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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Left That's Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My guest today is a special treat, truly legendary skier

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Speaker 1: Bode Miller. Good to have here. How's it going? How

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Speaker 1: often do you ski these days? More or less every day?

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Speaker 1: So did you go out today? I didn't. Today was

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Speaker 1: one of my one of my bad bad days. Um,

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Speaker 1: I was on in front of this computer all day,

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Speaker 1: which is my least favorite thing. Maybe, but um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's usually it's been. I probably had fifty five days

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Speaker 1: this year, so it's it's a lot. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: not it's not what it used to be. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a lot of skiing. Okay, do you still enjoy

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Speaker 1: it as much? As much? As pretty subjective? But I

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Speaker 1: enjoy it a lot. I enjoy going with my kids

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Speaker 1: and just parting around. I can ski with with anybody

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Speaker 1: and have a good time. I think more or less

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Speaker 1: I liked outside. I would be a really good golf caddy. Um.

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Speaker 1: I I golf a lot, and I could give two

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Speaker 1: ships about hitting the ball. I just like being outside

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Speaker 1: and walking around. So I think as a caddy, i'd

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Speaker 1: carry the bag and kid give advice and um enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: Probably three times more than I enjoy golf, but um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I still you know, the other day we had a

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Speaker 1: little powder and I and I ran a couple of

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Speaker 1: steep shoots with a good young friend of mine who's

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Speaker 1: I've known since he was born, um since he's twenty

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Speaker 1: years younger than me, and my older sister's best friend's kid,

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Speaker 1: and it was there was a unique pleasure that I

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Speaker 1: don't know that I've ever really felt before seeing a

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Speaker 1: kid who I knew from when he was born and

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Speaker 1: I was a huge influence on his life being that

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Speaker 1: We're from the same town and watching him, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: just kill these shoots at at Yellowstone and Big Sky,

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Speaker 1: and um, there's definitely a special pleasure of that, but

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Speaker 1: I enjoy just all of it about skiing. Now, I

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Speaker 1: certainly skied Big s guy. What shoots did you ski?

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Speaker 1: In this case, we were actually we hiked were way

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Speaker 1: over on the Dakota side, so the side that faces

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Speaker 1: kind of the south, and and uh we we rode

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Speaker 1: up Dakota, we rode up um Shed Horn, and we

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Speaker 1: hiked up a little bit and then we traversed far

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Speaker 1: uh limits are, and we we ran a couple of

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Speaker 1: I don't know if they even have names over there.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that anybody really gets to him because

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Speaker 1: you have to go off the tram and ski down

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Speaker 1: Dakota Bowl. But that that wasn't the better stuff. Honestly.

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Speaker 1: The better stuff was in y c Um just off

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Speaker 1: of the shoulder there, and we we went over to

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Speaker 1: there's Pinnacle and Corner Pocket and they're just you know,

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Speaker 1: they're short and easy, which is perfect for me because

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Speaker 1: my I'm not as fit as I once was, so

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Speaker 1: it's nice that I'm not doing four thousand continuous vertical,

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Speaker 1: But um, it was. It was. It was awesome to

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Speaker 1: watch somebody who had known since they were a kid

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Speaker 1: ski and a lot of ways better than I was. Now.

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Speaker 1: I've certainly skied a ton, not as much to you,

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Speaker 1: but at this point in time, unless it's a really

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Speaker 1: enjoyable if I'm with somebody. Is that also your experience?

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Speaker 1: I like both, honestly, I think for me I'm not

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Speaker 1: a I'm not a meditative person um in terms of

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Speaker 1: really kind of born into it. I you know, skied

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Speaker 1: you know, the Hong Kong share was twelve minutes. So

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Speaker 1: I had these intermittent blocks between active action where I'm

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Speaker 1: So I think I I revert back to that really easily.

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Speaker 1: So for me, skiing alone is different, I think than

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Speaker 1: really I didn't expect to enjoy it as much as

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Speaker 1: if you've gotten frostbite, and to what degrees your body

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Speaker 1: my matches that you can see in the background here,

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Speaker 1: I'm super thankful, remarkably lucky considering the crashes I took,

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Speaker 1: in the longevity of my career in a really high risk,

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Speaker 1: low margin, high consequence sport. But in terms of frost

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Speaker 1: ray nods. I don't know if you know ray nods.

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Speaker 1: I know what you're talking about, kind of a circulatory anomaly,

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Speaker 1: but done correctly and managed correctly. I think reynods is

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Speaker 1: the pool in California and it's probably pools eighty degrees

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Speaker 1: dexterity goes away. But they don't get frostbite ever. I mean,

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Speaker 1: little bits of frost bit on my knuckles from you know,

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Speaker 1: certain things, but in general, compared to the people around

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Speaker 1: four or five hours at a time in minus thirty, um,

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Speaker 1: I was remarkably lucky. And I think that Ray nods

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Speaker 1: actually because the cat larry reflects where everything trunches down somehow,

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Speaker 1: it actually prevents prospect to some degree. Wow, that's pretty interesting. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's my own philosophy. You can. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: get too scientific on you. No, plenty, Scientifically that's what's great. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you have a new education initiative can you tell us

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Speaker 1: about that? Yeah, I see l is in STU for

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Speaker 1: civic leadership. It comes really I'm I'm sort of the

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Speaker 1: They've been online for roughly twenty years. UM. The Spawn

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Speaker 1: family has been stewards of Dwight Academy or Dwight Schools

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Speaker 1: and the Dwight Schools have been around for a hundred

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Speaker 1: incredible quality of school and educational purpose and drive and

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Speaker 1: also human development. Really, they they put kids in the

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Speaker 1: top colleges around the world all the time. But more

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Speaker 1: than that, they're developing leaderships, pills and uh community UM

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Speaker 1: responsibility and accountability, all that stuff. So we intended to

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Speaker 1: online initiative just to give parents a better opportunity to

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Speaker 1: really struggling to transition to online learning for these kids,

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Speaker 1: and um, you know, I see all have been doing

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Speaker 1: been incredible to engage these kids. We have fifty years

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Speaker 1: of this COVID debacle. Okay, what specifically is different about

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Speaker 1: this academy. Uh So, it's an inverted blended curriculum, which

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Speaker 1: means essentially each kid is obligated to somewhere between an

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Speaker 1: inverted part. The teacher actually just facilitates conversation between the kids.

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Speaker 1: I give them training, um missions and and and affiliate

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Speaker 1: ski racers or is it for the general public. No,

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Speaker 1: for acting, for who knows what. But um, the Winter

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Speaker 1: an in. And then I had to you know, I

429
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Speaker 1: lived with a day student twenty miles away from school,

430
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 1: off in the woods with no no access by car. Um.

431
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 1: That was my first year at c v A, and

432
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,200
Speaker 1: I only went for the winter term. So I went

433
00:21:56,280 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 1: November and came back, and I guess March um and uh,

434
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 1: and I had to work all summer to pay it off.

435
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,400
Speaker 1: So I paid paid my own way with help from

436
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,440
Speaker 1: some of the locals in my town. But it was, yeah,

437
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 1: it was it was scratching at that point. What did

438
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,679
Speaker 1: your father do for a living having dropped out of

439
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 1: medical school, professional hippie? He? Uh. He and my mom

440
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 1: were together till I was six, and then they separated

441
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 1: and he went down to Tennessee primarily because he was

442
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 1: unhappy and I think had had had had had several

443
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:34,880
Speaker 1: you know, early seventies, mid seventies affairs, but also um,

444
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,159
Speaker 1: he had missed out on He he invented foot spars,

445
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 1: which were these date fig maple syrup, a bunch of

446
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 1: different nuts in this tiny little rapper bar. And this

447
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 1: is in nineteen seventy nine probably, and uh that's pre

448
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 1: power bar, pre everything else. He if you went back

449
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 1: through his his life from just before I was born,

450
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 1: he he invented six or seven things that turned into

451
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,359
Speaker 1: billion dollar industries. And he was way ahead of the curve.

452
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 1: But his lack of ability to see things through or

453
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 1: or do the steps that maybe weren't as fun for him. Uh,

454
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,880
Speaker 1: prevented him from ever monetizing anything. So then he when

455
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 1: he separated from my mom, which I think, as I said,

456
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 1: was not to go make money, but that was part

457
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 1: of the excuse. He went down to Tennessee and was

458
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 1: a tree route, so he would climb up in huge

459
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: trees along these big mansion uh driveways and outside of Nashville,

460
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 1: and he he'd clean up the trees and make sure

461
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 1: branches were going to break people's houses and cars. And

462
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 1: UM he did that for I think five or six

463
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,239
Speaker 1: years down there, and then uh ended up moving back up.

464
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 1: Now he's he worked. Phrase he was a homeless outreach

465
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 1: worker for fifteen years in New England. UM, he still

466
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 1: maintains his very hippie hippie approach. He's never really made

467
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 1: made any money. Okay, if you're at Cara Bassett, you

468
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 1: get out from under the bad coach. You're there, Hey,

469
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 1: do you fit in these the coaching beneficial? UM? I

470
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 1: would say fit in fine because I love sports and

471
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: I was a hard worker. UM coaching was still problematic

472
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,199
Speaker 1: because I was bad. Uh you know that the end

473
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: of that first year, UM, I didn't really have any

474
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,880
Speaker 1: good results to speak of. Uh. Certain coaches could see

475
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: that I had a lot of ross speed and I

476
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: was naturally very athletic um. But they they sat me

477
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: down after the first year, and again keep in mind,

478
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: I was I was getting up at four thirty in

479
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 1: the morning, doing chores, getting on a snowbile, snowbiling six

480
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 1: miles along these crazy main trails into Kingfield, hitching a

481
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,400
Speaker 1: ride with some worker or employee up to carabast, getting

482
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: there in time for morning meeting, going through classes, going

483
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 1: to hill training classes, come back down, get in a

484
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: car eighteen miles back down to the Kingfield, back on

485
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 1: a snowobile six miles through the woods, chores, homework, dinner,

486
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,959
Speaker 1: bed and doing that over and over again. And I

487
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: was with another student who was two years older than me,

488
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: but then he would go off on fist racing trips

489
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 1: for a week and a half two weeks, so I'd

490
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: be on my own. So I was, you know, fourteen

491
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,640
Speaker 1: years old, driving my own snowobile through six miles from

492
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: the woods like rickety ass. And at the end of

493
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 1: that year I had they had like an intervention. They

494
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: sat down with the Dina students, UM all the coaches

495
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 1: and they said, look, you're lazy and you. You suck

496
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,199
Speaker 1: at skiing, You're never gonna be any good. Um, we

497
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: don't like your attitude. You don't, you don't really you know,

498
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: show a lot of like initiative enthusiasm. If you switch

499
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: to snowboarding, we'll give you a full ride back to school,

500
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: you'll live in the dorm next year, won't pay anything

501
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 1: all set. Um. I was good at snowboarding. I'd grown

502
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 1: up snowboarding and we had an all school snowboard races.

503
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 1: What inspired this is I was like second or third

504
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,439
Speaker 1: and one of the runs and the that we had

505
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: the best snowboards in the country at that time, and

506
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 1: they went around the circle and basically all just just

507
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: pop my balloon, like talk about p in the serial.

508
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: It was. It was brutal, and I was happy not

509
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: to have broken down and cried right there, because it

510
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: was pretty brutal because I I was doing double what

511
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: any other student in the school was doing, minus the

512
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 1: dude who was my my sort of I guess housemate,

513
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: but he was even doing less than I wasn't he's

514
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 1: a couple of years older, so um. But I reflected

515
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: on that thought about a bunch and then told him

516
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: the pounds and and that if they needed to charge

517
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: me more to come back to school, i'd I'd figure

518
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: out a way to pay it. And I wanted to

519
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 1: be a ski racer and snowboarding was not what I

520
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 1: wanted to do, so um yeah, I fit in, but

521
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: I was still definitely defiant and definitely was not fitting

522
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: into the system the way they wanted to. And I said, look,

523
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: you guys, I suck now. I'll give you that. You're

524
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: not wrong, but I'm gonna be better when I'm fifteen,

525
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be better when i'm eighteen, and when

526
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: i'm twenty you'll start to see how good I can be.

527
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: That's what it's gonna take. And I apologize if that's

528
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: too long a timeline for you guys, but you know,

529
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: I've known this for ten years at that point, since

530
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 1: I was six or seven when I talked to my

531
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: grandmother about it a bunch and I said, look, it's

532
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 1: not important how good I am when I'm fifty and

533
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of prize money there, and if

534
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: you win races, you know, it's it's a different deal.

535
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 1: I need to be good when I'm when I'm old

536
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 1: enough to be successful in the world stage. Okay, ultimately

537
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: you were, but you know, you have a unique style,

538
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: and certainly I grew up in the area. Was your

539
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: in the are of first your skis were together, then

540
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: racers were a part and they had changed in equipment.

541
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: Was the coaching ever helpful or really you were coaching

542
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: yourself and you had the benefit of them setting the

543
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 1: gates up and logistics. I would say both. I mean,

544
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: I think the coaching was very rarely helpful in the

545
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: immediate term. I think the coaching was really helpful long term,

546
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: over over one or two year span where I listened

547
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: to everything and I retain information really well, and mostly

548
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: what I was doing. The way that I developed, in

549
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: the way that I learned things was by watching other people.

550
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: I would watch somebody who I liked a certain thing.

551
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: They could be worse than I did than I was

552
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 1: at that time, but I liked specifically the way they

553
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 1: moved into a turn. And I had a very good

554
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: understanding of of sort of the biomechanics of skiing and

555
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: how did underrate speed. And that's one thing that I

556
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: wasn't willing to give up, and that was always a

557
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: pushback from the coaches. They wanted me to do manually

558
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: adjust certain things, and I said, I can't do those

559
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: things because it'll cost me these things that I need

560
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: to keep alive because if I if I kill him,

561
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I'll have arrest resurrect them later. And

562
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 1: those are the most important things. So UM, the coaching,

563
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: I would say in hindsight, was a lot of it

564
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: was UM was emotional arousal control and races patients. I

565
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: learned a lot of that stuff from those coaches, and

566
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: I had some amazing coaches up at t v A.

567
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: From a technical standpoint, I don't think I learned that much. Okay,

568
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,959
Speaker 1: speaking of technical standpoint, you had a breakthrough. You were

569
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: in the U S Nationals I believe it was, and

570
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: used the K two for which was a shaped recreational ski.

571
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: How did you decide to do that? I've been a snowboarder, um,

572
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: as I said. They tried to get me a switch

573
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: of snowboarding in ninth grade. This is all the way

574
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: into my senior year, and I've been working on rage

575
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: tore me who was a K two rep uh and

576
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: the East Coast too. Raised with my uncle, so I had,

577
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: you know, kind of a little extra credibility with him

578
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: and he's a great dude. And uh, I'd cut a snowboard,

579
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: alpine snowboard in half and mounted mounted ski bindings on

580
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: it and flipped the edges so that I had one

581
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: side cut edge and then one raw band sad edge.

582
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: If you touch that to the snow, you crashed immediately.

583
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: And I was arcing turns and I had George watched me,

584
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: and I said, George, we need to build a shape ski.

585
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: I was always trying to innovate. It was during that

586
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: time we had Derby flex and higher lifters, and the

587
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: one thing that was missing was more side cut. And

588
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: you could clearly see that snowboarders could turns all day

589
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: that it would have been happening for years, and we

590
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: just hadn't done in skiing. So George said, hey, we

591
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: tried that in the seventies. It didn't work. I was like, well,

592
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: you tried it wrong, let's try it again. And um,

593
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: I had worked on him for two years. Finally he

594
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: got them to build a semblance of of what I'd

595
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: asked for. And I did everything from exact construction. I

596
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: wanted a cap construction to give torsional stiffness, and I

597
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: was in mechanical drawing and all that stuff. So I

598
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: was doing at a on board and I was drawing

599
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: everything out and um, finally he built them, and uh,

600
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: the day that I got them, it changed really changed

601
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: the sport. Um Alan had been developing their shape ski

602
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: during that same phase, but no one had skied on

603
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: it yet, and races, no one had really experimented with it.

604
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,719
Speaker 1: So the K two four was the first ski that

605
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: I had really developed um and forced through and I

606
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: raced on it in the Junior Olympics and I won

607
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: the Super G by two point you know, seven seconds,

608
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: and I was more than five seconds ahead before I crashed.

609
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: I went on my hip a couple of times on

610
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: the bottom and lost a ton of time, but still

611
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: ended up winning by almost three seconds, and then won

612
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: the Giant Sloan by over two seconds as well with

613
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: several crashes, and the Giant Slam as well. So that

614
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: really shocked people and opened the eyes and put the

615
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: you know, the magnifying glass on K two. And then

616
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: the next year, everybody, I didn't use those skis in

617
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: the nationals. That's that's a common mistake. I was only

618
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: in the nationals for Giant slom and and slom and

619
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: I crashed in the gs and blew out. And then

620
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: and the slalom, I used the traditional ski. My my

621
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: slalom ski was the same length as my K two four,

622
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: so I was using the same length and slalom and

623
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: gs and uh and I'm pulled off a really magical

624
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: um run from way back in the pack and finished

625
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: third to objectively qualified for the team. If I hadn't

626
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: objectively qualified, there was zero chance they were taking me

627
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: on the team. Okay, so you are partially responsible for

628
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: the development of the K four K two four. Yeah, yeah,

629
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: And I think I mean not to split hairs. But

630
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even say partially. I would say, uh, you know,

631
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: nineties seven percent. They fought me on it for two years.

632
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: I've been pushing it. I gave George the snowboard. I

633
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: showed him the side cut, I showed him everything. I

634
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: cut the snowboard even thinner, and that screwed it up.

635
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: And I said, this is what you did in the

636
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: seventies when you tried shape skis. You didn't have the torsion.

637
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: If I left the snowboard as half, I had a

638
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: raw edge of wood that i'd bands on, and then

639
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: a side cut finished edge. I could arc turns on

640
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: that if I cut off another half of that to

641
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: make it the width of a normal race ski. Its

642
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: skied like ship because it was too torsionately weak. It

643
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: would twist too much, and that's what they had messed up.

644
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: So I said, you know, I really worked hard on

645
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: him for two years, and I will say, of all

646
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: my qualities, my persistence and stubbornness are are two of

647
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: my elite level of qualities. And I just wore them down, honestly.

648
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: And he finally went in there and said, look, dude,

649
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: we gotta build these skis. And they didn't even really

650
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: tell him. He said, it's a Rex ski. It'll be awesome.

651
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: We'll try it. They built him and they sold out

652
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: across the country in a week and a half. Okay,

653
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: let's talk about equipment. You were with numerous companies. You

654
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: started with Fisher, you went to ros and y'all. You

655
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: were Thetomic, you went to Head. Is there really any difference.

656
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: Let's just start with the skis themselves opposed to the boots.

657
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: Is there really any difference or you can get in

658
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: and make the ski work for you. No, it's a

659
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: massive difference, massive difference. I mean the engineers are are

660
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: different philosophically, the equipment, the layoup process side cuts there.

661
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: There's a huge prints also that they became systems pretty early,

662
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: where a boot, binding plate, ski all work together, and

663
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: if you didn't have that right you could really screwed up.

664
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: But keep in mind before that, I skied on UM

665
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: K two Olwen Rosignal previous to World Cup racing. This

666
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: is through my sort of high school years. UM. I

667
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: skied on uh Nasal, I skied on Atomic twice, really

668
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: two different versions there. UM, and I gravitated towards K

669
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: two because of the relationship with George, and I was

670
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: able to get better skis and then UM. But yeah,

671
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: the difference from KTU to Fisher was was night and day.

672
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: I mean it was a huge I would have had

673
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: a really, really really hard time trying to win a

674
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: World Cup race that I stayed on K two my

675
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: entire career, UM, regardless of my own engineering prowess or

676
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: anything else. Fisher I had the ability to win races

677
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: that year. Um, then Rosignal I had the ability to

678
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: win races and start moving into speed effectively, so into

679
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: super ge downhill, and then UM from from Rozzie. Is

680
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: when I kind of I wouldn't say sold out, but

681
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: switched to Atomic where I knew I was do. I

682
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: was physically finally mature and strong enough, and um, I

683
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: knew I could be a world beater. So I switched

684
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: to Atomic and that's when I won, you know, the

685
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: Wired to wire overall World Cup and all the events

686
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: in seventeen days, you know. Um. And then and then

687
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: after that was more of I wanted to develop skis

688
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: and fell in with Head and stayed with them for

689
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: three years. Okay, let's start with Fisher. Okay, I agree,

690
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: totally ski ski totally different. I happen to like the

691
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: French skis. I like something a little bit more alive.

692
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: But at World Cup level you're not skiing on retail skis.

693
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: So when we talk about Fisher, would you tell them

694
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: how to make the skis or they just had a

695
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: bunch of skis? You tested them and you skied what

696
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: you liked. No. By that point I had a very

697
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: clear idea. That was a big part of it is

698
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: K two was actually pulling away from World Cup, and

699
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 1: it was almost mandatory. I switched. And when I went

700
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: to several companies which I was in demand. I could

701
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: have switched to several UM. I told Fisher, will you

702
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,919
Speaker 1: build me this exact slom ski? This is the ski

703
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: it needs to be, this, this fiberglass, this top sheet,

704
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 1: this side cut, this would core this many laminates across.

705
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: Will you build me this? And they said, yeah, it's

706
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: not gonna work, but we'll build it for you. And

707
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: I said, okay, build it for me. And UM that

708
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: was that was a dealmaker because the other companies were

709
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: at that time this is you know, in two thousand,

710
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: UM I was. I didn't have the credibility and the

711
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: industry wasn't prepared to take that type of input from

712
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: the athletes. They would take, as you said, they'd give

713
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: them five pairs, which do you like best? And then

714
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 1: they would go back and try to figure out which

715
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: materials to change to make the new ones better and

716
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: all that. So, UM, that was the very beginning of that.

717
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: And I wanted a company that was going to do

718
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: exactly what I said, and Fisher offered to do that, UM,

719
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: and so I went. And actually that was the beginning

720
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: of a massive revolution in the sport where within two

721
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: years every company had their athletes in the actual ski

722
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: room showing them fiberglass, showing them metals, and trying to

723
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: figure out because there was a huge gap between what

724
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: you felt on the hill and what the engineer decided

725
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: was going to impact that feeling. There. There's there's thirty

726
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: ways to skin a cat in that case, and they

727
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 1: just had too big a gap. So we closed that

728
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: gap right up, okay, slowly. How and why did you

729
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: decide to switch to Rozzie. I decided because of one

730
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: particular gs ski, so I'd want a couple of slams

731
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: on Fisher. I had won a couple of gs is.

732
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: Um the ski was already going down the path that

733
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: we ended up on then now, which is a very

734
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: tiptail ski, so you could feel the very very tip

735
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: of the ski engaged in the snow, and if it

736
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: hit a bump, it would deflect and you'd lose radios,

737
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: so it would flap down and it would just and

738
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: I skied on Nordica, I skied on Razzie, I skied

739
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: on Dinas Star And the rosignal skis that they had

740
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: for me at that time was a complete anomaly in

741
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,919
Speaker 1: the irony, As this has happened to me several times.

742
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: They built five pairs. So it's a prototype run of

743
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: a ski and they said, have body test these keys. Um,

744
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 1: they couldn't get the I don't know if you remember Rozzie.

745
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: At that time, they had a V A S plate.

746
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: It's this little metal plate that's stuck on the top

747
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: of the ski. They couldn't get that plate to stick

748
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: to the aluminum which is right under the top sheet,

749
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: and then the felt it was metal on metal and

750
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: it would just fly off. And so they actually on

751
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: that particular batch, they said, well, ship will just cut

752
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 1: a hole in the aluminium, will will stick that thing

753
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 1: through that hole to the aluminium, will glue it onto

754
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: the wood below, and it worked perfect. So stayed on.

755
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: I got all five of those pairs of skis. I

756
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: broke one immediately actually in the testing program. But because

757
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: they cut that hole in the top layer of aluminum,

758
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: they created a bit of a hinge point in the

759
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: ski right there, and you had this unbelievable grip point

760
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: just in front of the binding. So if you slid

761
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: into a turn in chundery, you know, icy conditions, you

762
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: had this grip point right in front of the binding

763
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: that you could always rely on. And the tip wasn't

764
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: even the part grabbing you pulled radius that was disproportionate

765
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: to your side cut because the tip was actually not

766
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: doing it. It was just folding in this tiny little

767
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: space right in front of the binding and you just

768
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 1: it was like a hockey skate. And I I didn't

769
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:28,919
Speaker 1: know at the time that that was the only five

770
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: pairs in existence. UH three M who was their glue

771
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: provider at that time, gave them glue that worked. They

772
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: built every ski from that point forward without cutting a

773
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 1: hole in the aluminum because now the metal stuck to

774
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: the metal and stayed on there perfectly. And we spent

775
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 1: two years trying to figure out why my race skis

776
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: were the best skis ever built, and every other pair

777
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: they built was garbage compared to it. So um that

778
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: one ski was the reason. It was everything I've been

779
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: looking for. And I went one the g S title

780
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: against one of the strongest giants long and fields that

781
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: that's been around, um you know, Herman Benny Reich, uh

782
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: Shaun Felder, Pollander, uh d d A Couch Um Niberg

783
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: eber Harder. It was like the powerhouse of g skiing

784
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: at that time. For me to win was something that

785
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been able to do with any other

786
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: ski company at that time. Okay, now from a retail level,

787
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: Rozzie's in Atomic Sky radically differently. Did you experience that,

788
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: You say you went for the money, but that's a

789
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: big switch. No, I didn't. I mean you mean when

790
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: I supposed to Atomic. No. That was one of the

791
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: great regrets in my career looking back, was that I

792
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: went to Atomic. They paid me half as much as

793
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: Rossie did, and a quarter as much as Nordica was

794
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 1: offering me at that time. A quarter. I would have

795
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: had the biggest contract there's ever been in ski racing

796
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: by going to Nordica. But Um in Nordica had almad

797
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 1: at that time he was just kind of phasing out.

798
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: I would have had an amazing quiver of skis. They

799
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: were good in four events. I could have stayed on

800
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,720
Speaker 1: Nordica boots Um. There was a lot there that that really,

801
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 1: in hindsight, I would love to know would have happened

802
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: had I made that switch. But the Atomics I was

803
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: on at that time with the Beta, so that was

804
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: that that little arch top they had two aluminum tubes

805
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: in there. That Beta did the same thing that Rozzie

806
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: cutting the hole in their ski did, but a different way.

807
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: It created a torsional imbalance between those two tubes that

808
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: were longitudinally very stiff. The ski was was really stiff,

809
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: but tortially all the way up until the binding. The

810
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: ski actually rotated this way because there were two separate

811
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: tubes that moved independently, and that that was a remarkable

812
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: g ski. Um. It was the second best GSK I'd

813
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: ever been on. And I wanted Atomic because of super

814
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: G downhill. I was willing to suck in slam and

815
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: and figure it out, but I wanted super G downhill

816
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: because what I was on on Rosenal was not allowed

817
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: me to move into downhill SUPERG. But I wasn't competitive

818
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: and you know again I can't second guess myself. And

819
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: that I got on Atomic built my first pair of

820
00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 1: boots was down in Cheon in Chile, south of Santiago Go.

821
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: And I didn't lose a run of supergier downhill skiing

822
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 1: against the entire French team Darren, my own team, who

823
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: was who was strong at that time, UM for for

824
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: a month and a half and I didn't I didn't

825
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: lose a single run. I mean, so it was kind

826
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: of a I wish I knew what would happen if

827
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: I had made a different choice, But it was a

828
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: very strong switch. Okay, when you were there, certainly the Austrians,

829
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: an Austrian company, Herman Meyer, et cetera. You're kind of

830
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: further down the totem pole. Does that affect what equipment

831
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: you get in, what attention you get? Yeah, that was

832
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: a big part of the oh six Olympic debacle. Um

833
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: I built a supergee ski. There was also a downhill

834
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 1: ski UM in in say September, and UH and they

835
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: politically there was shenanigans there. They the Austrian team, which

836
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: basically controls the Austrian factory, UH, took those skis test them.

837
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: They couldn't figure them out, which is I wasn't trying

838
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 1: to do intentionally, but there was a very specific way

839
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: those skis need to be too and and mounted to

840
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: work right, and they couldn't figure it out. So they

841
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: kept trying and kept trying them. No guy could make

842
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: them work. They were super fast on the flats, but

843
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 1: they couldn't figure out to make them turn. And they

844
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: held those all the way until two days before the

845
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: Olympic downhill UM and then they gave him to me

846
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: and Darren because they knew that I wouldn't be able

847
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: to resist trying them and they felt like that would

848
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: be a distraction. Darren and I were the two strongest

849
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 1: downhillers really in the world at that point, and uh,

850
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: and they wanted every advantage they could get, and that

851
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: political Shenanigan's upset both of us. We ended up racing

852
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: on the same pair of skis Darren and I. I

853
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: skied first, I was starting before him. They ran the

854
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: skis up the chairlift. He they re finished them at

855
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: the start and he ran the same skis and unfortunately,

856
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: lack of experience on them and all that we we

857
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: didn't have success in the downhill. I won the combined

858
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: downhill against the same field a day later by a second. Um. So,

859
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, they were successful in in thwarding

860
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: our our stuff. But uh, that was a piece of

861
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: why I was so petulant and upset during that oh

862
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: six Olympics, because my team didn't go to bat for me,

863
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: and I was just, uh, yeah, I was taking advantage

864
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: of it away. How long does a pear of race

865
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: skis last depends on how good year keeping them safe.

866
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: My my Rozzie's ice skied on the same pair of

867
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: race skis the entire first year and say six of

868
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: eight races the second year one and would but I wouldn't.

869
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't. I wouldn't train on them. I wouldn't

870
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 1: bring them out for anything. I wouldn't even bring my

871
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: training skis out to train on. I would train on

872
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: other skis that I specifically tuned in a way to

873
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 1: make them more similar to my race skis, even though

874
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: I was nowhere near time wise. And we had a

875
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: little funny thing at Solden where we'd we'd do the

876
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: Austrian time trial before the first World Cup of the

877
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: year was was sold in the US had a sort

878
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: of relationship with Austria. We trained with them, and we'd

879
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: be training on it right before the time trial, and

880
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: my coaches like, dude, you're sucking, Like what's going on.

881
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: I'd like, don't worry about I'll be fine, and I'd

882
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: go out and bring out just my training skis for

883
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: the time trial. And I won that time trial. I

884
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: won both runs three years in a row, against all

885
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: the Austrians and all of our team, And then I

886
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: would put those skis away and I'd go back to

887
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: getting beat by guys on my own team, and then

888
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: I'd pull out the race skis for a race day

889
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: and and win races on them. But it's just you

890
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: have to know how to manage them, and you've gotta

891
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 1: be really careful with what you do. Even hitting hard ice,

892
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: you can't you can't jam certain ways on it. You

893
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: certainly can't hit rocks or anything else. Okay. In the

894
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 1: switch to head you were really the first big name

895
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 1: to go to head. Yeah. Johan Eliosh, who's the owner

896
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: of head Um, you know, and I got to know

897
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 1: each other a bit and he said, look, you know,

898
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: my goal is to be the number one ski company

899
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: in the world. And I was like, all right, let's

900
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: do it. I was like, if I'm gonna join you,

901
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 1: you gotta I said. I don't want to get a

902
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,919
Speaker 1: bunch of push back. I said, you know me, Uh,

903
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: if you're bringing me on for this, I can. I

904
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:49,919
Speaker 1: can get you there. You will be in the number

905
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: one ski company. When I tell you to buy this athlete,

906
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,280
Speaker 1: you don't bicker about it. You just buy that athlete.

907
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: When I tell you about build new skis in this category,

908
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: build new skis like it's gonna cost you some money,

909
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: but will get to number one. He said, I'm not

910
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: concerned about the money. Let's do it. And um, that

911
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: was an exciting fun, uh new project for me because

912
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: I was building skis not just for myself. I was

913
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: building skis for the women's team. I was building skis

914
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 1: for men's who skied very differently than I did in

915
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: some cases, were much more talented in certain areas than

916
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 1: I was. And that was that was fun. I enjoyed

917
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: that a lot. Okay, but you're essentially going, it's a

918
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: blank slate. Did you really just tell them how to

919
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: build the skis? They had did remarkable engineers. Um, you know,

920
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: Head was maybe the strongest in the entire world in

921
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: terms of their raw engineering power. What they didn't have

922
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 1: was what all these other ski companies that really capitalized

923
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: in the six years previous to that was really good

924
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: communication with top level athletes who are raising World Cup

925
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: all the time. They just didn't have the athletes, and

926
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: they didn't have a rapport or vocabulary to communicate even

927
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: with the athletes they did have, which were lower level. Um.

928
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, when I came on, I basically communicated with

929
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: those engineer it was. It was a great It was

930
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,720
Speaker 1: a great time because they understood everything I said. Nothing

931
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: was shocking. They had already done a bunch of great

932
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: things over the past years that I actually reinvigorated and said, no,

933
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: I think you were really close. This was an awesome idea.

934
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: You guys are way ahead of the curve. You just

935
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 1: have to tweak these things because here's how this feels

936
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: on the snow, and here's what you're missing. And they

937
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: could do it, you know, overnight, and then I'd moved things.

938
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: So we moved forward very quickly. Within that first year

939
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: when I switched um that was six or seven season.

940
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: We had the best speed skis on the planet that

941
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: first year because we reinvigorated the traction system with that cut.

942
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: They put this cut through the top layer and top

943
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 1: layer of aluminum and they bridge that with a piece

944
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: of aluminium underneath it. But it does that same thing.

945
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 1: It creates an inflection point in the ski and they

946
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: just hadn't quite got that right. And we got that right,

947
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: and the skew was unbelievable. What about the famous two

948
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: edge skis to I mean, like the one was on

949
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: top of another, that those work was that you know,

950
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: just get a lot of press. I think it just

951
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: got a lot of press. I mean it was you know,

952
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: there's metal slow period, like the thinner edges the better, UM.

953
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: But there's certain elements of that that I think are

954
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: gonna be relevant in the future. UM, particularly for big

955
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 1: mountain really steep stuff, having an edge that skis normally,

956
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: but having a secondary edge that comes out of your

957
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,959
Speaker 1: side wall. That's essentially for fifties six degree pitches that

958
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: what you have a grip point that's really only right

959
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: underneath your foot where you don't feel the tip or

960
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: the tail. You're you're just like a hockey skate right

961
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,439
Speaker 1: under your foot. And that can be UM, really really

962
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: important for safety when you're up on a you know,

963
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: face that you're suspended over eight hundred foot cliff and

964
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: you you know, your tip HiT's a wind drift and

965
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: your backwards and UM, I think there's a lot to that.

966
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: I think there's been some unbelievably smart creative engineers in

967
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: the sport over the last four or five decades. And

968
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: unfortunately it's it's a system. So it's kind of like

969
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: a house of cards. If you did everything right, but

970
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: one thing was wrong and the whole thing didn't work.

971
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: So in this case, a lot of it is revisiting

972
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: really old clever ideas and figuring out how to um,

973
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: you know, tweak them a little bit and see if

974
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: there's if there's value there. Okay, what about boots? What

975
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: was your revolution in boots? You certainly switched a number

976
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: of times. Yeah, and and boots roy is a frustration

977
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: point for me. I wish that, um, i'd had a

978
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: wealthy benefactor who would allowed me to build my own

979
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 1: boots UM because I felt like it's such a crazy

980
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: concept that we build this more or less chunk of

981
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 1: plastic that just bends and flexes and somehow it works.

982
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 1: And it does work, I won't deny that, but it

983
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: doesn't work as well as it should um. To me,

984
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 1: boots are much more of an engineering piece than any

985
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: other part of the system. Right is you should have

986
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: a boot that's controlled by either gas shocks, oil shocks, elastomers.

987
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 1: Something there shouldn't be just plastic. The bending and bubbling

988
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 1: where you know, in the whole front of the boot

989
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: where all the flexing and movement happens, is constantly being

990
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: open and closed to get your foot in it out

991
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: of it and like, if you buckle the buckles lightly tighter,

992
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: you get a totally different performance, you know, curved than

993
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: you would with a looser It's just to me that

994
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: was insane. So when I was on Nordica, I had

995
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 1: some breakthroughs in terms of basic understanding of what different

996
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: things could do to a boot, and that was my

997
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: favorite boot. Um. When I was on Atomic I I

998
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: did the same things and was able to create a

999
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 1: really good four event boot. I see the exact same

1000
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: boot and slomgs supertoo downhill in one uh you know,

1001
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: seven races in in fourteen days or seventeen days or something.

1002
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: So um and on the same boot, and that that

1003
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 1: was the sort of extent beyond that, I think boots

1004
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,479
Speaker 1: for garbage. So right now I see on a full tilt,

1005
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 1: which is an old rightly um from the eighties, right

1006
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: it literally is the mold from the eighties, and um

1007
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: that that boot was the best boot on the world then,

1008
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: and the only knock against it was it didn't turn

1009
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,879
Speaker 1: skis that well, and that was because the skis had

1010
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: no side cut didn't turn very well. So now I

1011
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: think that's by far the best boot on the planet.

1012
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: So that's why I use. But I am trying to

1013
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: push somebody to evolve the boot process because I think

1014
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,919
Speaker 1: there's a huge, huge capability for improvement there. Okay, specifically,

1015
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: what makes the full tilt boot better flexes straightforward, so

1016
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: you you flex linear u versus flexing out. So if

1017
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: you were to bolt your typical ski boots to the

1018
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: ground with a base down to flex forward, your knees

1019
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: have to travel out, usually ten degrees, thirteen degrees whatever,

1020
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: but they travel out, so if you're forward on the

1021
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 1: front of your boot, you're actually increasing the edge angle.

1022
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: And then when you with your knee moving in a

1023
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: linear motion straight backwards, the edge decreases an angle. Even

1024
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: though you're not decreasing your edge angle with your knees,

1025
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 1: the skis decreasing because you're coming back to a neutral spot.

1026
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: That to me, is a terrible design. It worked well

1027
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,280
Speaker 1: when the skis had no sidecut because as you drove

1028
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 1: forward you could the ski would tip way up and

1029
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,439
Speaker 1: it would cause the front to kind of turn when

1030
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: no sidecut, But now it just creates an overly aggressive

1031
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: ski that causes all kinds of problems and knee injuries

1032
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 1: and stuff. So that's one piece of it. They have

1033
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: the interchangeability. I can switch my tongue out and go

1034
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 1: from a six flex tongue to attend to a fourteen,

1035
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: and I have this your thing tongue that they made me. Um,

1036
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: they would be like the equivalent of like like a

1037
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: sixteen or seventeen or eighteen. But um, you can change

1038
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: the back the cuff the same thing. You can just

1039
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 1: pop it off and put on a different one, and

1040
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: um dramatically change the characteristics of the boots. So and

1041
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 1: you slide it on like a slipper and no snow

1042
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 1: gets in there. It's just it's just better. Okay, you

1043
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: famously tweaked your boots on the door remains you were

1044
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: added forward lean, So when it comes to forward lean

1045
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: and ramp aangle, what were your thoughts. It's all it's

1046
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: a system. It only matters about the system. If you're

1047
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: skiing a ski that you can trust the front half

1048
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: of the ski, and you needed certain things, you could

1049
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 1: ramp up, But generally I was going the other way.

1050
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 1: If I ramped up in the boot, I would de

1051
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: ramp on the ski, So I would put lifters under

1052
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: the toe piece of the binding. So even though I

1053
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: had more ankle flexion, in the boot. That was just

1054
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: to get the boot to line up correctly so that

1055
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: I could so I could drive down with my knee

1056
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: instead of tipping forward with my knee. So I always

1057
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: like to drive down into the ski with my knee

1058
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: versus so I needed ankle flection. If the boot was

1059
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: too open, too upright, the angle was too open, then

1060
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: you you were stuck. So I would always get that

1061
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,439
Speaker 1: to a place I liked, and then I would bring

1062
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: the toe up to get me balanced on the ski. Definitely.

1063
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 1: One of the common mistakes is too much ramp angle

1064
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: and too much forward lean and too much delta between

1065
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: the front and back of the bindings. Typical bindings are

1066
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: you know, five millimeters lower in the front and the

1067
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: back um, and that's when you compound that by ramp

1068
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: angle inside the boot where the front is you know,

1069
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: sometimes thirteen fourteen millimeters difference between the height of the

1070
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 1: heel and the height of the toe. It's just this

1071
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: whole big ramp and it makes it impossible for people

1072
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: to ski forward because they're so tipped forward that if

1073
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: they actually pushed forward, they would just fall over the

1074
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: front of the skis. So um, I did everything, but

1075
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: I would say, I ended up in a really good

1076
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: place with fairly neutral to upright boots um with good

1077
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: ankle flection, and I was moving my foot around inside

1078
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,240
Speaker 1: the boot quite a bit getting the right ankle position

1079
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: versus where the boot actually liked to bend um. But

1080
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: basically a flat ramp angle on the ski. Okay, that's

1081
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: been a big evolution. If you go to laying, which

1082
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: has been around since the fifties, hit it, say in

1083
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 1: the sixties with the old skis, the Stratos, the DTA

1084
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: meet VR seventies, they had a lot of ramp angle.

1085
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: Now they're really flat. Okay, So on some level you're

1086
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: saying that's followed you. How does that affect how you

1087
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: ski on shape skis In the old days, when it

1088
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: was so much harder to have a car of turn

1089
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 1: you had to get the weight forward, do you feel

1090
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,240
Speaker 1: that that's less of an issue and it's more about

1091
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: being centered now? Yeah, of course. I mean, if you're

1092
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,439
Speaker 1: going dead straight in a straight line on a shape

1093
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 1: ski and you don't have to push forward at all,

1094
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: you just tip over. That tip initiates so quickly with

1095
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: that sidecut and pulls in so quickly that automatically your

1096
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: inertia is going forward, and now the skis trying to

1097
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,839
Speaker 1: turn that way you are forward. You can't avoid being

1098
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: for it. It's actually hard to not be for it

1099
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,839
Speaker 1: on a a dramatic side cut ski. Um, you're exactly right.

1100
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,919
Speaker 1: They were designed around and so is an orderkle grhand

1101
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 1: Prix was designed around skis with no side cut. They

1102
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: were much longer where you really had to you had

1103
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: to twist and snap that front to get it to

1104
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: do anything, and now you don't. Yeah, the ski does

1105
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: all that for you automatically, and so a more upright

1106
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,760
Speaker 1: boot with much less ramp angle makes you more efficient.

1107
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 1: You your skeletally, you're more lined up, You're able to

1108
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: support more force and absorb more. Um. The challenges with kneflection.

1109
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 1: You don't have a lot of suspension in the ski

1110
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: system right from the bottom of the ski to the

1111
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: all the way up. Your shin can't move that much,

1112
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 1: so a lot of your suspension is from your knee

1113
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 1: of your hip, and that's a really slow moving, long

1114
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:45,879
Speaker 1: travel suspender. Um. So I tend to still like some

1115
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: ankle flection for absorption purposes, but again that's where the

1116
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 1: full tilt is so much better than other boots is

1117
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 1: that you you can't fold it over the top. You know,

1118
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: I broke my ankle inside my boot twice because I

1119
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: would hyper flex the boot and it would just pull

1120
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: my ankle apart and snap off the bottom of my tibia.

1121
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: And it's you can't do that in the full tail

1122
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: because the instep is actually if your ankle joint is

1123
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: here a normal boot, the instep might be there. In

1124
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: the full tailed in step is like two inches away

1125
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: from the front ear, so you it doesn't cause any lever.

1126
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: You can't be pulled up out of the boot. You'll

1127
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 1: just crunch against it, and it actually drives your heel

1128
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: down and back no matter what you're doing. So it's

1129
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: you know, for me, it's safer to okay. Now you

1130
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 1: skied at the literally top level of the elite level.

1131
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: And before you made it to the top, were you

1132
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 1: ever intimidated by the competition? Now you had a long

1133
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: history of competition. I was not a good ski racer,

1134
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 1: but I ski with the World Cup freestyle people in

1135
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 1: the moguls all the time, could ski better than them.

1136
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 1: But once you're in competition, it's like this guy Scott

1137
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 1: Brooks Mack he got better in competition. Okay, so what

1138
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: was it like for you competing? Yeah, it was, there was, Um,

1139
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: there was certainly times where I was intimidated. I mean,

1140
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 1: there's a picture of Herman. It didn't happen early so

1141
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: much because I was always like, look, I'm gonna get better.

1142
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get better. I'm gonna get better. There was

1143
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: a time where Herman was I think it was nine, Um,

1144
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: he was on his full doping program, and the guy's

1145
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: legs were just like he's on a table in a

1146
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: lab with with the electro stim hooked up to his

1147
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 1: legs and he's doing a full both quads, full flection,

1148
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: like rocked out, and there's like striation that he had

1149
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: muscles that I don't even know are on a normal

1150
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,280
Speaker 1: human that were like stacked on top of normal muscles.

1151
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,399
Speaker 1: And and I was just like, I mean, I put

1152
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 1: me in the tank for like eight months because I

1153
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: was like, this is garbage, Like there's no way, no matter.

1154
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: He's better technically than Miami's on better skis, he's doping,

1155
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 1: he's you know, better technically by a mile. Um, Like

1156
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: what am I talking about here? And and uh, eventually

1157
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 1: I overcame it but um, I was one of the

1158
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: people who because of my ability to take risk and

1159
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 1: and that was my strength, was my ability to sort

1160
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 1: of motivate myself to take risk and be willing to

1161
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: do that in competition and deal with the fact that

1162
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:58,439
Speaker 1: I was going to fail a lot of the time.

1163
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,359
Speaker 1: That was my biggest skill set and I recognized really

1164
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: quickly even Herman didn't have that, I had them in

1165
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: that category. That was my that was my trump card.

1166
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: And honestly I set up specific split times, which you know,

1167
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: not not that we have to touch on it, but

1168
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 1: ski oh is my app that I've created now that

1169
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: measures everything, measures exact speed, distance, travel, g forces, all

1170
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: that stuff. During that time of like late high school

1171
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: into early World Cup, I was setting up split times

1172
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: because I needed to know how fast am I. I

1173
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: needed some positive reinforcement. I couldn't finish races. I was like,

1174
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 1: I only care about how fast I am for these

1175
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: two gates. I need to know that I have like

1176
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 1: elite level speed for two gates, and I would see

1177
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: what I could do for two gates. In the middle,

1178
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: of course, I would set up a specific split time

1179
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 1: for six seconds, and and that really helped my confidence

1180
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: because I was like, look, I haven't figured it out yet.

1181
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: I certainly can't do it for fifty four gates in

1182
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: a row. But for those two gates, I am way

1183
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: faster than anybody in our country and possibly the world.

1184
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 1: And that was sort of the thing that got me

1185
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 1: over the deficiencies that I had in every other category

1186
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 1: because I was kind of the middle of the road

1187
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: type dude in fitness, technique, endurance, um. You know, equipment,

1188
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: you know, tactics, understanding of hills, snow conditions, inspection, everything.

1189
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: But in a couple of categories, I was elite level

1190
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: and I had to figure out how to ulize those

1191
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 1: and capitalize on them. Okay, to what degree was doping

1192
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: a factor? To what degree is it's still a factor?

1193
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: And you famously said you didn't care if anybody doped,

1194
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: you could still beat them. Yeah, I don't know that

1195
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: that's exactly what I said, but I think you covered

1196
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 1: the gist of it. Um, I you know it was

1197
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 1: It's always been a thing. I think it's been a

1198
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: thing in virtually every sport since the beginning of time.

1199
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I think guys used to chew coca leaves

1200
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: back in the old days, when they had little foot

1201
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: race over in Greece. But um, I think that there's

1202
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: there's a misperception that doping does it for you, that

1203
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: you dope and then you're just better, and that's just

1204
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: not the case. The guys. The the big, the big

1205
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: advantage of doping as you can train more and you

1206
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: recover more quickly. So half the doping stuff isn't even

1207
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: enhancement things, it's recovery things. So if you can train.

1208
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 1: I mean, the cost Lish family, I love them, they're

1209
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: great people. They both had organ failure later on their

1210
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: careers because they were on these programs that allowed them

1211
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: to ski twice or three times as much as every

1212
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: other World Cup racer. And they got really really good

1213
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: because they trained three times as much as any other

1214
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 1: World Cup racer, but it also caused organ failure. And

1215
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: for me, I was kind of the mindset of like, look,

1216
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: this isn't Tour de France, Tour de France. If you're

1217
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: not doping, I don't think you have a realistic chance

1218
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: of winning. You know, um, you know football, if you're

1219
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 1: not doping, you know American football, you're likely to get

1220
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 1: beat up throughout the season and not recover as well.

1221
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: And you're gonna get thrown around by guys who are

1222
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: that's but in ski racing because it's a minute or

1223
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 1: because it's two minutes. I felt like if I was

1224
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: willing to take the risk and great, I had to

1225
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: adjust my criteria, I would have loved it w of

1226
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: the races I was in, but that just wasn't in

1227
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: the cards for me. I was like, I can get

1228
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: through a minute, and it's more going to be about

1229
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: my intensity and my risk taking and how I can

1230
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 1: manage that. I'm I'm capable of beating even guys who

1231
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 1: are I'd always dealt with it. Guys who are much

1232
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 1: fitter than I was, much more technically sound, better equipment,

1233
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: and I beat them before, so I didn't really see

1234
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 1: that as a massive problem. I just felt like I

1235
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna win the overall very many times because guys

1236
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 1: who were on that recovery program were just more fresh

1237
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 1: all the time, and I was not. Okay, so you've retired,

1238
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 1: then you wanted to come out of retirement using the

1239
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 1: full tilt boots, using Bomber. Skis Head said, no, Ultimately,

1240
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: you had a relationship with Bomber. Now I have a

1241
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: relationship with cross and take us through that evolution. Yeah,

1242
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: when I quit, I was I was well, well, good

1243
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 1: and done, um, but I still had things a bit

1244
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 1: like Rocky and Rocky six right. There was I wouldn't

1245
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 1: say there was skeletons in the closet, but there was

1246
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 1: things in the basement that I wanted to do and

1247
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: you can't do them on your local ski hill. You

1248
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: needed a World Cup forum and with the conditions and

1249
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: the level of safety to actually put them to the test.

1250
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: And it was more honestly, it wasn't about winning races.

1251
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 1: It wasn't about proving anything. It was simply about understanding

1252
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: what was possible with equipment and things like that. And

1253
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 1: it was the first time I've had the handcuffs off

1254
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 1: in eight years, um out from under head. And I

1255
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 1: retired with the intent of not doing that. But then

1256
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: I got on the skis. I skied on him for

1257
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: this project for Samsung up in Lake Louise and my

1258
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 1: my good friend Craig Daniels, who had been with me,

1259
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 1: and we had some technology like Skio on the skis

1260
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 1: that were measuring things. He was following me with a

1261
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: with a big follow cam trying to get this footage

1262
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 1: for them, and and he after about the fifth run,

1263
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 1: he said, dude, I've never seen you ski like this.

1264
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 1: He's like, if you raised a World Cup right now,

1265
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 1: you would destroy people. I was like, I was like,

1266
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 1: I know, I feel the same way. It's I'm able

1267
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: to move because the boots flexed straightforward instead of out,

1268
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 1: and because the skis were designed with much less sidecut

1269
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 1: but a slight hinge point in the middle, I was

1270
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 1: able to hold almost tuck down the steep pitch and

1271
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 1: in like Louise where c turn would normally be in

1272
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 1: a super G And he's like, I've never seen anything

1273
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 1: like this, and that that got me excited because I

1274
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 1: felt like my at that point it was really about

1275
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 1: legacy and what I was giving back to the sport.

1276
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 1: And I felt like if I understood that, and I

1277
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 1: could evolve equipment and ski boots to be able to

1278
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: allow your average person to have that same confidence level

1279
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 1: and improvement, um, I'd be doing something good for the sport.

1280
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 1: And it was a bummer that they shut me down

1281
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 1: because I think in the end it would have been

1282
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 1: great for head as well. Um, but it is what

1283
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 1: it is, Okay. That must have been very frustrating. There

1284
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 1: was no way to work that out. Johan Johan is

1285
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:52,479
Speaker 1: a peculiar cat. Uh. I love him, he's a good friend.

1286
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 1: We're friends now still. Um. But that was a very

1287
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: American business um litigation. I mean, he had he sent

1288
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 1: me a seven hundred page he moved forums three times,

1289
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 1: tied us up and send a seven hundred pages because

1290
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 1: I wanted mine was one page that I sent him.

1291
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 1: It was here's what I'm requesting, here's what we said before. Uh,

1292
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 1: you're not paying me anything anyway. It's illegal for you

1293
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 1: to block me from making a living in my in

1294
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 1: my profession without pay, without compensation. That that's illegal in Colorado, California,

1295
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 1: anywhere in the US. Basically, Uh, he moved for hum

1296
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 1: three times to jump that around. All he was trying

1297
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: to do is tie us up until the season started

1298
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 1: so I couldn't do it. And UM, you know, I

1299
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: can respect somebody who's efficient at what they want to do,

1300
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 1: and he was, so I can respect that. But in

1301
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: the end, I think we all lost out. Okay, bomb Or,

1302
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 1: after you got involved, turned into more of an expensive

1303
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: boutique SKI. Ultimately you left and went to cross on.

1304
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 1: Tell us about that. Yeah, I think you know, coming

1305
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 1: from where I was at that moment where there was

1306
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 1: still potential to race, there was still this development. Then

1307
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 1: as that game unrealistic with Johan kind of putting his

1308
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:05,919
Speaker 1: foot down on me, Um, we moved into that other

1309
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 1: space and it was not where I wanted to be.

1310
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 1: So UM, I had a contract, I wrote it out.

1311
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 1: I did my best for them, UM, wish them all

1312
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 1: the best, but wanted to go with a ski company

1313
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 1: where I could see my vision really come true. And

1314
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 1: quite honestly, I don't care about building skis for super

1315
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 1: rich people or I think skiings expensive enough as it is.

1316
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 1: I went through it as a young person. I would

1317
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 1: love to build skis and make them good enough that

1318
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: I could sell a million pairs of skis a year

1319
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 1: for two hundred dollars a pair, and build them for

1320
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 1: eighty dollars a pair and sell them all direct and

1321
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 1: make twenty dollars a pair, and I make a bunch

1322
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 1: of money. Um. You know. And even then, if I

1323
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 1: did that, I'd probably dropped the price to one fifty,

1324
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: because I think it's obnoxious that skiings as expensive as

1325
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 1: it is and as inaccessible as it is, UM, and

1326
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 1: I would love to see that change that, so they

1327
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 1: were kind of going the opposite direction with Crossing. At

1328
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 1: least we have the you know, full raine and really

1329
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 1: interesting background coming Chase coming from aerospace, and access to

1330
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 1: crazy smart engineers and unique performance materials and practices coming

1331
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 1: from an industry that's very unlike skiing. UM, and and

1332
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 1: we are trying to do some really unique stuff in

1333
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 1: this first year. I mean we start in June and

1334
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 1: we have two different models, three really that are absolutely

1335
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 1: exceptional at the top of their individual classes in the sport.

1336
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 1: And I'm looking forward to next year. Okay, but is

1337
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 1: your goal with Crossing to bring the price down and

1338
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 1: turn volume way up? Yeah? Eventually, UM, you know, I

1339
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 1: think it'll be some re engineering. I think there will be.

1340
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 1: There's a few steps, intermediary steps that have to be

1341
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 1: seen to first UM and obviously we have to be

1342
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 1: economically viable to get there as well. So my long

1343
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 1: term goal is yes, is that, um you need a

1344
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 1: certain economic model to to make it work. But I

1345
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:55,440
Speaker 1: think we're pointing in the right direction absolutely, and ideally

1346
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 1: I'd love to build race keys. Again. I think it's

1347
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 1: it's embarrassing that we don't have any American aid race skis,

1348
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 1: and uh, every other country as you alluded to before

1349
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 1: with you know, Atomic Rozzi, you know every company. Maybe

1350
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 1: Italy is the only comping that doesn't really have a

1351
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 1: homegrown superpower race ski. But um, I want to build

1352
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 1: American made race skis and really kind of give the

1353
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 1: Americans advantage for once. Let's talk about the crossing skis

1354
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 1: that are available. Now, did you have a hand in

1355
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 1: developing those? I did everything from exact side cut, earlier rise,

1356
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 1: exact construction everything. Okay, so what makes them special and

1357
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 1: different from what's presently on the market. Um, we'll focus

1358
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 1: on the one A team because that's the one that

1359
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 1: I did a good job on and got lucky as well.

1360
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 1: And I it's a twenty seven meter radius, so if

1361
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 1: you know anything about radius, that's a very long radius.

1362
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 1: That's a fist legal giant slalom radius ski basically, um

1363
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 1: and it's and so with that long radius, you're not

1364
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 1: going to get the same turn that you would on

1365
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 1: an arc. But it's a one A team underfoot, which

1366
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 1: you wouldn't get that turn even if you made the

1367
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 1: shovel huge because there's so much torsional for so, I

1368
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 1: matched the point where there's traditional camera where the skis

1369
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:09,959
Speaker 1: this way to the point where there's early rise, which

1370
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 1: is really really subtle. When you stick the skis together

1371
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 1: and you push the base together, there's a tiny little

1372
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 1: slot of light that comes in between them earlier, and

1373
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 1: that's the radius that you use there, and where that

1374
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 1: is compared to the sidecut, how the ski is still

1375
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 1: getting wider, and then where that peeks out, and then

1376
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 1: how you use the actual tip curve, which is how

1377
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 1: the ski comes up off the snow. That's actually what

1378
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 1: you use to dictate your radius, is that that early

1379
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 1: rise in the tip curve. So I'm cheating the system

1380
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 1: where I have a radius ski that you can ski

1381
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 1: seventy miles an hour on it and it doesn't jump around.

1382
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 1: It's not crazy. You can make little slow turns that

1383
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 1: aren't arcs, they're just slid. But it's super consistent and

1384
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 1: reliable and easy to balance on and forgiving works awesome

1385
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 1: and deep powder sloft chunky snow because it just doesn't

1386
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 1: hook you on the tail. You never get stuck in

1387
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 1: the back seat, you never get pitched forward. But then

1388
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 1: still skis like a seventeen sixteen radio ski. When you

1389
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 1: tip it up because the actual initiation is coming from

1390
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: the curve of the ski versus the side cut, so

1391
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 1: it's it's nuanced and it's uh. I built it very traditionally,

1392
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 1: you know, nothing magical in it, which again allows me

1393
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 1: to reduce the cost down. Um. And yeah, I got lucky.

1394
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 1: I knew it would be a very good powder ski.

1395
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 1: I was confident there. What I was shocked at is

1396
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 1: how good it was on hard snow, on ice and

1397
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 1: on groom trails. And the reason that it was much

1398
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:33,759
Speaker 1: better than I thought was because I had never skied

1399
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 1: on a ski that was at that shallow of radius.

1400
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 1: So you know, the most you see is two three

1401
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 1: and even that is usually on a really stiff ski

1402
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 1: that's just for like high speed bombing and powder runs,

1403
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 1: you know, huge lines in Alaska and stuff like that. Um,

1404
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 1: this thing is a normal construction, fairly soft, but when

1405
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 1: you ski it on hard snow, it just absolutely rips turns.

1406
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 1: I was my hip was on the ground for six

1407
01:08:57,280 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 1: g s turns in a row down a groom or

1408
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 1: first thing in this season, and I came out of

1409
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 1: that and I was like, it exceeded at every expectation

1410
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 1: I had on the harder still which my goal is

1411
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 1: always to build a ski that works on a big variety.

1412
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:10,600
Speaker 1: There's lots of companies that build really good skis for

1413
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 1: one specific condition or type of skier. I want something

1414
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 1: that works for everybody, and I got really lucky this year. Okay,

1415
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 1: conventional wisdom and needs to say you're not conventional. Is

1416
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 1: a hundred and eight team would be a powder ski,

1417
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 1: not a big mountain Alaska powder ski. And maybe you

1418
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:26,679
Speaker 1: have a hundred and five or a hundred and six

1419
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 1: for cried your daily riders, hundred maybe for hard snow.

1420
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:34,760
Speaker 1: You have something somewhere in the eighties. Hey, do you

1421
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:39,720
Speaker 1: agree with that philosophy or is that horseship? Um? I

1422
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 1: would say it's certainly not horseship, right. And the reason

1423
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 1: for that is just as I just stated right before

1424
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 1: that it was a lot of companies make skis that

1425
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 1: are good in one narrow segment. So if you love

1426
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 1: Stokely or you love Blizard or you love Atomic, you

1427
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:58,679
Speaker 1: need five pairs of skis and you need the quiver

1428
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 1: you just said. I would even go narrowing that. I

1429
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:02,960
Speaker 1: would go down to something the seventies for a hard ice.

1430
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 1: If you're an East Coast ski and you're going up

1431
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 1: to Cannon or or Stow, you're gonna want something narrower

1432
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 1: the eighties. But but then everything else you said is

1433
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:12,479
Speaker 1: virtually right, and you're gonna have a great time if

1434
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:14,599
Speaker 1: you can bring five or six pairs of skis and

1435
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:17,800
Speaker 1: switch from morning to mid lunch to afternoon. If you

1436
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:19,880
Speaker 1: had a powder day in the morning, and what I

1437
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 1: believe that if you do it right you can have

1438
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:26,800
Speaker 1: virtually you still kind of need two pairs. Um. I

1439
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:29,479
Speaker 1: skied on pretty firm snow. It didn't snow for about

1440
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 1: three weeks. There was smicy patches that got scratched down.

1441
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 1: I didn't I wouldn't say I enjoyed skiing on the

1442
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:37,320
Speaker 1: one eight teens. If I was skiing in sugar Loaf

1443
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:39,640
Speaker 1: when it hadn't snowed in two weeks, and you know

1444
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 1: that refrozen groom stuff where you barely leave a track

1445
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:44,719
Speaker 1: in it when you're working right, the one teens probably

1446
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been a really enjoyable ski there. I would

1447
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:50,880
Speaker 1: have dropped right down to a one seventies six underfoot

1448
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:53,439
Speaker 1: I mean a seventy six underfoot um, but a much

1449
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 1: more mela radius than than a typical carving ski. And

1450
01:10:57,040 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 1: but beyond that that one een it covers from Big Mountain, Alaska.

1451
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 1: I mean, like shoots, it's a touring ski. It's super light.

1452
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:07,679
Speaker 1: It's it's as light as some of the high level

1453
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 1: touring skis. Um you can ski it fast. He's getting

1454
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 1: crud junk. I have some videos of my buddy that

1455
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 1: I mentioned before, just going crazy on the thing. And

1456
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:18,840
Speaker 1: he's all of a d thirty five pounds, soaking wet,

1457
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:23,719
Speaker 1: and he's one underfoot and he's shredding these hard wind baked,

1458
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 1: sun baked moguls um bouncing and shooting around and just landing.

1459
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 1: And they're always right where they belong. They're always right,

1460
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 1: you know, grips right under his foot. He's totally on it.

1461
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 1: And that that ski covers out here, it covers every day.

1462
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 1: There's no other ski that I would ski on out here. Um,

1463
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:40,719
Speaker 1: you know, on the East coast, you'd want something narrower.

1464
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:42,759
Speaker 1: But I'd ideally like to get it down to two

1465
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 1: two pairs. Okay, there's a whole school of thought now.

1466
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:50,360
Speaker 1: Really the business was changed by the Razzie one oh six,

1467
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 1: the Yellow Soul seven, And there are people who have

1468
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:55,720
Speaker 1: been in the business a long time say this is

1469
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 1: not good for your knees to have wide skis. Do

1470
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:03,880
Speaker 1: you have a lot on them? Yeah, it sounds like

1471
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 1: live s tales stuff to me. I've heard a lot

1472
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:09,360
Speaker 1: of people saying that, you know, we had FIST regulations,

1473
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:11,559
Speaker 1: right we scrapped When I was on head, they made

1474
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 1: the skis now out of University of Salzburg, which is

1475
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 1: Austrian government controlled, and had we were kicking the crap

1476
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:22,599
Speaker 1: out of Atomic, So of course the University of Salzburg

1477
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 1: came up with some data that said if you make

1478
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:28,960
Speaker 1: the skis two millimeters wider, everyone's gonna be way more safe.

1479
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 1: So we all had to scrap thousands of pairs of

1480
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 1: the fastest down will skis on the planet because they

1481
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:38,000
Speaker 1: came up with some arbitrary data. And then two years

1482
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:39,840
Speaker 1: later the injuries were worse and they said, up, we

1483
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 1: were wrong, and but you couldn't add edge with to

1484
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 1: make your skis wider. So we scrapped all those keys

1485
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:46,559
Speaker 1: and started new and that helped Atomic because we're all

1486
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:48,519
Speaker 1: back on level playing field. And then two years later

1487
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 1: they realized their data was garbage and they scrapped it.

1488
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 1: So it's I think that's where that comes from I

1489
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:57,800
Speaker 1: would say that a wide ski with a lot of

1490
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 1: sidecut because your shovel it becomes so big that it

1491
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 1: actually can hit and it has a huge surface area

1492
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 1: that if you hit a bump, or you hit loose

1493
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 1: snow or a pile of slough, um, you're gonna you're

1494
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 1: gonna get a huge reaction if it's not designed just

1495
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 1: right um. And that huge reaction oftentimes goes to your

1496
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:20,280
Speaker 1: knees and you're back. And so I would say a

1497
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:22,600
Speaker 1: wide ski should have very little side cut, and you

1498
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 1: have to figure out a better way to make it turn.

1499
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:25,640
Speaker 1: If you do that, I don't think it has any

1500
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 1: impact on safety. Okay, let's talk about materials. The big

1501
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:31,640
Speaker 1: breakthrough was metal in the fifties and sixties. Then we

1502
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 1: went to fiberglass. Okay, we had the strato of the

1503
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 1: VR seventeen, but then we had Rozzie the Rock five

1504
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 1: fifty for gs that was metal. Then Solomon entered the business.

1505
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:45,719
Speaker 1: They had a cap ski. So the traditional thought now

1506
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 1: is you want metal for harder surfaces, for torsional rigidity.

1507
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 1: And then you talk about one eight teens. Conventually they

1508
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 1: will have no metal in them. What's your philosophy on

1509
01:13:57,280 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 1: materials and construction. Well, metal is not great for torsion

1510
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:04,599
Speaker 1: in the sense of the properties itself. What it's good

1511
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:07,719
Speaker 1: for is torsion and traditional layup is comes from shearing

1512
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 1: effect of the of the material. So if you have

1513
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 1: a bunch of layers, those layers when they twist, they

1514
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:15,920
Speaker 1: have to rub against each other. They don't just twist,

1515
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 1: uh you know, as one big chunk, they actually shear.

1516
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 1: And that's where you get your metal doesn't it has

1517
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:25,560
Speaker 1: a hard bonding property. The surface has no other particles

1518
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:27,800
Speaker 1: that it creates a really solid bonds of Tortionally, it

1519
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:30,799
Speaker 1: affects it that way. But the property itself, metal twists

1520
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:34,719
Speaker 1: actually much easier than glued fiberglass. Fiberglass is the strongest

1521
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:38,559
Speaker 1: for torstional uh control. Um. The reason we don't use

1522
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:41,760
Speaker 1: metal traditionally, and you know wider skis is just weight.

1523
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 1: You know, it's just too it's just too damn much material.

1524
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:46,639
Speaker 1: You'd use a piece of metal this wide and uh,

1525
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's too much. But the other part,

1526
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:51,719
Speaker 1: metals really damp and would metal together have a really

1527
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:56,439
Speaker 1: interesting frequency um dampening properties. So you know, we we

1528
01:14:56,439 --> 01:14:59,559
Speaker 1: always use you know goodwood cores in our wide skis,

1529
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 1: but we're using rubber instead of metal and fiberglass instead

1530
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 1: of metal. So fiberglass to control the tortion because as

1531
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 1: it gets wider, you can really control torson very effectively. Um,

1532
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 1: you don't add all that weight. And then he use

1533
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:16,320
Speaker 1: rubber inserts around the edges in certain areas to to

1534
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:20,360
Speaker 1: dampen the vibration and have a damp ski. And Um again,

1535
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:22,920
Speaker 1: I'm a believer that there's no one way to build

1536
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:25,559
Speaker 1: a great ski. Um. Like I said, I'm the first

1537
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 1: to give credit to companies that have built great skis,

1538
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of different ways to go about it.

1539
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:32,520
Speaker 1: I want to do it in a way that's super consistent,

1540
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:36,480
Speaker 1: gives people a huge range of of you know, conditions

1541
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 1: that the skis perform optimally on. And a ski that

1542
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 1: one eighteen I put a dude on it the other day.

1543
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:43,639
Speaker 1: He's never skied before, his first day on snow. He's

1544
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 1: one underfoot and had an awesome time. They switched into

1545
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 1: a black crow at lunch because he was curious, and

1546
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 1: he went immediately back to the team. He said that

1547
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 1: thing was garbage compared to this. It's so much easier

1548
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 1: to balance on this and control of the edges. So

1549
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 1: I think that done correctly, the sky is gonna work

1550
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:05,559
Speaker 1: better in all conditions and for all skiers. And maybe

1551
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:07,760
Speaker 1: that's optimistic, but it seems like it's working right now.

1552
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 1: Let's just talk about course. Course, we're all would the

1553
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 1: breakthrough in the seventies was foam, then we went back

1554
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:16,679
Speaker 1: to wood. Dina starts putting some foam stringers in what's

1555
01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:21,200
Speaker 1: your philosophy there? Yeah, I think I think hybrid um. Honestly,

1556
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:24,120
Speaker 1: I think that's the application for carbon fiber and potentially

1557
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 1: other exotic materials as well as stringers vertical stringers of

1558
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:31,479
Speaker 1: carbon fiber. Uh, think of like an H box of wood.

1559
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 1: So an H of really thin but super dense wood, oak,

1560
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:40,800
Speaker 1: beach poplar, you know, maple, um, ironwood, There's all kinds

1561
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 1: of wood that would be really interesting but super duper

1562
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:45,639
Speaker 1: thin in an H. So you have an I beam

1563
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 1: type structure which adds a lot of the properties. Then

1564
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:50,680
Speaker 1: fill the top and bottom of the H with foam

1565
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:54,800
Speaker 1: with carbon stringers um. Ultimately, I've tried to have that

1566
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:58,919
Speaker 1: core built for six years. Hasn't happened yet. I'm patients,

1567
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:01,920
Speaker 1: so hopefully through. I believe that a hybrid core will

1568
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 1: will be where we end up. Okay, but we'll foam

1569
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 1: break down like it did in the seventies or just

1570
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 1: not really a structural material. No, it's it's not. In

1571
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 1: seventies there was they had bad foam. I mean now

1572
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:14,920
Speaker 1: they have aerospace foam that does you can have do

1573
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:18,960
Speaker 1: anything as zero temperature fluctuations. It's that can't shatter. It

1574
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 1: has like a fifty thousand and a half life and

1575
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:24,760
Speaker 1: uh fully recyclable. I mean my goal ultimately is to

1576
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:30,639
Speaker 1: have an exoskeleton ski, so carbon fiber um metal elastomer's

1577
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 1: frame and then foam injected and then metal top or

1578
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:39,240
Speaker 1: potentially fiberglass or high density rubber polymer top over it,

1579
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 1: and then you'd have a ski that everything was dictated

1580
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:44,960
Speaker 1: by this skeletal system underneath, and that's how all your

1581
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:47,240
Speaker 1: flex was dictated. The foam dampens it, and the tops

1582
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:49,439
Speaker 1: just to protect it. When you're done with a ski,

1583
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 1: just heat it up, peel at apart, and everything is recyclable.

1584
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:54,200
Speaker 1: I think that's it's a shame that nobody has taken

1585
01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 1: that seriously. There's millions and millions and millions of cubic

1586
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 1: meters of waste coming out of the skins every single

1587
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:04,240
Speaker 1: year because of that. Okay, if one listens to you

1588
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:07,639
Speaker 1: in the landscape and the news and podcast et cetera,

1589
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 1: you seem to know everybody you have a relationship with

1590
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 1: all these technical people. Did they come to you because

1591
01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 1: if you were fame or is your personality such that

1592
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:23,679
Speaker 1: people end up being drawn to you? I don't know, Um,

1593
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:27,680
Speaker 1: I only know the results. I can't speak to the motivation. UM,

1594
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people. I enjoy learning and

1595
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 1: talking about concepts and ideas. I'm not a talk about

1596
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 1: this person or gossip type person. I like talking about

1597
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 1: inspirational things that um haven't been done or you know,

1598
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:45,760
Speaker 1: creative ways to collaborate. So I think that's appealing. I

1599
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:48,160
Speaker 1: think we're in an interesting time right now where you know,

1600
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 1: connectivity is much easier than it was ten years ago,

1601
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 1: right with the Internet. And I mean, you can get

1602
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 1: to anybody, so if somebody wants to get to me,

1603
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:56,840
Speaker 1: they can get to me. So UM, but yeah, I

1604
01:18:57,080 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 1: feel very lucky to have, um had the relationships I've

1605
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:05,880
Speaker 1: had and continue to grow because you know, I don't

1606
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:10,400
Speaker 1: know nearly enough yet. And uh, I learned from a

1607
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 1: lot of really smart people that I surround myself with

1608
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 1: all the time. Okay, but you're involved in your app Skio,

1609
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:19,800
Speaker 1: you have the ski company, you have the educational thing.

1610
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:22,840
Speaker 1: How many projects are you actively involved in and what

1611
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:28,960
Speaker 1: are they? Thirteen? Uh? Really actively? Um, but there's another

1612
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:32,240
Speaker 1: six or seven that are kind of where I'm a

1613
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 1: I'm a role player. Um, but not it's not my

1614
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 1: primary thing. Uh. Snow Cookie, which is Skio Crossing Ski Company,

1615
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 1: I c L is my academy, Rivo sunglasses, goggles, helmet development,

1616
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:48,600
Speaker 1: trying to make things safer and better. Um, my relationship

1617
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:50,839
Speaker 1: up here in Big Sky which is Spanish peaks, Moonlight,

1618
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 1: forward facing real estate, all that stuff, Kuto which is

1619
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 1: a C too C booking platform, so you would book

1620
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 1: me to take you skiing here. And sky First is

1621
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:03,880
Speaker 1: having to pay eight hundred bucks for an instructor. Um,

1622
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 1: a really good dude. Uh. Friends started that and I

1623
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:10,000
Speaker 1: help him as tech. My clothing company that I'm not

1624
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 1: officially involved with any longer because they're kind of plateau

1625
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:16,760
Speaker 1: ng but um. Alchemist Alpine uh company out of l

1626
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 1: A cannabis and medical stuff around cancer research and swim

1627
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 1: Pals are wearable like a watch that strounding prevention. After

1628
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 1: losing my daughter, we we got really involved in that

1629
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 1: and want to stop that from happening, so we were

1630
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 1: inventing some new stuff. I'm working with the Nest guys

1631
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 1: Jamie simmon Off and guys at at Amazon for all

1632
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:38,640
Speaker 1: that snow Bonn, which is the indoor ski hall. I'm

1633
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 1: a shareholder and it's outside of Denver now, but we're

1634
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 1: working on partnering with resorts and replicating that so that

1635
01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:47,599
Speaker 1: in these population hubs in Houston and Dallas and Atlanta,

1636
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:50,040
Speaker 1: you can have these kids who would never be exposed

1637
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:53,120
Speaker 1: to skiing go in and for thirty bucks experienced skiing

1638
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 1: and then package something together to have them go up

1639
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:58,040
Speaker 1: to a local area for a tenth the cost and

1640
01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:01,240
Speaker 1: UH and get out. Their APEX is UH Technologies company

1641
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:03,800
Speaker 1: that I'm in through my roommate at c v A,

1642
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:08,519
Speaker 1: and they optimize UM everything from data security now that

1643
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 1: especially with COVID, everyone's going digital. It's a huge new

1644
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:14,120
Speaker 1: push in that space. And their Ninja's flow code is

1645
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:17,320
Speaker 1: Tim Armstrong's company was the CEO at A O L

1646
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:19,559
Speaker 1: when I was there ten years ago, and we became

1647
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:22,799
Speaker 1: friends and that's an advanced QR code. It's the fastest,

1648
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 1: quickest scanning QR code. So like now when you go

1649
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:27,800
Speaker 1: into restaurant, your menu is that QR code. He has

1650
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 1: those that take you to a flow page that can

1651
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:33,679
Speaker 1: do incredible stuff. He's just a wizard. Romp and Roost.

1652
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:36,559
Speaker 1: We're building kids stuff because we have six six kids alive.

1653
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:38,439
Speaker 1: We would have seven if we had lost my daughter,

1654
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 1: um parents stuff these you know, uh packing plays and

1655
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:45,479
Speaker 1: travel accessories. When you go to a restaurant, how come

1656
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 1: it's such a pain in the ass with the high

1657
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:49,800
Speaker 1: chairs and all that. And then Zortech, which is a

1658
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:52,920
Speaker 1: shoe company that's doing smart shoes, so very similar to

1659
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 1: um to Skio where you get all his data out

1660
01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 1: of your skiing the smart shoes, I want to put

1661
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:00,760
Speaker 1: in Schuman's residents in of the shoe with a p

1662
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:03,479
Speaker 1: c oh so you're basically like you're walking around with

1663
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:05,200
Speaker 1: your feet in the grass or feet in the dirt

1664
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:09,680
Speaker 1: all day because I think this electromagnetic field disturbances we're

1665
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 1: getting right now are kind of messing with a lot

1666
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:14,559
Speaker 1: of people and so and then at the same time

1667
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:17,160
Speaker 1: as giving you Shuman's Residents all day in your shoes.

1668
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:20,280
Speaker 1: They're also giving you, you know, har rate variability and

1669
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:23,240
Speaker 1: steps and stress levels and stress patterns. Hey, when you

1670
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 1: walk down this street you're super stressed every day, Maybe

1671
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:28,599
Speaker 1: don't walk down that street. So, um, it's a that's

1672
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:31,760
Speaker 1: there's about like I said, six more, but um, those

1673
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:33,360
Speaker 1: are those are the main ones that I'm pretty heavily

1674
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:35,519
Speaker 1: involved with. Okay, how do you have the time? How

1675
01:22:35,560 --> 01:22:36,880
Speaker 1: do you have the time to have even one of

1676
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:41,360
Speaker 1: those in ski? Those those fit into the six percent

1677
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:43,840
Speaker 1: of the time that I'm not dealing with my kids

1678
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:47,720
Speaker 1: and and uh and wife and eating drinking wine. But

1679
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:50,599
Speaker 1: are you actively involved? Needless to say, having your name

1680
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:54,720
Speaker 1: attached to something is beneficial to an enterprise, But to

1681
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:57,160
Speaker 1: what those are? Those are all? Those are all very active.

1682
01:22:57,360 --> 01:23:00,240
Speaker 1: Those are things where I have calls, maybe not really,

1683
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 1: but very active all the way from R and D

1684
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:07,640
Speaker 1: to marketing to partnerships and getting things lined up, I

1685
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 1: mean everything. Those are Those are heavy involvement. And I'm

1686
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 1: I'm efficient, I am. I mean, you know, I dropped

1687
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:16,080
Speaker 1: the ball all the time and every one of them.

1688
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:18,240
Speaker 1: I'm very upfront. I'm like, look if I if I

1689
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 1: tell you I'm not not getting on that call. I'm

1690
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:21,840
Speaker 1: not getting on the call. If you want to go

1691
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:24,160
Speaker 1: find somebody else, fine, But like you know, so I'm

1692
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:26,120
Speaker 1: open because I don't have the ability. I'm not a

1693
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:28,200
Speaker 1: nine to five or I have. I literally fit that

1694
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:29,760
Speaker 1: into the ten percent of the time where I'm not

1695
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:31,439
Speaker 1: managing my kids and all that. I mean we have

1696
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:33,439
Speaker 1: we have three kids who are two are under in

1697
01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:35,800
Speaker 1: the house, and it's there's not a lot of time

1698
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:37,680
Speaker 1: that I can get this. This is a miracle that

1699
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:40,720
Speaker 1: I've had this time. My wife's being an angel right now. Okay,

1700
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:42,439
Speaker 1: just to go a little deeper and then just a

1701
01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 1: couple more topics. Uh, what's the difference between Scio and

1702
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:50,599
Speaker 1: this product that is being heavily hyped now Carve? Yeah,

1703
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:53,559
Speaker 1: car I mean honestly, I love what Carve was doing.

1704
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:56,559
Speaker 1: I've been in conversation with them. I know. The problem

1705
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:58,760
Speaker 1: with that is their mechanisms. So they're doing it on

1706
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:00,800
Speaker 1: the boot, They're doing it in the sole of the boot.

1707
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:04,800
Speaker 1: You know, I'm never one to hate on anybody, but

1708
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:08,120
Speaker 1: to disrupt somebody's boot, you have to, you know, insert

1709
01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:10,759
Speaker 1: this thing underneath your footboard. You're do what you're talking about.

1710
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 1: If you're doing your boots, right, there's no space in

1711
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:15,880
Speaker 1: there to put that in there, so you're doingfications. But

1712
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:18,759
Speaker 1: then but then also you're only able to capture certain

1713
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:23,000
Speaker 1: data because the boot only does certain things. And what

1714
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:25,519
Speaker 1: we did ours is three sensors. It's one on either

1715
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:27,439
Speaker 1: ski just in front of the binding, and then one

1716
01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:29,439
Speaker 1: on the center of your chest. So we're talking about

1717
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:32,640
Speaker 1: rotational force. It uses your phone and all the telemetry

1718
01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:34,760
Speaker 1: on your phone as well to have all that um

1719
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:37,840
Speaker 1: but we can do rotation foraft movement. They do that

1720
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 1: through sensors in your foot. But again, you're you're getting

1721
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:46,479
Speaker 1: When I skied on carve, I ripped fifteen ridiculously hard

1722
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:50,560
Speaker 1: g s turns, perfect balance, you know, in and out consecutive.

1723
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 1: It said that I was sucking and then I slid

1724
01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:55,639
Speaker 1: a bunch of turns, just kind of bopping along super

1725
01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:58,320
Speaker 1: low edge angle, and it was like, great job, great job.

1726
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:00,720
Speaker 1: So I think they have work to do on their

1727
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:03,160
Speaker 1: algorithm engine. I think there's a place for it. I

1728
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:05,479
Speaker 1: think a ton of people are going to benefit from it,

1729
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:09,000
Speaker 1: but they're in a they went a route that was

1730
01:25:09,479 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 1: more difficult to achieve what I think ultimately is the goal,

1731
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 1: which is to have people have really good, clean, objective

1732
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:17,640
Speaker 1: data that represents what it's supposed to represent. I can

1733
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:20,680
Speaker 1: tell you from my experience I was skiing well, and

1734
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:22,679
Speaker 1: it was saying I was sucking, and then vice versa.

1735
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:26,759
Speaker 1: Ours is all built around you know. The algorithm is

1736
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:29,840
Speaker 1: is legit, there's no if you're skiing better, it knows

1737
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:32,120
Speaker 1: you're skiing better. And the in the centerpiece on your

1738
01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 1: chest is really really important based because as you know,

1739
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:37,960
Speaker 1: skiing is so much of it's how you're rotating, how

1740
01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:41,200
Speaker 1: you're initiating, how your foraft balance is shifting through a turn,

1741
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:44,800
Speaker 1: what your skis are doing vibrationally, if your edges are matched, um,

1742
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:47,360
Speaker 1: what your pressure is on either edge. We can get

1743
01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 1: all that, um, you know, very easily, as well as

1744
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:52,559
Speaker 1: you know all the other things that they can get. Okay,

1745
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:55,960
Speaker 1: I grew up during the ski boom. Okay, everybody skied

1746
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:58,840
Speaker 1: in the sixties and early seventies. Having lived long enough,

1747
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:01,200
Speaker 1: I know there are other of things. You know, there

1748
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:04,639
Speaker 1: was a snowboard boom. Snowboard is actually decreasing slightly, not

1749
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:10,880
Speaker 1: that just did a big thing. How do we reinvigorate skiing? Um?

1750
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:14,320
Speaker 1: I think accessibility. Uh, if you look at the barriers

1751
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:16,800
Speaker 1: to entry and skiing. It's no wonder that we have

1752
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:18,640
Speaker 1: like an eight percent atrician rate, so eight out of

1753
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:20,599
Speaker 1: tend people who ski for the first time don't try

1754
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:23,000
Speaker 1: it again. Um that's been flat for about the last

1755
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:26,760
Speaker 1: thirty five years. So UM, that's a problem if you're

1756
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 1: if you're charging people enormous amounts the snow Bonn, So

1757
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:32,920
Speaker 1: if you combine just and this is a big part

1758
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:35,920
Speaker 1: of it, right, This is why all these projects become

1759
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 1: doable is because they're not these off on tangent silo

1760
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:43,080
Speaker 1: little things. They're all connected. Snow Bonn is an indoor

1761
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:46,519
Speaker 1: ski hall that allows people to learn to ski in

1762
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:49,200
Speaker 1: about thirty minutes, from never having put ski boots on

1763
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:52,080
Speaker 1: before to being able to go up onto a resort

1764
01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:56,519
Speaker 1: in ski blue runs snowplow, turn either direction, hockey stop

1765
01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:59,599
Speaker 1: on either side in twenty minutes for thirty dollars. So

1766
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:02,840
Speaker 1: I want to replicate that in population hubs, and I

1767
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:05,080
Speaker 1: want to tie it to the resorts because the lifetime

1768
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 1: value of a skier at a resort for Veil, for

1769
01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:11,559
Speaker 1: you know, Ask and whoever, that lifetime value is enormous.

1770
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:13,400
Speaker 1: They can afford to give them a break for that

1771
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:15,559
Speaker 1: first time, to get them interested, to get them psyched,

1772
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:18,559
Speaker 1: um get them hooked if you will. So that whole

1773
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:21,000
Speaker 1: package is one piece that ties in with Crossing, because

1774
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:23,360
Speaker 1: I'm building special skis that actually work better on the

1775
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:27,080
Speaker 1: carpet because it is this crazy, you know, big inside

1776
01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:30,280
Speaker 1: treadmill with carpet on it or plastic key carpet, and

1777
01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:32,639
Speaker 1: the skis don't work well. They're just using typical skis

1778
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:34,559
Speaker 1: de tuning them and like, okay, give it a go.

1779
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:36,800
Speaker 1: They need skis designed for that. So we're doing that

1780
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:39,840
Speaker 1: with Crossing. My goal over the next four years is

1781
01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:44,080
Speaker 1: to reduce the cost of skis um go direct to customers.

1782
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:46,360
Speaker 1: I mean we see retails going to the tank right,

1783
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:50,240
Speaker 1: retails tanking everywhere, and COVID only accelerated that. But there's

1784
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:51,800
Speaker 1: no reason you need to go into a ski shop

1785
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:54,559
Speaker 1: to buy skis like to just asn't like with thirty

1786
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:57,439
Speaker 1: day money that guarantee. Here's the skis two hundred bucks.

1787
01:27:57,640 --> 01:28:00,720
Speaker 1: Instead of selling them to a retailer for bucks and

1788
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:02,800
Speaker 1: then they sell them to you for seven hundred bucks,

1789
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:04,760
Speaker 1: we just sell them straight to you. We can make

1790
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 1: our margins, everything works, and you pay two hundred bucks,

1791
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:10,920
Speaker 1: so reduce the cost of everything incrementally. There. Um, you

1792
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:14,360
Speaker 1: know they've already done certain steps, the Icon Pass, Epic Pass,

1793
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:17,080
Speaker 1: those are I think incremental steps in the right direction.

1794
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:20,439
Speaker 1: I honestly think there's gonna be a new boom of

1795
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:24,200
Speaker 1: very small resorts. You need traffic for that, and that

1796
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:26,680
Speaker 1: hasn't supported that in the past because we've had no

1797
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:29,799
Speaker 1: growth in the sport. But once these things are put together,

1798
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 1: there's these adventure parks that are incredibly profitable in Europe

1799
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:36,600
Speaker 1: and they drive people to these other more more exclusive,

1800
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:40,200
Speaker 1: more expensive involved operations. I think that when we spool

1801
01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:44,560
Speaker 1: out thirty five fifty hundred snow bonds in these population

1802
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:47,559
Speaker 1: hubs and then we can run a ski resort that

1803
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:52,840
Speaker 1: only operates from December eighteen till March and it has

1804
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 1: two lifts. You're only accommodating people who are the first

1805
01:28:56,200 --> 01:28:58,479
Speaker 1: three years of skiing, and then once they're better, sure

1806
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:01,599
Speaker 1: graduate up to some others. But as you know, I mean,

1807
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:06,280
Speaker 1: Christina Cosnick, Lindsey Vaughan, you know myself, steen mark on

1808
01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:08,840
Speaker 1: your person. They grew up on mountains. There were no

1809
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 1: bigger than my driveway is like, I mean, we're talking

1810
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:14,240
Speaker 1: a couple hundred vertical feet you don't need, uh, you know,

1811
01:29:14,360 --> 01:29:17,320
Speaker 1: the Pyrenees to to go out and enjoy skiing and

1812
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:19,639
Speaker 1: have a great time. So all those things I think

1813
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:24,400
Speaker 1: play together. I think the industry has been remarkably inefficient

1814
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:28,120
Speaker 1: at converting new skiers. And you know, but look at

1815
01:29:28,160 --> 01:29:30,080
Speaker 1: ale stock prices. I mean, they're doing all right, so

1816
01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:32,920
Speaker 1: I can't really pick on them too much. But I

1817
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:35,479
Speaker 1: think that's you know, you go through the early life

1818
01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:38,120
Speaker 1: complaining about all these people doing things wrong, and at

1819
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:40,519
Speaker 1: some point you gotta step up and start realizing somebody's

1820
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:42,320
Speaker 1: just got to do it. So that's the phase of

1821
01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:45,000
Speaker 1: it now. And again that parlays with vos. You know,

1822
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:49,479
Speaker 1: everything everything I work on is all aligned in terms

1823
01:29:49,479 --> 01:29:51,400
Speaker 1: of that stuff, so it ends up being a bit

1824
01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:56,280
Speaker 1: more efficient that way. Okay, very quickly, too quick tips

1825
01:29:56,479 --> 01:30:00,360
Speaker 1: piece of advice for people who are experienced skiers technique wise,

1826
01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:07,200
Speaker 1: Um yeah, I mean to me, upper lower body separation

1827
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:10,639
Speaker 1: is the biggest conundrum for people is with sidecut skis.

1828
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:13,880
Speaker 1: Now you can commit down the hill so much more

1829
01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:16,880
Speaker 1: if your skis finishing a turn, coming around and you're

1830
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:20,439
Speaker 1: used to coming up, becoming neutral and then initiating your

1831
01:30:20,439 --> 01:30:22,760
Speaker 1: new turn and going down and making a turn. You've

1832
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:25,559
Speaker 1: seen it in World Cup for years now. But I

1833
01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:27,800
Speaker 1: think the exciting thing is get on a really good ski.

1834
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:30,680
Speaker 1: Stokely makes a really good carving ski. We make, I

1835
01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:33,519
Speaker 1: believe the best carving ski. UM A bunch of companies

1836
01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:36,200
Speaker 1: make a good one. And by good I mean super reliable.

1837
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:38,200
Speaker 1: It's never gonna do anything crazy on you, because what

1838
01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:41,479
Speaker 1: we're talking about is finishing your turn. As you're coming

1839
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:44,240
Speaker 1: across the fall line, your upper body goes over the

1840
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:46,240
Speaker 1: top of your skis in a low position. So for

1841
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:49,480
Speaker 1: that little moment, you're basically just letting go. You're relaxing,

1842
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:51,920
Speaker 1: your knees are super bent, your ass is really far back.

1843
01:30:52,200 --> 01:30:54,880
Speaker 1: You're just traveling over your skis straight down the hill.

1844
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:57,200
Speaker 1: As that happens, you're putting your place self in a

1845
01:30:57,200 --> 01:31:00,559
Speaker 1: position where you can back up a ski edge angle

1846
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:03,240
Speaker 1: that's really high, and it's basically upper lower bodies sepreasure.

1847
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:05,680
Speaker 1: You're continuing to turn one way while your body is

1848
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:07,960
Speaker 1: going over the top, and then your edges switch really

1849
01:31:08,040 --> 01:31:10,559
Speaker 1: quickly from one edge to the other, and the skis

1850
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:13,439
Speaker 1: initiate so quickly that they dive down underneath you and

1851
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:16,080
Speaker 1: pick you back up. And I think for experienced gears

1852
01:31:16,120 --> 01:31:19,840
Speaker 1: that's a really something they haven't felt before, and it's

1853
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:24,439
Speaker 1: it changes entirely the sport because you're in a long legged,

1854
01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:26,639
Speaker 1: really powerful position all the time. The only time where

1855
01:31:26,640 --> 01:31:28,960
Speaker 1: you're in that crunched up awkward phase, there's no pressure

1856
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:31,160
Speaker 1: on You're just flying down the hill. And for me,

1857
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:33,400
Speaker 1: that's how you know that that's the most exciting thing

1858
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:36,000
Speaker 1: about carving skis. Okay, needless to say, you can make

1859
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:38,720
Speaker 1: a deal with any of the major companies and endorsement

1860
01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:41,599
Speaker 1: deal and get a big check. Are you into it

1861
01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:43,640
Speaker 1: with cross and not only to make the skis for

1862
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:47,240
Speaker 1: the upside? And to what degree? You know if these

1863
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:49,000
Speaker 1: some of these figures are published, but we don't know

1864
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:51,519
Speaker 1: what you did with the money. How are you doing

1865
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:54,559
Speaker 1: financially and how are your compatriots who were successful in

1866
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:59,519
Speaker 1: the circuit doing financially? Um? I mean I'm still working,

1867
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:01,759
Speaker 1: so I'm not doing that good. Um. But it granted,

1868
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:03,519
Speaker 1: my kids and wife cost me a lot of money.

1869
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:05,600
Speaker 1: They know how to they know how to spend it.

1870
01:32:05,640 --> 01:32:09,120
Speaker 1: But um, you know, I think we're we're comfortable. I'm

1871
01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:11,519
Speaker 1: very fortunate that I do things that I love to

1872
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:13,479
Speaker 1: do and I don't do them for money. But I'm

1873
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:16,240
Speaker 1: fortunate enough to be valuable enough to companies where I

1874
01:32:16,240 --> 01:32:18,880
Speaker 1: can get compensated in a way that makes things makes

1875
01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:24,919
Speaker 1: the wheel turn. Um. But you know the other skiers generally, Um,

1876
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:26,759
Speaker 1: you know, if you weren't number one in the world

1877
01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:30,240
Speaker 1: and winning a lot of races, your work in day job. Now,

1878
01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:33,599
Speaker 1: I mean Europe is different. Their icons. They they get

1879
01:32:33,640 --> 01:32:36,080
Speaker 1: sort of taken care of because they're in these semi

1880
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:41,160
Speaker 1: you know, socialist type countries where they get a lodge

1881
01:32:41,240 --> 01:32:43,479
Speaker 1: or they're they do different things. They're kind of set up.

1882
01:32:43,479 --> 01:32:45,200
Speaker 1: But they also have such a different culture over there

1883
01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:47,720
Speaker 1: where it's not an economic ladder. They just they like

1884
01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:50,200
Speaker 1: to do things. So they just run a restaurant and

1885
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:53,400
Speaker 1: host people because they like to Um. But you know,

1886
01:32:53,439 --> 01:32:56,160
Speaker 1: I could if you got any tips, I could certainly

1887
01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:59,400
Speaker 1: use some cash. But um, I'm doing okay, Okay, do

1888
01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:03,639
Speaker 1: you regret not going to college? No, Now, I went

1889
01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:06,160
Speaker 1: to lots of colleges. I just didn't go to college

1890
01:33:06,280 --> 01:33:09,240
Speaker 1: per se. Um. I was at colleges all over the

1891
01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 1: country and all over the world. Um, but no, no,

1892
01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:15,160
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm an easy study like coaches that I

1893
01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:17,320
Speaker 1: was uncoachable. I think that's not really true. I think

1894
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:19,680
Speaker 1: they were just beating their head against the wall and

1895
01:33:19,720 --> 01:33:21,840
Speaker 1: something that I was very committed to, and unfortunately it

1896
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 1: didn't align with what they wanted me to do. But

1897
01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:26,720
Speaker 1: I learned things really quickly. More or less, stuff that

1898
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:29,080
Speaker 1: I need to figure out, I can figure out really quickly.

1899
01:33:29,120 --> 01:33:30,360
Speaker 1: And as I said, I'm I have some of the

1900
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:33,080
Speaker 1: best mentors in the world, the smartest people, um, that

1901
01:33:33,160 --> 01:33:36,920
Speaker 1: I've found, and I learned really quickly from them. Okay,

1902
01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:40,400
Speaker 1: you've gone on record for political issues and how you

1903
01:33:40,479 --> 01:33:43,599
Speaker 1: view the country. What is your view of the overall

1904
01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:49,840
Speaker 1: state of the United States? And do we have any hope? Uh? Yeah,

1905
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:53,160
Speaker 1: we have hope, um, not a lot. But you know,

1906
01:33:53,200 --> 01:33:57,280
Speaker 1: the for me, the problem is that we've we've diverged

1907
01:33:57,320 --> 01:34:00,160
Speaker 1: away from sort of the concept. The concept was that

1908
01:34:00,240 --> 01:34:02,280
Speaker 1: the people would sort of semi govern that we would.

1909
01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:06,000
Speaker 1: But when you have three million people with hugely diverse

1910
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:09,480
Speaker 1: backgrounds and priorities and all this stuff, you have to

1911
01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:12,280
Speaker 1: modify the system. It's it can't be a you know,

1912
01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:14,920
Speaker 1: nationally governed, it has to be stay governed. I think

1913
01:34:15,320 --> 01:34:19,120
Speaker 1: micro micro governing bodies need to take more responsibility and

1914
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:22,599
Speaker 1: and and have flexibility there Um. That to me is

1915
01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:25,240
Speaker 1: is where our salvation lies is. You know, you can

1916
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:27,960
Speaker 1: have different views, you can have different philosophies and different

1917
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:31,400
Speaker 1: lifestyles and different stuff, but it still has to fall

1918
01:34:31,479 --> 01:34:34,080
Speaker 1: within the parameters of the national That was the philosophy

1919
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:36,559
Speaker 1: in the beginning. But it wasn't so real then because

1920
01:34:36,600 --> 01:34:39,640
Speaker 1: communication took three weeks to get a letter from Colorado

1921
01:34:39,680 --> 01:34:43,519
Speaker 1: back to Washington. But um or Virginia. But in this case,

1922
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:46,479
Speaker 1: you know, you just have to we can't have this

1923
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:50,400
Speaker 1: this crazy um. You know, these extremist groups that that

1924
01:34:50,439 --> 01:34:53,440
Speaker 1: stuff is garbage. I don't know the solution there. UM

1925
01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:56,000
Speaker 1: that that's problematic because there really are hate groups and

1926
01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:58,559
Speaker 1: then they just they're just angry and want to do damage.

1927
01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:01,679
Speaker 1: But some of that comes to um a cultural um.

1928
01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:04,200
Speaker 1: Feel good about what you're doing, and feel good about everybody.

1929
01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:06,559
Speaker 1: And that's because we've sucked for quite a while. I mean,

1930
01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:09,120
Speaker 1: I'm not a US hater, but I find it really

1931
01:35:09,160 --> 01:35:11,120
Speaker 1: funny that people say we're the best country in the

1932
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:13,200
Speaker 1: world when they haven't really been to a lot of

1933
01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:15,040
Speaker 1: other countries. I've been to a lot of countries, and

1934
01:35:15,080 --> 01:35:17,200
Speaker 1: I can say I think Daniel Tosh says, it is

1935
01:35:17,240 --> 01:35:20,200
Speaker 1: that have you ever been to Fiji, like maybe you

1936
01:35:20,200 --> 01:35:22,640
Speaker 1: go there. You've been to New Zealand, like you know,

1937
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:25,519
Speaker 1: universal healthcare, like you could show up there and break

1938
01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:27,960
Speaker 1: your leg and they take care of everything for you know,

1939
01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:31,599
Speaker 1: Bill is not perfect healthcare, like you know. I think

1940
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:34,360
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that unfortunately our government is

1941
01:35:34,360 --> 01:35:36,960
Speaker 1: incapable of doing because of the structure. And I don't

1942
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:39,160
Speaker 1: know if that's going to change, But on a state

1943
01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:42,479
Speaker 1: and micro level, I think as we transition the renewable

1944
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:44,240
Speaker 1: energies and we kind of I think we're gonna see

1945
01:35:44,240 --> 01:35:47,880
Speaker 1: a massive influx of job creation and and hopefully more

1946
01:35:47,880 --> 01:35:50,559
Speaker 1: productive direction than we've been for the last two hundred years.

1947
01:35:50,920 --> 01:35:54,559
Speaker 1: Um with you know, fossil fuels revolution that was that

1948
01:35:54,680 --> 01:35:57,920
Speaker 1: was inherently terminal, like it didn't you know, capitalism is

1949
01:35:58,000 --> 01:36:01,000
Speaker 1: terminal in and of itself. You can't always be uh um,

1950
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:03,560
Speaker 1: you know, a capitalist culture exclusively. There always has to

1951
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:05,439
Speaker 1: be some balance. We already have that. The irony is

1952
01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:07,479
Speaker 1: that people ignore the fact that we've been we have

1953
01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:10,759
Speaker 1: socialist programs. We have since the beginning. We've we've always

1954
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:14,120
Speaker 1: had them. So it's just finding the balance there and

1955
01:36:14,280 --> 01:36:19,000
Speaker 1: hopefully um getting people excited to embrace the differences of

1956
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:22,160
Speaker 1: our country because unfortunately or unfortunately, there's always gonna be

1957
01:36:22,280 --> 01:36:24,479
Speaker 1: huge variants in our in our people, in our in

1958
01:36:24,520 --> 01:36:29,559
Speaker 1: this country. Final question, this is one of perception for

1959
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:32,120
Speaker 1: those of us who follow ski racing. Yes, you had

1960
01:36:32,160 --> 01:36:35,040
Speaker 1: that instant success with the K two fours, You did

1961
01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:38,439
Speaker 1: very well in the two thousand two Olympics. Then there

1962
01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:41,000
Speaker 1: was all this hope, in this hype which we get

1963
01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:43,120
Speaker 1: every four years in the Olympics United States. You were

1964
01:36:43,160 --> 01:36:47,040
Speaker 1: the golden boy. The success was not there, needless to say, Also,

1965
01:36:47,080 --> 01:36:49,719
Speaker 1: what I learned today, you're talking about certain equipment issues

1966
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:53,760
Speaker 1: which were not well publicized. In addition, you've gone your

1967
01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:57,439
Speaker 1: own way in a country that thrives on group paint,

1968
01:36:57,560 --> 01:37:01,120
Speaker 1: group think, but all the pushing forward is by individuals

1969
01:37:01,320 --> 01:37:05,760
Speaker 1: who were frequently hated in them lauded. In addition, you

1970
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:09,200
Speaker 1: commented did the play by play so to speak of

1971
01:37:09,200 --> 01:37:13,120
Speaker 1: the Olympics, and as opposed to being bobbed BIATI just

1972
01:37:13,200 --> 01:37:16,680
Speaker 1: being a national cheerleader. You got into the specifics of

1973
01:37:16,840 --> 01:37:20,960
Speaker 1: racing and took a lot of flak for that. So

1974
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:25,080
Speaker 1: the question is, how do you feel about your perception

1975
01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:29,880
Speaker 1: of yourself. Do you think it should be changed? Do

1976
01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:32,559
Speaker 1: you care if it's changed? Do you bothered if it's

1977
01:37:32,600 --> 01:37:37,600
Speaker 1: not changed. No, I'm not bothered and I don't care. Um,

1978
01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:40,479
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like that was a big learning

1979
01:37:40,560 --> 01:37:42,640
Speaker 1: experience for me. It was oh six right right. I

1980
01:37:42,720 --> 01:37:46,240
Speaker 1: was petulant. I take responsibility for my own behavior. But

1981
01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:48,519
Speaker 1: it was also not an anomaly. I didn't. It wasn't

1982
01:37:48,520 --> 01:37:50,200
Speaker 1: like that was my time where I blew up. I

1983
01:37:50,280 --> 01:37:53,160
Speaker 1: was that way all my entire life. And the fact

1984
01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:55,519
Speaker 1: was I was unapologetic. I just I said, look, I

1985
01:37:55,560 --> 01:37:57,559
Speaker 1: did my best. I won the I was winning the

1986
01:37:57,560 --> 01:37:59,760
Speaker 1: combined by three seconds, right, ted end up winning the

1987
01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:02,120
Speaker 1: goal there. I was three seconds ahead of him after

1988
01:38:02,160 --> 01:38:04,200
Speaker 1: the first run of slalom, and I was disqualified. Like,

1989
01:38:04,479 --> 01:38:06,640
Speaker 1: you know, there's things that happened that they could have

1990
01:38:06,720 --> 01:38:09,720
Speaker 1: changed everything there they didn't. Um. You know, when I

1991
01:38:09,760 --> 01:38:13,120
Speaker 1: walked away from that, I was definitely uh you know,

1992
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:16,240
Speaker 1: I was immature and I was not prepared for what

1993
01:38:16,280 --> 01:38:18,400
Speaker 1: I was dealing with. I was the top gun on

1994
01:38:18,479 --> 01:38:20,920
Speaker 1: World Cup. I had I was taking of all the

1995
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:24,040
Speaker 1: demands and press and everything else, and I just I

1996
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:25,880
Speaker 1: wasn't good enough and I needed to improve and I

1997
01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:28,640
Speaker 1: knew that so UM when I came back after the

1998
01:38:28,680 --> 01:38:32,440
Speaker 1: OH nine semi retirement into two thousand and ten, UM,

1999
01:38:32,479 --> 01:38:34,880
Speaker 1: I was really proud of how I'd evolved in that

2000
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:38,360
Speaker 1: four year span. And I came back a different type

2001
01:38:38,360 --> 01:38:42,040
Speaker 1: of person, much more capable, much more broad skill set,

2002
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:45,719
Speaker 1: capable of dealing with real adult things and and being

2003
01:38:45,880 --> 01:38:50,920
Speaker 1: clear about my prerogatives, but also much more um effectively

2004
01:38:51,120 --> 01:38:54,000
Speaker 1: talking about what I felt was important and how I

2005
01:38:54,040 --> 01:38:57,280
Speaker 1: could make that work with your average you know viewer

2006
01:38:57,320 --> 01:38:59,559
Speaker 1: who's just an American who wants you to say, go America,

2007
01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:00,960
Speaker 1: where the best? So I'm gonna win for you, guys

2008
01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:03,559
Speaker 1: like I understood that in that time frame. And it

2009
01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:07,360
Speaker 1: took that failure in OH six and all the fallout

2010
01:39:07,400 --> 01:39:09,680
Speaker 1: of that to learn. I mean, it's just the reality is,

2011
01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:13,080
Speaker 1: you learned through those struggles and and uh, I've been

2012
01:39:13,120 --> 01:39:15,160
Speaker 1: super I wouldn't change a thing about that. It was

2013
01:39:15,200 --> 01:39:17,360
Speaker 1: an ass kicking at the time, but it's not the

2014
01:39:17,400 --> 01:39:19,479
Speaker 1: first as kicking I've taken. It certainly won't be the last.

2015
01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:21,840
Speaker 1: So to come into ten and win three medals and

2016
01:39:21,880 --> 01:39:25,000
Speaker 1: really kind of give the American people what they wanted

2017
01:39:25,360 --> 01:39:28,320
Speaker 1: in my on my own terms and with that expression

2018
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:32,200
Speaker 1: and my my comfort level. Unfortunately I missed that stop

2019
01:39:32,280 --> 01:39:35,479
Speaker 1: on the on the attributes trade train when I was

2020
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:38,760
Speaker 1: being created that I didn't feel satisfaction about that part

2021
01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:40,600
Speaker 1: of it, like I proved anyone wrong or anything. I

2022
01:39:40,640 --> 01:39:43,879
Speaker 1: just felt good that I had evolved and hopefully matured

2023
01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:46,400
Speaker 1: a little bit where I was more capable and not

2024
01:39:46,479 --> 01:39:49,800
Speaker 1: making the same stupid mistakes i'd make made before. Yes,

2025
01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:53,720
Speaker 1: but at the Olympics, Lindsey Vaughan was the heroine with

2026
01:39:53,800 --> 01:39:56,599
Speaker 1: one gold medal, and you had a better performance than

2027
01:39:56,600 --> 01:40:00,240
Speaker 1: anyone had ever had in the Winter Olympics skiing as

2028
01:40:00,280 --> 01:40:03,120
Speaker 1: a male, and they gave you a fraction of the attention.

2029
01:40:04,920 --> 01:40:07,599
Speaker 1: But as as you said, no, as you said, there's nothing,

2030
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:10,680
Speaker 1: especially American culture, putting somebody on the pedestal and then

2031
01:40:10,720 --> 01:40:12,479
Speaker 1: they want to knock the pedestal out, you know, and

2032
01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:13,920
Speaker 1: then they want to build you back up, and then

2033
01:40:13,960 --> 01:40:16,040
Speaker 1: they want to knock the pedestal. The thing that was

2034
01:40:16,080 --> 01:40:19,040
Speaker 1: interesting about that is because I retired in oh nine

2035
01:40:19,360 --> 01:40:22,720
Speaker 1: and I didn't start my Olympic run until August. I mean,

2036
01:40:22,760 --> 01:40:24,920
Speaker 1: I was fatten out of shape and had no skis,

2037
01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:28,599
Speaker 1: no technician, no nothing going into the World Cup season. Um,

2038
01:40:29,360 --> 01:40:31,519
Speaker 1: they didn't have any time before I was six, and

2039
01:40:31,520 --> 01:40:33,559
Speaker 1: that summer going into six, I was on a cover

2040
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:36,840
Speaker 1: of Time, Newsweek, Men's Journal, Sports Illustrated. You know, that

2041
01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:39,000
Speaker 1: was the build up, That was the pedestal. They had

2042
01:40:39,040 --> 01:40:41,960
Speaker 1: no time. Nobody could scramble. They'd already they'd already put

2043
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:44,599
Speaker 1: Lindsay as their person. They were pot committed to her.

2044
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:47,200
Speaker 1: So the fact that she delivered, they were on board.

2045
01:40:47,240 --> 01:40:49,120
Speaker 1: They were like, yeah, see, we were right. She's our

2046
01:40:49,160 --> 01:40:52,160
Speaker 1: American hero and they had for me. I was a

2047
01:40:52,160 --> 01:40:54,519
Speaker 1: side note. Because they had they couldn't validate, you know,

2048
01:40:54,840 --> 01:40:58,320
Speaker 1: not the individuals, but mainstream press likes to be right right,

2049
01:40:58,360 --> 01:41:01,200
Speaker 1: So the fact that I did well didn't help them.

2050
01:41:01,200 --> 01:41:04,639
Speaker 1: They were They weren't upset individually, but as a as

2051
01:41:04,680 --> 01:41:07,799
Speaker 1: an industry, they were upset because they didn't have the scoop.

2052
01:41:07,880 --> 01:41:10,240
Speaker 1: They didn't have it, you know, set up right to

2053
01:41:10,360 --> 01:41:13,719
Speaker 1: capitalize on that. And so, um, it's exactly what I expected.

2054
01:41:13,720 --> 01:41:15,479
Speaker 1: And as I said, I was very aware of that

2055
01:41:15,560 --> 01:41:17,680
Speaker 1: by that point, and they didn't upset me at all.

2056
01:41:17,720 --> 01:41:20,680
Speaker 1: I was really proud and excited to have you know,

2057
01:41:20,720 --> 01:41:23,320
Speaker 1: like I said, matured and got better and then delivered.

2058
01:41:23,320 --> 01:41:24,519
Speaker 1: I mean, at the end of the day, it doesn't

2059
01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:26,720
Speaker 1: matter how good you are, how mature you are, It

2060
01:41:26,760 --> 01:41:28,519
Speaker 1: comes down a hundreds of the second. You know how

2061
01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:30,800
Speaker 1: tight those races were. And at the end of the day,

2062
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:34,080
Speaker 1: those performances that I put down there my the actual

2063
01:41:34,200 --> 01:41:36,479
Speaker 1: skiing I did to get that gold medal in the

2064
01:41:36,520 --> 01:41:39,480
Speaker 1: combined what I did in that slow on course was

2065
01:41:39,479 --> 01:41:41,400
Speaker 1: was nothing short of a miracle. I mean I was

2066
01:41:41,680 --> 01:41:44,760
Speaker 1: that was the that was the pinnacle of what you'd

2067
01:41:44,760 --> 01:41:49,040
Speaker 1: hoped for of yourself in an Olympic environment. And uh yeah,

2068
01:41:49,120 --> 01:41:51,400
Speaker 1: to do it after having let people down and let

2069
01:41:51,400 --> 01:41:53,479
Speaker 1: myself down the way I didn't know six was was

2070
01:41:53,800 --> 01:41:57,120
Speaker 1: a miracle. And then obviously fourteen I pulled off, you know,

2071
01:41:57,400 --> 01:41:59,240
Speaker 1: a bronze medal that I was as proud of as

2072
01:41:59,280 --> 01:42:02,360
Speaker 1: any medal that i'd ever you know, had in any event.

2073
01:42:03,000 --> 01:42:07,759
Speaker 1: Why is that the night before my brother it's supposed

2074
01:42:07,800 --> 01:42:09,519
Speaker 1: to go to that Olympics, that he was going to

2075
01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:11,240
Speaker 1: go as a snowboarder. It would have been the first

2076
01:42:11,240 --> 01:42:15,160
Speaker 1: one we've been at together, he passed away into um

2077
01:42:15,200 --> 01:42:17,840
Speaker 1: and before I should have won the downhill, I was

2078
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:20,920
Speaker 1: crushing guys in the training runs conditions change, we could.

2079
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:23,280
Speaker 1: We didn't have the skis to be competitive on the bottom.

2080
01:42:23,280 --> 01:42:25,040
Speaker 1: I was losing a second and a half on the

2081
01:42:25,040 --> 01:42:27,800
Speaker 1: bottom just going straight across, you know, eight hundred yards

2082
01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:31,479
Speaker 1: um and I end up losing in my stronger events,

2083
01:42:31,479 --> 01:42:33,160
Speaker 1: and the super gew was kind of the last one.

2084
01:42:33,680 --> 01:42:36,200
Speaker 1: And uh, the night before I took my goggle strap

2085
01:42:36,240 --> 01:42:39,280
Speaker 1: off my helmet and I replaced it with with one

2086
01:42:39,320 --> 01:42:41,960
Speaker 1: of those um physio bands, you know, those bands like

2087
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:43,880
Speaker 1: the red and green that you used to stretch out,

2088
01:42:43,880 --> 01:42:46,120
Speaker 1: And so I replaced it with one of those. And

2089
01:42:46,280 --> 01:42:48,840
Speaker 1: I thought about doing that for ten years. I don't

2090
01:42:48,840 --> 01:42:50,880
Speaker 1: know it's I put it in the wind tunnel. We tested.

2091
01:42:50,920 --> 01:42:53,879
Speaker 1: We knew that that made a difference, and I said, look, tomorrow,

2092
01:42:54,520 --> 01:42:56,720
Speaker 1: a hundredth is going to make the difference. And so

2093
01:42:56,760 --> 01:42:58,920
Speaker 1: I replaced that for the first time in four hundred

2094
01:42:58,960 --> 01:43:02,519
Speaker 1: and thirty World Cup races, I replaced it and tied

2095
01:43:02,560 --> 01:43:05,680
Speaker 1: for third place. So one hundredth slower and I have

2096
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:08,800
Speaker 1: no medal. And I come out of the Olympics, you know,

2097
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:10,840
Speaker 1: dealing with all the press of no medals. Just that

2098
01:43:10,920 --> 01:43:15,320
Speaker 1: one bronze medal saves all that stuff. But also it

2099
01:43:15,439 --> 01:43:18,559
Speaker 1: was it was really indicative of my level of of

2100
01:43:18,760 --> 01:43:23,120
Speaker 1: commitment and you know, and ingenuity and and and self reliance.

2101
01:43:23,160 --> 01:43:24,679
Speaker 1: I mean, no one did it. I was the only

2102
01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:27,720
Speaker 1: dude in the race with a rubberized goggle strap that

2103
01:43:27,920 --> 01:43:29,920
Speaker 1: in a wind tunnel, I know, makes point oh six

2104
01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:34,760
Speaker 1: percent difference, which was theoretically in a in a minute race,

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Speaker 1: which that was is a second. So and I and

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Speaker 1: I one hundred slower and I get no medal. So

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Speaker 1: you tie for second, you're one hundred slower, you just

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Speaker 1: got a bronze, no problem. You tie for third, one slower,

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Speaker 1: you get nothing. Bronze medal is important. And at that

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Speaker 1: point I was the oldest Olympic medalist in history globally.

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Speaker 1: Um it was. It was massive. And to know that

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Speaker 1: all other things excluded that goggle strap that I've done

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Speaker 1: for the first time in my whole life, uh made

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Speaker 1: the difference, got me a metal. Um was was interesting

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Speaker 1: and obviously, uh you know, I felt like, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: it was it was a testament to my commitment and

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Speaker 1: the representation of my my commitment to getting better and

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Speaker 1: not leaving any stones unturned. Okay, And the comments that

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Speaker 1: you got in reaction to your play by play will

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Speaker 1: you do that again? Did that hurt? What was the

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01:44:30,439 --> 01:44:34,600
Speaker 1: blowback from the people on the inside who hired you. No,

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Speaker 1: they loved it. I mean we got way more positive

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Speaker 1: feedback than negative. Um, because anyone who was a skier

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Speaker 1: appreciated it because it actually instructed them and formed them

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Speaker 1: of what was going on. They found that really educational

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Speaker 1: and interesting and much more than just a cheerleader. Um,

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Speaker 1: which was my intent. I mean, honestly, I feel like

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Speaker 1: one of the biggest failings of of this industry has

2129
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Speaker 1: been education, has been informing people, you know, democratizing information

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Speaker 1: and UM. So that's where the way I approached it.

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Speaker 1: I after that Olympics, it was live prime time in

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Speaker 1: the US. I was a big one for me to

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01:45:09,200 --> 01:45:12,920
Speaker 1: just know that I could do and be there and execute.

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01:45:13,000 --> 01:45:15,519
Speaker 1: But afterwards I was like, I'll do it again, but

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Speaker 1: you're gonna pay me ten times as much and you're

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01:45:17,400 --> 01:45:19,080
Speaker 1: gonna fly my family. I can't be away from my

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Speaker 1: family for three weeks. And in China, Korea, UM, And

2138
01:45:23,120 --> 01:45:25,640
Speaker 1: I think they see it as talent is more or

2139
01:45:25,680 --> 01:45:29,559
Speaker 1: less interchangeable, and in this case, um, you know, they

2140
01:45:29,640 --> 01:45:32,559
Speaker 1: hired Lindsay, which I'm I love Lindsay so I'm looking

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01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:34,920
Speaker 1: forward to seeing what she can do. And where are

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Speaker 1: all your globes and medals and trophies, uh, bunch or

2143
01:45:38,760 --> 01:45:40,960
Speaker 1: in the Ski Museum in New Hampshire. Actually a buddy

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01:45:41,560 --> 01:45:44,160
Speaker 1: zoom I was on a zoom call earlier. He was

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01:45:44,160 --> 01:45:48,080
Speaker 1: there skiing at Cannon. He zoomed us um from in there.

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01:45:48,120 --> 01:45:50,120
Speaker 1: But I don't know. A bunch of them are all

2147
01:45:50,160 --> 01:45:52,000
Speaker 1: around different places. I don't. I don't think I have

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01:45:52,080 --> 01:45:54,479
Speaker 1: any in my house here, so it's kind of like

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01:45:54,520 --> 01:45:58,160
Speaker 1: a musician who keeps their grammy in the bathroom. In

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Speaker 1: any event, body, I so much for talking with me.

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01:46:02,120 --> 01:46:04,680
Speaker 1: It's really been great. You've been able to answer questions

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Speaker 1: that I've never seen either asked or answered in all

2153
01:46:08,360 --> 01:46:12,560
Speaker 1: of the ski media. So I really appreciate that. I

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01:46:12,600 --> 01:46:15,840
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Great to talk to you. Okay, hopefully I

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Speaker 1: can see on the hill one day. And I'm one

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Speaker 1: of those people. I do have those five piers of

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Speaker 1: ski so I know what you're talking about. If you've

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01:46:21,840 --> 01:46:24,360
Speaker 1: got one pier of skis, it would work. I'm all ears.

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Speaker 1: I'll get this already right out until next time. This

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Speaker 1: is Bob left Sex