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Speaker 1: beat it. Let's start with a couple of big stories

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Speaker 1: this week were DeVante Adams and Joe Burrow, two of

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Speaker 1: the best players in the league. You know, kind of

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Speaker 1: drew some headlines. There was a long article on Devonte

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Speaker 1: Adams and there were some quotes from Joe Burrow. Now,

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow talked about his contract because he is contract

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Speaker 1: extension eligible, he's clearly, you know, got a chance to

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Speaker 1: go down, as you know, one of the best players

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Speaker 1: in franchise history, if not the best. Not a long

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Speaker 1: way to go, but I'd say his career is his

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Speaker 1: career trajectory is pointing up right at the sky. Right,

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Speaker 1: it's already headed there. And he talked about the importance

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Speaker 1: of other people getting paid. And listen, he's not dumb.

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Speaker 1: He understands that for them to keep rolling, he can't

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Speaker 1: couple of years, Jamar Chase T. Higgins offensive weapons a

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Speaker 1: good defense. He gets it right. It's why we hold

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Speaker 1: when guys act like idiots at the quarterback position, you know,

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Speaker 1: we can't take them seriously. Right over the years, like

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Speaker 1: when that contract clause was in Kyler Murray's contract, it

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Speaker 1: was an enormous story, not because of the clause, but

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Speaker 1: because it was a quarterback. We're like, what, how is

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Speaker 1: this possible? Now here's the thing. The Chiefs and the

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Speaker 1: Bengals are a fantastic rivalry right right now. Right they've

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Speaker 1: played in back to back conference championships, they've each won one.

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Speaker 1: Both games could have gone either way. You could argue

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Speaker 1: the two best quarterbacks in the league. Obviously, Mahomes is

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes has a large contract. Travis Kelcey. They're lucky

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Speaker 1: plays a position that does not command offensive tackle or

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Speaker 1: interesting because Joe Burrow is getting extended, Jamar Chase is

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Speaker 1: very fascinating. I remember talking to a buddy on the Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: And you know, Higgins is going to be the cheapest

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Speaker 1: making forty five plus Jamar Chase in a year is

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Speaker 1: going to command you know, Justin whatever Justin Jefferson gets

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Speaker 1: and clearly Burrow and Chase are going nowhere. I do

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Speaker 1: understand the Higgins. It just puts them in a tough spot.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm not into trading to Higgins, but I just

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Speaker 1: Like the Chiefs were lucky, kind of was pretty easy, right.

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Speaker 1: They had a quarterback, they had a defensive pass rusher,

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Speaker 1: they had one wide receiver, and their other sweet player

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Speaker 1: in terms of the ability to win with or tyreek

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Speaker 1: and I believe it is. Like Travis Kelcey and George

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Speaker 1: Kittle are worth every bit you know of twenty three,

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Speaker 1: not what their position pays, right, So it'll be very,

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Speaker 1: very fascinating how the Bengals handle all this because they

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Speaker 1: which they've I would say they've close to had the

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Speaker 1: your team's pretty damn good. And one of the reasons

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Speaker 1: it's been so good is because financially they've had a

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Speaker 1: lot of advantages. All these guys are on rookie contracts

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Speaker 1: and that's about to change. DeVante Adams. If you haven't

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Speaker 1: read the Ringer article, I skim through it. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: preface everything by saying this. I love DeVante Adams. He's

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Speaker 1: a friends of State guy. We didn't overlap, But a

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Speaker 1: speaks for itself. He's not just a winning player, he's

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Speaker 1: a winning person. You want him in your organization. And

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Speaker 1: I do understand that it's tough, right for most of

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Speaker 1: It's very short, right. Even if you're an all time

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Speaker 1: It's really a short period of time in his life.

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Speaker 1: But it's a job that pays more than any other

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Speaker 1: and it's just a very unique situation for pro athletes.

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Speaker 1: He was in Green Bay for ten years, one of

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Speaker 1: like when you're as good as DeVante is or any

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Speaker 1: clearly he's capable of. They immediately can win twelve games.

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Speaker 1: That it wasn't because of Aaron Rodgers. And I wonder

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Speaker 1: sometimes with this generation, like historically, athletes, especially great ones,

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Speaker 1: they could handle a lot of you know, just fluff,

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Speaker 1: you know it. Just society is just a lot different,

428
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: and I think everyone that's having success now, Ron Reel

429
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,439
Speaker 1: is really in and when you think of ESPN, you

430
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: don't really feel that way, right, You don't think of

431
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 1: that now. When I woke up on Thursday morning, I

432
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 1: saw a headline from the Wall Street Journal, and this

433
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 1: has been well reported in business circles that Disney has

434
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 1: been thinking about getting rid of ESPN right and just

435
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 1: kind of spinning it off into its own entity and

436
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 1: selling it to someone. And I do wonder if that

437
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Speaker 1: element allows Pat because I think is one of his

438
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: best attributes. She's got a lot of them. Is it's

439
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: just kind of fearless. He'll say whatever, and because of

440
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: the platform he's on YouTube, he can swear. He can

441
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 1: just say whatever he wants, which will not be tolerated,

442
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: you know, or at least historically has not been at ESPN.

443
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 1: Think about when Pardon might take Big Cat and PFT

444
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 1: got that Van show and everyone at ESPN freaked the

445
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Speaker 1: you know what out. Part of my take is the

446
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: biggest sports podcast by a pretty wide margin. They are

447
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: what anyone would call in business a cash cow. They

448
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: print money. You know what ESPN would have done to

449
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: get involved with that brand looking back, Yet they were

450
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: forced because a couple people that women that work for

451
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Speaker 1: their network. If you replace not a soul, what of

452
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: notice freaked out? And ultimately they got fired And you

453
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: could argue ESPN might be a little different now. I

454
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 1: don't know, but you know what if Pat pissed someone

455
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Speaker 1: off and they want them gone, now they're paying Pad

456
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Speaker 1: a lot of money. Maybe times have changed, But clearly

457
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Speaker 1: he's got a lot of leverage on this. The most

458
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Speaker 1: important thing any of us have in the podcast space

459
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: is something we call ip Do your own your podcast

460
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,679
Speaker 1: or does someone else own your podcast? Right? Because if

461
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 1: you own your podcast is like you own the real estate,

462
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 1: you know, and that's very, very important. And clearly he

463
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Speaker 1: had a lot of leverage in the deal. He's going

464
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Speaker 1: to own his podcast, his YouTube channel. And the one

465
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Speaker 1: thing ESPN does a couple of things, just like any

466
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Speaker 1: big company that you partner with does, is Pat clearly

467
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 1: has a lot of expenses. He's got a lot of

468
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Speaker 1: people working for him. Well, who do you think immediately

469
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: then covers their insurance? Right, ESPN? Who do you think immediately?

470
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: I'm sure he got paid more money than he could

471
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Speaker 1: afford to pay him or you know, feel comfortable paying him.

472
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Speaker 1: Probably got all his people raises, so he took care

473
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Speaker 1: of people, right, which I wonder, which I would imagine

474
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Speaker 1: is a big driver. The other thing that's gonna happen

475
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Speaker 1: is they're going to put him on ESPN on a

476
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Speaker 1: daily basis, like no one is watching. I think Get

477
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: Up does pretty well with Greenberg, but these other shows.

478
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Speaker 1: You know, when I was in college and even I

479
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: remember moving to Philly, ESPN's lineup in radio was remarkable.

480
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Speaker 1: It was Mike and Mike, which you could call cheesy

481
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Speaker 1: or whatever. It was an enormous revenue generating show. The

482
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Speaker 1: coward to SVP and Rissillo, and I think Gottlieb was

483
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 1: after them. I mean, it was just it was a

484
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Speaker 1: boheman and they don't care about radio anymore. And part

485
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: of radio has changed, right, Look at Colin. Is Colin

486
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 1: a radio show or is he a television show? Now?

487
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: Colin's also got podcast networks. He's got a lot going on.

488
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: But you know, it's a simulcast now, and that's what

489
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 1: Pat is. It's a simulcast. That's what all of this is.

490
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Speaker 1: You got to be on video and you got to

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Speaker 1: be on audio. But I do wonder if there're gonna

492
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Speaker 1: be limitations on his authenticity, which is what makes Pat

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00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: so awesome, what makes you know people kind of gravitate

494
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Speaker 1: to him. And I bet what he would say is listen,

495
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 1: our ceiling, even at YouTube is only so high, right

496
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: we get you know, when we get Aaron Rodgers on

497
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: or a big guest on, we can get six figures

498
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Speaker 1: watching it one time, but for the most part, we're

499
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: probably averaging thirty five forty fifty K watching it. One

500
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: time you put us on ESPN, we're immediately five six hundred.

501
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 1: The exposure is dramatically grown. So I always push back

502
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Speaker 1: when someone calls someone to sell out because like any talk,

503
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: shit walks and a business either growing or dying, so

504
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: you always got to look to grow, and the more

505
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: you grow, the more people you add, the more expensive

506
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Speaker 1: it gets. So I understand why he did it, and

507
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Speaker 1: I think he understands that made some you know kind

508
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: of like if you get me, this is what you're getting.

509
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: The problem is, like you're on television, there are some

510
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: rules you know, he's gonna have to and he's even

511
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: said that, like there's no game just dropping f bomb

512
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: that won't be tolerated, and I think ESPN is trying

513
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: to you kind of, you know, figure out a way

514
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: to be kind of more relevant than they've become, because

515
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: I felt their brand has never been less strong in

516
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: my lifetime. Right forever, it was just trending up, trending up,

517
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: trending up, trending up. And now it feels like it's

518
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: carried by a couple guys and some games. Right, you

519
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: remove a couple of their newsbreakers, woes and schefter in

520
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: the games, like, you know, are we really watching much

521
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: of it? Not really? I know I'm not, and I

522
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: am their demo thirty seven year old sports junkie. And

523
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: if you don't have either on a live event I

524
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: want to watch, like today I'm watching the PGA Championship

525
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: or a personality I want to watch, and they don't

526
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: have any one of those anymore. I'm not turning on

527
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: your channel. And I think ratings speak for itself the

528
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: cord cutting. So they're trying to adapt, and I give

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Speaker 1: them credit because this is the guy you would go after.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be fascinating to see if it works. I

531
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Speaker 1: would say that it's gonna be bumpy and people are

532
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: gonna complain, and because that's just a lot of the

533
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: type people they have under their umbrella complain a lot,

534
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: always bitching and moanent always, you know, pointing the finger

535
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: at someone else. And most of those people that are

536
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: doing that aren't that important. They're very I hate to

537
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: say it'm fireable, replaceable, you know, and Pat now is

538
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: not right, so he's he's kind of untouchable. And it'll

539
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,959
Speaker 1: be interesting to watch how this all plays out, you know,

540
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: as he transitions. I would imagine he's by football season,

541
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: he'll be full time ESPN. It's banging out a couple

542
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: of mailbag questions. We'll just contain it all to this podcast.

543
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: Like I said earlier and at John Middlecoff is the

544
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: Instagram fire in those dms get you a question answered

545
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: here on the show. We usually do this on Sunday,

546
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: but you know, the next couple of weeks gonna be busy,

547
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: got some stuff going on, so I thought I would

548
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: just contain it to this podcast. I've been an avid

549
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: listener for about a year. I live in Texas. You

550
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: probably have heard the deal between ESPN and McAfee. The

551
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: main part that caught my attention is ESPN is letting

552
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: Pat have full creative control and broadcasting the show live

553
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: on YouTube. Do you think ESPN big networks start offering

554
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: similar deals to creators or is this more of a

555
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: deal given ESPN's popularity and existing or McAfee's popularity and

556
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: existing relationship with ESPN. I think they've been courting him

557
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: now for a while. I think what he does is very,

558
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,959
Speaker 1: very specific, right. I mean, he hosts NFL's King, he

559
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: owns an NFL show, dabbles in a little bit of

560
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: NBA and NHL, but the NFL is his main baby.

561
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: He gets Aaron Rodgers every week, He gets a ton

562
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: of guests already without the help of anybody, So it

563
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. His show is clearly more

564
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: popular than any you know, ESPN radio show, that's for sure.

565
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: And that's kind of what he is, right, this hybrid

566
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: sim will cast like we talked about earlier. I just

567
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: think he had a lot of leverage. That's what life's about, right.

568
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: When you have no leverage, you do whatever they tell you.

569
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: When you have all the leverage, you don't need to

570
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: do this. The most powerful thing McAfee had on his

571
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: hands was he could say no. So when you can

572
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: say no, right, are you even willing to say no?

573
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: Even if you don't have as much leverage. Sometimes like

574
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: a guy like Pat, you might get a little more.

575
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: So I think the key with Pat is he did

576
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: not need them. They needed him more than he needed them.

577
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: Given why, I bet his offer was pretty incredible. Yeah,

578
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: so I think part of it is less about future

579
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: creators and more about his individual situation, right, and that's

580
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: what he just Yeah, Like I said, he's had a

581
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: lot of leverage. A longtime listener from Australia hope you

582
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: are well. What are your thoughts on the Colts draft

583
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: grade given by analysts across the NFL circles? They've consistently

584
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: received a high grade from multiple outlets. However, I'm not

585
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: seeing it. Are these grades just review of filling roster

586
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: requirements or do you think we actually acquired some solid

587
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: pieces Like most I think ar was definitely a reach,

588
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: but interested to see how it develops. What's your take

589
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: on the development on his development surrounding his throwing ability

590
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: and mechanics. I think a lot of draft grades strictly

591
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: have to do with the people grading you what they

592
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: thought of those players. So if I loved Anthony Richardson

593
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: and thought he should go number one overall, and you

594
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: took him for overall, and I think his upside is

595
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: higher than any player in the draft. You're gonna skew right.

596
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: So then let's just focus on their first three players.

597
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: Ar Kansas State quarterback Julius Brentz, who I remember when

598
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: they drafted them, seeing some highlights. I don't have a

599
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: scatting report on them. And the fast wide receiver from

600
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: North Carolina, Josh Downs. A lot of people like Downs,

601
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: obviously getting them in the third round. Never forget, the Colts,

602
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: once upon a time had a lot of success drafting

603
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: a third round wide receiver named t Y Hilton. I'm

604
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: not comparing these two, but so let's just say they

605
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: get three starters out of their draft. And obviously the quarterback.

606
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: You know, you know nothing about the draft, right in

607
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: terms of how good these guys are going to be.

608
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: No one has any clue. So I guess my overall

609
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: take is zero stock into draft grades two. I think

610
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: the quarterback they're swinging for the fences year one could

611
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: be Rocky. It's we won't even begin to be able

612
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: to judge for three years. I think to be a

613
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: good draft, the corner, the wide receiver, you got, an

614
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: offensive tackle, you got some other defensive players. I think

615
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: you gotta have you know, four of these next you

616
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: had one two, shit, one, two, three, four, four players

617
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: in the top one ten and then another guy in

618
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: the top one fifty beside the quarterback. I think two

619
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: of those guys have to be starters. I mean, one

620
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: thing you guys lacked or the Colts, I guess I'm

621
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: talking to you, Like your Chris Ballard is play speed. Right,

622
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 1: So if the wide receiver in the corner, your defense

623
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: was fine. You know in theory, your offense just lacks

624
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: some juice. So if you get a little more juice

625
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: with this rookie. But sometimes it's hard for rookie wide receivers.

626
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: I just think, listen, I like the mindset of the quarterback.

627
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,439
Speaker 1: The other guys. I can't pretend to have a take.

628
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: Who the fuck knows with all this media hype around Darnold,

629
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: does Lance end up on the practice squad or will

630
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,919
Speaker 1: Kyle dress three quarterbacks on game day? If another team

631
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: signed Lance off our practice squad, would SF save any

632
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: money salary cap wise? Well for him to end up

633
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: on the practice squad it would take this obviously, everyone

634
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: beats him out. They would have to cut him, So

635
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: if they cut him at the fifty three man roster construction,

636
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: he would have to pass through waivers, meaning every team

637
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: in the league would have to pass on him. Now,

638
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: if you claimed him, you have to put him on

639
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: your roster and take his contract, So the forty nine

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Speaker 1: ers would be off the hook for his remaining guaranteed

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Speaker 1: salaries this year and next. They would still have some

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Speaker 1: dead cap issues because they gave him a signing bonus

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Speaker 1: of whatever twenty five million dollars when they drafted him.

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Speaker 1: But if they cut him and no one claimed them,

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Speaker 1: then they would get double dings and then someone could

646
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: easily claim, you know, sign him to their active roster

647
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Speaker 1: for much cheaper. I think we're a long ways away

648
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Speaker 1: from that, but uh, you know, shit, it's going to

649
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Speaker 1: be a very very interesting training camp in San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: Question for the pot from the perspective of a borderline

651
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Speaker 1: draft prospect, what would the advantage be to get drafted

652
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Speaker 1: in the seventh round versus going undrafted. A friend of

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Speaker 1: a friend was immediately signed after the draft, and it

654
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Speaker 1: would seem to me that being able to sign with

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Speaker 1: whoever might be an advantage to following with the Tide

656
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: of who picks you. Given there's no guaranteed roster spot

657
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Speaker 1: and plenty of undrafted free agents playing in the NFL.

658
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Speaker 1: I was hoping you could distinguish the two. Well, to me,

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Speaker 1: there's two ways to look at it. There is, it's

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Speaker 1: an honor to be drafted, right to say, whether you

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Speaker 1: last one year in the NFL or five, being drafted

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00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 1: in the NFL is pretty cool, right, But the most

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Speaker 1: important thing, whether you're a seventh rounder or an undrafted

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Speaker 1: free agent once the draft ends, is playing in the

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Speaker 1: NFL as an undrafted free agent. Like if you draft

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Speaker 1: me with the second to last pick, and I'm let's

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Speaker 1: just say a wide receiver because you had a fourth

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Speaker 1: round grade on me, and the team's like, shit, let's

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Speaker 1: just take this guy. We'd want him as an undrafted

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Speaker 1: free agent. Let's take him with our you know, the

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Speaker 1: second to last pick in the draft. Get him on

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Speaker 1: the team because we had a great grade on him.

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Speaker 1: What if that team already has five guys that are

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Speaker 1: a lock to make the team at wide receiver, I'm

675
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: in major trouble. Right. So if it was up to

676
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Speaker 1: me and I was the player slash agent, I might

677
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Speaker 1: not choose that team. Because as a definitely, the agent

678
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Speaker 1: is the guy that the teams are talking with. He

679
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Speaker 1: is trying to guide the player as an undrafted free

680
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,479
Speaker 1: agent to a play. Like if I'm an undrafted free

681
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: agent running back, where would you want to go to?

682
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: All the Shamahan guys? Why they run the ball? You'd

683
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: want to go to a place that values running, So

684
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: mighty Kyle could be McVeigh doesn't really as much lafleur vrabel.

685
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: I know technically he doesn't have a Shanahan guy, but

686
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, you want to go

687
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 1: to a place where they run the ball? And two

688
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: you look at the depth chart, You're like, well, they

689
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Speaker 1: only got one guy who's a lock. Then they got

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00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: these other guys you could make the roster. Or if

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Speaker 1: I was a defensive lineman, where do you want to

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Speaker 1: go to a place with a shitty defensive line? Would

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Speaker 1: you rather get drafted? You know, pick I don't even

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Speaker 1: know how many picks are on the draft. Let's just

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Speaker 1: I'll just pick an even number. It changes by the year, right,

696
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Speaker 1: two fifty. Let's just say two fifty, So two fifty

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Speaker 1: is the last draft pick? Would you rather be the

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00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: two hundred and forty seventh pick. Again, I know this

699
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Speaker 1: number might be wrong, but let's just say two hundred

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Speaker 1: and forty seventh pick by the Philadelphia Eagles and be

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Speaker 1: a defensive lineman and be like, well, they might have

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Speaker 1: the defensive defensive line in the draft or in the league,

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Speaker 1: or the Niners or just a team with a fantastic

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Speaker 1: defensive line. Or would you rather be an undrafted free

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Speaker 1: agent so you don't get drafted and be like, who's

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00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: got the shittiest pass rush? Right, Raiders, whoever? You know?

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00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: And pick that team. I think is pretty clear what

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00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: you'd want to do. You want to go to the

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Speaker 1: best place to give yourself self a chance to succeed. Now,

710
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Speaker 1: big picture, it's hard to make the NFL, so I

711
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: think you can play that game. And sometimes it's completely obvious, right,

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Speaker 1: you would rather as a seventh round quarterback go to

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Speaker 1: a place like I'm trying to just think off the

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Speaker 1: top of my head. Let's just pick a team the

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Speaker 1: Bills that just like I might be able to make

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Speaker 1: the team. Then go to a place with like four

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Speaker 1: court like the forty nine ers. You wouldn't want the forty

718
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Speaker 1: nineers to draft you because you're not gonna be able

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Speaker 1: to make the fifty three man roster, as you know,

720
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Speaker 1: based on this year. Obviously Perty did last year. But

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Speaker 1: even last year with Perty, if it was up to party,

722
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Speaker 1: would he have chose the forty nine ers? You know,

723
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Speaker 1: they had Trey Lance. They had just given two million

724
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Speaker 1: dollars to Sudfeld, so he was gonna be the third

725
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Speaker 1: pick or the third quarterback. Now he turns out he

726
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Speaker 1: beat Sudfeld out. But I don't think you would choose

727
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Speaker 1: that team. You would rather go to a place where

728
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Speaker 1: they had a set veteran and then maybe an older

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Speaker 1: guy who might not be that good. If that's if

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Speaker 1: I explain that. Well, but you see, also it's kind

731
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Speaker 1: of easy to overthink it. Every few years, a new

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Speaker 1: position is coveted by teams in the NFL. What position

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Speaker 1: do you see being the next position? Similar to wide

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Speaker 1: receiver the last few years, Well, I think you can

735
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: never have enough inside pass rushers. But you'd argue those

736
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Speaker 1: are always coveted, right. I mean, the reason wide receivers

737
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Speaker 1: are more coveted now than maybe years in the past

738
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Speaker 1: is because it's a passing game. So who impacts the

739
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Speaker 1: passing game wide receivers, tight ends quarterbacks, offensive tackles, pass rushers, corners.

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Speaker 1: All those guys are in demand. I think it just

741
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Speaker 1: depends on specific schemes that are having a lot of success.

742
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Speaker 1: You know, forever everyone wants Pete Carroll had a lot

743
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Speaker 1: of success with Lob and those guys became head coaches

744
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,959
Speaker 1: across the league. What happened everyone and want Everyone wanted tall,

745
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: bump and run corners, So it changes. I don't have

746
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: a great answer for you there. Okay, last one. Any

747
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: thoughts on the Spurs winning the draft lottery and do

748
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Speaker 1: you think this prolonged Pop staying on as coach as

749
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: he's been discussing retirement for years. One thing I think

750
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: is funny, and this is why I think some coaches

751
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: are better at it than others. Of working the media.

752
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: It's weird, right. Pop's an asshole to reporters on the sideline.

753
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: He has had two of the most famous tank jobs

754
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: in NBA history, but because he's won, no one ever

755
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: looks at him like a tanker. We tanked for Duncan,

756
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: he obviously tanked this year, Yet when other teams tank,

757
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: we shit on him and destroy him. Pop Can kind

758
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: of get away from it now. It worked and The

759
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: thing with the NBA lottery is they I'll give Adam

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00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: Silver credit on this one. He changed the odds. So

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Speaker 1: just because forever you had a huge advantage if you

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Speaker 1: had one of the best records, right, you're basically guarante

763
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Speaker 1: to be a top three pick. Well, now the team's

764
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: with the worst records, I'm pretty sure they were just

765
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: fourth and fifth Detroit. You know you're not guaranteed anything.

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Speaker 1: So there's clearly luck involved. One take on the prospect.

767
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: He clearly, like I'm not gonna try to zag on

768
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: this one, he's clearly, you know, an elite prospect by

769
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Speaker 1: all NBA personnel. When you do look at him, how

770
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Speaker 1: often does a guy that size, You know, Kevin Durant

771
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: is like at an all time outlier, right to be

772
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Speaker 1: that tall, that fluid, that athletic and be that skilled

773
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: as like he's like Steph Curry but he's seven feet

774
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Speaker 1: tall and he can play defense. You know, this guy

775
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 1: seven foot five. The concern for me would just be

776
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Speaker 1: does that body is that just too big? As crazy

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00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: as that sounds, is that too big? Think about Yao Ming.

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00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: When he was healthy, it was like Jesus, this guy

779
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: was he was really turning into just an unstoppable player,

780
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Speaker 1: but his body couldn't hold up. Now he's bigger, had

781
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: more carried more weight, but that would concern me. Now,

782
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: obviously you take the guy number one overall. I do

783
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: think the pressure on this guy is beyond iments. You know,

784
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: when I was thinking the other day, like, who are

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Speaker 1: the best prospects of like my adult life? So from

786
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Speaker 1: like you know, high school on the early two thousands

787
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Speaker 1: till now you Lebron, I'd put Andrew Lock. You know,

788
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Speaker 1: Bryce Harper. I mean, the dude was on Sports Illustrated

789
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: in like high school and he's lived up to it. MVPs.

790
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Speaker 1: He's a three hundred million dollars player. He's fucking awesome.

791
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Speaker 1: Even Anthony Davis was a pretty elite prospect led Kentucky

792
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Speaker 1: number one overall pick. When you watch him play when

793
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: he's on, you know, he's just an elite player. Like

794
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Speaker 1: anything less than just every year being like an All

795
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: NBA guy is a complete disappointment, right, Like the pressure

796
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: on Trevor Lawrence. Anything but seven eight Pro Bowls moving

797
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: forward and he plays in a conference would be disappointing.

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Speaker 1: Giving the given the hype because it's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: he's right there with Andrew lock Well, Andrew Luck, who,

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Speaker 1: while he did retire early, went to like four Pro

801
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Speaker 1: Bowls in five or six years, you know, and he

802
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: was kicking ass and taking names and winning. It was

803
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: clear Andrew Luck was sweet immediately, right Lebron Bryce Harper,

804
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: So this guy, you better be sweet immediately because the

805
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: hype on him is outrageous now, you know, it's classic TV, right,

806
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: people are arguing most is he more hype prospect than Lebron?

807
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: Of course not Lebron. He was Lebron translated better. You're

808
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: like six ' eight, that big, that athletic. When have

809
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 1: we ever seen a guy this tall? It's just it's

810
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: very He's just an outlier body type, and sometimes outlier

811
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Speaker 1: body types more often than not, they don't work besides

812
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: some highlights. It's not like I scouted the guy, but

813
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: I just i'd be a little nervous as health wise,

814
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: and I had the hype. Is everyone says he's gonna

815
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Speaker 1: live up to it. We'll see fascinating to watch is

816
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: what makes sports fun. That's what's fun about drafts, right,

817
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: p on individual players. You know, Pop won't be there

818
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: much longer, But I just I do think the Spurs

819
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: get a little bit of a pass though they've tanked,

820
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: not consistently like sam Hinky, but they've done it. They

821
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Speaker 1: definitely did it this year, and when it works out,

822
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Speaker 1: everyone celebrates you, especially in a draft where you don't

823
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: even need to think, the problem for Samhnky is he

824
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: kept tanking and then he had to think, and he

825
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: didn't pick the right guys. Besides Joel Embiid, he just

826
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Speaker 1: wasn't picking the right players. This one is just a

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Speaker 1: beepy fast you don't even need to think where It's

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Speaker 1: like next year you get the number one overall pick.

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Speaker 1: It's like, Okayleb Williams, Okay, Audios, have a good weekend.

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Speaker 1: Talk soon. Peace The Volume Z