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Speaker 1: right here in the c l E on Jason Gibbs

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Speaker 1: alongside Andrew Gribble. This is the best podcast available, Episode

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Speaker 1: number nine. As we get a little bit closer to

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Speaker 1: the NFL Draft, inching our way to that finish line

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Speaker 1: and the big night in Cleveland, the big weekend in

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Speaker 1: some of the draft picks will be here. Promises to

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Speaker 1: be an awesome, awesome weekend down on the lakefront. Let's

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Speaker 1: just hope mother nature cooperates and uh, we're We're in

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Speaker 1: a good place. Three weeks from now. We can get

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Speaker 1: the weather, Gribble this week. Three weeks from now, life

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Speaker 1: will be really good. I think, for multiple reasons, I

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Speaker 1: would have been cool with the draft just being this week.

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Speaker 1: You know, nice weather, get it over with before the

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Speaker 1: end of April. We can officially move on to the

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Speaker 1: offseason workout program and get these guys here. But the

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Speaker 1: so I think we can survive. I think we can

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Speaker 1: as well. Coming up on the program today, Bruce Feldman

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Speaker 1: from Fox Sports, The Athletic New York Times best selling author,

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Speaker 1: UH and a guy who's really plugged into the college

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Speaker 1: football landscape joins us, and you want to learn some things.

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Speaker 1: Today is the day Bruce Feldman. UH. Almost thirty minutes

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Speaker 1: with Bruce talking about defensive ends, corners, linebackers, wide receivers,

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Speaker 1: you name it in this draft. Bruce has done a

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Speaker 1: people that he talked to, UH and their thoughts on

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Speaker 1: each one of those picks that he ended up making. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I think with Bruce, I mean, he's one of

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Speaker 1: when we talked to him, is he all every year

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Speaker 1: And it's interesting to get his insight because he's he's

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Speaker 1: right now. These are the stories that are making news

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Speaker 1: this week, three weeks out from the NFL Draft. Mock

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Speaker 1: drafts continuing to have a selecting a linebacker gribble uh.

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Speaker 1: And it's interesting. I'm not saying that they clearly know

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Speaker 1: it is interesting that linebacker keeps coming up to us. Uh.

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Speaker 1: In a lot of these marks, the most recent one

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Speaker 1: seems like the draft now starts at number four and

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Speaker 1: So a lot of moving, a lot of shaking here

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Speaker 1: it all unfold, which is always always a good thing

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Speaker 1: this time of year. For more on the NFL Draft,

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Speaker 1: especially on the defensive side, and the players that are

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Speaker 1: into a difference maker. And as you guys know, I mean,

432
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Speaker 1: if you have a big time edge rusher, I mean,

433
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Speaker 1: that's a that is such a weapon to have that

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Speaker 1: I think, I mean from some of the other guys

435
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Speaker 1: that are talked about in terms of if Jalen Phillips

436
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Speaker 1: is the guy he was that Miami saw, I think

437
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Speaker 1: Jalen Phillips is better than any of the guys who

438
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Speaker 1: do what he does. In this draft, I think there's

439
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,719
Speaker 1: there's two linebackers who probably benefited more from the season

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Speaker 1: happening than Jeremiah USU Cormore and then Zaven Collins. I mean,

441
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Speaker 1: what what about them makes them first round linebackers? And

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Speaker 1: just from what you've heard from NFL guys, why why

443
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Speaker 1: do guys that were just so productive at this position?

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Speaker 1: It seems like linebackers one of those positions that's falling

445
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Speaker 1: a bit just in the draft in importance. Yeah, two

446
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 1: different body types. Zaven Collins is almost like, I don't know,

447
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 1: ten years ago, he's a four three defensive end maybe um,

448
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 1: but he's really good in space. He has a really

449
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Speaker 1: good feel for playing in coverage. He makes a lot

450
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Speaker 1: of plays. He's very athletic. I think one of the

451
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 1: things that kind of I'm not sure if you would

452
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Speaker 1: ask even die hard college football fans or even national

453
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Speaker 1: college football media if you had asked them right now

454
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Speaker 1: in nineteen who's David Collins is. I don't know if

455
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Speaker 1: a lot of them would have known, um, you know,

456
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Speaker 1: because he was like a two star guy and he

457
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Speaker 1: just really he played on a team that had a

458
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Speaker 1: really good year. I mean, they got out out the

459
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Speaker 1: gate and played Oklahoma State, who was the top twenty team,

460
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Speaker 1: and they gave them a really good game. And I

461
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Speaker 1: don't I think people were just like, how good is

462
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Speaker 1: Oklahoma State? Their quarterbacks injured or whatever? And I think

463
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Speaker 1: then people realize, well, the tul Usa defense is pretty

464
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Speaker 1: good and this guy is really really good. Usukarramo is

465
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Speaker 1: you know, he's a guy who is I think maybe

466
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Speaker 1: two twenty pounds and and so this is where he

467
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Speaker 1: fits as a tweener. I think probably some people are like, Okay,

468
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Speaker 1: there's definitely a lot of potential here, but how do

469
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Speaker 1: we want to deploy him? And I think what you

470
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Speaker 1: talk to people who have spent a lot of time

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Speaker 1: around him, based him, coached him, is he's a terrific

472
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Speaker 1: coverage guy and that is a that is quite an asset.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna be um a lot of people, I know

474
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Speaker 1: what Notre Dame think his best football is way is

475
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Speaker 1: really ahead of him. He's from that area. There was

476
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Speaker 1: a story one of the guys told me. They said, uh,

477
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Speaker 1: they've had a game this year where I guess like

478
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Speaker 1: Alan Iverson like showed up to see him because he's

479
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Speaker 1: from that part of that part of Virginia and just

480
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Speaker 1: like um, he said, he's just a really interesting, gifted

481
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Speaker 1: kid who quite honestly, you're for for like a lot

482
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Speaker 1: of time. Um, you know, probably around the early two thousand's,

483
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Speaker 1: Notre Dame didn't have that kind of like guy on

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Speaker 1: the defense who was like super athletic and was just

485
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Speaker 1: like quite honestly that he was the guy that you know,

486
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Speaker 1: Andrew when you were in the you know, doing SEC stuff.

487
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Speaker 1: That's what that was what the SEC had a lot of.

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Speaker 1: It's not what Notre Dame has now. They had Jalen

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Speaker 1: Jalen Smith, you know, like whenever, eight ten years ago,

490
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Speaker 1: but he was a difference maker for what was a

491
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Speaker 1: very good defense. I mean, they had two guys ones

492
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Speaker 1: in the draft and in Jeremiah the other one isn't

493
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Speaker 1: and will be in a year, I guess, and Kyle

494
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 1: Hamilton's who's this long super athletic safety. But those guys

495
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: made Notre Dame really good on defense. So um, you know,

496
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Speaker 1: I think to me, you know, I could see Zaven

497
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Speaker 1: Collins more as a fit for for Cleveland. But I

498
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Speaker 1: think whoever, whichever wherever those guys go, I expect them

499
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Speaker 1: to be longtime NFL starters. Bruce Feldman, our guest from

500
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Speaker 1: Fox Sports and The Athletic On the corner front, there's

501
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Speaker 1: four four top guys that they're kind of all over

502
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Speaker 1: the place in terms of how you want to rank

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Speaker 1: of between certain Horne, Newsome, Caleb Farley's and in trying

504
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Speaker 1: one based on his injury situation. Is there a lot

505
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Speaker 1: of separation between those four? I mean, we think Curtain

506
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Speaker 1: is going to be the first one off the board,

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Speaker 1: but uh, is there a lot of separation between number

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Speaker 1: one and number four at the corner spot? I don't

509
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Speaker 1: think there is. I mean, Newsom is the one who

510
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: kind of blew up late and he you know, from

511
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Speaker 1: talking to people in the Big ten, they were like,

512
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Speaker 1: he is you know, you'd hear like deceptively athletic and

513
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 1: way more athletic than you think. And that's I think

514
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: a function of of Baby Northwestern's profile more than anything else.

515
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Speaker 1: But he was really good and then he had a

516
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Speaker 1: he had a really impressive pro day and how he

517
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Speaker 1: worked out. J C. Horn, to me, is the more

518
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Speaker 1: of the I don't say the wild card because from

519
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Speaker 1: the people I talked to in the SEC, they thought J. C.

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00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: Horne was more talented than than Certan. Now, Curtain came

521
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: to to Alabama as a five star. Everybody knows who

522
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Speaker 1: his dad was. He's he's got, you know, a great

523
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: frame for it. But there are people coaches I've talked

524
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: to who thought J. C. Horne was a bigger problem

525
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: to deal with in terms of they you know, they

526
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: felt like we can beat Pats or Tan. J C.

527
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: Horne is maybe to a fault, will be ultra physical

528
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 1: and handsy and everything, but just like really competitive, really

529
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 1: dynamic athlete, great change of direction had you know, from

530
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Speaker 1: from everything I heard, jac Horn to me is the

531
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Speaker 1: guy that I think could end up being the you know,

532
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 1: the prototypical lockdown corner more than the more than the

533
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Speaker 1: other three. Um. You know, I'm interested to see what

534
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: Caleb Farlea is just because, like it wouldn't surprise me

535
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 1: if he gets drafted by somebody, maybe a little later

536
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: than people initially thought, because, like you said, some injury

537
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: stuff because of questions about how well he tackles, And

538
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 1: maybe two years from now, I could see, you know,

539
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: watching a game and there's some great receiver that Ky

540
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: of Hartley locks up, and all of a sudden, people

541
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: are talking about where did this guy come from? Because

542
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: he just has some really unique gifts and to have

543
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: that kind of speed and that kind of ability to

544
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Speaker 1: accelerate and close while be in the frame he has

545
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 1: and one for me, it's just about you write a

546
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: lot about freak athletes and there might not be a

547
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 1: bigger one in this draft than than Jason away from

548
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: Penn State. And I'm just wondering, how did you how

549
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: do you translate the freak athletic skills? I mean, his

550
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 1: pro day was outstanding, but then the lack of production,

551
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: how how do you? How do people wrap their heads

552
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: around that? And what do you? Is there a better

553
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: projection for him than what than what happened this past year? Yeah,

554
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: I think he had more production in twenty nineteen. Obviously

555
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: in the other guy who's the super freak athlete at

556
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: Penn State, Um, Michael Parsons. He didn't play. He opted out.

557
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: I think without Michael Parsons, I think that hurt a

558
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: lot of other people on that defense, just because Michael

559
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: Parsons would have been the focus game plan and that

560
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: would have given people a lot more uh to deal

561
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: with Pennce. They had good edge rushers around him. Shaka

562
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: Tony is a good player. I mean, they've had a

563
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: bunch of guys who I think are pretty talented, especially

564
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: at that position. I think this is a tough evaluation

565
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: because he's a remarkable athlete. Is he a remarkable football player?

566
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: Like he's not Jalen Phillips. Jalen Phillips makes a ton

567
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: of plays and Jalen Phillips is much more powerful. But

568
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: I mean just in terms of like he's a he's

569
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: a jaw dropping athlete in terms of how he can

570
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: run and his explosiveness. But when I think of um,

571
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: you know there's a quity pay as another one. He's

572
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: a different body type. He's six to two, six to

573
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: seventy with an insane ability to change direction. And you know,

574
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: he had more of a productive career at Michigan. But

575
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: there are some guys like that where you wonder is

576
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: their best football just ahead of them or are are

577
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: they going to be kind of underachievers because their their

578
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: production doesn't match up with their with their workouts, and

579
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: so I don't know, Like the best case scenario me

580
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: for Jason Oway is ziggy Ansa went to b y

581
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: U and was bounced around position wise how they used them,

582
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: had some but marginal success, but obviously it was an

583
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: amazing athlete. And then he got drafted into the NFL

584
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: and had a very productive career um as an edge rusher,

585
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: and Jason always even faster. Um. I just don't know,

586
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: you know, if you told me somebody was drafted him

587
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: in the top and be like, Okay, this is gonna

588
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: be interesting, you know, just like just the lack of

589
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: production would scare me, you know a little about him.

590
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: I mean like in terms of I had another on

591
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: my freaks list who was high up, um boy a

592
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: mofi at at Minnesota who's an edge rusher, was extremely

593
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: explosive athlete, and they thought was going to have a

594
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: breakout year and he really didn't. Um. And again this

595
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: is you know, it's a pandemic year and there's a

596
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: lot of stuff that went on. But there are some

597
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: guys like that who are just you know, remarkable workout

598
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: athletes who maybe you don't have the feel for rushing,

599
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: you know, for rushing the quarterback. And I don't. I'm

600
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: not saying I wouldn't draft Jason o A, but just

601
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: in terms of if you looked at his numbers, you'd

602
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, this guy's a top ten pick. If

603
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: you watch him, you're like, okay, maybe he's maybe he's

604
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: a second or third round guy. And then I guess

605
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: the last one reading a guy that it might be

606
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: a similarly tough evaluation. But Christian Barmore is probably the

607
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: top ranked defensive tackle, it seems like. But it's another

608
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: one of those guys at Alabama that had to wait

609
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: a lot to play and it seems like the light

610
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: came on at the end. Is that another tough evaluation

611
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: you think for for teams or is this or is

612
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: he just he just had to wait too long to play? Yeah?

613
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: I think he was behind some good players. Um, I

614
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: you know, I think you told me he was a

615
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: top fifteen pick. I'd be like, oh, that surprises me

616
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: a little bit if he said he was a late

617
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: first round guy. Um, maybe I don't think this is

618
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: not He was not Quentin Williams, you know, like who

619
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: was an absolute like offense recker when he was at Alabama,

620
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: who just you know, obviously went top five. This guy

621
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: is not Leonard Williams, you know who was at USC

622
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: and then went high. And I I think he's a

623
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: really good player. I don't know, you know, like I

624
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: think he's a tenure NFL probably starter. I just don't

625
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: know if he's a guy who's a Pro Bowl guy, Bruce, Uh,

626
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: real quick. I know we were up a guest that

627
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: we appreciate your time today. Everything's been awesome and it's

628
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: been great having you. Kyle Pitts or Jamaar Chase, which

629
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: one would you take? I hate this question. I think

630
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: there are two guys. I think there's three guys who

631
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: are like, Okay, I feel like this guy is a

632
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: real good chance to be a Hall of Famer. Two

633
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: of them are the ones you just asked about. The

634
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: other one is Michael Parsons. Um. I don't know. I think,

635
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: I think, I don't think you're gonna go wrong either one.

636
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: I think Kyle Pitts is different in that he's just

637
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: I don't know who the like last Kyle Pitts ish

638
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,479
Speaker 1: tight end in terms of guy is. I don't even

639
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: want to say who. So when I did that mock draft,

640
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: there was somebody I talked to who was a coach

641
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: in the SEC who works with a former longtime NFL

642
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: head coach and NFL coach, and that particular person, I guess,

643
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: and this is all second hand, said he thought Kyle

644
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: Pitts was better than Antonio Gates and gonna be better

645
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: than I forgot who the second Tony Gonzalez, and I

646
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: was just like, Wow, that's heavy statement. Like Jamaar Chase,

647
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: I think will be a great NFL receiver. Um. I mean,

648
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 1: people talk about Kyle Pitts like he could be as

649
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: good a tight end has ever played the game, you know,

650
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: so as much as I'm and I was around Jamar

651
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: Chase a lot more because I spent a lot of

652
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen around that L s U national title team.

653
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: So I saw how he practiced. I saw what he

654
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: was like against Derek Stanley, who isn't in the draft

655
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: but would be probably the highest rated cornerback if he

656
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: was eligible to be in this draft. And I saw

657
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase beat him pretty often in one on ones

658
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: that at L s U practice. But Kyle Pitts is like,

659
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: is a hard one to say the other guy no

660
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: matter who the other guy is, you know, and look,

661
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: I get it's a quarterback, quarterback, um world in the NFL.

662
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: But I mean if you were to say which of these,

663
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: let's say it goes one to three, you know, as

664
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 1: we're taping, you know, taping this, Trevor lawre Rents, Zack

665
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: and then Mac Jones, I mean I would if it

666
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 1: was like them the house versus Kyle Pitts. Who ends up,

667
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: you know, has the best chance to be a Hall

668
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: of Famer. I'm gonna take Kyle Pitts on that. So

669
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess my long answer is I'm

670
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: gonna take top Pits. Sorry, Jamal, No, no problem. All right,

671
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: one real quick one here before we let you go.

672
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: You listed you ranked your top twenty five college football coaches,

673
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: and obviously you had Saban won debo two, and you

674
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: have Brian Kelly three. Who's your favorite coach to talk to?

675
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: What do you Is there one that you learned something

676
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 1: from every time you talk to him that you're entertained by.

677
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: Who's your favorite coach to talk to? That's a good question. Um,

678
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: you know, there's a bunch of guys who I would

679
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: say not aren't like like this is kind of an

680
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 1: off the record, I don't even not AfOR this is

681
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: kind of like an off the beaten path answer. But

682
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: like Neil Brown, the coach at West Virginia, is somebody

683
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: who I think is just really really smart and really

684
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: really um is an interesting guy to talk to, the

685
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: one who who I always feel like I learned something

686
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: when I'm around is is Matt Campbell, the Iowa State coach.

687
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:17,959
Speaker 1: And he's a great coach. He's in the top ten

688
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: of our list, of my list, But um, like, I

689
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: think with him, like a lot of times we as

690
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: reporters get caught into the scheme stuff which we kind

691
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: of think is trendy and sexy or whatever, and I

692
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: think what he's really good at seeing is Okay, this

693
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: is why I bought into this. And it's like, you know,

694
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: culture gets overused a lot, but I think there's so

695
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: much substance to him, you know, just like kind of

696
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: um you know. I remember doing one of his games

697
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: they played at Oklahoma. It was when Jalen Hurts was

698
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: the quarterback, so it was two years ago and they're

699
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: down twenty one to nothing, and they had a couple

700
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: of players, one of them was their best defensive player

701
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: drop what should have been a pick six. I don't

702
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: know if both would have been picked six, but one

703
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: would have for sure, And so I can't I'm walking

704
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: back on the field start of the start of the

705
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: second half with him across the field in Oklahoma, and

706
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: I was like, I forgot what My question was, like,

707
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: how do you how do you get this team back

708
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: in the game, and he kind of rattled through a

709
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: bunch of things that he said, and he goes, all

710
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: I know is, I know our team is gonna play

711
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: their ass off, We're coming back. And the game went

712
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: down to the last play and I was just like

713
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: they lost based on a two point play. And you know,

714
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: it's like for the people who are in the NFL

715
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: and you kind of hear his name, but it's like,

716
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 1: you're probably not paying much attention to Iowa State unless

717
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: you have a connection to the place. Um, you go, Okay,

718
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: it's a little like Pat Fitz, but Pat Fitz is

719
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 1: more out there, um in terms of visibility, has been

720
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: there longer. But I think with Campbell it's like he's

721
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: the deal in terms of anybody's been around him and

722
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: spend some time with him, Like, Okay, I totally get it.

723
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: There's sometimes some names get trendy as people kind of

724
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: buzz about. You know, maybe they had a great quarterback

725
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: one year and oh they're gonna get you know, the

726
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: NFL is gonna sniff around on him. With Matt Campbell,

727
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: anybody who's spent time around him, you understand why Bruce

728
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: we appreciate the time. Just awesome stuff and we appreciate

729
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: that all all you do, and we enjoy reading you

730
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: and following you and watching you on Fox Sports. Continued success,

731
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 1: all the best. Make sure you follow him on Twitter

732
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 1: at Bruce Feltman's CFB. Subscribe to The Athletic Today to

733
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: to read his great stuff and Bruce continued success and

734
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: enjoy of a little bit of downtime before this all

735
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 1: ramps up again. And here's hoping one we're we're back

736
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: to somewhat of a normal college football season. As you

737
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,720
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, Now, I appreciate I love talking about the draft,

738
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: and you know, it's been fun. I mean, as somebody

739
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 1: covered Baker a lot, you know, I kinda I try

740
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on on them just because he

741
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: was a blast to cover. So um, I'm excited to

742
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: see what happens in a couple of weeks. Bruce, all

743
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: the best, Thanks again, Thanks guys, Thanks to Bruce Feldman

744
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: for his time, his insight, and his analysis. Great stuff

745
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,720
Speaker 1: from him. Uh you can catch him on Fox Sports,

746
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: and make sure you subscribe to The Athletic Today to

747
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: catch his work. Uh done some really really great stuff

748
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: and as you mentioned, Gribble dipped his head, dipped his

749
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,919
Speaker 1: pen into the draft stuff here over the last couple

750
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: of years and done a nice job with it. Your

751
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: biggest takeaway from Bruce Feldman, Well, I just think the

752
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: knowledge of that he has is so is so vast,

753
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: and honestly, it made me encourage by the things he

754
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,760
Speaker 1: said about some of these players, because I think ultimately

755
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: we asked him about a lot of defensive guys, and

756
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 1: I think ultimately one of these guys is going to

757
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: be available for the Browns at some point. And I

758
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: think that when you're picking a defensive player in the

759
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: first round of draft, you're tending to get a little

760
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: bit of value, especially this year with some of these

761
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,439
Speaker 1: offensive players going pretty high in the first round. So

762
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: I think the Browns are in position to get a

763
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: good player. It's just not someone I can definitively predict

764
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: at this point, because twenty six is a lot of

765
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: picks to wait before you make that selection. All Right,

766
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,760
Speaker 1: speaking of that time, for our third segment of the program,

767
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: will or will not? Will the player be there? At

768
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,760
Speaker 1: do we think today three weeks out from the draft? Again,

769
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,439
Speaker 1: a lot can change in three weeks, as we've seen

770
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 1: over the last couple of weeks with numerous teams around

771
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: the league, will that player be there or will they not? Gribble,

772
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: I'll start with you, Quitty pay Edge Michigan, will or

773
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: will not be there at twenty six. I'm gonna go

774
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: with will not. And I think it's because a lot

775
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: of people think he's maybe the top pass rusher in

776
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: this year's draft, and I just don't see him the

777
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 1: top pass rusher going all the way down to twenty six.

778
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: And I think with pay he's got the perfect mix

779
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: of like physical freakish upside and had just enough production

780
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: where at Michigan where you can think this guy can

781
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: turn that athletic ability into production, and I think that

782
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: will be enough. I think it'll be after the midpoint

783
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: of the draft, but I think he'll be probably gone

784
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: right around that, all right. J C. Horn for me

785
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: corner at South Carolina, I think we would all love him. Gribbs.

786
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: I think we would all love to see him at

787
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: picky six. I think his stock is rising. I think

788
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 1: he's probably the number two corner on the board right now.

789
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: With with Farley's injury, uh and not really sure you

790
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: know what his status is going to be Unfortunately, I

791
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: think he will not be there at pick number twenty

792
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: six for the Browns. Jalen Phillips defensive end out of Miami.

793
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 1: Will he or will he not be there at twenty

794
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 1: six in your opinion, you know, I'm gonna go with willnot.

795
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 1: And I know that Bruce touched on some of the

796
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: questions regarding him that teams are going to have to

797
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: get answered in the pre draft sess that they're gonna

798
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: have to be comfortable with, whether it's the concussion history

799
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: or his time at E. C l A. Things like that.

800
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: But I think that the memories of what he did

801
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: last season are just gonna be too fresh. And I

802
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: think that so you have the combination of the athleticism,

803
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: how beat for Miami last year, I think he's gonna

804
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: be tough to to. Let's sit there all the way

805
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,760
Speaker 1: to twenty six. I think he I think he'll be gone,

806
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 1: and I think that that may that may make the

807
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 1: Browns decision easier at six if he's off the board,

808
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: because I think he's a really good player. Uh, that

809
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: would make you, especially with his other teammate at Miami,

810
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: deciding which one to take. I think that he's probably

811
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: gonna be the first one of the two, uh Jeremiah

812
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: Oosu Coamoa. And the fact that I got through that

813
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: without screwing it up. That's perfect old linebacker Notre Dame.

814
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: I think he will be there at pick number twenty six.

815
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: And the reason I think the corners are moving up

816
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,959
Speaker 1: the board and I think the linebackers are getting pushed back,

817
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden too, I'm starting to seeing

818
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: a lot of mock drafts GRIBs, a lot of offensive

819
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: lineman movement up and all of a sudden, I think

820
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: I think there could be runs on both of those positions,

821
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: which what You're going to push a lot of those

822
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: linebackers down, and hence why maybe we're seeing linebackers still

823
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: mocked with the Browns to pick. Yeah, He's an interesting

824
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: one because I I think there's a you can look

825
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: at it two ways. His versatility could be huge for

826
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: a team. I mean, I think with the way he

827
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: how athletic he is, and you could put him at safety,

828
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: you could put him a linebacker, and then but then

829
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: you wonder, our team is gonna be like, well, where

830
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: where do we play him? Like? And then that might

831
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: draw some hesitancy it's it's like I think some people

832
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: have compared him to Isaiah Simmons but said he's not

833
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: quite there yet, so we'll be interesting. I would have

834
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: I would have personally picked well not, but I think

835
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: it would not surprise me if you got to that point,

836
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: all right for you. Gregory Rousseau, the other defensive end

837
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 1: from Miami, I'm gonna go with will and I did

838
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: have him in my last mock draft going to Browns.

839
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: And I think that again, I think the year off

840
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: has hurt some of these guys that maybe weren't this

841
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: the sure thing. I mean, you hear it brought up

842
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: with everyone, including Bruce earlier, the one year and I

843
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: think one year of college football basically could could make

844
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: some draw some hesitancy, especially when that one year was

845
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: not last year. And I think that he is a

846
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: talented player that had a huge two thousand nineteen, but

847
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: I think he could be someone like where the Browns

848
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: at six could really find something great and I think

849
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: I think he could be there. Greg Newsome Corner out

850
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: of Northwestern, I am on the fence big time. I

851
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: feel like if he's there when the Bears are picking,

852
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: there's a solid chance the Bears could pluck him right

853
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: out of their own backyard. I feel like Jacksonville maybe

854
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 1: could make a play for him. I'm going to say

855
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: will will not be there, but I would love to

856
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 1: see him on the board at pick twenty six. But

857
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: I think his stock is rising to the point where

858
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: someone in of five picks before us is gonna end

859
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: up snagging him. Yeah. I think Newsom is like a

860
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: high floor kind of guy where it's like you draft

861
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: him and you know you can plug him in and

862
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: I think you're you're no matter what, you're getting a

863
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: solid player. And I think that's the that could be

864
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: the draw of him with the teams and brother Browns

865
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: all right for you. Caleb Farley, cornerback, Virginia Tech. This

866
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: is a tough one. I I'm gonna go with will

867
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: not and I think that which could be great for

868
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: if everything checks out medically. But this is a draft

869
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 1: process where there is a lot of unknowns and there's

870
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: a lot of uncertainty based on the weirdness of the

871
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: last year. If this stuff, if you know this guy

872
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: has had back surgery, no matter how minor it is,

873
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: that that qualifies as a known that's something you know

874
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: compared to something you don't know, And I just I

875
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 1: we see these guys every year that fall because of injuries,

876
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 1: whether it be Miles Back Jalen Smith with the Cowboys.

877
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: These are more serious injuries, obviously, but it seems like

878
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: the injuries are always the biggest hang ups with some

879
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: of these guys, and that to me, with not knowing

880
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: anything about the actual nature of the injury, I just

881
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 1: wonder how teams are going to evaluate it, because I

882
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: think he's a talented player, and I think that all

883
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: it does is take one team ahead of the Browns

884
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: to be like, all right, we're good at this, this this

885
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: is a steel We're gonna take this guy. But it

886
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: just wouldn't surprise me. So I again, could be a

887
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: great value for the Browns at twenty six, but we'll

888
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: we'll see if he gets that far, because I could

889
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 1: then end up looking really silly here and he goes

890
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: at like number nine or something like that, you know,

891
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: I mean, that's how that's how good he is. Yeah,

892
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 1: I think medicals are actually happening this week in Indianapolis,

893
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: so I think, you know, hopefully we'll start hearing a

894
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: few things and maybe getting some additional information on his status.

895
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I have him falling, I have Newsom leaping

896
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: over him, and and Horn ahead of him. But like

897
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: you said, it wouldn't surprise me if all of a

898
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: sudden twelve he's gone by by pick twelve he's off

899
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: the board because of his talent. Yeah, I mean, and

900
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: again it's it's it can also be a by practice,

901
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: like all these other corners have been really good, and

902
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 1: that that's where it comes to. How many teams actually

903
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: want to take a corner with their first round pick. Again,

904
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: when I look at this, this list of like five corners,

905
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: I don't see one that would disappoint me, honestly, So

906
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: I think that it'll be interesting what order to actually

907
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: go in here. All Right, I'm gonna flip flop things

908
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,240
Speaker 1: because I want you to, because you've talked about him before,

909
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: uh in some of our earlier mock drafts and some

910
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: of our podcast that's Jason oy uh the Edge out

911
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: of Penn State. Will he or will he not? BEI

912
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: there at pick number twenty six. I mean, if there

913
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: was a combine, this guy would have been the Combine

914
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: All Star, which tends to help some people. But then

915
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: you look at a guy like dk Metcalf who was

916
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: the combine all starting and you fell because of the

917
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: some questions about his productivity. And I think he'll I

918
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: think o A will be there And I just think

919
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: that for me, it's gonna come down to can can

920
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: a team in the top twenty five take a pass

921
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: rusher that didn't have any sacks last year and I

922
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: think that that's that's what you'd have to wrap your

923
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: head around because I just do think this guy is

924
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 1: a total athletic freak. I mean, it reminds me of

925
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 1: what was what was the guy with the Bears, like

926
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: Leonard Floyd, like that kind of pass rusher, like the

927
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: super athletic guy who turned out to be super a

928
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 1: really good player for the Bears for these last few years.

929
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: And it's one of those where it's more about trusting

930
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 1: your coaching ability to like harness what that what you

931
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: can do with that athleticism, because it's it's truly got

932
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: give him. But I think that he's someone that is

933
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: going to cause a lot of back and forth in

934
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: rooms because you just watch what he can do and

935
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 1: you're like, this is incredible, but then you have the

936
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: other people asking why didn't he get to the quarterback

937
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 1: more so, I do think he will, and it's just

938
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 1: he's he'll be an interesting case study on on what

939
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 1: team's value and where where that falls. Yeah, I think

940
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: there's a couple of guys like that. And the final

941
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: one a Sante Samuel Jr. The corner out of Florida State.

942
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: I think he's the one corner that I that I

943
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: can say with confidence that I believe he will be

944
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: there at I'm not sure about any of the other ones.

945
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: I think he will be there. I feel confident in

946
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,760
Speaker 1: saying he will be there. Um, you know, the question

947
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: is where is he in regards to everybody else in

948
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: in that in that corner class and can he be

949
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: a guy that can be a Day one impact type

950
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,959
Speaker 1: of player at pick six for the Browns. How about

951
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: the pedigree in this year's cornerbacks class. I mean you

952
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 1: got Certan J. C. Horne, I mean with the connection

953
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 1: to Joe Horn and then that's not I mean, this

954
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: is wild. I mean that's we've never I don't know.

955
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: It's making me feel old first off, and then secondly,

956
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 1: how have you had like one position group have this

957
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: much NFL pedigree And that's just crazy. Yeah, it'll be

958
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: interesting to see. I think he's there. I think he's

959
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 1: an option for the Browns at pick over twenty six.

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00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: We want to thank Bruce Feldman for his time, all

961
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 1: of his time and his insight fantastic interview. Uh Jeff

962
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: McDaniel for all of his hard work behind the scenes.

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Speaker 1: how things unfold. Will there be another big trade in

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