WEBVTT - Ep. 120: BEAR GREASE [RENDER] - Nashville Music and Crockett Quiz 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:17.239 My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production of 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:21.400 the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, where 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:25.760 we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:30.600 of the actual bear Grease podcast. Presented by f h 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:35.360 F Gear, American Maid, purpose built hunting and fishing gear 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:38.559 that's designed to be as rugged as the place as 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:43.519 we explore. 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:46.440 On my shoulder, it's a flint lock. 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:50.800 Well, I would say that we have our first guests 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:55.280 on the Bear Grease Render or podcast that is wearing buckskins. 0:00:55.840 --> 0:01:00.640 Yeah, this has been very, very stylish, So we have 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:02.840 a very special guest with us today. 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:05.520 We have we have most of the regular crew here. 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:08.080 We have Misty new Comb. Let me introduce and I'll 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:10.440 introduce our guests. We have Misty new Coom here, we 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:16.000 have Josh Lambridge, everyone, Brent Breeves of this country life podcast. Yo, 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:19.280 who Misty. I've learned that Josh and Brent have a 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:22.640 secret friendship outside of the render going on. They've been 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:23.840 fishing together all day and. 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:25.080 Came and stayed with me last night. 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:29.200 We went and they didn't and you weren't even invited. 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:31.000 Even bigger deal, I wasn't. 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:37.520 You tell all your little secret and even made made 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:38.360 banana bread for us. 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:42.559 It was so, when's the last time me and Misty 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:44.240 banana bread in a while. 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:46.480 Actually, it takes pretty good care of me. 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:48.840 She's a good one. 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:53.040 So so we have we have the regular crew. And 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:56.880 I want to say to Gary Believer new Coomb has been. 0:01:57.000 --> 0:01:58.040 God rest, he. 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:01.520 Is alive and well. 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:07.480 He is fine. Dad had he had both his knees replaced. 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:10.120 That's why I hadn't been You didn't know that, No, 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:12.760 we used to be friends before you start hanging out 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:13.280 with Brenton. 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:14.520 I knew it. 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:19.040 Yeah, Dad had both his knees replaced in early May, 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:22.120 and so he's been out, but he's going to come 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:23.760 back bigger than ever. 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:24.880 Yeah. 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:27.880 So that's where Dad has been. But our special guest 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:33.480 is Andrew Willis from Tennessee, Vegas. 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:37.119 Excuse me, but can Brent please give a proper intro 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:37.840 to Andrew. 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:49.640 And Andrew's wearing a very I would say, comfortable, yet 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:54.680 sturdy pair of lace up leather boots, some dungarees, the 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:55.920 folks might say. 0:02:56.680 --> 0:03:02.880 And a very festive and fast the buckskin shirt with 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:09.160 tassels and fringe. Yeah, yeah, what you call them? French 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:11.240 like that? 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:18.760 Very nice overtopping, which is just his normal attire every day. 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:21.959 That's not untrue, as my wife. 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:25.919 Yeah, so uh so Andrew and I we've probably known 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:29.040 each other for maybe a year or so. And Andrew 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:35.960 is the guy that recorded and helped helped me write 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:42.120 parts of the Ballad of Warner Glenn. Yeah, so you 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:49.720 can just that's true. So the story was is that 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:53.200 I think Andrew, you had sent an email out to 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:59.280 me about your brand and band called Hawking Horse and 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:02.560 you were coming out an albums. What was the album's name? 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:06.080 He was self titled Hawk and Horse was the name 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:09.560 of the album. And it's a project that I took 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:14.360 on to really kind of capture the front tier spirit 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:17.480 and and I had a couple of people say you 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:21.200 need to send that to Clay Nukelem. So I started 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:26.120 digging and I was like, whoa, what's a Clay Nukem. Yeah, 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:30.000 well I heard I heard the Daniel Boone series when 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:33.000 I was driving the Wisconsin during deer season, and I 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:36.120 was like, what this guy gets it. So that's what 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:40.080 I was inspired to send, you know, my album over. 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:46.960 Well, and so the album is it's about the American West. Yeah, 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:50.080 you have a song Jeremiah Johnson. You have, what are 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:51.159 some of the other songs about. 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:57.479 They're about fur trappers, they're about mountain men. Very inspired 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:02.279 by the movie Jeremiah Johnson. Yeah, inspired by you know, 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:05.799 the Last of the Mohicans, but also like books and 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:11.680 and a famous frontiersman like Daniel Boone, Davy Crockett. I 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:14.800 just put out another album called Long Hunter, and it's 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:20.440 all inspired by the Kentucky Tennessee Frontier of the late 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:25.200 seventeen hundreds and frontiersman like Daniel Boone and Simon Kenton 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:29.600 and uh, a lot of those characters. 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:32.000 And you know, amazing stories from that era. 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:35.800 So but in Nashville, Yeah, the reason you live in 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:37.800 Nashville is because you're a songwriters. 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:40.200 Yeah, that's right, that's right. 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:44.280 Tell us about that. Yeah, so I had wait, let 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:46.919 me say, hold on, there could be a few things 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:49.320 that you could have been that would be more interesting 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:49.599 to me. 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:50.640 Oh. 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:54.240 Number one, commercial fisherman on the Mississippi River. 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:59.720 Especially like that infatuated with it, right, that would be. 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:02.000 Slight any more interesting interesting. 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:08.120 Number two, okay, just commercial fisherman, that would be the 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:12.520 only thing. Second on the list would be a Nashville songwriter. Yeah, 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:15.160 so tell me, like, how do you be a n 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:17.279 Ashvial songwriter? And how do you make money? And yeah 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:22.800 and yeah, so I music. How much money do you have? 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:24.920 Yeah? 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:26.080 Not a lot worse. 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:29.000 I just I'm literally on the drive out here, I 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:31.799 realized either my wife or my daughter took the cash 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:37.240 out of my wallet. So not much. But uh, yeah, 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:40.360 I I love music. I always loved music. I grew 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:41.520 up with music. 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:43.440 Guitar. 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:46.000 I picked up a guitar about fifteen and just taught 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:50.080 myself how to play. And my first instinct was to 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:52.960 write a song. I wasn't like listening to the radio 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:55.560 going all right, how do I play one headlight? 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:57.000 I was. 0:06:57.680 --> 0:06:59.000 I was wanting to write a song. 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:01.919 Exactly how old, exactly I've. 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:07.240 Exposed myself, but I wanted to write songs. 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:09.040 And that's immediately what I started to do. 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:15.040 And so it was around that time that my son 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:19.320 was born, who has some special needs, and we were 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:21.160 kind of going through a part of my life where 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:21.920 we're like, what are we. 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:22.280 Going to do? 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:25.119 And I was like, I'm going to have to stay 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:27.920 home with him right now because he's so bad and 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:30.080 he's he can't go to school or anything right now. 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:33.320 So I was like, I guess I'm going to start 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:37.000 doing this songwriting thing, because I was I had been 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:42.000 in the outdoor industry before. I worked within the backpacking industry, 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:43.920 and I was a buyer, so I had a very 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:47.800 practical I was using my business management degree and I 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:50.360 was like doing this. And then suddenly I was like, 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:53.480 I guess I'm going to start writing these songs. And 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:59.040 within six months of me starting this, I want a contest. 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:02.600 And then I got a co write with Andy Griggs, 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:09.440 who was a nineties, late nineties, early two thousands country singer. Yeah, 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:12.000 he had a couple pretty big hits like you Won't 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:16.840 Ever Be Lonely and if Heaven and some other he 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:20.720 was right at late nineties, and uh, anyway, he's a big, 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:26.080 big hunter, big hunter, and uh anyway, I got the 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:29.360 opportunity to write with him, and he was he was 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:32.400 a he's a riot. I mean, he is hilarious. But 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:36.280 I got my first radio single with him, and it 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:39.760 was just a small market thing and it was pretty cool. 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:42.320 He tell us the song do you oh yeah, yeah, 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:45.679 it's it's called kind of like asking a cattle farmer 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:46.800 how many cows he has? 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:47.439 You? 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:49.880 Hear? I got a natural songwriter. Go, yeah, I had 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:52.400 a song on the radio, and you go, what was it? 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:57.640 And then he's like, yeah, yeah, you know you may 0:08:57.679 --> 0:09:00.079 have heard it song we've never. 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:03.840 We're like, oh, okay, okay, yeah, no, this is a 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:04.920 song you've probably never heard of. 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:07.680 But it's called Can't I Get An Amen? 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:12.320 And he he put that out and it was you know, 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:15.040 and I made hundreds of dollars. 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:19.080 It was amazing. 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:25.000 But but I got I got hooked. I got hooked. 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:30.400 And so not long after that, I my wife's job. 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:33.680 She was kind of getting over it, and I was like, 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:38.200 we could go to Nashville, and so we were in 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:43.559 southeast Ohio at the time and backpacking Mecca yeah. 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:49.640 Yeah, right, backpack and turkey poaching Mecca y yeah. 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:53.120 Actually on that that that podcast about the turkey poaching 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:56.800 really hit home because I literally had my AC units 0:09:56.840 --> 0:09:57.640 stolen off. 0:09:57.480 --> 0:09:58.520 The side of my house. 0:09:59.400 --> 0:09:59.959 Are you serious? 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:07.440 Oh yeah, same area, Pat, Yeah, yeah, but uh we 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:10.079 So we moved down and I had already built. 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:12.120 So your your wife had a job where she could 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:17.520 work correct anywhere, and and you were like, hey, we 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:20.280 can move to Nashville. Yeah, You're like, I'm a famous songwriter, 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:25.080 now this sounds like something I would do totally. 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:29.080 I'm just thinking about your wife must just be a person. 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:31.480 She's a lot better than me. 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:36.360 But she was extremely supportive and so we were like, 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:39.120 let's do it. And my my son, I think was 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:43.160 like six and my daughter was two, and we're like, 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:44.880 let's go for it. This is a good time to 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:48.440 do it. So we moved down and I instantly started, 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:53.040 you know, expanding my network and writing with, you know, 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:56.280 notching up on who I was writing with, and learning 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:59.040 a lot because I was, I figured out real quickly 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:03.040 at how green I was, and there was a lot 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:07.079 to learn. And I'm very very blessed. I had some 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:12.280 like incredible mentors who wrote some incredible songs. 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:16.119 And name drop, we want to hear him, Okay. 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:20.599 One of my favorite mentors early on was Craig Bickheart, 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:24.440 who he had some some hits back in the eighties, 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:28.000 like in between Dances for who was that. 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:31.040 Pam Tillis or something. 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:33.880 Okay, and then we're back to mister era. 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:34.440 Yeah. 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:38.599 But then he was part of a band called s 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:41.760 KB it used to be SKO and they had like 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:45.000 There's No Easy Horses and they were on tour with 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:49.000 Alabama back in the late eighties. But he is a 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:52.280 fantastic songwriter and I learned a whole lot from him. 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:58.040 But then Rivers Rutherford, who is a legend. I mean 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:01.959 he he wrote like when I get where I'm going, 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:08.400 he wrote, you know, huge Brooks and Dune songs. I 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:12.320 can't remember everybody else's songs, but I could barely my own. 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:14.200 A real good Man. 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:18.480 Yes, you're done, Yes, Tim girrawl, Real good Man. 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:22.800 So when you're a songwriter, yeah, okay, describe to me. Okay, 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:26.839 so your family's moved to Nashville and you're being mentored 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:30.920 and you're you're actually in that world. Yeah, get getting 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:36.000 paid to write songs. Tell me how the song world works, 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:39.480 because now you're because you're hawking Horse is kind of 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:42.559 like this personal thing that you do. Correct Your songwriting 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:45.040 is much different than that because you're writing stuff not 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:50.280 about frontiersman. You're like working, and I guess the goal 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:53.720 would be to write some number one song that's on 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:56.560 the radio, exactly right, I mean that's the goal of it, 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:57.680 I guess every songwriter. 0:12:57.920 --> 0:12:58.360 Yeah. 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:04.000 In twenty fifteen, I signed with Sony and my calendar 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:07.120 was like booked out three months in advance, so I 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:07.640 knew like. 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:08.360 Where I was going to be. 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:11.920 Every day, you know what publishing company who I was 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:12.560 writing with. 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:16.160 A publishing company would say we need a song, so 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:19.640 we need a songwriter, and you would just be like 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:22.240 a talent they would bring in and they would say, today, 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:25.000 we're going to write a song about horses. 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:29.440 Yeah, you're like okay, I mean really it was on me. 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:32.360 I had we have what's called a hook book, and 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:34.240 he's it's an idea we write down. 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:37.080 Oh I want to write a song, so you have 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:38.040 your own hookbook. 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:39.160 Okay. 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:44.760 I am taking note of all this because I have 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:48.240 three big plans in my life. Number one to become 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:52.120 a commercial fisherman. Number two to be a stand up comedian. 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:57.160 Number three to be a Nashville songwriter. Of all those things, 0:13:57.240 --> 0:14:00.000 I am closest to being a songwriter. 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:03.280 Right absolutely. I mean technically you're in. 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:05.040 Are you going to move to Nashville? 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:11.640 I mean, whatever it takes, I guess. Okay, maybe maybe 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:14.079 now with the internet, you could be a Nashville songwriter 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:15.840 and just stay at home. 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:19.720 Did you notice that Missy said? Are you will? 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:27.880 I kind of like, okay, so so you're you have 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:30.440 a hook book? So correct come you come to the 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:32.960 table with some ideas, But how did they know what 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:34.680 kind of songs you're wanting to write or how do 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:35.600 you know what they want? 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:38.720 Well, it used to be in the eighties and nineties, 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:43.200 three two three songwriters would get together and they would 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:46.200 throw out ideas, throw it out. You know, I've got 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:49.720 this idea about a pickup truck. And then you throw out. 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:52.360 The ideas and and then you go, oh, no, that sucks. 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:53.160 How about this? 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:57.760 And you you know, you might be throwing you might 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:00.480 be thrown out ideas for half a day. In some cases, 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:03.760 it's it depends who you're writing with. Nowadays you're sitting 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:08.000 down with an artist and so maybe they're trying to 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:11.680 put a certain topic on an album they're working on, 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:15.200 where they're I need something up tempo or I need 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:19.520 so there's a little more unknown pressure. It used to 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:22.080 be just going and write the best song that's in 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:25.880 the room that day. Now it's I'm very topical. Yeah, 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:30.560 your target a target exactly. So it's maybe a little 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:32.480 less inspirational to start. 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:34.720 But but Rivers. 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:38.680 Rutherford, he always told me, don't write when you're inspired, 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:43.720 write until you're inspired. Oh, get in there, dig in 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:46.280 and you don't quit until you get it. 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:49.000 So I's gonna be locking himself. 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:52.920 I'm taking notes, taking notes over here. 0:15:53.520 --> 0:16:08.800 Yeah, I mean there's yeah. 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:07.880 To hear the backstory of Feed Jake. You know that dog? 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:11.040 That that song about the dog? Yeah, from the I 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:12.240 think that was early nineties. 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:13.680 It's not really sad. 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:17.680 He's been a good friend right through it all. If 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:19.840 I die before I wake, feed Jake. I think about 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:22.320 it every day whenever I'm out of town, and I'm 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:23.600 wondering if my chickens. 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:26.000 Are going to be alive when I come home. Reverse 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:26.600 Feed Jake. 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:29.800 But anyway, I just am curious how that one came about. 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:31.240 That's all I could think about. 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:35.360 When you would have liked that old Tom T Howst 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:37.640 a song about who's going to feed them hogs? 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:39.800 You never heard that? How it go? 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:40.720 How's it go? 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:41.640 Is? 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:45.200 It's about I'm trying to remember the the the way 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:49.400 it goes, the verse. But he's so this guy is 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:52.160 sick and he's laid up in the in the bed 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:55.320 and in the hospital bed, and all he can talk about. 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:57.200 Tom T says, all he can talk about is who's 0:16:57.200 --> 0:17:00.840 going to feed them? I understand it is great man. 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:06.480 If you could sing, you would probably have like the ultimate. 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:10.240 It's like, yeah, I mean you you know. 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:11.840 Are we assuming that? Brent Canton? 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:12.960 That's what I'm saying. 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:16.199 Brent Cantson, I don't know. 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:17.080 I don't believe. 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:17.520 I think. 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:24.520 So now your beat? You're you're living in Nashville. Do 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:26.280 you have to live in Nashville to be a songwriter? 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:27.879 You kind of do? 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:31.399 Okay, asking for a friend, you kind of do. 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:33.680 I tried for a while not to live there. 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:36.560 Okay, but you can't. You can't avoid it. You gotta 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:37.040 be pressient. 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:41.280 Way collaboration and creativity really flows when you're like I 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:42.280 to die with people. 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:46.440 One of my first champions in that town, Alex Torres, 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:50.840 he uh he told me. I remember calling him up 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:54.359 and I hadn't moved there yet, and I was really like, 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:58.200 should I uproot my family and move down to Nashville? 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:01.760 And I called him and I was like, hey, you know, 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:06.440 should I Should I do this? And he just deadpan, 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:09.439 he was like, if you have to ask the answers, No, 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:14.720 You'll only come here if you've got to come here, 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:17.679 And and that hit me. 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:22.200 I was like, pack the bags. Conviction. 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:25.840 Yeah, so yeah, so. 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:31.640 Is it true. Okay, maybe maybe I heard I don't 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:33.040 know where I heard this, but like when you go 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:37.040 to Nashville and you go to a restaurant and someone 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:41.560 waits on your table and they're like a twenty something person, 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:44.400 there's a pretty good chance that they are in Nashville 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:46.280 trying to make it in the music scene somewhere. 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:48.000 I would say that's very active. 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:51.520 I mean, it's like a it's like a mecca for 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:54.600 people to show up and a lot of people, I mean, 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:56.679 the vast majority of people would go there and have 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:57.840 their dreams crushed. 0:18:58.240 --> 0:18:58.840 Absolutely. 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:03.520 Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely, And it kind of makes it 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:07.160 a if you're like Chris Stapleton or whoever, it kind 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:08.480 of makes it a pain to go out to eat 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:12.040 because everybody's trying to sneak a CD and your sandwich 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:15.240 or thumb drive dumb. 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:19.800 Stapleton was that guy, Absolutely that he was. Man, it's 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:25.040 like the lottery, like you know the lottery. Absolutely, they 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:27.280 let some people win, and so it gives all the 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:30.080 people that don't win inspiration that they're gonna win the 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:30.560 next time. 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:30.960 You know. 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:35.840 I don't know who's controlling this, but uh sounds like 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:36.800 a rigged system. 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:38.080 The best analysis is. 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:41.479 It's kind of like baseball, and there's like the minor leagues, 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:45.160 is like most of most of the songwriters, and then 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:49.040 and then somebody gets called up, you know, And. 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:52.240 Is it always the best guy for real? 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:58.840 Yeah, there's tons of ridiculously talented people out there who 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:00.000 will never be found. 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:00.320 Yeah. 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:03.000 Yeah, well sounds it like a coon hunt, Brent. 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:06.560 The best dog don't always win. It's the guy that 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:06.919 knows the. 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:10.280 Rules mm hmm, or gets lucky. 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:14.360 Will didn't win. Willie Nelson couldn't make it in Nashville. 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:17.520 Home he went. He went down to Texas and became 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:18.200 Willie Nelson. 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:18.960 He's true. 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:20.440 He wrote crazy. 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:24.119 He wrote crazy like a mile from my house in 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:27.520 a building that's not even there anymore in Goodletsville, and 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:32.640 he he gave up and headed down there and became. 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:36.440 Yeah, Willy, he did all right, the beheaded Stranger. 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:40.159 So I won't put these words in your mouth, but 0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:43.360 you were, like, all write songs every single day? 0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:43.760 Right? 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:44.800 Is that true? 0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:45.399 So? 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:47.240 I mean you just like like you just. 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:51.000 Crank them out. Are you talking about lyrics and music? 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:53.040 Which comes first? 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:57.560 It depends on the day really for me, For me, 0:20:58.000 --> 0:21:02.080 the lyrics are the most important part especially being in Nashville. 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:06.520 It's a it's a song town, and so historically. 0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:07.720 Wait a minute, what's the other kind of town. 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:11.359 Well, that's more of a like to me, La is 0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:13.120 more of a beat town. 0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:21.600 Like it's I do best. 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:25.640 You never struggle with words, So Nashville is your town. Okay, okay, yeah, 0:21:25.720 --> 0:21:29.240 it's to me, lyrics are usually first because it's the idea. 0:21:30.480 --> 0:21:33.000 But every once in a while somebody comes in with 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:35.080 a cool lick and you're like, oh, let's write. 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:35.440 Something like that. 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:37.240 So sometimes it's the other way. 0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:48.040 But I'll tell you what gets me about lyrics. You 0:21:48.080 --> 0:21:51.480 don't you can't speak Spanish, Buy a chance? Can that gumt? 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:59.040 Listen to songs in English rhyme versus a rhyme. Listen 0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:01.480 to a song in Spanish. I can't find two words 0:22:01.520 --> 0:22:03.399 in it. It sounded like when you get to the 0:22:03.480 --> 0:22:05.920 end of a beat, when it's when it's supposed to 0:22:06.000 --> 0:22:07.439 rhyme with the sentence before. 0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:09.560 I can't find anything. 0:22:10.440 --> 0:22:12.720 You have you explored this a lot? I have asked 0:22:12.760 --> 0:22:15.399 everybody I know songs rhyme. 0:22:15.560 --> 0:22:17.719 Let's just go Selena's bitty bitty bumba. 0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:23.080