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Speaker 1: want to start with the star matchup here. Obviously, all
Speaker 1: these basketball games are more complicated than just that, But
Speaker 1: the reason why the star matchup is so important in
Speaker 1: basketball is because that's typically the way that you initially
Speaker 1: break down a defense, and your ability to initially break
Speaker 1: down the beginning of a defense is going to play
Speaker 1: a much larger role in the result than the actual
Speaker 1: secondary part to that, like advantage, extending advantage, like play
Speaker 1: finishing that kind of stuff. Your ability to compromise the
Speaker 1: defense upfront is the most important part, and that's usually.
Speaker 2: The job for the star.
Speaker 1: It was immediately clear from the opening tip that Andre
Speaker 1: Jackson Junior was making Shaye pretty uncomfortable, both in isolation
Speaker 1: situations and in off screen situations. You see him hit
Speaker 1: that hard step back move to his right and he's, oh,
Speaker 1: oh shit. Ajax is right there, got to get rid
Speaker 1: of the ball, or like coming off of a screen,
Speaker 1: and Shaye thinks he's open for a pull up three bit,
Speaker 1: Ajax has kind of draped over his back and ends
Speaker 1: into a bad miss in the pull up three point
Speaker 1: shooting situation. The dead giveaway for me that Ajax was
Speaker 1: making Shaye pretty uncomfortable is that Shaye took a lot
Speaker 1: of bad shots, especially in that first half. He was
Speaker 1: taking just a lot of really difficult pull up jump shots.
Speaker 1: And that's what you do as a score when you're
Speaker 1: struggling to get to your easy stuff. You start to
Speaker 1: start grasping at straws and your decision making can get
Speaker 1: a little sketchy. And I thought that Ajax just kind
Speaker 1: of played Shae. It wasn't just that, it was also
Speaker 1: the rim protection. We're going to get more into that
Speaker 1: detail here in a minute, but in terms of the
Speaker 1: initial matchup, it looked like Shae was struggling to break
Speaker 1: down Milwaukee's defense at the point of attack right.
Speaker 2: It was also immediately clear.
Speaker 1: That nobody in the thunder Jersey could even remotely make
Speaker 1: Yannis feel uncomfortable, and so everything else trickled down from there.
Speaker 1: I want to start with Yannis. I thought he was
Speaker 1: just absolutely phenomenal in this game. I thought he pretty
Speaker 1: badly outplayed SGA, and it starts with his ability to
Speaker 1: draw multiple defenders in the paint through post ups and
Speaker 1: through drives. One of the biggest things that stood out
Speaker 1: to me in this game in the big picture about
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City is their ability to rotate out of blitzes
Speaker 1: is so locked in.
Speaker 2: They are so good.
Speaker 1: At shutting down openings after putting two on the ball
Speaker 1: twenty five feet from the basket. Their closeouts and their
Speaker 1: rotations are nowhere near as sharp or just simply nowhere
Speaker 1: near as effective on paint touches, when guys were catching
Speaker 1: the ball deep in the paint and double teams and
Speaker 1: triple teams were coming around them on drives in on
Speaker 1: post ups, they were not as sharp closing out, and
Speaker 1: Milwaukee got a lot of really high quality shots for
Speaker 1: their shooters. We're gonna talk about Oklahoma City shooting. They
Speaker 1: obviously had a very poor shooting game. There's a version
Speaker 1: of that game that looks somewhat different if Oklahoma City
Speaker 1: shoots better. But I thought Milwaukee generated better looks in
Speaker 1: this game for better shooters. Important detail. Milwaukee is the
Speaker 1: fourth best jump shooting team in the league per s Entergy.
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City is the eighteenth best jump shooting team in
Speaker 1: the league. You have an elite jump shooting team versus
Speaker 1: a mediocre to bad jump shooting team. So when they play,
Speaker 1: there will likely be a jump shooting difference. Maybe not
Speaker 1: as big as what we saw last night, but they're
Speaker 1: gonna be. There's gonna be a jump shooting advantage for
Speaker 1: Milwaukee in this game. In this type of matchup, Milwaukee
Speaker 1: generated thirty four catch and shoot jump shots last night.
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City only generated twenty one and there's some decision
Speaker 1: making stuff there that will get into in a little bit.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't just that Milwaukee shot better. They generated
Speaker 1: substantially more high quality shots. That helps guys start to
Speaker 1: build rhythm. That helps the lead to guys making shots.
Speaker 1: Like Milwaukee shot better than Oklahoma City in the first half.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't like Milwaukee shot great in the first half.
Speaker 1: Milwaukee shot okay in the first half, but they generated
Speaker 1: sixteen catch and shoot jump.
Speaker 2: Shots, so they built rhythm.
Speaker 1: They get in the second half, they generate eighteen more
Speaker 1: catch and shoot jump shots, they get their rhythm, and
Speaker 1: they blow the game open. So like that was kind
Speaker 1: of like the story of the game. Milwaukee was generating
Speaker 1: better shots and eventually the floodgates just opened and they
Speaker 1: blew the game open. The primary driving force behind that, though,
Speaker 1: was Yannis and his ability out of the post to
Speaker 1: generate multiple to generate advantages by bringing multiple defenders. It
Speaker 1: wasn't even just double teams all the time. Sometimes it
Speaker 1: was triple teams. There's a play where he hit up
Speaker 1: Brook Lopez for a little cut right in front of
Speaker 1: the rim where he drew a triple team on the
Speaker 1: left block, and it was in like the late first
Speaker 1: half period he was wrecking Oklahoma City's defense with his
Speaker 1: presence around the basket. One of the things I talked
Speaker 1: about coming into this game, if you guys remember, I
Speaker 1: talked about how Yannis was going to be bigger and
Speaker 1: stronger than everybody on Oklahoma City's roster, and as long
Speaker 1: as as Milwaukee could avoid the problem areas with Oklahoma City,
Speaker 1: like turnovers in transition, then they would have a chance
Speaker 1: to bludgeon them with their size.
Speaker 2: And by the way they held, they held.
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City to just eleven points off of turnovers and
Speaker 1: just eleven fast break points and only seven offensive rebounds,
Speaker 1: and so they avoided the onslaught that Oklahoma City can
Speaker 1: deliver on the margins with their defense, forcing turnovers and
Speaker 1: running in transition, which allowed them to inflict their size
Speaker 1: advantages on the interior. Yannis posted up twelve times against
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City last night. Milwaukee scored on ten of those
Speaker 1: twelve possessions. They could not stop him down there. He
Speaker 1: also had five stocks. It wasn't just post ups, it
Speaker 1: was also dribble penetration. Giannis was the best player on
Speaker 1: the floor by a mile.
Speaker 2: Last night.
Speaker 1: I thought it was just an incredibly dominant performance for
Speaker 1: him that Oklahoma City couldn't handle. I also thought Dame
Speaker 1: pretty badly outplayed Jalen Williams. There were struggles in the
Speaker 1: first shift without Yiannis. It's kind of this interesting concept
Speaker 1: where like they go to it was like early second quarter,
Speaker 1: they go to like a lot of Dame ball screens
Speaker 1: and it plays directly into Oklahoma City's hands. They start
Speaker 1: blitzing right and Milwaukee's offense starts to struggle. Oklahoma City
Speaker 1: starts getting out. In transition, they go on an eight
Speaker 1: to zero run, and it was one of the areas
Speaker 1: of the game where things got a little finicky for Milwaukee.
Speaker 1: But there was a really smart adjustment because again, you're
Speaker 1: playing into Oklahoma City's hands by running ball screens in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, especially with your guards, because they
Speaker 1: love to blitz and they love to rotate out of it.
Speaker 1: Like we talked about earlier, in the early fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: same group, instead of playing through a bunch of ball screens,
Speaker 1: they started playing through Bobby Portis in the post and
Speaker 1: running Dame off of off ball action, and they were
Speaker 1: the group that blew the game open. Bobby draws a
Speaker 1: double team, kicks out Gary Trent and hits a three.
Speaker 1: Dame comes flying off of an off ball screen. Dame
Speaker 1: knocks down to catching shoot three Brook Lopez. It's a
Speaker 1: big three. They just got super hot from three by
Speaker 1: not getting into the ball screen thing, and they blew
Speaker 1: the game open. I thought it was a really really
Speaker 1: smart adjustment from the Bucks in that early fourth quarter stretch. Again,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was Doc or I don't
Speaker 1: know if it was Dame or who it was, but
Speaker 1: they were smart. They went away from something that wasn't
Speaker 1: working in the first shift, and they were able to
Speaker 1: kind of flip the script a little bit. Also, in
Speaker 1: a game where easy shots were tough to come by,
Speaker 1: Dame just hit a lot of tough jumpers and Shay
Speaker 1: and Jalen Williams were not hitting their tough jumpers, and
Speaker 1: that was a big swing factor in this game. I
Speaker 1: also thought it was one of Dame's best defensive games
Speaker 1: in his career. He was competing on the ball, he
Speaker 1: was flattening out drives, he was grabbing contested rebounds like
Speaker 1: an athlete. I watched him in the first half like
Speaker 1: com flying in and grab a contested rebound. I'm like,
Speaker 1: holy shit, Dame is locked in in this game. On
Speaker 1: the details, he was closing out to shooters. I just
Speaker 1: thought he was really good. Brooke was amazing. He was
Speaker 1: super active defensively from the start. He had three threes.
Speaker 1: I talked about him cutting off the ball on Yon,
Speaker 1: his post ups, Gary Trent hit several big shots.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 1: I talked before the game, if they could just avoid
Speaker 1: the issues with the Thunder in terms of their speed,
Speaker 1: causing turnovers and getting out in transition, they had a
Speaker 1: chance to beat Oklahoma City with their size. That's what
Speaker 1: they did. They limited those issues and they got the
Speaker 1: job done. Huge statement for Milwaukee, who's been really kicking
Speaker 1: everybody's ass for the most part for over a month now.
Speaker 1: And again it's all stabilized on a couple of key factors.
Speaker 1: One Jannison Brook Lopez turning up the defensive intensity to
Speaker 1: back to what it was like in like twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, Right, that was kind of the initial
Speaker 1: thing that happened that I noticed that really started to
Speaker 1: carve out some achievable perimeter defense roles. Then they plugged
Speaker 1: guys into those achievable perimeter defense roles, namely Andre Jackson
Speaker 1: Junior and AJ Green, and those guys both just started
Speaker 1: doing a really good job and in the process did
Speaker 1: a lot of damage right, and then out of that
Speaker 1: just getting everybody else to do their and then on
Speaker 1: the offensive end of the floor again, like just Yannis
Speaker 1: playing at the highest level offensively that he's played at
Speaker 1: in his entire career, his playmaking has taken a massive leap.
Speaker 1: I've talked a lot in the past about how Yanis
Speaker 1: has struggled sometimes to play make out of the middle
Speaker 1: of the floor because his ability to kind of perceive everything.
Speaker 1: He's been doing a ton of damage out of the
Speaker 1: middle of the floor as a passer, and it's just
Speaker 1: a sign of growth. He's just growing as a playmaker
Speaker 1: as he continues to see these reads and see the
Speaker 1: easy opportunities that come available to him off of all
Speaker 1: the attention that he draws. This is a real team
Speaker 1: they're on again. If you're looking at the big picture
Speaker 1: for Milwaukee, it's about keeping your foot on the pedal
Speaker 1: right and continuing to build out those defensive habits because
Speaker 1: you have to be so sharp to overcome the types
Speaker 1: of disadvantages you're gonna have to deal with in a
Speaker 1: matchup with a team like Boston. Right, So again, you
Speaker 1: have to look at from now, from December eighteenth all
Speaker 1: the way through to April eighteenth and the playoff. At
Speaker 1: the beginning of the playoffs, you have what's that like
Speaker 1: to January, February March ap four months here to really
Speaker 1: iron out the details and become as sharp as possible,
Speaker 1: because if you get into a setting. Here's the thing
Speaker 1: do like with Yiannis. I said out a poll because
Speaker 1: I was just kind of feeling out how people feel
Speaker 1: about the Yannis Jokic debate, and it's still about seventy
Speaker 1: five to twenty five in favor of Jokic, and I agree.
Speaker 1: I think Nikola Jokic is the best player in the world.
Speaker 1: I think Giannis is playing close to his level, though,
Speaker 1: and he's making it a debate, which is something that
Speaker 1: it didn't even feel possible about a month ago with
Speaker 1: the level that Nikola Jokic was playing at. But here's
Speaker 1: the thing, Jiannis is sure as hell the very best
Speaker 1: player in the Eastern Conference, and that is a huge
Speaker 1: advantage to have you go into a series with Boston.
Speaker 1: Tatum's playing at a really high level Jannis is better
Speaker 1: than him. So if you can iron out the details
Speaker 1: and you get the most that you possibly can get
Speaker 1: out of this roster, and you put yourself in a
Speaker 1: series where Yannis is the best player, maybe, just maybe
Speaker 1: he can put you over the top. Again, I'll be
Speaker 1: picking Boston in that sort of situation. But there is
Speaker 1: an opportunity here, a little window, a little light at
Speaker 1: the end of the tunnel for Milwaukee that I didn't
Speaker 1: really see before the season, and they have just been
Speaker 1: proving that they're capable of reaching a level above and
Speaker 1: beyond what we saw before the start of the season.
Speaker 1: Really really impressive stretch of basketball here from the Milwaukee
Speaker 1: Bucks on the Oklahoma City front. Again, like as I
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, Milwaukee is shot forty five percent on unguarded
Speaker 1: ketchen choo jump shots all year. That rinks top five
Speaker 1: in the NBA. Oklahoma City doesn't shoot as well. That said,
Speaker 1: I think it's important to acknowledge that there was some real,
Speaker 1: there was some real shot variants in this game.
Speaker 2: So this is crazy.
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City generated fifteen unguarded ketch and shoot jump shots.
Speaker 1: They made one. They made one out of fifteen, Okay,
Speaker 1: so I think It's completely fair to come into this
Speaker 1: discussion and be like, hey, we didn't shoot the ball
Speaker 1: very well, and that's something that is a bit of
Speaker 1: variance that could go another direction. But you also trailed
Speaker 1: by twenty in this game. It's not like a few
Speaker 1: shots go in and you win. You got blown out
Speaker 1: for all intents and purposes, right, And so again this
Speaker 1: is where we have to look at what I think
Speaker 1: is the demon that Oklahoma City has to overcome. Every
Speaker 1: star player, every great team has a demon that they
Speaker 1: have to overcome, right. You know, like you look at
Speaker 1: Lebron and it's like he's got to learn how to
Speaker 1: knock down jump shots when teams are sagging way off
Speaker 1: of him. Right, the early Golden State teams, when I'm
Speaker 1: talking like twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, it was about Steph
Speaker 1: Curry and Klay Thompson buying in on the defensive end
Speaker 1: of the floor, which they did and things kind of
Speaker 1: took off for them from there. Right, there's always like
Speaker 1: this thing you have to overcome in Oklahoma City's thing,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, comes down to their offensive process. There
Speaker 1: was a lot again just like the Dallas series, of
Speaker 1: trying rim protectors instead of making easy kickout The Thunder
Speaker 1: shot eight for eighteen in the restricted area last night
Speaker 1: below fifty percent. They also generated just twenty one catch
Speaker 1: and shoot jump shots compared to thirty four for Milwaukee.
Speaker 1: That leads to a problem with your rhythm when you've
Speaker 1: got guys like j Dub Andshay and like, there's even
Speaker 1: play at the end of the Gamehere Kenridge Williams just
Speaker 1: decides to challenge Giannis Antennacoopo at the rim. It's like
Speaker 1: when you are challenging elite rim protectors at the rim
Speaker 1: instead of making kickout passes so that guys get more
Speaker 1: attempts to build their rhythm. That plays a role in
Speaker 1: you going ice cold at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: I thought all game that Oklahoma City Shooters looked uncomfortable
Speaker 1: and unconfident, and the only way to work around that
Speaker 1: is to continue to generate them as many quality opportunities
Speaker 1: as possible for them to build rhythm. This was the
Speaker 1: same problem they ran into in the Dallas series. Oh
Speaker 1: we didn't shoot well, Yeah, but she also kept challenging
Speaker 1: Derek Lively and Daniel Gafford at the instead of making
Speaker 1: easy kickout passes and trying to work for the great shot.
Speaker 1: It's actually the same demon that the Boston Celtics confronted
Speaker 1: early on as they perpetually challenged rim protectors instead of
Speaker 1: making kickout passes and trying and trying to generate the
Speaker 1: great shot, instead of taking the good shot, right, That's
Speaker 1: gonna be the challenge. What you saw Oklahoma City deal
Speaker 1: with last night against Milwaukee is exactly what they saw
Speaker 1: in the series against Dallas, and it's exactly what they're
Speaker 1: going to see when they face rim protection in the
Speaker 1: playoffs this year. Teams are going to sag off of
Speaker 1: ken Rich Williams, sag off of Loud Dort, They're gonna
Speaker 1: sag off of Aaron Wiggins, They're gonna sag off of
Speaker 1: everybody case on Wallace like Alex Caruso, chet Holmgrin. They
Speaker 1: are going to sag off of everybody. Load up in
Speaker 1: the paint and see if you're diligent enough to make
Speaker 1: the kickout passes again and again and again even if
Speaker 1: the shot doesn't go in, so that guys can get
Speaker 1: confident and start making shots. That is the challenge. That
Speaker 1: is the demon this team has to overcome, and when
Speaker 1: they do, they're more talented than everybody except for maybe Boston.
Speaker 1: So when they do, they're probably going to win. But
Speaker 1: that's going to be the challenge. What's the timeframe? Are
Speaker 1: they going to win this year, next year, the year
Speaker 1: after that timeframe is going to be dictated by them
Speaker 1: learning that lesson. If you sit here today and you
Speaker 1: think we just didn't make shots, and you're not willing
Speaker 1: to acknowledge the reality that Milwaukee was taking all of
Speaker 1: your help and turning them into open, catch and shoot
Speaker 1: jump shots, and you were taking all of Milwaukee's help
Speaker 1: and turning them into contested shots in the paint. I
Speaker 1: pulled there like they were as a team, seventeen for
Speaker 1: thirty nine in the paint. Why why? I don't understand?
Speaker 1: There were lots of Go watch the tape. There's lots
Speaker 1: of opportunities. And again, for mediocre shooters, if they're getting
Speaker 1: only one, like two or three looks per game, they
Speaker 1: might just go oh for two or oh for three.
Speaker 1: But if they get four or five looks per game,
Speaker 1: they might find the rhythm and knock down one or
Speaker 1: two of them, and then it could be the onslought
Speaker 1: that turns things around for your team. I think again,
Speaker 1: it's it's always interesting to me when you're watching the
Speaker 1: development trajectory of young teams, there's always like the thing
Speaker 1: they have to overcome. For Oklahoma City, it's a decision
Speaker 1: making piece and a willingness to hunt down the great
Speaker 1: shot instead of just the good shot, because again there
Speaker 1: is some jump shooting limitation here. But they're not like terrible.
Speaker 1: They're capable of being a good jump shooting team, but
Speaker 1: it has to be part of their identity. And again,
Speaker 1: like it's one thing. It's one thing when you're when
Speaker 1: you're trying to ram it down their throat and transition,
Speaker 1: But like when you're in the half court and it's
Speaker 1: Brook Lopez and it's Giannis Antennacumpo, or it's Derek Lively
Speaker 1: and it's Daniel Gafford, or if it ends up being
Speaker 1: a Draymond Green, or if it ends up being an
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis, whoever it is that you're playing. If you
Speaker 1: continue to try your six four sixty five sixty six
Speaker 1: wings against some of the best ris protectors in the
Speaker 1: history of the game, it's gonna end poorly for you.
Speaker 1: Like you got to find a way to work around that.
Speaker 1: And again, like you're Yannis can win Rock fights, and
Speaker 1: there was a lot of this Brook Giannis and Bobby
Speaker 1: they can win rock fights with their size. When things
Speaker 1: get ugly, they can just try to bludgeon you under
Speaker 1: the basket. That's not a thing you have at your disposal.
Speaker 1: You're going to have to play really sharp on the
Speaker 1: perimeter to beat teams that load up on you. If
Speaker 1: you try to beat them with size underneath the basket,
Speaker 1: that's not a battle that you're going to win. It's
Speaker 1: not sky is falling for the thunder. There's still a
Speaker 1: very very good chance for them to get this thing done,
Speaker 1: but it's going to be about their ability to learn
Speaker 1: that lesson at some point before the end of the
Speaker 1: season if they're going to accomplish their goals. All right, guys,
Speaker 1: it's all I have for today. As always, a sincerely
Speaker 1: appreciate you for supporting me and supporting the show. Got
Speaker 1: a bunch of fun stuff coming out later in the
Speaker 1: week that I've already recorded because we've got some guys
Speaker 1: taking time off for the holidays, so we're tomorrow. I've
Speaker 1: got the Nerd Sash guys coming on. We're doing a
Speaker 1: bunch of like toss ups. We're gonna talk a lot
Speaker 1: of jokichianis. We're gonna talk a lot about SGA and
Speaker 1: the Thunder. We're gonna talk a lot of stuff around
Speaker 1: the Nuggets, Bucks, and Thunder with the Nerd Sash guys tomorrow,
Speaker 1: and then I already recorded a mail bag for Friday.
Speaker 1: And the mail bag, we're also going to be talking
Speaker 1: some big picture NBA stuff regarding the ratings and just
Speaker 1: the overall health of the league. Talk about the Memphis
Speaker 1: Grizzlies and they're kind of bizarre offense that they're running.
Speaker 1: Talk about like the correlation between three point shooting and
Speaker 1: offensive rebound.
Speaker 2: Just a lot of fun stuff.
Speaker 1: To get into over the next two days, and then
Speaker 1: after the weekend, we'll be back on Monday for Power rankings.
Speaker 1: As always, I sincerely appreciate you guys, and I'll see
Speaker 1: you tomorrow.
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