaker 1: the feasibility study, and it was determined that habitat was

1299
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:16,640
Speaker 1: pretty scarce in Ohio to have elk, but that there

1300
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 1: was a possibility that you could have or that you

1301
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:24,679
Speaker 1: guys can support a population of around four hundred or less.

1302
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 1: Elk Um the last elk here, the last place elk

1303
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 1: were commonly seen. I don't know how to pronounce this either,

1304
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 1: ash Taboula ain't right? What is it? They used to

1305
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:45,439
Speaker 1: be pretty common in that county uh As of eighteen

1306
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:49,839
Speaker 1: thirty two, they were commonly seen around there. The last

1307
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:56,080
Speaker 1: Ohio's last elk died in that county in eighty five.

1308
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:00,600
Speaker 1: And they did a multi age and see thing to

1309
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:02,639
Speaker 1: take a look what if we bring them back to Ohio.

1310
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 1: What's that gonna look like? Kind of scoured the state

1311
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:09,720
Speaker 1: repeat feasible locations to pull this off. They looked in

1312
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:14,120
Speaker 1: southeastern east central Ohio and they figured that it wound

1313
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:18,519
Speaker 1: up being that you could support maybe about four which

1314
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 1: is a lot better in zero, but when they looked

1315
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:26,160
Speaker 1: at it, there were too many They felt that the

1316
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:31,799
Speaker 1: there were too many social obstacles to ELK reintroduction in Ohio,

1317
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 1: meaning that you just weren't gonna get people on board.

1318
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 1: We're gonna deal with agricultural loss and cars running the ELK.

1319
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 1: The Rocky Mountain ELK Foundation took a look at it too,

1320
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 1: but they I feel that the way the ELK Foundations

1321
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 1: looked at is like they feel that it has to

1322
01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:54,599
Speaker 1: be a hundred percent commitment because the ELK Foundation has

1323
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:56,640
Speaker 1: been burned in places where they did a bunch of

1324
01:16:56,720 --> 01:16:59,840
Speaker 1: work to come in. They spent a bunch of time

1325
01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 1: in New York working with the d e C to

1326
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:05,720
Speaker 1: come in and play a full scale ELK restoration project,

1327
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 1: and in the end, the state it's like, you know what,

1328
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:11,760
Speaker 1: never mind and win another direction. Um. They had the

1329
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 1: same thing into Virginia. For a while, Virginia fiercely opposed

1330
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:17,759
Speaker 1: the idea of restoring ELK and for over a decade

1331
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 1: they thwarted ELK volunteers efforts to bring ELK back into

1332
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 1: the state. Then all of a sudden, New Jersey gets

1333
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 1: a new governor. The new governor appoints a new director

1334
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 1: and within two years Virginia had elk back on the ground.

1335
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 1: So even though it was thwarted here as being there's

1336
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 1: too many social obstacles to it, I do think that

1337
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 1: it's something that you guys should continue an idea that

1338
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:46,880
Speaker 1: you guys should continue to dabble in because you look

1339
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 1: at that map of missing a species, like a valuable

1340
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:54,640
Speaker 1: species with a lot of you know, a lot of

1341
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:57,840
Speaker 1: social support and everywhere it's found, and you look and

1342
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:01,560
Speaker 1: think that you guys could aim towards someday bringing that

1343
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 1: back here and filling that map and eliminate some of

1344
01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 1: that of the ground that's absent this big, beautiful, gorgeous animal.

1345
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:11,639
Speaker 1: I think that as a state, you guys should continue

1346
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:15,840
Speaker 1: to kick that one around and keep pushing for it

1347
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:19,600
Speaker 1: and try to overcome the social obstacles that would be

1348
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:22,200
Speaker 1: in place to put elk on the ground in Ohio.

1349
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:26,160
Speaker 1: So keep that in the back of her mind as

1350
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:31,720
Speaker 1: you're drinking cold beers tonight. Um. One final thing I

1351
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:34,800
Speaker 1: wanted to bring up here another letter from a person

1352
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:40,040
Speaker 1: where a hunter's wife wrote in and she's trying to

1353
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:45,760
Speaker 1: understand why does my old man like to hunt so much?

1354
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:52,080
Speaker 1: M and She's saying that he one time was watching

1355
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:56,040
Speaker 1: a buck and you like had to get it, and

1356
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 1: so he ignored all of his family issues to get

1357
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:00,720
Speaker 1: this buck and he finally gets the bucking. She celebrates

1358
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:02,760
Speaker 1: with them. She's all happy. It's like fatherly put this

1359
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:05,720
Speaker 1: behind us. And they had a wedding reception they had

1360
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:09,000
Speaker 1: to go to, and she's like, I guess now you're

1361
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:12,920
Speaker 1: cleared up to go to this wedding reception. Well, my

1362
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:19,880
Speaker 1: buddy has a tagged out yet. So she says, please

1363
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:22,720
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong. But is there ever a

1364
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:30,760
Speaker 1: point where you have to just put hunting aside? Someone says,

1365
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 1: married to the wrong woman? Do you feel like you

1366
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:37,200
Speaker 1: feel that you're honest that push and pull a little

1367
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:39,400
Speaker 1: bit like like you know, if you were on the

1368
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:42,400
Speaker 1: bars that night, you feel guilty. Yeah, But do you

1369
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 1: feel guilty for being out in the woods. No, I don't, um,

1370
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:50,760
Speaker 1: but yeah, I don't. I don't get that from my

1371
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 1: old lady at all. But again, I could probably push

1372
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 1: it more though, But I feel like, I you know,

1373
01:19:57,120 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 1: I'm I'm conscious of how much time I spending the woods,

1374
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,759
Speaker 1: how much time I spend at home making dinner, playing

1375
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 1: with the kids, the kids are now with me a

1376
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:08,479
Speaker 1: lot in the woods. Um, I don't think I get

1377
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:11,800
Speaker 1: that many. I mean I had an eighteen turkey hunting

1378
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 1: days this spring. I might have had two mornings that

1379
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:20,640
Speaker 1: were by myself, so I had kids and friends and

1380
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 1: you know, family, my wife with me. Um, So yeah,

1381
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:26,360
Speaker 1: I might only get ten days that are like that

1382
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:30,000
Speaker 1: really to myself. If I get to hunt kind of

1383
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:33,599
Speaker 1: hunt for work a lot too, so that makes it easier. Yeah,

1384
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 1: I toy with the guilt all the time. But that's

1385
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 1: why I keep feeling like the real solution to my

1386
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:41,680
Speaker 1: problem will be when my kids are like you know,

1387
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:43,360
Speaker 1: I have a three year old, right, they're hard to

1388
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:46,320
Speaker 1: deal with that home. But when my kids are all

1389
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 1: of age, I feel like I look forward to the

1390
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:53,400
Speaker 1: day of enjoying it without even the guilt, because once

1391
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:55,599
Speaker 1: they're all with me, there's like nothing holding me back.

1392
01:20:57,280 --> 01:20:59,800
Speaker 1: It just be it'd be like guilt free, just utter

1393
01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:04,720
Speaker 1: blitz to be in. It's like everything I want all

1394
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 1: in one spot, my kids in the woods, you know,

1395
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:10,960
Speaker 1: And I'm not that far away from that. And maybe

1396
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 1: you'll invite your wife along. Oh, she's welcome anytime. But

1397
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 1: that doesn't like bring like I think that she would

1398
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:20,360
Speaker 1: be just like there or not, she would be just

1399
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:22,240
Speaker 1: as fine with it, because like as a parent, you

1400
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:25,840
Speaker 1: carry like one like if you're you know, as a parent,

1401
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:27,240
Speaker 1: like I need you, you need to be with your

1402
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:29,080
Speaker 1: kids all the time. But then you feel this like

1403
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 1: sort of like native pole to being outside. And I

1404
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:34,360
Speaker 1: think that part of the guilt that comes from not

1405
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 1: being with your kids all the time is that someone's

1406
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 1: with them, So you also feel like you're kind of

1407
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:41,840
Speaker 1: like dumping someone with responsibility so you can go enjoy

1408
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:43,840
Speaker 1: this thing that means a great deal to you. So

1409
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:46,400
Speaker 1: I think that to alleviate the whole thing just makes sense.

1410
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:48,800
Speaker 1: Like heavy kids out in the woods. When I was

1411
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 1: growing up, it would be it was a laughable idea

1412
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 1: that my old man would be out hunting your fishing

1413
01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:57,800
Speaker 1: and you weren't welcome to go along. Laughable. It was

1414
01:21:57,880 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 1: just taken as a matter of course that if he

1415
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:02,680
Speaker 1: was going, you were welcome. But I don't think that

1416
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 1: everyone runs their program that way, you know. I think

1417
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:08,080
Speaker 1: there is this sense of people that like you, like,

1418
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:09,840
Speaker 1: do you want to leave that behind and go out

1419
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 1: and be out the woods without your kids because they're

1420
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:14,640
Speaker 1: hard to be around. Sometimes it's like a struggle with

1421
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:18,640
Speaker 1: little kids. So that's just like my answers to have

1422
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:21,120
Speaker 1: them being that little period when they're big enough where

1423
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:23,160
Speaker 1: you can move them around, but they're not so big

1424
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:26,920
Speaker 1: that they that they hate you, you know. Yeah, like

1425
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:30,040
Speaker 1: the whole piece and quiet and meditating in the woods,

1426
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:34,760
Speaker 1: that that's gone for a while now, right. Yeah. My

1427
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:38,080
Speaker 1: brother took his daughter out caribou hunting, and when he

1428
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:40,439
Speaker 1: came home, I was like, how'd that go? Is that?

1429
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:43,680
Speaker 1: What surprised me is that that knowing to whisper when

1430
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 1: animals are real close. Apparently it's not just like a

1431
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 1: thing that people naturally understand. He said, these carribould come

1432
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:52,800
Speaker 1: up and they're walking by a real close and like

1433
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:54,960
Speaker 1: and everything. He feels like, it's just like, you don't move,

1434
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:57,040
Speaker 1: you don't make a sound, like everyone just knows this.

1435
01:22:57,920 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 1: And his daughter just turns to him and flat out,

1436
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:03,479
Speaker 1: on a rarely conversational voice, wow, look at that, you know,

1437
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:07,760
Speaker 1: And he's like, how could that? I just assume that

1438
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:11,479
Speaker 1: was like native knowledge, you know, store it into you. Yeah,

1439
01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:14,880
Speaker 1: kel uh, I'm gonna just pass you by on this

1440
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:22,120
Speaker 1: one mark every day is pure pawing off. One of

1441
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:29,120
Speaker 1: the kids for some higher learning. You you official, I'd

1442
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 1: appreciate that you like, but you've spent time you've su

1443
01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:37,720
Speaker 1: fished with my kids. Oh yeah, it's hard. It it

1444
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:45,720
Speaker 1: is very constant. The the I don't even know how

1445
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:50,720
Speaker 1: to explain it. It's that it. Yeah, it's just very constant.

1446
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:55,800
Speaker 1: There is no like drifting off. It's a lot of questions,

1447
01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:58,360
Speaker 1: which is great because you know, like they're paying attention

1448
01:23:58,439 --> 01:24:03,280
Speaker 1: and learning. But yeah, it's it's very full on. Uh

1449
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 1: real quick talk about your experience when we're diving for

1450
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:11,320
Speaker 1: c cucumbers with my kid, because this is the good

1451
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:13,839
Speaker 1: way of explaining, like what is the get the juggling

1452
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:17,479
Speaker 1: you do with the kid, meaning that there's a problem

1453
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:23,920
Speaker 1: but you can't admit to the problem. Yeah, so alright, So,

1454
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 1: uh skifft skill it's a sixteen ft skill. Your blue

1455
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:34,160
Speaker 1: boat or red boat red sixteen blues eighteen Okay, so

1456
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 1: sixteen foot skiff. Um, Steve's child is in the front

1457
01:24:40,479 --> 01:24:42,439
Speaker 1: of the skiff. I am in the rear of the skiff.

1458
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:46,400
Speaker 1: We start off just fine. Steve and his brother Matt

1459
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 1: are diving for c cucumbers. Um. I feel very comfortable

1460
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:57,240
Speaker 1: in around the water and safety and all those things.

1461
01:24:57,360 --> 01:25:01,880
Speaker 1: But I have the variable of young James up there

1462
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:04,519
Speaker 1: in the front of the boat, and when we started off,

1463
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:11,559
Speaker 1: he's got his his fishing pole and he's casting around

1464
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:14,639
Speaker 1: and he actually catches a rock fish. And the seas

1465
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 1: are pretty high, so I'm constantly, you know, trying to

1466
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:22,320
Speaker 1: keep an eye on my guys in the water. I'm

1467
01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:25,640
Speaker 1: kind of being safety for those guys and keeping this

1468
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:29,439
Speaker 1: you know, relatively small boat oriented into the waves so

1469
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:33,400
Speaker 1: we don't take water into the very small boat. Um

1470
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:40,720
Speaker 1: and it is it's slightly more than I bargained for

1471
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:46,599
Speaker 1: because that watching the guys keeping the boat oriented, I'm

1472
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 1: not paying attention to James. All of a sudden, James

1473
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:54,160
Speaker 1: is like and like, oh fish, no, it's the propeller.

1474
01:25:54,439 --> 01:26:01,680
Speaker 1: And then that breaks off, which was a bummer but

1475
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:04,720
Speaker 1: not that big of a deal. But the problem was

1476
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:09,600
Speaker 1: is that I couldn't like get his rod, tie on

1477
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:13,720
Speaker 1: another lure and keep the boat oriented and like be

1478
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:16,560
Speaker 1: safe where we were. And then James was like is

1479
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:20,679
Speaker 1: this safe? Is this okay? Like yeah, everything's totally fine,

1480
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 1: and he's like, okay, great, tyler lure on. I'm like, well,

1481
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:28,240
Speaker 1: I just hang on a second, because I can I'm

1482
01:26:28,280 --> 01:26:33,320
Speaker 1: like and he's like, well, if you can't tie luan,

1483
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:35,960
Speaker 1: can I get a snack? And I'm like, yeah, get

1484
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:38,240
Speaker 1: a snack. And he's like great, hand me the bag

1485
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:41,439
Speaker 1: and the bag he's in the ballot boat. I'm in

1486
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:43,519
Speaker 1: the back of the boat and bag is in the

1487
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:49,240
Speaker 1: middle of the boat. And I'm like, well, uh man,

1488
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:52,720
Speaker 1: I can't keep your snack right now. It's like, well

1489
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:57,599
Speaker 1: is this safe? Can we be out here? I'm like, well, yeah,

1490
01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:00,200
Speaker 1: it's safe. We're fine. He's like, well, great, end me

1491
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:05,360
Speaker 1: a snack, Like what ah. And that's kind of how

1492
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:09,479
Speaker 1: the day went. And it was very and then we

1493
01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:12,240
Speaker 1: did take away over the side of the boat and

1494
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:20,040
Speaker 1: Jimmy hot drenched and stuffs floating around, and and it

1495
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:23,160
Speaker 1: was just constant like is this safe as this Okay?

1496
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:26,880
Speaker 1: It was. It was a big day day for me.

1497
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:31,360
Speaker 1: Uh and I want to get I think the market

1498
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:36,080
Speaker 1: Mark and Kevin's perspective on this one kids or not two?

1499
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:38,639
Speaker 1: Is there ever some reason you should put hunting aside?

1500
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:41,639
Speaker 1: Because Mark, you're just entering into it and Kevin you've

1501
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:45,120
Speaker 1: come out of it. So from the entering into it perspective,

1502
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 1: obligations balancing it all racked with guilt. Yeah, but you

1503
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 1: want to be on the woods, maybe you'll bring them.

1504
01:27:56,040 --> 01:27:59,760
Speaker 1: Am I gonna get in trouble because it's like real dangerous. Yes,

1505
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 1: all sources of these types of things have been running

1506
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:04,160
Speaker 1: through my mind for sure. And I think that even

1507
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 1: just before we had kids, even with my wife, you know,

1508
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:09,680
Speaker 1: at times I would struggle with some sense of am

1509
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:14,599
Speaker 1: I am I neglecting? You know, my husbandly duties at home,

1510
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:16,519
Speaker 1: helping out with things, being around, doing things like that,

1511
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:18,519
Speaker 1: and I'm gone a lot hunting and traveling stuff. So

1512
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:20,880
Speaker 1: so I think every person, every family has a different

1513
01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:23,960
Speaker 1: like tolerance level. My wife's very, very understanding, but even her,

1514
01:28:24,040 --> 01:28:25,720
Speaker 1: at some point in the year, she always kinds of

1515
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:28,840
Speaker 1: reach she reaches some kind of like stress point. Usually

1516
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:33,360
Speaker 1: it's like November sixteenth or seventeenth, have been gone three

1517
01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:36,040
Speaker 1: weeks straight hunting every day, fourteen hours a day or

1518
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:37,960
Speaker 1: whatever it is, and finally said, okay, I need to

1519
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:39,880
Speaker 1: know I have a husband again. So so there's always

1520
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:41,800
Speaker 1: some point like that. So it's always in the back

1521
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:44,200
Speaker 1: of my mind, like what am I doing? Okay balancing that?

1522
01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:46,760
Speaker 1: Am I not? But I definitely am not out there.

1523
01:28:47,479 --> 01:28:49,479
Speaker 1: I'm not thinking about it. It's it's it is something

1524
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:50,720
Speaker 1: that's in the back of my mind and trying to

1525
01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:53,560
Speaker 1: find a way to, you know, fulfill all those obligations.

1526
01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:55,840
Speaker 1: With a kid, I do think that's going to be

1527
01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 1: even more and I can already feel it. Like in

1528
01:28:57,200 --> 01:29:00,599
Speaker 1: the past, you know what I'm when I'm going out

1529
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:03,840
Speaker 1: for a hunting trip, I'm usually just amped and of

1530
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:05,600
Speaker 1: course I'm gonna miss my wife, but it's not like

1531
01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 1: something that's like on the top of my mind. When

1532
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:10,080
Speaker 1: I'm heading out the door, Um, I'm just excited for

1533
01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:11,720
Speaker 1: the trip and where we're headed. But now with like

1534
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:14,160
Speaker 1: my little baby, you know, he's five months old, I'm

1535
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:15,880
Speaker 1: heading out the door, I'm like, oh man, I'm gonna

1536
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:18,719
Speaker 1: miss him. And I can imagine that come hunting season,

1537
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:20,960
Speaker 1: when I'm gone for weeks on end and things like that,

1538
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:23,160
Speaker 1: that that will be something that's gonna be I'm sure

1539
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:26,000
Speaker 1: a new challenge. And as he's growing up, I imagine too,

1540
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:27,519
Speaker 1: like when he gets to the age you can talk

1541
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:29,880
Speaker 1: like I've heard friends say, like oh man, when they

1542
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:31,960
Speaker 1: start like saying how much they miss you, or when

1543
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:34,000
Speaker 1: are you coming home? Or why are you leaving again? Daddy,

1544
01:29:34,360 --> 01:29:35,880
Speaker 1: I imagine that's going to be kind of like a

1545
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:37,960
Speaker 1: dagg out of the heart, and I'm gonna have, you know,

1546
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:39,760
Speaker 1: some real figuring out to do, like how do I

1547
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:42,080
Speaker 1: balance this? How do I do it in the right way?

1548
01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:45,080
Speaker 1: But that story that you just shared, Ryan, like, I

1549
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:47,719
Speaker 1: cannot wait for that with my son, Like that sounds

1550
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 1: amazing to put him a tremendous risk. With great risk

1551
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:56,760
Speaker 1: comes great rewards. Sometimes they don't. They don't recognize all

1552
01:29:56,840 --> 01:30:00,200
Speaker 1: the other cool, amazing stuff where I'm like, wow, look

1553
01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:03,200
Speaker 1: at the waves crashing on those rocks. Look at this,

1554
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:06,760
Speaker 1: like I think the amazing stuff, And they're like, I

1555
01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:13,240
Speaker 1: need a snackig tight on like fronto. Man, Yeah, I

1556
01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:15,320
Speaker 1: can totally see that. I can also imagine, though, like

1557
01:30:16,240 --> 01:30:18,840
Speaker 1: going out into the woods with a child's eyes again,

1558
01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:21,000
Speaker 1: like and the things they might be interested, Like I

1559
01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:22,720
Speaker 1: head in the woods at all, I'm thinking about I

1560
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:24,960
Speaker 1: need to get to the stand without getting winded by

1561
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:26,639
Speaker 1: these deer. I need to be super quiet and blah

1562
01:30:26,680 --> 01:30:28,960
Speaker 1: blah blah. And I could just imagine taking my four

1563
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:30,920
Speaker 1: year old, dollar my three year older whatever he is,

1564
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:33,400
Speaker 1: and he's gonna see a butterfly flying, or he's gonna

1565
01:30:33,439 --> 01:30:35,760
Speaker 1: see a track or bunny and like he's gonna stop

1566
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:37,360
Speaker 1: and say, Dad, look at that rabbit. In the past,

1567
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:39,040
Speaker 1: I never would have paid attention or whatever it might be.

1568
01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:43,200
Speaker 1: And I am already looking forward to how cool those

1569
01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:45,920
Speaker 1: moments can be too. So those will be far between.

1570
01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:47,920
Speaker 1: Maybe you're gonna be a prodigy. You'll have a few

1571
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:49,680
Speaker 1: of those every time you go out. But most of

1572
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:55,000
Speaker 1: the time it's like mud rocks, mud rocks, mud rocks, rocks,

1573
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:58,840
Speaker 1: rocks mud mud. I might be blindly optimistic right now,

1574
01:30:58,920 --> 01:31:03,960
Speaker 1: that's true. Uh. We when we last summer, took are

1575
01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:06,360
Speaker 1: all last I took all three of our kids up

1576
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 1: to our shack in Alaska, and we're having this conversation

1577
01:31:09,160 --> 01:31:11,560
Speaker 1: like I'm always like very leary about overpacking. I like

1578
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:13,360
Speaker 1: when people overpack. My was said, well, they're gonna be

1579
01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:15,880
Speaker 1: all wet during get all wet, and I'm like, yeah, well,

1580
01:31:16,120 --> 01:31:18,000
Speaker 1: you know it's the lasting man. We just wear our

1581
01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:20,000
Speaker 1: clothes dry. She's like, what does that mean. I'm like,

1582
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:22,479
Speaker 1: you're getting wet. You don't change all the time, you

1583
01:31:22,520 --> 01:31:25,000
Speaker 1: just wear until it gets dry. The minute we get there,

1584
01:31:25,200 --> 01:31:29,800
Speaker 1: the two year old wades out into the water and

1585
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:32,000
Speaker 1: it's cold, you know, and he waves out in the

1586
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:35,080
Speaker 1: water up to about his navel and comes out and

1587
01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:36,920
Speaker 1: she's like looking at me, like the whole way a

1588
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:38,880
Speaker 1: dry think them, you know. But then we look and

1589
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:43,000
Speaker 1: he'd also shot himself out there. It was like, dude,

1590
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:46,720
Speaker 1: that trip just went down hill from there. Man, It's

1591
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:49,200
Speaker 1: just like the things you hadn't accounted for yet. But

1592
01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:50,920
Speaker 1: I've had a lot of ways to know that. I like,

1593
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:52,599
Speaker 1: I've had a lot of ways to know that I've

1594
01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:54,679
Speaker 1: married right, and over ten years, I know I've I've

1595
01:31:54,760 --> 01:31:56,960
Speaker 1: like married writer and writer and writer all the time.

1596
01:31:57,160 --> 01:31:58,760
Speaker 1: I remember when the first time I was leaving a

1597
01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:02,000
Speaker 1: long hunting trip when kid was an infant, and I

1598
01:32:02,040 --> 01:32:04,400
Speaker 1: remember being I was sitting in the bathtub taking the

1599
01:32:04,439 --> 01:32:06,360
Speaker 1: bath kids. So I'm sitting there in the bathroom with

1600
01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:09,679
Speaker 1: my boy James on my lap and I'm sobbing because

1601
01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:12,000
Speaker 1: I'm so sad about leaving them, like you're talk and

1602
01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:13,920
Speaker 1: my wife comes in and says, you better pull it together,

1603
01:32:15,080 --> 01:32:18,280
Speaker 1: and I was like, that's the response I wanted here. Man.

1604
01:32:18,360 --> 01:32:20,160
Speaker 1: It's just like you're gonna give the kid a complex,

1605
01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:23,280
Speaker 1: you know. It's go so okay, this father, this father

1606
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:25,479
Speaker 1: thing is gonna like least be livable you know what

1607
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:28,200
Speaker 1: I mean, Kevin, you got any final thoughts on the

1608
01:32:28,240 --> 01:32:31,439
Speaker 1: whole thing, Like you've got kids growing up, gone things

1609
01:32:31,479 --> 01:32:35,479
Speaker 1: you should have done different? Yes, because you know I

1610
01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:38,120
Speaker 1: was married for thirty years and it come to an end.

1611
01:32:38,760 --> 01:32:42,000
Speaker 1: Uh My wife said she never wanted to see another

1612
01:32:42,160 --> 01:32:45,360
Speaker 1: piece of camouflage clothing. Uh. If I died, it was

1613
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:47,560
Speaker 1: gonna sell all my guns and by guitars for my

1614
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:51,519
Speaker 1: boy and um, you know it ended there, you know,

1615
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:54,120
Speaker 1: And a lot of it can be not the quantity

1616
01:32:54,200 --> 01:32:56,519
Speaker 1: of time, but the quality of time spent with your children.

1617
01:32:57,040 --> 01:32:59,120
Speaker 1: That's what they remember. You know. You don't have to

1618
01:32:59,200 --> 01:33:02,000
Speaker 1: be around a d cent of the time or nent

1619
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:04,760
Speaker 1: of time, but but when you are there due to

1620
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 1: the job that you may have or whatever, those moments

1621
01:33:08,040 --> 01:33:10,400
Speaker 1: that that you are with your children, make sure it

1622
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:14,360
Speaker 1: is a quality experience. And uh they grow up in

1623
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:17,760
Speaker 1: a blink of an eye and they're gone, So so

1624
01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:23,680
Speaker 1: are you kids. Hard course grow hunters. We used to

1625
01:33:23,680 --> 01:33:27,680
Speaker 1: have a family tradition of the Murphy's going hunting every Thanksgiving.

1626
01:33:28,439 --> 01:33:31,000
Speaker 1: Uh My son he would go with us on that

1627
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:35,240
Speaker 1: day and that's pretty much it. That was all he carried.

1628
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:37,960
Speaker 1: Anything about going is like one day a year. Uh.

1629
01:33:38,160 --> 01:33:41,400
Speaker 1: It kind of hurt me uh for a long time,

1630
01:33:41,439 --> 01:33:43,479
Speaker 1: but I finally realized. And I looked at some of

1631
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:46,639
Speaker 1: my other other friends and they would have two boys.

1632
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:49,360
Speaker 1: One of them was adamant hunter, the other one was

1633
01:33:49,479 --> 01:33:54,240
Speaker 1: not h We had a professional coon hunt uh in

1634
01:33:54,479 --> 01:33:57,840
Speaker 1: the West Kentucky back in the spring. I went over

1635
01:33:57,920 --> 01:33:59,479
Speaker 1: with a friend of mine and said, let's go over.

1636
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:02,200
Speaker 1: So they want me to to guide, and I took

1637
01:34:02,200 --> 01:34:05,680
Speaker 1: a professional photographer over with me and asked him to

1638
01:34:05,720 --> 01:34:07,200
Speaker 1: take some pictures. I said, I think I want to

1639
01:34:07,240 --> 01:34:11,680
Speaker 1: write a story about this, this coon hunt. And so

1640
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:14,880
Speaker 1: when I went through the door, um, immediately I saw

1641
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:16,920
Speaker 1: some of my friends and they came over and started

1642
01:34:16,960 --> 01:34:20,040
Speaker 1: talking to me, just chit chat. And he was able

1643
01:34:20,040 --> 01:34:22,439
Speaker 1: to go around the room and he took four or

1644
01:34:22,479 --> 01:34:25,640
Speaker 1: five pictures of people that were there. That Chris, it

1645
01:34:25,720 --> 01:34:27,640
Speaker 1: was a brand new experience to him. He had never

1646
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:30,400
Speaker 1: seen anything like that in his life. And he and

1647
01:34:30,479 --> 01:34:31,840
Speaker 1: he come back to me, said, hey, I got some

1648
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:33,600
Speaker 1: great pictures. I want you to come over here and

1649
01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:37,960
Speaker 1: interview these these people. So the first uh two that

1650
01:34:38,040 --> 01:34:40,760
Speaker 1: I interviewed where there was two two guys there. One

1651
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:43,960
Speaker 1: was eighty three. The other one was seventy five, still

1652
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:46,680
Speaker 1: out coon hunting, and I sat down and talked to

1653
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:49,240
Speaker 1: him and asked him about their their first hunting trip

1654
01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:51,880
Speaker 1: that they could remember, how they were one of them

1655
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:55,439
Speaker 1: was eight and twelve. Uh, one of them was eight,

1656
01:34:55,479 --> 01:34:58,320
Speaker 1: the other one was twelve. I asked him about, well,

1657
01:34:58,360 --> 01:35:01,000
Speaker 1: who took you hunting? There? Neither one of the father's hunting,

1658
01:35:01,439 --> 01:35:03,880
Speaker 1: So they had an uncle that took him hunting. I said,

1659
01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:06,639
Speaker 1: whether you've got any siblings that hunt whatever? He said, well,

1660
01:35:06,680 --> 01:35:08,720
Speaker 1: I've got four brothers and said I'm the only one

1661
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:11,599
Speaker 1: that hunts out of that those four and the other

1662
01:35:11,640 --> 01:35:13,599
Speaker 1: one had like three brothers and he was the only

1663
01:35:13,680 --> 01:35:16,559
Speaker 1: one that that hunted out of that. So and he said,

1664
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:18,800
Speaker 1: I've got I've got children. I've got one that's a

1665
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:21,439
Speaker 1: hunter and the others are not. So you know, we

1666
01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:23,720
Speaker 1: we we don't all have that DNA makeup to go

1667
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:26,760
Speaker 1: out and go hunting there, So you know, don't feel

1668
01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:30,160
Speaker 1: depressed or whatever. But but give them that opportunity to

1669
01:35:30,320 --> 01:35:33,080
Speaker 1: go hunt fish whatever. Now, my son, he's an avid fisherman.

1670
01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:36,000
Speaker 1: He does like the fish, so he will go fish

1671
01:35:36,080 --> 01:35:39,680
Speaker 1: and he loves the meat. Um, I had the opportunity

1672
01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:44,760
Speaker 1: to go catfishing and Sandusky Bay on Monday. Did you

1673
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:48,880
Speaker 1: guys know that you're Sandusky Bay is super good for catfish? Yeah,

1674
01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:53,599
Speaker 1: I can tell everybody. Kevin threw back eight pounds of catfish. Now,

1675
01:35:53,680 --> 01:35:56,880
Speaker 1: we we threw back ninety three channel cats and I

1676
01:35:56,960 --> 01:36:00,080
Speaker 1: would estimate that was probably over six hundred pound. Is

1677
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:04,680
Speaker 1: a rough fish. Uh, I told my son. I told

1678
01:36:04,720 --> 01:36:07,040
Speaker 1: my son about it, and he cried. I said, the son,

1679
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:12,760
Speaker 1: he lives in Lexing. He's uh. I said, I've got

1680
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:15,400
Speaker 1: some home in the freezer. He says, that's not fresh.

1681
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:17,960
Speaker 1: He said, I wanted some fresh fis. I said, I'll

1682
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:20,600
Speaker 1: pick you up. I'll fix you up. But it was

1683
01:36:20,760 --> 01:36:24,960
Speaker 1: outstanding catfishing that up there, the best rod and reel

1684
01:36:25,080 --> 01:36:27,479
Speaker 1: catfish trip I've ever been on in my entire life.

1685
01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:29,640
Speaker 1: So if you haven't had the opportunity to go up

1686
01:36:29,680 --> 01:36:33,320
Speaker 1: there and fish, go up there. We use shrimp and

1687
01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:37,360
Speaker 1: it was non stop for six hours. Largest catfish was

1688
01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:40,240
Speaker 1: fourteen and a half pound. I won the big mug

1689
01:36:40,800 --> 01:36:44,519
Speaker 1: coffee mug for the trip, and uh, the smallest one.

1690
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:46,960
Speaker 1: We had like maybe four or five that you could

1691
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:49,479
Speaker 1: have what we call fiddlers back home. Some people call

1692
01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:51,960
Speaker 1: him whole fries. I would say they probably averaged eight

1693
01:36:52,040 --> 01:36:56,360
Speaker 1: pounds apiece. But it was just an outstanding catfishing trip.

1694
01:36:57,000 --> 01:37:00,880
Speaker 1: All right, let's hear a real hile is here for

1695
01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:07,360
Speaker 1: Kevin Murphy, Mark Kenyon, Ryan Callahan, Jannest and tell us,

1696
01:37:07,880 --> 01:37:11,200
Speaker 1: Oh Jannest, can you uh, thank you everyone so much

1697
01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:13,680
Speaker 1: for coming out. We're gonna go up front and we'll

1698
01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:16,160
Speaker 1: we'll signce the sign stuff and do a bunch of pictures.

1699
01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:18,920
Speaker 1: Have a good old time, and remember I gave you

1700
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:24,840
Speaker 1: like a little job you're gonna do, which is like

1701
01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:28,840
Speaker 1: talk about the I think they're all gone already. The

1702
01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:35,719
Speaker 1: commemorative turkey post. Oh oh really, now you're rocking turkey

1703
01:37:35,720 --> 01:37:38,280
Speaker 1: posts here, they're gone, they're all sold out. Thank you

1704
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:41,839
Speaker 1: for buying those. And then you can also get yourself

1705
01:37:41,960 --> 01:37:46,200
Speaker 1: a genuine um get yourself a genuine Mediator podcast t shirt.

1706
01:37:46,240 --> 01:37:50,559
Speaker 1: Now we have our genuine bouch shirts. Everyone that looks

1707
01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:52,599
Speaker 1: at those shirts, it's like it can't be spelled that way.

1708
01:37:52,640 --> 01:37:55,240
Speaker 1: It has to be b l o u c h put.

1709
01:37:55,280 --> 01:38:02,479
Speaker 1: In fact, in real life Latvian it's flow blocks bloch,

1710
01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:10,000
Speaker 1: not blo b l a u k s with the

1711
01:38:10,160 --> 01:38:12,720
Speaker 1: upside down tent you know, the right side up tent,

1712
01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:15,880
Speaker 1: A little right side up tent on there, so check

1713
01:38:15,920 --> 01:38:17,479
Speaker 1: those out. We're gonna make our way out to the

1714
01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:21,800
Speaker 1: front again. Man, Thank you very much dedicating so much

1715
01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:27,240
Speaker 1: of your time. We've done the show. We've done the

1716
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:29,519
Speaker 1: show for a long time. I love it. It would

1717
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:32,680
Speaker 1: not be possible without you, guys. I love every one

1718
01:38:32,760 --> 01:38:35,640
Speaker 1: of you. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you,

1719
01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:36,080
Speaker 1: thank you.