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Speaker 1: I'm such a fan Rob Reiner. The I know you're

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Speaker 1: gonna blush, but you are great. The great writer, director, producer, actor,

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Speaker 1: child of the Hollywood film business from New York, director

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Speaker 1: of the Princess Bride, when Harry met Sally. A few

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Speaker 1: good men. This is fucking spinal tap misery. The American

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Speaker 1: President acted in so many things, of course, just an advocate,

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Speaker 1: an outspoken advocate, and now a podcaster my life. You

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Speaker 1: have your documentary defending My Life with Albert Brooks, the

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Speaker 1: great Albert Brooks, which that must have been so much fun.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the two you must, I mean, forget the work,

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Speaker 1: just hanging around with him.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're childhood friends, you know, we've we met each

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Speaker 2: other in high school. We've been best friends since and

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Speaker 2: that was a real labor of love.

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Speaker 1: That's so cool. That is so cool. And now you

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Speaker 1: have a podcast Who Killed JFK? Which I'm just going

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Speaker 1: to say this off the top to you, and I'm

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Speaker 1: going to say this to anybody listening. There's no way

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be able to ask all the questions

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Speaker 1: that somebody should ask, Rob Reiner.

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Speaker 3: It's impossible to do that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you should have your own documentary the things

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Speaker 1: you've seen, the things you've done, the stories, the parties,

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Speaker 1: the actors you've worked with, the actors you've directed.

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Speaker 2: Well, maybe Michael, I'll hire you. Maybe you can make

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Speaker 2: the documentary about me. That would be fucking awesome.

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Speaker 4: You do you have filmmaking skills.

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Speaker 1: I have filmmaking skills, and I've directed a couple of documentaries,

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Speaker 1: and I know, just like you know, they are an arduous, challenging.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, very difficult, Yeah, very difficult. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, just first, since we're in there, like, wouldn't

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Speaker 1: you say, on some level, making a documentary is even

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Speaker 1: more challenging than making a scripted film because of the unpredictability.

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Speaker 2: Well, the thing about, you know, making a first real

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Speaker 2: documentary I made, you know, Spinal Tap was a fake

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Speaker 3: I gotta stop you.

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Speaker 1: I gotta stop you, and I just have to say,

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Speaker 1: please make that movie.

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Speaker 3: Film.

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Speaker 1: Fans need it, the world needs it. There would be

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Speaker 1: no better time to alleviate the craziness that's going on

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Speaker 1: with a spinal tap reunion film. Please do not let

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Speaker 1: anything get in the way of that.

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Speaker 2: Well, No, we're bulling ahead here. I mean we're waiting

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Speaker 2: hearing good things strike negotiations. Yeah, I mean, excuse me,

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Speaker 2: I said writers. I meant actors strike. The writer's strike

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Speaker 2: you know, once that we're ready to go and we've

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Speaker 1: Man, I mean, that would be a fucking it just

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Speaker 1: like warms my heart to even think and to hear

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Speaker 1: you say that. Let me just start with this. I

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Speaker 3: That you saw. But you know, for me, watching All.

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Speaker 1: In the Family was such a unique thing because I

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Speaker 2: And Carol taught me about acting and how you know.

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Speaker 2: you know, in nineteen seventy one, and CBS had a disclaimer.

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Speaker 4: We don't know how it got on.

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Speaker 2: Somehow it's on the air, but you know, we don't

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Speaker 1: I personally think that not only do I think a

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, we can't be more divided. I mean

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Speaker 4: There could be a show like that, now.

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Speaker 1: But me personally, I feel like, you know, there's no

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I you know, I would hope you

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Speaker 4: Oh, look at that. I used to be on that show.

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Speaker 4: You know, it was weird.

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Speaker 4: It's is that you. You know. They couldn't imagine that

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Speaker 1: goddamn fucking another classic. I mean a goddamn fucking classic.

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Speaker 1: You make fucking classics, Rob Reiner, what was his style

436
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Speaker 1: of acting like? And what is Kathy bits like when

437
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 1: you're directing her in Misery?

438
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Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting you bring that up, because, first of all,

439
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 2: he was a Jewish guy, and he was a cowboy.

440
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 4: You know.

441
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:23,879
Speaker 2: He used to ride in a rodeo and he used

442
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 2: to rope calf He was a caf roper, and so

443
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 2: that was always weird to me, a Jewish cowboy anyway,

444
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 2: But he Jimmy's style was totally instinctive. He didn't want

445
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Speaker 2: to have rehearsals. He just whatever would come out. Kathy

446
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 2: was a stage trained actress and she liked lots of rehearsals,

447
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 2: so it was interesting. We had to do more rehearsals

448
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 2: than Jimmy would have liked and less rehearsals than Kathy

449
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Speaker 2: would have liked.

450
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Speaker 4: But they worked great together. They were amazing together.

451
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Speaker 2: And I think it worked well for Jimmy because he,

452
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Speaker 2: you know, he's very physic like you say, he's, you know,

453
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 2: macho kind of guy. He's a cowboy, right, rides horses

454
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 2: and stuff. And the idea that he would be stuck

455
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Speaker 2: in a bed that he could not be physical, he

456
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 2: couldn't move for the whole movie. It was like a

457
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 2: perfect thing for him because it restricted him and made

458
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Speaker 2: his frustration even greater. And every day I would come

459
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Speaker 2: to the set and I would say to Jimmy, I'd

460
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Speaker 2: walk in close.

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00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 4: I said, Jimmy, like, in this scene, what I want

462
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 4: is for you to be in bed. And then I'd

463
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Speaker 4: walk away.

464
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Speaker 2: Every day I said that in this scene you're in bed,

465
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Speaker 2: I just walked away.

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Speaker 4: That is funny.

467
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 2: But he was great, and he his frustration came out

468
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Speaker 2: and it was really good.

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Speaker 3: I love that so much.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to go into every film,

471
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Speaker 1: but again, The Princess Bride stand by Me is such

472
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Speaker 1: another beautiful, beautiful, beautiful film that I just rewatched and

473
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Speaker 1: I put on I was doing a list of top

474
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Speaker 1: of my favorite summer films, you know, and I just

475
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 1: rewatched it this summer. When you're acting you acted in

476
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 1: the Wolf of Wall Street. When you're acting in something

477
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: like that, and obviously you're a fan, I don't have

478
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 1: to ask. You're a fan of cinema, you're a fan

479
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 1: of actors, you're a fan of films. When you're acting

480
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 1: under scoresese and you don't have to worry about every

481
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Speaker 1: single thing.

482
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Speaker 3: Are you like, this is a day at the beach?

483
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Speaker 1: Are you kind of checking out what he does because

484
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 1: I'm sure you love what he does?

485
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Speaker 3: Like, what is that like for you?

486
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 4: And what was specifically like it is like a day

487
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Speaker 4: at the beach. I love.

488
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Speaker 2: You know, to act is fun because you don't have

489
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Speaker 2: the responsibilities. I mean you're just there. And you know,

490
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 2: especially when you know with somebody like Martin Scorre says,

491
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Speaker 2: I mean, the guy's brilliant. He's a great, great filmmaker,

492
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 2: so you don't have to worry about anything. And he

493
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 2: makes you feel comfortable, let you improvise, He lets you

494
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Speaker 2: do whatever you want. And you know, I love being

495
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Speaker 2: on other people's sets because I see how they do.

496
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I did a partner Woody Allen

497
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 2: film and I saw how he liked to work. And

498
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 2: to me, you know, it's fun because I get to

499
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,479
Speaker 2: see what other people do. I remember one time Ron

500
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 2: Ron Howard sent me. He wanted me to be in

501
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 2: something and he said, I got this thing if you'd

502
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,360
Speaker 2: like to do, I said, yeah, I'll be in it.

503
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 2: And he said, well don't you want Let me send

504
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 2: you the script. You'll read it and see if. I says,

505
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 2: I don't have to read it. I said, if it's

506
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Speaker 2: no good, it's not my fault.

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Speaker 4: Hahaha.

508
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 2: I'm just acting. I'm an actor. I'm not to get it,

509
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 2: you know. And I try, you know, so it to me,

510
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 2: it's just fun. It's just fun to do and there's

511
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 2: not a lot of responsibility, which is kind of fun.

512
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Speaker 1: What did you take away or what did you notice

513
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Speaker 1: a surprised interesting about working for Scorsese as an actor.

514
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Speaker 2: Well, like I say, he lets you play, I mean

515
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 2: you can improvise, and he lets you do that, and

516
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,679
Speaker 2: so I was comfortable doing that in a number of scenes.

517
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 2: And and but if you have people that you can

518
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,360
Speaker 2: do it with, it's great. Like one scene with Jonah Hill,

519
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you could play back and forth

520
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 2: with him. There was one scene I remember I was

521
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 2: sitting there, you know, I'm standing with Leo's in the middle,

522
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 2: and then as Jon Favreau is a great director too,

523
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 2: and he's the law he's his lawyer, and we're standing

524
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 2: there and he's got it's in front of this beautiful

525
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 2: setting on Long Island with his wife and his kid

526
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 2: and their horseback riding and there's a great, you know,

527
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 2: beautiful acreage and everything. And I'm saying to him, I said, look,

528
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 2: his lawyer says, look, you know, we can make a

529
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 2: settlement here for this, and you can, You'll only go

530
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 2: to jail for a year or two, and you know,

531
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 2: or we can settle it in the thing. And he

532
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 2: goes and I says, listen to what he says. Listen

533
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,199
Speaker 2: to what he says. You don't want to throw this

534
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 2: all away. Look, you got your wife, your kids. You know,

535
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 2: you don't want to throw this all away. And he says,

536
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 2: I hear you. And I said, and then that was

537
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 2: the end of the scene. I said, no, I don't

538
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 2: think you hear me. I don't hear you hearing me.

539
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 2: And that, to me, it was like I felt like

540
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 2: I was in the Scorsese film. You know, it's like,

541
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,959
Speaker 2: you know, you don't even know what you mean by you,

542
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 2: you know, like in Raging Bull. And then I said,

543
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 2: actually said, I feel like I'm in a Martin Scorsese film.

544
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 4: And he said, all right, cut it, you know, just

545
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 4: to move.

546
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: Off of Hollywood. The actors strike, the writers strike. You know,

547
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: it's so it's been so frustrating, you know, the business

548
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: has changed so much, just as at the time that

549
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 1: I've been in it. Do you see an end of

550
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: the actors strike? And I mean, you know, my theor

551
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: this is what my suggestion is. At this point, our

552
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: biggest stars, the biggest time Cruz, Margot Robby, who just

553
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: made a piece of property worth a billion dollars, Denzel Leonardo,

554
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: you know you could get the fifteen best, the biggest best,

555
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: Jennifer Lawrence, Viola Davis, you know, get them. They go

556
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: in front of these producers and they represent the actors

557
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: and they go, what the fuck?

558
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 4: You know?

559
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 1: Like, if I'm Margot Robbie, I mean, you can't tell

560
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: her no, she just made a piece of property that

561
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 1: was worth a billion dollars. Where do you see this going?

562
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: How do you see this ending? You know, both sides.

563
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: Because you're you're probably an ever. You get insurance from

564
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: up the wazoo, your screen actors Guild, your producer's Guild.

565
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 3: Your writers guild. What what do you see? Just in

566
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 3: regards to the actors.

567
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 2: Rob Well, I mean, like you say, it's a very

568
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 2: strange time, and uh, I don't think we know how

569
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 2: this is all gonna shake out right now. I think

570
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: that the actors, you know, are making progress and hopefully

571
00:28:55,400 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 2: they'll they'll settle. But the contract that they signed usually

572
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 2: goes for three years, and in three years time, this

573
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 2: landscape is going to change dramatically, and we don't know

574
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 2: the effects of AI and where that's going to go.

575
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 2: We don't know whether or not all the streaming platforms

576
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 2: are still going to exist.

577
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 4: The way they do.

578
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 2: Is there going to be commercials on streaming platforms and

579
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 2: it's not going to just be about subscription? And where

580
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 2: are the revenue streams coming? And it's now it's all unknown,

581
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 2: So you have to make a deal that's somewhat good.

582
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 2: It's as good as you can, and then hopefully if

583
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 2: it starts to form itself and shake itself out in

584
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 2: a certain way, then you can address it a little better,

585
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 2: because right now we're in a very gray, amorphous area

586
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 2: in terms of where revenue is going to come from.

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00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good way to put it.

588
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: And you're right, I didn't even think, you know, of

589
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: three years ahead how it's going to change, because who

590
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: the hell knows what kind of technology. I mean, if

591
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: you've played around with this AI shit, it's it's shocking

592
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: what it does. Yeah, and I've only done it. You know,

593
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: like on apps on my phone.

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Speaker 3: You know that there's music, there's all sorts of shit

595
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 3: that Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you're an actor, it seems to me

597
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 2: it's an easier thing to control if you're an actor,

598
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 2: because there should be ways of copywriting your your image

599
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 2: and your voice and all of that so that they

600
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 2: can't take certain things of you and use them in

601
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 2: ways that you don't agree on. With writers, it's tougher

602
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 2: because they can take writing samples from everywhere and you

603
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 2: can't identify where that came from in terms of creating

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00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 2: a new product.

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00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 4: So I think it's much tougher for writers.

606
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 2: Than it is for actors, to be honest, I agree

607
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 2: in terms of controlling AI.

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Speaker 3: I agree, that's the scariest part. But they made it deal.

609
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: And still the actors are out here with signs and

610
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: it's getting cold in New York.

611
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 4: Rob.

612
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: The party you know, like I were like partying out

613
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: there is Today was the first cold is day.

614
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 3: So we need to get this shit fixed.

615
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna totally pivot to politics and social stuff. And

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00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: since you are starting your podcast on iHeartRadio who Killed JFK?

617
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Speaker 1: Which I know you have been interested and fascinated with

618
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Speaker 1: for a long time, Who did kill JFK? Come answer

619
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Speaker 1: the fucking question right now, Rob Reiner.

620
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to answer it, but if you want

621
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 2: to know how I got to this answer, then you

622
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 2: have to listen to the podcast, because it's simple and

623
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 2: complicated at the same time. And what I tried to

624
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 2: do with the podcast is lay it out what actually

625
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 2: happened and try to make it as digestible for people

626
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 2: who don't know the story, and make it not so

627
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 2: overly explained for people who do know a lot about this.

628
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: Because what's interesting about all of this is information about

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00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 2: what happened on November twenty second, nineteen sixty three has

630
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 2: dribbled out over the last sixty years. So whatever you

631
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 2: think you knew at the time, five years later, ten

632
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 2: years later, twenty years later, new stuff is still coming out.

633
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: Something came out within the last month or so. And

634
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 2: we have this guy Paul Landis, who was a Secret

635
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 2: Service agent who was on the follow car behind Kennedy,

636
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 2: who found the bullet that they called the single bullet.

637
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 2: And that blows the whole case open because the argument

638
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 2: has always been was it Lee Harvey Oswald by himself

639
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 2: or was he part of a larger conspiracy? And here's

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Speaker 2: what's interesting. The Warrant Commission said, as it's Lee Harvey

641
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 2: Oswall all by himself. A little over ten years later,

642
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 2: the House Select Committee on assassinations says it was a conspiracy.

643
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 2: Now they don't say what this conspiracy was, but they

644
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 2: say the exact opposite. And because they didn't have all

645
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 2: the information. I interviewed the guy who was the head

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00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 2: legal counsel for the House Select Committee, and he himself said,

647
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 2: if I knew then what I know now, it would

648
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:33,239
Speaker 2: have been completely different because he had no idea the

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Speaker 2: CIA's involvement and how they were involved in this. You

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Speaker 2: have to understand. And you know, we wouldn't get too

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Speaker 2: far in the weeds because you listen to the podcast.

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Speaker 2: But Alan Dulles, who was the first non military guy

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Speaker 2: to head up the CIA, he was the gatekeeper for

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Speaker 2: the Warrant Commission, and no information about the CIA and

655
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Speaker 2: their relationship and their relationship to Oswald ever came out

656
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Speaker 2: in the Warren Commission. The House Select Committee had another

657
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Speaker 2: guy named George Joannides who was a CIA agent and

658
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Speaker 2: he was the gatekeeper of CIA information coming into that investigation.

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Speaker 2: Turns out he was the head of a program that

660
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Speaker 2: cultivated people like Lee Harvey Oswald, so he was keeping

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Speaker 2: things out and that's what when this guy Robert Blake

662
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 2: heard it.

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Speaker 4: It was the legal counsel.

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Speaker 2: He said, Gee, if I'd have known that, I would

665
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Speaker 2: have investigated him. I didn't know that any of this stuff.

666
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Speaker 2: So all this stuff has come out, and what we

667
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Speaker 2: will tell you is that there were elements of the CIA,

668
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Speaker 2: and these are all rogue elements. This is not a

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Speaker 2: on the books plan. This is done in a rogue

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Speaker 2: kind of way. And I talked to some CIA agents

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Speaker 2: who also said it had all the earmarks of a

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Speaker 2: CIA type operation. It's a combination of them, the Cuban

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Speaker 2: exiles who were kicked out of Cuba in nineteen fifty

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Speaker 2: nine when Castro took over and were dying to get

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Speaker 2: back into Cuba, and it was the mafia who were

676
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 2: also furious about not only getting kicked out of Cuba

677
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Speaker 2: and losing their hotels and casinos, but they were furious

678
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 2: at the Kennedys for prosecuting them for being mobsters. So

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00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 2: you had those three elements that came together in a

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Speaker 2: way in a very simpler When you hear the story

681
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 2: and it's laid out, it's complicated, but then when you

682
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 2: hear how it's done, it's pretty simple.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait to listen to it.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to listen to it, and it's a

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Speaker 1: never ending, fascinating, infuriating, confusing stories.

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Speaker 4: Well, I try to make it.

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Speaker 2: It is confusing, and I try to make it as

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Speaker 2: simple as understandable as possible. Like I've said, we say

689
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Speaker 2: at the beginning, it's the greatest murder mystery in the

690
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Speaker 2: history of an America. There's never been a greater murder mystery.

691
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Speaker 2: A president of the United States is gunned down in

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Speaker 2: broad daylight on an American street. And we're sixty years

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Speaker 2: later and people are still trying to put all the

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Speaker 2: pieces together.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, who killed JFK? I can't wait to listen.

696
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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about my favorite ex president,

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Speaker 1: Dick Stain, Donald Trump, pig Dick Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: We started with that. Where are you at today?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I personally agree with what you said at

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Speaker 1: the top, that through hell high water, indictment after indictment,

701
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Speaker 1: a gag order after gag order, that he will be

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Speaker 1: running for president in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: And right now, if you look at the polls, he

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Speaker 2: is going to win. He is up in all the

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Speaker 2: battleground states, and when you factor in additional candidates. Bobby

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Speaker 2: Kennedy Junior, A no labels, candidate Cornell West, who is

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Speaker 2: running an independent campaign. All of these will take votes

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Speaker 2: away from Biden in the key swing states. And that's

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Speaker 2: you know, anywhere from four to eight states that are

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Speaker 2: in play, and that's the whole American election is based

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Speaker 2: on those states. And the margins of victory in those

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Speaker 2: states are very slim. I mean, Biden won Arizona by

713
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Speaker 2: a slim margin. He won Georgia by a slim margin.

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Speaker 2: He's winning all these states by slim margin. All you

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Speaker 2: have to do is start peeling votes away from him,

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Speaker 2: and he doesn't win that. And you know, Trump may

717
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 2: not even get to two seventy in electoral votes. But

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Speaker 2: if Biden doesn't get to two seventy, then it's thrown

719
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Speaker 2: into the House of Representatives and we know what that'll be.

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Speaker 2: They'll elect Trump. So right now, where we are with

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Speaker 2: a great economy that people don't believe as a great

722
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Speaker 2: economy for some reason, they're not feeling it.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: You've got unemployment at the lowest rates it's been in

725
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Speaker 2: fifty years, You've got inflation under control and jobs being

726
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Speaker 2: created like incredible. People don't feel it. So, you know,

727
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Speaker 2: they say it's economy stupid to me. It's not just

728
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 2: the economy stupid. It's a choice we have. We are

729
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 2: either going to decide we want to maintain the democracy

730
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Speaker 2: that we have after two hundred and forty eight years.

731
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Speaker 2: Are we going to still be a government of self

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Speaker 2: rule and a rule of law, or are we going

733
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Speaker 2: to give our way over to an autocracy, which is

734
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Speaker 2: what Donald Trump will do and said he will do.

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Speaker 4: So, the choice can't be more clear.

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Speaker 2: And to be honest with you, and I'm gonna work

737
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Speaker 2: as hard as I can just figure out a way.

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Speaker 2: I even call Bobby Kennedy up and I said, Bobby,

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Speaker 2: you're you're you're going to put Trump back in the

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Speaker 2: White House. And he said, no, no, no, I'm going

741
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Speaker 2: to draw more votes from Trump than I will from Biden.

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Speaker 2: That's not true, don't know. There are polls that say

743
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Speaker 2: the exact opposite. And you have to understand that there

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Speaker 2: are no Trump voters that are going because Bobby Kennedy's

745
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Speaker 2: on the ballot, that are gonna leave Trump. Those people

746
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Speaker 2: are locked in. They're not going anywhere the only way.

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Speaker 2: The only votes he can get are independent votes or

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Speaker 2: votes that would have gone to Biden.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't. There's no argument about this.

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Speaker 2: So I begged him and I said, please, don't do this,

751
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Speaker 2: and you know, he's going ahead and he thinks he

752
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Speaker 2: can win.

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Speaker 3: And I got losing. What what the fuck is he talking?

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Speaker 1: He can't win, He's not gonna win.

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Speaker 4: No, he can't win.

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Speaker 3: He can't be president of the United States, Kennedy. Yes, yes, daddy.

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Speaker 1: And that's in fucking the fact that he thinks that

758
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Speaker 1: is so fucking ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: He's not gonna fucking win.

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Speaker 4: He's not even gonna come. He's not gonna be No,

761
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Speaker 4: he's not gonna be president.

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Speaker 2: The only thing he can do is put Trump back

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Speaker 2: in the White House.

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Speaker 4: And uh, you know, listen, we've lived through it.

765
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Speaker 2: We saw on a smaller scale, we saw Ralph Nader

766
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Speaker 2: put George W in the White House over al Gore

767
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 2: because of vote in Florida. We saw it in a

768
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Speaker 2: bigger way the both elections for Clinton. Ross Perot put

769
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Speaker 2: Clinton in the White House. Clinton never got fifty percent

770
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Speaker 2: of the vote. He had forty three percent, I think,

771
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Speaker 2: or forty four for forty six and then he never

772
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Speaker 2: got fifty percent. The first election, nineteen percent went to

773
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Speaker 2: Ross Paro. The second, I think it was like seven

774
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Speaker 2: or eight percent. The point is those third party candidates

775
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Speaker 2: swing elections one way or the other. And that's fine

776
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Speaker 2: when you have a choice between you know, Clinton or

777
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Speaker 2: it's going to be George h w. I mean, you know,

778
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Speaker 2: I'd rather have Clinton or that. But this is not

779
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Speaker 2: that kind of choice. This is do you want democracy

780
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Speaker 2: or autocracy? That's what we're dealing with here.

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Speaker 1: To stay on Kennedy, and if you called him, you

782
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Speaker 1: must have some sort of relationship with him. Do you

783
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Speaker 1: think there's some sort of is it ego or is

784
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: it some hidden nefarious reason for him running when you

785
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: could say what you want him. This is not an

786
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Speaker 1: uneducated shit. The guy's more educated about politics.

787
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Speaker 4: He's very smart.

788
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Speaker 1: And how the fuck you think that he's going to

789
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Speaker 1: be president of the United States.

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Speaker 3: He's not gonna be.

791
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Speaker 2: Very cares He's a very charismatic guy and I've known

792
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Speaker 2: him for a long time. He's uh, you know, he's

793
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Speaker 2: married to a woman who was Michelle and my assistant,

794
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 2: you know, worked at worked with us at the house

795
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 2: and then you know, before she got to her job

796
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 2: playing Larry David's wife on h Curb Your Enthusiasm and

797
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Speaker 2: so I've known him for all time. He's a very

798
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 2: smart guy, and he's very bright, and uh, you know,

799
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Speaker 2: I used to love when he was a part of

800
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Speaker 2: the NRDC and he was fighting for the river keepers

801
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Speaker 2: and you know, fighting for the environment.

802
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 4: But I you know, he's gone.

803
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Speaker 2: Into a direction that I don't particularly like, you know,

804
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,919
Speaker 2: the anti vaxer thing and all and certain things. But

805
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 2: I don't know. I can't get an in his head

806
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 2: and say what I think he thinks. But I do

807
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Speaker 2: believe he thinks he can win.

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Speaker 1: I am not as politically astute as you are. I

809
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 1: only you know what inspired me to get into pay attention,

810
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: to not get into but to pay attention more to

811
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: politics was my dislike and being personally offended that Trump

812
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: spoke the way he speaks. That's what really, you know,

813
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: has helped me be as educated as I am now.

814
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Speaker 1: And I got plenty, plenty, plenty plenty more to learn.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I didn't.

816
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 2: I've always been politically involved, you know, I've been doing

817
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 2: that for as long as I can remember, but I

818
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 2: was never on social media. Until Trump got the nomination

819
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen, I went, what the hell this guy?

820
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 2: He's not you know, he may be smart about how

821
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 2: to sell himself. What I've said over the years is

822
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 2: that he's been a failure and everything he's ever done,

823
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 2: the only thing he's successful at is convincing people he's

824
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 2: not a failure, and he's great at that. And so

825
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 2: I got on social media. My wife said, you know,

826
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 2: you got to talk, you got to speak out about this,

827
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 2: and so I did. And I've been on social media

828
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Speaker 2: since then because I can't believe that this country is

829
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Speaker 2: going down this path and that it's still going.

830
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Speaker 4: Down this path.

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Speaker 2: And I made a documentary about, like I say, about

832
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 2: Christian nationalism, which now Trump is completely tapped into. You know,

833
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 2: he's you know, they think of him as the second

834
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Speaker 2: Coming and that he's you know, sent by God, and

835
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 2: Trump is owning all that stuff, and that's why they'll

836
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 2: ever leave him. They believe that that he's ordained, you know,

837
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 2: he's ordained to be president.

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Speaker 4: And it's it's scary, it's scary.

839
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Speaker 1: Based on the documentary that you have coming out, what's

840
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Speaker 1: the title of a rob.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're now filling around with the title. We have

842
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 2: two titles which we're fiddling around with, and the press

843
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 2: release is going to come out soon on it, so len,

844
00:43:58,880 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 2: you know, but but what's.

845
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Speaker 1: Great yea, and some other titles that never made the

846
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Speaker 1: final cut. I'm sure, oh yeah, sure. But in this one,

847
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: it's not an attack on Christianity. It's the exact opposite.

848
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Speaker 1: In it, we have some very thoughtful conservative evangelicals talking

849
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: about the danger of white nationalism to Christianity itself and

850
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 1: that it's being used as a political tool to gain

851
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: power and it is gone very far away.

852
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Speaker 2: From the teachings of Jesus. And that's what they talk about.

853
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: And so you'll see and that the basis of January

854
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 2: sixth is people who are of that movement who believe

855
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Speaker 2: that God wants them to do this. And you know,

856
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 2: you see it, Marjorie Taylor Green. And you've got the

857
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Speaker 2: Speaker of the House now, you know, Mike Johnson, who

858
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 2: is one of those people who believes that, you know,

859
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Speaker 2: I governed by the Word of God, not by.

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Speaker 4: You know, what people know. You know.

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Speaker 2: So it's it's scary. This whole where we are is

862
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 2: a very scary place in this country.

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00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 3: You stop me in my tracks with that ship.

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Speaker 1: Man, do you identify or identify? Are you Republican, Democrat, Independent,

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Speaker 1: what do you sort of you know, I guess the

867
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Speaker 1: word I identify?

868
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 4: What like?

869
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 3: Do you even call yourself either one.

870
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 2: I've been a Democrat my whole life. People who don't

871
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 2: know me, uh, you know, on social media they call

872
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 2: me a lib tard. They call me drinking baby's blood.

873
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: I'm flying off to you know, have you whatever?

874
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 3: Adrea ss Island.

875
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, fairly, I've been there a lot.

876
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 3: I've never been to the mo of my life, but yeah,

877
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 3: but I've been many times.

878
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, me too.

879
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 2: But I'm I'm much more moderate, you know. I would

880
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 2: say I'm left of center for sure. But I've been

881
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 2: in the political world for a long time, and I

882
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 2: know about building consensus. I've had legislation passed here in

883
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 2: California where I had to bring a lot of disparate

884
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 2: groups together, and I understand about compromise and having to

885
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 2: work with the you know, the other side. I've done

886
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 2: all that stuff. So I'm not stupid enough to think.

887
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not perfect as the enemy the of

888
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,399
Speaker 2: the good, I don't believe that. I believe you want

889
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 2: to get things done for people. You fight for as

890
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 2: hard as you can for what you believe in, but

891
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,720
Speaker 2: ultimately you have to make a compromise. But you can't

892
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 2: compromise with people who don't believe two plus two is four.

893
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 2: You have to have a basic set of givens that

894
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 2: you say, Okay, we all believe two plus two is four.

895
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,439
Speaker 4: How do we get to that? How do we get there?

896
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 2: But if you say no, no, I believe that, then

897
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 2: then you can't have an honest disk rushion with people.

898
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 2: And I think that's where we are now. The Republican

899
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 2: Party has been co opted by people. A lot of

900
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 2: them will believe the world is six thousand years old

901
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 2: and we're ten thout. Whatever they believe.

902
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:13,760
Speaker 1: You know, I know it's hard to remember, like where

903
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: your head was exactly at in nineteen seventy nineteen seventy

904
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Speaker 1: one of Vietnam post Vietnam, and you're playing one of

905
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: these college post college. I don't know if meathead, and

906
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: I say that with all due of respect, you know

907
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 1: it went to college with.

908
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 4: All with love. You're saying it with love.

909
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 3: On fucking meat heead. I mean, are you kidding me?

910
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: But did you ever imagine that the country would be

911
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: as divided as it is now?

912
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 4: Well, that's the thing, that's what's crazy.

913
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 2: I mean, and why I've been so fixated on the

914
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 2: Kennedy assassination is because when Kennedy died, he was planning

915
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 2: to get us out of Vietnam. He had written this

916
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:59,760
Speaker 2: memo which took a thousand troops out of Vietnam right away,

917
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 2: all military out of Vietnam by the end of nineteen

918
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 2: sixty five. Then he gets assassinated. Lindon Johnson becomes president

919
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,399
Speaker 2: and we go full bore into Vietnam, and we were,

920
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,720
Speaker 2: you know, in a quagmire there for a long time.

921
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 2: That was the beginning of the divide. We started to divide.

922
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 2: Then half the country was against the war in Vietnam,

923
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 2: half the country was in favor of it. And so

924
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 2: we started that divide. And then things started to you know,

925
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 2: close up a little bit. You know. Johnson passed a

926
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Speaker 2: lot of great legislation, the Civil Rights Act, the Voting

927
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 2: Rights Act, Medicare, Medicaid, all those things got passed, and

928
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 2: we were on a good trajectory of becoming this pluralistic

929
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:45,959
Speaker 2: society where we had. And it culminated with Barack Obama

930
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 2: becoming president and we say, oh good, finally the realization

931
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 2: of America is finally coming to fruition, and then we

932
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 2: see the backlash, and the backlash is all these people

933
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 2: that were sub merged for all this time where you

934
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 2: couldn't be you know, you couldn't be overtly racist and

935
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 2: all that stuff. So now it's bubbled up and they've

936
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 2: got a vessel in Trump and we're seeing this the

937
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:17,720
Speaker 2: divide open up even bigger than it was during Vietnam.

938
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Speaker 1: That's a good answer, and I appreciate that. And you

939
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: speak of overtly racism, overtly racist, you know, for me

940
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: as a Jewish person, I'm fifty three.

941
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Speaker 3: I grew up in New York City, right Manhattan.

942
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Speaker 1: I never ever, to be honest with you, I've never

943
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: dealt face to face with anti Semitism in my life

944
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Speaker 1: still to this day, fortunately right in my face.

945
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Speaker 4: Ye.

946
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: You know, these last three weeks of the open anti

947
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: semitism towards Jewish people, towards Israel, are you surprised?

948
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,959
Speaker 3: How has it affected you? How?

949
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: Oh are you processing everything that is going on in

950
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: the world right now? Because just when you know, for me,

951
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if you see my my

952
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: rants on Trump, you know, I had to put that

953
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: shit on the back burner.

954
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 2: You know, and I didn't. No, no, because it No,

955
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 2: you're right. I mean I've seen those rants and they're

956
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 2: funny and they're great and they're all that. But no,

957
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 2: you can't because the world is now being torn apart,

958
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 2: and you know, as a Jewish person myself, it's frightening.

959
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 2: I mean, anti Semitism has always been there as long

960
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 2: as I can remember. But like you, I grew up

961
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 2: in the Bronx and in New York and then out

962
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 2: here in Los Angeles, and I never came face to

963
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,720
Speaker 2: face with it like that because I'm in a world

964
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 2: where there are a lot of Jewish people and you know,

965
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 2: and so on. But the rampant anti Semitism now is

966
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 2: very frightening, and you're seeing it on college campuses and

967
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 2: you know, speaking and I yesterday I actually did a

968
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 2: you know, a video for this group that are Holocaust survivors,

969
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 2: people who have you know, and they're you know, not

970
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 2: many of them left. I have my aunt who lives

971
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 2: in Atlanta. She lost her entire family and she was

972
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 2: in Aschwitz and she's survived. And my wife's mother also

973
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 2: is in Ashwitz and lost her entire family there, and

974
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 2: she was the only survivor from her family. So I'm

975
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 2: very conscious of where this can go. You know, where

976
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 2: this kind of hatred can go. And when it's marshaled

977
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 2: by someone like it was in the thirties with Hitler,

978
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 2: we see where it can go. And I just tell people,

979
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 2: don't think it can't happen. Don't think it can't happen.

980
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 2: All you need to get is somebody to be the

981
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 2: vessel of all of that. And so let's see. I mean,

982
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 2: it's scary, it's really scary.

983
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is scary, and it can go.

984
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: And you know, I was saying the other day, if

985
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:04,280
Speaker 1: the IDF hadn't showed up on October seventh, they weren't

986
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: going to stop. It wasn't like they were like, we

987
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: want to just do this. That and the third they

988
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: would have kept going. And if they could that day,

989
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: they would have kept go. They would have done the

990
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 1: whole thing in one day.

991
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And here's what's tricky about all this. So

992
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 2: you have to defend yourself and you have to attack back.

993
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 2: I mean, you can't just let somebody do what you

994
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 2: just said. But at a certain point, wy it shifts.

995
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 2: And then people said saying, now we're seeing yes, fourteen

996
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 2: hundred people killed babies and destroyed and raping and.

997
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 4: All that horror.

998
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 2: But now we're doing that and you're seeing the images

999
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 2: of those little babies and and and people who are

1000
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 2: innocent and they don't subscribe to amos.

1001
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 4: So is this the solution?

1002
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 2: There has to be a way that we don't do it,

1003
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 2: you know, full bore.

1004
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 4: I worry about this, you know, I worry about the hostage.

1005
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 2: I worry about where's are standing in the world and

1006
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 2: if we're not going to be for peace for everyone.

1007
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 2: And there's two state solutions a million miles away, but

1008
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 2: that ultimately has to be where we wind up. And

1009
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 2: I don't know if we ever can wind up there,

1010
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 2: because my feeling is, you kill these are Mosu people

1011
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 2: and twenty more grow in their place.

1012
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:16,439
Speaker 4: You know, it's you know.

1013
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:20,720
Speaker 2: You don't you can't kill hatred. You know, you can't

1014
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 2: kill hatred. You just have to find a way of

1015
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 2: containing it somehow and not letting it bubble to the

1016
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 2: surface like it has. And it's not just you know,

1017
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 2: in the Middle East, it's you know, it's when we

1018
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 2: went into a rock that was like the stupidest thing

1019
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 2: we could ever have done. I said, you know, you

1020
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 2: didn't anybody ever see Lawrence of Arabia. You know you're

1021
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 2: not gonna walk in there and plunk a democracy down

1022
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 2: it like, oh well, just make that a democracy doesn't

1023
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 2: work that way. So you know, this is all scary times,

1024
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 2: and it's it's scary to be a Jew and it's

1025
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 2: scary to be a Muslim. You know, it's scary for

1026
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,399
Speaker 2: on both sides right now, and we got to find

1027
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 2: a way to dial it down.

1028
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 4: I don't know that that's what we're doing right now.

1029
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 4: I agree.

1030
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 3: I'm gonna let you go, Rob Reiner, I will.

1031
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 4: First before we go.

1032
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 2: Before we go, you just have to say with the

1033
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 2: JFK Podcast, it starts on November eighth.

1034
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: November eighth, did you say did we say that? I'm

1035
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,359
Speaker 1: saying it again. We said it once and I'll say

1036
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: it at the top. The JFK Podcast, created directed by

1037
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: the great director, actor, performer who killed JFK on iHeart Radio.

1038
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: It premieres on November eighth. So many more things in

1039
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 1: the chamber. You said it, and I'm gonna I'm gonna

1040
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,959
Speaker 1: listen Rob next year when this strike is done. This

1041
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: is spinal tap we're gonna have? Is it the reunion,

1042
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: is it? This is spinal Tap Part two?

1043
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 2: Do you do you have I'm not gonna tell you.

1044
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna tell you we have a whole story,

1045
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 2: but we're getting it done well. Yes, the still as

1046
00:54:59,400 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 2: the strikes over.

1047
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: And I also suggest if people want some levity, you can

1048
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 1: go watch any and all episodes of All in the Family,

1049
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: The Princess Bride when Harry Sally always makes you smile.

1050
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 3: Stand by me.

1051
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: This is spinal tap misery, A few good men, or

1052
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: anything that has anything to do with the great Rob Reiner,

1053
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: his family, a Car Reiner and everything that you've touched.

1054
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 1: It has just brought joy to the world. And I

1055
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 1: suggest people watching now because we needed more than ever.

1056
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: What a pleasure, Like I said, Rob, I've been a

1057
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: fan for such a long time as an actor, as

1058
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 1: a director, as a producer, and as a commentator on

1059
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:40,879
Speaker 1: what's going on in the world today. It was really

1060
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: a pleasure and I can't wait to listen to the

1061
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: podcast and the documentary with Albert Brooks.

1062
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,919
Speaker 2: Thank you, Michael Rapperboard. I had a fun time being

1063
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 2: on your show.

1064
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 3: Thank you, Rob. I'll talk to you so my friend.

1065
00:55:51,719 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, y