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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt. Our colleague Noel is on an

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Speaker 1: adventure today. They call me Ben. We're joined as always

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Speaker 1: with our super producer Paul Mission control decads. Most importantly,

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Speaker 1: you are you, You are here, and that makes this

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Speaker 1: the stuff they don't want you to know. Matt, I

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Speaker 1: had not heard of today's episode until you hipped me

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Speaker 1: to it a number of gosh, it must have been

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Speaker 1: a number of years ago, now maybe months. Sure, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm not I cannot recall when we had the conversation

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Speaker 1: I are are pretty especially back in the days when

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Speaker 1: ongoing conversations about things we think are interesting and what

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Speaker 1: we're trying to research in the backgrounds so that we

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Speaker 1: every episode of stuff they want you know that you

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Speaker 1: hear on the air, there are probably ten to fifteen

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Speaker 1: at any given time that we're also evaluating, which is

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Speaker 1: why we greatly appreciate recommendations from you, our fellow conspiracy realists.

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Speaker 1: And usually when I bring something up to Ben, it's

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Speaker 1: it's this is how it goes everybody, Ben, Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: there's this place. And then he'll say, uh, you mean

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Speaker 1: the the Quiet Zone, the Silo Zone and Mexico and okay, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: uh this is weird. Yeah. Well, Matt, you and I

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Speaker 1: uh uh, you and I created stuff that wants you

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Speaker 1: fascinated with things that we're not really in mainstream news coverage,

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Speaker 1: Twilight Zone and Time Life's Mystery of the Unknown books,

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Speaker 1: things like that, and yes, yes, how could we It

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Speaker 1: would be egregious. So, like many folks who listened to

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Speaker 1: We're talking about stuff like Roswell, the JFK assassination, and

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Speaker 1: of course the Bermuda Triangle. Everybody knows the legend of

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Speaker 1: the Bermuda Triangle, and we've we've covered it a couple

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Speaker 1: primarily in YouTube. Is that correct that? Yes, I don't

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Speaker 1: if only because we're we're talking about land in in

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Speaker 1: How come there's never like, you know, how come there's

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Speaker 1: something called the Mapemi Silent Zone, also known as Mexico's

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Speaker 1: care whether it was an angel or meteorite. He had

425
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: no idea it was a missile, but he wouldn't have

426
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: cared about that either. He was pissed and he was

427
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: trying to figure out who he was supposed to be

428
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: ticked off at because the crash panicked all his cattle.

429
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 1: They broke out of their corrals, they were running wild,

430
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: and he was like, someone must answer for this, this disturbance.

431
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: And so when the government eventually came looking for its missile,

432
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: the US government, we mean they accidentally threw more and

433
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: more gas on the fire speculation because picture this, you're

434
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 1: a resident of this area. Well, if you lived near

435
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: this area and you know something is up because you're

436
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 1: seeing a lot of like soldiers and military personnel doing stuff,

437
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: but no one's telling you what's going on, speculation is

438
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: going to run wild. They're trying to keep this operation secret,

439
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: but it's simply impossible to keep a recovery operation of

440
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: that scale secret in this sort of environment. And nobody

441
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: like they were so focused on making this operation secret

442
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: that they didn't ask the locals what they saw. They

443
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: didn't ask where they thought something might have landed. So,

444
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: if you're in Mexico at this time, it's like a

445
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:03,239
Speaker 1: real life in black. But they're not they're not interviewing you.

446
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: They don't want to mess with you. Nobody's talking to

447
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: the rancher. He's just getting more and more upset and fury,

448
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: like he's reaching um, he's reaching like Bill Burr levels

449
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: in my head of of outrage. And instead, what they

450
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: did was they hired people from a place called Gomez

451
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: Palacio two quietly search the area the bulson for the

452
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: missing missile, while US planes flew overhead to look at too,

453
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: you know, look for it that way. And then that

454
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: that compounds the paranoia and the problem because you know,

455
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: you're an average resident here, You've probably never seen this

456
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: many planes flying over You're part of the world for

457
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: this long, right, So it took them three weeks to

458
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: find the wreckage. Uh, this thing was mostly what was

459
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: left of it was buried nose first in a sand dune.

460
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: The fact that it took three weeks can give you

461
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: a sense of how rural this area is. They formed

462
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: a local security force to protect the missile once they

463
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: found the crash site, to keep away vandals, sights here's

464
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: possibly looters. And the person who was running this security

465
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: force was a local town resident. His name was Gonzalez.

466
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: And if you go there now, you'll see that there's

467
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: a little marker commemorating him at the site. There's a

468
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: small hill in the reserve that overlooks the Zone of Silence,

469
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: or where the zone of Silence was at the time

470
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: they erected that monument. See that's a spoiler. It's a

471
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: little bit of foreshadowing. Ben just want to jump in

472
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: here really quickly talk about this Toledo Toledo Blade article

473
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: from August four. It's interesting as we're talking to you

474
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: about this because the reporting that we've found online that

475
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: exists right now, contemporary stuff from the two thousands, not

476
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: some of it from the nineties. It does give you

477
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: a slightly different story this This article from seventy also

478
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: was a little I don't know if it's off, if

479
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: it's more accurate. We honestly can't tell right now because

480
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: it states that, first of all, the United States admitted

481
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: that this happened early on, and that they contacted Mexico

482
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: and the officials there in the government to get them

483
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: to assist. So, like they're saying, they're very upfront about it,

484
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: and they're also saying that the United States admitted immediately

485
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: that there were I believe it says minute quantities of

486
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: radioactive cobalt involved. But uh, but honestly, I you know,

487
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you just basing it on the other

488
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: sourcing that I found, because this is an outlier, I

489
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: would say for sure, Well, yeah, here's what happened. They

490
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: told the truth to uh, they told the truth to

491
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: the U. S public, you know, as reporters. They told

492
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: the truth to the Mexican government, but they didn't tell

493
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: the truth to the people who lived there. That's where

494
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,959
Speaker 1: I think they made a misstep. And unless somebody in

495
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: this area had a subscription to newspapers from Toledo, which

496
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: is not impossible, I don't know. That's just a hell

497
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: of arrived for the paper boy. But you're right, you're right,

498
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: there were there were what are called information as symmetries there.

499
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: In short, there's a quiet invasion that occurs. The US

500
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: government ends up building an airstrip near the missile's crash site,

501
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: and they set up a camp. They build a special

502
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: extension from this railroad to this sand dune. They dig

503
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: out the missile, they dig out the dune, and they

504
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: put everything into bags. They take all the soil they

505
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: think might be contaminated, and they loaded into the train

506
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: and onto these planes. They take it away, and then

507
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: they ghost, They ghost the town, and they take the

508
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: railroad with them. They leave the airstrip. Though, uh, and this,

509
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: this airstrip and this the remnants of this dune are

510
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:19,479
Speaker 1: the basis of what will become later known as the

511
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: Zone of Silence. So far, it's understandable if you're thinking, hey, guys,

512
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: you're telling us. You said you were going to talk

513
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: about the Zone of Silence, but you you've just spent

514
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: like twenty minutes telling us the ins and outs of

515
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: this weird missile crash where it sounds like there wasn't

516
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: anybody conspiring. That is that is mostly true. There wasn't

517
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: a huge cover up, or there wasn't something that lasted

518
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: very long. But there is another conspiracy. It is a

519
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: conspiracy directly related to the reputation of the Zone of Silence. Today,

520
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: Matt I say we take a break for word from

521
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: our sponsors and return to solve the mystery of the

522
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: Zone of Silence. We're actually going to solve this one, folks. Well, okay,

523
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: and a bit of a cliffhanger there. I hope everybody

524
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: had a good break. There is another conspiracy that began.

525
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,959
Speaker 1: This conspiracy is much more important than the events uh

526
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: leading to him following the missile crash. So far, we've

527
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: got a wayward missile, got some dangerous cobalt fifty seven,

528
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: got an expensive recovery operation that's partially conducted in secret.

529
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: But everything ends up, you know, hunky dory right at

530
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: the end. The US government, Mexican government, there's still you know,

531
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: vibing with each other overall, and the people of the

532
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 1: area are not mutating or you know, dying of crazy

533
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: rates of cancer. So it seems like, okay, this should

534
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: be happily ever after, right, Yeah, unless we go back

535
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 1: to him, Gonzalez, the captain that we mentioned earlier, because

536
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: there's a whole other story with regards to him. Yeah, yep,

537
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. So he is. So this guy has

538
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,479
Speaker 1: some hustle to him as well. He's what I would

539
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: define as a go getter. So he gets together with

540
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: two other local landowners in Gomez Palacio and they get

541
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: together with some of their friends and they say, Wow,

542
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 1: this is the most attention our part of Mexico has

543
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: ever received. You know, we're getting a lot of press now,

544
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 1: you guys, we're we're international, We're on the international sphere.

545
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: And as we said, there's not a lot of people

546
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: out here. There are a lot of people out here.

547
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: We don't get a lot of visitors. So you know, what,

548
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: what if we take this and run with it? This,

549
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: What if we see how far we can stretch this

550
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes of fame? Guys, why don't we build a

551
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: hotel l and then we'll start encouraging tourism. But we

552
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: need a hook, We need a compelling reason to visit

553
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: a place that most of Mexico and most of the

554
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: world is ordinarily content to ignore. Here's where the story diverges.

555
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: A couple of couple of different versions of what happens here,

556
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: but they're all kind of similar. Yes, some people believe

557
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: that it was him a himself that decided to embellish

558
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: of it, to play up this story and the importance

559
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: of the region, and you know, the locals role in

560
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: revealing not only this, you know, this missile and why

561
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: this missile got here, but why it ended up crashing here.

562
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: And you know, then all of these other things that

563
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: the sightings and other things that allegedly occurred inside this

564
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 1: zone or in this area. Yeah. Yeah, so he started

565
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: making his own hero myth is how how this kind

566
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: of goes that idea, And then there would be other

567
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: people who say, well, it was a group effort. The

568
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: landowners he had joined up with started embellishing the real

569
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: story of the missile, and then they started adding pseudo science,

570
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: they started mixing it with local folklore, and then they

571
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: started feeding the story out to regional media. This is

572
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:20,720
Speaker 1: a very common occurrence. After an unusual or extraordinary event,

573
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: that game of telephone begins and soon the details of

574
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: the original story over time get lost amid rumors of

575
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: stuff like aliens, ghosts, and so on. Matt, when we

576
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: were talking with your colleague Toby Ball about the the

577
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: bell Ufo incident. That's something he noted as well. This

578
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: is and and it's not necessarily something that is indicative

579
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: of somebody being a con artist. Memory is just a

580
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: treacherous endeavor. Well, and it's I mean, you can look

581
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: at it a lot different ways. If you think about

582
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: Roswell in New Mexico and and how it thrives and

583
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: is also chained to the tourism are caused by that crash.

584
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: And I think there's something similar going on there, even

585
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: to somewhere like Salem, Massachusetts, where an old thing occurred.

586
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: But then what gets played up or kind of the

587
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: larger myths around the actual historic events, and then that's

588
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: what the tourism is based on. And then that's how

589
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: much of the you know, the local population there survives

590
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: and thrives is through that tourism. I think this is

591
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: this is really common. Actually, yeah, I agree. So something

592
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: like that happened, whether purposeful or whether unintentional, But at

593
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: this point, my spice sense says that was purposeful, like

594
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: they knew this could be something big for the area,

595
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. Local newspapers and then later

596
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: the national media in Mexico picked up this bizarre story,

597
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: and it continues today. You'll still hear people talking about it.

598
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:58,439
Speaker 1: According to the founders of the Zone of Silence, there

599
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: are strange magnetic and omalies in the atmosphere that prevent

600
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: radio transmissions in specific points and also make the needles

601
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: on those compasses spin. And so they imply, you know,

602
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: this missile fell because of that. And I guess the

603
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: implication there would be that somehow planes were able to

604
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: fly over the area safely later because they had some

605
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: they have been I don't know, customized to be resistant

606
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: to that something of that effect that they don't really

607
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: go into that. They also say the magnetic waves are

608
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: so unique they create a vortex that draws in material

609
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 1: from the upper atmosphere and that's what sucked in the missile.

610
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: And you can you can read more about where this

611
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: vortex is supposed to occur at the confluence of these

612
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 1: three Mexican states and so on. But weight as Billy

613
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: Mays was wont to say, there's more folks, you can

614
00:39:56,239 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: imagine that as there's an influx of people who are

615
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: functioning as tourists. There therefore the curiosity of the area.

616
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:10,280
Speaker 1: Right everyone's gathering together maybe at watering holes, eateries, whatever,

617
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 1: wherever people gather probably a bar. Uh. They share stories, right,

618
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 1: and as stories are told, they get embellished a little bit,

619
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: a little you know, maybe maybe even another story is

620
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 1: somehow added to a different story. And then things just

621
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 1: grow and grow and grow. And you can imagine that

622
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,760
Speaker 1: through all this interaction is just human interaction. The legends

623
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: became more and more bizarre. Really, um, we're talking about

624
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: everything from cryptids to just weird, weird stuff going on

625
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: with the plants and animals in the area in general,

626
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: because probably because it's associated with radiation in some way,

627
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: because of this the Cobalt seven, there are rumors that

628
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: somehow plants and animals have mute did become very strange

629
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: versions of them, and they're larger. They're like the plants

630
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: and animals are larger. And then that may actually lead

631
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: into these rumors that there are larger than normal humanoids

632
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: that appear out there and then disappear for some reason.

633
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: And if you imagine it this way, and it's more

634
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: of telling stories in this game of telephone, you can

635
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: imagine how these these legends are generated and then expand. Yeah, exactly,

636
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: it only takes one person seeing one weird thing out

637
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: there in the field to give what would appear to

638
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: be said to these stories. You also see irregularities cited

639
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: about the appearance of specific animals, like one example is, uh,

640
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: the tortoise shells of tortoises in the area are trian

641
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: have triangular shapes on them, which is unusual, Or that

642
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: human individuals themselves have been touched by something in the

643
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: zone growing larger over time, which is a little bit

644
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: of an in Smith vibe, you know, for Lovecraft fans

645
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: out there just without fish people spoiler for love crafts.

646
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 1: More feet, yes, yes, feet as a night yes, or

647
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: more feet that would be interesting. That feels like a

648
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: very inconvenient mutation. Three per leg. That's just what we got. Now.

649
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: Have you ever have you ever been in a situation

650
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 1: where you're like, I wish I have more than just

651
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 1: these two feet, because I haven't. You know, actually, as

652
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: a drummer, oh, if I had two feet per leg

653
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: that could move independently, I can imagine some ridiculous bass

654
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: drum slash, you know, high hat action, you could do

655
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: crazy stuff. I bet I feel like that is a

656
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: great point and I have learned a lot about you,

657
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: even all these years later, I'm gonna I might. I'm

658
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: gonna try not to exaggerate this the way people might

659
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: have exact Drede the Zone of Silence. But if I'm not,

660
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 1: my peas and queues, I could easily see me years

661
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: from now telling one of our coworkers like, yeah, dude,

662
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: Matt's number one dream is to have more feet And

663
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,240
Speaker 1: I don't know why he said. It's on record. Hey

664
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,439
Speaker 1: are you are you a surgeon out there getting into

665
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: experimental stuff right to us? Oh boy, so our normal

666
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: feet aside, I think between the three of us recording today,

667
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:33,919
Speaker 1: we're a total of six feet wise. That aside, there

668
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: were other descriptions that hinged primarily on rocks and minerals

669
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: in the area, and that's really what people seem to

670
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: be drawn to the tourists, especially because this there is

671
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 1: this purported vortex and meteorites over the course of history

672
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: have hit this area. You can find strange rocks in

673
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 1: the desert, but people say some of these rocks vanish,

674
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: and so these tourists, who were known as Zone Arrows

675
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: z O n E r o S, they come every

676
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: year specifically to look for some of those marine fossils. Uh,

677
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: some artifacts whatever they can find, or any curious looking

678
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: rock and they take them with them. There's also there

679
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: are also rock shops in the region that sell g

680
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: odes and this other kind of stuff for people who

681
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 1: don't want to find them on their own. But how

682
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 1: how do these claims hold up? The answer is not

683
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: very well. It's very easy to test whether or not

684
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: a radio works in an area. Yeah, you can turn

685
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 1: them on, right, Yes, this guy knows. This guy knows

686
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: the process alright, a couple of times, but you know,

687
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: and use different ones from different decades, because again, this

688
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: has been since the seventies. You don't even know what

689
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: to say about it. The radio communication, the weird stuff

690
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: going on in the upper atmosphere, that's a little harder

691
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: for a a person to test. But I haven't seen

692
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: any reporting where flights are restricted over this airspace. I

693
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 1: you know, again, when you search for a negative, it's

694
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: very difficult. But yeah, I have to admit I haven't

695
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 1: looked at flight paths over this area, right. Yeah, but

696
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: we know that of the multiple people who have gone

697
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: there to investigate these kind of claims, they've almost all

698
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: reported their radio communication works just fought. And when you

699
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: get to the rumors of these mysterious larger people. There

700
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: is a possible explanation. It's kind of a mundane explanation.

701
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: It's a little humorous. For a long time, there was

702
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: this one guy who worked at the field station of

703
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 1: the reserve near you know, the silence zone, and he

704
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: was a bigger dude. He was a big guy, and

705
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 1: for most of the zone arrows he was the only

706
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: native they would see when they visited the site, and

707
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: they would say, oh, wow, all these people are giants.

708
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 1: But there are other people. It's rural, but there are

709
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: other people in the area, and they're of average height

710
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 1: for the region. And if you got this guy's you know,

711
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 1: family members to stand next to him, you would see

712
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: that he's pretty tall for his family too. So we're

713
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:24,240
Speaker 1: taking one person and we're making making an assumption. You know. Also,

714
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: what about the tortoises, Well, in the Bolson tortoise populations,

715
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: those triangles are a normal pattern variant, so they that

716
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: they are real. They do exist. They do have those

717
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: triangular shapes on their shells, but they had those way before,

718
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: and and then the other thing. Additionally, over time, the

719
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: actual location of the zones seemed to move seemed to migrate.

720
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: Originally was the site of that missile crash, then it

721
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: moved north as kind of following other people's reports or

722
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 1: stories from a friend of a friend of a friend,

723
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 1: reports of electronic malfunctions. But be that as it may,

724
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: it is still very popular with tourists and fans of

725
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 1: the paranormal. People visit this place from all over, sometimes loans,

726
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 1: sometimes they pay local guides, or sometimes it's an excursion

727
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: from his school. The tourism is not limited to people

728
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: from Mexico. You'll also see people from the US, Germany, Uruguay, Chile, Italy, France, etcetera, etcetera.

729
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: It's popular, and I'm going to argue, I think that's

730
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: what Gonzalez was going for. If you ask most of

731
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: the locals today, they don't think there's much to the desert.

732
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 1: I found a few reports of possible strange lights, but

733
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: even the locals seemed kind of unimpressed with them. Uh.

734
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: The people who live in the area will say, you know,

735
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: we don't see a lot of strange things out in

736
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,760
Speaker 1: the desert, but we do see a lot of strange people.

737
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: Just to be clear, they're referring to the tourists, but

738
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: they're down with the tourists because tourists bring income to

739
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 1: this region, and so if you look at it from

740
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: their perspective, you don't really have to believe that you

741
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: live in a a land based version of the Bermuda Triangle.

742
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 1: If you have a rock store and people are buying

743
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: rocks and let them believe what they want, they're still

744
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 1: using real money. And so the story of the Zone

745
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: of Silence continues on today. It is there is a

746
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: conspiracy of foot. We can argue where there was a

747
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: conspiracy of foot, but it was a conspiracy to bring

748
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 1: tourism to a place that could definitely use extra income,

749
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: which I Matt, I don't see anything wrong with it,

750
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: do you know? I really don't see anything wrong with it.

751
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: Spinning tales and profiting off of those tales is I mean,

752
00:48:55,040 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: there's an entire industry based on it. It's called entertainment, right,

753
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: the entertainment industrial complex. The no, Yeah, that's pretty good,

754
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 1: the entertainment complex. But but they're doing it to directly

755
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: benefit their town exactly, and they're not hurting anyone precisely.

756
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: And I mean, if you go to the Atlas Obscura

757
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: website on this location, it's what is it called exploring

758
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: Mexico Zone of silence where radio signals fail and meteorites crash.

759
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: You can actually look at some of this area, the

760
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: the actual Zone of Silence camp. It's the Pelosios ranch

761
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: that I believe we've mentioned in here earlier. You can

762
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 1: see the road signs out there pointing to the Zona

763
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: Dells Silentio. I mean, it's really interesting stuff and it

764
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: looks nice. It looks like a fun place to visit.

765
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: If they're able to get some tourism dollars to this

766
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: rural part of Mexico, then why the heck not. And

767
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:05,240
Speaker 1: imagine even if there's nothing going on there, think about

768
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: what looking up at the night sky would be like

769
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: out there in this area. Incredible As a very good point. Yeah,

770
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: one other thing I want to add in here, Ben,

771
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: I think you read this article to our old pals

772
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 1: over at How Stuff Works. Have an article, and it

773
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: is interesting. It is pretty scathing of the tourism that

774
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: has occurred over there. It's uh, it's kind of it's

775
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: the article is kind of angry about it. Um basically

776
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: saying that we need that tourism is kind of ruining

777
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,720
Speaker 1: some of the research that is being done in this area.

778
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: And it's an interesting point because if you search on

779
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:51,399
Speaker 1: Google Maps for specifically the Zona del Sillencio, you can

780
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: see that there's a research station essentially right there on

781
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 1: the map, next to where the zone of silence shows up.

782
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm interested to know how much the tourism

783
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: is actually affecting whatever you know research is being done

784
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: in this area, because I didn't I didn't see a

785
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 1: lot of writing about that except for on the House

786
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,479
Speaker 1: Stuff Works website, um and in a couple of things

787
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: they cited. That's a really good point because we do

788
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: need to mention one of the big concerns, especially for

789
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: people who opposed to this, is the potential for damage

790
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:31,959
Speaker 1: to the environment. And this this is where we leave

791
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: the story today. But when we were working on this,

792
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 1: we we started thinking in terms of what else this

793
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: could lead us to. And so we'd like to hear

794
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: your opinion. First. Is it wrong to spin a tale

795
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 1: like Matt saying uh an entertaining tale to get some

796
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: tourist dollars? Obviously, we don't think so they're not hurting anybody.

797
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: The cobalt is long gone, so people aren't being exposed

798
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: to radiation. But then also let us know what genuinely

799
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: weird places are in your neck of the Global woods.

800
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:15,760
Speaker 1: I'll you'd be surprised how common regionally strange places are,

801
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: everything from haunted houses to places that are seen as

802
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: visitation sites for UFOs, or places where things just disappear.

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00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,440
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