Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production of
Speaker 1: the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, where
Speaker 1: we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes
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Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the place as
Speaker 1: we explore.
Speaker 2: On my shoulder, it's a flint lock.
Speaker 1: Well, I would say that we have our first guests
Speaker 1: on the Bear Grease Render or podcast that is wearing buckskins.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this has been very, very stylish, So we have
Speaker 3: a very special guest with us today.
Speaker 1: We have we have most of the regular crew here.
Speaker 1: We have Misty new Comb. Let me introduce and I'll
Speaker 1: introduce our guests. We have Misty new Coom here, we
Speaker 1: have Josh Lambridge, everyone, Brent Breeves of this country life podcast. Yo,
Speaker 1: who Misty. I've learned that Josh and Brent have a
Speaker 1: secret friendship outside of the render going on. They've been
Speaker 1: fishing together all day and.
Speaker 3: Came and stayed with me last night.
Speaker 4: We went and they didn't and you weren't even invited.
Speaker 5: Even bigger deal, I wasn't.
Speaker 3: You tell all your little secret and even made made
Speaker 3: banana bread for us.
Speaker 1: It was so, when's the last time me and Misty
Speaker 1: banana bread in a while.
Speaker 5: Actually, it takes pretty good care of me.
Speaker 6: She's a good one.
Speaker 1: So so we have we have the regular crew. And
Speaker 1: I want to say to Gary Believer new Coomb has been.
Speaker 3: God rest, he.
Speaker 2: Is alive and well.
Speaker 1: He is fine. Dad had he had both his knees replaced.
Speaker 1: That's why I hadn't been You didn't know that, No,
Speaker 1: we used to be friends before you start hanging out
Speaker 1: with Brenton.
Speaker 2: I knew it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dad had both his knees replaced in early May,
Speaker 1: and so he's been out, but he's going to come
Speaker 1: back bigger than ever.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So that's where Dad has been. But our special guest
Speaker 1: is Andrew Willis from Tennessee, Vegas.
Speaker 4: Excuse me, but can Brent please give a proper intro
Speaker 4: to Andrew.
Speaker 7: And Andrew's wearing a very I would say, comfortable, yet
Speaker 7: sturdy pair of lace up leather boots, some dungarees, the
Speaker 7: folks might say.
Speaker 8: And a very festive and fast the buckskin shirt with
Speaker 8: tassels and fringe. Yeah, yeah, what you call them? French
Speaker 8: like that?
Speaker 3: Very nice overtopping, which is just his normal attire every day.
Speaker 2: That's not untrue, as my wife.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so uh so Andrew and I we've probably known
Speaker 1: each other for maybe a year or so. And Andrew
Speaker 1: is the guy that recorded and helped helped me write
Speaker 1: parts of the Ballad of Warner Glenn. Yeah, so you
Speaker 1: can just that's true. So the story was is that
Speaker 1: I think Andrew, you had sent an email out to
Speaker 1: me about your brand and band called Hawking Horse and
Speaker 1: you were coming out an albums. What was the album's name?
Speaker 9: He was self titled Hawk and Horse was the name
Speaker 9: of the album. And it's a project that I took
Speaker 9: on to really kind of capture the front tier spirit
Speaker 9: and and I had a couple of people say you
Speaker 9: need to send that to Clay Nukelem. So I started
Speaker 9: digging and I was like, whoa, what's a Clay Nukem. Yeah,
Speaker 9: well I heard I heard the Daniel Boone series when
Speaker 9: I was driving the Wisconsin during deer season, and I
Speaker 9: was like, what this guy gets it. So that's what
Speaker 9: I was inspired to send, you know, my album over.
Speaker 1: Well, and so the album is it's about the American West. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have a song Jeremiah Johnson. You have, what are
Speaker 1: some of the other songs about.
Speaker 9: They're about fur trappers, they're about mountain men. Very inspired
Speaker 9: by the movie Jeremiah Johnson. Yeah, inspired by you know,
Speaker 9: the Last of the Mohicans, but also like books and
Speaker 9: and a famous frontiersman like Daniel Boone, Davy Crockett. I
Speaker 9: just put out another album called Long Hunter, and it's
Speaker 9: all inspired by the Kentucky Tennessee Frontier of the late
Speaker 9: seventeen hundreds and frontiersman like Daniel Boone and Simon Kenton
Speaker 9: and uh, a lot of those characters.
Speaker 2: And you know, amazing stories from that era.
Speaker 1: So but in Nashville, Yeah, the reason you live in
Speaker 1: Nashville is because you're a songwriters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 1: Tell us about that. Yeah, so I had wait, let
Speaker 1: me say, hold on, there could be a few things
Speaker 1: that you could have been that would be more interesting
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 1: Number one, commercial fisherman on the Mississippi River.
Speaker 3: Especially like that infatuated with it, right, that would be.
Speaker 5: Slight any more interesting interesting.
Speaker 1: Number two, okay, just commercial fisherman, that would be the
Speaker 1: only thing. Second on the list would be a Nashville songwriter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so tell me, like, how do you be a n
Speaker 1: Ashvial songwriter? And how do you make money? And yeah
Speaker 1: and yeah, so I music. How much money do you have?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Not a lot worse.
Speaker 9: I just I'm literally on the drive out here, I
Speaker 9: realized either my wife or my daughter took the cash
Speaker 9: out of my wallet. So not much. But uh, yeah,
Speaker 9: I I love music. I always loved music. I grew
Speaker 9: up with music.
Speaker 2: Guitar.
Speaker 9: I picked up a guitar about fifteen and just taught
Speaker 9: myself how to play. And my first instinct was to
Speaker 9: write a song. I wasn't like listening to the radio
Speaker 9: going all right, how do I play one headlight?
Speaker 6: I was.
Speaker 2: I was wanting to write a song.
Speaker 5: Exactly how old, exactly I've.
Speaker 9: Exposed myself, but I wanted to write songs.
Speaker 2: And that's immediately what I started to do.
Speaker 9: And so it was around that time that my son
Speaker 9: was born, who has some special needs, and we were
Speaker 9: kind of going through a part of my life where
Speaker 9: we're like, what are we.
Speaker 6: Going to do?
Speaker 9: And I was like, I'm going to have to stay
Speaker 9: home with him right now because he's so bad and
Speaker 9: he's he can't go to school or anything right now.
Speaker 9: So I was like, I guess I'm going to start
Speaker 9: doing this songwriting thing, because I was I had been
Speaker 9: in the outdoor industry before. I worked within the backpacking industry,
Speaker 9: and I was a buyer, so I had a very
Speaker 9: practical I was using my business management degree and I
Speaker 9: was like doing this. And then suddenly I was like,
Speaker 9: I guess I'm going to start writing these songs. And
Speaker 9: within six months of me starting this, I want a contest.
Speaker 9: And then I got a co write with Andy Griggs,
Speaker 9: who was a nineties, late nineties, early two thousands country singer. Yeah,
Speaker 9: he had a couple pretty big hits like you Won't
Speaker 9: Ever Be Lonely and if Heaven and some other he
Speaker 9: was right at late nineties, and uh, anyway, he's a big,
Speaker 9: big hunter, big hunter, and uh anyway, I got the
Speaker 9: opportunity to write with him, and he was he was
Speaker 9: a he's a riot. I mean, he is hilarious. But
Speaker 9: I got my first radio single with him, and it
Speaker 9: was just a small market thing and it was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: He tell us the song do you oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's called kind of like asking a cattle farmer
Speaker 1: how many cows he has?
Speaker 3: You?
Speaker 1: Hear? I got a natural songwriter. Go, yeah, I had
Speaker 1: a song on the radio, and you go, what was it?
Speaker 1: And then he's like, yeah, yeah, you know you may
Speaker 1: have heard it song we've never.
Speaker 9: We're like, oh, okay, okay, yeah, no, this is a
Speaker 9: song you've probably never heard of.
Speaker 2: But it's called Can't I Get An Amen?
Speaker 9: And he he put that out and it was you know,
Speaker 9: and I made hundreds of dollars.
Speaker 2: It was amazing.
Speaker 9: But but I got I got hooked. I got hooked.
Speaker 9: And so not long after that, I my wife's job.
Speaker 9: She was kind of getting over it, and I was like,
Speaker 9: we could go to Nashville, and so we were in
Speaker 9: southeast Ohio at the time and backpacking Mecca yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, backpack and turkey poaching Mecca y yeah.
Speaker 9: Actually on that that that podcast about the turkey poaching
Speaker 9: really hit home because I literally had my AC units
Speaker 9: stolen off.
Speaker 2: The side of my house.
Speaker 1: Are you serious?
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, same area, Pat, Yeah, yeah, but uh we
Speaker 9: So we moved down and I had already built.
Speaker 1: So your your wife had a job where she could
Speaker 1: work correct anywhere, and and you were like, hey, we
Speaker 1: can move to Nashville. Yeah, You're like, I'm a famous songwriter,
Speaker 1: now this sounds like something I would do totally.
Speaker 5: I'm just thinking about your wife must just be a person.
Speaker 2: She's a lot better than me.
Speaker 9: But she was extremely supportive and so we were like,
Speaker 9: let's do it. And my my son, I think was
Speaker 9: like six and my daughter was two, and we're like,
Speaker 9: let's go for it. This is a good time to
Speaker 9: do it. So we moved down and I instantly started,
Speaker 9: you know, expanding my network and writing with, you know,
Speaker 9: notching up on who I was writing with, and learning
Speaker 9: a lot because I was, I figured out real quickly
Speaker 9: at how green I was, and there was a lot
Speaker 9: to learn. And I'm very very blessed. I had some
Speaker 9: like incredible mentors who wrote some incredible songs.
Speaker 2: And name drop, we want to hear him, Okay.
Speaker 9: One of my favorite mentors early on was Craig Bickheart,
Speaker 9: who he had some some hits back in the eighties,
Speaker 9: like in between Dances for who was that.
Speaker 2: Pam Tillis or something.
Speaker 5: Okay, and then we're back to mister era.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 9: But then he was part of a band called s
Speaker 9: KB it used to be SKO and they had like
Speaker 9: There's No Easy Horses and they were on tour with
Speaker 9: Alabama back in the late eighties. But he is a
Speaker 9: fantastic songwriter and I learned a whole lot from him.
Speaker 9: But then Rivers Rutherford, who is a legend. I mean
Speaker 9: he he wrote like when I get where I'm going,
Speaker 9: he wrote, you know, huge Brooks and Dune songs. I
Speaker 9: can't remember everybody else's songs, but I could barely my own.
Speaker 5: A real good Man.
Speaker 2: Yes, you're done, Yes, Tim girrawl, Real good Man.
Speaker 1: So when you're a songwriter, yeah, okay, describe to me. Okay,
Speaker 1: so your family's moved to Nashville and you're being mentored
Speaker 1: and you're you're actually in that world. Yeah, get getting
Speaker 1: paid to write songs. Tell me how the song world works,
Speaker 1: because now you're because you're hawking Horse is kind of
Speaker 1: like this personal thing that you do. Correct Your songwriting
Speaker 1: is much different than that because you're writing stuff not
Speaker 1: about frontiersman. You're like working, and I guess the goal
Speaker 1: would be to write some number one song that's on
Speaker 1: the radio, exactly right, I mean that's the goal of it,
Speaker 1: I guess every songwriter.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: In twenty fifteen, I signed with Sony and my calendar
Speaker 2: was like booked out three months in advance, so I
Speaker 2: knew like.
Speaker 6: Where I was going to be.
Speaker 9: Every day, you know what publishing company who I was
Speaker 9: writing with.
Speaker 1: A publishing company would say we need a song, so
Speaker 1: we need a songwriter, and you would just be like
Speaker 1: a talent they would bring in and they would say, today,
Speaker 1: we're going to write a song about horses.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like okay, I mean really it was on me.
Speaker 9: I had we have what's called a hook book, and
Speaker 9: he's it's an idea we write down.
Speaker 1: Oh I want to write a song, so you have
Speaker 1: your own hookbook.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 1: I am taking note of all this because I have
Speaker 1: three big plans in my life. Number one to become
Speaker 1: a commercial fisherman. Number two to be a stand up comedian.
Speaker 1: Number three to be a Nashville songwriter. Of all those things,
Speaker 1: I am closest to being a songwriter.
Speaker 2: Right absolutely. I mean technically you're in.
Speaker 5: Are you going to move to Nashville?
Speaker 1: I mean, whatever it takes, I guess. Okay, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: now with the internet, you could be a Nashville songwriter
Speaker 1: and just stay at home.
Speaker 6: Did you notice that Missy said? Are you will?
Speaker 1: I kind of like, okay, so so you're you have
Speaker 1: a hook book? So correct come you come to the
Speaker 1: table with some ideas, But how did they know what
Speaker 1: kind of songs you're wanting to write or how do
Speaker 1: you know what they want?
Speaker 9: Well, it used to be in the eighties and nineties,
Speaker 9: three two three songwriters would get together and they would
Speaker 9: throw out ideas, throw it out. You know, I've got
Speaker 9: this idea about a pickup truck. And then you throw out.
Speaker 2: The ideas and and then you go, oh, no, that sucks.
Speaker 2: How about this?
Speaker 9: And you you know, you might be throwing you might
Speaker 9: be thrown out ideas for half a day. In some cases,
Speaker 9: it's it depends who you're writing with. Nowadays you're sitting
Speaker 9: down with an artist and so maybe they're trying to
Speaker 9: put a certain topic on an album they're working on,
Speaker 9: where they're I need something up tempo or I need
Speaker 9: so there's a little more unknown pressure. It used to
Speaker 9: be just going and write the best song that's in
Speaker 9: the room that day. Now it's I'm very topical. Yeah,
Speaker 9: your target a target exactly. So it's maybe a little
Speaker 9: less inspirational to start.
Speaker 2: But but Rivers.
Speaker 9: Rutherford, he always told me, don't write when you're inspired,
Speaker 9: write until you're inspired. Oh, get in there, dig in
Speaker 9: and you don't quit until you get it.
Speaker 3: So I's gonna be locking himself.
Speaker 1: I'm taking notes, taking notes over here.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean there's yeah.
Speaker 4: To hear the backstory of Feed Jake. You know that dog?
Speaker 4: That that song about the dog? Yeah, from the I
Speaker 4: think that was early nineties.
Speaker 6: It's not really sad.
Speaker 4: He's been a good friend right through it all. If
Speaker 4: I die before I wake, feed Jake. I think about
Speaker 4: it every day whenever I'm out of town, and I'm
Speaker 4: wondering if my chickens.
Speaker 5: Are going to be alive when I come home. Reverse
Speaker 5: Feed Jake.
Speaker 4: But anyway, I just am curious how that one came about.
Speaker 4: That's all I could think about.
Speaker 8: When you would have liked that old Tom T Howst
Speaker 8: a song about who's going to feed them hogs?
Speaker 6: You never heard that? How it go?
Speaker 1: How's it go?
Speaker 3: Is?
Speaker 8: It's about I'm trying to remember the the the way
Speaker 8: it goes, the verse. But he's so this guy is
Speaker 8: sick and he's laid up in the in the bed
Speaker 8: and in the hospital bed, and all he can talk about.
Speaker 8: Tom T says, all he can talk about is who's
Speaker 8: going to feed them? I understand it is great man.
Speaker 1: If you could sing, you would probably have like the ultimate.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I mean you you know.
Speaker 5: Are we assuming that? Brent Canton?
Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Brent Cantson, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't believe.
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 1: So now your beat? You're you're living in Nashville. Do
Speaker 1: you have to live in Nashville to be a songwriter?
Speaker 2: You kind of do?
Speaker 3: Okay, asking for a friend, you kind of do.
Speaker 1: I tried for a while not to live there.
Speaker 9: Okay, but you can't. You can't avoid it. You gotta
Speaker 9: be pressient.
Speaker 1: Way collaboration and creativity really flows when you're like I
Speaker 1: to die with people.
Speaker 9: One of my first champions in that town, Alex Torres,
Speaker 9: he uh he told me. I remember calling him up
Speaker 9: and I hadn't moved there yet, and I was really like,
Speaker 9: should I uproot my family and move down to Nashville?
Speaker 9: And I called him and I was like, hey, you know,
Speaker 9: should I Should I do this? And he just deadpan,
Speaker 9: he was like, if you have to ask the answers, No,
Speaker 9: You'll only come here if you've got to come here,
Speaker 9: And and that hit me.
Speaker 1: I was like, pack the bags. Conviction.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, so.
Speaker 1: Is it true. Okay, maybe maybe I heard I don't
Speaker 1: know where I heard this, but like when you go
Speaker 1: to Nashville and you go to a restaurant and someone
Speaker 1: waits on your table and they're like a twenty something person,
Speaker 1: there's a pretty good chance that they are in Nashville
Speaker 1: trying to make it in the music scene somewhere.
Speaker 2: I would say that's very active.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like a it's like a mecca for
Speaker 1: people to show up and a lot of people, I mean,
Speaker 1: the vast majority of people would go there and have
Speaker 1: their dreams crushed.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely, And it kind of makes it
Speaker 10: a if you're like Chris Stapleton or whoever, it kind
Speaker 10: of makes it a pain to go out to eat
Speaker 10: because everybody's trying to sneak a CD and your sandwich
Speaker 10: or thumb drive dumb.
Speaker 1: Stapleton was that guy, Absolutely that he was. Man, it's
Speaker 1: like the lottery, like you know the lottery. Absolutely, they
Speaker 1: let some people win, and so it gives all the
Speaker 1: people that don't win inspiration that they're gonna win the
Speaker 1: next time.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: I don't know who's controlling this, but uh sounds like
Speaker 1: a rigged system.
Speaker 2: The best analysis is.
Speaker 9: It's kind of like baseball, and there's like the minor leagues,
Speaker 9: is like most of most of the songwriters, and then
Speaker 9: and then somebody gets called up, you know, And.
Speaker 1: Is it always the best guy for real?
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's tons of ridiculously talented people out there who
Speaker 3: will never be found.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well sounds it like a coon hunt, Brent.
Speaker 6: The best dog don't always win. It's the guy that
Speaker 6: knows the.
Speaker 1: Rules mm hmm, or gets lucky.
Speaker 5: Will didn't win. Willie Nelson couldn't make it in Nashville.
Speaker 1: Home he went. He went down to Texas and became
Speaker 1: Willie Nelson.
Speaker 3: He's true.
Speaker 2: He wrote crazy.
Speaker 9: He wrote crazy like a mile from my house in
Speaker 9: a building that's not even there anymore in Goodletsville, and
Speaker 9: he he gave up and headed down there and became.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Willy, he did all right, the beheaded Stranger.
Speaker 1: So I won't put these words in your mouth, but
Speaker 1: you were, like, all write songs every single day?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 2: Is that true?
Speaker 6: So?
Speaker 1: I mean you just like like you just.
Speaker 3: Crank them out. Are you talking about lyrics and music?
Speaker 6: Which comes first?
Speaker 9: It depends on the day really for me, For me,
Speaker 9: the lyrics are the most important part especially being in Nashville.
Speaker 9: It's a it's a song town, and so historically.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, what's the other kind of town.
Speaker 2: Well, that's more of a like to me, La is
Speaker 2: more of a beat town.
Speaker 1: Like it's I do best.
Speaker 9: You never struggle with words, So Nashville is your town. Okay, okay, yeah,
Speaker 9: it's to me, lyrics are usually first because it's the idea.
Speaker 9: But every once in a while somebody comes in with
Speaker 9: a cool lick and you're like, oh, let's write.
Speaker 6: Something like that.
Speaker 2: So sometimes it's the other way.
Speaker 8: But I'll tell you what gets me about lyrics. You
Speaker 8: don't you can't speak Spanish, Buy a chance? Can that gumt?
Speaker 8: Listen to songs in English rhyme versus a rhyme. Listen
Speaker 8: to a song in Spanish. I can't find two words
Speaker 8: in it. It sounded like when you get to the
Speaker 8: end of a beat, when it's when it's supposed to
Speaker 8: rhyme with the sentence before.
Speaker 6: I can't find anything.
Speaker 1: You have you explored this a lot? I have asked
Speaker 1: everybody I know songs rhyme.
Speaker 5: Let's just go Selena's bitty bitty bumba.
Speaker 6: I don't know about that at all. Bumba.
Speaker 1: We may have gotten off track.
Speaker 2: How many songwriters do we get in here?
Speaker 6: We've had you.
Speaker 1: Have one in your presence all the time.
Speaker 6: Okay, how many real songwriters do we have? Every time?
Speaker 1: Original songs? Somebody?
Speaker 6: Have you made? Have you made dolls?
Speaker 3: It's like a form letter, the ballad of filling the plank?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Josh about this?
Speaker 6: It works?
Speaker 3: How many fans written that? A start off with the
Speaker 3: ballad of How many songs do you think you've written?
Speaker 6: Andrew?
Speaker 2: Definitely over a thousand? Wow, Lord, probably fourteen?
Speaker 5: You write every day? You're writing a song every day? Yeah,
Speaker 5: all right.
Speaker 3: Do you have like a goal, like I'm going to
Speaker 3: complete a song today?
Speaker 9: I yeah, I almost always, Like I usually get five
Speaker 9: songs a week.
Speaker 1: Really, yeah, a contract with somebody to do that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I have been.
Speaker 9: I'm I've written for three different companies and it's and
Speaker 9: it's funny because they're the contract says you need to
Speaker 9: turn in twelve one hundred percent songs or thirty six
Speaker 9: third percent you know, songs per year.
Speaker 2: But if you're only doing that, you're not in the game.
Speaker 9: So really, everybody's just writing four or five days a week,
Speaker 9: cranking them out Wow.
Speaker 1: And so you write a bunch of songs that never
Speaker 1: see the light of day anywhere. Absolutely, So it's just
Speaker 1: they're just trying to funnel through as much and they'll
Speaker 1: one will ping with an artist. So you're writing songs
Speaker 1: for some of these country artists that are trying to
Speaker 1: make it into the mainstream, which, like I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: speculating here, but you're not necessarily trying. You're not trying
Speaker 1: to be like a country music star.
Speaker 2: I am not.
Speaker 1: You would be if they asked you, But that's not
Speaker 1: like the that's you're a songwriter.
Speaker 2: Yeah I am. That's what I'm passionate about.
Speaker 6: It is the writing.
Speaker 2: And uh.
Speaker 1: And so a home run for you would be for
Speaker 1: Luke Comb's or somebody to pick to somehow hear one
Speaker 1: of your songs and be like I want to record that, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and that would be like massive.
Speaker 5: That might actually be like a world series.
Speaker 2: That would be the worst.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that would be the world series right absolutely?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I Uh, it's funny.
Speaker 9: It's I was telling somebody the other day, you write,
Speaker 9: say you write a thousand songs, five songs will make
Speaker 9: you ninety nine percent of your money you make in
Speaker 9: your whole career like woa.
Speaker 1: Wow, it's so that's like gold mining.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is kind of prospective.
Speaker 3: Is that the law of averages? Like if I write
Speaker 3: enough songs, surely one of them is gonna be a hit.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 9: And that's the funny thing is just because those other
Speaker 9: nine hundred and ninety five make sure I'm doing my
Speaker 9: math right.
Speaker 2: Songs, that doesn't mean they're not hits. That's what's funny.
Speaker 6: They just didn't get the shot.
Speaker 9: Yeah, or they haven't got There's just a lot of
Speaker 9: songs in that town.
Speaker 2: And then there's back catalog.
Speaker 9: I mean, for goodness sakes, if you're like say Jason
Speaker 9: Aldean and you're looking for songs, yeah, you're looking at
Speaker 9: new stuff. But what if there's like this old Whalen
Speaker 9: song that was never cut?
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, well that would be pretty cool.
Speaker 9: So there's there's literally decades of back catalog in that
Speaker 9: town that are amazing. Tom t Hall songs or Don Williams,
Speaker 9: it's amazing.
Speaker 4: Who has access to the hook book? I'd kind of
Speaker 4: like to hear about the other side of it. So
Speaker 4: you're supplying who where does the demand come from?
Speaker 6: Well? The artist?
Speaker 9: So who like say it's like Monday, and I look
Speaker 9: at my calendar and it's like, all right, I am
Speaker 9: writing with this artist. Say, I'm like my buddy Tristan Morez.
Speaker 9: He's a Texas country artist, and I'm like, okay, he
Speaker 9: usually writes.
Speaker 2: This kind of stuff.
Speaker 9: So I'll I'll be thinking, oh, what, what's a good
Speaker 9: idea for Tristan? Because I have him coming up on
Speaker 9: my books next week. So then we'll go in and
Speaker 9: I'll throw out some ideas and he might have one.
Speaker 9: The dream is for the artist to walk in with
Speaker 9: an idea, because you know they're already into it, right,
Speaker 9: So as a songwriter, you're like, please let them be
Speaker 9: excited about something. So because now otherwise I got to
Speaker 9: sell an idea that I have and just hope it
Speaker 9: connects with them.
Speaker 1: So well, I want to hear you play the Ballad
Speaker 1: of Warner Glenn. Yeah, man, so this song. So we
Speaker 1: didn't really finish our full introduction, but Andrew wrote me
Speaker 1: about this out Hawking Horse album that was coming out
Speaker 1: about the Frontiersman in the West, the Fur Trappers, and
Speaker 1: he seemed like a cool guy, and that's right when
Speaker 1: I had had this Ballad of Warner Glenn, like mostly finished,
Speaker 1: but I said, hey, would you take this song and
Speaker 1: do whatever you want to it, but record it for
Speaker 1: me professionally? And he was like absolutely, And it just
Speaker 1: felt like it was right up his alley to do it.
Speaker 1: And uh and and and he helped me become a
Speaker 1: registered songwriter. Well what organization, Uh, you're with ascap ass
Speaker 1: cap Yeah, yep, yep, it's official all right. So if
Speaker 1: for people who haven't maybe maybe hadn't been following along,
Speaker 1: We did a big series on Warner Glenn. Warner Glenn
Speaker 1: is now eighty seven years old. He lives in Southeast Arizona.
Speaker 1: We did a video project with Warner. He's an incredible
Speaker 1: man and I've spent some time with him on a
Speaker 1: couple different trips. And came back from Southeast Arizona and
Speaker 1: was inspired to write a ballad about Warner Glenn. And
Speaker 1: then it turned over to Andrew and and he helped
Speaker 1: me with some of the some of the lyrics and
Speaker 1: the chorus mainly, and put just put some magic on it.
Speaker 1: So sing it for us, man, I.
Speaker 9: Didn't have to change too much. The lyrics were pretty fantastic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were pretty fantastic. Andrews said, you should see
Speaker 1: him have a bulldozer.
Speaker 2: Way down south on the border of.
Speaker 11: Mexico with rattlesnakes, cactus and bandiedos, dirt and spurs, Feed
Speaker 11: the hounds and let.
Speaker 6: Them go.
Speaker 11: As a boy Marvin Toddham with big charms, rude and
Speaker 11: open country where the jaguars wrong, Open country full of
Speaker 11: a different kind of gold.
Speaker 2: Sixteen hand mules saddled up to four. The song glows.
Speaker 11: Nobody told them this wretched life is a hard road,
Speaker 11: hiding rising sun behind the cheery cow was O.
Speaker 2: He's mounted in mood and for an all.
Speaker 11: Their mule backstroke in open country where the jaguars rong,
Speaker 11: open country full of a different kind of gold. The
Speaker 11: lion track in the dirt seven miles in. But where'd
Speaker 11: he go? Got a pack of wide walkers that are
Speaker 11: philosopher's like through working cross the dirt like the farm
Speaker 11: and works his rose up the canyon around the rock.
Speaker 1: Chasing the ghost of a shadow.
Speaker 11: Through open country where the jaguars rong, open country full
Speaker 11: of a different kind of gold.
Speaker 2: Open country will be lost.
Speaker 11: No one knows, but this ould countries where the jiguire
Speaker 11: roams the lonely catch him if he crosses the plateau,
Speaker 11: chasing him over the rim rocks and old hook basing man.
Speaker 11: Hope it's no lion. He seeks a little wildness. You
Speaker 11: can control who I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: It's Worn and Glen and it's mum chummo.
Speaker 6: Exce e.
Speaker 8: Oh man, man, Yeah, how did that feel here just
Speaker 8: watching him?
Speaker 1: That's really cool? Yeah, really cool man. That sounds good.
Speaker 3: Thanks guys.
Speaker 5: He's really good.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So that song, if somebody didn't have any context,
Speaker 1: it possibly could be confusing. Warner Glenn is a mountain lion,
Speaker 1: dry ground mountain lion hunter, and that's why there's you know,
Speaker 1: there's if you If you know about Warner Glenn, this
Speaker 1: song makes a lot of sense. Marvin is his dad,
Speaker 1: who's long passed away. But Marvin todt him where the
Speaker 1: big Tom's rove. That's in the beginning. He lives in
Speaker 1: the Chirikawa Mountains. Warner Glenn owns I'm pretty sure seventeen mules,
Speaker 1: and hardly one of them is under sixteen hands tall,
Speaker 1: which is really tall for a mule. Warner Glenn's sixty six.
Speaker 1: He needs a big muley.
Speaker 6: He uh he.
Speaker 1: He runs a pack of mixed walker dogs and my
Speaker 1: favorite line in there is He's got a pack of
Speaker 1: white walkers that are philosophers like throw because these dogs
Speaker 1: are at the pinnacle of the hound hunting world for
Speaker 1: their ability to trail game, because it's the toughest conditions
Speaker 1: there is for trailing game, which is dry and hot,
Speaker 1: and so they're chasing the ghost of a shadow, which
Speaker 1: is cool. And then so the chorus talks about jaguars though,
Speaker 1: and that part of the world is the only place
Speaker 1: in America where the range of the jaguar goes into America.
Speaker 1: And if you watched our film on the Media YouTube channel,
Speaker 1: you would see that Warner Glenn was the first person
Speaker 1: to ever document a live jaguar in America his dogs,
Speaker 1: and I believe it was nineteen ninety six, and then
Speaker 1: he did it again in the two thousands. He was
Speaker 1: lying hunting for mountain lions, which are a lot of
Speaker 1: mountain lions out there, and his dogs bade what he
Speaker 1: thought was a mountain lion, and he goes into the
Speaker 1: dogs and it's a jaguar, and he has this camera
Speaker 1: with him and he takes a photograph and it's the
Speaker 1: first photograph ever of a jaguar not dead. Now there's
Speaker 1: a bunch of old photos of dead jaguars. The first
Speaker 1: first time they're like, yep, there's a live jaguar. And
Speaker 1: it was before trail cameras were real prominent and such,
Speaker 1: and yeah, there's a painting right there. You can buy
Speaker 1: that painting. I'm pretty sure the last name of that
Speaker 1: painter is McWilliams. But this I've got, I've got the
Speaker 1: jaguar that de las Delos.
Speaker 5: That's what it says on the paint, not McWilliams, yea
Speaker 5: delos And you.
Speaker 3: Can he's that's the guy you both paint from.
Speaker 1: Yeah, McWilliams paint yeah, down in southeast Arizona. But so
Speaker 1: when you're in that country, though, it's it's like jaguar country,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of the lore. And Warner Glenn's eighty
Speaker 1: seven and he's seen two, you know, and most people
Speaker 1: have lived there their whole lives and seen zero. His
Speaker 1: dad always wanted to see a jaguar and never did.
Speaker 1: His dad, Marvin, never cause a jaguar. Oh yeah, that's
Speaker 1: incredibly rare. And so that's why the chorus talks about jaguars.
Speaker 1: But the but the main thing is is, uh is
Speaker 1: there They're lion hunting, and then he had a mule.
Speaker 1: I had to pick a mule name because he in
Speaker 1: his book, Warner Glenn has a book, and in his book, Uh,
Speaker 1: he was given a mule name Muchomo from a rich,
Speaker 1: wealthy Mexican rancher who he and his dad went down
Speaker 1: into Mexico to catch lions off this ranch that were
Speaker 1: pread that, you know, catching cattle and horse cults and stuff.
Speaker 1: And the man liked Warner so much that he gave
Speaker 1: him his finest Well, as the story went, I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure this. This wealthy rancher said, Warner, you can have
Speaker 1: any one of my horses that you want, some version
Speaker 1: of he's. He offered him a horse, and Warner said,
Speaker 1: you know what, I really don't want any of your horses,
Speaker 1: but I'd like that mule, Machomo. And so the rancher
Speaker 1: was like, really you want the mule. B So so
Speaker 1: Warner took Mochomo and he became this like incredible mule.
Speaker 1: And so that's why I love Warner Glenn. He chose
Speaker 1: the mule over the horse.
Speaker 6: How about Banjo?
Speaker 1: What's that?
Speaker 6: How about Benjo? Dude?
Speaker 1: We'll not even go there. Okay, it's not time to
Speaker 1: release the information. Let me tell you this, I've been
Speaker 1: riding banjo all over these mountains for the last week.
Speaker 3: It's true, and got the offers of ten grand.
Speaker 1: Oh next year, should I just be desirous of ling him?
Speaker 1: He'll be worth ten grand. He's a fantastic mule. He's
Speaker 1: beautiful and he's doing very good. I might even lik
Speaker 1: him better than is.
Speaker 6: He Come on out there say that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's kind of a piece of work.
Speaker 5: But anyway, he's the pain.
Speaker 1: That was cool Andrew? So people, where can people find
Speaker 1: that song?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 9: You can find it anywhere you stream music, Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon.
Speaker 1: Add it to your playlist. Yeah, guess guess who gets
Speaker 1: Guess who gets the money? Me and Andrew There.
Speaker 3: All right, maybe we may may hundreds of the I
Speaker 3: will quit.
Speaker 6: Everybody. Everybody media downloaded music, download, download.
Speaker 5: All the time, and I've not seen a paycheck yet.
Speaker 5: Tell me not my choice either.
Speaker 3: In the car, it's the only song you've got on
Speaker 3: his playlist.
Speaker 4: Repeat when mess with that playlist because that comes on first.
Speaker 3: It's like, all.
Speaker 1: Right, well, no, for real, you need to go check
Speaker 1: out Hawking Horse. Yeah, Hawking Horse, you have a lot
Speaker 1: of songs. Yeah, My favorite one is Jeremiah Johnson. I think,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I love that Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that song too.
Speaker 6: I can watch that movie every day and I listen
Speaker 6: to that song a bunch of times. It's good. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I've never seen it.
Speaker 6: Something you just don't tell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I should have kept that to yourself. Well that's incredible. Well, hey,
Speaker 1: but the reason.
Speaker 3: Before we get into the can he tell us about
Speaker 3: this rifle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, quickly, because we we've got, we've got there's just
Speaker 1: got a lot to do. A beautiful Yeah, tell us
Speaker 1: about the rifle.
Speaker 9: Well, this is a forty five caliber Kibbler woods Runner,
Speaker 9: and it's there. Jim Kibler is a gun builder out
Speaker 9: of Ohio, and he makes these C and C rifle
Speaker 9: kits and they go together like legos. I mean, this
Speaker 9: is I'm not some amazing woodworker, I you know, I
Speaker 9: just put this together. But anyway, this is my new
Speaker 9: baby and I plan on taking a deer with it
Speaker 9: this year.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a flint lock.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a flint lock.
Speaker 1: So it actually has a rock, a piece of flint
Speaker 1: YEP makes the spark that ignites the powder.
Speaker 2: YEP, black powder only wow.
Speaker 1: And it's a would you describe that as a Kentucky
Speaker 1: long rifle style gun?
Speaker 2: Absolutely it Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is called.
Speaker 9: A woods runner, so it's a little more nimble for
Speaker 9: running through the woods.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's a beautiful gun.
Speaker 9: But yeah, it's a Pennsylvania, Kentucky long rifle either one
Speaker 9: of those names.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well so. So on Instagram, Andrew is Hawking Horse and
Speaker 1: he posts it's kind of like an educational in a
Speaker 1: way channel about the frontier. Like he posts a lot
Speaker 1: of art and a lot of pictures and he'll have
Speaker 1: information about I mean, like I learned stuff following Talking
Speaker 1: Horse on Instagram. Yeah a lot. So, but that's why
Speaker 1: he's kind of big into the flint lock and all
Speaker 1: this stuff.
Speaker 5: It's actually Hawking horse Band. Some Hawking horse band.
Speaker 1: Yeah, check it out. Check it out. So the reason
Speaker 1: I wanted to have Andrew here today was because we're
Speaker 1: talking about Davy Crockett and uh, if you're if you're
Speaker 1: new to the podcast. On the Render, we talk about
Speaker 1: out what happened the week before on the actual Bear
Speaker 1: Grease podcast And guys, guess what. You're all in trouble
Speaker 1: because we have another quiz. I we have another quiz
Speaker 1: a row the yeah, the last the last quiz seemed
Speaker 1: to do it was. I felt like that it helped
Speaker 1: me get some energy gain control of my podcast again
Speaker 1: because I then know if you guys are paying attention,
Speaker 1: because sometimes I'm like, was the podcast last week? And
Speaker 1: they are like, oh, it was great, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: what was it about? Pop quiz?
Speaker 8: It's what happened on the way home from fishing this
Speaker 8: morning to day Me and Josh had you on it.
Speaker 8: What was that one?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, y'all were studying.
Speaker 8: You were spitting out some info Jack like drinking from
Speaker 8: a firehood from my ears.
Speaker 1: Okay, here we go. The first person to answer, just
Speaker 1: blurt it out, blurted out. Even you can even cut
Speaker 1: the cut the question in half. Each correct answer gets
Speaker 1: a point. Incorrect answer are minus point five. Incorrect answers
Speaker 1: get that point. Who wins gets the rifle?
Speaker 8: All right, here we go.
Speaker 1: Question number one, how quickly did Crockett married Elizabeth under
Speaker 1: after Polly his first wife? Three months? Goes to Josh.
Speaker 1: I feel like this quiz, that's where we could have.
Speaker 5: Unfortunately favors the impulsive.
Speaker 1: The impulsive are going to get minus points if they
Speaker 1: get it one of.
Speaker 3: The one of the beatitudes blessed.
Speaker 6: Quiz.
Speaker 1: I think that was on there, Josh.
Speaker 2: Remember that.
Speaker 6: That was.
Speaker 1: Okay, So that was the way the podcast started off,
Speaker 1: was talking about his wife dying. Yeah, it was, it was,
Speaker 1: and then he within three months married. We don't know
Speaker 1: the exact date that Polly died. I don't think that's
Speaker 1: like in the record. Well, it wasn't in the books
Speaker 1: that I read. It probably is on a headstone somewhere.
Speaker 1: We don't know exactly when she died the day she died,
Speaker 1: but we do know that he got married on the
Speaker 1: March fifteenth.
Speaker 6: What was December the fourteenth? What was that?
Speaker 5: Could be a question on the quiz.
Speaker 6: Well, that's my answer right now.
Speaker 1: There's nothing. Nothing happened on December fourteenth, of note in
Speaker 1: the last two hundred years. But it was very pragmatic,
Speaker 1: and that's where we went, and that's when Robert Morgan
Speaker 1: brought up this idea of pragmatism being of value. The
Speaker 1: American Front.
Speaker 3: June the eleventh, eighteen fifteen.
Speaker 1: Polydid negative, that's what it says. Okay, Well, then Crockett
Speaker 1: married Elizabeth two months before that. We've got a major scan.
Speaker 6: Oh, bump, bump, bum.
Speaker 3: I still got my point.
Speaker 1: You still get your point. We're gonna have to get
Speaker 1: to the bottom of this. Let's let's not do that now.
Speaker 3: We're going to have another episode now, folks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, But the pragmatism, mister, you were going to
Speaker 1: say something about pragmatism.
Speaker 6: I want to say something.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, let me talk.
Speaker 4: No, it's all right, you go ahead. I'm trying to
Speaker 4: remember what I was going to say about pragmatism.
Speaker 8: I'll tell you what I was going to say about it,
Speaker 8: because I want to say something about it too. I
Speaker 8: counted eight times it was used in one paragraph, pragmatism, pragmatic,
Speaker 8: it's very pragmatic, fantastic. It was used eight times. I
Speaker 8: counted on while we was driving down the road. I
Speaker 8: was hoping that was going to be a test question.
Speaker 8: But that's all I had to say about it.
Speaker 1: That's all so used it. I thought it was I
Speaker 1: thought it was good that it was u It came
Speaker 1: up over and over, it came okay, question.
Speaker 2: But what I.
Speaker 4: Thought, you know, Robert Morgan was talking about how a
Speaker 4: lot of there was a lot of idealism though in
Speaker 4: the South, and that I'm trying to remember, was he
Speaker 4: saying idealism was an American It is because you said
Speaker 4: it's unique. He said, it's not unique, but it is American.
Speaker 1: Right well. He but then he contrasted the North and
Speaker 1: the South and the in the Civil War, and he
Speaker 1: talked about how the South was was that was part
Speaker 1: of the reason some believe they lost the war was
Speaker 1: they were they were more idealistic, less pragmatic, and so
Speaker 1: the South would have been kind of excluded from the
Speaker 1: pragmatic American thinking that that was what he was saying.
Speaker 9: So I like that quote he said when you guys
Speaker 9: were talking, Robert Morgan said something of the fact of
Speaker 9: nothing is the end of the world.
Speaker 5: Yeah, America that I actually have that quote written.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that hit home. I was like, oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's an American way right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the idea that the actual geographic size of
Speaker 1: America gave us so much opportunity, and then that became
Speaker 1: part of the national character was opportunity. And it all
Speaker 1: goes back to land, which in human history it almost
Speaker 1: always goes back to land, and like who's got the land?
Speaker 1: And do you own it? That's that's like the story.
Speaker 1: I mean, even all the way back to the garden
Speaker 1: of Eden and Adam and Eve, the land and the people.
Speaker 1: And in America, coming from this really overcrowded Europe that
Speaker 1: was settled from shore to shore for the most part,
Speaker 1: they came to this huge place that which in the
Speaker 1: America an ideal was a wilderness. But my friend Taylor
Speaker 1: Keene a couple of years ago, he was the first
Speaker 1: one I remember saying it to me. He said, the
Speaker 1: idea that America was a wilderness is a farce. It wasn't.
Speaker 1: It was a It was a robust civilization. But to
Speaker 1: the European it looked like wilderness. To the Native Americans,
Speaker 1: it looked like a great civilization, you know. And so
Speaker 1: that's a whole nother story. But basically we came in
Speaker 1: and had all this room to grow, room to mess up,
Speaker 1: room to become wealthy. And so I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: really a part of the American story is the land
Speaker 1: which is wild and and and the more I dig
Speaker 1: into American history, the more I realized how wild it is.
Speaker 1: That there's not like five countries inside of what is
Speaker 1: now the continental US. It totally would have made sense.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what the South tried to do with
Speaker 1: the Civil War was to make their own country. I mean,
Speaker 1: and it's a wonder there wasn't you know of Spanish.
Speaker 1: I mean that they're just it was so broken up,
Speaker 1: so many people had stakes in it. And the fact
Speaker 1: that it became from Atlantic to Pacific the same nation
Speaker 1: is wild.
Speaker 6: Well, this one big hunker ground. It is three countries.
Speaker 1: And that's why I said, you know what is now
Speaker 1: the continental US right right right?
Speaker 4: It is part of the challenge that I think America
Speaker 4: is facing right now is all of these you know
Speaker 4: that it's not just geographic spread, but the diversity of
Speaker 4: ideas and the diversity of and one of the one
Speaker 4: of the challenges that we give our students every year
Speaker 4: in one of our classes is to you know, think
Speaker 4: about the US in terms of different countries and how
Speaker 4: would you how would you put it together? And some
Speaker 4: people do it just by geography, but a lot of
Speaker 4: the students say, well, it's more about ideals, and they
Speaker 4: try to group people by ideals. And our school is
Speaker 4: is has a hybrid been to it, and so kids
Speaker 4: are actually coming from all over the US and and
Speaker 4: and there's there is like a there was a big
Speaker 4: famous article about ten years ago the nine Nations of
Speaker 4: North America, and it's it's challenging because it's not geographically split.
Speaker 4: It's it's really more split off of a set of ideals.
Speaker 1: Yeah, interesting, very interesting. Okay, Question number two, what topic
Speaker 1: did host Clay Nukeom ask the render members.
Speaker 2: To Alabama and.
Speaker 1: The point Andrew Will Yes. Okay, so there's only so
Speaker 1: much you can talk about. Crockett goes down to Alabama.
Speaker 1: He's married to Elizabeth. He goes down to Alabama and
Speaker 1: he gets incredibly sick. He's traveling with two guys, just Tennesseeans,
Speaker 1: and he gets so sick, probably malaria, and they think
Speaker 1: he's dead. And now it would be interesting to get
Speaker 1: the real story of, like how do you think a
Speaker 1: guy's dead to the point that he's alive when you
Speaker 1: leave him that you're leaving it. I mean, it's almost
Speaker 1: like two of some of your best friends going fishing
Speaker 1: without you and not even telling you that they went.
Speaker 4: So especially when your life goal is to be a
Speaker 4: commercial fisherman.
Speaker 1: These guys that are like his neighbors and such take
Speaker 1: his horse back to Elizabeth and it is like Crockett
Speaker 1: and I don't think it was scandalous there was no
Speaker 1: talk of like they were shysters because they they took
Speaker 1: his horse back, and so I don't know if I
Speaker 1: don't know what circumstances drove them to not nurse him
Speaker 1: or take him. We don't really know, because he just
Speaker 1: talks about in his autobiography. And so takes the horseback
Speaker 1: to the wife and says he gone, and and she goes,
Speaker 1: I don't think he's dead, and perhaps they told her
Speaker 1: we think he's dead, Like when we left him, he
Speaker 1: was really sick. And basically he tries to walk home
Speaker 1: and he's on the side of the road in Alabama,
Speaker 1: and two Indians come by and they take him when
Speaker 1: he's dying after these guys left him, and they take
Speaker 1: him to the nearest home of a white person and
Speaker 1: just this random house, and these Native Americans drop crocodilef
Speaker 1: and they say, here's a dude.
Speaker 6: Some I broke you white man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to come up with a pack.
Speaker 5: Here, guys, if you are ever out in the hunting with.
Speaker 4: His clay, get back, all right, you'd like to go
Speaker 4: ahead and at that body back just so that we
Speaker 4: can confirm any sense of uncertainty about it and bring
Speaker 4: them back breathing.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Crockett goes into this house and they give him they
Speaker 1: have some kind of bottle of medicine and there's a name.
Speaker 3: For some some incredibly powerful elixir.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they give him like the whole bottle and
Speaker 1: he's supposed to just take a little bit of it,
Speaker 1: and he stays unconscious for five days. He's unconscious for
Speaker 1: five days.
Speaker 6: Yeah, opium, that's it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's like taking some some hydrocodone.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what it was. And then and and he's
Speaker 1: unconscious for five days and then finally like comes awake,
Speaker 1: stays with him for two weeks, and then goes back
Speaker 1: to Elizabeth, and she had already sent a guy out
Speaker 1: to go check on him. So when he's coming back,
Speaker 1: the guy's going out and she's like, you're alive. But
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting talking about how common that
Speaker 1: that was back in those days for people to.
Speaker 5: Just think leave the human, bring the horse home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just for people to think someone was dead because
Speaker 1: there was just no communication and it was just so
Speaker 1: common for people to die. And so, I mean that
Speaker 1: happened so many times. It happened with Boone, and it
Speaker 1: happened all over and the idea that thinking someone's dead
Speaker 1: and them not being dead and showing back up. Can
Speaker 1: you think of a more a scenario with the possibility
Speaker 1: for a more strong human response? Right, yeah, to just
Speaker 1: I mean, I like, somebody could die and you get
Speaker 1: like an emotional responds of oh he's dead. Someone could
Speaker 1: get lost. You know they're alive, but they're found. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: we never thought he was dead. He was just gone
Speaker 1: for a while. Somebody dies, it's like game over the
Speaker 1: lowest the lowest to the highest of highs like that,
Speaker 1: they come back.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you can probably write a song about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably you should think about.
Speaker 6: Right now.
Speaker 1: But then and then even taking that back to the
Speaker 1: pinnacle of the Christian faith, which is Jesus died three
Speaker 1: days later, came back.
Speaker 6: He did. He did.
Speaker 1: It wasn't fake. And so that's just interesting. It was
Speaker 1: interesting to me. So thank you for reminding me. That
Speaker 1: was Andrew, Thank you for reminding me. The score is
Speaker 1: one Andrew one, Josh Billmaker want him Brent zero, Misty zero.
Speaker 4: I would like to get a half a point because
Speaker 4: Andrews said at Alabama, but I said near death.
Speaker 5: Experience.
Speaker 1: He said it quicker. Okay, we're moving on question number
Speaker 1: three in Crockett's let's see, Okay, in Crockett's first term
Speaker 1: in office, what nickname did he pick up that he.
Speaker 6: From?
Speaker 1: Remember that you picked it right, You picked his pocket
Speaker 1: gentleman from the cape.
Speaker 2: Over here, like the dude from the cane.
Speaker 1: Gentleman from the cane.
Speaker 6: So that was.
Speaker 1: One Josh one brand zero. That was a I thought
Speaker 1: that was.
Speaker 6: A cool story.
Speaker 1: And it was the it became. It was early in
Speaker 1: his life, he was young, it was his first time
Speaker 1: in public office. This guy really literally came off the
Speaker 1: American frontier all of a sudden, has put in this
Speaker 1: place of proper men inside of a political system that's still,
Speaker 1: even though it's on the American frontier, is quite aristocratic.
Speaker 1: I mean, we like to think, and this is where
Speaker 1: Crockett's influence in America is seen so strong, is that
Speaker 1: all these Europeans came from Europe. And I mean, what
Speaker 1: do you think when you see a picture of George
Speaker 1: Washington and Benjamin Franklin, they look like Europeans. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean they're wearing they're wearing the European clothes. They got
Speaker 1: the European hairstyles. They they were breaking away from that,
Speaker 1: and their ideals were very different. But still there was
Speaker 1: a big tinge of kind of this aristocracy and the
Speaker 1: rich folks lead, and there was the common man that
Speaker 1: would never have the ability to make this jump. And
Speaker 1: if you were in a landowner, you didn't have any power.
Speaker 1: And so Crockett coming from the frontier, and remember he's
Speaker 1: the first one, really and he's standing up before the
Speaker 1: Tennessee State Legislature, and this old guy who we don't
Speaker 1: even know his name anymore, he he is is enforcing,
Speaker 1: reinforcing to the world that this commoner shouldn't be here.
Speaker 1: So I mean, it's really it's really showing the ideals
Speaker 1: of Europe. And he says the Gentleman from the Cane,
Speaker 1: totally belittling him the cane. It would be like saying
Speaker 1: the hicks from the sticks. These guys. Crockett comes back
Speaker 1: the next day wearing, as a joke, a rough and
Speaker 1: stands up and introduces himself as the Gentleman from the Cane.
Speaker 1: Charms the whole place. Makes this guy look like an idiot,
Speaker 1: and for the rest of his life he was. He
Speaker 1: called himself the Gentleman from the Cane now that he
Speaker 1: was playing chess well then boys was playing. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: thought that was cool. Okay, final question, it's a tie,
Speaker 1: it's a words. Did David Crockett have his portrait artist
Speaker 1: John Gatsby Chadman.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 1: Of his gun? Andrew come you when a Kentucky.
Speaker 12: I was, I'm relieved I.
Speaker 1: Just got that go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. So
Speaker 1: that was yeah, that was Crockett's. That was Crockett's. Uh,
Speaker 1: that was his just what he what he said, and
Speaker 1: he wanted that written on the written on his gun.
Speaker 1: What did y'all think about?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 1: Well, I had somebody communicate with me that they didn't
Speaker 1: understand what Crockett's blunder was. They thought that I was
Speaker 1: saying that Crockett's blunder was him opposing the Indian removal.
Speaker 1: I no, I feel like I made it clear.
Speaker 4: I actually said that was Crockett's bleunder Crocketts blender was
Speaker 4: because I thought I thought you did make it clear
Speaker 4: and you actually restated it. It was him going on
Speaker 4: the book and forgetting forsaking his duties as a congressman
Speaker 4: instead going on the book toward it.
Speaker 1: Maybe that guy didn't finish the podcast because it was
Speaker 1: clear that the Indian Removal Act, the opposition to that,
Speaker 1: hurt him politically, but that I think it was his
Speaker 1: most noble one of his most noble moments, which was
Speaker 1: very at the time, would have been like pretty highly progressive.
Speaker 1: That's robe of the wrong word to you today you
Speaker 1: hear progressive and it brings political connotation. I just mean
Speaker 1: he was ahead of his time.
Speaker 3: It was like a civil rights move.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it would have been. And and I learned
Speaker 1: this today that there were some Native American chiefs that
Speaker 1: were communit a cat with him, like thanking him for
Speaker 1: opposing it. Really yeah, so he actually did have some
Speaker 1: connection to to that community, you know. But but that
Speaker 1: was pretty big.
Speaker 3: So one of my favorite parts just just not anything
Speaker 3: really deep, but I we got a really good chuckle
Speaker 3: out of him when he's on the campaign tour, getting
Speaker 3: up first and reciting his opponent's complete campaign speech.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, that was that was genius, absolute genius.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, I was.
Speaker 4: I was actually driving a bunch of boys to basketball
Speaker 4: practice and we were listening to this and they thought
Speaker 4: that whole section him uh knocking on the.
Speaker 5: Door with oh yeah, yeah, I mean they miss Duke.
Speaker 1: I would have thought you would have thought that was inappropriate.
Speaker 5: I did think it was inappropriate. But he didn't do anything.
Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't. You thought it was funny, didn't you.
Speaker 8: I think it's the first, it is the first farmer
Speaker 8: daughter joke in history.
Speaker 6: He did it was a comedian.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh he was, that's it. I mean, he was
Speaker 1: full of he was.
Speaker 6: Full of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he and then he he was just
Speaker 1: It's so it became so common in America for us
Speaker 1: to have like this folksy backwoods talk. Well, he was
Speaker 1: the first one to do it. Yeah, I mean, and
Speaker 1: then and you see that when Robert Morgan talked about
Speaker 1: his influence on Lincoln.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what I was going to bring up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was pretty major. And I wouldn't have necessarily
Speaker 1: made that connection.
Speaker 9: When he started laying out the connections, I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 9: I can see it real clearly.
Speaker 1: Well, it was not a template for a for a
Speaker 1: commoner backwoodsman to be able to step on the political stage.
Speaker 1: And and Lincoln, you know, Crockett dies in eighteen thirty six,
Speaker 1: and then Lincoln is you know, obviously president in the
Speaker 1: eighteen sixties, and he's an older man when he's president.
Speaker 1: So their lives I don't know when they would have
Speaker 1: overlapped some. I'm not sure when Lincoln was born. But
Speaker 1: but you see a generation of influence. It's like all
Speaker 1: of a sudden there was a space. And that's the
Speaker 1: way society and culture works, is that someone pioneers a space,
Speaker 1: like a cultural space for somebody to do something. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I didn't know that I could be a politician. Oh
Speaker 1: I didn't know that this this kind of talk and
Speaker 1: connecting to society worked. And so that's how Lincoln stood out,
Speaker 1: was that he was this he was from the frontier,
Speaker 1: and he stood out.
Speaker 5: And so anyway, eighteen nine County, Kentucky. Oh wow, so
Speaker 5: a lot.
Speaker 1: That's great, Andrew, why don't you close us down by
Speaker 1: playing the ballad of Davy Crocker. I love it, of course.
Speaker 1: Of course, I'm gonna say.
Speaker 5: You need to know that you've got perfect picture.
Speaker 8: That's that that was a mosquito or ten nights? Which
Speaker 8: one is it?
Speaker 6: In your ear?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Nights is usually an injury associated with with tennis.
Speaker 6: With tennis, Oh no, it's from fly fishing. All right,
Speaker 6: there we go.
Speaker 11: I'm born on the mountaintop Tennessee, Greenish State, in the
Speaker 11: Land of the Free, raised in the woods, so we knew.
Speaker 2: If Tree killed him a bar when he was only three.
Speaker 11: Davy Davy Cracking the Wild Frontier fots angle handed through
Speaker 11: the Indian until the creeks was with him.
Speaker 6: Peace was in store.
Speaker 2: While he was handled in this risky shore.
Speaker 1: He made himself a legend forever more.
Speaker 11: Baby Day Trucking King of the Wildfrontier.
Speaker 2: He went off to Congress service spell.
Speaker 11: Fixing up the government the laws as well. He took
Speaker 11: over Washington, so I hear tell, he patched up.
Speaker 2: The track in the Liberty Bell.
Speaker 9: Davy Dave Trocking King of the Wildfrontier.
Speaker 11: When he come home, his politicket's done, while the Western
Speaker 11: March had just be gone. So he packed his gear
Speaker 11: and his trustee gone.
Speaker 2: He led out of Grinted with the fall of the sun.
Speaker 1: Davy Day, Trucking King.
Speaker 2: Of the Wildfrontier. All right, here's the last one.
Speaker 6: Here we go.
Speaker 1: He heard Houston.
Speaker 11: And Austin's, and so to the Texas planes he had
Speaker 11: to go. The Freedom was fighting the other foe, and
Speaker 11: they needed him at the Alamo. Davy Day, the Tracking
Speaker 11: King of the wild Frontier.
Speaker 6: Shadowing in Spanish, but none of that, right.
Speaker 1: See thanks to Ton Andrew.
Speaker 2: Thanks thanks for the new rifle.
Speaker 1: I'm excited shooting and uh, I hate to move in
Speaker 1: on your scene there in Nashville and start writing.
Speaker 6: You know, a man's got to do what a man's gotta.
Speaker 9: Come on down and make hundreds of dollars, make hundreds
Speaker 9: of dollars here.
Speaker 1: Excellent. Well, we have one more episode of Crocoddle.
Speaker 5: And it's almost like its own thing. It can stand alone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, excellent, Thank you all, Thank
Speaker 1: you all so much.
Speaker 6: Everybody listen to this Country Life and thank you for
Speaker 6: the folks that are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this country Life. Ray reads, It's going well.
Speaker 8: See Friday, every Friday morning, Every Friday morning.
Speaker 1: Excellent