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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production of

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Speaker 1: the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, where

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Speaker 1: we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: of the actual bear Grease podcast. Presented by f h

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Speaker 1: F Gear, American Maid, purpose built hunting and fishing gear

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Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the place as

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Speaker 1: we explore.

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Speaker 2: On my shoulder, it's a flint lock.

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Speaker 1: Well, I would say that we have our first guests

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Speaker 1: on the Bear Grease Render or podcast that is wearing buckskins.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this has been very, very stylish, So we have

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Speaker 3: a very special guest with us today.

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Speaker 1: We have we have most of the regular crew here.

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Speaker 1: We have Misty new Comb. Let me introduce and I'll

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Speaker 1: introduce our guests. We have Misty new Coom here, we

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Speaker 1: have Josh Lambridge, everyone, Brent Breeves of this country life podcast. Yo,

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Speaker 1: who Misty. I've learned that Josh and Brent have a

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Speaker 1: secret friendship outside of the render going on. They've been

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Speaker 1: fishing together all day and.

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Speaker 3: Came and stayed with me last night.

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Speaker 4: We went and they didn't and you weren't even invited.

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Speaker 5: Even bigger deal, I wasn't.

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Speaker 3: You tell all your little secret and even made made

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Speaker 3: banana bread for us.

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Speaker 1: It was so, when's the last time me and Misty

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Speaker 1: banana bread in a while.

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Speaker 5: Actually, it takes pretty good care of me.

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Speaker 6: She's a good one.

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Speaker 1: So so we have we have the regular crew. And

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Speaker 1: I want to say to Gary Believer new Coomb has been.

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Speaker 3: God rest, he.

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Speaker 2: Is alive and well.

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Speaker 1: He is fine. Dad had he had both his knees replaced.

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Speaker 1: That's why I hadn't been You didn't know that, No,

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Speaker 1: we used to be friends before you start hanging out

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Speaker 1: with Brenton.

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Speaker 2: I knew it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Dad had both his knees replaced in early May,

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Speaker 1: and so he's been out, but he's going to come

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Speaker 1: back bigger than ever.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So that's where Dad has been. But our special guest

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Speaker 1: is Andrew Willis from Tennessee, Vegas.

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Speaker 4: Excuse me, but can Brent please give a proper intro

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Speaker 4: to Andrew.

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Speaker 7: And Andrew's wearing a very I would say, comfortable, yet

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Speaker 7: sturdy pair of lace up leather boots, some dungarees, the

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Speaker 7: folks might say.

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Speaker 8: And a very festive and fast the buckskin shirt with

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Speaker 8: tassels and fringe. Yeah, yeah, what you call them? French

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Speaker 8: like that?

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Speaker 3: Very nice overtopping, which is just his normal attire every day.

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Speaker 2: That's not untrue, as my wife.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so uh so Andrew and I we've probably known

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Speaker 1: each other for maybe a year or so. And Andrew

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Speaker 1: is the guy that recorded and helped helped me write

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Speaker 1: parts of the Ballad of Warner Glenn. Yeah, so you

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Speaker 1: can just that's true. So the story was is that

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Speaker 1: I think Andrew, you had sent an email out to

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Speaker 1: me about your brand and band called Hawking Horse and

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Speaker 1: you were coming out an albums. What was the album's name?

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Speaker 9: He was self titled Hawk and Horse was the name

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Speaker 9: of the album. And it's a project that I took

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Speaker 9: on to really kind of capture the front tier spirit

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Speaker 9: and and I had a couple of people say you

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Speaker 9: need to send that to Clay Nukelem. So I started

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Speaker 9: digging and I was like, whoa, what's a Clay Nukem. Yeah,

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Speaker 9: well I heard I heard the Daniel Boone series when

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Speaker 9: I was driving the Wisconsin during deer season, and I

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Speaker 9: was like, what this guy gets it. So that's what

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Speaker 9: I was inspired to send, you know, my album over.

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Speaker 1: Well, and so the album is it's about the American West. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you have a song Jeremiah Johnson. You have, what are

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Speaker 1: some of the other songs about.

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Speaker 9: They're about fur trappers, they're about mountain men. Very inspired

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Speaker 9: by the movie Jeremiah Johnson. Yeah, inspired by you know,

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Speaker 9: the Last of the Mohicans, but also like books and

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Speaker 9: and a famous frontiersman like Daniel Boone, Davy Crockett. I

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Speaker 9: just put out another album called Long Hunter, and it's

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Speaker 9: all inspired by the Kentucky Tennessee Frontier of the late

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Speaker 2: And you know, amazing stories from that era.

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Speaker 1: So but in Nashville, Yeah, the reason you live in

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Speaker 1: Nashville is because you're a songwriters.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, that's right.

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Speaker 1: Tell us about that. Yeah, so I had wait, let

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Speaker 1: me say, hold on, there could be a few things

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Speaker 1: that you could have been that would be more interesting

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Speaker 1: Number one, commercial fisherman on the Mississippi River.

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Speaker 3: Especially like that infatuated with it, right, that would be.

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Speaker 1: Number two, okay, just commercial fisherman, that would be the

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Speaker 1: only thing. Second on the list would be a Nashville songwriter. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so tell me, like, how do you be a n

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Speaker 1: and yeah, so I music. How much money do you have?

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Speaker 2: Not a lot worse.

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Speaker 9: I just I'm literally on the drive out here, I

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Speaker 9: I I love music. I always loved music. I grew

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Speaker 9: I picked up a guitar about fifteen and just taught

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Speaker 9: myself how to play. And my first instinct was to

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Speaker 9: write a song. I wasn't like listening to the radio

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Speaker 9: going all right, how do I play one headlight?

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Speaker 6: I was.

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Speaker 2: I was wanting to write a song.

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Speaker 9: Exposed myself, but I wanted to write songs.

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Speaker 9: And so it was around that time that my son

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Speaker 9: And I was like, I'm going to have to stay

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Speaker 9: So I was like, I guess I'm going to start

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Speaker 9: doing this songwriting thing, because I was I had been

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Speaker 9: in the outdoor industry before. I worked within the backpacking industry,

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Speaker 9: And then I got a co write with Andy Griggs,

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Speaker 9: a he's a riot. I mean, he is hilarious. But

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Speaker 9: I got my first radio single with him, and it

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Speaker 1: He tell us the song do you oh yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's called kind of like asking a cattle farmer

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Speaker 3: You?

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Speaker 1: Hear? I got a natural songwriter. Go, yeah, I had

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Speaker 1: a song on the radio, and you go, what was it?

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Speaker 1: And then he's like, yeah, yeah, you know you may

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Speaker 9: We're like, oh, okay, okay, yeah, no, this is a

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Speaker 9: song you've probably never heard of.

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Speaker 2: But it's called Can't I Get An Amen?

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Speaker 9: And he he put that out and it was you know,

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Speaker 9: and I made hundreds of dollars.

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Speaker 2: It was amazing.

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Speaker 9: But but I got I got hooked. I got hooked.

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Speaker 9: And so not long after that, I my wife's job.

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Speaker 9: She was kind of getting over it, and I was like,

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Speaker 9: southeast Ohio at the time and backpacking Mecca yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, backpack and turkey poaching Mecca y yeah.

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Speaker 9: Actually on that that that podcast about the turkey poaching

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Speaker 2: The side of my house.

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Speaker 1: Are you serious?

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Speaker 9: Oh yeah, same area, Pat, Yeah, yeah, but uh we

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Speaker 9: So we moved down and I had already built.

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Speaker 1: So your your wife had a job where she could

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Speaker 1: can move to Nashville. Yeah, You're like, I'm a famous songwriter,

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Speaker 1: now this sounds like something I would do totally.

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Speaker 5: I'm just thinking about your wife must just be a person.

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Speaker 2: She's a lot better than me.

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Speaker 9: But she was extremely supportive and so we were like,

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Speaker 9: to learn. And I'm very very blessed. I had some

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Speaker 9: like incredible mentors who wrote some incredible songs.

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Speaker 2: And name drop, we want to hear him, Okay.

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Speaker 9: One of my favorite mentors early on was Craig Bickheart,

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Speaker 9: who he had some some hits back in the eighties,

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Speaker 9: like in between Dances for who was that.

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Speaker 5: Okay, and then we're back to mister era.

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Speaker 9: But then he was part of a band called s

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Speaker 9: fantastic songwriter and I learned a whole lot from him.

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Speaker 9: But then Rivers Rutherford, who is a legend. I mean

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Speaker 9: he he wrote like when I get where I'm going,

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Speaker 9: he wrote, you know, huge Brooks and Dune songs. I

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Speaker 9: can't remember everybody else's songs, but I could barely my own.

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Speaker 5: A real good Man.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you're done, Yes, Tim girrawl, Real good Man.

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Speaker 1: So when you're a songwriter, yeah, okay, describe to me. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so your family's moved to Nashville and you're being mentored

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Speaker 1: and you're you're actually in that world. Yeah, get getting

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Speaker 1: paid to write songs. Tell me how the song world works,

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Speaker 1: because now you're because you're hawking Horse is kind of

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Speaker 1: like this personal thing that you do. Correct Your songwriting

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Speaker 1: is much different than that because you're writing stuff not

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Speaker 1: about frontiersman. You're like working, and I guess the goal

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Speaker 1: would be to write some number one song that's on

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Speaker 1: the radio, exactly right, I mean that's the goal of it,

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Speaker 1: I guess every songwriter.

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Speaker 2: In twenty fifteen, I signed with Sony and my calendar

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Speaker 9: Every day, you know what publishing company who I was

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Speaker 1: I am taking note of all this because I have

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Speaker 2: Right absolutely. I mean technically you're in.

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Speaker 6: Did you notice that Missy said? Are you will?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean there's yeah.

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Speaker 6: It's not really sad.

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Speaker 4: He's been a good friend right through it all. If

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Speaker 5: Are going to be alive when I come home. Reverse

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Speaker 4: But anyway, I just am curious how that one came about.

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Speaker 8: When you would have liked that old Tom T Howst

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Speaker 6: You never heard that? How it go?

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Speaker 1: How's it go?

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Speaker 8: It's about I'm trying to remember the the the way

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Speaker 1: If you could sing, you would probably have like the ultimate.

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Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I mean you you know.

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Speaker 5: Are we assuming that? Brent Canton?

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Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Brent Cantson, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't believe.

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Speaker 1: So now your beat? You're you're living in Nashville. Do

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Speaker 2: You kind of do?

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Speaker 3: Okay, asking for a friend, you kind of do.

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Speaker 1: I tried for a while not to live there.

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Speaker 9: Okay, but you can't. You can't avoid it. You gotta

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Speaker 1: Way collaboration and creativity really flows when you're like I

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Speaker 9: One of my first champions in that town, Alex Torres,

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Speaker 9: And and that hit me.

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Speaker 1: I was like, pack the bags. Conviction.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, so.

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Speaker 1: Is it true. Okay, maybe maybe I heard I don't

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Speaker 2: I would say that's very active.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's like a it's like a mecca for

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 10: Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely, And it kind of makes it

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Speaker 10: a if you're like Chris Stapleton or whoever, it kind

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Speaker 10: because everybody's trying to sneak a CD and your sandwich

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Speaker 1: Stapleton was that guy, Absolutely that he was. Man, it's

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Speaker 1: like the lottery, like you know the lottery. Absolutely, they

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Speaker 1: next time.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know who's controlling this, but uh sounds like

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Speaker 1: a rigged system.

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Speaker 2: The best analysis is.

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Speaker 9: It's kind of like baseball, and there's like the minor leagues,

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Speaker 1: Is it always the best guy for real?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's tons of ridiculously talented people out there who

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well sounds it like a coon hunt, Brent.

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Speaker 6: The best dog don't always win. It's the guy that

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Speaker 1: Rules mm hmm, or gets lucky.

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Speaker 5: Will didn't win. Willie Nelson couldn't make it in Nashville.

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Speaker 1: Home he went. He went down to Texas and became

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Speaker 3: He's true.

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Speaker 2: He wrote crazy.

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Speaker 9: He wrote crazy like a mile from my house in

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Speaker 9: he he gave up and headed down there and became.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Willy, he did all right, the beheaded Stranger.

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Speaker 1: So I won't put these words in your mouth, but

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Speaker 1: you were, like, all write songs every single day?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 2: Is that true?

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Speaker 6: So?

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Speaker 1: I mean you just like like you just.

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Speaker 3: Crank them out. Are you talking about lyrics and music?

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Speaker 6: Which comes first?

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Speaker 9: It depends on the day really for me, For me,

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Speaker 9: It's a it's a song town, and so historically.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's more of a like to me, La is

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Speaker 1: Like it's I do best.

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Speaker 9: You never struggle with words, So Nashville is your town. Okay, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 9: it's to me, lyrics are usually first because it's the idea.

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Speaker 9: But every once in a while somebody comes in with

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Speaker 6: Something like that.

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Speaker 2: So sometimes it's the other way.

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Speaker 8: But I'll tell you what gets me about lyrics. You

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Speaker 8: Listen to songs in English rhyme versus a rhyme. Listen

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Speaker 6: I can't find anything.

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Speaker 1: You have you explored this a lot? I have asked

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Speaker 5: Let's just go Selena's bitty bitty bumba.

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Speaker 6: I don't know about that at all. Bumba.

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Speaker 1: We may have gotten off track.

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Speaker 2: How many songwriters do we get in here?

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Speaker 6: We've had you.

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Speaker 1: Have one in your presence all the time.

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Speaker 6: Okay, how many real songwriters do we have? Every time?

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Speaker 1: Original songs? Somebody?

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Speaker 6: Have you made? Have you made dolls?

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Speaker 3: It's like a form letter, the ballad of filling the plank?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Josh about this?

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Speaker 6: It works?

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Speaker 3: How many fans written that? A start off with the

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Speaker 6: Andrew?

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Speaker 2: Definitely over a thousand? Wow, Lord, probably fourteen?

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Speaker 5: You write every day? You're writing a song every day? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Do you have like a goal, like I'm going to

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Speaker 9: I yeah, I almost always, Like I usually get five

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Speaker 1: Really, yeah, a contract with somebody to do that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I have been.

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Speaker 9: I'm I've written for three different companies and it's and

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Speaker 9: it's funny because they're the contract says you need to

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Speaker 9: turn in twelve one hundred percent songs or thirty six

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Speaker 2: But if you're only doing that, you're not in the game.

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Speaker 9: So really, everybody's just writing four or five days a week,

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Speaker 1: And so you write a bunch of songs that never

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Speaker 1: see the light of day anywhere. Absolutely, So it's just

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Speaker 1: speculating here, but you're not necessarily trying. You're not trying

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Speaker 2: I am not.

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Speaker 1: You would be if they asked you, But that's not

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Speaker 1: like the that's you're a songwriter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah I am. That's what I'm passionate about.

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Speaker 6: It is the writing.

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Speaker 2: And uh.

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Speaker 1: And so a home run for you would be for

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Speaker 1: of your songs and be like I want to record that, absolutely,

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00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: and that would be like massive.

450
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 5: That might actually be like a world series.

451
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 2: That would be the worst.

452
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that would be the world series right absolutely?

453
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I Uh, it's funny.

454
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 9: It's I was telling somebody the other day, you write,

455
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 9: say you write a thousand songs, five songs will make

456
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 9: you ninety nine percent of your money you make in

457
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 9: your whole career like woa.

458
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: Wow, it's so that's like gold mining.

459
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is kind of prospective.

460
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 3: Is that the law of averages? Like if I write

461
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 3: enough songs, surely one of them is gonna be a hit.

462
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 6: Yeah.

463
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 9: And that's the funny thing is just because those other

464
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 9: nine hundred and ninety five make sure I'm doing my

465
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 9: math right.

466
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 2: Songs, that doesn't mean they're not hits. That's what's funny.

467
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 6: They just didn't get the shot.

468
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 9: Yeah, or they haven't got There's just a lot of

469
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 9: songs in that town.

470
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 2: And then there's back catalog.

471
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Speaker 9: I mean, for goodness sakes, if you're like say Jason

472
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 9: Aldean and you're looking for songs, yeah, you're looking at

473
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 9: new stuff. But what if there's like this old Whalen

474
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 9: song that was never cut?

475
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, well that would be pretty cool.

476
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 9: So there's there's literally decades of back catalog in that

477
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 9: town that are amazing. Tom t Hall songs or Don Williams,

478
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 9: it's amazing.

479
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 4: Who has access to the hook book? I'd kind of

480
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 4: like to hear about the other side of it. So

481
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 4: you're supplying who where does the demand come from?

482
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 6: Well? The artist?

483
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 9: So who like say it's like Monday, and I look

484
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 9: at my calendar and it's like, all right, I am

485
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 9: writing with this artist. Say, I'm like my buddy Tristan Morez.

486
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 9: He's a Texas country artist, and I'm like, okay, he

487
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 9: usually writes.

488
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 2: This kind of stuff.

489
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 9: So I'll I'll be thinking, oh, what, what's a good

490
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 9: idea for Tristan? Because I have him coming up on

491
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 9: my books next week. So then we'll go in and

492
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 9: I'll throw out some ideas and he might have one.

493
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 9: The dream is for the artist to walk in with

494
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 9: an idea, because you know they're already into it, right,

495
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 9: So as a songwriter, you're like, please let them be

496
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 9: excited about something. So because now otherwise I got to

497
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 9: sell an idea that I have and just hope it

498
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 9: connects with them.

499
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: So well, I want to hear you play the Ballad

500
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: of Warner Glenn. Yeah, man, so this song. So we

501
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: didn't really finish our full introduction, but Andrew wrote me

502
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: about this out Hawking Horse album that was coming out

503
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 1: about the Frontiersman in the West, the Fur Trappers, and

504
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: he seemed like a cool guy, and that's right when

505
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: I had had this Ballad of Warner Glenn, like mostly finished,

506
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: but I said, hey, would you take this song and

507
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 1: do whatever you want to it, but record it for

508
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: me professionally? And he was like absolutely, And it just

509
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: felt like it was right up his alley to do it.

510
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: And uh and and and he helped me become a

511
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: registered songwriter. Well what organization, Uh, you're with ascap ass

512
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: cap Yeah, yep, yep, it's official all right. So if

513
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: for people who haven't maybe maybe hadn't been following along,

514
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: We did a big series on Warner Glenn. Warner Glenn

515
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: is now eighty seven years old. He lives in Southeast Arizona.

516
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: We did a video project with Warner. He's an incredible

517
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: man and I've spent some time with him on a

518
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: couple different trips. And came back from Southeast Arizona and

519
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 1: was inspired to write a ballad about Warner Glenn. And

520
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 1: then it turned over to Andrew and and he helped

521
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 1: me with some of the some of the lyrics and

522
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: the chorus mainly, and put just put some magic on it.

523
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: So sing it for us, man, I.

524
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 9: Didn't have to change too much. The lyrics were pretty fantastic.

525
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were pretty fantastic. Andrews said, you should see

526
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: him have a bulldozer.

527
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 2: Way down south on the border of.

528
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 11: Mexico with rattlesnakes, cactus and bandiedos, dirt and spurs, Feed

529
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 11: the hounds and let.

530
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 6: Them go.

531
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 11: As a boy Marvin Toddham with big charms, rude and

532
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 11: open country where the jaguars wrong, Open country full of

533
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 11: a different kind of gold.

534
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 2: Sixteen hand mules saddled up to four. The song glows.

535
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 11: Nobody told them this wretched life is a hard road,

536
00:29:55,640 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 11: hiding rising sun behind the cheery cow was O.

537
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 2: He's mounted in mood and for an all.

538
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 11: Their mule backstroke in open country where the jaguars rong,

539
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 11: open country full of a different kind of gold. The

540
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 11: lion track in the dirt seven miles in. But where'd

541
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 11: he go? Got a pack of wide walkers that are

542
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 11: philosopher's like through working cross the dirt like the farm

543
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 11: and works his rose up the canyon around the rock.

544
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: Chasing the ghost of a shadow.

545
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 11: Through open country where the jaguars rong, open country full

546
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 11: of a different kind of gold.

547
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 2: Open country will be lost.

548
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 11: No one knows, but this ould countries where the jiguire

549
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:13,719
Speaker 11: roams the lonely catch him if he crosses the plateau,

550
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 11: chasing him over the rim rocks and old hook basing man.

551
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 11: Hope it's no lion. He seeks a little wildness. You

552
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 11: can control who I'm talking about.

553
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 2: It's Worn and Glen and it's mum chummo.

554
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 6: Exce e.

555
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 8: Oh man, man, Yeah, how did that feel here just

556
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 8: watching him?

557
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: That's really cool? Yeah, really cool man. That sounds good.

558
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 3: Thanks guys.

559
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 5: He's really good.

560
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So that song, if somebody didn't have any context,

561
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: it possibly could be confusing. Warner Glenn is a mountain lion,

562
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: dry ground mountain lion hunter, and that's why there's you know,

563
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: there's if you If you know about Warner Glenn, this

564
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: song makes a lot of sense. Marvin is his dad,

565
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: who's long passed away. But Marvin todt him where the

566
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: big Tom's rove. That's in the beginning. He lives in

567
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: the Chirikawa Mountains. Warner Glenn owns I'm pretty sure seventeen mules,

568
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: and hardly one of them is under sixteen hands tall,

569
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: which is really tall for a mule. Warner Glenn's sixty six.

570
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: He needs a big muley.

571
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 6: He uh he.

572
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: He runs a pack of mixed walker dogs and my

573
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: favorite line in there is He's got a pack of

574
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: white walkers that are philosophers like throw because these dogs

575
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: are at the pinnacle of the hound hunting world for

576
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: their ability to trail game, because it's the toughest conditions

577
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: there is for trailing game, which is dry and hot,

578
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: and so they're chasing the ghost of a shadow, which

579
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: is cool. And then so the chorus talks about jaguars though,

580
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: and that part of the world is the only place

581
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: in America where the range of the jaguar goes into America.

582
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: And if you watched our film on the Media YouTube channel,

583
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: you would see that Warner Glenn was the first person

584
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: to ever document a live jaguar in America his dogs,

585
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: and I believe it was nineteen ninety six, and then

586
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: he did it again in the two thousands. He was

587
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: lying hunting for mountain lions, which are a lot of

588
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: mountain lions out there, and his dogs bade what he

589
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: thought was a mountain lion, and he goes into the

590
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: dogs and it's a jaguar, and he has this camera

591
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: with him and he takes a photograph and it's the

592
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: first photograph ever of a jaguar not dead. Now there's

593
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: a bunch of old photos of dead jaguars. The first

594
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: first time they're like, yep, there's a live jaguar. And

595
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: it was before trail cameras were real prominent and such,

596
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: and yeah, there's a painting right there. You can buy

597
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: that painting. I'm pretty sure the last name of that

598
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: painter is McWilliams. But this I've got, I've got the

599
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: jaguar that de las Delos.

600
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 5: That's what it says on the paint, not McWilliams, yea

601
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 5: delos And you.

602
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 3: Can he's that's the guy you both paint from.

603
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, McWilliams paint yeah, down in southeast Arizona. But so

604
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: when you're in that country, though, it's it's like jaguar country,

605
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: and that's kind of the lore. And Warner Glenn's eighty

606
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,479
Speaker 1: seven and he's seen two, you know, and most people

607
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: have lived there their whole lives and seen zero. His

608
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 1: dad always wanted to see a jaguar and never did.

609
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: His dad, Marvin, never cause a jaguar. Oh yeah, that's

610
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: incredibly rare. And so that's why the chorus talks about jaguars.

611
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: But the but the main thing is is, uh is

612
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: there They're lion hunting, and then he had a mule.

613
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: I had to pick a mule name because he in

614
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: his book, Warner Glenn has a book, and in his book, Uh,

615
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,439
Speaker 1: he was given a mule name Muchomo from a rich,

616
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: wealthy Mexican rancher who he and his dad went down

617
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: into Mexico to catch lions off this ranch that were

618
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: pread that, you know, catching cattle and horse cults and stuff.

619
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 1: And the man liked Warner so much that he gave

620
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: him his finest Well, as the story went, I'm pretty

621
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: sure this. This wealthy rancher said, Warner, you can have

622
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: any one of my horses that you want, some version

623
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: of he's. He offered him a horse, and Warner said,

624
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: you know what, I really don't want any of your horses,

625
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: but I'd like that mule, Machomo. And so the rancher

626
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: was like, really you want the mule. B So so

627
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: Warner took Mochomo and he became this like incredible mule.

628
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: And so that's why I love Warner Glenn. He chose

629
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: the mule over the horse.

630
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 6: How about Banjo?

631
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: What's that?

632
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 6: How about Benjo? Dude?

633
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: We'll not even go there. Okay, it's not time to

634
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: release the information. Let me tell you this, I've been

635
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: riding banjo all over these mountains for the last week.

636
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 3: It's true, and got the offers of ten grand.

637
00:36:55,320 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: Oh next year, should I just be desirous of ling him?

638
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: He'll be worth ten grand. He's a fantastic mule. He's

639
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: beautiful and he's doing very good. I might even lik

640
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: him better than is.

641
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,919
Speaker 6: He Come on out there say that.

642
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's kind of a piece of work.

643
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,720
Speaker 5: But anyway, he's the pain.

644
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: That was cool Andrew? So people, where can people find

645
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: that song?

646
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 6: Oh?

647
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 9: You can find it anywhere you stream music, Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon.

648
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: Add it to your playlist. Yeah, guess guess who gets

649
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: Guess who gets the money? Me and Andrew There.

650
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 3: All right, maybe we may may hundreds of the I

651
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 3: will quit.

652
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 6: Everybody. Everybody media downloaded music, download, download.

653
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 5: All the time, and I've not seen a paycheck yet.

654
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:01,959
Speaker 5: Tell me not my choice either.

655
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 3: In the car, it's the only song you've got on

656
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 3: his playlist.

657
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,720
Speaker 4: Repeat when mess with that playlist because that comes on first.

658
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 3: It's like, all.

659
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: Right, well, no, for real, you need to go check

660
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: out Hawking Horse. Yeah, Hawking Horse, you have a lot

661
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: of songs. Yeah, My favorite one is Jeremiah Johnson. I think,

662
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I love that Yeah, yeah.

663
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that song too.

664
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 6: I can watch that movie every day and I listen

665
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 6: to that song a bunch of times. It's good. Yeah.

666
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I've never seen it.

667
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Speaker 6: Something you just don't tell.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I should have kept that to yourself. Well that's incredible. Well, hey,

669
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Speaker 1: but the reason.

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Speaker 3: Before we get into the can he tell us about

671
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 3: this rifle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, quickly, because we we've got, we've got there's just

673
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Speaker 1: got a lot to do. A beautiful Yeah, tell us

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Speaker 1: about the rifle.

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Speaker 9: Well, this is a forty five caliber Kibbler woods Runner,

676
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 9: and it's there. Jim Kibler is a gun builder out

677
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 9: of Ohio, and he makes these C and C rifle

678
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 9: kits and they go together like legos. I mean, this

679
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 9: is I'm not some amazing woodworker, I you know, I

680
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 9: just put this together. But anyway, this is my new

681
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Speaker 9: baby and I plan on taking a deer with it

682
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Speaker 9: this year.

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Speaker 1: It's a it's a flint lock.

684
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a flint lock.

685
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: So it actually has a rock, a piece of flint

686
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: YEP makes the spark that ignites the powder.

687
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 2: YEP, black powder only wow.

688
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Speaker 1: And it's a would you describe that as a Kentucky

689
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: long rifle style gun?

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00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 2: Absolutely it Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is called.

691
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 9: A woods runner, so it's a little more nimble for

692
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Speaker 9: running through the woods.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's a beautiful gun.

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00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 9: But yeah, it's a Pennsylvania, Kentucky long rifle either one

695
00:39:58,280 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 9: of those names.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well so. So on Instagram, Andrew is Hawking Horse and

698
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: he posts it's kind of like an educational in a

699
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: way channel about the frontier. Like he posts a lot

700
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: of art and a lot of pictures and he'll have

701
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: information about I mean, like I learned stuff following Talking

702
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: Horse on Instagram. Yeah a lot. So, but that's why

703
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: he's kind of big into the flint lock and all

704
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: this stuff.

705
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Speaker 5: It's actually Hawking horse Band. Some Hawking horse band.

706
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Speaker 1: Yeah, check it out. Check it out. So the reason

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Speaker 1: I wanted to have Andrew here today was because we're

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Speaker 1: talking about Davy Crockett and uh, if you're if you're

709
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Speaker 1: new to the podcast. On the Render, we talk about

710
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Speaker 1: out what happened the week before on the actual Bear

711
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Speaker 1: Grease podcast And guys, guess what. You're all in trouble

712
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: because we have another quiz. I we have another quiz

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Speaker 1: a row the yeah, the last the last quiz seemed

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Speaker 1: to do it was. I felt like that it helped

715
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Speaker 1: me get some energy gain control of my podcast again

716
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: because I then know if you guys are paying attention,

717
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: because sometimes I'm like, was the podcast last week? And

718
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Speaker 1: they are like, oh, it was great, and I'm like,

719
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Speaker 1: what was it about? Pop quiz?

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Speaker 8: It's what happened on the way home from fishing this

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Speaker 8: morning to day Me and Josh had you on it.

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Speaker 8: What was that one?

723
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Speaker 5: Oh?

724
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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, y'all were studying.

725
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Speaker 8: You were spitting out some info Jack like drinking from

726
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Speaker 8: a firehood from my ears.

727
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Speaker 1: Okay, here we go. The first person to answer, just

728
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: blurt it out, blurted out. Even you can even cut

729
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Speaker 1: the cut the question in half. Each correct answer gets

730
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Speaker 1: a point. Incorrect answer are minus point five. Incorrect answers

731
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Speaker 1: get that point. Who wins gets the rifle?

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Speaker 8: All right, here we go.

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Speaker 1: Question number one, how quickly did Crockett married Elizabeth under

734
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Speaker 1: after Polly his first wife? Three months? Goes to Josh.

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Speaker 1: I feel like this quiz, that's where we could have.

736
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Speaker 5: Unfortunately favors the impulsive.

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Speaker 1: The impulsive are going to get minus points if they

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Speaker 1: get it one of.

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Speaker 3: The one of the beatitudes blessed.

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Speaker 6: Quiz.

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Speaker 1: I think that was on there, Josh.

742
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Speaker 2: Remember that.

743
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Speaker 6: That was.

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00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: Okay, So that was the way the podcast started off,

745
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: was talking about his wife dying. Yeah, it was, it was,

746
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: and then he within three months married. We don't know

747
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 1: the exact date that Polly died. I don't think that's

748
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: like in the record. Well, it wasn't in the books

749
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: that I read. It probably is on a headstone somewhere.

750
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Speaker 1: We don't know exactly when she died the day she died,

751
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Speaker 1: but we do know that he got married on the

752
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Speaker 1: March fifteenth.

753
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Speaker 6: What was December the fourteenth? What was that?

754
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Speaker 5: Could be a question on the quiz.

755
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Speaker 6: Well, that's my answer right now.

756
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Speaker 1: There's nothing. Nothing happened on December fourteenth, of note in

757
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: the last two hundred years. But it was very pragmatic,

758
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: and that's where we went, and that's when Robert Morgan

759
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Speaker 1: brought up this idea of pragmatism being of value. The

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Speaker 1: American Front.

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Speaker 3: June the eleventh, eighteen fifteen.

762
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Speaker 1: Polydid negative, that's what it says. Okay, Well, then Crockett

763
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Speaker 1: married Elizabeth two months before that. We've got a major scan.

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Speaker 6: Oh, bump, bump, bum.

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Speaker 3: I still got my point.

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Speaker 1: You still get your point. We're gonna have to get

767
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Speaker 1: to the bottom of this. Let's let's not do that now.

768
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Speaker 3: We're going to have another episode now, folks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, But the pragmatism, mister, you were going to

770
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Speaker 1: say something about pragmatism.

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Speaker 6: I want to say something.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, let me talk.

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Speaker 4: No, it's all right, you go ahead. I'm trying to

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Speaker 4: remember what I was going to say about pragmatism.

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Speaker 8: I'll tell you what I was going to say about it,

776
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 8: because I want to say something about it too. I

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Speaker 8: counted eight times it was used in one paragraph, pragmatism, pragmatic,

778
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Speaker 8: it's very pragmatic, fantastic. It was used eight times. I

779
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 8: counted on while we was driving down the road. I

780
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Speaker 8: was hoping that was going to be a test question.

781
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Speaker 8: But that's all I had to say about it.

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Speaker 1: That's all so used it. I thought it was I

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Speaker 1: thought it was good that it was u It came

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Speaker 1: up over and over, it came okay, question.

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Speaker 2: But what I.

786
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Speaker 4: Thought, you know, Robert Morgan was talking about how a

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Speaker 4: lot of there was a lot of idealism though in

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Speaker 4: the South, and that I'm trying to remember, was he

789
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Speaker 4: saying idealism was an American It is because you said

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Speaker 4: it's unique. He said, it's not unique, but it is American.

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Speaker 1: Right well. He but then he contrasted the North and

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Speaker 1: the South and the in the Civil War, and he

793
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: talked about how the South was was that was part

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Speaker 1: of the reason some believe they lost the war was

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Speaker 1: they were they were more idealistic, less pragmatic, and so

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Speaker 1: the South would have been kind of excluded from the

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Speaker 1: pragmatic American thinking that that was what he was saying.

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Speaker 9: So I like that quote he said when you guys

799
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Speaker 9: were talking, Robert Morgan said something of the fact of

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Speaker 9: nothing is the end of the world.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, America that I actually have that quote written.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that hit home. I was like, oh yeah, yeah,

803
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 2: that's an American way right there.

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00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the idea that the actual geographic size of

805
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: America gave us so much opportunity, and then that became

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00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: part of the national character was opportunity. And it all

807
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: goes back to land, which in human history it almost

808
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 1: always goes back to land, and like who's got the land?

809
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: And do you own it? That's that's like the story.

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Speaker 1: I mean, even all the way back to the garden

811
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Speaker 1: of Eden and Adam and Eve, the land and the people.

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Speaker 1: And in America, coming from this really overcrowded Europe that

813
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: was settled from shore to shore for the most part,

814
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Speaker 1: they came to this huge place that which in the

815
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Speaker 1: America an ideal was a wilderness. But my friend Taylor

816
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Speaker 1: Keene a couple of years ago, he was the first

817
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: one I remember saying it to me. He said, the

818
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Speaker 1: idea that America was a wilderness is a farce. It wasn't.

819
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Speaker 1: It was a It was a robust civilization. But to

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00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: the European it looked like wilderness. To the Native Americans,

821
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Speaker 1: it looked like a great civilization, you know. And so

822
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: that's a whole nother story. But basically we came in

823
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Speaker 1: and had all this room to grow, room to mess up,

824
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: room to become wealthy. And so I mean, it's it's

825
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 1: really a part of the American story is the land

826
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Speaker 1: which is wild and and and the more I dig

827
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Speaker 1: into American history, the more I realized how wild it is.

828
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Speaker 1: That there's not like five countries inside of what is

829
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Speaker 1: now the continental US. It totally would have made sense.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's what the South tried to do with

831
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Speaker 1: the Civil War was to make their own country. I mean,

832
00:47:56,160 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: and it's a wonder there wasn't you know of Spanish.

833
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: I mean that they're just it was so broken up,

834
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: so many people had stakes in it. And the fact

835
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Speaker 1: that it became from Atlantic to Pacific the same nation

836
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Speaker 1: is wild.

837
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Speaker 6: Well, this one big hunker ground. It is three countries.

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Speaker 1: And that's why I said, you know what is now

839
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Speaker 1: the continental US right right right?

840
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Speaker 4: It is part of the challenge that I think America

841
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 4: is facing right now is all of these you know

842
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 4: that it's not just geographic spread, but the diversity of

843
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 4: ideas and the diversity of and one of the one

844
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Speaker 4: of the challenges that we give our students every year

845
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 4: in one of our classes is to you know, think

846
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 4: about the US in terms of different countries and how

847
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 4: would you how would you put it together? And some

848
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 4: people do it just by geography, but a lot of

849
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 4: the students say, well, it's more about ideals, and they

850
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 4: try to group people by ideals. And our school is

851
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 4: is has a hybrid been to it, and so kids

852
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 4: are actually coming from all over the US and and

853
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 4: and there's there is like a there was a big

854
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 4: famous article about ten years ago the nine Nations of

855
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 4: North America, and it's it's challenging because it's not geographically split.

856
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 4: It's it's really more split off of a set of ideals.

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00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, interesting, very interesting. Okay, Question number two, what topic

858
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 1: did host Clay Nukeom ask the render members.

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Speaker 2: To Alabama and.

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00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: The point Andrew Will Yes. Okay, so there's only so

861
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: much you can talk about. Crockett goes down to Alabama.

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00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: He's married to Elizabeth. He goes down to Alabama and

863
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: he gets incredibly sick. He's traveling with two guys, just Tennesseeans,

864
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 1: and he gets so sick, probably malaria, and they think

865
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Speaker 1: he's dead. And now it would be interesting to get

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Speaker 1: the real story of, like how do you think a

867
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Speaker 1: guy's dead to the point that he's alive when you

868
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Speaker 1: leave him that you're leaving it. I mean, it's almost

869
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: like two of some of your best friends going fishing

870
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Speaker 1: without you and not even telling you that they went.

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Speaker 4: So especially when your life goal is to be a

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Speaker 4: commercial fisherman.

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Speaker 1: These guys that are like his neighbors and such take

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Speaker 1: his horse back to Elizabeth and it is like Crockett

875
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: and I don't think it was scandalous there was no

876
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,439
Speaker 1: talk of like they were shysters because they they took

877
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: his horse back, and so I don't know if I

878
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: don't know what circumstances drove them to not nurse him

879
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: or take him. We don't really know, because he just

880
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: talks about in his autobiography. And so takes the horseback

881
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: to the wife and says he gone, and and she goes,

882
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: I don't think he's dead, and perhaps they told her

883
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: we think he's dead, Like when we left him, he

884
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:19,720
Speaker 1: was really sick. And basically he tries to walk home

885
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 1: and he's on the side of the road in Alabama,

886
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: and two Indians come by and they take him when

887
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:33,479
Speaker 1: he's dying after these guys left him, and they take

888
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: him to the nearest home of a white person and

889
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: just this random house, and these Native Americans drop crocodilef

890
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: and they say, here's a dude.

891
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 6: Some I broke you white man.

892
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, to come up with a pack.

893
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 5: Here, guys, if you are ever out in the hunting with.

894
00:51:55,160 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 4: His clay, get back, all right, you'd like to go

895
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 4: ahead and at that body back just so that we

896
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 4: can confirm any sense of uncertainty about it and bring

897
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 4: them back breathing.

898
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 6: I don't know.

899
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 1: Crockett goes into this house and they give him they

900
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,240
Speaker 1: have some kind of bottle of medicine and there's a name.

901
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 3: For some some incredibly powerful elixir.

902
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they give him like the whole bottle and

903
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: he's supposed to just take a little bit of it,

904
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: and he stays unconscious for five days. He's unconscious for

905
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 1: five days.

906
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, opium, that's it.

907
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's like taking some some hydrocodone.

908
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:53,439
Speaker 1: That's exactly what it was. And then and and he's

909
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: unconscious for five days and then finally like comes awake,

910
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 1: stays with him for two weeks, and then goes back

911
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: to Elizabeth, and she had already sent a guy out

912
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: to go check on him. So when he's coming back,

913
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: the guy's going out and she's like, you're alive. But

914
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting talking about how common that

915
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,720
Speaker 1: that was back in those days for people to.

916
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,879
Speaker 5: Just think leave the human, bring the horse home.

917
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, just for people to think someone was dead because

918
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: there was just no communication and it was just so

919
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: common for people to die. And so, I mean that

920
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: happened so many times. It happened with Boone, and it

921
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:40,240
Speaker 1: happened all over and the idea that thinking someone's dead

922
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: and them not being dead and showing back up. Can

923
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 1: you think of a more a scenario with the possibility

924
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: for a more strong human response? Right, yeah, to just

925
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I like, somebody could die and you get

926
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: like an emotional responds of oh he's dead. Someone could

927
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,919
Speaker 1: get lost. You know they're alive, but they're found. It's like, well,

928
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: we never thought he was dead. He was just gone

929
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 1: for a while. Somebody dies, it's like game over the

930
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 1: lowest the lowest to the highest of highs like that,

931
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: they come back.

932
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, you can probably write a song about that.

933
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably you should think about.

934
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 6: Right now.

935
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: But then and then even taking that back to the

936
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 1: pinnacle of the Christian faith, which is Jesus died three

937
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: days later, came back.

938
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 6: He did. He did.

939
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: It wasn't fake. And so that's just interesting. It was

940
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: interesting to me. So thank you for reminding me. That

941
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: was Andrew, Thank you for reminding me. The score is

942
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:53,800
Speaker 1: one Andrew one, Josh Billmaker want him Brent zero, Misty zero.

943
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 4: I would like to get a half a point because

944
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 4: Andrews said at Alabama, but I said near death.

945
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 5: Experience.

946
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,959
Speaker 1: He said it quicker. Okay, we're moving on question number

947
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: three in Crockett's let's see, Okay, in Crockett's first term

948
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: in office, what nickname did he pick up that he.

949
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 6: From?

950
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 1: Remember that you picked it right, You picked his pocket

951
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: gentleman from the cape.

952
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 2: Over here, like the dude from the cane.

953
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: Gentleman from the cane.

954
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 6: So that was.

955
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: One Josh one brand zero. That was a I thought

956
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: that was.

957
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:40,959
Speaker 6: A cool story.

958
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 1: And it was the it became. It was early in

959
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: his life, he was young, it was his first time

960
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 1: in public office. This guy really literally came off the

961
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 1: American frontier all of a sudden, has put in this

962
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: place of proper men inside of a political system that's still,

963
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: even though it's on the American frontier, is quite aristocratic.

964
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: I mean, we like to think, and this is where

965
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: Crockett's influence in America is seen so strong, is that

966
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: all these Europeans came from Europe. And I mean, what

967
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: do you think when you see a picture of George

968
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: Washington and Benjamin Franklin, they look like Europeans. Yeah, I

969
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 1: mean they're wearing they're wearing the European clothes. They got

970
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: the European hairstyles. They they were breaking away from that,

971
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 1: and their ideals were very different. But still there was

972
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 1: a big tinge of kind of this aristocracy and the

973
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: rich folks lead, and there was the common man that

974
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: would never have the ability to make this jump. And

975
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,280
Speaker 1: if you were in a landowner, you didn't have any power.

976
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: And so Crockett coming from the frontier, and remember he's

977
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: the first one, really and he's standing up before the

978
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: Tennessee State Legislature, and this old guy who we don't

979
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: even know his name anymore, he he is is enforcing,

980
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 1: reinforcing to the world that this commoner shouldn't be here.

981
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: So I mean, it's really it's really showing the ideals

982
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: of Europe. And he says the Gentleman from the Cane,

983
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 1: totally belittling him the cane. It would be like saying

984
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 1: the hicks from the sticks. These guys. Crockett comes back

985
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: the next day wearing, as a joke, a rough and

986
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: stands up and introduces himself as the Gentleman from the Cane.

987
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: Charms the whole place. Makes this guy look like an idiot,

988
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: and for the rest of his life he was. He

989
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: called himself the Gentleman from the Cane now that he

990
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: was playing chess well then boys was playing. Yeah, I

991
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 1: thought that was cool. Okay, final question, it's a tie,

992
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 1: it's a words. Did David Crockett have his portrait artist

993
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: John Gatsby Chadman.

994
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 2: Go ahead, go ahead.

995
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 1: Of his gun? Andrew come you when a Kentucky.

996
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 12: I was, I'm relieved I.

997
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: Just got that go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. So

998
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 1: that was yeah, that was Crockett's. That was Crockett's. Uh,

999
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: that was his just what he what he said, and

1000
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 1: he wanted that written on the written on his gun.

1001
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: What did y'all think about?

1002
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 4: Uh?

1003
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 1: Well, I had somebody communicate with me that they didn't

1004
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: understand what Crockett's blunder was. They thought that I was

1005
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: saying that Crockett's blunder was him opposing the Indian removal.

1006
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: I no, I feel like I made it clear.

1007
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 4: I actually said that was Crockett's bleunder Crocketts blender was

1008
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 4: because I thought I thought you did make it clear

1009
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 4: and you actually restated it. It was him going on

1010
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 4: the book and forgetting forsaking his duties as a congressman

1011
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 4: instead going on the book toward it.

1012
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: Maybe that guy didn't finish the podcast because it was

1013
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: clear that the Indian Removal Act, the opposition to that,

1014
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: hurt him politically, but that I think it was his

1015
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 1: most noble one of his most noble moments, which was

1016
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: very at the time, would have been like pretty highly progressive.

1017
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: That's robe of the wrong word to you today you

1018
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 1: hear progressive and it brings political connotation. I just mean

1019
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: he was ahead of his time.

1020
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 3: It was like a civil rights move.

1021
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it would have been. And and I learned

1022
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 1: this today that there were some Native American chiefs that

1023
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,439
Speaker 1: were communit a cat with him, like thanking him for

1024
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: opposing it. Really yeah, so he actually did have some

1025
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: connection to to that community, you know. But but that

1026
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 1: was pretty big.

1027
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 3: So one of my favorite parts just just not anything

1028
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 3: really deep, but I we got a really good chuckle

1029
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 3: out of him when he's on the campaign tour, getting

1030
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 3: up first and reciting his opponent's complete campaign speech.

1031
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 1: Can you imagine, I.

1032
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 3: Mean, that was that was genius, absolute genius.

1033
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, I was.

1034
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 4: I was actually driving a bunch of boys to basketball

1035
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 4: practice and we were listening to this and they thought

1036
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 4: that whole section him uh knocking on the.

1037
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 5: Door with oh yeah, yeah, I mean they miss Duke.

1038
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: I would have thought you would have thought that was inappropriate.

1039
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 5: I did think it was inappropriate. But he didn't do anything.

1040
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't. You thought it was funny, didn't you.

1041
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 8: I think it's the first, it is the first farmer

1042
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 8: daughter joke in history.

1043
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 6: He did it was a comedian.

1044
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh he was, that's it. I mean, he was

1045
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 1: full of he was.

1046
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 6: Full of it.

1047
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he and then he he was just

1048
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 1: It's so it became so common in America for us

1049
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 1: to have like this folksy backwoods talk. Well, he was

1050
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 1: the first one to do it. Yeah, I mean, and

1051
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 1: then and you see that when Robert Morgan talked about

1052
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 1: his influence on Lincoln.

1053
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what I was going to bring up.

1054
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was pretty major. And I wouldn't have necessarily

1055
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 1: made that connection.

1056
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 9: When he started laying out the connections, I was like, oh, yeah,

1057
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 9: I can see it real clearly.

1058
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 1: Well, it was not a template for a for a

1059
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 1: commoner backwoodsman to be able to step on the political stage.

1060
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 1: And and Lincoln, you know, Crockett dies in eighteen thirty six,

1061
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 1: and then Lincoln is you know, obviously president in the

1062
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 1: eighteen sixties, and he's an older man when he's president.

1063
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 1: So their lives I don't know when they would have

1064
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 1: overlapped some. I'm not sure when Lincoln was born. But

1065
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 1: but you see a generation of influence. It's like all

1066
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: of a sudden there was a space. And that's the

1067
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 1: way society and culture works, is that someone pioneers a space,

1068
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 1: like a cultural space for somebody to do something. It's like, oh,

1069
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 1: I didn't know that I could be a politician. Oh

1070
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 1: I didn't know that this this kind of talk and

1071
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 1: connecting to society worked. And so that's how Lincoln stood out,

1072
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 1: was that he was this he was from the frontier,

1073
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 1: and he stood out.

1074
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 5: And so anyway, eighteen nine County, Kentucky. Oh wow, so

1075
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 5: a lot.

1076
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:00,439
Speaker 1: That's great, Andrew, why don't you close us down by

1077
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: playing the ballad of Davy Crocker. I love it, of course.

1078
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: Of course, I'm gonna say.

1079
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 5: You need to know that you've got perfect picture.

1080
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 8: That's that that was a mosquito or ten nights? Which

1081
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 8: one is it?

1082
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 6: In your ear?

1083
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 5: Yeah? Nights is usually an injury associated with with tennis.

1084
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 6: With tennis, Oh no, it's from fly fishing. All right,

1085
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 6: there we go.

1086
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 11: I'm born on the mountaintop Tennessee, Greenish State, in the

1087
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 11: Land of the Free, raised in the woods, so we knew.

1088
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 2: If Tree killed him a bar when he was only three.

1089
01:03:52,080 --> 01:04:00,919
Speaker 11: Davy Davy Cracking the Wild Frontier fots angle handed through

1090
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 11: the Indian until the creeks was with him.

1091
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 6: Peace was in store.

1092
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 2: While he was handled in this risky shore.

1093
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 1: He made himself a legend forever more.

1094
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 11: Baby Day Trucking King of the Wildfrontier.

1095
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 2: He went off to Congress service spell.

1096
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 11: Fixing up the government the laws as well. He took

1097
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 11: over Washington, so I hear tell, he patched up.

1098
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 2: The track in the Liberty Bell.

1099
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 9: Davy Dave Trocking King of the Wildfrontier.

1100
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 11: When he come home, his politicket's done, while the Western

1101
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 11: March had just be gone. So he packed his gear

1102
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 11: and his trustee gone.

1103
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 2: He led out of Grinted with the fall of the sun.

1104
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 1: Davy Day, Trucking King.

1105
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 2: Of the Wildfrontier. All right, here's the last one.

1106
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 6: Here we go.

1107
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 1: He heard Houston.

1108
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 11: And Austin's, and so to the Texas planes he had

1109
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 11: to go. The Freedom was fighting the other foe, and

1110
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 11: they needed him at the Alamo. Davy Day, the Tracking

1111
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 11: King of the wild Frontier.

1112
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 6: Shadowing in Spanish, but none of that, right.

1113
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 1: See thanks to Ton Andrew.

1114
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 2: Thanks thanks for the new rifle.

1115
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 1: I'm excited shooting and uh, I hate to move in

1116
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 1: on your scene there in Nashville and start writing.

1117
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 6: You know, a man's got to do what a man's gotta.

1118
01:05:55,160 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 9: Come on down and make hundreds of dollars, make hundreds

1119
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 9: of dollars here.

1120
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 1: Excellent. Well, we have one more episode of Crocoddle.

1121
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 5: And it's almost like its own thing. It can stand alone.

1122
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, excellent, Thank you all, Thank

1123
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 1: you all so much.

1124
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 6: Everybody listen to this Country Life and thank you for

1125
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 6: the folks that are.

1126
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, this country Life. Ray reads, It's going well.

1127
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 8: See Friday, every Friday morning, Every Friday morning.

1128
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 1: Excellent