WEBVTT - Disorganized Crime, Pt. 1

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<v Speaker 1>Cool Zone Media.

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<v Speaker 2>In December of twenty eighteen, a jury in Charlottesville, Virginia

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<v Speaker 2>returned a guilty verdict in the trial of James Alexfields Junior.

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<v Speaker 2>They recommended a sentence of life in prison for the

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<v Speaker 2>murder of Heather Hire and another four hundred and nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>years for the wounding of members of the crowd of

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<v Speaker 2>peaceful demonstrators he'd rammed with his car after a Nazi

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<v Speaker 2>rally the previous summer. I remember sitting in that courtroom

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<v Speaker 2>when the verdict was read aloud. It was filled to capacity.

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<v Speaker 2>I could barely write in my notebook for the lack

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<v Speaker 2>of elbow room almost usually empty wooden benches. This was

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<v Speaker 2>big news. Reporters from outlets all over the country, the

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<v Speaker 2>world even had descended on Charlottesville to write about this trial,

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<v Speaker 2>and beyond the walls of my local courtroom, reporters who

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't make it to the trial in person were writing

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<v Speaker 2>about it too. Every time, Charlottesville's back in the news

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<v Speaker 2>for all the wrong reasons. Little newspapers and towns you've

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<v Speaker 2>never heard of look for local angles. On the aftermath

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<v Speaker 2>of that Nazi rally, they interview middle school classmates of

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<v Speaker 2>men who were identified in photos of violent mobs that

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<v Speaker 2>beat students with torches and bloodied members of the clergy

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<v Speaker 2>in a public park. After that verdict was in in

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<v Speaker 2>December of twenty eighteen, in a tiny town in May,

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<v Speaker 2>eight hundred miles away from Charlottesville, a reporter from the

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<v Speaker 2>Ellsworth American found her local angle as front pages of

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<v Speaker 2>newspapers everywhere were once again filled with pictures of Nazis.

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<v Speaker 2>She paid a visit to a Nazi who had been

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<v Speaker 2>living in their midst in Maine for decades. He hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>marched in Charlottesville. His marching days are long.

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<v Speaker 1>Passed, but at ninety eight years old, Frank Smith still

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<v Speaker 1>had fond memories of his close friendship with Commander George

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<v Speaker 1>Lincoln Rockwell.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm my conguered and this is weird. Little guys. You

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<v Speaker 2>probably thought we were moving on from the American Nazi Party.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought I was done too. I never even really

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<v Speaker 2>had much interest in writing about the party's founder, George

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<v Speaker 2>Lincoln Rockwell at all. I did four episodes in three

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<v Speaker 2>weeks about his assassination and a whole episode about his

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<v Speaker 2>weird funeral. How much could there really be left to

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<v Speaker 2>say about the circumstances surrounding one man's death a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>as it turns out, and I was willing to let

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<v Speaker 2>it lie, to leave some stones unturned, to leave some

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<v Speaker 2>stories for another day, move on for now, and put

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<v Speaker 2>a pin in some of these events, to revisit down

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<v Speaker 2>the road with a different weird little guy as our

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<v Speaker 2>focal point. There are so many side characters in the

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<v Speaker 2>story of the American Nazi Party who warrant their own episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no doubt that I will eventually subject you

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<v Speaker 2>to God, probably at least a month's worth of episodes

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<v Speaker 2>about William Luther Pearce. And obviously eventually we'll have to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about James Mason. Before he was an elderly pedophile

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<v Speaker 2>living in government housing in Denver and advising young terrorists,

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<v Speaker 2>he was a teenage boy who joined the American Nazi Party,

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<v Speaker 2>and Ralph Forbes had a long, strange career that I'd

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<v Speaker 2>like to dig into. So I know we aren't done

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<v Speaker 2>with these characters, and I know I can't get lost

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<v Speaker 2>down every rabbit hole while I'm just trying to get

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<v Speaker 2>across the finish line on one story. But there was

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<v Speaker 2>one strange little side quest that I couldn't let go

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<v Speaker 2>of Frank Smith. Something about Frank just wouldn't let me

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<v Speaker 2>mark him down in my notes as something to come

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<v Speaker 2>back to later. He was setting off my weird little

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<v Speaker 2>guy radar in a way I could not ignore. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you my instincts were not wrong. I found

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<v Speaker 2>dynamite organized crime, FBI wiredtap memos about mafia hits, a

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<v Speaker 2>fake church, a nazi's mistress having a secret baby under

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<v Speaker 2>a fake name, And for some reason, the disgraced mayor

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<v Speaker 2>of Pawtucket, Rhode Island, if he listened to the last

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<v Speaker 2>five episodes, the ones about Rockwell's murder and his funeral,

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<v Speaker 2>you heard a little bit about Frank Smith. You even

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<v Speaker 2>heard from Frank himself in clips from interviews over the years.

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<v Speaker 2>He very publicly insisted that John Patler was not guilty

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<v Speaker 2>of the murder of George Lincoln Rockwell. He set it

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<v Speaker 2>on the stand at Patler's trial in nineteen sixty seven,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was still saying it fifty years later, in

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<v Speaker 2>a rambling interview with a South African neo Nazi in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty sixteen. And you might remember him from the dramatic

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<v Speaker 2>shootout with Christopher Vidyevitch in nineteen sixty eight, an incident

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<v Speaker 2>that Frank believed was an attempted assassination to prevent him

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<v Speaker 2>from getting to the real truth about Rockwell's murder. In

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<v Speaker 2>the two biographies of Rockwell that I read while I

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<v Speaker 2>was researching John Patler, Frank Smith really just gets a

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<v Speaker 2>few passing mentions as a member of the American Nazi

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<v Speaker 2>Party and as a witness at Patler's trial. But when

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<v Speaker 2>I start started reading the actual trial transcripts, something caught

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<v Speaker 2>my eye. I can't quite describe it. He talks like

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<v Speaker 2>a con man. I don't know how else to put it.

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<v Speaker 2>I've sat through a fair number of trials, and I've

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<v Speaker 2>read thousands of pages of trial transcripts, over a thousand

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<v Speaker 2>in this case alone. And most people aren't great on

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<v Speaker 2>the stand. They're nervous. They give short answers, and when

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<v Speaker 2>you press them, they sort of backtrack. They don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to commit to a lot of specific, hard details, especially

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<v Speaker 2>if you push hard and they get rattled on cross examination.

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<v Speaker 2>Most people do, it's normal, But Frank Smith was chatty

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<v Speaker 2>up there. I mean, he talked up a storm on

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<v Speaker 2>the witness stand. He was giving answers that spanned multiple

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<v Speaker 2>pages of the transcript without interruption from the attorney asking

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<v Speaker 2>him the questions. He claimed to recollect specific verbatim quotes

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<v Speaker 2>from long conversations, but he would never quite commit to

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<v Speaker 2>the specifics when it came to exactly where he was

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<v Speaker 2>at any particular time. Specifically, there's no proof of where

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<v Speaker 2>he was or wasn't at three pm on June twenty seventh,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty seven. There's only so much they could ask

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<v Speaker 2>him about June twenty seventh, nineteen sixty seven. At that trial,

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<v Speaker 2>he wasn't on trial, and George Lincoln Rockwell didn't die

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<v Speaker 2>on June twenty seventh. Rockwell died on August twenty fifth,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty seven, and John Patler killed him. But Rockwell

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<v Speaker 2>had survived a prior assassination attempt just two months before

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<v Speaker 2>his death. As he was pulling into the driveway with

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<v Speaker 2>the Nazi Party barracks in Arlington, Virginia that afternoon, someone

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<v Speaker 2>fired a single shot at him, but they missed, and

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<v Speaker 2>I assumed, Well, that was John Patler, right, that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>At his trial, a witness said that he saw him

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<v Speaker 2>doing target practice in July, the month before the murder.

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<v Speaker 2>In August, So you can see how it would make

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<v Speaker 2>sense to assume that he tried to shoot Rockwell in June.

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<v Speaker 2>He missed, he practiced some, he tried again. His aim

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<v Speaker 2>was better the second time. Rockwell's dead makes sense. When

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<v Speaker 2>Rockwell wrote about the assassination attempt in his newsletter, he

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<v Speaker 2>said he didn't see who did it, But at trial,

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<v Speaker 2>Mantius Cole testified that Rockwell had privately confined him that

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<v Speaker 2>the shooter was John Patler. William Luther Pierce years later,

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<v Speaker 2>told his own biographer the same thing. Rockwell told me

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<v Speaker 2>he saw him, and it was Patler, And like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>it makes perfect sense that that's who it would have been.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't think it was. I don't think John

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<v Speaker 2>Patler was the only person who took a shot at

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<v Speaker 2>George Lincoln Rockwall in the summer of nineteen sixty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we've covered this, but Patler's alibi on the day

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<v Speaker 2>of the actual murder was no good. His wife and

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<v Speaker 2>his father in law testified to his schedule that morning,

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<v Speaker 2>he'd been running errands with his wife. He couldn't possibly

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<v Speaker 2>have gotten to the murder scene. But when push comes

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<v Speaker 2>to shove, the times weren't right, and witnesses couldn't really

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<v Speaker 2>be sure when and where they'd seen him. I still

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<v Speaker 2>believe that he fired the shot that killed Rockwell, but

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<v Speaker 2>on the day that someone shot at Rockwell and missed.

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<v Speaker 2>On June twenty seventh, John Patler was in Washington, d c.

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<v Speaker 2>Taking a drawing class. People saw him. His name was

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<v Speaker 2>on the sign in sheet, and a witness testified to

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<v Speaker 2>having taken attendance that day himself. This wasn't a member

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<v Speaker 2>of the American Nazi Party or his wife. This is

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<v Speaker 2>someone with no reason to lie for him. John Patler

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't have been in Arlington on the afternoon of June

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seventh when Rockwell saw this would be assassin sprinting away.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he did recognize him. According to the college

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<v Speaker 2>student who was in the car with him when this happened,

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<v Speaker 2>he cried out in surprise when he saw the man,

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<v Speaker 2>and what he said was the Holy Father. It's an

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<v Speaker 2>odd sort of thing to yell, you know. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>quite oh my God or Jesus Christ, things you might

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<v Speaker 2>say if someone was shooting at you. But the Holy

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<v Speaker 2>Father isn't really a thing people say, at least not

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<v Speaker 2>as far as I know. I mean, it is what

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<v Speaker 2>Catholics call the pope, but they don't use it as

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<v Speaker 2>an exclamation. And Rockwell was raised Methodist anyway, The young

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<v Speaker 2>man who heard him yell this didn't really think much

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<v Speaker 2>of it. He didn't know that it was someone's name.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a nickname that Rockwell had given Frank Smith,

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<v Speaker 2>and it didn't have all that much to do with religion.

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<v Speaker 2>Frank Smith really was holy in the sense that a

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<v Speaker 2>mafia hit man had put five bullet holes in him

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<v Speaker 2>right around the time he joined the American Nazi Party.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's start at the beginning. Francis Joseph Smith the

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<v Speaker 2>second was born in Massachusetts in December nineteen twenty, just

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<v Speaker 2>a few months after his parents' marriage. According to the

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen forty census, when he was nineteen, he was working

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<v Speaker 2>as a waiter and living at home with his parents

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<v Speaker 2>and two younger siblings in Medford, Massachusetts. It's hard to

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<v Speaker 2>say what he got up to in the nineteen forties,

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<v Speaker 2>but when he was arrested for bank robbery for the

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<v Speaker 2>first time in nineteen fifty two, newspapers reported his occupation

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<v Speaker 2>as a boxing promoter. Maybe everybody else already knew this,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm going to sound silly, but I never gave

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<v Speaker 2>it much thought until I was writing about it this week.

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<v Speaker 2>Boxing was run by organized crime. I mean, I had

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<v Speaker 2>this vague notion about fixed fights and sports betting, but

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<v Speaker 2>in the nineteen fifties, the mafia ran boxing top to bottom.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they had a monopoly on the sport that

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<v Speaker 2>the Department of Justice had to get involved with. They

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<v Speaker 2>didn't just promote the fights, fix the fights, and profit

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<v Speaker 2>off the fights. They also coerced young boxers to do

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<v Speaker 2>a little work outside the ring, off the books, and

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<v Speaker 2>they were recruited to work as street level enforcers. And

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<v Speaker 2>not having that knowledge top of mind, as I was

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<v Speaker 2>going over all these old newspaper clippings, it seemed so

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<v Speaker 2>strange to me that every time Frank Smith got arrested

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<v Speaker 2>in the nineteen fifties, all of his named associates seemed

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<v Speaker 2>to be current or former boxers or boxing promoters. I thought,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe the boys met at the boxing gym.

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<v Speaker 2>But given the context of New York and Boston in

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<v Speaker 2>the fifties, the fact that all of these accused bank

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<v Speaker 2>robbers and murderers are also boxers is really just short

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<v Speaker 2>of absolute proof. That the crimes were mafia related. Admittedly,

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<v Speaker 2>I did not have time this week to learn about

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<v Speaker 2>a whole new genre of terrible guy. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>saw every episode of The Sopranos, obviously, but I don't

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<v Speaker 2>actually know that much about organized crime, especially outside of

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<v Speaker 2>the big New York names, because we're talking about Boston

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<v Speaker 2>and Providence and there is apparently a lot to know,

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<v Speaker 2>And I bet the story would have made more sense

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<v Speaker 2>faster if I had some pre existing knowledge of this world.

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<v Speaker 2>But this isn't my usual kind of guy, so we'll

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<v Speaker 2>have to make do. My apologies to any listeners from

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<v Speaker 2>New England who know the deep lore. In February of

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifty two, a twenty four year old pants salesman

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<v Speaker 2>named Arthur Schuster was riding the subway in Brooklyn when

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<v Speaker 2>he saw someone who looked familiar. It wasn't someone he knew,

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<v Speaker 2>but he recognized the man from the wanted poster that

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<v Speaker 2>had been sitting in his office for months. It was

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<v Speaker 2>the missing bank robber Willie Sutton. He followed Sutton off

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<v Speaker 2>the train and alerted the police to his location, leading

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<v Speaker 2>to the arrest of a man who was on the

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<v Speaker 2>very first FBI's most wanted the list. A few days

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<v Speaker 2>after Willy Sutton was arrested, Arthur Schuster went to the press.

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<v Speaker 2>He believed that he'd been cheated out of a cash

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<v Speaker 2>reward for this tip. It turned out the seventy thousand

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<v Speaker 2>dollars reward was just an urban legend, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>too late in his quest for credit. Every newspaper in

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<v Speaker 2>New York City had already run his picture. Two weeks later,

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<v Speaker 2>he was shot in the head outside of his apartment.

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<v Speaker 2>Police and FBI were scrambling to find the kiseller, and

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<v Speaker 2>in May they thought they had. They arrested Harvey Bostani,

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<v Speaker 2>a known associate of Willie Sutton's and a career bank

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<v Speaker 2>robber in his own right. They didn't exactly have enough

0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:17.240
<v Speaker 2>to charge Bastani in connection with the murder, but they

0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:19.480
<v Speaker 2>were able to hold him for questioning because he was

0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:23.920
<v Speaker 2>already wanted in connection with several armed robberies, a handful

0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:27.840
<v Speaker 2>of burglaries involving safe cracking and the theft of nearly

0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:32.200
<v Speaker 2>thirty thousand dollars worth of fur coats. And once they

0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:37.760
<v Speaker 2>had Bastanian custody, they started rolling up his associates. Over

0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:40.320
<v Speaker 2>the course of two weeks. In May of nineteen fifty two,

0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:46.400
<v Speaker 2>the FBI arrested twelve men in Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and Chicago,

0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:49.520
<v Speaker 2>all of whom were believed to have been in Bastani's

0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:54.960
<v Speaker 2>bank robbery. Gay Arthur Schuster's murder was never actually solved,

0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:58.880
<v Speaker 2>although years later a mob informant would claim that the

0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:04.600
<v Speaker 2>hit had been ordered by a Gambino family boss. One

0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:07.080
<v Speaker 2>of the first members of Bastani's gang to get picked

0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:12.800
<v Speaker 2>up was William Smith, Frank's younger brother, a boxer and

0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:18.120
<v Speaker 2>part time bartender. At William's house, police found several suitcases

0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:21.960
<v Speaker 2>full of loaded guns and ammunition, a suitcase full of

0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:26.840
<v Speaker 2>burglary tools, a sawt off shotgun, a machine gun, disguises

0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:33.399
<v Speaker 2>including a clerical caller, investments and fake police uniforms, explosives,

0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:37.560
<v Speaker 2>and a box full of stolen license plates. When they

0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:40.439
<v Speaker 2>searched the bar where he worked nights, they found a

0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:44.800
<v Speaker 2>cash of dynamite. Shortly after the raid at William's apartment,

0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:47.600
<v Speaker 2>the FBI announced they were looking for his brother too.

0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:50.639
<v Speaker 2>Frank was one of the last of the group to

0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:54.040
<v Speaker 2>be arrested, and both brothers were charged in connection with

0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:59.359
<v Speaker 2>a bank robbery in Medford Massachusetts. Despite Harvey Bestani turning

0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:04.000
<v Speaker 2>state's witness and testifying against them, both Smith brothers were

0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:09.000
<v Speaker 2>acquitted at trial for that Medford bank robbery. Unfortunately, for Frank,

0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:13.560
<v Speaker 2>the acquittal in February of nineteen fifty three wasn't the

0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:18.320
<v Speaker 2>end of his troubles, because after that first arrest, things

0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:22.879
<v Speaker 2>kind of snowballed. In January of nineteen fifty three, just

0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:25.639
<v Speaker 2>weeks before his bank robbery trial was set to begin,

0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:31.440
<v Speaker 2>Frank Smith was indicted on new charges. New York City

0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:35.160
<v Speaker 2>attorney Saul Rosenblatt identified Frank Smith as the man who'd

0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:37.840
<v Speaker 2>fired three shots at him on Park Avenue in March

0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:41.040
<v Speaker 2>of nineteen fifty two, hitting him once in the thigh.

0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:44.320
<v Speaker 2>When he went to trial in New York for the shooting,

0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:48.480
<v Speaker 2>Frank Smith admitted that sure he was in New York

0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:51.280
<v Speaker 2>City on the day that Rosenblatt was shot, but it

0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:55.240
<v Speaker 2>was for business. A longtime friend of Frank's testified that

0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:59.719
<v Speaker 2>Frank and his co defendant, a mafia associate named Sammy Lindon,

0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:03.760
<v Speaker 2>had showed up at his hotel room that night, bragged

0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:07.320
<v Speaker 2>about shooting Rosenblat, and paid him to steal a car

0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:11.520
<v Speaker 2>that they could use to leave the city. On the stand,

0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:15.440
<v Speaker 2>the victim positively identified Frank as the man he saw

0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:21.080
<v Speaker 2>shoot him in broad daylight, but the jury acquitted him.

0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:26.200
<v Speaker 2>It's possible the jury was just confused about the lack

0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:30.560
<v Speaker 2>of a clear motive presented at trial. Immediately after the shooting,

0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:35.159
<v Speaker 2>newspapers in New York ran wild with speculation that the

0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:39.200
<v Speaker 2>attempted murder was connected to Rosenblat's involvement in a particular

0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:44.480
<v Speaker 2>high profile case. He'd recently been named the sole beneficiary

0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:48.720
<v Speaker 2>in one of his clients' wills, and the dead woman's

0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:53.560
<v Speaker 2>sister was contesting the will in court. It didn't help

0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:57.640
<v Speaker 2>that the dead woman in question was Eleanor Morgan Satterly,

0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:03.320
<v Speaker 2>the granddaughter of J. P. Morgan. Yes, that JP Morgan,

0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:06.520
<v Speaker 2>the one whose name is on your bank. But as

0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:11.160
<v Speaker 2>the investigation into the shooting continued, police were less convinced

0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:14.959
<v Speaker 2>that Satterly's will had been the cause, and at trial,

0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:20.160
<v Speaker 2>the judge reminded the jury that proving motive isn't necessary

0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:23.800
<v Speaker 2>for a conviction. I think any criminal lawyer will tell

0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:28.879
<v Speaker 2>you though, juries are troubled by a crime without a motive.

0:20:29.800 --> 0:20:34.480
<v Speaker 2>But it's also very possible that those twelve New York

0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:38.240
<v Speaker 2>City jurors knew well enough not to be seen in

0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:42.480
<v Speaker 2>open court poking their nose into the business of organized crime.

0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:47.800
<v Speaker 2>No one was ever convicted for shooting Saul Rosenblock, and

0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:51.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure everyone involved is dead now, so I

0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:57.000
<v Speaker 2>think it's safe to offer you my theory. Frank Smith

0:20:57.000 --> 0:21:01.640
<v Speaker 2>and Sammy Lindon did shoot Saul Rosenblock, but it had

0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:05.679
<v Speaker 2>nothing to do with J. P. Morgan's granddaughter. Saul Rosenblatt

0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:09.960
<v Speaker 2>had other clients he was involved in other ongoing litigation,

0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:14.640
<v Speaker 2>and there was one client he dropped as soon as

0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:17.760
<v Speaker 2>he got out of the hospital after the shooting. He

0:21:17.840 --> 0:21:22.040
<v Speaker 2>withdrew as counsel of record in a paternity suit. He'd

0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:25.920
<v Speaker 2>been representing a nightclub singer named Virginia Summers in her

0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:30.520
<v Speaker 2>lawsuit against a Boston lawyer named Joseph Sachs, and at

0:21:30.520 --> 0:21:33.920
<v Speaker 2>his trial, Frank Smith was asked about a recent flight

0:21:34.000 --> 0:21:39.040
<v Speaker 2>he'd taken to London. A month before the shooting. He

0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:42.840
<v Speaker 2>flew to England, but he insisted that this had to

0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:47.280
<v Speaker 2>do with his boxing promotion and nothing to do with

0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:56.000
<v Speaker 2>following Virginia Summers, who had also recently flown to London. Now,

0:21:56.040 --> 0:22:03.199
<v Speaker 2>I can't find any source that concrete, openly and plainly

0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:08.679
<v Speaker 2>accuses Joseph Sachs of working for the mob, But you

0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:12.439
<v Speaker 2>can make up your own mind what you think. Sax

0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:16.040
<v Speaker 2>had previously represented Frank's co defendant, Sammy Lindon, in an

0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:21.119
<v Speaker 2>armed robbery case that was definitely mob related, and Sax

0:22:21.160 --> 0:22:24.400
<v Speaker 2>would later represent Frank in a case involving a bombing

0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:31.800
<v Speaker 2>that was definitely mob related. Joseph Sachs himself was later

0:22:31.920 --> 0:22:37.520
<v Speaker 2>accused of some pretty serious mob related crime. He was

0:22:38.200 --> 0:22:42.520
<v Speaker 2>to be fair acquitted at trial, but in nineteen sixty

0:22:42.560 --> 0:22:45.439
<v Speaker 2>two he was one of several men indicted on charges

0:22:45.480 --> 0:22:50.520
<v Speaker 2>of trafficking thousands of pounds of heroine. The bust was

0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:54.520
<v Speaker 2>part of the investigation into the French Connection, a global

0:22:54.560 --> 0:22:58.200
<v Speaker 2>network run by the Corsican mafia that moved heroin through

0:22:58.280 --> 0:23:01.640
<v Speaker 2>France and into the United States, where it was then

0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:06.520
<v Speaker 2>distributed by organized crime outfits in major cities. Sacks was

0:23:06.640 --> 0:23:09.320
<v Speaker 2>arrested in connection with an operation that had been taking

0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:15.640
<v Speaker 2>advantage of the diplomatic immunity afforded to ambassadors. The Guatemalan

0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:19.600
<v Speaker 2>ambassador to Belgium, a man named Mauricio Rosal, had been

0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:23.480
<v Speaker 2>acting as their courier bringing fifty kilos of heroin at

0:23:23.480 --> 0:23:28.040
<v Speaker 2>a time into New York City in his suitcase and

0:23:28.119 --> 0:23:32.359
<v Speaker 2>what I think is a pretty rare move. Mauricio Rosal

0:23:32.520 --> 0:23:37.760
<v Speaker 2>was denied diplomatic immunity and he went to prison. But

0:23:37.920 --> 0:23:44.440
<v Speaker 2>like I said, Joseph Sachs was acquitted. There's a lot

0:23:44.440 --> 0:23:48.840
<v Speaker 2>of allegedly, a lot of maybe a lot of fill

0:23:48.880 --> 0:23:53.520
<v Speaker 2>in the blank with your own most reasonable assumptions. The

0:23:53.600 --> 0:23:57.879
<v Speaker 2>jury said Frank Smith didn't shoot Saul Rosenblat. A jury

0:23:57.880 --> 0:24:01.600
<v Speaker 2>said Joseph Sachs wasn't in involved in a decade long

0:24:01.680 --> 0:24:05.080
<v Speaker 2>scheme to move thousands of pounds of heroin between the

0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:08.240
<v Speaker 2>Corsic and Mafia and the mafia in New York and Boston.

0:24:09.359 --> 0:24:13.359
<v Speaker 2>And I guess, legally speaking, these are all just a

0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:16.960
<v Speaker 2>series of unrelated facts about cases that never got solved.

0:24:18.280 --> 0:24:22.560
<v Speaker 2>And maybe Saul Rosenblat dropped Virginia Summer's case because he

0:24:22.640 --> 0:24:26.159
<v Speaker 2>wasn't feeling well after the gunshot wound, not because he

0:24:26.200 --> 0:24:30.560
<v Speaker 2>thought Joseph Sachs had him shot. As far as I

0:24:30.600 --> 0:24:34.399
<v Speaker 2>can tell, the prosecutor didn't argue at trial that it

0:24:34.480 --> 0:24:37.879
<v Speaker 2>was a paid hit. But it is worth noting that

0:24:37.960 --> 0:24:42.280
<v Speaker 2>at Frank's bail hearing, the prosecutor told the judge that

0:24:42.320 --> 0:24:47.919
<v Speaker 2>Frank had been hired by people in Massachusetts to kill Rosenblatt.

0:24:48.840 --> 0:24:53.120
<v Speaker 2>He called him a plain and simple killer for hire.

0:24:54.600 --> 0:24:57.359
<v Speaker 2>When the jury returned a not guilty verdict for Frank

0:24:57.400 --> 0:25:02.199
<v Speaker 2>in the Rosenblack case, the judge was visibly angry. Newspapers

0:25:02.240 --> 0:25:06.680
<v Speaker 2>quote him scolding the jury, saying, it is my opinion

0:25:06.680 --> 0:25:10.080
<v Speaker 2>that you have been fooled. It is strange to me

0:25:10.160 --> 0:25:14.080
<v Speaker 2>how grown men can be so naive. Again, you never

0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:17.320
<v Speaker 2>know why a jury makes the decisions they make. But

0:25:18.119 --> 0:25:22.240
<v Speaker 2>I don't think they were fools or naive. I don't

0:25:22.240 --> 0:25:26.479
<v Speaker 2>think they were tricked into thinking Frank was innocent. I

0:25:26.480 --> 0:25:29.080
<v Speaker 2>think they knew exactly what they were looking at, and

0:25:29.160 --> 0:25:32.760
<v Speaker 2>they didn't want to be involved in mafia business. The

0:25:32.800 --> 0:25:37.640
<v Speaker 2>newspaper that quoted the judge's angry outburst doesn't say whether

0:25:37.680 --> 0:25:40.560
<v Speaker 2>the judge looked amused when Frank Smith was arrested as

0:25:40.560 --> 0:25:43.639
<v Speaker 2>he tried to leave the courtroom. He'd been acquitted in

0:25:43.680 --> 0:25:48.199
<v Speaker 2>New York, but he was wanted in New Jersey for

0:25:48.320 --> 0:25:52.959
<v Speaker 2>robbing a bank in Newark with a machine gun. So

0:25:53.040 --> 0:25:55.159
<v Speaker 2>New York City held him in their jail for a

0:25:55.200 --> 0:25:59.320
<v Speaker 2>few weeks pending extradition, which is pretty normal, and he

0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:03.400
<v Speaker 2>fought the extradition, which is a little less normal. I mean,

0:26:03.960 --> 0:26:06.680
<v Speaker 2>you have a right to try. It's just not typical.

0:26:07.720 --> 0:26:10.840
<v Speaker 2>But it worked. He's in this jail in New York

0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:15.440
<v Speaker 2>City for a couple of weeks, no news, and then

0:26:15.520 --> 0:26:19.680
<v Speaker 2>suddenly there's just a passing mention in the Newark Star

0:26:19.760 --> 0:26:24.080
<v Speaker 2>Ledger two days before Christmas that the prosecutor changed his mind.

0:26:24.400 --> 0:26:27.119
<v Speaker 2>The charges have been dropped and there are no other suspects,

0:26:29.520 --> 0:26:33.119
<v Speaker 2>so to put all of this in order. On March sixth,

0:26:33.240 --> 0:26:37.840
<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifty two, someone who looked just like Frank Smith

0:26:38.640 --> 0:26:42.600
<v Speaker 2>shot Saul Rosenblatt on Park Avenue. Two days after that,

0:26:43.560 --> 0:26:48.040
<v Speaker 2>someone unknown shot Arnold Schuster in the head outside of

0:26:48.040 --> 0:26:51.680
<v Speaker 2>his apartment in New York City. Two days after that,

0:26:52.160 --> 0:26:54.600
<v Speaker 2>a couple of guys who might have been the Smith

0:26:54.680 --> 0:26:59.840
<v Speaker 2>brothers robbed a bank in Medford, Massachusetts. In April, someone

0:26:59.800 --> 0:27:02.920
<v Speaker 2>who looked just like Frank Smith robbed a bank in

0:27:03.000 --> 0:27:07.600
<v Speaker 2>Newark in May. Smith and a dozen associates of known

0:27:07.640 --> 0:27:12.119
<v Speaker 2>bank robber Harvey Bistani were all arrested in January of

0:27:12.160 --> 0:27:15.720
<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifty three, Frank is charged for shooting Saul Rosenblatt.

0:27:16.280 --> 0:27:19.520
<v Speaker 2>In February, he's acquitted on that first bank robbery. In November,

0:27:19.560 --> 0:27:21.760
<v Speaker 2>he's acquitted on the shooting, but he's arrested for the

0:27:21.760 --> 0:27:25.399
<v Speaker 2>New Jersey bank robbery, and by December of nineteen fifty

0:27:25.400 --> 0:27:29.679
<v Speaker 2>three he's free and clear. He was accused of robbing

0:27:29.720 --> 0:27:32.439
<v Speaker 2>banks in two different states and trying to murder a

0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:35.960
<v Speaker 2>man in a third, crimes that all took place within

0:27:36.440 --> 0:27:39.800
<v Speaker 2>mere weeks in the spring of nineteen fifty two, but

0:27:39.880 --> 0:27:44.159
<v Speaker 2>he celebrated the new year as a freeman in nineteen

0:27:44.240 --> 0:27:47.679
<v Speaker 2>fifty four. I can't pick him back up again in

0:27:47.720 --> 0:27:52.520
<v Speaker 2>the archives until May of fifty seven, when he's arrested again.

0:27:53.400 --> 0:27:56.320
<v Speaker 2>But when he was arrested in nineteen fifty seven for

0:27:56.400 --> 0:28:00.640
<v Speaker 2>bombing a home in Wooburn, Massachusetts, police in the neighboring

0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:06.080
<v Speaker 2>towns expressed their interest in questioning him about similar unsolved

0:28:06.119 --> 0:28:23.879
<v Speaker 2>bombings over the last few years. Now, no one was

0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:27.760
<v Speaker 2>ever convicted in the first three bombings police suspected Frank

0:28:27.800 --> 0:28:31.040
<v Speaker 2>Smith was involved in. In June of nineteen fifty four,

0:28:31.920 --> 0:28:35.920
<v Speaker 2>four bombs exploded inside the Chelsea, Massachusetts home of boxing

0:28:35.960 --> 0:28:40.280
<v Speaker 2>promoter Sam Silverman. If you know a lot about old

0:28:40.320 --> 0:28:44.600
<v Speaker 2>school boxing promoters, you've heard of Sam Silverman. And if

0:28:44.600 --> 0:28:47.280
<v Speaker 2>you don't know anything about old school boxing promoters, you

0:28:47.320 --> 0:28:51.160
<v Speaker 2>don't care who Sam Silverman is. But he had recently

0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:54.160
<v Speaker 2>cut ties with the International Boxing Club of New York,

0:28:55.000 --> 0:29:00.320
<v Speaker 2>that corporation whose monopoly on boxing was almost entirely under

0:29:00.360 --> 0:29:05.360
<v Speaker 2>the control of former murder inc hitman Frankie Carbo. A

0:29:05.400 --> 0:29:08.840
<v Speaker 2>few months before the bombing, Ray Arcell, a promoter Silverman

0:29:08.920 --> 0:29:12.479
<v Speaker 2>worked with to televise the fights he promoted, was beaten

0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:17.520
<v Speaker 2>almost to death with a lead pipe. Arcell survived and

0:29:17.960 --> 0:29:20.640
<v Speaker 2>Silverman and his wife weren't home when those bombs went off,

0:29:21.560 --> 0:29:24.160
<v Speaker 2>but both men took these attacks as a clear message

0:29:24.200 --> 0:29:29.440
<v Speaker 2>from the mafia stop promoting fights. In May of nineteen

0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:33.040
<v Speaker 2>fifty five, Vincent Denuno, a regional director of the Building

0:29:33.120 --> 0:29:36.920
<v Speaker 2>in Common Laborers Union with the AFL, was finalizing a

0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:42.680
<v Speaker 2>report on organized crime activity within his union when suddenly

0:29:42.720 --> 0:29:45.600
<v Speaker 2>his car exploded inside of his garage in East Boston.

0:29:46.440 --> 0:29:48.880
<v Speaker 2>Police believed it was the work of a professional killer

0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:51.680
<v Speaker 2>trying to take out the labour leader, but it was

0:29:51.720 --> 0:29:53.720
<v Speaker 2>his twenty four year old son in law who was

0:29:53.760 --> 0:29:57.760
<v Speaker 2>gravely injured instead. Then, in June of nineteen fifty six,

0:29:58.040 --> 0:30:03.120
<v Speaker 2>John Sullivan, a booking agent in Medford, Massachusetts, narrowly escaped

0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:05.360
<v Speaker 2>being blown to bits when he walked out his front

0:30:05.400 --> 0:30:08.680
<v Speaker 2>door because he smelled smoke and he found a bomb

0:30:08.680 --> 0:30:12.160
<v Speaker 2>on his front porch that hadn't gone off yet. None

0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:15.280
<v Speaker 2>of these bombings were ever solved, least as far as

0:30:15.280 --> 0:30:18.680
<v Speaker 2>I can tell, But Frank Smith was a very strong

0:30:18.800 --> 0:30:22.160
<v Speaker 2>suspect in all three after his arrest in May of

0:30:22.240 --> 0:30:26.600
<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifty seven. But this fourth bombing was pretty open

0:30:26.640 --> 0:30:31.320
<v Speaker 2>and shut. They thought maybe he did those other three,

0:30:31.400 --> 0:30:35.880
<v Speaker 2>but they saw him do this one. It was a

0:30:35.880 --> 0:30:39.240
<v Speaker 2>little after midnight when two cops who were just sitting

0:30:39.240 --> 0:30:42.920
<v Speaker 2>in their patrol car saw a man sprinting down the

0:30:42.920 --> 0:30:46.440
<v Speaker 2>street in the dark. At first, they assumed the man

0:30:46.560 --> 0:30:50.000
<v Speaker 2>leaving Everett Bixby's yard was a burglar and they were

0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:53.400
<v Speaker 2>going to chase him, But just as the man disappeared

0:30:53.400 --> 0:30:57.640
<v Speaker 2>into a nearby wooded area, the bomb went off. A

0:30:57.680 --> 0:31:00.160
<v Speaker 2>description of the man they'd seen went out over the radio,

0:31:00.800 --> 0:31:03.480
<v Speaker 2>and officers spotted him less than a mile away at

0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:08.719
<v Speaker 2>a phone booth. He was filthy and soaking wet, as

0:31:08.800 --> 0:31:12.360
<v Speaker 2>if he'd perhaps run in the dark through the thick

0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:16.360
<v Speaker 2>underbrush of the wooded area the bomber disappeared into. He

0:31:16.440 --> 0:31:20.680
<v Speaker 2>also had explosive residue embedded in burnmarks on his shoes.

0:31:21.840 --> 0:31:24.240
<v Speaker 2>Police found him in a phone booth less than a

0:31:24.280 --> 0:31:27.480
<v Speaker 2>mile away from the Bixby's house, and they found his

0:31:27.720 --> 0:31:31.800
<v Speaker 2>car a mile in the other direction, parked outside of

0:31:31.800 --> 0:31:35.080
<v Speaker 2>a friend's house. That friend happened to be a man

0:31:35.160 --> 0:31:38.600
<v Speaker 2>named Louis Venios, a mafia associate who was due in

0:31:38.640 --> 0:31:42.080
<v Speaker 2>court the following morning to face a federal mail fraud charge.

0:31:43.120 --> 0:31:48.200
<v Speaker 2>Frank's story just kept changing, and honestly, none of the

0:31:48.240 --> 0:31:51.440
<v Speaker 2>stories were very good. On the night of his arrest,

0:31:51.960 --> 0:31:54.840
<v Speaker 2>he explained to the police that he's a prize fight

0:31:54.880 --> 0:31:58.200
<v Speaker 2>trainer and he's just out doing some roadwork, which is

0:31:58.640 --> 0:32:03.880
<v Speaker 2>apparently what boxers call r at three am in a

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<v Speaker 2>town where he doesn't live, and they found him at

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<v Speaker 2>the phone booth because while he was out running, he

0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:12.600
<v Speaker 2>had this sudden thought that he needed to make a

0:32:12.600 --> 0:32:16.920
<v Speaker 2>phone call to a friend again at three am. By

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<v Speaker 2>the time he got to trial, he'd come up with

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<v Speaker 2>what I guess he thought was a better story. He

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<v Speaker 2>said that he couldn't have bombed the Bixby's house at

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<v Speaker 2>twelve forty five am because he was at a bar

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<v Speaker 2>with his friend Louis Venios from midnight and till around

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<v Speaker 2>one am, and then after the bar they stopped back

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<v Speaker 2>off at his apartment because he needed to wring out

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<v Speaker 2>some wet laundry and that's why he was all wet.

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<v Speaker 2>And then after he got all wet at his apartment,

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't change his clothes. He got into his car

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<v Speaker 2>and drove Louis Venios home to Wuburn, and then he

0:32:58.040 --> 0:33:00.959
<v Speaker 2>left his car at Venios's house because he needed to

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<v Speaker 2>borrow it, and when police found him in the phone booth,

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<v Speaker 2>he was just calling his wife to come pick him

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<v Speaker 2>up again at three am. I don't think he could

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<v Speaker 2>make up a worse series of lies if he tried, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Because if he and Venios were at his apartment and

0:33:20.920 --> 0:33:25.520
<v Speaker 2>Venios needed to both go home to Woburn and borrow

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<v Speaker 2>Frank's car, why wouldn't Venios just drive himself home in

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<v Speaker 2>Frank's car and Frank would just stay at his apartment.

0:33:35.240 --> 0:33:37.440
<v Speaker 2>And if he had to be the one to drive,

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<v Speaker 2>but his wife was able to come pick him up,

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<v Speaker 2>why didn't she just follow him? Why didn't he tell

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<v Speaker 2>her before he left the apartment. If he hadn't to

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<v Speaker 2>call his wife, why didn't he call from Benios's house?

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't he have a phone? Why would you walk a

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<v Speaker 2>mile in the dark at three am to call your

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<v Speaker 2>wife from a payphone. I just don't understand why he

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<v Speaker 2>thought we would believe that he needed to walk a

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<v Speaker 2>mile in the dark at three am to call his

0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:07.640
<v Speaker 2>wife to come pick him up from the fakes sounding

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<v Speaker 2>errand anyone has ever made up And at trial they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't even put Louis Venios on the stand to corroborate

0:34:15.120 --> 0:34:19.279
<v Speaker 2>the alibi. I just can't get over. Oh, I had

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<v Speaker 2>to go home and wring out my wet laundry in

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<v Speaker 2>between drinking at the bar and driving my friend home

0:34:25.600 --> 0:34:28.799
<v Speaker 2>and then walking around in the dark, And that's why

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<v Speaker 2>my shoes are all wet. I mean, got at that

0:34:31.760 --> 0:34:33.920
<v Speaker 2>point just say you pissed on your own shoes. At

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<v Speaker 2>least people might believe it. Reading between the lines and

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<v Speaker 2>the appellate record in this case, it sounds like everyone

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<v Speaker 2>in the courtroom knew that the Boston Police officer the

0:34:46.120 --> 0:34:51.760
<v Speaker 2>defense put on the stand was lying. Joseph Sachs. Remember

0:34:52.000 --> 0:34:55.000
<v Speaker 2>he's the lawyer who, according to the jury who acquitted him,

0:34:55.600 --> 0:34:59.720
<v Speaker 2>was not at this time, seven years into a decade

0:34:59.760 --> 0:35:04.439
<v Speaker 2>law international heroin smuggling operation for the mafia. Sachs put

0:35:04.520 --> 0:35:08.160
<v Speaker 2>Boston patrolman John O'Neil on the stand to testify that

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<v Speaker 2>he knew Frank Smith and Louis Venios and he remembered

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<v Speaker 2>seeing them at the bar at the time of the bombing.

0:35:15.280 --> 0:35:18.960
<v Speaker 2>The jury found Frank Smith guilty of the bombing, and

0:35:19.000 --> 0:35:22.480
<v Speaker 2>he was given a sentence of fifteen to eighteen years

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<v Speaker 2>in prison. Based on the admittedly limited information that we have,

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<v Speaker 2>it seems very possible that Everett Bixby wasn't the intended

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<v Speaker 2>target of this bombing. He was a funeral director with

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<v Speaker 2>no known ties to organized crime. He was the chairman

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<v Speaker 2>of the Woburn Licensing Board, so I guess it's possible

0:35:49.080 --> 0:35:51.759
<v Speaker 2>that there was a dispute over a liquor license. But

0:35:52.960 --> 0:35:56.560
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen fifty seven, the city of Wooburn only issued

0:35:56.600 --> 0:36:01.560
<v Speaker 2>liquor licenses to stores that sell liquor. In Massachusetts, they

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<v Speaker 2>call them package stores, and a local newspaper that year

0:36:05.960 --> 0:36:09.440
<v Speaker 2>said that the city of Wooburn had plenty of package stores,

0:36:10.520 --> 0:36:14.560
<v Speaker 2>but they didn't actually have any bars, and Bixby told

0:36:14.560 --> 0:36:17.200
<v Speaker 2>the newspaper that no one had even applied for a

0:36:17.239 --> 0:36:21.040
<v Speaker 2>liquor license lately. There was nothing for there to be

0:36:21.200 --> 0:36:24.560
<v Speaker 2>a dispute over it. Kind of looks like Frank got

0:36:24.600 --> 0:36:28.160
<v Speaker 2>the wrong house. I saw a few news stories that

0:36:28.280 --> 0:36:32.720
<v Speaker 2>made vague mention of the fact that the Bixby's lived

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<v Speaker 2>pretty close by to several known gangland figures. That's all

0:36:38.719 --> 0:36:42.520
<v Speaker 2>it ever, really says, just several known figures in this world,

0:36:43.160 --> 0:36:48.840
<v Speaker 2>they're never named. Look is it possible to cross reference

0:36:48.920 --> 0:36:52.600
<v Speaker 2>seventy year old property records with the names of known

0:36:52.719 --> 0:36:57.719
<v Speaker 2>mafia associates in the Boston suburbs. Look? I thought about it,

0:36:58.680 --> 0:37:01.400
<v Speaker 2>and I think I probably could do it if I

0:37:01.400 --> 0:37:02.720
<v Speaker 2>had an extra day this week?

0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:05.560
<v Speaker 3>Did I? No?

0:37:06.239 --> 0:37:09.840
<v Speaker 2>I had to file my taxes this week. It's October,

0:37:10.239 --> 0:37:12.960
<v Speaker 2>I know, but I was getting married in the spring,

0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:15.120
<v Speaker 2>so I was like kind of busy. So I got

0:37:15.160 --> 0:37:19.040
<v Speaker 2>an extension. So they're like, actually do now. So that's

0:37:19.040 --> 0:37:22.000
<v Speaker 2>what I did this week instead of finding out which

0:37:22.120 --> 0:37:25.239
<v Speaker 2>patriarch of crime family associates might have been ever at

0:37:25.239 --> 0:37:29.040
<v Speaker 2>Bixby's neighbor in wober, Massachusetts. In nineteen fifty seven. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, but I think the fact that Frank Smith

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<v Speaker 2>had parked his car at Louis Venios's house and Venios

0:37:39.000 --> 0:37:43.200
<v Speaker 2>was due in federal court the very next morning, I

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<v Speaker 2>think that does imply the possibility of a relationship between

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<v Speaker 2>these things, you know. And finally, at the end of

0:37:54.680 --> 0:38:00.480
<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifty seven, Frank Smith went to prison on some

0:38:00.560 --> 0:38:03.680
<v Speaker 2>time in jail after his prior arrests when he couldn't

0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:08.520
<v Speaker 2>make bail. But this was the real thing. He's guilty

0:38:08.520 --> 0:38:11.360
<v Speaker 2>of a felony now, and he's staring down the barrel

0:38:12.160 --> 0:38:16.560
<v Speaker 2>of fifteen years. He didn't end up serving his whole sentence.

0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:22.160
<v Speaker 2>He was released in November of nineteen sixty four. And

0:38:22.200 --> 0:38:25.080
<v Speaker 2>while he was in prison, he got his hands on

0:38:25.120 --> 0:38:31.480
<v Speaker 2>some interesting reading material. Someone had been sending him copies

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<v Speaker 2>of the Rockwell Report.

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<v Speaker 3>The first week in January of nineteen sixty five, I

0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:45.799
<v Speaker 3>went to Rolington, Virginia, Tom Command of Rockwell. I'd heard

0:38:45.800 --> 0:38:47.680
<v Speaker 3>about him, I'd read some of the things about him,

0:38:47.680 --> 0:38:51.560
<v Speaker 3>and I'd read some of his rock Werry reports, and

0:38:51.600 --> 0:38:55.200
<v Speaker 3>we were akin in our thanking.

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<v Speaker 2>Just weeks after he got out of prison, Frank Smith

0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:02.440
<v Speaker 2>drove from Massa chooseys to Virginia to meet the man

0:39:02.480 --> 0:39:06.000
<v Speaker 2>whose newsletter he'd been reading in prison. He spent the

0:39:06.080 --> 0:39:09.520
<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifties robbing banks and bombing houses for the Mob.

0:39:10.440 --> 0:39:13.160
<v Speaker 2>He must have spent those seven years behind bars planning

0:39:13.160 --> 0:39:16.719
<v Speaker 2>his next big move, because he really didn't hesitate to

0:39:16.760 --> 0:39:20.879
<v Speaker 2>start taking big swings when he got out. Immediately upon

0:39:20.920 --> 0:39:25.680
<v Speaker 2>his return from the Nazi Party headquarters, Frank Smith had

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<v Speaker 2>a face to face meeting with Raymond Patriarca, the head

0:39:30.000 --> 0:39:34.040
<v Speaker 2>of the New England Mafia. Frank wanted to cut Patriarca

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<v Speaker 2>in on a deal, a mutually beneficial arrangement between the

0:39:39.200 --> 0:39:45.080
<v Speaker 2>mafia and the Nazis. You'll have to wait until next

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<v Speaker 2>week to find out how Frank ended up full of

0:39:47.080 --> 0:39:49.960
<v Speaker 2>bullet holes in the midst of a gang war, and

0:39:50.040 --> 0:39:52.479
<v Speaker 2>why Frank's name is on the birth certificate for George

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<v Speaker 2>Lincoln Rockwell's i legitimate daughter. And maybe by next week

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<v Speaker 2>Kull have made some more progress trying to sort out

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what to make of the fact that a Nazi

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<v Speaker 2>in his fake church show up in the financial record.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a corrupt mayor who went to prison for racketeering.

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